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My Schaden…It Is Freuded*

by Tom Levenson|  December 1, 202211:52 pm| 102 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Stupidity

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This made me smile in every corner of my shriveled, vicious heart:

An Arizona-based federal judge has ordered sanctions against the legal team assembled by gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake (R) and another plaintiff in a failed lawsuit against winning opponent Katie Hobbs (D) and other defendants from two Arizona county government boards.

The attorneys being sanctioned are not directly named in Thursday’s order, but according to the court docket, Harvard Law School Prof. Alan Dershowitz is Lake’s lead attorney in the matter. Also on her legal team are co-lead attorneys Andrew D. Parker, Jesse Hersch Kibort, and Joseph Alan Pull of Minneapolis. Further listed as a member of her legal team is attorney Kurt B. Olsen of Washington, D.C.

My Schaden…It Is Freuded*

It is my fervent wish that the martyr of Martha’s Vineyard lose his license over this. He won’t, I know, and probably shouldn’t (he didn’t make off with client funds, after all), but a boy can dream.

Oh, and yeah: #ETTD.

Yet more open thread, especially for those jackals, among whom I proudly count myself, who revel in the confusion of our enemies.

*With apologies to every lover of the beautiful language of Heine and Goethe.

Image: William Hogarth, Hudibras and the Lawyer, 1726.

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  1. 1.

    Calouste

    December 2, 2022 at 12:00 am

    Apparently Nazye is no longer buying Parler. You wonder if he would be even too toxic for them (narrator: publicly maybe, privately certainly not), or that he made a commitment to the shitgibbon the other day to invest in Pravda Social instead.

  2. 2.

    ian

    December 2, 2022 at 12:05 am

    This does make me laugh. The Derp is strong in that one.

    A good link for anyone who wants another laugh – Chotiner does another New Yorker interview, this time on Morton Klein, the head of Zionists of America who hosted Trump in Las Vegas a few weeks back

    Edit- Zionist Organization of America, not Zionists of America

  3. 3.

    bbleh

    December 2, 2022 at 12:10 am

    Indeed things have not been going very well for Team MAGA in the courts recently.

    Or in elections.

    Oh, or in the internal proceedings of the Republican Party.

    I await with bated breath the flood of speculative MSM “news” — headlines with question-marks, “analyses” that are no more than opinion pieces, pre-written narratives sprinkled with cherry-picked factoids — that will hammer home the Republicans-On-The-Ropes message.  I’m sure it’s coming any day now … any day …

  4. 4.

    Anne Laurie

    December 2, 2022 at 12:10 am

    @Calouste: Apparently Nazye is no longer buying Parler.

    My suspicion is that the people who now own Parler don’t want the scrutiny — not least from the conservatorship which is liable to be in charge of Ye’s affairs soon — regarding how and who backed Parler’s establishment in the first place.

    Also, by the time such a sale could be accomplished, there’s a fair chance Ye won’t have the money to buy Parler, at its own valuation.

  5. 5.

    Jinchi

    December 2, 2022 at 12:22 am

    Jesus, has Dershowitz ever taken a client who wasn’t a complete a**hole. They’re like a magnet for the guy.

  6. 6.

    Princess

    December 2, 2022 at 12:32 am

    Well, in the sense that Lake (or someone) paid him to give legal advice he knew was trash, he made off with clients’ funds.

  7. 7.

    Burnspbesq

    December 2, 2022 at 12:41 am

    ICYMI, the Eleventh Circuit has vacated the district court order appointing a special master to review the docs taken from Mar-a-Lago pursuant to the search warrant, and remanded the entire unholy mess with instructions to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction. The opinion, by a panel including two Trump appointees, is simple, clear, and brutal.

    Link to opinion:

    https://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/202213005.pdf

  8. 8.

    JoyceH

    December 2, 2022 at 12:50 am

    Oh, and yeah: #ETTD.

    Seriously. It’s as if the guy is some insidious poison or contagion. Everyone who comes into his orbit is poisoned or infected; nothing for them and about them is ever the same.

  9. 9.

    JoyceH

    December 2, 2022 at 1:07 am

    Meanwhile, “Ye” has been permanently suspended on Twitter! So someone is still manning the controls.

  10. 10.

    Amir Khalid

    December 2, 2022 at 1:11 am

    Oh no. Not you too, Tom Levenson. That happens to be a favourite among the many peeves that I keep as pets. Look, Schade means misfortune, and Freude means joy. So if you want to do that, you say that someone’s Schade brings you Freude.

    /pedant.

    ETA: All us jackals have shrivelled, vicious hearts when it comes to the confusion of Republicans.

  11. 11.

    Chetan Murthy

    December 2, 2022 at 1:12 am

    Since it’s an open thread …. my god, the things that Kanye and Lone Skum and their feculent sycophants are getting up to …. holy moley.  My flabber is gasted.

  12. 12.

    frosty

    December 2, 2022 at 1:14 am

    @Burnspbesq: I am most definitely not a lawyer, I’m an engineer/planner and this may be the first court ruling I’ve ever read. Even I can see the smackdown. Wow! I have to agree with the OP, my schaden is freuded as well!

    ETA Oops, Amir, I stand corrected. Plaintiff’s Schade brings me Freude.

  13. 13.

    Calouste

    December 2, 2022 at 1:18 am

    @JoyceH: Someone who will no longer be employed at Twitter once Lone Skum wakes up from his stupor we assume.

  14. 14.

    Emma from Miami

    December 2, 2022 at 1:21 am

    @Burnspbesq: ​That was a work of art. My heart sings.

  15. 15.

    piratedan

    December 2, 2022 at 1:24 am

    with the wheels of the justice system grinding at last after dealing with the pawns and fodder that were sent to storm the Capital, I hope that the J6 Committee can issue findings that result in the indictment of the RW Conspiracy that appears to very much have existed.

    Here’s to hoping that the evidence obtained exposes the likes of certain members of Congress, certain media entities and talking heads, certain elements of the 45 Administration that assisted, if not colluded in the process and even certain members of the SCOTUS and their immediate families.

    Here’s hoping that Garland has the stones and faith in his own staff and the system itself to follow thru.

     

    Would be kind of fun to watch McCarthy reach for the Speaker’s seat only to be indicted for Conspiracy against the US government and removed from office.

  16. 16.

    James E Powell

    December 2, 2022 at 1:25 am

    Sad part is that Judge Aileen Cannon, age 41, will be a federal judge for life.

  17. 17.

    prostratedragon

    December 2, 2022 at 1:26 am

    The title of this piece is not “My Schaden Is Freuded,” but it sure scans.

  18. 18.

    JWR

    December 2, 2022 at 1:31 am

    @JoyceH: Was just gonna comment about that. Local CBS TV News just said the suspension occurred about an hour ago. Hmm, I wonder if Elmo’s Racism Gene has kicked itself back into gear?

    ETA, I know, has it ever been out of gear is the real question.

  19. 19.

    Chetan Murthy

    December 2, 2022 at 1:34 am

    @JWR: I suspect it was some vestigial Self Preservation Gene.  I mean, Kanye literally endorsed Hitler today.

  20. 20.

    JWR

    December 2, 2022 at 1:38 am

    @Chetan Murthy: As someone alluded to on an earlier thread, it looks like someone’s long over due for an intervention.

  21. 21.

    frosty

    December 2, 2022 at 1:42 am

    @piratedan: Here’s to hoping that the evidence obtained exposes the likes of certain members of Congress …

    Please please please let one of them be Scott Perry who was my rep (ptui) until we got redistricted for a useless R from Lancaster County. I canvassed against Perry to no avail, of course.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    December 2, 2022 at 1:46 am

    AD is really not going to get invited to Nantucket parties now.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    December 2, 2022 at 1:47 am

    @JWR:

    We’ll see if it sticks when Elon wakes up in the morning.

  24. 24.

    Jackie

    December 2, 2022 at 1:49 am

    This is horrible, but not completely surprising:

    “A protester who celebrated Iran’s defeat in the World Cup this week was killed by Iranian security forces, according to a human rights organization.

    Iran Human Rights said Mehran Samak, 27, was shot in the head on Tuesday night in the Iranian city Bandar Anzali as he was celebrating his country’s loss against the U.S. soccer team in Qatar earlier that day.”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/3757940-rights-group-protester-celebrating-world-cup-defeat-killed-by-iranian-security-forces/

  25. 25.

    TriassicSands

    December 2, 2022 at 1:52 am

    *With apologies to every lover of the beautiful language of Heine and Goethe.

    Well, I would hope so. I was deeply saddened to see that beautiful word used and abused with such disrespect. But, your apology is accepted.

    See #10 Amid for more correct, but still unnecessary usage. I’d recommend saying “Meine schadenfreude ist unendlich.” Which is how I will feel if TFG is ever convicted and does time in the slammer.

    To get an idea of the beauty of the word schadenfreude, compare it to the rough English equivalent — “epicaricacy.” Yuck!

  26. 26.

    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)

    December 2, 2022 at 1:52 am

    @JoyceH:

    Meanwhile, “Ye” has been permanently suspended on Twitter! So someone is still manning the controls.

    Nah, all it means is that Musk is pissed at Ye-gods for saying the quiet part out loud.

  27. 27.

    Baud

    December 2, 2022 at 2:00 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    The correct statement is my gast is flabbered.

  28. 28.

    Baud

    December 2, 2022 at 2:00 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    The correct statement is my gast is flabbered.

  29. 29.

    Baud

    December 2, 2022 at 2:01 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    The correct statement is my gast is flabbered.

  30. 30.

    JWR

    December 2, 2022 at 2:01 am

    Ooo, somebody’s feelin’ his moderator oats! /s

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    FAFO
    9:23 PM · Dec 1, 2022

    And I’m sure Kanye’s feeling quite remorseful right about now.

    @Baud: Yep.

  31. 31.

    scav

    December 2, 2022 at 2:08 am

    @JWR: Remorse at getting extra victim juice to fuel a run of Truth Social posts about his macho a macho standing up to that woke liberal enforcer Elon Musk?  Yeah, that’s it.

     

    GSD things are getting confusing.  And I don’t think I missed an episode.

     

    ETA: @Baud: My gast is so exercised it is no longer flabby.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    December 2, 2022 at 2:08 am

    I for one think it’s great hat Kanye is trying to make fascism uncool for white people by associating it with a black spokesman.

  33. 33.

    Brachiator

    December 2, 2022 at 2:35 am

    The attorneys being sanctioned are not directly named in Thursday’s order, but according to the court docket, Harvard Law School Prof. Alan Dershowitz is Lake’s lead attorney in the matter. Also on her legal team are co-lead attorneys Andrew D. Parker, Jesse Hersch Kibort, and Joseph Alan Pull of Minneapolis. Further listed as a member of her legal team is attorney Kurt B. Olsen of Washington, D.C.

    I don’t understand how these people became right wing cranks who believe foolish conspiracy theories. Even if they don’t believe, you would think they would understand that their clients didn’t have a case worth pursuing. Is stupid legal advice close to malpractice?

  34. 34.

    Tehanu

    December 2, 2022 at 2:37 am

    @Chetan Murthy: ​
    Since it’s an open thread …. my god, the things that Kanye and Lone Skum and their feculent sycophants are getting up to …. holy moley. My flabber is gasted.

    Yeah, I’ve noticed that too, how can anyone avoid it? And Lone Skum’s tweets vary from puerile middle-school taunts and talkback to out-and-out Nazi.

  35. 35.

    Martin

    December 2, 2022 at 2:53 am

    @Calouste: Guessing without his sneaker deal, he can’t afford it.

  36. 36.

    Martin

    December 2, 2022 at 2:55 am

    @scav: Gotta love that Twitter’s new moderation policy is just whatever strikes Musks fancy, updated hourly.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    December 2, 2022 at 2:56 am

    @Martin:

    Le terms of service, c’est moi.

  38. 38.

    scav

    December 2, 2022 at 3:06 am

    @Baud: Auprès moi, la débâcle.

  39. 39.

    NotMax

    December 2, 2022 at 3:08 am

    @Baud

    Oughtn’t that be “Le twit, c’est moi?

    //

  40. 40.

    Chetan Murthy

    December 2, 2022 at 3:32 am

    @scav: “Aupres” … oh, how droll!

  41. 41.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    December 2, 2022 at 3:34 am

    I’m pleased to announce that 4 of my photos appear on Nightscape Images review of Astro-landscape photos.

  42. 42.

    David 🦃The Establishment🥧 Koch

    December 2, 2022 at 4:14 am

    @JoyceH: ​
      I know reports are focusing on the swastika post but really got banned for fat shamin Musk (link)

    Oddly, the fat guy is thin skinned.

  43. 43.

    David 🦃The Establishment🥧 Koch

    December 2, 2022 at 4:49 am

    reading about Thursday’s State Dinner at the WH for France

    It’s cute seeing french bred Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Stephen Colbert attend, but of note is repulicans were attending (McCarthy, McCaul, Scalise, Thune) which they never did when a black guy was holding these events. It was so bad none of them accepted an invitation to attend a WH premiere of the 2012 film Lincoln which was about… [checks notes]… a republican.​

  44. 44.

    Freemark

    December 2, 2022 at 5:00 am

    @frosty: Perry is still my Rep. Do you have Smucker? I really miss Todd Platts. But he was too decent a guy to make it through the Republican primaries anymore so he ‘retired’ and became a judge.

  45. 45.

    There go two miscreants

    December 2, 2022 at 5:28 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Nice! I especially like the one with the windmill.

  46. 46.

    p.a.

    December 2, 2022 at 5:44 am

    While it has been clear since  nomination day that Cannon is a FedSoc hack, she exposes herself as an idiot with an obviously crackpot decision that goes against the driving current of upper-crust  ‘conservatism’ to non-person tRump as fast as possible to protect the brand.  And this from someone insulated from tRump & co. with a lifetime position!

    Maybe a true believer??!!😱

  47. 47.

    JPL

    December 2, 2022 at 5:44 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: That is so cool!

  48. 48.

    JPL

    December 2, 2022 at 5:47 am

    let the guessing game begin.

    from Heather Cox Richardson’s newsletter

    Republican representative Ralph Norman (R-SC), who opposes electing McCarthy speaker, told right-wing media that those opposing McCarthy have a different candidate for the position. That candidate is not a House member, and Norman said: “It will be apparent in the coming weeks who that person will be. I will tell you, it will be interesting.”

  49. 49.

    UncleEbeneezer

    December 2, 2022 at 5:49 am

    @piratedan: “At last” suggests that the wheels of justice are only now starting to grind.  But they’ve been grinding all along.  Much of this stuff was set in motion in Spring of 2021, shortly after Garland/Monaco took over, it just takes time to get to this part of the process.

  50. 50.

    David 🦃The Establishment🥧 Koch

    December 2, 2022 at 5:49 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: ​
      Congratulations. I love your Australian accent.

  51. 51.

    Baud

    December 2, 2022 at 5:53 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    👍

  52. 52.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    December 2, 2022 at 5:54 am

    Saw a headline at LGM saying “bye, bye, Dearie”, which seemed to me a bit unfair to Judge Dearie. I got the impression he acted with integrity and good faith while fulfilling the demands of a position that should have never been created in the first place. I wonder what happens now with the work he’s already done on the documents.

  53. 53.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    December 2, 2022 at 5:56 am

    @JPL: Is this the cack-brained scheme to put in TFG as Speaker, then impeach Biden and Harris so that he becomes acting President? Wouldn’t put it past them to try.

  54. 54.

    David 🦃The Establishment🥧 Koch

    December 2, 2022 at 5:57 am

    @JPL: ​
      he’ll let us know in …. two weeks

    🤣

  55. 55.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    December 2, 2022 at 6:02 am

    @There go two miscreants: That was previously featured in an OTR post earlier this year.

    @David 🦃The Establishment🥧 Koch: Heh, that’s Richard, my photo guru.

    @JPL:

    @Baud: Thanks.

  56. 56.

    Barbara

    December 2, 2022 at 6:21 am

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: ​Dearie is likely the least surprised person on the planet at this ruling. He had already canceled the next hearing before the ruling came out. His work is now summed up as ‘never mind.”

  57. 57.

    kalakal

    December 2, 2022 at 6:29 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Cool! I really like those

  58. 58.

    Central Planning

    December 2, 2022 at 6:31 am

    @David 🦃The Establishment🥧 Koch: Maybe THAT’S when that person will deliver the best infrastructure plan, healthcare plan, and others we have been waiting for.

  59. 59.

    LiminalOwl

    December 2, 2022 at 6:36 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Wow, gorgeous.  I remember seeing at last one before, but they still amaze me. And that “Nightscape Images” is something I’ll save to recommend to clients; I looked at your photos and felt tension draining out of my body. Thank you.

  60. 60.

    Geminid

    December 2, 2022 at 6:38 am

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: I don’t think Trump could get the votes of 218 Republican Reps. He’s too toxic, lazy and fickle.

    The prospect of an outsider is intriguing, and I’m curious as to who Norman is talking about. But if I had to bet money even up, I’d put it on the proposition of someone from within the caucus. If McCarthy can’t get the votes, Scalise probably can.

    There is also the possibility that Don Bacon (R-NE) suggested- a more moderate Republican elected with support from Democratic members. But that’s only a theoretical possibility. The Democratic caucus looks very cohesive, and it’s not in their interests to take temporary advantage of Republican disarray. January, 2025 is not that far away, and this Republican majority is a dead duck walking, I think.

  61. 61.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    December 2, 2022 at 6:50 am

    Watching Mornin Joe and one the biggest idiots from FTFNYT is shocked to discover Emmanuel Macron can speak english

    the stoopid,  it burns

    🤕

  62. 62.

    pluky

    December 2, 2022 at 7:02 am

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:  For crying out loud, he’s an ENArch! I’d bet he has at least two modern European languages in addition to French at his command.

    One of my HS friend’s mother was a Dutch national who went to Hotel School. She had to have basic command of FOUR languages to graduate.

  63. 63.

    oatler

    December 2, 2022 at 7:14 am

    He was in Logick a great Critick,
    Profoundly skill’d in Analytick.
    He could distinguish, and divide
    A hair ’twixt South and South-west side

  64. 64.

    Barbara

    December 2, 2022 at 7:18 am

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: They just now learned this utterly obvious and predictable fact? Hint: the guy is young and well-educated.

  65. 65.

    cmorenc

    December 2, 2022 at 7:28 am

    Dershowitz, in working for Lake, probably imagines himself as like Samuel Adams defending British soldiers in court who were accused of massacring civilians in 1770, instead of helping a delusional authoritarian insurrectionist overturn a fair election.

  66. 66.

    Geminid

    December 2, 2022 at 7:29 am

    @cmorenc: Dershowitz is more like Sham Adams.

  67. 67.

    cmorenc

    December 2, 2022 at 7:29 am

    @Geminid: Yes, exactly my point.

  68. 68.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    December 2, 2022 at 7:29 am

    @Geminid: So not the My Pillow guy?

  69. 69.

    BretH

    December 2, 2022 at 7:36 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Subscribed, great photos and excited to learn more!

  70. 70.

    Geminid

    December 2, 2022 at 7:38 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Yes, Lindell could be a sleeper candidate.

  71. 71.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    December 2, 2022 at 7:42 am

    @LiminalOwl: Richard of Nightscape images is a good fellow, even though his Milky Way is backwards, he drives on the wrong side of the road and talks funny.  The interesting thing about the shots he showed is that mine had a shot from Joshua Tree(the windmill) and a shot from the Trona Pinnacles, there were two other photographers each with shots from JT(a couple with an old rusty truck, that is about 100 yards from the windmill) and a pano at Trona.

    @kalakal: Thanks.

  72. 72.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    December 2, 2022 at 7:45 am

    @BretH: I’ve learned a great deal from Richard.

  73. 73.

    JPL

    December 2, 2022 at 7:55 am

    @Geminid: Assuming Herschel loses, he’d be available.   Press conferences would be amazing.  Herschel would only be available if Lindsay is by his side.

  74. 74.

    azlib

    December 2, 2022 at 8:05 am

    ‘The race was about Kari, and that was fine with us’: Hobbs team details victorious strategy

    “We had a strategy … and it was never reactive to Kari (Lake),” said Nicole DeMont, Katie Hobbs’ campaign manager.

    Check out this story on azcentral.com: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/11/23/kari-lakes-loss-the-strategy-behind-katie-hobbs-victory-arizona/10714965002/

  75. 75.

    Geminid

    December 2, 2022 at 8:06 am

    @JPL: Whoever Republicans pick, he could well be their last Speaker this decade. I look for them to drop 20 seats at least in 2024.

  76. 76.

    Ken

    December 2, 2022 at 8:12 am

    @Anne Laurie: the conservatorship which is liable to be in charge of Ye’s affairs soon

    Wouldn’t it be delightful if one of the side effects of Ye’s dinner is Trump’s offspring calling their lawyers and saying “Tell me more about conservatorship.”

  77. 77.

    Nora

    December 2, 2022 at 8:14 am

    @cmorenc: Not to be pedantic, but that was JOHN Adams who defended the British soldiers.  He was a lawyer, and I don’t believe his cousin, Samuel, was.

  78. 78.

    James E Powell

    December 2, 2022 at 8:17 am

    @Barbara:

    Certainly he will submit a bill for his services. After all, we are not communists.

  79. 79.

    Ken

    December 2, 2022 at 8:17 am

    @JPL: I have seen speculation it’ll be a previous Republican speaker like Boehner, Ryan, or Gingrich. Not Hastert, for obvious reasons.

  80. 80.

    Geminid

    December 2, 2022 at 8:18 am

    @Nora: Sam Adams probably organized the mob the soldiers shot at.

  81. 81.

    James E Powell

    December 2, 2022 at 8:22 am

    @Nora:

    Sam, also known as the fun Adams, was among other things a brewer.

  82. 82.

    James E Powell

    December 2, 2022 at 8:24 am

    @Ken:

    Isn’t that guy from the MAGA wing? They’re not going to go for any of those people.

  83. 83.

    JPL

    December 2, 2022 at 8:24 am

    @Ken: It would give Gingrich another chance to hook up with another aide.   Gingrich would be okay for the maggots.

  84. 84.

    davecb

    December 2, 2022 at 8:24 am

    @Brachiator: The legal advice some gave the plaintiffs might have been “it won’t fly, and I resign” (;-)) Because it’s privileged, we won’t know unless they say something in their defense.
    One might hope for screams of “not me, your honor!”​​​

  85. 85.

    Geminid

    December 2, 2022 at 8:26 am

    @Ken: I think Paul Ryan would steer clear of this cranky caucus. He stepped away in 2018 to avoid the coming train wreck, and it is still not over.

    I never thought Ryan retired from politics permanently, but he’s better off staying out of Republican politics until the  2028 cycle.

  86. 86.

    MisterDancer

    December 2, 2022 at 8:30 am

    @JPL:  Gingrich would be okay for the maggots.

    Agreed. He basically made much of this whole shitstorm possible by breaking norms left and right in the House. He still gets media to this day.

    He would, in fact, be something of a headache for us, er they voted his slimy ass in.

  87. 87.

    Geminid

    December 2, 2022 at 8:52 am

    @MisterDancer: Someone as nasty and unlikable as Gingrich would be a good figurehead for the Republicans in terms of Democratic interests, I think.

  88. 88.

    evodevo

    December 2, 2022 at 9:08 am

    @David 🦃The Establishment🥧 Koch: Ewwww!! and pasty white, too…

  89. 89.

    evodevo

    December 2, 2022 at 9:11 am

    @JPL: Aren’t they gonna need some Dem votes to elect a Speaker?  Or was I misinformed?

  90. 90.

    Ken

    December 2, 2022 at 9:23 am

    @evodevo: The Republicans don’t need any Democratic votes to elect a Speaker, provided they all pull together and agree on one candidate, placing the good of their party above personal ambitions, petty rivalry, lack of impulse control, and psychiatric disorders.

    So yes, the Republicans will need some Democratic votes to elect anyone other than McCarthy, and possibly even to elect him.

  91. 91.

    catclub

    December 2, 2022 at 9:56 am

    @Burnspbesq: ​
     wow!

  92. 92.

    Geminid

    December 2, 2022 at 9:58 am

    @Ken: No reason for Democrats to help Republicans out in this instance. They’ll come up with someone eventually, hopefully after a period of discreditable backbiting and backstabbing.

  93. 93.

    Kristine

    December 2, 2022 at 10:04 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: They’re all lovely, but #4 is riveting. It looks like it could’ve been taken on another planet.

    Deserts always seem otherworldly to me.

  94. 94.

    Chief Oshkosh

    December 2, 2022 at 10:23 am

    @Burnspbesq:

    The opinion, by a panel including two Trump appointees, is simple, clear, and brutal.

    It is also delightful and delectable. :)

  95. 95.

    Uncle Cosmo

    December 2, 2022 at 10:25 am

    @pluky: “One of my HS friend’s mother was a Dutch national who … had to have basic command of FOUR languages to graduate.”

    My HS math teacher – who became, in no particular order, my intellectual father-figure, Dutch uncle, worthy chess opponent, best of friends and partner in thoughtcrime** – graduated HS in Rotterdam fluent in English, French and German and picked up Danish and Swedish before emigrating here. Added to the koine Greek and Hebrew in the seminary he attended. (He was in fact an ordained minister teaching geometry and trig to support his family while waiting for a congregation before he decided he liked math and statistics more than religion.)

    ** And (just FTR) whose presence on this planet (like my parents’) I’ve missed just about every day of the last 22 years… :^(

  96. 96.

    Ken

    December 2, 2022 at 10:34 am

    @Geminid: I agree, though if we get a couple months into the process and the Republicans still can’t agree on a speaker, I can readily imagine people will start to insist Democrats need to vote for one of the candidates that’s not acceptable to all the Republicans. Because only Democrats have agency.

    Though if that happens, I still think the Democrats should choose the members that will cause the most trouble for the speaker-elect and Republican unity:  “I, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, am pleased to cast this vote for Kevin McCarthy as Speaker.”

  97. 97.

    Uncle Cosmo

    December 2, 2022 at 10:38 am

    @James E Powell: Sam, also known as the fun Adams, was among other things a Brewer.

    Milwaukee wouldn’t even be founded until 43 years after his death – and the team, 124 years after that. Wonder what position he played… ;^p

  98. 98.

    Uncle Cosmo

    December 2, 2022 at 10:42 am

    @JPL: This makes perfect sense, since ‘sNewt is a stupid person’s idea of what a smart person is like – and there are so many stupid people in the House GQP caucus…​

  99. 99.

    Geminid

    December 2, 2022 at 10:42 am

    @Ken: Republicans will more likely elect a Speaker the first day or soon after. If McCarthy can’t get the votes, I expect Scalise will.

  100. 100.

    opiejeanne

    December 2, 2022 at 11:34 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I had not seen the one with the lake before, and it just blew me away. You have a real talent not just for capturing beauty, but for noticing it. Thank you for sharing.

  101. 101.

    VOR

    December 2, 2022 at 3:27 pm

    FFS, of course Macron speaks English. I know I’ve seen video of him speaking in English previously. That should not be news.

  102. 102.

    Dadadadadadada

    December 2, 2022 at 5:52 pm

    @ian: Screw Zionists of America. Splitters.

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