Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Republicans are radicals, not conservatives.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

American History and Black History Cannot Be Separated

I really should read my own blog.

A consequence of cucumbers

Hot air and ill-informed banter

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

The GOP couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

“Squeaker” McCarthy

After roe, women are no longer free.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

I did not have this on my fuck 2022 bingo card.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

Glad to see john eastman going through some things.

This isn’t Democrats spending madly. This is government catching up.

They think we are photo bombing their nice little lives.

You come for women, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.

Everyone is in a bubble, but some bubbles model reality far better than others!

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

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Update 1: The indictment is here. I am not a lawyer, nor do I ever want to be one, but it sure seems that the attorneys who wrote the document enjoyed their work. It is a fast 45 page read.

Update 2: Just who are the unindicted co-conspirators:

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  7. 7.

    dmsilev

    Post story here:

    Jan. 6 grand jury files indictment in Trump 2020 election probe

    A grand jury investigating the efforts of former president Donald Trump and others to overturn the results of the 2020 election has returned an indictment, though the document remained under seal and it was not immediately clear who was charged, or with what alleged crimes.

    Trump’s legal team was notified Tuesday that the former president had been indicted, according to a person familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the indictment had not yet been made public.

  14. 14.

    Alison Rose

    It would not be humanly possible for me to scream GO FUCK YOURSELF as loud as this deserves. ENJOY THE NEW INDICTMENTS, YOU SACK OF SHIT.

    The Trump campaign railed against the Department of Justice and President Joe Biden in a statement released shortly after an indictment was returned against an unnamed person by the grand jury investigating him.
    The campaign described the effort as part of a witch hunt and questioned why it would take more than two years “right in the middle of President Trump’s winning campaign for 2024” to bring charges in the 2020 election case.
    “The answer is, election interference! The lawlessness of these persecutions of President Trump and his supporters is reminiscent of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, the former Soviet Union, and other authoritarian, dictatorial regimes. President Trump has always followed the law and the Constitution, with advice from many highly accomplished attorneys,” it said.

  16. 16.

    Ken

    All four charges start with “Conspiracy”. I assume that means others are also being charged?  Unless they all turned state’s evidence, I suppose.

  17. 17.

    rmjohnston

    Pretty tame and limited charges given what Trump’s known to have done. Good news, but a superseding indictment down the line would be much better news.

  20. 20.

    dmsilev

    From FTNYT:

    Former President Donald J. Trump was indicted on Tuesday in connection with his widespread efforts to overturn the 2020 election following a sprawling federal investigation into his attempts to cling to power after losing the presidency to Joseph R. Biden Jr.
    The indictment was filed by the special counsel Jack Smith in Federal District Court in Washington.

    It accuses Mr. Trump of three conspiracies: one to defraud the United States, a second to obstruct an official government proceeding and a third to deprive people of civil rights provided by federal law or the Constitution.
    “Each of these conspiracies — which built on the widespread mistrust the defendant was creating through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud — targeted a bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation’s process of collecting, counting and certifying the results of the presidential election,” the indictment said.
    The indictment said Mr. Trump had six co-conspirators, but it did not name them.

  21. 21.

    Betty Cracker

    Goddamnit to hell! This WOULD happen when I’m working late under a fucking deadline PLUS on antibiotics and therefore sadly unable to have a celebratory cocktail or four. Oh well. I am industriously and soberly happy for America.

  22. 22.

    Jeffro

    Note to all media outlets and talking heads, including the brain-dead crew at Fox: if you have any – any – House GOP members on your show tonight, or if you don’t have Adam Schiff or Liz Cheney on, you’re worse than worthless and need to just go jump in the nearest volcano.

  25. 25.

    CaseyL

    From the Guardian:

    The indictment lists six co-conspirators but does not name them: four attorneys, a justice department official and a political consultant

    “Political consultant” covers a lot of territory.  Stone? I don’t think he’s considered a “consultant,” he’s generally described as an “activist.”  Steve Bannon??!!
    “Justice Department Official” – could be Eastman, or Clark. (ETA: Whoever it was that was AttyGen when TFG couldn’t appoint Eastman.)
    “Four Attorneys” – Powell, Wood, and who else in TFG’s braintrust?​

  27. 27.

    Elizabelle

    Smithmas.  And Wine O’Clock. Tra la la.

    Alert me when Jack Smith speaks, please.

  31. 31.

    Elizabelle

    I think there is time for plenty more indictments, as events play out.  This might be the appetizer; it might be the banquet.  We just do not know.

  35. 35.

    Alison Rose

    Oooh:

    The initials on the indictment case number are TSC, indicating that it has been randomly assigned to Judge Tanya S. Chutkan, a 2014 Obama appointee.

    She’s the one who wrote “Presidents are not kings, and plaintiff is not president”.

  36. 36.

    CaseyL

    @Tinare: ​

    @dmsilev: ​

    Rudy – and Jenna Ellis? That would be sweet indeed.

    I tend to forget about those two because they were such obvious no-hope clowns, with their fake “hearings” and nutball witnesses.

  44. 44.

    SoupCatcher

    Co-Conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded “crazy.”  Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3’s disinformation.

     
    Has to be Sidney Powell.

  47. 47.

    Alison Rose

    “His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.”

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  48. 48.

    mvr

    Jeffrey Clark seems to be co-conspirator #4. Also comes off as a real asshole.

    But we knew that.

  50. 50.

    Alison Rose

    I know they can’t because it’s a legal document and blah blah, but I wish they’d take a cue from Randy Rainbow and name him as DONALD JESSICA TRUMP.

  55. 55.

    Jeffro

    Watching trump turn on his own people (Powell, Giuliani, Eastman) and then watching them say “wut?  that effing moron TOLD me to do it!” is going to be soooooo sweet!

    And MAGA-world will settle on “the Orange Emperor was betrayed by his own lawyers!”…which means, they’re essentially admitting trump DID lose…which means…

    …oh, it’s all too much to think about (or type while chugging a beer)

  56. 56.

    p.a.

    Huh, just read it while listening to Hüsker Dü’s New Day Rising, and the specific song “I Don’t Know What You’re Talking About”, followed on the album by “How to Skin a Cat”!

  57. 57.

    Elizabelle

    I hope, fervently, that we have cameras in the Courthouse for the Trump trial(s).

    We want to see this in real time, unfiltered, and before fake video and malicious bots and AI get into the mix.

    We deserve to watch this.

  59. 59.

    MazeDancer

    The 6 co-conspirators are not named because they are not charged.

    They will not be tried now with Trump.

    Andrew Weissmann says this is because Jack Smith wants speed. He wants Trump and he wants him fast.

  62. 62.

    Jeffro

    August 1 is now my favorite holiday and I don’t mind explaining that to my kids, grandkids, or posterity in general.

    “Gather ’round now, young’uns, and I’ll tell you why Grandpa Jeffro braves the heat every year on August 1st to sit out on the porch, watch the sunset, and destroy a case of cheap light beer…”

  63. 63.

    Elizabelle

    C-Span has an empty podium, where Smith has yet to arrive.

    And some blonde expert, and open phones.  Not interested.  Just bring on Father Smithmas.  Please.

  65. 65.

    RSA

    @Alison Rose:  “The answer is, election interference! The lawlessness of these persecutions of President Trump and his supporters is reminiscent of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, the former Soviet Union, and other authoritarian, dictatorial regimes. President Trump has always followed the law and the Constitution, with advice from many highly accomplished attorneys,” it said.

    A funny thing: Trump sued CNN for defamation, saying that CNN’s calling his election claims a Big Lie suggested to viewers that Trump was equivalent to Hitler; this case was thrown out of court this past week.

    And of course here he is calling everyone else Nazis.

  71. 71.

    Bill Arnold

    @rmjohnston:

    Pretty tame and limited charges given what Trump’s known to have done.

    Is that the the new-new-new Position of the Goalposts?

  73. 73.

    Omnes Omnibus

    Meadows is mentioned in the indictment, but not described as a co-conspirator.  Very interesting.

  74. 74.

    mvr

    Wanna know who the Senator was in section 101 who tried to convey false Michigan & Wisconsin certificates to Pence on January 6. My bet is Ron Johnson, but it could be someone else.

  76. 76.

    Alison Rose

    @Jeffro:

    August 1 is now my favorite holiday

    Maybe Jack Smith is a deadhead and he wanted to honor Jerry’s memory. I’m 1000% sure Jerry would have hated the shit out of Trump.

  78. 78.

    CaseyL

    @MazeDancer: ​
     

    He wants Trump and he wants him fast.

    Yeah but… I want ALL the ratfucking traitors charged at some point. I want them named, charged, and convicted…pour encourager les autres, IYKWIMAITYD.

  79. 79.

    Elizabelle

    “Listen my children, and you shall hear, of the Sturgeon Moon indictment, with charges so clear ….”

    But lots more presents to come!  Smithmas is a multi-day festival.

  81. 81.

    Kay

    and a third to deprive people of civil rights provided by federal law or the Constitution.

    That is really important to me- that it be recognized that these people wanted to throw out millions of votes and install the loser. They were more than happy to disenfranchise all of us and they would do it again in a heartbeat if it meant clinging to power. They violated our rights and they were government agents when they did it.

  83. 83.

    Elizabelle

    @CaseyL:  Shot.  I’d be good with “shot” added to that list.

    But indicted, tried, convicted, and imprisoned.  May have to do.

  86. 86.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: ​

    Dammit, the NYT link seems to be graphics rather than text you can copy and paste. (Whew! Mac has a graphics-to-text toy in the context menu.) Here are more details on the 6 co-conspirators, from pages 3-4. Maybe jackals who know the cast of characters can figure out who these might be?

    The Defendant’s Co-Conspirators The Defendant enlisted co-conspirators to assist him in his criminal efforts to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election and retain power. Among these
    a. Co-Conspirator 1, an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant’s 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not.
    b. Co-Conspirator 2, an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing the certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election.
    c. Co-Conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded “crazy.” Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3’s disinformation.
    d. Co-Conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.
    e. Co-Conspirator 5, an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.
    f. Co-Conspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.

    Does Co-Conspirator 4 sound like Jeffrey Clark?

    Edit: Never mind. I see it’s already been answered below at #92.

  88. 88.

    FastEdD

    @Alison Rose: Hot damn. This one is gonna stick. No pre-disappointment here. Chocolate cake tonight. Maybe a couple gummies (they are legal here.)

  89. 89.

    Steeplejack

    Could have sworn there was a bottle of cheap bubbly in the Sighthound Hall cellars. Oh, well, bottomless rum and tonic it is. Just in time for Ari Melber to bring it with the thunder on MSNBC.

  94. 94.

    M31

    I just made a really nice Bourbon Old Fashioned, and am roasting veggies in the oven for a very nice ratatouille, and CAKE later, or maybe some All-American Fuck the Seditionist LoserChocolate Chip No Traitors Here Cookies

  95. 95.

    dmsilev

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: I love love the stone-cold open:

    “The Defendant, DONALD J. TRUMP, was the forty-fifth President of the United States and a candidate for re-election in 2020. The Defendant lost the 2020 presidential election.”

  98. 98.

    mvr

    @rmjohnston: Pretty tame and limited charges given what Trump’s known to have done.

    Charging conspiracy allows the actions of the co-conspirators to count as actions of the defendant. In a way that enlarges the badness of the actions in question since some of their actions make the malign intent even clearer.  Would not want to be any of those co-conspirators, especially not Eastman or Clark.

  99. 99.

    Elizabelle

    I wonder if Jack Smith will come out at 6:30, so that he will be at the top of the newscasts.

    A few more reporters seated in front of the empty podium.  They know it will be a while …

  100. 100.

    M31

    “These claims were false, and Defendant knew they were false.”

    well when you put it like that, LOCK HIM UP

  101. 101.

    Kathleen

    @Kay: Greg Landsman, the Dem who defeated Chabot in OH#1, hit Chabot hard in his campaign ads with, “He tried to steal your vote”. It was one of his man themes, along with pointing out Chabot’s opposition to health care. Very effective I thought.

  109. 109.

    Kay

    @Kathleen:

    Oh,Im glad. I felt real rage at Ginni Thomas. Did she not get what she was doing? She was ready to disenfranchise half the country. It’s outrageous.

  110. 110.

    BeautifulPlumage

    @MazeDancer: and I assume no classified documents or other evidence to have to work out. Wonder what the judge’s calendar looks like.

  112. 112.

    smith

    Maybe one of the lawyers here will tell us if by not indicting the co-conspirators now, it forecloses indicting them later after the boss has been taken down?

  113. 113.

    Elizabelle

    @Alison Rose:  He can think it!

    Just last night, my friend was telling me she laughs at the “resting executioner face” quip.  It is so perfect.

  116. 116.

    Raoul Paste

    I already had a milkshake today, so cake is right out.
    I hope the evidence is rock solid, irrefutable and widely disseminated

  118. 118.

    piratedan

    @Elizabelle: gonna cut the head off the snake, granted it may be a hydra, but still, taking that smirking SOB off the board would be a welcome move.

  119. 119.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Turns out Jack Smith is an anagram for Eliot Ness

  120. 120.

    Roger Moore

    @CaseyL:

    The indictment mentions the following:

    Co-Conspirator 1, an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant’s 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not.

    Co-Conspirator 2, an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing the certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election.

    Co-Conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded “crazy”.  Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3’s disinformation.

    Co-Conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.

    Co-Conspirator 5, an attorney who assisted in devising and attemption to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.

    Co-Conspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.

    I haven’t been following the details as closely as others here, but those should all be easily identifiable from the descriptions.

  123. 123.

    Eolirin

    @mvr: Man, I would love to see some of the members of congress who were tied up in this hauled up and forced out of office over this, especially when we can replace them with Democrats. Johnson not being able to finish out his term would be fantastic. Would greatly increase our odds of holding the Senate next year.

  124. 124.

    Elizabelle

    Vanity Fair email:  Breaking.  Donald Trump Indicted for an Astonishing Third Time.

    And we have not even heard from beloved Georgia yet.

  125. 125.

    MazeDancer

    Rachel probably hot footing in from Northampton for tonight’s special.

    Guess MSNBC has some kind of secret helicopter way they can do it.

    Poor Andrew Weissman started at 3:30 i think and is likely to be on tap until midnight.

  129. 129.

    UncleEbeneezer

    Indictment’s naming as co-conspirators Trump lawyers, along with Trump, is very important to the case. It will help eliminate any “advice of counsel” defense. Mike Pence, a lawyer, previously telegraphed that would be Trump’s line of defense.

  132. 132.

    MisterForkbeard

    @David Anderson: Cheesebro is (unofficially) named! Score.

    Jeff Clark isn’t surprising at all. I hope these assholes (and that Stephen Miller is the consultant) all get charged once Trump’s trial is underway.

  133. 133.

    trollhattan

    Tomorrow, whilst nursing the hangover, treat yourself to “Reservation Dogs” Season 3, the final installment.

  134. 134.

    Kathleen

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: I have a sick sense of humor but that piece you posted would make a great satiric comedy sketch “So Who Wants To Date A Fascist”. And here are tonight’s contestants! Behind Door #1, is Conspirator 1, (add the rest of the paragraph.) Mark Burnett would produce it and NBC would air it in a heartbeat. Hmm. I may work on this. I wrote a sketch called “So You Want To Marry A Corporation!”, but the tech giant left the contestant for a slutty Silicon Valley start up.

  135. 135.

    smith

    About the judge:

    Chutkan, an Obama appointee, is the only federal judge in Washington who has sentenced January 6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested, according to NBC.

  139. 139.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Elizabelle: I’m REALLY sad that my favorite bar is only open Friday->Sunday.

    Just gonna have to make my own drinks tonight. Pity.

  141. 141.

    trollhattan

    Did his minions take away all of Donny’s phones? I expect some broken caps locks tonight.

  142. 142.

    p.a.

    Anyone got the stomach to watch Fux?  Are they going with: Hunter Biden’s links to Zyklon B or some such puke instead of the indictments?

  143. 143.

    Bill Arnold

    @Kay:

    I felt real rage at Ginni Thomas.

    Might she be the political Consultant? :-)
    (Just throwing that out for the laughs.) ETA scooped by Formerly disgruntled in Oregon, but many people must be having this thought, while they sip another drink.

  145. 145.

    PaulWartenberg

    @MazeDancer:

    The Speedy Trial Act was invoked in the Mar-A-Lago case, but given the judge there – Cannon – it was clear it would get delayed outward. If there’s any satisfaction there it’s that the trial is still in May 2024 well before the general election.

    A speedy trial here will NOT have the reasons for delay – the classified docs clearance that the lawyers need – so the hope is that THIS trial will be set for November without delay.

    My question is, will these charges be helpful in blocking trump from campaigning under the 14th Amendment?

  149. 149.

    M31

    @Roger Moore:  Love that list of co-conspirators, it’s like the Dramatis Personae of an Agatha Christie mystery

    1. Major Eustace Blackenthaller, the club bore, whose tedious stories of his unlikely exploits in India made everyone want to kill him,

    2. Lord Crumblyshire, Earl of Toad-in-the-Hole County, Sussex, whose overbearing nature made everyone want to kill him,

    etc.

  151. 151.

    Alison Rose

    Whyyyyyy do they babble questions at him when they were told he would not answer questions? Fucking babies.

    Also, poor Jack. Man looks like he needs a nap for about 4 days.

  154. 154.

    Bill Arnold

    @Baud:

    Hard to believe that won’t be Bannon or Stone. But we’ll see.

    Either would make me smile. Stone would make me grin big.

  156. 156.

    Kathleen

    @Cameron: Oooh Ooooh! Even better! Audience votes for the one who lives. Then a cadre of goons tries to overturn their votes! Whoever survives the stoning wins!

  159. 159.

    geg6

    @rmjohnston:

    I too believe there will be superseding indictments but I don’t see these as tame.  Conspiring to deprive millions of people, including me and presumably you, of their legal votes is pretty serious shit on my list.  Probably too 5; definitely top 10.

  160. 160.

    Elizabelle

    I like that Jack Smith praised those who have been working on these cases, in numerous states, and spoke of the “women and men.”

    Props to Fani Willis and Letitia James.

  171. 171.

    Anoniminous

    I’m wondering where Trump is going to get the money to pay for all the lawyers he’s going to need.

  172. 172.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Elizabelle: ​

    I think we all remember the “superseding indictment” in the classified documents case from just a few days ago. All along, I’ve heard lawyers mention that prosecutors can always file superseding indictments, but they talked about it like it was kind of an anti-climax.

    Not when Jack Smith does it. That little minor update occupied the news all weekend.

    Smith (indictment #1): “There were these 31 classified documents he was hoarding. Also listen to this tape where he appears to have another classified document he’s showing uncleared people.”

    TFG: “There was no document. Plans? Those were plans for a golf course! Smith has nothing on me. Nothing, I tell you!”

    Smith (superseding indictment): “Oh a minor update. Here’s document #32, the one he was waving around on that audio tape.”

    He is exactly the right prosecutor for this job. A master at the psychological warfare element of it.

  181. 181.

    mvr

    Another nice feature of the single indictment leading to a quicker trial is that the pressure will be on the co-conspirators to cooperate.  After the trial is over they will have little to trade with so they have to make up their minds quickly and well before the election where they will be hoping Trump is elected and will then pardon them.

  184. 184.

    ian

    Days later, after the CISA Director — whom the Defendant had appointed– announced publicly that election security experts were in agreement that claims of computer based election fraud were unsubstantiated, the Defendant fired him.

    Only the best people

  196. 196.

    Sheldon Vogt

    So, if Ginni Thomas isn’t one of the unindicted co-conspirators, might we see her later?

  197. 197.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Jack Smith or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Summer of Indictments

  201. 201.

    geg6

    @Kay:

    Though I know it’s very unlikely, how delicious would it be if Ginni is the political consultant to be named later?

  202. 202.

    Quinerly

    @Elizabelle:

    Technically, it’s called a “St. Charles.”

    A few years back, my hobby du jour was old school cocktails. Learning about them, mixing them, and throwing cocktail themed parties. 1/2 my guests didn’t go to work after my “Soixante Quinze” Party.

  203. 203.

    Alison Rose

    @Ruckus: I don’t drink at all and never have, but this is a time when I wish I could knock back a little champagne. I should have prepared and added some Martinelli’s sparkling cider to my last Instacart order!

  205. 205.

    Anonymous At Work

    QUESTION: Won’t an “assistance of counsel” defense, as TFG has been previewing, require TFG to take the stand in order to testify as to his state of mind as he received counsel’s advice and how he reacted to it?

    IAAL but never practiced, so I don’t know if there are sneaky ways to get this into a trial, but if Meadows and Molly Michael, his executive assistant, are both lined against him, I don’t see a good way forward.  It’s not like Powell, Eastman, Guiliani, et alia will testify that “Yes, I knowingly gave him advice for illegal acts and kept the illegality from him and the 2000 other lawyers around him, including those testifying against him.”  Each of these un-indicted (for now) coconspirators have testified in their disbarment proceedings and other situations, so there’s got to be a record of “I just advised him, TFG decided.”

  209. 209.

    M31

    @Quinerly: lol the “Soixante Quinze”, I made them a few times, *ooooof* they are good and also knock you on your ass

    that’s the one named after the WWI gun the “French 75” yes?

  211. 211.

    mvr

    @Anonymous At Work: Perhaps to convince the jury, but not as a matter of law. The state has to prove that there was a meeting of the minds to prove conspiracy and a reasonable doubt is all it takes to defeat that. (Not that the evidence here is not overwhelming and likely to grow.)

  212. 212.

    Steeplejack

    @p.a.:

    Now on Fox: “Fun summer salads.”

    Now on the Food Network: “Trump indicted!”

    (h/t old Twitter joke)

  213. 213.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Elizabelle:

    Surgical strike.

    Also presenting a simple case for the jury. Complicated cases can get bogged down.

    Plus, I’m guessing that those who flipped aren’t getting off scot free — rather any plea deals are contingent on their testifying.

    And those who didn’t flip…. well there’s plenty of time to indict them too. Additional charges for additional people at the right time could be…. persuasive in getting them to cooperate, especially if it looks like Trump won’t be there to pardon them.

  218. 218.

    Elizabelle

    @Quinerly:  I have been sporadically picking through a book called “Last Night on the Titanic,” which has, among other things, a lot of recipes for the turn of the last century cocktails.  Some sound delicious!

    I like that they used smaller glasses, too.  Supersizing has not been good for us.

  219. 219.

    Scout211

    No cake for me. But I Just pulled a peach crisp out of the oven made with yummy fresh peaches. I think I will go celebratory crazy and add ice cream on top!

    Yay indictment day!

  222. 222.

    Elizabelle

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):  I am not drinking yet.  I see no italics.

    Listening to MSNBC;  I see Rachel promising an “Indictment Special” at 8 pm.  And doesn’t that sound like an adult beverage?

    Has Garland spoken yet?

  226. 226.

    Anonymous At Work

    @mvr: Meeting of the minds is easier here because “I think Sidney Powell is nuts” is immaterial if TFG thought she’d do X if allowed and then she did X.  That’s the meeting of the minds.

    So, I’m trying to think ahead of how defense would show “She’s the real deal” as Trump’s “real” inner monologue, without Trump testifying.

  227. 227.

    Quinerly

    @Elizabelle:

    The Sazerac is my favorite winter cocktail. With rye, not bourbon. And, I leave some absinthe in the glass…instead of just the wash.

  233. 233.

    Quiltingfool

    I knew it was a good day to make chocolate chip pie!  Well, I WANTED a chocolate chip pie, had no idea it would be a celebration pie!

    Today has been a very good day.  This is my last month to pay my health insurance premium, as I and Medicare both turn 65 this year, so more money to spend on fabric.  I made good progress on quilting a ginormous quilt (it’s about 115” x 115” and it’s taking a long time as I am doing ruler work – outlining the blocks, it’s tedious).  AND chocolate chip pie!

    Best of all – TFG indicted.  I agree with Kay, the indictment for depriving citizens of their civil rights – my favorite.  Don’t fuck with my vote.

    Sort of off topic, but not.  A couple of days ago, I was reading LGM comments, and someone came up with a new word – “Jacksmith.”  Like, “Ooh, the Ferret-headed Shitgibbon is going to be Jacksmithed!”

    I know several of you can come up with more creative uses of Jacksmith than I!

  234. 234.

    geg6

    @Scout211:

    Yeah, though I’d love to drink a bottle of vino to celebrate, I have too much to do at work tomorrow and several of my work colleagues will be absent, so it will only be two of us holding down the fort and getting drunk tonight won’t be helpful.  So I have a pint of ice cream with the ingredients of a Nutty Buddy stirred in that I’m gonna break out later.  That’s almost as good as a nice Pinot.

  235. 235.

    Quinerly

    @M31:

    Yes. The crowd at my old house that ended up so sick was knocking them back. I was serving traditional way in champagne glasses. The looks were priceless when someone asked what was in it….Gin and champagne.

  236. 236.

    mvr

    @Anonymous At Work: I think chain connections through other conspirators would work. She worked together with Guilliani on a good bit of the action here.

    (If I agree w you to do my bit to accomplish X and you agree with why to do your joint bit to accomplish X I think we still have a conspiracy to accomplish X.  We don’t all have to be in the same room at the same time to conspire – I think but don’t know for sure.)

  237. 237.

    XYZ123

    @CaseyL:

    The people who fit the descriptions of the six unnamed co-conspirators listed in the indictment are:

    1. Giuliani?
    2. John Eastman
    3. Sidney Powell
    4. Jeffrey Clark
    5. Lin Wood (former attorney)
    6. I have no clue what non-lawyer political consultant this may refer to.
  238. 238.

    Jeffro

    @Baud: that too

    “now…step back a bit, kiddos…the fumes from Grandpa’s pipe are about to get a little big stronger than usual, but that’s okay because Smithmas!”

  241. 241.

    smith

    How’s this for sweet irony? Not only is the assigned judge a woman and an Obama appointee, she’s POC and an immigrant (from Jamaica).

  245. 245.

    mvr

    @gwangung: The bakery which has been stocking up on indictment cakes for just this eventuality. (Could happen; WaterGirl lives in Illinois and not Nebraska where there are no plausible candidates for the relevant bakery.)

  248. 248.

    Burnspbesq

    @rmjohnston:

    Gotta disagree about the charges. These will be relatively easy to present to a jury, and carry what is effectively a life sentence for a morbidly obese guy in his 70s. Don’t need anything more.

  250. 250.

    Scout211

    This from NBC

    I think we’ve all been speculating about how that went down.

    Prosecutors said in the indictment that on Jan. 5, 2021, Trump met alone with Vice President Mike Pence.

    “When the Vice President refused to agree to the Defendant’s request that he obstruct the certification, the Defendant grew frustrated and told the Vice President that the Defendant would have to publicly criticize him,” the indictment said.

    “Upon learning of this, the Vice President’s Chief of Staff was concerned for the Vice President’s safety and alerted the head of the Vice President’s Secret Service detail.”

  251. 251.

    Jeffro

    Kevin McCarthy is STILL trying his rubber-spiked best to defend the Orange One – unreal!  Note that now he is an “ardent supporter” of trumpov:

    House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), an ardent supporter of Donald Trump, claimed that the Justice Department’s indictment of the former president is an attempt to “distract from the news” on President Biden and his son Hunter, and “attack the frontrunner for the Republican nomination.”

    “House Republicans will continue to uncover the truth about Biden Inc. and the two-tiered system of justice,” he vowed.

    Oh Kev, Kev, Kev…I think it was Adam Schiff who said something about “being tied to trumpov with a cord of steel for all time” but I might be paraphrasing here…

    LOLOL

  252. 252.

    patrick II

    FOX NEWS Special Report

    Trump campaign immediately sent out a campaign fund request.

    House majority leader McCarthy: Hunter Biden blah, blah, blah.

  256. 256.

    Jeffro

    @trollhattan:Tomorrow, whilst nursing the hangover, treat yourself to “Reservation Dogs” Season 3, the final installment.

    this is me, completely

    LOLOL

  257. 257.

    Anotherlurker

    Enjoying an Anchor Steam and savoring the flop sweat and bitter tears coming from the fascist party.

    I hope trump has developed an ulcer and a severe case of Shingles from all the karma catching up with him.

  259. 259.

    Citizen Scientist

    Personally, I am hoping that our friend Ginni T. is cc #6, but I have a feeling we won’t be that lucky.

  262. 262.

    Burnspbesq

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Meadows is mentioned in the indictment, but not described as a co-conspirator.  Very interesting.

    Occam’s razor sez Meadows is cooperating. It also makes Trump’s recent trip to Asheville look like a potential case of witness tampering.

  263. 263.

    MomSense

    No cake for me, but I decided to stop and get some sushi to bring home.  I rarely get it now because my mom doesn’t like it.  She’s already eaten so tonight I’m going to enjoy.

  266. 266.

    Bill Arnold

    @Jeffro:

    Oh Kev, Kev, Kev…I think it was Adam Schiff who said something about “being tied to trumpov with a cord of steel for all time” but I might be paraphrasing here…

    Kevin McCarthy is Donald J. Trump’s dick remora.

  268. 268.

    XYZ123

    Ooh.  Somebody reminded me that Stephen Miller is the political consultant who fits the description of unnamed co-conspirator No. 6.

    So, the list is:

    1. Rudolph Giuliani?
    2. John Eastman
    3. Sidney Powell
    4. Jeffrey Clark
    5. Lin Wood
    6. Stephen Miller?
  270. 270.

    Elizabelle

    Is Joy Reid going to apologize for all the disparagement of Merrick Garland?  Who is not just a bystander?

  276. 276.

    Mike in NC

    But did special prosecutor Jack Smith have tears in his eyes as he read the indictments?

  279. 279.

    CaseyL

    No booze or actual cake for me, but I made a batch of Not Corn Bread (a bread mix for diabetics/keto fans) and to my total surprise the end result is quite good!

    …I devoured three slices; that’s how good. With butter and a tiny little bit of honey.

    The rest will go into the fridge and, hopefully, will still be good cold, or good reheated in the microwave.

  284. 284.

    CaseyL

    @NotMax: ​
    That would get a happy dance from me.

    @Elizabelle: ​
    It’s a play on the term “speaking indictment,” which is an indictment that lays out the charges in a narrative style and chronological order.

  285. 285.

    trollhattan

    Three quiet years, shattered?

    Former President Donald Trump will take his 2024 campaign to California after the state Republican Party changed its presidential nominating rules to his potential advantage. The California GOP announced on Tuesday that Trump will address the state convention on Sept. 29 during a lunchtime keynote speech.
    “As California Republicans prepare to play a major role in deciding who our Party’s 2024 presidential nominee will be, I look forward to President Trump speaking with our delegates about his plans to move our country forward,” said Jessica Millan Patterson, California GOP chairwoman, in a statement. The state GOP made its announcement on the same day a federal grand jury returned a sealed indictment of Trump for his alleged interference in the 2020 presidential election. This marks the third criminal indictment for the former president. Trump is also facing New York charges related to 2016 hush-money payments and federal charges related to classified document handling.
    Trump’s visit comes after state Republicans changed their presidential nominating procedure during the weekend to give all of California’s 169 delegates to anyone who wins the March 5 primary with more than 50% of the vote. If no candidate wins with 50% plus one, the delegates are divided based on their percentage of the primary vote. Candidates need 1,234 delegates to win the Republican nomination, meaning the state could provide the primary winner with a sizable chunk of votes. Previously, the state GOP awarded presidential delegates based on which candidate won each of California’s 52 congressional districts.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article277863638.html#storylink=cpy

    I, for one, cannot wait.

  286. 286.

    JPL

    I’m trying to catch up on all the news, since the grand imps were here.

    trump is comparing himself to stuff that happened in Nazi German and the Soviet Union.

  289. 289.

    Matt McIrvin

    I like that the charges are simple and the indictment lays out the entire story of the coup plot in easy-to-understand terms, emphasizing that everyone is lying about everything over and over and over. It’s a good read.

  294. 294.

    MisterForkbeard

    @XYZ123: I really hope it’s Stephen Miller. Dude deserves to go to jail just on moral grounds, but if they indict him later for this I’d be really happy.

    He ALSO looks like he drowns kittens for fun, but that’s not proved. Yet.

  296. 296.

    CaseyL

    From Cory Rayburn Young, on Mastodon:

    FWIW, my educated guesses as to the numbered co-conspirators are:

    1) Rudy
    2) Eastman
    3) “Kraken” Powell
    4) Jeffrey Clark
    5) Kenneth Chesebro (which is somehow a real person’s name)
    6) Cleta Mitchell

  302. 302.

    Jeffro

    @Matt McIrvin: I have a feeling that lying in all its forms is the thing that Jack Smith was put here on Earth to destroy.

    He picked the right guy to start with.

  304. 304.

    Jeffro

    @Alison Rose: yup!  LOL

    Whole new ballgame, GOP…think about your next steps carefully!

    (offer does not extend to Kevin “it’s all a distraction from Hunter Biden!” McCarthy)

  305. 305.

    Elizabelle

    Thank you, jackals, on speaking and shouting indictments.

    I think Jack Smith’s speaking indictment is brilliant.  Spell it out clearly, not a lot of lawyerese.

    Average Americans, and the defendant, can understand the language.

  308. 308.

    Elizabelle

    I don’t think all one third of American adults believe Trump’s lies.  I think they are stubborn gits who don’t want to admit they got it wrong, and won’t back down.  But in their hearts, or their intellect … I think many of them do not believe.

  309. 309.

    H.E.Wolf

    @CaseyL: ​
     Yes: thanks to the wonders of Google and Wikipedia, the first 5 co-conspirators are 99%* likely to be:

    1. Rudy Giuliani
    2. John Eastman
    3. Sidney Powell
    4. Jeffrey Clark
    5. Kenneth Chesebro

    I’m still working on the 6th.

    * I think it’s 100% likely, but I don’t want to get out over my skis. :)

  316. 316.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Elizabelle: ​

    Common cult dynamic. Realizing the cult leader is a con man also means realizing you gave years of your life, perhaps your kids lives, your life savings, etc, to a con man. Big step to admit all that to yourself.

    But when people are able to break away, they tend to be very VERY angry. At themselves, but also at the cult leader.​

  319. 319.

    Jeffro

    On a lark, I just searched some of my old emails trying to tell my RWNJ dad and brother that with trump, it would eventually come to this.

    No shit, I found this piece from the NYT, August 2018: The Full-Spectrum Corruption of Donald Trump (link is gifted)

    For Republicans, honor and integrity are now passé. We saw it again last week when the president’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen — standing in court before a judge, under oath — implicated Mr. Trump in criminal activity, while his former campaign chairman was convicted in another courtroom on financial fraud charges. Most Republicans in Congress were either silent or came to Mr. Trump’s defense, which is how this tiresome drama now plays itself out.

    It is a stunning turnabout. A party that once spoke with urgency and apparent conviction about the importance of ethical leadership — fidelity, honesty, honor, decency, good manners, setting a good example — has hitched its wagon to the most thoroughly and comprehensively corrupt individual who has ever been elected president. Some of the men who have been elected president have been unscrupulous in certain areas — infidelity, lying, dirty tricks, financial misdeeds — but we’ve never before had the full-spectrum corruption we see in the life of Donald Trump.
    For many Republicans, this reality still hasn’t broken through. But facts that don’t penetrate the walls of an ideological silo are facts nonetheless. And the moral indictment against Mr. Trump is obvious and overwhelming. Corruption has been evident in Mr. Trump’s private and public life, in how he has treated his wives, in his business dealings and scams, in his pathological lying and cruelty, in his bullying and shamelessness, in his conspiracy-mongering and appeals to the darkest impulses of Americans. (Senator Bob Corker, a Republican, refers to the president’s race-based comments as a “base stimulator.”) Mr. Trump’s corruptions are ingrained, the result of a lifetime of habits. It was delusional to think he would change for the better once he became president.

    I am going to rub their fucking noses in it until the end of time, or until they admit that from 2015 onwards, I…we…were right.

  320. 320.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Jeffro: ​
     

    August 1 is now my favorite holiday and I don’t mind explaining that to my kids, grandkids, or posterity in general.

    “Gather ’round now, young’uns, and I’ll tell you why Grandpa Jeffro braves the heat every year on August 1st to sit out on the porch, watch the sunset, and destroy a case of cheap light beer…”

    We needed an American equivalent to Guy Fawkes Day.

    Say, didn’t Watergate’s “smoking gun” tape come out right about this time of year?

  322. 322.

    persistentillusion

    @MazeDancer: Thanks, I learned something today.  It was a zippy town back in the 70s, too.  At least to a suburban Chicago girl.

  323. 323.

    Mai Naem mobileI

    @Alison Rose: she’s also black. There’s just some poetic justice in him getting a black female judge. Being an Obama appointee is just a cherry on top.

  326. 326.

    NotMax

    Do feel a twinge of sympathy toward the custodial staff at Bedminster.

    They’ll be squeegeeing ketchup off walls for weeks.

  329. 329.

    cain

    @trollhattan:

    Just so you know – today is Lughnasadh – a wiccan harvest holiday. It’s all a super full moon – so extra luck.

    Just remember – reap what you sow, MOTHERFUCKER!

  331. 331.

    cain

    @RevDocEDJ:

    sung to Brittany Spears, “Oops, I did it again”

    🎝 Oops, indicated again – Jack, let you believe that you can get away with it. Jack just gave it a push, Trump didn’t know.. it was so serioooouus 🎝

  332. 332.

    lowtechcyclist

    Let’s go with a little Burton Cummings:

    He’s come undun
    He didn’t know what he was headed for
    And when he found what he was headed for
    It was too late
    It’s too late, he’s gone too far, he’s lost the sun, he’s come undun
    .

  333. 333.

    Origuy

    Has no one mentioned that today is the festival of Lughnasadh, the beginning of harvest in the Celtic calenday? It used to involve the sacrifice of a bull. Today we sacrifice a bullshitter

    ETA Oops, cain beat me to it.

  335. 335.

    Scout211

    @Mike in NC: Washington Post online headline tonight is a thing of beauty.

    I clicked on the WaPo site to find out what the thing of beauty was and was confronted with this:

    Opinion: How Joe Biden’s compassion for his son blew up in his face
    By Joe Klein

    Joe Klein.  Still an asshole.

  336. 336.

    Anonymous At Work

    @mvr: Meeting of the minds doesn’t have to be in same place and time, iirc.  Telling Guiliani to work with Sidney on X, and Sidney undertakes steps to do X, you have a conspiracy.  Chains work for Smith’s side.

    What would you need to show on TFG’s side without calling TFG, Guiliani or Powell to witness stand?  As a defense attorney, I’d be chewing cyanide capsules by the dozen before letting my client put any of them on the witness stand.

  337. 337.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    Finally. May these criminals get everything they deserve.

  340. 340.

    Another Scott

    Good, good.

    It would be interesting if Mr. Pillow got an indictment.

    Now to read the comments…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  342. 342.

    Elizabelle

    I think a fresh thread, on this topic, would be minty. I shall be watching Rachel Maddow at 8, and hoping that she doesn’t drag out her delivery so much.

  343. 343.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Anonymous At Work: ​

    Meeting of the minds doesn’t have to be in same place and time, iirc. Telling Guiliani to work with Sidney on X, and Sidney undertakes steps to do X, you have a conspiracy. Chains work for Smith’s side.

    Or how about the Queen of Soul?

    Chain chain chain, chain chain chain,
    chain chain chain, chain of fools

  345. 345.

    Kent

    @CaseyL:“Political consultant” covers a lot of territory.  Stone? I don’t think he’s considered a “consultant,” he’s generally described as an “activist.”  Steve Bannon??!!
    “Justice Department Official” – could be Eastman, or Clark. (ETA: Whoever it was that was AttyGen when TFG couldn’t appoint Eastman.)
    “Four Attorneys” – Powell, Wood, and who else in TFG’s braintrust?​

    Both Eastman and Clark are also attorneys I think.  And of course there is Giuliani.

  346. 346.

    Elizabelle

    @Baud:  Yeah, really!  LOL.

    But want to get out on a dog walk about that time.  Gorgeous moon should be up about 9 tonight.

  347. 347.

    Alison Rose

    JFC I really wish Nixon hadn’t resigned and he had been prosecuted just so there would be less of this “OMG THIS IS SO HISTORIC YOU GUYS!!!!” crap happening. Like, we fucking know. So what???

  351. 351.

    Kent

    Of course DeSantis is exposing his constitutional illiteracy by saying it is unfair to hold the trial in Washington DC.

    No dipshit, the Constitution demands it:

    Article 3 section 2 (Judiciary) clearly states:  The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; 

    And the 8th Amendment clearly states:   In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, 

    You don’t want to face a Washington DC jury?  Don’t commit crimes in Washington DC.

  353. 353.

    Old School

    @Mike in NC:

    Washington Post online headline tonight is a thing of beauty.

    I’ll assume “Trump charged for efforts to overturn 2020 election” wasn’t the thing of beauty.

    What did it say?

  355. 355.

    Jackie

    @NotMax: Maybe they hid the ketchup in anticipation. Although if TIFG is like me, I can’t eat when I’m distraught.

    But I think he’s the kind to stress eat.

  358. 358.

    Ken

    @Elizabelle: But want to get out on a dog walk about that time.

    I already took my walk, and didn’t see the huge crowds of angry supporters Trump said would be protesting the indictment. They probably need more time to get organized, and to decide which of them are FBI informants. So you should be safe for at least the early part of the evening century.

  360. 360.

    kalakal

    I want 2 things.

    By the time this is all over I want it to have decimated the upper ranks of the GOP: TFG & his odious family, various operatives, advisors, consultants ex officials and sundry congress critters .
    A tumbril put to use

  361. 361.

    MomSense

    @cain:

    Rocky Mountain Mike has a song called I’m So Indicted set to I’m so excited.  Sooo funny.

    He has so many great song parodies.

  362. 362.

    dww44

    @Elizabelle: I credit Jack Smith and his laser focused team for today’s  results and the earlier ones .  It should have happened a year ago.  That lack of action can clearly be laid on the AG’s  doorstep.  As my SO said a few minutes ago Merrick Garland should be on the SC.  As one who’s been of the same mind as Reid and others for many months,  his apparent caution about holding Trump directly accountable  has put us in this place where Trump’s  delaying tactics may bear more fruit for Trump himself and currently has us looking at Trump ‘s possible re-election.

    Justice delayed really can result in its denial. I don’t know who finally convinced Garland to go the Special Counsel route with Jack Smith. I applaud whoever that was, including if it was the AG himself.

  363. 363.

    zhena gogolia

    @dww44: Goddammit.

    Smith is building on what the DOJ already did. He named Smith when TFG declared his candidacy. Do you pay any attention to any of this?

  364. 364.

    moonbat

    I trotted right down to the liquor store with the puppers to pick up a fine Scotch to toast Mr. Smith and this brilliant 45-page indictment.

    That the judge chosen to hear these charges is the Right Honorable “The President is not a king. The defendant is not President” is just chef’s kiss.

    Thank you, Jack! You have given me hope that this country is salvageable after all.

  365. 365.

    Glidwrith

    It’s too hot to make the galette recipe Watergirl gave to me, so it will be Scalzi’s schadenfreude pie!

  366. 366.

    Jackie

    For those too busy to celebrate today, this Thursday is ARRAIGNMENT Day. Clear your calendars! Stock up on celebratory beverages, cake, ice cream and popcorn!

  367. 367.

    gwangung

    @dww44: This seems REALLY ill informed.

    What is the average time to bring a case against, say, mobsters or high level businessmen? Do you have an inkling? And do you grok that people with money and power use it to slow down the case, starting with evidence gathering and going on through the steps of the trial?

  372. 372.

    dww44

    @zhena gogolia: I’d say that I do and have done from the getgo. The fact that I disagree with the majority take  at B J doesn’t mean that I’m not  paying attention nor does it necessarily mean that I am wrong.  I remember the surprise and dismay on the part of many when it became apparent that Main Justice  was relying on the Jan 6 investigations and that it obviously had not already been undertaking its own.  It took a year and a half to get to the end of the  Jan 6 hearings and only then does the real work to hold Trump accountable actually get underway.  Before then they were going after the little fish.  I don’t remember where I read this but there was a report that Garland and his deputy AG had met early on and decided that there was no appetite in the country to go after Trump.

  374. 374.

    Ruckus

    @Alison Rose:

    I stopped over 20 yrs ago.

    Wasn’t much of a drinker but noticed that I had upped my weekly quota without paying any attention so I stopped. I’ve know too many that went down that road and if one does it often becomes somewhere along the way a one way road with no speed limit. I worked for a guy like that almost 2 decades ago but he’s not the only drunk I’ve seen in the making, and I didn’t want to see another one, especially in the mirror. Haven’t actually missed it at all except my wallet is a bit heavier

    I knew a few guys in the navy who seemed to breathe alcohol rather than oxygen. It wasn’t all that pretty.

  376. 376.

    dww44

    @gwangung: I’m not ill informed. I do understand that people with money and power will  gum up the works as much as they can:hence the concern that the indictment 2 1/2 years into the administration puts the indicted in a better position to avoid accountability thanks to the cover of running for office. Which, in turn, increases the possibility of him being re-elected and thereby in a position to put the final kibosh to our democracy. A position that might have been less likely a year ago. One year less of his having the opportunity to solidify his support among the MAGA’s and GOP primary voters.  As a matter of fact Lawrence Tribe on LOD right now agrees.

  377. 377.

    dww44

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: No he’s not but he wasn’t indicted by the Justice Department. I believe the District of  Columbia bar went after his law license in July of 2022 and he stalled and delayed the hearing until quite recently.

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