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Thursday Morning Open Thread: Let’s Go, President Brandon!

by Anne Laurie|  May 11, 20237:51 am| 159 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Elections, Open Threads, President Biden, Proud to Be A Democrat

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We have a few new folks joining the team to help get our message out across the country. You’ll be hearing a lot more from them soon — let’s finish the job! pic.twitter.com/XXmIDsKkFv

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) May 10, 2023

You could hear that reporter slowly dying. https://t.co/bEgXFkgWgv

— Argella Stone (@argellastone) May 10, 2023

There were not fine people on both sides of Charlottesville.

The January 6th rioters were not good people.

End of story. pic.twitter.com/1Jc9yQwTvh

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) May 11, 2023

Solid sales pitch. https://t.co/i8nMZXzeFI

— Jean-Michel Connard ?? (@torriangray) May 11, 2023

This could mean many things. He could punish states that impede people from voting. He could ban insurrectionists from public office. Or he could refuse to obey the debt ceiling. (Of course it’s the third, but so many interesting other possibilities). https://t.co/y0xEoA4ySO

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) May 9, 2023

Joe Biden has been a great President. With his leadership, Democrats delivered jobs, covid relief and investments for the future — and we're just getting started.

I’m proud to chair the #BidenHarris2024 National Advisory Board. Let's win this election — For The Children! -NP pic.twitter.com/2uejTWqWiE

— Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) May 10, 2023

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    1. 1.

      NotMax

      May 11, 2023 at 7:54 am

      TCM alert (all times Eastern). Thursday, May 11:
      3:15 p.m. – Five Million Years to Earth (a.k.a. Quatermass and the Pit). Intelligent limited budget SF.

      A long time genre favorite among modest productions, perfectly timed for this codger’s birthday.

      (waves at fellow celebrant cain)

      Reply
    2. 2.

      rikyrah

      May 11, 2023 at 7:56 am

      Good Morning Everyone 😊😊😊

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Baud

      May 11, 2023 at 7:56 am

      Biden’s pretty sharp for an old guy.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Baud

      May 11, 2023 at 7:56 am

      @rikyrah:

      Good morning.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 11, 2023 at 7:58 am

      I was in a 2.5 hour zoom meeting last night, but Mr DAW had CNN on in the next room. I couldn’t make out what Trump was saying, but I could hear the whine of his voice, and I could feel blood pressure rising. I’d forgotten what a relief it was when he was mostly out of sight or hearing. I don’t know if I can take two years of a compaign.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      gene108

      May 11, 2023 at 7:58 am

      @rikyrah:

      Good morning.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 11, 2023 at 7:58 am

      @NotMax: I’ve never seen the feature film but I’ve seen the original TV serial that it was based on, and it’s a great piece of work, scary and atmospheric and all obviously done on a shoestring.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      catclub

      May 11, 2023 at 7:59 am

      That Argella Stone link of Biden being smarter than the reporters (sometimes a low bar) needs much more play.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 11, 2023 at 7:59 am

      @rikyrah:

      Good morning

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 11, 2023 at 8:00 am

      @catclub: He is smarter. Even more important, he does his homework.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      gene108

      May 11, 2023 at 8:02 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:

      I saw some clips on Twitter. Trump basically gaslit his audience to thunderous applause by the NH Republicans in attendance.

      No real surprise, but Trump’s campaign will be built on lies and only lies.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      satby

      May 11, 2023 at 8:02 am

      @NotMax: Happy Birthday! Hope you have something fun planned.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 11, 2023 at 8:03 am

      @NotMax: Happy birthday to you!

      Reply
    14. 14.

      OzarkHillbilly

      May 11, 2023 at 8:04 am

      @Baud: ​ Person, woman, man, camera, TV.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      satby

      May 11, 2023 at 8:05 am

      @catclub: I wish we knew who that reporter stenographer was, so we could avoid her in the future. Especially since I expect her to be a hostile witness reporting on Biden in the future.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      Geminid

      May 11, 2023 at 8:06 am

      I like all those Democrats in the Team Biden ad, but I was especially glad to see Rep. Shontelle Brown. I think Brown’s win in her 2021 special election primary was an important waypoint in Joe Biden’s first term.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 11, 2023 at 8:07 am

      @NotMax:

      Happy birthday! 🎂

      Reply
    18. 18.

      satby

      May 11, 2023 at 8:09 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: hey, I just thought I’d let you know my fabulous luck at seed-starting has morphed into bad luck keeping them going. Not damping off, just getting a few inches high before losing leaves and slowing down. Thinking it’s a fungus or mold in the pods. Joining you in just buying starter plants 😣

      Reply
    19. 19.

      RandomMonster

      May 11, 2023 at 8:10 am

      By all accounts, the Dump clown hall was an infomercial for the alt reality that passes for the Republican Party these days.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      OzarkHillbilly

      May 11, 2023 at 8:13 am

      @satby: Sorry to hear that. Who knew bad luck was infectious?

      Reply
    21. 21.

      zhena gogolia

      May 11, 2023 at 8:14 am

      @NotMax: With my favorite actor James Donald!

      Reply
    22. 22.

      zhena gogolia

      May 11, 2023 at 8:14 am

      @Baud: Kudos to Charles Blow, whose op-ed this morning is “The Biden Age Issue Is Manufactured” (I’m kind of paraphrasing).

      Reply
    23. 23.

      lowtechcyclist

      May 11, 2023 at 8:14 am

      @satby:

      I wish we knew who that reporter stenographer was, so we could avoid her in the future. Especially since I expect her to be a hostile witness reporting on Biden in the future.

      How many of them are not like that?

      It really pisses me off, how much coverage they give to the superficial back-and-forth, without even bothering to find out for themselves what’s really at stake, let alone informing their viewers and readers.

      Biden was just awesome in that clip.  Fucking awesome.

      Yes, more of this, please – maybe if reporters get pantsed more often like that, they’ll be forced to occasionally do some reporting beyond who’s up and who’s down.  And in that ‘who’s up and who’s down’ coverage, the ‘whos’ are always just the political figures, not the actual people of America, which renders it meaningless.

      ETA: Dem Senators have pointed out that all but 40 pages of this 300+ page bill are giveaways to the fossil fuel industries, but I certainly don’t see the reporters bringing that up much.  That would be a gimme, they wouldn’t even have to work, just have an intern scan through the bill to verify that it was true, and pester Qevin with questions about that. Do they? I doubt it.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      zhena gogolia

      May 11, 2023 at 8:15 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: If you’d heard what he was saying, it would be stroke territory.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      satby

      May 11, 2023 at 8:15 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: just coincidence. And commiseration 😉

      Reply
    26. 26.

      Nora

      May 11, 2023 at 8:16 am

      I love the way Biden says, “You see the problem.”  Unfortunately, either they don’t see the problem or they don’t want to admit that they see the problem.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      cmorenc

      May 11, 2023 at 8:16 am

      @gene108:

      I saw some clips on Twitter. Trump basically gaslit his audience to thunderous applause by the NH Republicans in attendance.

      Trump’s audience gets gaslighted because they want to hear what they want to believe, and Trump gives them permission to believe it.  And they excuse it along the lines of “Trump’s a horrible person, but I like his policies”.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 11, 2023 at 8:18 am

      @lowtechcyclist:

      Horse race coverage is easier than actual investigative journalism.

      For anyone who knows, what is actually taught in J-Schools these days that makes these people turn out like this?

      Reply
    29. 29.

      OzarkHillbilly

      May 11, 2023 at 8:18 am

      @satby: ​ Are you sure it’s not karma coming back on you for all the tomatoes, peppers, and eggplants you’ve eaten?

      Reply
    30. 30.

      Kay

      May 11, 2023 at 8:19 am

      Somebody put a “Protect Them Both” sticker on the driver’s side window of my car.

      ”Protect Them Both” is the Catholic Churches political campaign opposing the planned referendum to legalize abortion in Ohio.

      I think it’s creepy but totally in keeping that they would force their political campaign on me against my will.

      The sticker is hard to scrape off too – I hope this is their campaign plan – it’s stalkerish and intrusive

      Reply
    31. 31.

      cmorenc

      May 11, 2023 at 8:19 am

      @Baud:

      Biden’s pretty sharp for an old guy.

      And yet, the GOP has successfully implanted the impression in lots of voters that Biden is senile.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      lowtechcyclist

      May 11, 2023 at 8:19 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:

      I don’t know if I can take two years of a compaign.

      Then you’ll be relieved to know it’s less than a year and a half until Election Day 2024. ;-)

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 11, 2023 at 8:20 am

      @cmorenc:

      And they excuse it along the lines of “Trump’s a horrible person, but I like his policies”.

      I especially “like” his “policy” of defaulting on the national debt

      Reply
    34. 34.

      tobie

      May 11, 2023 at 8:20 am

      @Geminid: I love the hopefulness of the ad, the positive vibe and above all the positive outlook for the country. All the politicians featured were happy! The loud, angry, apocalyptic tone of all Republican politicians just wears you out.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      OzarkHillbilly

      May 11, 2023 at 8:20 am

      @Nora: Sometimes it’s hard to shove the truth into a “both sides” narrative, so they just leave it out of the stories they write.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      lowtechcyclist

      May 11, 2023 at 8:22 am

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

      Horse race coverage is easier than actual investigative journalism.

      This isn’t even investigative journalism we’re talking about here, no digging is involved.  This is just hoping that they’d read a bill and report on its contents, so that when they report on the back-and-forth, their readers would know what the back-and-forth was about.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 8:23 am

      @NotMax:

      Happy Birthday!

      Reply
    38. 38.

      sab

      May 11, 2023 at 8:24 am

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): John S Knight of the Knight Ridder Newspapers used to say that he would rather hire history majors than journalism majors. They know more and they write better. But unfortunately people who want to be journalists tend to major in journalism.

      Reply
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      sdhays

      May 11, 2023 at 8:24 am

      @lowtechcyclist: Qevin hides in his (very nice) office and doesn’t talk to them, so what can they do????

      Maybe they can put up another running timer for how long its been since that Very Old and Decrepit Joe Biden had a press conference.

      Reply
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      cmorenc

      May 11, 2023 at 8:24 am

      @Kay: Is it possible the sticker was put on your car by someone aware you are a progressive activist, who knew it was your car?.  Or else was it a situation where someone spewed stickers indiscriminately on many cars in a big-box store parking lot?

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 11, 2023 at 8:24 am

      @zhena gogolia: I’ve been reading about it just now. Who were the monsters in the audience? They laughed at the woman he sexually assaulted. I’d be afraid to leave a child alone with any of them.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 11, 2023 at 8:25 am

      @lowtechcyclist: Especially if that bill is part of their beat. I don’t expect them to study up on everything, but a White House reporter when we’re in the middle of a debate about something? I expect them to study up on that.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 11, 2023 at 8:26 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:

      Pre-selected NH Republicans, right-leaning independents, apparently. It was a friendly crowd for him for sure.

      I couldn’t imagine fucking laughing at a woman who was raped. CNN should be ashamed

      Reply
    44. 44.

      sab

      May 11, 2023 at 8:26 am

      @lowtechcyclist: I think Biden was pretty damn merciful that he didn’t address her by name so that we could figure out who she is.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 8:29 am

      @Kay:

      Whoa.  Seems like that is destruction of property.  They think this will get people to agree with them?

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 11, 2023 at 8:30 am

      @sab: Not to play into R talking points, but as a fellow old, I suggest he may have been unable to fish her name out of his memory. Names are hard.

      OT: I did a book event in my building on Tuesday without any copies of the book. The distributor has been slow to send them. So, of course, they arrived yesterday. Just-not-quite-in-time delivery.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      sdhays

      May 11, 2023 at 8:31 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: I haven’t seen evidence that White House reporters think it’s their job to be actually informed on various issues; they seem to think that being informed on what everyone is saying about a particular issue is the point of their job.

      That helps them maintain the “both sides” view – you wouldn’t want to muddle your reporting by establishing the objective facts. That might lead to you developing your own informed opinion! Now, we wouldn’t want that, would we?

      Reply
    48. 48.

      snoey

      May 11, 2023 at 8:31 am

      @sab: And they have subject area knowledge in at least 1 field.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Steeplejack

      May 11, 2023 at 8:31 am

      @NotMax:

      Happy birthday! 🎉🎊🎂🥂

      Reply
    50. 50.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 8:32 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:

      I can’t believe we have to go through this again.  I did not watch but have read the news this morning.  One tweet said E Jean’s atty should immediately sue again.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      sab

      May 11, 2023 at 8:32 am

      @Kay: If you know a nurse, they have access to little adhesive removing handiwipes. They are meant to remove medical stickem, but they work great on various labels to… A travelling nurse gave us a box when we were dealing with the IV pick line last summer.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Kay

      May 11, 2023 at 8:33 am

      @cmorenc:

      I don’t know

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Scout211

      May 11, 2023 at 8:33 am

      Oliver Darcy has an analysis of his own network up on the front page of CNN.com. Analysis: CNN faces harsh criticism after Trump unleashed a firehose of lies during its live town hall

      He may not have been extra harsh in his criticism but he is not praising or defending the network. He included a long list of comments criticizing CNN at the end of his analysis.

      CNN — 
      It’s hard to see how America was served by the spectacle of lies that aired on CNN Wednesday evening.

      . . .

      Trump’s team was, naturally, delighted with the result, according to reports. “Advisers to Trump are thrilled at how this is going so far for him,” The NYT’s Jonathan Swan reported. “They can’t believe he is getting an hour on CNN with an audience that cheers his every line and laughs at his every joke.”

      Neither could anyone else.

      . . .

      Trump lied about the 2020 election. He took no responsibility for the January 6 insurrection that those very lies incited. And he mocked E. Jean Carroll’s allegations of sexual assault, which a jury found him liable for on Tuesday.

      And CNN aired it all. On and on it went. It felt like 2016 all over again. It was Trump’s unhinged social media feed brought to life on stage. And Collins was put in an uncomfortable position, given the town hall was conducted in front of a Republican audience that applauded Trump, giving a sense of unintended endorsement to his shameful antics.

      While Collins is largely receiving praise for her relentless fact-checking of the former president, she was facing an impossible task. CNN and new network boss Chris Licht are facing a fury of criticism — both internally and externally over the event.

      How Licht and other CNN executives address the criticism in the coming days and weeks will be crucial. Will they defend what transpired at Saint Anselm College? Or will they express some regret?

      For now, CNN is defending itself.

      A few of the harsh criticisms he included:

      “The predictably disastrous [CNN] town hall was indeed disastrous,” television news vet Mark Lukasiewicz tweeted. “Proving again: Live lying works. A friendly MAGA crowd consistently laughs, claps at Trump’s punch lines – including re sex assault and Jan 6 – and the moderator cannot begin to keep up with the AR-15 pace of lies.” (Twitter)

      “This thing was madness, total madness,” Bill Carter said. “Like giving a microphone to Drunk Uncle and saying: go for it!” (Twitter)

      “This is CNN’s lowest moment as an organization,” James Fallows argued. (Twitter)

      Reply
    54. 54.

      narya

      May 11, 2023 at 8:33 am

      The second clip is awesome and made my damn day.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 8:35 am

      @Scout211:

      Given who now owns CNN, expect them to go full Fox.  I wonder how much longer Anderson will stay?

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Kristine

      May 11, 2023 at 8:35 am

      @Kay: Goo Gone works well with things like city/parking stickers.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️

      May 11, 2023 at 8:36 am

      Good morning!!

      One of my idiot Senators popped off again:

      😡GOP senator says of white nationalists in the military, ‘I call them Americans’

      Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) said people identified as “white extremists” and “white nationalists” should be allowed to serve in the U.S. armed forces.

      We kicked supremacists OUT during my time, you DUNCE!!

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Geminid

      May 11, 2023 at 8:36 am

      @cmorenc: The audience was everything Trump’s campaign team could have wanted. They got the enthusiasm of a Trump rally, but with the nuttier rally freaks culled out.

      In terms of political consequences, I think the event cut both ways. It probably boosted his chances to win the Republican nomination, but those were pretty good already.

      As for the general election, I think the “Town Hall” did not help and probably hurt Trump. A report by Politico Playbook quoted a Biden official saying that the event distilled into one hour enough material for a year’s worth of attack ads.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Kristine

      May 11, 2023 at 8:37 am

      @NotMax: Love that movie. Bought the DVD a few years ago.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Geminid

      May 11, 2023 at 8:37 am

      @Kristine: WD-40 helps on stickers too.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 8:38 am

      @BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️:

      So we’re going to train future McVeighs and mass shooters?  Great plan!

      Reply
    62. 62.

      BlueGuitarist

      May 11, 2023 at 8:38 am

      @NotMax:

      happy birthday!

      Reply
    63. 63.

      sab

      May 11, 2023 at 8:40 am

      So Ohio is having a special election in August (low turnout momth) to restrict our ability to amend the state constitution. If it passes we will have to collect signatures from all of the 88 counties (not 44 as currently required) and then win by 60% ( not 50%.) They say they are protecting us from special interests. This campaign is funded by Right to Life, Buckeye Gunowners, and one Illinois billionaire (Uhlein the office supply guy.)  Very special interesty little group there.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Scout211

      May 11, 2023 at 8:40 am

      @eclare: Given who now owns CNN, expect them to go full Fox

       

      Warner Brothers Discovery is pushing CNN to the right? Do you think it’s the CEO (David Zaslav) who is doing that?

      Reply
    65. 65.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 11, 2023 at 8:43 am

      Biden exposing the beltway media’s habit/addiction to regurgitating Republican talking points without any deeper examination of the actual proposals.

      More of this, please.

      Yes please!

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Quinerly

      May 11, 2023 at 8:45 am

      This is a good summary of what the GOP has become.

      https://jezebel.com/still-love-him-a-round-up-of-wild-gop-responses-to-the-1850424719

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Elizabelle

      May 11, 2023 at 8:45 am

      @sab:  That is disgusting.  Good luck to the good guys.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 11, 2023 at 8:47 am

      @Baud:

      Biden’s pretty sharp for an old guy. 

      But he’s so ooooooolllllllddddddd!!!!!!

      WWWWWAAAAHHHHHH!

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Baud

      May 11, 2023 at 8:47 am

      @NotMax:

      🍕🍰🎂🎈🎁

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Baud

      May 11, 2023 at 8:47 am

      @zhena gogolia:

      👍

      Reply
    71. 71.

      BlueGuitarist

      May 11, 2023 at 8:48 am

      @Kay:

      thanks for posting yesterday about Clarence Thomas actually switching positions on Chevron deference because bribery.

      always appreciate your comments

      More will be revealed of the Thomas Crow Affair

      for convenience for folks who missed the article Kay linked yesterday: 

      https://www.levernews.com/clarence-thomas-reversed-position-after-gifts-and-family-payments/

      Reply
    72. 72.

      Betty Cracker

      May 11, 2023 at 8:48 am

      @Kay: A forced-birther jerk trying to send a message to you specifically seems more likely because putting hard-to-remove stickers on the windows of random cars would be such a dumb way to promote a cause. Lots of deranged folks on the hard-right side of that issue. Be careful out there!

      Reply
    73. 73.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 8:49 am

      @Scout211:

      They are somehow owned (I don’t know if it’s 100%) by Liberty Media, which is chaired by John Malone.  Rabid libertarian, gave $250k to TFG’s inaugural.  This has some general recent info.

      https://deadline.com/2022/11/john-malone-warner-bros-discovery-chief-david-zaslav-strategy-streaming-will-succeed-as-long-as-he-makes-good-stuff-1235166860/

      Reply
    74. 74.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 11, 2023 at 8:49 am

      Biden campaign is on the ball, using CNN’s fluff session for text message fundraising appeal.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      WaterGirl

      May 11, 2023 at 8:49 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: Eggplant.  Don’t get me started.  In my twenties, I though eggplant was really good for you.  So I tried to eat it, made ratatouille, either puked because of the eggplant or it was bad timing with some sort of flu.

      In case you’re not aware, puking up a food item you didn’t really care for in the first place does not, shall we say, encourage warm feelings toward that food.

      Then I discovered that there isn’t much food value at all in eggplant.  Have not eaten eggplant since.  Fuck eggplant.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Soprano2

      May 11, 2023 at 8:50 am

      @Kay: When I was a kid we went to Six Flags Over Mid-America up in Eureka. They did that there, when we came out to leave there was a Six Flags bumper sticker on our car! I remember my dad peeling it off – it wasn’t hard to get off because it was fresh. He was really mad about it. I agree, if that’s their plan it’s a bad one.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      WaterGirl

      May 11, 2023 at 8:50 am

      @lowtechcyclist: Informed journalism?

      Reply
    78. 78.

      Elizabelle

      May 11, 2023 at 8:51 am

      @Kay:

      Somebody put a “Protect Them Both” sticker on the driver’s side window of my car.

      ”Protect Them Both” is the Catholic Churches political campaign opposing the planned referendum to legalize abortion in Ohio.

      Silly us.  One of the both is GUNS.  As sab informs us.

      Nothing to see here.

      Reply
    79. 79.

      narya

      May 11, 2023 at 8:52 am

      @sab: I think Uhlein is Wisconsin, not Illinois.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      WaterGirl

      May 11, 2023 at 8:52 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: Oh, crap.  I knew you were worried that the books wouldn’t arrive in time.  Awkward!  A day late is just cruel.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      Soprano2

      May 11, 2023 at 8:53 am

      @NotMax: Happy birthday! This was my sister’s birthday, too – she would have been 57 today.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      MazeDancer

      May 11, 2023 at 8:53 am

      Drinking from my Dark Brandon mug. Made in the USA, Union-printed, of course.

      So happy Mr. Biden is President.

      Mug here. Also, available as a T-Shirt.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Soprano2

      May 11, 2023 at 8:55 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: It was an audience full of TFG supporters. It wasn’t even really a “town hall”, where they usually have undecided voters – it was a TFG rally!

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Elizabelle

      May 11, 2023 at 8:56 am

      @NotMax:  Aloha!  Happy birthday!  Hope there is a great cocktail and great dinner in your future.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Sanjeevs

      May 11, 2023 at 8:56 am

      CNN could at least have invited Jordan Klepper to their Trump rally.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Baud

      May 11, 2023 at 8:56 am

      @Soprano2:

      They were undecided about how much they love Trump.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Kay

      May 11, 2023 at 8:56 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      I think so too. It had to be at the courthouse – I park on the street

      it’s not a bumper sticker – it’s about 3 “ x 4” and it has a prayer on the back – one would read the prayer from inside the car.

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Scout211

      May 11, 2023 at 8:57 am

      @eclare: Thanks. I didn’t know that Malone was on the board  of Warner Brothers Discovery. Interesting.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 11, 2023 at 8:58 am

      @NotMax: Happy Birthday! 🎂🎉

      Reply
    90. 90.

      artem1s

      May 11, 2023 at 8:58 am

      So when do the other candidates get equal time with an audience of their choice? I’m being serious. So what they are cable. That decision to not hold cable and internet media to the same standards as broadcast TV and radio can be reversed. High time it was along with Citizen’s United.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 8:59 am

      @Quinerly:

      Gawd that was depressing.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      Gin & Tonic

      May 11, 2023 at 8:59 am

      1/ Increasing official paranoia in Russia has resulted in the arrest of a Hindu for wearing blue and yellow clothes and possessing a vegan cookbook that included Ukrainian recipes. He’s now awaiting trial for “discrediting the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation”. ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/shGBNlwFMa
      — ChrisO_wiki (@ChrisO_wiki) May 11, 2023

      Reply
    93. 93.

      narya

      May 11, 2023 at 9:00 am

      @Kay: Sooooo, you could scrape it off, save the pieces, look up their address, and send it back to them with an envelope full of glitter. Glitter gets EVERYWHERE

      ETA: You could add a note saying that they left some garbage on your car.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Anyway

      May 11, 2023 at 9:00 am

      They have to be pushed to have a Biden town hall with D supporters only. No MAGAs, gun-humpers, dirtbag lefties etc…

      Reply
    95. 95.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 11, 2023 at 9:01 am

      @WaterGirl: It was a good event with big attendance, probably because my building provided free wine, crackers, and cheese. Just like free pizza used to get students to a meeting, free food and drink draws my neighbors.

      I passed around a sheet they could sign if they were interested in the book, saying I’d sign the book and deliver it to their doorstep. So yesterday I did some deliveries and today I need to do more. It’s working out, but I was frantic.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 9:01 am

      @Soprano2:

      Let’s just say although CNN referred to some of the audience  as “independents” I never bought it.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 9:02 am

      @Baud:

      Perfect.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Anyway

      May 11, 2023 at 9:02 am

      @NotMax:

      Happy Birthday!

      I have never heard of the recommended movie but it’s a workday  will have to see if TCM adds it to their On Demand offering.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      eclare

      May 11, 2023 at 9:03 am

      @narya:

      Love the way you think!

      Reply
    100. 100.

      Eolirin

      May 11, 2023 at 9:05 am

      @artem1s: Not so easy actually. Broadcast is using government leased spectrum than can be clawed back, cable is using private infrastructure that the government can’t really touch. There’s no way to enforce a mechanism that wouldn’t violate the first amendment.

      At best I could see them forcing CNN and Fox to stop calling themselves news programs if they didn’t adhere to certain standards.

      Though going after right-wing radio and local broadcast would actually do more anyway, so I’m not suggesting we don’t try to get back to some kind of fairness doctrine, though we really need a different court makeup.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      sab

      May 11, 2023 at 9:06 am

      @Elizabelle: The same legislature just voted on January to abolish August elections because the turnout is historically so low. DeWine signed that bill, but is now backing this bill when abortion rights became an issue. I hope it backfires badly, but this is Ohio so who knows. All living former governors and all the county boards of elections came out against it but the legislature didn’t care.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      Baud

      May 11, 2023 at 9:06 am

      @Anyway:

      They have to be pushed to have a Biden town hall with D supporters only

       

      I’m not sure I trust us enough.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      OzarkHillbilly

      May 11, 2023 at 9:06 am

      @WaterGirl: More eggplant for me.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      BlueGuitarist

      May 11, 2023 at 9:07 am

      @BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️:

      did you see also
      “Sen. Tommy Tuberville says a jury finding that Trump is a sexual predator ‘makes me want to vote for him twice.’”
      Mark Jacob said, “
      It’s the perfect quote to meld 3 Republican themes: misogyny, violence, and election fraud.”

      Reply
    105. 105.

      narya

      May 11, 2023 at 9:07 am

      @sab: Is there a GOTV/postcard campaign that we can help with?

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Baud

      May 11, 2023 at 9:09 am

      @Gin & Tonic: Interesting to see what Modi will do, since he’s been cozying up to Russia.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      sab

      May 11, 2023 at 9:10 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:  I just read it. I think it’s my favorite so far. As usual with me, I suspected all the wrong people as bad guys.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 11, 2023 at 9:10 am

      @Kay:

      That is creepy. I agree with others it might be somebody specifically aiming it at you. Be safe Kay.

      BTW, how do you feel this special election in August will go? I certain there’s going to be postcard campaigns for this

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Mousebumples

      May 11, 2023 at 9:10 am

      @narya: Nope, they’re in Illinois. Totally bankrolling conservatives in Wisconsin, though, so I understand why you’d think otherwise.

      ETA – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_and_Elizabeth_Uihlein

      Officially live in Illinois though they “summer” in Wisconsin and do have roots here.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 11, 2023 at 9:11 am

      @cmorenc:

      Trump’s audience gets gaslighted because they want to hear what they want to believe, and Trump gives them permission to believe it. And they excuse it along the lines of “Trump’s a horrible person, but I like his policies”. 

      No one tell the Trump trash that his policies are horrible too.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 11, 2023 at 9:11 am

      @Kay: On the WINDOW? That’s far worse than putting it on the bumper, that’s active harassment.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      OzarkHillbilly

      May 11, 2023 at 9:11 am

      @narya: ​ And a bill for the time it took her to remove it, at her lawyerly rate of course.​

      eta: Minimum of one hour.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      Layer8Problem

      May 11, 2023 at 9:11 am

      @zhena gogolia, @Scout211:

      “This thing was madness, total madness,” Bill Carter said.

      Which is (almost) exactly what James Donald said!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpl4wkWMJtE

      Reply
    114. 114.

      Eolirin

      May 11, 2023 at 9:13 am

      @sab: Low turnout is always a risk if the issue is mobilizing. The Kansas abortion amendment failure going down by such a large margin was at least partially because they pushed it out in the lowest turnout conditions they had.

      Reply
    115. 115.

      Another Scott

      May 11, 2023 at 9:14 am

      @Eolirin: Cable uses the regulated airwaves too – satellite up/down link frequencies, etc.

      Yeah, it’s a bit of a stretch – especially compared to radio and broadcast TV – but they do use limited spectrum that is regulated.

      Popehat reminds us to be concerned about the US government having a veto on what people can talk about on TV, etc., (the power is invariably used to silence the marginalized).  I don’t know the solution, but I think the bit about licensing and “operating in the public interest” needs to be taken much, much more seriously by regulators.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      May 11, 2023 at 9:15 am

      @sab: Good! In the first draft, the villain was so obvious that my critique group identified the person almost the first time they appeared.

      Reply
    117. 117.

      narya

      May 11, 2023 at 9:15 am

      @Mousebumples: Feh. Wisconsin can keep them full time.

      Reply
    118. 118.

      artem1s

      May 11, 2023 at 9:15 am

      @Eolirin: cable is using private infrastructure

      even if they own their own satellites, they still have to get it from there to their station thru FCC controlled airwaves. Their broadcasts use a dedicated part of airwaves just as cell phones do. And it’s been years since they started neglecting their requirements to carry local broadcasts in order to keep their exceptions alive. They have been moving the goalposts for decades and now are full blown propaganda tools for foreign and domestic terrorists. At what point do you decide to start to claw back? after the next J6? When CNN starts running the all DJT for President channel?

      Reply
    119. 119.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 11, 2023 at 9:16 am

      @Eolirin:

      That’s a good point!

      Reply
    120. 120.

      Eolirin

      May 11, 2023 at 9:18 am

      @Another Scott: Are they directly holding those licenses or are they using other people’s access? It gets messy complicated and could break a bunch of important things if it’s the latter. We don’t want to take down the internet or stop telcoms from being able to operate because some part of it flows over a satellite uplink or cell network, and laws need to be applied evenly.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      Steeplejack

      May 11, 2023 at 9:18 am

      I watched the CNN Trump town hall last night, as well as some of CNN’s panel discussions afterwards (one group with Jake Tapper, another with Anderson Cooper). David Smith has a pretty good (free) article in The Guardian recapping the town hall.

      I will say that I don’t think the audience was uniformly “roaring” in “thunderous” support of Trump. There was a lot of clapping and some yelling at various points in the event, usually at some predictably asinine Trump zinger or a meaningless slogan (“We need to protect our borders!”), but the crowd reaction shots showed quite a few people not clapping or yelling. I was surprised to see that.

      It was definitely a Republican crowd. Some of the audience members were allowed to read questions for Trump after a brief intro, and a lot of them were “undecided voter (but voted for Trump in 2020).” 🙄 The questions were mostly bland, and of course Trump used them merely as a launching point into more word salad. I was surprised that no one asked him about Ron DeSantis. Trump did mention “DeSanctimonious” at one point and said basically that he was already finished. One little twerp brought up bump stocks in his question about “restoring gun rights that have already been taken away.” To my surprise, Trump said he agreed with the NRA that bump stocks were a nothingburger.

      The panels afterwards featured a lot of backing and filling to do damage control (on behalf of CNN, not Trump), even by the Republican panelists—with the notable exception of Rep. Byron Donalds (R-FL). Complete Trump ass-kisser who still refused to answer the yes/​no question of whether the 2020 election was fairly decided. Are white commenters here allowed to use the term “house Negro”? Asking for a friend. They all criticized Trump except for Donalds and one old white guy “Republican consultant” who basically said, “You may not have liked it, but he could win.” Oof.

      My overall sense was that the CNN brass thought the town hall was a genius idea but the worker bees did not, based on how they handled the aftermath.

      And, yes, Trump was predictably awful, awful, awful. I agree with commenters above who are dreading “news coverage” of his campaign.

      Reply
    122. 122.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      May 11, 2023 at 9:19 am

      @Gin & Tonic:

      I so feel sorry for that poor guy who was arrested. It’ll be interesting to see how Modi reacts

      Reply
    123. 123.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 11, 2023 at 9:21 am

      @Soprano2: Lots of theme parks did that in those days. After complaints some moved to attaching them with wires for a short time. (Today’s bumpers won’t allow that.)

      But putting it on the driver’s side window feels more like an attack or threat than a bid for free advertising.

      Reply
    124. 124.

      Eolirin

      May 11, 2023 at 9:26 am

      @artem1s: This isn’t how internet based media works though. And cable TV would switch over to using fiber uplink if forced, assuming using a bundled pass through provider that holds licenses but isn’t actually responsible for content doesn’t work. We don’t want to break the cell network because people use it to transmit specific kinds of information. If you’re going to force Verizon and AT&T to do content monitoring in order to keep their licenses we are going to have huge problems and it’d be extremely easy to set up that uplink to work through a third party. The final mile distribution not relying on a direct license makes yanking those licenses nearly impossible without breaking everything about our modern communication models.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      Ken

      May 11, 2023 at 9:30 am

      @Steeplejack: “undecided voter (but voted for Trump in 2020).”

      MODERATOR. Now let’s hear from another undecided voter here in our CNN Town Hall.

      (An older white man in MAGA cap and T-shirt with slogan “President For Life” over Trump’s face steps forward….)

      UNDECIDED VOTER: First sir I just want to say, you were totally robbed in the 2020 election when the Demon-crat assholes over at Fox News stole the election….

      Reply
    126. 126.

      Matt McIrvin

      May 11, 2023 at 9:31 am

      @Eolirin: Broadband providers are practically in a monopoly situation in many areas. Maybe antitrust/monopoly regulation could help? It’s not public spectrum but if you have no good options it might as well be.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Eunicecycle

      May 11, 2023 at 9:33 am

      @Soprano2: I read that to be included the person had to have voted for Trump twice. Of course that’s self-reported but who would admit that unless you were already decided? So no undecideds really.

      Reply
    128. 128.

      Geminid

      May 11, 2023 at 9:34 am

      @eclare: There probably were Independents in that audience. New Hampshire has plenty, and a good portion of them consistently vote Republican even though they don’t affiliate with the party.

      Reply
    129. 129.

      Eolirin

      May 11, 2023 at 9:35 am

      @Matt McIrvin: I’m all for breaking up ISPs, but it doesn’t affect the content problem; if the government is forcing content moderation on ISPs instead of forcing them to remain neutral providers, we have a problem.

      Reply
    130. 130.

      sab

      May 11, 2023 at 9:36 am

      So far everyone seems to be busy collecting signatures for getting the abortion rights issue on the November ballot.

      Reply
    131. 131.

      Soprano2

      May 11, 2023 at 9:39 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: I like the idea of mailing them an envelope full of glitter. Of course, that means she has to interact with glitter too, so it could be a double-edged sword.

      Reply
    132. 132.

      Eunicecycle

      May 11, 2023 at 9:41 am

      @sab: we Buckeyes all have to get out and defeat this bill, because it only needs a simple majority to defeat it!

      Reply
    133. 133.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 11, 2023 at 9:41 am

      @Sanjeevs:

      CNN could at least have invited Jordan Klepper to their Trump rally. 

      LMAO!  That never crossed my mind!  Well done!

      Reply
    134. 134.

      O. Felix Culpa

      May 11, 2023 at 9:44 am

      @narya: Why do you hate Omnes?

      Reply
    135. 135.

      OverTwistWillie

      May 11, 2023 at 9:45 am

      @Mousebumples:

      Illinois has a flat personal income tax, Wisconsin has a lower corporate rate.

      Win Win!

      Reply
    136. 136.

      gene108

      May 11, 2023 at 9:47 am

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

      I so feel sorry for that poor guy who was arrested. It’ll be interesting to see how Modi reacts

      I read the article. The person arrested is a Russian man, who practices Hinduism.

      That’s not someone the BJP would prioritize as one of their own.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      Soprano2

      May 11, 2023 at 9:51 am

      @sab: In MO the asshole appointed AG is trying to hold up the effort to put an amendment securing abortion rights on the ballot by claiming it will cost the state billions if enacted. He gets there by saying the state’s Medicaid money could be at risk. I have no idea how he figures that. The auditor is refusing to change the language, so they’re at an impasse. I predict it will take a lawsuit to force it out. I kind of wonder if this is their way of impeding the effort

      ETA – I see it’s the assholes in my county that have claimed they would suffer a loss of $51,000 because of the abortion of future citizens. Figures…..

      Reply
    138. 138.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 11, 2023 at 9:54 am

      @Mousebumples: We have the “good” Uihlein, Linda.

      Reply
    139. 139.

      Citizen Alan

      May 11, 2023 at 9:55 am

      @sab: The worst thing that ever happened to journalism was the creation and elevation of journalism schools. It transformed journalism from a blue collar profession to a white collar profiespion. And since, in our “enlightened meritocracy’, new hires are judged for the supposed quality of their education, children of the upper class who can afford to go to expensive, top-tierr schools are more likely to get top level entry positions and work their way up faster to a position of influence in the journalistic arena. Oh, and it generally helps if you’re white, too.

      Reply
    140. 140.

      Betty

      May 11, 2023 at 9:55 am

      @lowtechcyclist: Maybe his efforts to educate the press corps will finally earn him the respect he deserves. Well, maybe.

      Reply
    141. 141.

      Baud

      May 11, 2023 at 9:57 am

      @Kay:

      Somebody put a “Protect Them Both” sticker on the driver’s side window of my car.

      Sounds like an analogue to All Lives Matter for the anti-abortion movement.

      Reply
    142. 142.

      BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️

      May 11, 2023 at 9:59 am

      @eclare: I knew the sitrep had gotten worse since my time, but any bad take can ALWAYS be made worse by that idiot.

      Reply
    143. 143.

      JML

      May 11, 2023 at 10:02 am

      @Omnes Omnibus: Lynde is the good one. (and she’s pretty awesome)

      Reply
    144. 144.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 11, 2023 at 10:03 am

      @JML: Yeah, I misspelled her name.

      Reply
    145. 145.

      narya

      May 11, 2023 at 10:04 am

      @O. Felix Culpa: Your comment has a very “lets you and him fight”  vibe. :-)

      Reply
    146. 146.

      James E Powell

      May 11, 2023 at 10:07 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:

      He is smarter. Even more important, he does his homework.

      Also too, he is does not view the presidency as entertainment.

      He should use that Logan Roy line from Succession: I love you, but you are not serious people!

      Reply
    147. 147.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 11, 2023 at 10:14 am

      @O. Felix Culpa: ​
        I know what I did.

      Reply
    148. 148.

      BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️

      May 11, 2023 at 10:54 am

      @BlueGuitarist: Yeah, well, former Senator Jones only won because he was running against a pedophile in, as it turns out, more genteel times…

      Reply
    149. 149.

      Quinerly

      May 11, 2023 at 11:04 am

      @eclare:

      It’s interesting when a site called Jezebel does real reporting.

      Reply
    150. 150.

      Kathleen

      May 11, 2023 at 11:21 am

      @NotMax: Happy Birthday!

      Reply
    151. 151.

      Ken

      May 11, 2023 at 11:30 am

      @Quinerly: Jezebel, Rolling Stone, Teen Vogue. I’m not sure if there’s a common factor, except perhaps “doesn’t have a White House press pass”.

      Reply
    152. 152.

      UncleEbeneezer

      May 11, 2023 at 11:34 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: …Two cups.

      Reply
    153. 153.

      SteverinoCT

      May 11, 2023 at 11:38 am

      @Matt McIrvin: But putting it on the driver’s side window feels more like an attack or threat than a bid for free advertising.

      Someone putting something on my property would anger me, but at least on glass you can get it off. Put it on the plastic bumper and it’s there for good.

      Reply
    154. 154.

      Paul in KY

      May 11, 2023 at 11:56 am

      @narya: Tell em it’s Biden Sparkle Dust ™

      Reply
    155. 155.

      Mimi haha

      May 11, 2023 at 11:57 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: If we’re lucky Donnie will die soon.

      Reply
    156. 156.

      NotMax

      May 11, 2023 at 12:43 pm

      Thanks for the birthday wishes. Solar orbits are certainly speedier than they were.

      @Kay

      Takes a little elbow grease but, believe it or not, a rag or sponge ilberally dipped in vodka also works on removing the residue.

      Reply
    157. 157.

      Uncle Cosmo

      May 11, 2023 at 1:37 pm

      @OzarkHillbilly: ​Second that opinion. Love the stuff, especially in Uncle Cosmo’s signature Nekkid Ratatatatouille, and Eggplant Parmigiana.

      No one’s shoving it down WaterGirl’s pie-hole, so I will cordially invite her to (literally) quit her belly-achin’ ;^D instead of crapping on other folks’ preferences like a snob who can’t stomach ;^D the idea that others might enjoy food she doesn’t.​

      Reply
    158. 158.

      satby

      May 11, 2023 at 3:30 pm

      @OzarkHillbilly: could be. if so, oh well, Im’ma going to keep eating all of them. Thinking eggplant parmesan for dinner tomorrow, now that Uncle Cosmo mentioned it.

      Reply
    159. 159.

      cain

      May 11, 2023 at 4:37 pm

      @NotMax: And a jolly happy birthday to you as well! :) We have the BEST day to get born in!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_11

      Reply

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