Trump indicted on 4 charges in DC
Update 1: The indictment is here. I am not a lawyer, nor do I ever want to be one, but it sure seems that the attorneys who wrote the document enjoyed their work. It is a fast 45 page read.
Update 2: Just who are the unindicted co-conspirators:
Putting names to the list of six co-conspirators:
1 (a) = Rudy Giuliani
2 (b) = John Eastman
3 (c) = Sidney Powell
4 (d) = Jeffrey Clark
5 (e) = Ken Chesebro
6 (f) = ??? https://t.co/wRKtNSLK0E— Aaron Fritschner (@Fritschner) August 1, 2023
HumboldtBlue
Good news!
This is almost as good as Taco Tuesday. Almost…
dmsilev
Let the charges fly!
David Anderson
Tick tock motherfucker
Baud
👍🇺🇲
MomSense
Wow!!
Baud
🧁🎂
dmsilev
Post story here:
Jan. 6 grand jury files indictment in Trump 2020 election probe
MomSense
@dmsilev:
Not sure why but I sang that to the horrendous tune of Let the Eagles Soar and somehow it worked for me.
dexwood
Popping a cork here while mrs. dexwood cheers and dances.
schrodingers_cat
Excellent news. Way to go, Jack!
Baud
@MomSense:
🦅🇺🇲
dmsilev
@MomSense: Let the ….charges soar!
Yeah, it scans. Sorry for the horrific earworm.
caphilldcne
Finally
Alison Rose
It would not be humanly possible for me to scream GO FUCK YOURSELF as loud as this deserves. ENJOY THE NEW INDICTMENTS, YOU SACK OF SHIT.
mvr
Cake?
Ken
All four charges start with “Conspiracy”. I assume that means others are also being charged? Unless they all turned state’s evidence, I suppose.
rmjohnston
Pretty tame and limited charges given what Trump’s known to have done. Good news, but a superseding indictment down the line would be much better news.
Danielx
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person.
Tinare
@mvr: Wine.
dmsilev
From FTNYT:
Betty Cracker
Goddamnit to hell! This WOULD happen when I’m working late under a fucking deadline PLUS on antibiotics and therefore sadly unable to have a celebratory cocktail or four. Oh well. I am industriously and soberly happy for America.
Jeffro
Note to all media outlets and talking heads, including the brain-dead crew at Fox: if you have any – any – House GOP members on your show tonight, or if you don’t have Adam Schiff or Liz Cheney on, you’re worse than worthless and need to just go jump in the nearest volcano.
trollhattan
Everywhere we look: witches. 🧙♀️🧹🧙♀️🧹🧙♀️
Jeffro
@Betty Cracker: I’ll have a few (or more) for you, Betty! ;)
CaseyL
From the Guardian:
“Political consultant” covers a lot of territory. Stone? I don’t think he’s considered a “consultant,” he’s generally described as an “activist.” Steve Bannon??!!
“Justice Department Official” – could be Eastman, or Clark. (ETA: Whoever it was that was AttyGen when TFG couldn’t appoint Eastman.)
“Four Attorneys” – Powell, Wood, and who else in TFG’s braintrust?
Alison Rose
@rmjohnston: Oh thank God, the buzzkills have arrived!!!!
Elizabelle
Smithmas. And Wine O’Clock. Tra la la.
Alert me when Jack Smith speaks, please.
Mai Naem mobileI
@HumboldtBlue: that’s the least they can do for not letting us have our taco trucks at every corner.
RevDocEDJ
Ooops, indicted again!
dmsilev
@CaseyL: Rudy is, technically, an attorney.
Elizabelle
I think there is time for plenty more indictments, as events play out. This might be the appetizer; it might be the banquet. We just do not know.
MomSense
@dmsilev:
Let the charges fly!
Until it’s prison for The Former Guy!
CaseyL
@dmsilev:
…for now.
Tinare
@CaseyL: Rudy?
Alison Rose
Oooh:
She’s the one who wrote “Presidents are not kings, and plaintiff is not president”.
CaseyL
@Tinare:
@dmsilev:
Rudy – and Jenna Ellis? That would be sweet indeed.
I tend to forget about those two because they were such obvious no-hope clowns, with their fake “hearings” and nutball witnesses.
Elizabelle
@Alison Rose: I will toast to that!
Baud
Via Mastodon, indictment here.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.1.0_1.pdf
dmsilev
@Elizabelle: I’ve got Georgia on my mind.
BeautifulPlumage
I hope WaterGirl has her cake ready!
David Anderson
Yep. Rudy is attorney #1
Eastman #2
Alison Rose
@Elizabelle: It was such a good line. He would’ve needed some aloe for that burn!
dmsilev
@Alison Rose: I guess we were owed some good karma after Aileen “loose” Cannon got the classified-documents case.
SoupCatcher
Has to be Sidney Powell.
dmsilev
@David Anderson: The hair-dye is running down in a veritable waterfall as we speak.
BeautifulPlumage
@Alison Rose: sweeeeet!
Alison Rose
“His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.”
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
mvr
Jeffrey Clark seems to be co-conspirator #4. Also comes off as a real asshole.
But we knew that.
Mallard Filmore
The real joy will begin when the evidence is released.
Alison Rose
I know they can’t because it’s a legal document and blah blah, but I wish they’d take a cue from Randy Rainbow and name him as DONALD JESSICA TRUMP.
dmsilev
@SoupCatcher: Is there an additional charge of crimes against fashion sense for that coat of hers?
rikyrah
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
TheronWare
Dotard is going down in flames Ha! https://youtu.be/pjVkwX5Yt2Y
bbleh
Oh thankyouthankyouthankyou Uncle Jack! These are the BEST Smithmas presents EVER!!
Jeffro
Watching trump turn on his own people (Powell, Giuliani, Eastman) and then watching them say “wut? that effing moron TOLD me to do it!” is going to be soooooo sweet!
And MAGA-world will settle on “the Orange Emperor was betrayed by his own lawyers!”…which means, they’re essentially admitting trump DID lose…which means…
…oh, it’s all too much to think about (or type while chugging a beer)
p.a.
Huh, just read it while listening to Hüsker Dü’s New Day Rising, and the specific song “I Don’t Know What You’re Talking About”, followed on the album by “How to Skin a Cat”!
Elizabelle
I hope, fervently, that we have cameras in the Courthouse for the Trump trial(s).
We want to see this in real time, unfiltered, and before fake video and malicious bots and AI get into the mix.
We deserve to watch this.
JWR
@Alison Rose:
So far, it’s just the one, but thank you for calling it out!
MazeDancer
The 6 co-conspirators are not named because they are not charged.
They will not be tried now with Trump.
Andrew Weissmann says this is because Jack Smith wants speed. He wants Trump and he wants him fast.
Cameron
@Alison Rose: Wonder if any of these “highly accomplished attorneys” are among the ones his current lawyers want to throw under the bus.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Haha. News outlets now struggling to track the state of all the court cases. Here’s a NYT tracker article. And we haven’t even got all the indictments that we’re going to get at the state and federal level.
By next spring we’re going to have news anchors with nightly shows that look like election night coverage.
And finally! The first copy of the whole indictment I’ve found. Also a NYT link, sorry if it’s paywalled.
Jeffro
August 1 is now my favorite holiday and I don’t mind explaining that to my kids, grandkids, or posterity in general.
“Gather ’round now, young’uns, and I’ll tell you why Grandpa Jeffro braves the heat every year on August 1st to sit out on the porch, watch the sunset, and destroy a case of cheap light beer…”
Elizabelle
C-Span has an empty podium, where Smith has yet to arrive.
And some blonde expert, and open phones. Not interested. Just bring on Father Smithmas. Please.
Baud
@Jeffro:
And smoke crack?
RSA
A funny thing: Trump sued CNN for defamation, saying that CNN’s calling his election claims a Big Lie suggested to viewers that Trump was equivalent to Hitler; this case was thrown out of court this past week.
And of course here he is calling everyone else Nazis.
Elizabelle
@MazeDancer:
IronMan gonna get what he wants.
Surgical strike.
Alison Rose
@Cameron: Rooting for injuries!
BeautifulPlumage
@MazeDancer: this news just keeps getting better and better!
Delk
🎶 I’m going to join the band…🎶
Alison Rose
@RSA: Nazi slurs for me but not for thee!
Bill Arnold
@rmjohnston:
Is that the the new-new-new Position of the Goalposts?
hedgehog mobile
Margarita or champagne? Yes please!
Omnes Omnibus
Meadows is mentioned in the indictment, but not described as a co-conspirator. Very interesting.
mvr
Wanna know who the Senator was in section 101 who tried to convey false Michigan & Wisconsin certificates to Pence on January 6. My bet is Ron Johnson, but it could be someone else.
UncleEbeneezer
You love to see it!
Alison Rose
@Jeffro:
Maybe Jack Smith is a deadhead and he wanted to honor Jerry’s memory. I’m 1000% sure Jerry would have hated the shit out of Trump.
Kathleen
@Alison Rose: Just like the wallows returning to Crapistrano.
CaseyL
@MazeDancer:
Yeah but… I want ALL the ratfucking traitors charged at some point. I want them named, charged, and convicted…pour encourager les autres, IYKWIMAITYD.
Elizabelle
“Listen my children, and you shall hear, of the Sturgeon Moon indictment, with charges so clear ….”
But lots more presents to come! Smithmas is a multi-day festival.
Alison Rose
@Kathleen: LOLOL!!
Kay
That is really important to me- that it be recognized that these people wanted to throw out millions of votes and install the loser. They were more than happy to disenfranchise all of us and they would do it again in a heartbeat if it meant clinging to power. They violated our rights and they were government agents when they did it.
Baud
@Kay:
Agreed.
Elizabelle
@CaseyL: Shot. I’d be good with “shot” added to that list.
But indicted, tried, convicted, and imprisoned. May have to do.
David Anderson
@rmjohnston: very convictable charges with the same sentences as sedition
Elizabelle
@Kay: Very true.
And a DC jury will decide this case.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Dammit, the NYT link seems to be graphics rather than text you can copy and paste. (Whew! Mac has a graphics-to-text toy in the context menu.) Here are more details on the 6 co-conspirators, from pages 3-4. Maybe jackals who know the cast of characters can figure out who these might be?
Does Co-Conspirator 4 sound like Jeffrey Clark?
Edit: Never mind. I see it’s already been answered below at #92.
M31
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Baud had it above but just in case:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.1.0_1.pdf
Paragraph 1: “The Defendant lost the 2020 Presidential election” hahahaha loser
FastEdD
@Alison Rose: Hot damn. This one is gonna stick. No pre-disappointment here. Chocolate cake tonight. Maybe a couple gummies (they are legal here.)
Steeplejack
Could have sworn there was a bottle of cheap bubbly in the Sighthound Hall cellars. Oh, well, bottomless rum and tonic it is. Just in time for Ari Melber to bring it with the thunder on MSNBC.
Omnes Omnibus
@rmjohnston: I am sure that Jack Smith will apologize at his presser. JFC.
different-church-lady
Gosh, it must be Give-Merrick-Garland-No-Credit-O’Clock again.
David Anderson
Per Bluesky’s own @pbump.com:
1. Giuliani
2. Eastman
3. Powell
4. Jeff Clark
5. Cheseboro
6. Political consultant tbd
https://bsky.app/profile/joekatz45.bsky.social/post/3k3witm5ufu2r
Cameron
@Kathleen: I’d prefer a gallows at Mar-a-Lago.
M31
I just made a really nice Bourbon Old Fashioned, and am roasting veggies in the oven for a very nice ratatouille, and CAKE later, or maybe some All-American Fuck the Seditionist LoserChocolate Chip No Traitors Here Cookies
dmsilev
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I love love the stone-cold open:
“The Defendant, DONALD J. TRUMP, was the forty-fifth President of the United States and a candidate for re-election in 2020. The Defendant lost the 2020 presidential election.”
NotMax
“If your insurrection lasts longer than four hours, consult an attorney.”
//
different-church-lady
@trollhattan:
Nope, no witches. Criminals.
mvr
Charging conspiracy allows the actions of the co-conspirators to count as actions of the defendant. In a way that enlarges the badness of the actions in question since some of their actions make the malign intent even clearer. Would not want to be any of those co-conspirators, especially not Eastman or Clark.
Elizabelle
I wonder if Jack Smith will come out at 6:30, so that he will be at the top of the newscasts.
A few more reporters seated in front of the empty podium. They know it will be a while …
M31
“These claims were false, and Defendant knew they were false.”
well when you put it like that, LOCK HIM UP
Kathleen
@Kay: Greg Landsman, the Dem who defeated Chabot in OH#1, hit Chabot hard in his campaign ads with, “He tried to steal your vote”. It was one of his man themes, along with pointing out Chabot’s opposition to health care. Very effective I thought.
Baud
@Elizabelle:
We’ve come full circle with the broadcasting of empty podiums.
MazeDancer
@BeautifulPlumage:
@Elizabelle:
Weissmann and Karyal agree that in the regular world this trial would start by November.
Feds are fast.
Elizabelle
@M31: Bourbon Old Fashioned.
Cannot have you drinking alone. Might be Manhattan time.
Elizabelle
@Baud:
Perfect!! Laughing.
Alison Rose
@Elizabelle: Too much to hope that Smith walks up there and leans into the mic and says “That’s right, bitch” and walks away?
Geminid
@David Anderson:
Rabbit rabbit, motherfucker!
PaulWartenberg
@Betty Cracker:
Betty, SOMEbody has to be the designated driver tonight.
I don’t drink anyway, so I am volunteering for sober support tonight. Cheers, everyone (sips apple juice)
Kay
@Kathleen:
Oh,Im glad. I felt real rage at Ginni Thomas. Did she not get what she was doing? She was ready to disenfranchise half the country. It’s outrageous.
BeautifulPlumage
@MazeDancer: and I assume no classified documents or other evidence to have to work out. Wonder what the judge’s calendar looks like.
Lapassionara
@David Anderson: Thanks. I had sussed out the first 4, but didn’t remember Chesbro (sp?)
smith
Maybe one of the lawyers here will tell us if by not indicting the co-conspirators now, it forecloses indicting them later after the boss has been taken down?
Elizabelle
@Alison Rose: He can think it!
Just last night, my friend was telling me she laughs at the “resting executioner face” quip. It is so perfect.
Baud
@smith:
They can be indicted later.
I wonder if Rudi is cooperating though.
mvr
@smith: I’m not a lawyer but it doesn’t.
Raoul Paste
I already had a milkshake today, so cake is right out.
I hope the evidence is rock solid, irrefutable and widely disseminated
M31
@Elizabelle: *clink*
A Toast! To many more years! IN PRISON, DONNY!
piratedan
@Elizabelle: gonna cut the head off the snake, granted it may be a hydra, but still, taking that smirking SOB off the board would be a welcome move.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Turns out Jack Smith is an anagram for Eliot Ness
Roger Moore
@CaseyL:
The indictment mentions the following:
I haven’t been following the details as closely as others here, but those should all be easily identifiable from the descriptions.
AM in NC
@mvr: That was my burning question as well.
mvr
@Baud: This puts a lot of pressure on the co-conspirators to cooperate.
Eolirin
@mvr: Man, I would love to see some of the members of congress who were tied up in this hauled up and forced out of office over this, especially when we can replace them with Democrats. Johnson not being able to finish out his term would be fantastic. Would greatly increase our odds of holding the Senate next year.
Elizabelle
Vanity Fair email: Breaking. Donald Trump Indicted for an Astonishing Third Time.
And we have not even heard from beloved Georgia yet.
MazeDancer
Rachel probably hot footing in from Northampton for tonight’s special.
Guess MSNBC has some kind of secret helicopter way they can do it.
Poor Andrew Weissman started at 3:30 i think and is likely to be on tap until midnight.
Steve in the ATL
@Baud: the equal time rule is back!
NotMax
@smith
No, it does not foreclose being indicted in the future.
Omnes Omnibus
@smith: It does not.
UncleEbeneezer
boatboy_srq
@MomSense: Thread officially won.
Elizabelle
Jack Smith up.
MisterForkbeard
@David Anderson: Cheesebro is (unofficially) named! Score.
Jeff Clark isn’t surprising at all. I hope these assholes (and that Stephen Miller is the consultant) all get charged once Trump’s trial is underway.
trollhattan
Tomorrow, whilst nursing the hangover, treat yourself to “Reservation Dogs” Season 3, the final installment.
Kathleen
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I have a sick sense of humor but that piece you posted would make a great satiric comedy sketch “So Who Wants To Date A Fascist”. And here are tonight’s contestants! Behind Door #1, is Conspirator 1, (add the rest of the paragraph.) Mark Burnett would produce it and NBC would air it in a heartbeat. Hmm. I may work on this. I wrote a sketch called “So You Want To Marry A Corporation!”, but the tech giant left the contestant for a slutty Silicon Valley start up.
smith
About the judge:
HumboldtBlue
I think you’ll find this song is the perfect song for felony Tuesday!
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
Is Ginni T the political consultant co-conspirator?
Elizabelle
Fueled by lies. Lies by the defendant.
MisterForkbeard
@Elizabelle: I’m REALLY sad that my favorite bar is only open Friday->Sunday.
Just gonna have to make my own drinks tonight. Pity.
Tinare
@smith: Sounds good.
trollhattan
Did his minions take away all of Donny’s phones? I expect some broken caps locks tonight.
p.a.
Anyone got the stomach to watch Fux? Are they going with: Hunter Biden’s links to Zyklon B or some such puke instead of the indictments?
Bill Arnold
@Kay:
Might she be the political Consultant? :-)
(Just throwing that out for the laughs.) ETA scooped by Formerly disgruntled in Oregon, but many people must be having this thought, while they sip another drink.
Quinerly
@MazeDancer:
I have a slight crush on Andrew Weissman. Don’t tell anyone.
PaulWartenberg
@MazeDancer:
The Speedy Trial Act was invoked in the Mar-A-Lago case, but given the judge there – Cannon – it was clear it would get delayed outward. If there’s any satisfaction there it’s that the trial is still in May 2024 well before the general election.
A speedy trial here will NOT have the reasons for delay – the classified docs clearance that the lawyers need – so the hope is that THIS trial will be set for November without delay.
My question is, will these charges be helpful in blocking trump from campaigning under the 14th Amendment?
Kathleen
@different-church-lady: Like the Airing Of The Grievances at Festivus sans Feats Of Strength.
Baud
@Bill Arnold:
Hard to believe that won’t be Bannon or Stone. But we’ll see.
MomSense
@PaulWartenberg:
Tonight may be a 2 glasses of wine night! No driving for me, though.
M31
@Roger Moore: Love that list of co-conspirators, it’s like the Dramatis Personae of an Agatha Christie mystery
1. Major Eustace Blackenthaller, the club bore, whose tedious stories of his unlikely exploits in India made everyone want to kill him,
2. Lord Crumblyshire, Earl of Toad-in-the-Hole County, Sussex, whose overbearing nature made everyone want to kill him,
etc.
Elizabelle
Smith says there can be more charges.
Alison Rose
Whyyyyyy do they babble questions at him when they were told he would not answer questions? Fucking babies.
Also, poor Jack. Man looks like he needs a nap for about 4 days.
smith
@PaulWartenberg: I saw somewhere that Alvin Bragg might be willing to delay his case to help clear the decks for this one.
Manyakitty
@David Anderson: Lock. Him. Up.
Bill Arnold
@Baud:
Either would make me smile. Stone would make me grin big.
Tinare
@Alison Rose: He looks like he is not very comfortable making statements outside of court.
Kathleen
@Cameron: Oooh Ooooh! Even better! Audience votes for the one who lives. Then a cadre of goons tries to overturn their votes! Whoever survives the stoning wins!
dmsilev
@Elizabelle:
<Oprah> You get an indictment! and you get an indictment! and you get an indictment! EVERYBODY gets an indictment!</Oprah>
MazeDancer
@BeautifulPlumage
All her cases after Sept being reassigned one imagines
@dmsilev:
Loser with a Cap L
Guessing there will be ample evidence that Trump stone, cold knew he had lost, too.
geg6
@rmjohnston:
I too believe there will be superseding indictments but I don’t see these as tame. Conspiring to deprive millions of people, including me and presumably you, of their legal votes is pretty serious shit on my list. Probably too 5; definitely top 10.
Elizabelle
I like that Jack Smith praised those who have been working on these cases, in numerous states, and spoke of the “women and men.”
Props to Fani Willis and Letitia James.
Ruckus
@HumboldtBlue:
Taco Tuesday!!!!
Quinerly
@MomSense:
I’m cuing up some Gin and Tonics, double lime with 3 dashes of Peychauds
Sister Golden Bear
🎶 Re-indicted and it feels so good / Re-indicted like we knew Jack would 🎵
Kathleen
@Baud: Empty podiums are people, too, my friend.
MomSense
@HumboldtBlue:
Oooh that’s fun! Or we could go with the classic “bad boys bad boys whatcha gonna do”
Elizabelle
@dmsilev: You bet!
Georgia says: hold my peach schnapps.
Tinare
@Sister Golden Bear: Bravo!
brantl
@CaseyL: Dudy Ghouliani?
geg6
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yeah, isn’t it? He’s been very quiet lately. Flipped? Magic 8 Ball says very likely, I think.
Elizabelle
@Quinerly: Interesting. Never tried Peychaud’s in a G&T. Usually Rose’s Lime Juice.
Goes on the list for August.
Anoniminous
I’m wondering where Trump is going to get the money to pay for all the lawyers he’s going to need.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Elizabelle:
I think we all remember the “superseding indictment” in the classified documents case from just a few days ago. All along, I’ve heard lawyers mention that prosecutors can always file superseding indictments, but they talked about it like it was kind of an anti-climax.
Not when Jack Smith does it. That little minor update occupied the news all weekend.
Smith (indictment #1): “There were these 31 classified documents he was hoarding. Also listen to this tape where he appears to have another classified document he’s showing uncleared people.”
TFG: “There was no document. Plans? Those were plans for a golf course! Smith has nothing on me. Nothing, I tell you!”
Smith (superseding indictment): “Oh a minor update. Here’s document #32, the one he was waving around on that audio tape.”
He is exactly the right prosecutor for this job. A master at the psychological warfare element of it.
Kathleen
@Kay: I’m glad, too. Yes. Ashamed she is from my home town of Omaha.
Noskilz
The week is definitely looking up!
Ruckus
@Alison Rose:
We could all scream it together….
Hell that might make his head explode. Aw well great dreams often don’t come true….
brantl
@dmsilev: Rudy WAS an attorney, hasn’t he been disbarred, yet?
sphex
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Thank you so much for the link to the whole thing!
hueyplong
Loved J Smith’s demeanor. Kind of like a very much controlled anger.
boatboy_srq
@Sister Golden Bear: And they’re coming to take him away hoho heehee haha
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Kay: I took it kind of personally every time Giuliani got on TV and explained why my vote and my wife’s in southeastern PA should be thrown out.
mvr
Another nice feature of the single indictment leading to a quicker trial is that the pressure will be on the co-conspirators to cooperate. After the trial is over they will have little to trade with so they have to make up their minds quickly and well before the election where they will be hoping Trump is elected and will then pardon them.
Elizabelle
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Smith is used to war criminals.
Which is what we have here.
WaterGirl
@BeautifulPlumage: WaterGirl is in the same boat as Betty Cracker!
Crazy deadline for Friday. Worked 11.5 hours yesterday, should do the same today. Ugh.
Cake will have to wait.
ian
Only the best people
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Anoniminous: Rhymes with Tussia
MazeDancer
And you know what else happens this month?
Fani Willis indictments!
prostratedragon
I think this indictment smiled at me. “At Last”
Baud
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
Prussia?
mvr
@WaterGirl: That’s a shame.
geg6
@Alison Rose:
🤣🤣🤣 I am ded.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Aw. When I’m president, my DOJ will work around your schedule.
Kay
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
I did too. And what they did in Detroit! Just this shameless declaration that they needed to throw out votes.
Ruckus
@Betty Cracker:
I haven’t had an alcoholic drink in over 20 yrs.
This might just be a good reason.
It might be far more satisfying after the trial.
MazeDancer
@mvr: Ooh…good point.
Watching Trump go down means the co-conspirators running out of time to step up.
Tinare
Garland to speak.
Sheldon Vogt
So, if Ginni Thomas isn’t one of the unindicted co-conspirators, might we see her later?
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Jack Smith or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Summer of Indictments
Spadizzly
Merrick Garland to speak soon.
Baud
@Tinare:
“Who’s feckless now, bitches?”
Manyakitty
@Delk: 🎶 we’re gonna sing and dance in celebration 🎶🎉🎉🎉
geg6
@Kay:
Though I know it’s very unlikely, how delicious would it be if Ginni is the political consultant to be named later?
Quinerly
@Elizabelle:
Technically, it’s called a “St. Charles.”
A few years back, my hobby du jour was old school cocktails. Learning about them, mixing them, and throwing cocktail themed parties. 1/2 my guests didn’t go to work after my “Soixante Quinze” Party.
Alison Rose
@Ruckus: I don’t drink at all and never have, but this is a time when I wish I could knock back a little champagne. I should have prepared and added some Martinelli’s sparkling cider to my last Instacart order!
Tinare
@Baud: I so want that to be what he says!
Anonymous At Work
QUESTION: Won’t an “assistance of counsel” defense, as TFG has been previewing, require TFG to take the stand in order to testify as to his state of mind as he received counsel’s advice and how he reacted to it?
IAAL but never practiced, so I don’t know if there are sneaky ways to get this into a trial, but if Meadows and Molly Michael, his executive assistant, are both lined against him, I don’t see a good way forward. It’s not like Powell, Eastman, Guiliani, et alia will testify that “Yes, I knowingly gave him advice for illegal acts and kept the illegality from him and the 2000 other lawyers around him, including those testifying against him.” Each of these un-indicted (for now) coconspirators have testified in their disbarment proceedings and other situations, so there’s got to be a record of “I just advised him, TFG decided.”
Quinerly
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
❤️
MazeDancer
Full indictment at WaPo
Matt McIrvin
They indicted him so hard it knocked us into italics.
M31
@Quinerly: lol the “Soixante Quinze”, I made them a few times, *ooooof* they are good and also knock you on your ass
that’s the one named after the WWI gun the “French 75” yes?
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
Heh. Everyone is just drunk now.
mvr
@Anonymous At Work: Perhaps to convince the jury, but not as a matter of law. The state has to prove that there was a meeting of the minds to prove conspiracy and a reasonable doubt is all it takes to defeat that. (Not that the evidence here is not overwhelming and likely to grow.)
Steeplejack
@p.a.:
Now on Fox: “Fun summer salads.”
Now on the Food Network: “Trump indicted!”
(h/t old Twitter joke)
Sister Golden Bear
@Elizabelle:
Also presenting a simple case for the jury. Complicated cases can get bogged down.
Plus, I’m guessing that those who flipped aren’t getting off scot free — rather any plea deals are contingent on their testifying.
And those who didn’t flip…. well there’s plenty of time to indict them too. Additional charges for additional people at the right time could be…. persuasive in getting them to cooperate, especially if it looks like Trump won’t be there to pardon them.
Old School
@Matt McIrvin: Darn Update #2!
Edit: Italics fixed!
satby
@Matt McIrvin: yeah, WTF???
Whew, fixed.
geg6
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Same here in SW PA. Pisses me off no end.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Matt McIrvin:
I thought I was the only one that was happening to. That was weird lol
Elizabelle
@Quinerly: I have been sporadically picking through a book called “Last Night on the Titanic,” which has, among other things, a lot of recipes for the turn of the last century cocktails. Some sound delicious!
I like that they used smaller glasses, too. Supersizing has not been good for us.
Scout211
No cake for me. But I Just pulled a peach crisp out of the oven made with yummy fresh peaches. I think I will go celebratory crazy and add ice cream on top!
Yay indictment day!
David Anderson
@Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: That is the rumor
Anoniminous
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
Putin (a) has his own problems and (b) Little Donnie is beginning to reek of loser stink
Elizabelle
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I am not drinking yet. I see no italics.
Listening to MSNBC; I see Rachel promising an “Indictment Special” at 8 pm. And doesn’t that sound like an adult beverage?
Has Garland spoken yet?
lowtechcyclist
Is Smith streaming anywhere for those of us who don’t have cable TV?
Elizabelle
@David Anderson: Ginni being charged would be great for forcing her deplorable husband to recuse. Eventually. If any case ever makes it there.
WaterGirl
@Tinare: Garland to speak? Where can we watch?
Anonymous At Work
@mvr: Meeting of the minds is easier here because “I think Sidney Powell is nuts” is immaterial if TFG thought she’d do X if allowed and then she did X. That’s the meeting of the minds.
So, I’m trying to think ahead of how defense would show “She’s the real deal” as Trump’s “real” inner monologue, without Trump testifying.
Quinerly
@Elizabelle:
The Sazerac is my favorite winter cocktail. With rye, not bourbon. And, I leave some absinthe in the glass…instead of just the wash.
M31
@lowtechcyclist: here’s a youtube clip, starts at the 17 min or so mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4zvFKzoSEU
Delk
@Manyakitty: 😁
satby
@Elizabelle: the whole blog was in italics for about 90 seconds. Weird.
Elizabelle
@lowtechcyclist: Allegedly on C-Span. FWIW, I just heard his remarks; did not see them.
I don’t have cable either.
For MSNBC: look for Rocking Rooster. Free online stream.
https://livenewschat.eu/politics/?wpmeteordisable=menu
Elizabelle
@satby: FYWP was celebrating!
Quiltingfool
I knew it was a good day to make chocolate chip pie! Well, I WANTED a chocolate chip pie, had no idea it would be a celebration pie!
Today has been a very good day. This is my last month to pay my health insurance premium, as I and Medicare both turn 65 this year, so more money to spend on fabric. I made good progress on quilting a ginormous quilt (it’s about 115” x 115” and it’s taking a long time as I am doing ruler work – outlining the blocks, it’s tedious). AND chocolate chip pie!
Best of all – TFG indicted. I agree with Kay, the indictment for depriving citizens of their civil rights – my favorite. Don’t fuck with my vote.
Sort of off topic, but not. A couple of days ago, I was reading LGM comments, and someone came up with a new word – “Jacksmith.” Like, “Ooh, the Ferret-headed Shitgibbon is going to be Jacksmithed!”
I know several of you can come up with more creative uses of Jacksmith than I!
geg6
@Scout211:
Yeah, though I’d love to drink a bottle of vino to celebrate, I have too much to do at work tomorrow and several of my work colleagues will be absent, so it will only be two of us holding down the fort and getting drunk tonight won’t be helpful. So I have a pint of ice cream with the ingredients of a Nutty Buddy stirred in that I’m gonna break out later. That’s almost as good as a nice Pinot.
Quinerly
@M31:
Yes. The crowd at my old house that ended up so sick was knocking them back. I was serving traditional way in champagne glasses. The looks were priceless when someone asked what was in it….Gin and champagne.
mvr
@Anonymous At Work: I think chain connections through other conspirators would work. She worked together with Guilliani on a good bit of the action here.
(If I agree w you to do my bit to accomplish X and you agree with why to do your joint bit to accomplish X I think we still have a conspiracy to accomplish X. We don’t all have to be in the same room at the same time to conspire – I think but don’t know for sure.)
XYZ123
@CaseyL:
The people who fit the descriptions of the six unnamed co-conspirators listed in the indictment are:
Jeffro
@Baud: that too
“now…step back a bit, kiddos…the fumes from Grandpa’s pipe are about to get a little big stronger than usual, but that’s okay because Smithmas!”
XYZ123
@SoupCatcher: 100% certain.
gwangung
@WaterGirl: Wouldn’t this be an occasion to order out at the bakery?
smith
How’s this for sweet irony? Not only is the assigned judge a woman and an Obama appointee, she’s POC and an immigrant (from Jamaica).
Alison Rose
@WaterGirl: It was just a minute or two to reporters outside.
MazeDancer
@lowtechcyclist:
You can stream MSNBC free here.
Watchng it now. Will be watching it for the special at 8.
M31
Dark Brandon leans back on his iron throne
and smiles
mvr
@gwangung: The bakery which has been stocking up on indictment cakes for just this eventuality. (Could happen; WaterGirl lives in Illinois and not Nebraska where there are no plausible candidates for the relevant bakery.)
geg6
@smith:
Love it! Karma’s a bitch.
NotMax
@Kathleen
Something like this?
:) //
Burnspbesq
@rmjohnston:
Gotta disagree about the charges. These will be relatively easy to present to a jury, and carry what is effectively a life sentence for a morbidly obese guy in his 70s. Don’t need anything more.
Baud
@M31:
Fixed.
Scout211
This from NBC
I think we’ve all been speculating about how that went down.
Jeffro
Kevin McCarthy is STILL trying his rubber-spiked best to defend the Orange One – unreal! Note that now he is an “ardent supporter” of trumpov:
Oh Kev, Kev, Kev…I think it was Adam Schiff who said something about “being tied to trumpov with a cord of steel for all time” but I might be paraphrasing here…
LOLOL
patrick II
FOX NEWS Special Report
Trump campaign immediately sent out a campaign fund request.
House majority leader McCarthy: Hunter Biden blah, blah, blah.
Baud
@patrick II:
He’s going to need it.
mvr
@Jeffro:
Isn’t Kevin going to be a witness?
Quinerly
Eastman has admitted he is an unindicted co conspirator.
He and his wife live in Santa Fe. Their neighbors have been staging protests in front of their house off of Bishops Lodge Road for at least a year.
https://www.abqjournal.com/news/local/trump-lawyer-john-eastman-and-his-wife-have-ties-to-new-mexico-that-go-back/article_9fbd400e-8057-54e3-8748-16e185548fb7.html
Jeffro
this is me, completely
LOLOL
Anotherlurker
Enjoying an Anchor Steam and savoring the flop sweat and bitter tears coming from the fascist party.
I hope trump has developed an ulcer and a severe case of Shingles from all the karma catching up with him.
Elizabelle
@Burnspbesq: Yes! And TFG needs to go to prison.
I have never thought he would escape unscathed.
Citizen Scientist
Personally, I am hoping that our friend Ginni T. is cc #6, but I have a feeling we won’t be that lucky.
rikyrah
@bbleh:
😂😂😂😂😂
Quinerly
@Anotherlurker:
Did you stockpile a stash? That was one of my late 1980’s beers.
Burnspbesq
@Omnes Omnibus:
Occam’s razor sez Meadows is cooperating. It also makes Trump’s recent trip to Asheville look like a potential case of witness tampering.
MomSense
No cake for me, but I decided to stop and get some sushi to bring home. I rarely get it now because my mom doesn’t like it. She’s already eaten so tonight I’m going to enjoy.
Jeffro
@Sister Golden Bear: win!
@Elizabelle: Win!
@Alison Rose: WIN!
For what it’s worth, I have my trump “dirty fucker” t-shirt on, the one I only break out for bigly indictment days! =)
persistentillusion
@MazeDancer: What’s she doing at Smith?
Bill Arnold
@Jeffro:
Kevin McCarthy is Donald J. Trump’s dick remora.
rikyrah
@Omnes Omnibus:
Cause he sang like a canary 🎤🎤🎤🎤
XYZ123
Ooh. Somebody reminded me that Stephen Miller is the political consultant who fits the description of unnamed co-conspirator No. 6.
So, the list is:
Alison Rose
LOL Ari Melber called it a “shouting indictment”.
Elizabelle
Is Joy Reid going to apologize for all the disparagement of Merrick Garland? Who is not just a bystander?
SFBayAreaGal
@Baud: There you go showing off again 😉
Jeffro
@Citizen Scientist: if Ginni is #6 and gets indicted, I’m drawing up my will. I’ll keel over from the sheer, unrestrained joy of it all.
cain
@Alison Rose: Looking for the Fox News chryon where they have Donald Trump (D) in it :D
NotMax
@XYZ123
#6 Peter Navarro, at first impression.
trollhattan
@Jeffro: Still have my Bad Hombre shirt somewhere.
Mike in NC
But did special prosecutor Jack Smith have tears in his eyes as he read the indictments?
Elizabelle
What does “Shouting Indictment” mean??
JPL
@Quiltingfool: Enjoy the pie!
CaseyL
No booze or actual cake for me, but I made a batch of Not Corn Bread (a bread mix for diabetics/keto fans) and to my total surprise the end result is quite good!
…I devoured three slices; that’s how good. With butter and a tiny little bit of honey.
The rest will go into the fridge and, hopefully, will still be good cold, or good reheated in the microwave.
Alison Rose
@Elizabelle: It’s a play on the term “speaking indictment”. He was saying it was a rather loud speaking indictment :)
different-church-lady
@Quinerly: It was originally a cognac cocktail.
Omnes Omnibus
@Elizabelle:
A speaking indictment is an indictment with a strong narrative element. Shouting indictment is a play on that.
Mousebumples
CaseyL
@NotMax:
That would get a happy dance from me.
@Elizabelle:
It’s a play on the term “speaking indictment,” which is an indictment that lays out the charges in a narrative style and chronological order.
trollhattan
Three quiet years, shattered?
I, for one, cannot wait.
JPL
I’m trying to catch up on all the news, since the grand imps were here.
trump is comparing himself to stuff that happened in Nazi German and the Soviet Union.
NotMax
Too early to break out the booze so breaking about some Donovan in the interim.
;)
Jeffro
and then there’s this: RFK Jr super PAC got half of its funds from a GOP megadonor
more of this please, snooze media! get the word out!
Matt McIrvin
I like that the charges are simple and the indictment lays out the entire story of the coup plot in easy-to-understand terms, emphasizing that everyone is lying about everything over and over and over. It’s a good read.
Alison Rose
@Mousebumples: LOLOL!!
Steeplejack
@Elizabelle:
What others have said. “Speaking indictment” is a term of legal art, and Melber was taking it up a notch.
MazeDancer
@persistentillusion: Rachel lives in Northampton.
She has spoken now and again at Smith. But Northampton is a lively town where Smith is no longer the main employer.
Burnspbesq
@Anonymous At Work:
Yup. It’s also a blanket waiver of attorney-client privilege.
MisterForkbeard
@XYZ123: I really hope it’s Stephen Miller. Dude deserves to go to jail just on moral grounds, but if they indict him later for this I’d be really happy.
He ALSO looks like he drowns kittens for fun, but that’s not proved. Yet.
Alison Rose
@trollhattan: LOL California Republicans. Close to being added to the endangered species list.
CaseyL
From Cory Rayburn Young, on Mastodon:
Bobby Thomson
@XYZ123: 5 is Chesebro. You can tell from other allegations in the indictment.
NotMax
#287:
breaking about = breaking out
Mai Naem mobileI
@Eolirin: yes, this. Biggs and Gosar. Add in Perry, Gaetz and MTG and you don’t have a GOP majority. And I am not even considering Santos.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack: Thank you.
Alison Rose
LOL Pence telling Trump “girl bye”. But of course also having to gets in digs at Biden.
Jeffro
@Matt McIrvin: I have a feeling that lying in all its forms is the thing that Jack Smith was put here on Earth to destroy.
He picked the right guy to start with.
HumboldtBlue
@Mousebumples:
Summer Blockbuster!!!
Jeffro
@Alison Rose: yup! LOL
Whole new ballgame, GOP…think about your next steps carefully!
(offer does not extend to Kevin “it’s all a distraction from Hunter Biden!” McCarthy)
Elizabelle
Thank you, jackals, on speaking and shouting indictments.
I think Jack Smith’s speaking indictment is brilliant. Spell it out clearly, not a lot of lawyerese.
Average Americans, and the defendant, can understand the language.
Mai Naem mobileI
@XYZ123: i thought Miller was working at the WH till the end. I am assuming the political consultant was an outside consultant not a WH employee. I was thinking it was Bannon.
SFBayAreaGal
@Kay: Her and Flynn are two more I would like to see in Iron and chains.
Elizabelle
I don’t think all one third of American adults believe Trump’s lies. I think they are stubborn gits who don’t want to admit they got it wrong, and won’t back down. But in their hearts, or their intellect … I think many of them do not believe.
H.E.Wolf
@CaseyL:
Yes: thanks to the wonders of Google and Wikipedia, the first 5 co-conspirators are 99%* likely to be:
1. Rudy Giuliani
2. John Eastman
3. Sidney Powell
4. Jeffrey Clark
5. Kenneth Chesebro
I’m still working on the 6th.
* I think it’s 100% likely, but I don’t want to get out over my skis. :)
Dahlia
@M31: Can I get the recipe for those cookies please?
Dahlia
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: I prefer Nemesis.
Steeplejack
@Alison Rose:
What an empty suit.
brantl
@Kathleen: Rotating tag nomination!
David Anderson
@CaseyL: Don’t think it is Mitchell for #6 as she is an attorney first and foremost who does politics rather than a political consultant….
Ann Marie
@Anoniminous: Especially with the “Client is a loud-mouth uncooperative asshole” add-on fee any smart firm would charge him.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Elizabelle:
Common cult dynamic. Realizing the cult leader is a con man also means realizing you gave years of your life, perhaps your kids lives, your life savings, etc, to a con man. Big step to admit all that to yourself.
But when people are able to break away, they tend to be very VERY angry. At themselves, but also at the cult leader.
Roger Moore
@Alison Rose:
I won’t be happy until there are more delta smelt in California than Republicans.
H.E.Wolf
@H.E.Wolf:
I see that Business Insider scooped me on the first 5!
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-are-trump-co-conspirators-january-6-indictment-2023-8
… and they can’t identify #6 with certainty, either.
Jeffro
On a lark, I just searched some of my old emails trying to tell my RWNJ dad and brother that with trump, it would eventually come to this.
No shit, I found this piece from the NYT, August 2018: The Full-Spectrum Corruption of Donald Trump (link is gifted)
I am going to rub their fucking noses in it until the end of time, or until they admit that from 2015 onwards, I…we…were right.
lowtechcyclist
@Jeffro:
We needed an American equivalent to Guy Fawkes Day.
Say, didn’t Watergate’s “smoking gun” tape come out right about this time of year?
Mr. Bemused Senior
@NotMax:
You might enjoy
Al Kooper
You Can’t Always Get What You Want + Season of the Witch.
Seems like an appropriate combination.
persistentillusion
@MazeDancer: Thanks, I learned something today. It was a zippy town back in the 70s, too. At least to a suburban Chicago girl.
Mai Naem mobileI
@Alison Rose: she’s also black. There’s just some poetic justice in him getting a black female judge. Being an Obama appointee is just a cherry on top.
smith
@lowtechcyclist: Nixon resigned August 9. Good date for Fani Willis to shoot for?
different-church-lady
@Alison Rose: Jeez, all you do is encourage people to kill a guy and he turns on you.
NotMax
Do feel a twinge of sympathy toward the custodial staff at Bedminster.
They’ll be squeegeeing ketchup off walls for weeks.
cain
@David Anderson:
MORTAL KOMBATTT!!!
Alison Rose
@different-church-lady: I know! So disloyal. Tsk tsk.
cain
@trollhattan:
Just so you know – today is Lughnasadh – a wiccan harvest holiday. It’s all a super full moon – so extra luck.
Just remember – reap what you sow, MOTHERFUCKER!
Mike in NC
Washington Post online headline tonight is a thing of beauty.
cain
@RevDocEDJ:
sung to Brittany Spears, “Oops, I did it again”
🎝 Oops, indicated again – Jack, let you believe that you can get away with it. Jack just gave it a push, Trump didn’t know.. it was so serioooouus 🎝
lowtechcyclist
Let’s go with a little Burton Cummings:
He’s come undun
He didn’t know what he was headed for
And when he found what he was headed for
It was too late
It’s too late, he’s gone too far, he’s lost the sun, he’s come undun
.
Origuy
Has no one mentioned that today is the festival of Lughnasadh, the beginning of harvest in the Celtic calenday? It used to involve the sacrifice of a bull. Today we sacrifice a bullshitter
ETA Oops, cain beat me to it.
Dahlia
“I will honor Smithmas in my heart and try to keep it all the year.”
Scout211
I clicked on the WaPo site to find out what the thing of beauty was and was confronted with this:
Joe Klein. Still an asshole.
Anonymous At Work
@mvr: Meeting of the minds doesn’t have to be in same place and time, iirc. Telling Guiliani to work with Sidney on X, and Sidney undertakes steps to do X, you have a conspiracy. Chains work for Smith’s side.
What would you need to show on TFG’s side without calling TFG, Guiliani or Powell to witness stand? As a defense attorney, I’d be chewing cyanide capsules by the dozen before letting my client put any of them on the witness stand.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
Finally. May these criminals get everything they deserve.
Baud
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:
Unfortunately, the constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.
Alison Rose
@Elizabelle: She actually did! To a degree, but she did.
Another Scott
Good, good.
It would be interesting if Mr. Pillow got an indictment.
Now to read the comments…
Cheers,
Scott.
Miss Bianca
@Sister Golden Bear:
He’s so indicted/and he just can’t hide it/he’s about to lose it all, and I THINK I LIKE IT!
Let’s get indicted!
Elizabelle
I think a fresh thread, on this topic, would be minty. I shall be watching Rachel Maddow at 8, and hoping that she doesn’t drag out her delivery so much.
lowtechcyclist
@Anonymous At Work:
Or how about the Queen of Soul?
Chain chain chain, chain chain chain,
chain chain chain, chain of fools
Baud
@Elizabelle:
Just tune in at 8:30.
Kent
Both Eastman and Clark are also attorneys I think. And of course there is Giuliani.
Elizabelle
@Baud: Yeah, really! LOL.
But want to get out on a dog walk about that time. Gorgeous moon should be up about 9 tonight.
Alison Rose
JFC I really wish Nixon hadn’t resigned and he had been prosecuted just so there would be less of this “OMG THIS IS SO HISTORIC YOU GUYS!!!!” crap happening. Like, we fucking know. So what???
Manyakitty
@Quinerly: he’s my favorite mean girl. Every once in a while he lets loose with this evil snicker and I am HERE for it.
Elizabelle
@Alison Rose: Agreed. Tiresome shit.
Steeplejack
@Dahlia:
“This is the way.”
(Mandalorian.)
Kent
Of course DeSantis is exposing his constitutional illiteracy by saying it is unfair to hold the trial in Washington DC.
No dipshit, the Constitution demands it:
Article 3 section 2 (Judiciary) clearly states: The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed;
And the 8th Amendment clearly states: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law,
You don’t want to face a Washington DC jury? Don’t commit crimes in Washington DC.
Mike in NC
Has anybody said yet that this is ‘good news for Ron DeSantis’?
Old School
@Mike in NC:
I’ll assume “Trump charged for efforts to overturn 2020 election” wasn’t the thing of beauty.
What did it say?
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Harry Litman thinks conspirator #6 is Steve Bannon.https://youtu.be/4WT3bFT25UA?t=245
Link isn’t going to the right timestamp but it’s about 4:05.
Jackie
@NotMax: Maybe they hid the ketchup in anticipation. Although if TIFG is like me, I can’t eat when I’m distraught.
But I think he’s the kind to stress eat.
Jackie
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: I think it’s Peter Navarro. Creator of The Green Bay Sweep aka enlisting the fake electors.
Anonymous At Work
@Mai Naem mobileI: Wrong Miller. CNN is reporting that it is JASON MILLER as #6.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-2020-election-probe-08-01-23/h_a7292a87d581f751e6ebd5e646d8891f
Ken
I already took my walk, and didn’t see the huge crowds of angry supporters Trump said would be protesting the indictment. They probably need more time to get organized, and to decide which of them are FBI informants. So you should be safe for at least the early part of the
eveningcentury.zhena gogolia
@Baud: We were out to dinner through the whole fucking thing!
kalakal
I want 2 things.
By the time this is all over I want it to have decimated the upper ranks of the GOP: TFG & his odious family, various operatives, advisors, consultants ex officials and sundry congress critters .
A tumbril put to use
MomSense
@cain:
Rocky Mountain Mike has a song called I’m So Indicted set to I’m so excited. Sooo funny.
He has so many great song parodies.
dww44
@Elizabelle: I credit Jack Smith and his laser focused team for today’s results and the earlier ones . It should have happened a year ago. That lack of action can clearly be laid on the AG’s doorstep. As my SO said a few minutes ago Merrick Garland should be on the SC. As one who’s been of the same mind as Reid and others for many months, his apparent caution about holding Trump directly accountable has put us in this place where Trump’s delaying tactics may bear more fruit for Trump himself and currently has us looking at Trump ‘s possible re-election.
Justice delayed really can result in its denial. I don’t know who finally convinced Garland to go the Special Counsel route with Jack Smith. I applaud whoever that was, including if it was the AG himself.
zhena gogolia
@dww44: Goddammit.
Smith is building on what the DOJ already did. He named Smith when TFG declared his candidacy. Do you pay any attention to any of this?
moonbat
I trotted right down to the liquor store with the puppers to pick up a fine Scotch to toast Mr. Smith and this brilliant 45-page indictment.
That the judge chosen to hear these charges is the Right Honorable “The President is not a king. The defendant is not President” is just chef’s kiss.
Thank you, Jack! You have given me hope that this country is salvageable after all.
Glidwrith
It’s too hot to make the galette recipe Watergirl gave to me, so it will be Scalzi’s schadenfreude pie!
Jackie
For those too busy to celebrate today, this Thursday is ARRAIGNMENT Day. Clear your calendars! Stock up on celebratory beverages, cake, ice cream and popcorn!
gwangung
@dww44: This seems REALLY ill informed.
What is the average time to bring a case against, say, mobsters or high level businessmen? Do you have an inkling? And do you grok that people with money and power use it to slow down the case, starting with evidence gathering and going on through the steps of the trial?
lowtechcyclist
I wish you were beautiful.
SFBayAreaGal
@Alison Rose: Me too. I wanted him charged.
horatius
@Jeffro: Rodent Fornicator Kennedy
Glory b
@Alison Rose: Well, it should actually be “bitches.”
dww44
@zhena gogolia: I’d say that I do and have done from the getgo. The fact that I disagree with the majority take at B J doesn’t mean that I’m not paying attention nor does it necessarily mean that I am wrong. I remember the surprise and dismay on the part of many when it became apparent that Main Justice was relying on the Jan 6 investigations and that it obviously had not already been undertaking its own. It took a year and a half to get to the end of the Jan 6 hearings and only then does the real work to hold Trump accountable actually get underway. Before then they were going after the little fish. I don’t remember where I read this but there was a report that Garland and his deputy AG had met early on and decided that there was no appetite in the country to go after Trump.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@dww44: is Jeffrey Clarke a “little fish”?
Ruckus
@Alison Rose:
I stopped over 20 yrs ago.
Wasn’t much of a drinker but noticed that I had upped my weekly quota without paying any attention so I stopped. I’ve know too many that went down that road and if one does it often becomes somewhere along the way a one way road with no speed limit. I worked for a guy like that almost 2 decades ago but he’s not the only drunk I’ve seen in the making, and I didn’t want to see another one, especially in the mirror. Haven’t actually missed it at all except my wallet is a bit heavier
I knew a few guys in the navy who seemed to breathe alcohol rather than oxygen. It wasn’t all that pretty.
Ruckus
@zhena gogolia:
No, he does not seem to…..
dww44
@gwangung: I’m not ill informed. I do understand that people with money and power will gum up the works as much as they can:hence the concern that the indictment 2 1/2 years into the administration puts the indicted in a better position to avoid accountability thanks to the cover of running for office. Which, in turn, increases the possibility of him being re-elected and thereby in a position to put the final kibosh to our democracy. A position that might have been less likely a year ago. One year less of his having the opportunity to solidify his support among the MAGA’s and GOP primary voters. As a matter of fact Lawrence Tribe on LOD right now agrees.
dww44
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: No he’s not but he wasn’t indicted by the Justice Department. I believe the District of Columbia bar went after his law license in July of 2022 and he stalled and delayed the hearing until quite recently.
Kathleen
@NotMax: Ha! Yes!