maybe it's just me but if i found myself in this position giving this advice — and having to explain why i'm giving this advice — i'd rethink my life choices pic.twitter.com/xW4LOfIEti
— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) July 31, 2023
Yes, I clicked so you don’t have to…
Pedro Gonzalez, the magazine editor and online influencer who has amassed a following on the far right over the past several years, made more extensive anti-Semitic remarks than previously reported.
The politics editor of the paleoconservative Chronicles magazine who gained prominence through appearances on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News program, Gonzalez argued in online messages obtained by the Washington Free Beacon that former House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) “can’t be criticized” publicly because she is a Jew—Pelosi is a Roman Catholic—and that Jewish scholar Yoram Hazony is an unfit spokesman for American nationalism because he was born in Israel.
Gonzalez told the Free Beacon on Sunday that he now believes the comments “were wrong” and “don’t reflect who I am.”…
… Gonzalez, who has made a name for himself as a vocal supporter of Florida governor and 2024 Republican presidential hopeful Ron DeSantis, wrote that “not every Jew is problematic, but the sad fact is that most are,” and that the “only tactical considertation [sic] of Jews is screening them for movements.”…
This seems to be surfacing now as part of an internecine war between Trump defenders at Breitbart and the Free Beacon, versus DeSantis ‘upstarts’ at the Chronicle and elsewhere. Ya gotta hand it to Ron DeSaster: His campaign is unintentionally unmasking a lot of squirmy ‘conservative’ bigotry among the fine upstanding members of the GOP.
Who else on earth needs to be given this advice. https://t.co/Ej4OUjFFku
— Now on Threads! (@agraybee) July 31, 2023
Like “don’t engage in cannibalism,” this is sound enough advice, but if you routinely find yourself in company that requires it, maybe it’s a sign of deeper problems. https://t.co/u52VelDnEu
— Julian Sanchez (@normative) July 31, 2023
“why are all of these young people racist groypers and what is it that’s drawing them to this field and what does that say about me?” he apparently didn’t ask himself
— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) July 31, 2023
to add some color here, this dude's whole beat is reporting about how DEI initiatives are the real racism https://t.co/WdkcimAKUy
— Law Boy (@The_Law_Boy) July 31, 2023
But pic.twitter.com/BaJ84uf79u
— @andykaczynski on Threads (@KFILE) July 31, 2023
I’m a basic lib and I have never had to tell this to anyone. Something to consider.
— Crabcake Inspector (@ilpomodoro2) July 31, 2023
Pretty sure this advice reduces to telling young conservatives to avoid *all* conservative group chats. https://t.co/VgjdFGwj4E
— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs) July 31, 2023
“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”
there is no line between edgelording and “earnest bigotry”. https://t.co/KHIC1CW08m
— Jean-Michel Connard 🎃 (@torriangray) July 31, 2023
I know people understate how bad the 00s GOP already was but if the McCain campaign was found to have staffers openly posting Nazi memes and calling Obama racial slurs in private convos it would be considered a national disgrace and all over the news.
— AquaImperium (@aquaimperium8) July 31, 2023
There are two things I know about young conservatives:
1. They all keep extensive screenshot folders to blow one another up.
2. About half of them seem to be literal Nazis. https://t.co/zm3vMWJM2C— Jean-Michel Connard 🎃 (@torriangray) August 1, 2023
HumboldtBlue
Uncle Roger shares his thoughts on Guy Fieri.
Also, the US women play tonight/tomorrow, 12 a.m. PST, 3 a.m. eastern.
And even if it is 12 a.m., it’s still midnight and that means it’s still night not day, right?
Jerzy Russian
I would have been using “Pedro Gonzalez” as a swear word had I heard of him before now. So, for the time being, I will just say this about him: “Christ, what a DeSantis!”.
Kayla Rudbek
And these people have jobs…
Splitting Image
I’ve heard that the Navy has this problem under control now.
Chief Oshkosh
@HumboldtBlue: That is effing hilarious, but did make me Google what the fan press has to say about his family situation. Married since ’95, two sons, wife and kids still seem to like him, so Good Going, Guy!
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Kayla Rudbek: I’m sure workplace cultures exist that encourages all this.
NotMax
@Splitting Image
Not so much on the HMS Lovett.
:)
HumboldtBlue
@Chief Oshkosh:
Fieri has always been popular locally, and he has always given back to the community, particularly during natural disasters like the Paradise Fire and such.
Then again, he came out as a Trumper two weeks ago and, as you would expect, among my friends that tempered any future praise and respect.
Uncle Roger is hilarious.
Chetan Murthy
@HumboldtBlue:
Hai-YA!
Jerzy Russian
@Splitting Image: I think you mean relatively under control…
dmsilev
Can’t we just build a Thunderdome and lock all of them inside?
NotMax
@HumboldtBlue
If Fieri was a food it would make a vulture vomit.
Jackie
@HumboldtBlue: I’ll have to check in around 2 am-ish after a bathroom call, and, yes that’s the middle of the night, my time.
Atticus Dogsbody
“only tactical considertation [sic] of Jews is screening them for movements.”
“Papers!… Hurry up!” shuffling papers “Ok, Finkelstein, tell me about your movements, Now!”
“Ummm… well, Since Dr Thorssen gave me the senna, I’ve been very regular.”
“Thorssen… hmmpf… Ok, plenty of water and fibre… move along. Next!”
Alison Rose
Ah, I haven’t heard the “Pelosi is a secret Jew” one in a while. Yeah, sure, okay. The same Pelosi who went to St Peter’s to get communion from the actual Pope after her local archbishop denied her because she’s pro-choice. YOU KNOW, JUST THINGS JEWS DO.
Ken
@NotMax: As I recall, that was more-or-less the conclusion of a review of one of his restaurants that went viral a few years ago. Searching… Yes, google “Pete Wells Guy Fieri”.
From the NYT, but there’s a copy at the reddit “MurderedByWords”, which is an accurate description.
piratedan
culture war receipts….
https://www.whoismakingnews.com/#welcome
Jerzy Russian
@Alison Rose: I think the clincher will be when Rep. Pelosi is caught red-handed at a Chinese restaurant on Christmas. After that, this nefarious plot will finally be exposed for all to see.
Alison Rose
@Jerzy Russian: One day she’ll slip and start answering all the reporters’ questions with questions.
kindness
Fieri is an odd duck. I used to watch his show. It’s pretty good at highlighting small places I ordinarily wouldn’t know about. I had read he isn’t all that gay friendly which for someone who grew up in Santa Rosa I find odd (liberal N. Cal suburb and all). He did MC a benefit show I went to last winter, and was good at that. So….can’t say I love his political views but I do like his exposure of small eating locals.
Jackie
@HumboldtBlue: I’m gonna focus on the good Fieri does for so many charities and hope he’s not a true blue TIFG supporter.
Alison Rose
@kindness: I live in SR and yes, it’s blue in general, but it’s big enough to have all kinds, unfortunately.
Alison Rose
This description of Pee-wee’s Playhouse is so perfect:
Jackie
@kindness: He featured a small business cafe in my town a few years ago. It was CRAZY seeing his red convertible parked outside.
Omnes Omnibus
@Splitting Image: … [I]t is the R.A.F. who now suffer the largest casualties in this area. And what do you think the Argylls ate in Aden? Arabs?
kindness
The event Fieri MC’d was a benefit show Sammy Hagar puts on every year. This year it was at SF’s Fillmore Auditorium and benefited the UCSF Children’s Cancer Center. Great line up (Bob Weir, Sammy’s buddy Michael Anthony, Ann Wilson, Taj Mahal, Chris Issak, Joan Baez). Good cause, great fun, fantastic show.
Spanky
Great. Now I have “Free Bacon” on my mind. Thanks, AL!
HumboldtBlue
@Jackie:
Right? If it’s before 4 a.m. it’s night. Anything after is morning until noon. Then there is the afternoon, late afternoon, early evening, evening, late evening and then night.
Also, I’m a third the way through Barbie, and it’s very clever, dare I say, subversive.
different-church-lady
These things always seem to come down to the ‘thinker’ of the group saying, “There’s a correct way to be an asshole, and you’re blowing it.”
different-church-lady
@HumboldtBlue:
Noon is the new dawn.
HumboldtBlue
@kindness:
He’s got deep ties to Ferndale as well, and the Eel River Valley is flavor country.
It’s also PennsylBamaTucky country.
frosty
@Alison Rose: The same Pelosi who grew up in Little Italy in Baltimore? Daughter of Tommy The Younger? It is to laugh!!
Alison Rose
@frosty: These people just think anyone they hate is a Jew. I fucking wish there were that many of us.
frosty
@Alison Rose: PeeWee was Such a weird thing to see on mainstream TV?!
I’m sorry my kids were too young (or not born yet to enjoy it.
frosty
@different-church-lady: Tom Waits:
I sleep until the crack of noon
Midnight howling at the moon …
HumboldtBlue
I almost cut your naaaaaiiiillllssss…
Citizen Alan
@NotMax: I’m convinced Guy Fieri is not an actual human being but is some kind of AI generated hologram created by merging video footage of Bobby Flay, several random used car salesmen, and that asshole who was awarded “Most Witty” in your high school yearbook.
eclare
@Citizen Alan:
Any word on your furniture?
Splitting Image
@Alison Rose:
They still pass around the rumour that Charlie Chaplin was Jewish. The man has been dead for nearly fifty years.
Yutsano
Ugh. Guy Fieri is what you get when you put him against an obviously gay guy and you choose the straight white guy. He honestly got put on DDD because some of his recipes are terrible. He’s trying to get his son a legacy position on the Food Network and it’s pretty gross. Not to mention coming out as a Drumpfkin will cause a bunch of side eyes at some of the places he wants to feature. He might have just wrecked his career because he’s gonna get scrutinized hard now. Sorry not sorry. EDIT: I obviously have very strong opinions about Guy if you couldn’t tell.
Also: FYWP.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Sadly, no. Every time McCain would fuck up in 2008 The Village would say “this is Great News for McCain”.
Brachiator
@Splitting Image:
I always thought that it would be the coolest thing in the world to be the grandchild or great grandchild of Charlie Chaplin. You could say,
“My grandfather was one of the most influential cultural figures of the 20th century. And my other grandfather was Charlie Chaplin.”
Charlie Chaplin’s wife Oona was the daughter of American playwright and Nobel Prize winner Eugene O’Neill.
HumboldtBlue
If you know AOC and you know AOC’s GOP “opponent” you’re gonna love this.
Lacuna Synecdoche
AquaImperium8 via Anne Laurie @ Top:
I think the past tense would maybe be more accurate here: “… it would have been considered a national disgrace.”
I doubt most of today’s mainstream media would even consider it worth mentioning. I’m not sure they’d even notice it.
And yeah, that’s just as much a comment on today’s media as it is on today’s GOP.
I mean, think back to all those “Why American Mid-west diner patrons love Trump” pieces circa 2016-2020. How much racist shit do you think those reporters heard, and left unreported?
eclare
@HumboldtBlue:
What is the connection to AOC?
NotMax
@frosty
It was a smart home before there were smart homes.
Brachiator
@Alison Rose:
Herman reminded me of a hyper version of Soupy Sales, another comedian who did a children’s TV show and who for a while was closely identified with his comedy persona.
I remember Herman’s TV show being popular with college kids and young adults. I caught a few episodes. Very fun and trippy.
eclare
@Brachiator:
He was very popular when I was in college, class of ’90.
HumboldtBlue
@eclare:
Do a quick search for her GOP opponent and see the mimicry.
Sorry, got distracted, soccer match starting.
Here is Tina
And the US Women are out quickly
eclare
@HumboldtBlue:
Thanks! Will watch at the half.
eclare
@HumboldtBlue:
I bet people are recording the match. There is a thread up under world cup.
Brachiator
@NotMax:
Sometimes more a smart-alecky home.
HumboldtBlue
Great ball…
Jay
fun rabbit hole,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaLEDWo33wY
very TFG/
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Dutch crunching Vietnam 3 – nil after only 20 minutes
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
4-zip
Leto
Anthony Bourdain was right about Guy Fieri
eclare
@HumboldtBlue:
Yeah, the accents are exactly the same.
eclare
@Leto:
Interesting, thanks.
HumboldtBlue
Is that a tsunami alert ringing in the background of the soccer match?
Was there an earthquake?
Steeplejack
Comment on @jbouie tweet at top: “So as I stood, my burning torch held aloft at the Nuremberg rally, I wondered to myself, ‘Are we just edgelording or is this earnest bigotry here?'”
Betty Cracker
I used to be a Food TV junkie until they moved away from mostly broadcasting hosted cooking programs with folks like Ina Garten and Sunny Anderson or competitions where an ordinary person might pick up useful tips and toward more edgy reality TV formats featuring competitions with outlandish ingredients and dumb rules like “you have to incorporate a family-size bag of Flamin’ Hot Cheetos in your crème brûlée.” WTF?
I watch for inspiration and tips as much as entertainment, so that’s not my thing. However, I’ve always liked “Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives” because of the behind-the-scenes look at how mom-and-pop restaurants operate. Fieri does an okay job IMO because he mostly stays out of the way, but I’m not surprised to hear he’s a Trump douchebag.
My favorite cooking shows these days are usually found on YouTube. There’s “Buon Appetito,” which features an adorable Italian immigrant grandma who walks you through every step of her traditional recipes. I also love the “Pasta Grannies” show, which is an amazing look inside the kitchens, techniques and lives of Italian elders, mostly women but occasionally dudes and one time, memorably, an absurdly handsome middle-aged father and his ridiculously hot son. I figure that episode was an indulgence on the part of the show’s mostly female producers and crew.
Amir Khalid
@Chetan Murthy:
Uncle Roger is a caricature of a Malaysian Chinese guy of, shall we say, a certain age.
terben
@Betty Cracker: Have you watched any Pasta Grammar on You Tube? Well worth a watch. The premise is an Italian wife introducing her American husband to traditional Italian cuisine.
HumboldtBlue
Portugal women just came within three inches of the most stunning upset in World Cup history.
Betty Cracker
@terben: I’m not familiar with that show but will check it out. Thanks for the tip!
JCJ
@HumboldtBlue: Escaped (barely)
HumboldtBlue
@Betty Cracker:
The Netflix series of Street Foods, particularly Mexico, Central and South American street food are mouth-watering.
eversor
WTF is “earnest” bigotry. That almost makes it sound noble. You know like “I might be a bigot, but at least I’m an earnest one, not like those poser ass edgelords”.
If you want to say the n word, say the n word. You can! There is no law agaisnt it. You will not be hauled off the prison. Now depending on who you are and your audience this may not end well for you. I’ll never grasp the “I can’t say the n word” pout fest because it’s not real. Go ahead say it! If you want to make a jackass out of yourself you go ahead and do it and suffer the consequences, which are mostly going to be “mean looks”, the horror! But, you may get your ass beat, while you do have free speach others are free to get mad at you over it. So you know, don’t be an ass.
@Leto:
I don’t like seeing Tony and Guy in the same sentence. One of them was truly great, the other is over due for a date with a wood chipper.
@Betty Cracker:
Wood chipper.
@Citizen Alan:
Wood chipper.
@Alison Rose:
Mom is Episcopalian father is Jewish I’m an atheist and I’ve had communion from a Pope it doesn’t mean much. I just wanted to see what all the fuss was about.
@HumboldtBlue:
The little lady is a very, very, golden brown Asian. She fucking loves Uncle Roger. That is her jam. To the point where she will say something bad, and then later say “sorry children”.
The Thin Black Duke
As it has been said before, a vote for Donald Trump is a revelation into your character. The “Hey, look at me, I’m a good guy” acts of charitable events that Fieri in public does is no different than Al Capone showing off his soup kitchens.
lowtechcyclist
I’ve heard today is No-Tweet Tuesday or some such. (Shouldn’t that be No-Xcrement Tuesday now?) Don’t know how well-known this is or how much support it will have, but always worth seeing if we can reduce traffic to Elmo’s increasingly broken toy.
eversor
@lowtechcyclist:
Elmo thinks he’s going to turn twitter into a western wechat and get to prove Peter Thiel wrong about the x corp concept.
But he’s dumber than Thiel, and both of them don’t have the government backing to make a wechat.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
I like to think that McCain, for all of his faults, would have personally, publicly and happily beaten the living shit out of any staffer who participated in a racist group chat.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@eversor:
I’ve gone ahead and dropped some money on the Center for Countering Digital Hate now that Captain Apartheid is suing them.
And can we get over the fiction that Yaccarino is calling any of these shots?
Betty Cracker
@HumboldtBlue: I did see that series and was inspired by one of the episodes to make a Brazilian fish stew with coconut, chilies, lime, etc. It was delish!
eversor
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
He would have. McCain was very flawed, we all are, but he wasn’t a straight out monster.
It’s sad how far things have come. Remember that McCain wanted Biden to win the nomination because he LOVED Biden. And though they could bro it up and do town halls rather than debates and just walk about talking. It was silly, it was nuts, but I do think that’s what he wanted. His defense of Obama and shutting down the ranting bitch (and yes it’s OK to use that term here) was epic. “no he’s a good man, we just don’t agree” we lack that now from team R. He also stopped the killing of the ACA.
Dude had his issues, again we all do, but he wasn’t a fucking traitor or a total jerk. McCain would not cower to Putin, Ukraine would have nukes and F-16s by now. For better or worse.
Gvg
@eversor: I am not sure. McCain yes, but the rest of his party is still a bunch of cowards, so he is only one more vote. Remember Bush could not get immigration reform through his own party. I am sure McCain would not make the nomination for President now. He probably could have kept his senate seat in Arizona and kept fighting his own party and might rally a few more old style holdouts in very secure seats but the rest of the party is corrupt.
McCain was never a fool about Russia though. Often a fool about funding sources.
Betty Cracker
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Why on earth would anyone want that job? I don’t know anything Yaccarino, but her pre-twit career suggests she’s not dumb enough to think a toxic narcissist would really let her run things. Maybe the pay for running a glorified PR shop is worth it.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
I hate to be one of THOSE old guys, but I still can’t figure out what an edgelord is.
/boomer
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
Elon Musk still has a lot of fans. I think he was so ludicrously overrated it takes a while to clear out the bullshit – beep beep beep – need an earth mover :)
Kay
I think about why so many middle aged men on the Center and Left seem to be turning into Right wing men – I think it’s an inability to handle their own aging in conjunction with the world changing – and this does seem like the first indicator:
The end of this “contrarian spiral” is like RFK Jr. or Joe Rogan. Far Right.
Geminid
The @PopulismUpdates account featured in the last tweet is worth checking out from time to time. She aggregates election news worldwide, with a particular emphasis on rising right wing populist parties. So, she’ll cite polling of EU elections a year ahead of time to show a potential right wing bloc of 20%, and discuss the division within these parties over Ukraine.
Lately there has been coverage of the coup in Niger and the regional response. The site also previews the upcoming presidential election in Indonesia and next month’s regional parliamentary contests in Malaysia.
I like the photo in the header: a picture of (I assume) the smiling writer in military garb: beret, olive jacket, and a bandolier full of carrots.
mrmoshpotato
So some people are surprised that the Republican party is full of Republicans? (h/t driftglass)
Am I understanding this correctly?
Princess
Only half are literal Nazis? If literal Nazis means anti-Semite’s and racists who seek authoritarian rule, that proportion is way way higher than half.
Wilson Heath
And I’m guessing that’s someone who wants to be employed by a presidential or senate campaign before 2027?
Baud
@Kay:
I think there are a lot of people who saw themselves as King of the Libs and reacted badly when we didn’t give them their due.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: True. Even the Star Trek franchise embarrassed itself with gratuitous references to that overhyped buffoon! I’m not sure anyone on the planet has squandered so much unearned cash and cultural cachet — an accomplishment in its own right.
Kay
I mean, just this ONE ungracefully and bitterly aging man has gone from sort of an oafish anti vaxxer and woo woo snake oil peddler to Alex Jones in a year – except an Alex Jones who has been mainstreamed and has a 200 million dollar contract with a major company:
This person he’s defaming is going to have to sue him for a billion dollars, just like the Sandy Hill parents had to sue Jones. It’s the only thing that works with these people.
Suzanne
@dmsilev:
Isn’t that Texas?
Seriously, tho. This crazy can’t really be lived with.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
I never liked him because he’s anti union so it was easy for me and I had personal reports from people who took one time bonuses to go to Tesla, became disillusioned for what they saw as corner cutting and imaginary “innovations” and then came back to work for real car companies. One of them worked exactly as long as he had to get the bonus, bought a Mustang with the bonus, quit and drove his fossil fuel muscle car back to Ohio :)
Baud
@Kay:
LOL. “I betrayed my country. You defame me by suggesting otherwise!”
Michael Bersin
@kindness:
Representative Emanuel Cleaver (D), Missouri’s 5th Congressional District and former Mayor of Kansas City, has sometimes stated when asked to comment on right wingnuts (paraphrased): “Well, I’m certain some of them regularly walk their dogs and mow their lawns.”
Suzanne
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: An edgelord is a person who tries to be edgy. Edgy means, kinda, on the “leading edge” of what is mainstream and acceptable, which really just manifests as being extreme and provocative and reactionary for no reason other than it being the minority position.
Lots of white dudes want to be edgy (because it’s mistaken for intelligent in that cohort) and many of them struggle, because they actually have the most regressive views of all, which is “things to my advantage = good”.
Kay
@Baud:
Ryan Grim is going to end up on the Right. He’s probably already there. It’s just super interesting to me because it seems like a really consistent path but one that primarily appeals to a certain demo -it’s like “former edgy/smart/exalted young white man who is now middle aged so no longer ‘current'”
Nate Silver is another one. I’m sad about him. I know he gets on peoples nerves but I like numbers and I appreciated that about him. Now he’s like “the wokesters are HIDING the lab leak theory!” Jesus Fucking Christ. Another one off the deep end.
Ken
I don’t mind the weird ingredients, in that they show the chefs’ knowledge and creativity. What I don’t like is when the show interferes with that creativity — like, they get partway through the cooking, and suddenly a new ingredient is added. So, Chopped is OK, Grocery Games not so much.
Another Scott
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I had to look it up again on UrbanDictionary.com
Performatively “Edgy”, carried to extremes for attention. Like that “church” that protested at funerals.
That kinda thing.
You can imagine Melon’s and TIFG’s pictures there.
HTH!
Cheers,
Scott.
Kay
@Baud:
It’s a solid claim though, I think. They ruined his life. Apart from how he had ruined his own life with his crime-committing, of course, but still. He was just an ordinary J6 loser – one of thousands – I don’t think he was a public figure.
He’s afraid one of them is going to kill him. A perfectly rational fear.
Ken
Oh, is that the derivation. Silly me, I saw it was a bunch of young- to middle-aged single men who spent hours at their computers, many of whom bragged about their incel status, and thought it was a completely different kind of edge. Which I’m sure you can also find in the urban dictionary.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
LOL! Ugh.
Matt McIrvin
@Suzanne: “Edgy” was particularly celebrated in 1980s and 1990s popular culture, when guys now in their 50s and feeling the loss of coolness were growing up.
Kay
So I’m spending the summer with my youngest – he’ll be entering his junior year in college- and it is like living with Rose Twitter.
Just breakfast yesterday – we live in a police state, a lot of elites are pedophiles so it’s understandable that there are conspiracy theories about it, “you” have to replace Joe Biden as the nominee because he’s too old, questioning vaccines is smart because Big Pharma (he didn’t say “own research”but he may as well have)
I’m going to strangle him.
Baud
@Kay:
Just cut him out of the will. Remember, you have the power.
Barry
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: edge lord is just a Kewl term fo online @sshole.
Kay
@mrmoshpotato:
Just the base claim- that it was “hidden” – is nonsense. Joe Biden insisted it be investigated! He’s the President!
The idea that the all-powerful scientists were “woke” so buried this truth is just absolute nonsense. Powerful people and entities looked into it! More than one!
Since fucking when are “scientists” even powerful in the US? We go out of our way to ignore them. We literally only listen to them after the predicted disaster occurs.
sab
@Kay: And that’s now. Wait til those Europeans get through brainwashing him.
The Thin Black Duke
@Suzanne: And usually “edgelords” are white because White America gives them permission to be assholes. Non-white “edgelords” learn quickly what the lines are they can’t cross.
Chris Johnson
@The Thin Black Duke: That’s exactly where I went with it. I went, OMG, Guy Fieri is a Trumper? Is he mobbed up? Which would mean Russian mobbed up? Which would mean, absolutely down with what Trump truly is, and that fits with the ostentatious charity stuff and putting on a show of that nature, and holy shit this guy had ongoing beef with Bourdain, and if he’s Russian mobbed up, suddenly I’ve got a lot of questions…
Putting that aside, I’m still very interested in the first link of that chain: is Fieri down with Trump because he is Russian mobbed up? Why would you choose now to drop that veil and reveal your true loyalties when the guy is obviously in increasing trouble?
Suzanne
@Matt McIrvin: Yeah, agreed. I was born in 1980, and I feel like my age cohort definitely had “edgy” as a defining virtue. A big emphasis on “authenticity”. But, like, we get older and hopefully gained some damn perspective.
What kills me is that the genuinely edgy positions of the last generation — like the Iraq War being terrible, cops shouldn’t be killing people, massive income inequality is very bad, and more — are really the positions that are now pretty mainstream, at least on the left.
It cracks me up to see the War Pig party pretend to be anti-war.
Kay
@Baud:
He quit the car wash and is back at Wal Mart – MI Wal Mart instead of OH. He still makes me laugh. He “ghosted” the car wash (no notice, just don’t show up for next shift) because the owner offended him by buying them pizza to “trick” them into working off the clock. That’s probably true but I was a sucker at his age – I would have been “wow! thanks!”
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Kay: Oh dear. He wakes up that way?
Also, I have to admit, I laughed. He knows exactly what winds you up. My son can have me writhing on the floor screaming within five minutes of walking through the door if he wants to.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: “Scientists are the new priesthood” seemed like a clever thing to say during the early Cold War/Space Race period (when science and technology were also more closely identified with one another), and some people never quite got past that.
Kay
@sab:
They already did. My oldest son’s wife has family in Denmark who are Communists. They’re lovely people. A married couple in their 60’s. We went there for “lunch” (that’s 4 hours, 6 fish courses and tons of homemade Schnapps-like liquor in Denmark) and they latched onto Lil Lefty like he was a fellow traveler. He speaks Spanish so they want to take him to Cuba where they go every two years for training. He should go! :)
Matt McIrvin
@Suzanne: What always gets me is seeing today’s kids unironically use “wholesome” as a term of praise. Not even the squarest evangelical or Mormon kids would have gotten away with that in 1986. It’s kind of charming.
Suzanne
@The Thin Black Duke:
Agreed. Plus, they are resentful that their social position means that people don’t regard them as revolutionary. Think: the type of douchebags who listen to indie rock and say things like, “You wouldn’t have heard of them”. Ex-Mr.-Suzanne definitely votes the right way, but even he had a swath of this in his personality….. wanted to be considered outside the mainstream, because the mainstream was, by definition, middlebrow and not very smart.
Baud
@Suzanne:
To be fair, I probably wouldn’t have heard of them.
ETA: “I fight for the common man, but I don’t want to be a common man” is definitely a pathology that’s out there.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
LOL! Too long to nominate. :(
And then I read the rest of your comment, and wow.
Suzanne
@Matt McIrvin: Oh, it’s freakin’ adorable. I love “wholesome”. All these layers of ironic detachment and meta-ness and circular references that we’ve cultivated…… and they just enjoy stuff. It’s fantastic.
The Thin Black Duke
@Matt McIrvin: As the great Terry Pratchett said, Science is Magic that works.”
Princess
@Kay: Silver makes me sad too because I (like many here I’m sure) remember him as poblano. Too high on his own supply. And the Covid closures seem to have affected his personal/sex life in a way he took much much too personally.
mrmoshpotato
@The Thin Black Duke: And as the great Adam Savage once said on Mythbusters, “Wake up! Time for science!” :)
Betty Cracker
Are there any Jerseyites who can weigh in on the latest investigation into Senator Menendez? My diagnosis from afar: he’s a crook who should be discouraged from running again next year.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay:
Cops, pundits and anonymous sources in the government say a hypothesis is true, but scientists say it’s bullshit–the scientists must be doing a conspiracy!
Yarrow
@Kay:
Did he explain who “you” is? Why is it “you” and not him making this happen?
The Thin Black Duke
@Matt McIrvin: What’s odd about this attitude is one of the enduring archetypes in mainstream entertainment is The Smart Guy That Saves Everybody. Montgomery Scott in Star Trek. The Professor in Gilligan’s Island. MacGvyer. Q in James Bond. Not every problem can be solved by blowing it up.
The Thin Black Duke
@Yarrow: More to the point, is the goal winning the presidency or nominating a sacrificial lamb who delivers good sound bites on TV but doesn’t have a chance in hell of getting elected?
evodevo
@Brachiator:
and don’t forget Pinky Lee – that was one I watched regularly as a kid
artem1s
Can we now throw the term edgelord in the dumpster – forever? it’s not cool or hip or anything other than a made up term that is now a sure tell that someone is a fascist, bigot, white nationalist, etc with several diagnosable personality disorders thrown in. let’s stop using it please. there is nothing lordly or edgy about any of these people.
Matt McIrvin
@The Thin Black Duke: Yes, though in Fifties monster fiction particularly there was also the archetype of the scientist who insists on trying to communicate with the hostile alien, helps it evade capture and is the first to get eaten. Pencil-neck geek, possibly a Communist, highly suspect.
Star Trek preferred the plot where that guy is right.
mrmoshpotato
@artem1s: Can we throw all of the “edgelords” in the dumpster too?
ETA
What about “Lordy, they should all be slapped!”?
Soprano2
Of course, what they want is for it to be socially acceptable for them to say it, like it was before the 1960’s. They want to be able to say it and have people nod approvingly. Like the people who have said to me “It’s not racist if it’s the truth”.
evodevo
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Yep…sounds familiar…though he just turned 44 and has a teenage son and I think he’s beginning to get a clue LOL. Not quite as argumentative as he used to be (and he was the king of that!)
Soprano2
@Kay: They’re mad because they aren’t in charge of everything anymore. Barack Obama becoming president, and then Hillary Clinton winning the Democratic nomination, broke a lot of white men’s brains. Too many of them still they they should be right be in charge of everything.
Ken
@Matt McIrvin: My favorite twist on that is Edmund Gwenn’s character in Them! He shows up and rings all the absent-minded professor bells, wandering around doing science™ without telling anyone what he thinks is going on.
You half expect he’s going to launch into the usual spiel about preserving these creatures for study. But no, he says to kill them, kill them all, use poison gas, use flamethrowers, but kill them all and as quickly as possible.
Soprano2
@Kay: Yep, if I were Epps I would go after Rogan too. He’s as influential as Fox News is.
Soprano2
@Kay: I hope you can listen to him and talk to him, because you are a solid, persuasive person. Maybe you can fix some of that before he goes back to school. Especially they anti-vaxx stuff, ooohhh….
Matt McIrvin
@Kay:
I kind of agree with the first two–it’s just that it’s more of a police state for some people than others, and the conspiracy theories neatly serve as deflection from catching the actual pedophiles.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Brachiator: Our older daughter watched Pee Wee as a child and clued us in to its existence. It struck me as deranged but I don’t have a problem with that.
My own deranged sense of humor was formed by shows like “Underdog”, “Beany and Cecil” and “Rocky and Bullwinkle” (especially Fractured Fairy Tales)
Another Scott
@Kay: Point him to driftglass’s repost of TBogg’s masterpiece about Happy Gumdrop Fairy-Tail Land.
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
Matt McIrvin
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I remember first seeing the original, not-for-kids version of “The Pee-Wee Herman Show” (based on his stage act) on late-night TV and thinking it was one of the funniest things I’d ever seen. Then having my mind somewhat blown by the idea of actually turning it into a children’s show.
(Also deeply involved in the genesis of all that: the equally-sorely-missed Phil Hartman.)
And “Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure” is just a classic, one of the great irreproducible results of cinema.
kalakal
@Another Scott: That is brilliant.
Matt McIrvin
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I watched a few episodes of “Beany and Cecil” recently and was surprised to discover that the show was basically a nonstop barrage of puns and references that would have flown miles over my head when I was watching the cartoons on TV at age 3. Not sure what I saw in it without being able to get any of the jokes.
Tinare
@terben: I really like that couple. They do a great job with the show and they offer tours of Italy too.
2liberal
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
I’m a boomer also but a one second google search and look for “urban dictionary” in the results brings up:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=edgelord