Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

Putin dreamed of ending NATO, and now it’s Finnish-ed.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

Fuck that bum, let’s go Joe!

There are more Russians standing up to Putin than Republicans.

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Nothing worth doing is easy.

Bad news for Ron DeSantis is great news for America.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

The frogs are rarely mistaken.

You come for women, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.

The republican speaker is a slippery little devil.

Live so that if you miss a day of work people aren’t hoping you’re dead.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

They think we are photo bombing their nice little lives.

“Why isn’t this Snickers bar only a nickel?”

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  3. 3.

    Betty Cracker

    We are watching baseball, which has gotten us through many an angsty election season, but I decided to pop over here to see if there was any word on OH. Only the best damn word! Woohoo!

  4. 4.

    Hoppie

    Was born in Springfield (because Yellow Springs didn’t have a hospital), but left when I was 17.  Ohio for the win!  Kay, congrats!

  5. 5.

    Raoul Paste

    I did the postcards to voters for this election

    Ohio, you are welcome.  But seriously, thank goodness.

  7. 7.

    Nukular Biskits

    I predict that here in MS, the Republican-controlled legislature will attempt to pull the same trick as did OH Republicans.

    For those not in the know, MS currently does not have a ballot initiative process (long story).  The Leg supposedly attempted to come up with one that met court muster but negotiations fell apart when they started squabbling over what issues would be mandatorily excluded (such as abortion rights).

  12. 12.

    Danielx

    Most excellent.

    Edit: no ballot initiatives in my fair state (Indiana). God forbid voters have any direct say on issues such as abortion.

  16. 16.

    geg6

    Beautiful to see.  My neighbors there in the Buckeye State have been giving me the heebie jeebies the past few years.  I did some postcards for this and am very happy.

  17. 17.

    dmsilev

    That’s a “not even close” result. Congratulations to everyone involved. Bodes well for the actual abortion referendum in the fall as well.

  19. 19.

    mac8

    Thank freaking goodness my state hasn’t gone completely round the bend. I couldn’t help but be anxious, even though I knew that a lot of people here saw through the lies for the naked power grab it was — Democrats and Republicans both.

    I honestly think holding the election in August hurt them. “Oh, you are going to ban August elections because they don’t have high turnout and then schedule this for an August election?”

    I’m going to let myself hope this pushed some former republican voters to finally get over their hang-ups about voting for Democrats, too. That’s definitely a reach for some of my fellow Ohioans, but everyone has their tipping point.

  20. 20.

    cain

    @Suzanne: You know the reaction from the GOP is to try something else and basically defy the will of the voters or ignore it altogether.

  23. 23.

    Gregory

    That result was fast and definitive.

    And bad news for Republicans: There are more of us than there are of them, and we don’t like out democracy taken away.

  25. 25.

    grumbles

    Yay! So glad. And very good to see it wasn’t even close.

    I’m from Ohio, most of my remaining family is there, which is why I’m not. But regardless of how they choose to use their agency, they have it, Republicans be damned.

  27. 27.

    Kathleen

    I’m on Blue Ohio call and David Pepper and some other professional consultants are still waiting to call it. This is great call. Nancy Pelosi and Jaimie Harrison were on the call! Concy and Columbus papers called it.

  29. 29.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Speaking of campaign failures:

    This exclusive @MarcACaputo story on the DeSantis campaign shakeup — Ron and Casey fired their campaign manager today — contains a key phrase about the replacement campaign manager:"…he has no campaign experience."This should end well.https://t.co/JgGGnNBUdO pic.twitter.com/CNis1U8hFE

    — Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) August 8, 2023

    DeSaster thinks the dogs will eat the food if they change the label on the can.

  30. 30.

    Suzanne

    @cain: There’s always a shady strategy. Some “smart guys” have already floated restricting voting to parents.

  32. 32.

    Redshift

    @Baud:

    It tells you even they don’t trust they have the public on this issue.

    It tells you they know they don’t.

    I read something a few weeks ago, where some GOP “strategist” was trying to claim that Dobbs wouldn’t have any effect on upcoming elections, and in fact, it didn’t really have much effect on the midterms. It was hilarious, the flop sweat was palpable. But I guess if you have no chance of convincing your party to change course, making shit up is all you have left.

  33. 33.

    Kathleen

    @Raoul Paste: yes thank you and other Juicers who pitched in. People on this call are from all over the country and the number of groups who helped is amazing. One of the more salient points made by 2 experienced activists was that there are signs that the old coalition that elected Dems is starting to come back together.

  36. 36.

    Kathleen

    @Redshift: one of our state reps who talked to people at the polls and while canvassing said many Republicans were voting no. Also they’re noting on the call that normally uber red precincts are seeing smaller margins between the Yes and No votes even though Yes votes won out.

  38. 38.

    columbusqueen

    Made it in to vote NO despite have dental surgery in the early morning. Was definitely worth it.

  39. 39.

    Redshift

    This result also feels encouraging for this fall’s legislative elections in VA. Abortion is definitely on the ballot, with Youngkin avoiding professing any particular views on abortion other than insisting that a 15-week ban is a “compromise”, while promising to sign anything the legislature puts in front of him if they get majorities in both houses.

  40. 40.

    Ohio Mom

    Wow. I was hoping we would win but did not dream of winning this big. Maybe there is hope for my adopted state yet.

  42. 42.

    Dan B

    @Hoppie:  19 years old for my departure.  I was so glad to get out.  Today between the judge shooting down the anti trans law and this landslide there are some bright spots.

  44. 44.

    Kathleen

    @Baud: They’re saying Sherrod still gets thst old coalition support but they wantvto replicate his success state wide. One of the experts said his biggest surprise was that support for the amendment in the red exurbs was not as strong as was expected They’re  using Vance’s campaign as a benchmark to compare results for tonight.

  47. 47.

    SpaceUnit

    Which of the NYT’s opinion models will try to spin this as a bad sign for Democrats in 2024?

  51. 51.

    Kay

    I just shut CNN off because they told me we won because Republicans didn’t like the special August election. The only voters they recognize are Republicans.

    These people are nutjobs. They absolutely refuse to admit that this shit is not popular and they refuse to acknowlege that women have political power. They will die on this hill.

  53. 53.

    Jackie

    @TaMara: I’m so hoping when all the votes are counted, the NOs will be 60% plus 1 (or more!!!) That would be poetic justice!

  58. 58.

    Kathleen

    @Jackie: They’re saying totals so far don’t reflect in person voting today in Hamilton, Franklin and Cuyahoga, the three biggest Dem strongholds.

    It’s now official. Yay!!!!!!

  59. 59.

    Gin & Tonic

    I was driving around rural northeast Ohio for a couple of days last week, and saw a pretty fair number of “NO” signs, all of the standard small lawn sign size, all on residential properties. I saw far fewer “YES” signs, and they were all huge, clearly paid placements. Led me to conclude that there wasn’t that much grass-roots support for “Yes.”

  61. 61.

    p.a.

    @Kay: They will die on this hill.

     

     

    I certainly hope so.  Can’t wait ’till the numbnuts go after the 19th Amendment.  A few more national election losses and they’ll have to.

  66. 66.

    Karen

    Winning the election is great but so far, the GOP has been ignoring it or passing last minute laws to make it null and void. What will happen this time?

  74. 74.

    CaseyL

    @Karen: I heard something about a GOP lawsuit to yank the pro-choice amendment off the ballot altogether.  Can’t remember what grounds they were going to/are going to claim.  But if they’re going to go that route, they’ve got to file the suit pretty fast, since change-the-referendum-rules didn’t work.

  76. 76.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    It was fun though and Kathleen’s right- a great coalition – everyone worked and no one bitched except for yard signs because Democrats are irrationally obsessed with yard signs. Plus! Cleveland’s back!

  78. 78.

    Mel

    @Kathleen: Absolutely. Pike County os a great example. They were still a yes, but it is such a red county and the margins shifted dramatically enough on this vote that it’s clear that a notable percentage of the no votes were from Republicans.

  79. 79.

    Sure Lurkalot

    MSNBC prime time open…the Trump show. What’s wrong with these people? I realize your show is scripted but when you have good news for democracy laid at your feet, maybe run with that, our oh so liberal news channel.

  88. 88.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Whoo hooo! There might be hope for this hell state yet. I’m so happy that voters saw through this brazen power grab attempt. Our citizen-intitated amendment referendum process has worked just fine for the last 111 years, there was no legitimate reason to change it except to do it an end run around voters to prevent a vote for enshrining abortion rights in the state constitution

  90. 90.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Expect the American Fascist Party to react poorly, because they KNOW that they cannot win free and fair elections with their agenda.  The billionaire parasites who provide the dark money for AFP campaigns are not happy.  Too fuckin’ bad, assholes.

  91. 91.

    kalakal

    Mrs kalakal is from Ohio and is in a particularly good mood right now. Still lots of family there. She’s from Ross county which was 67% Trump in 2020, so far it’s 61% No.

  95. 95.

    Almost Retired

    Woo Hoo!  Maybe we shouldn’t write off Ohio (not that anyone here is).  This gives me hope.  And I’m really happy about the Hamilton County results because I think Cincinnati is one of the most underrated cities in the country.

  97. 97.

    Westyny

    @cain: If we ever get super majorities in all branches of federal and state governments that can theoretically have them, along with all executive offices, I will still happily follow a “woke” media reporting on the the last fascists being rooted out from their hidey-holes.  I guess the MSM doesn’t trust me.

  98. 98.

    CaseyL

    I’m starting to get a little nervous; with 52% of the vote counted, NO is only ahead by 15 points now.
    I don’t know how many outstanding votes are in Democratic or Dem-leaning areas, and how many are in GOP areas, but YES is gaining.
    ETA: Looking at county-by-county, it looks like YES is gaining votes in precincts where it lost; that is, YES is less behind than it was.  And in the precincts where YES won, its lead is growing.​

  99. 99.

    kalakal

    @CaseyL: Looking at the County results a lot of the small counties are done. The real biggies like Hamilton, Franklin, Cuyahoga have a long way to go and so far are showing 70%+ No. I wouldn’t panic just yet

  100. 100.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @CaseyL: If Ohio is anything like Oregon, the rural, sparsely populated counties get their totals in early, while the big urban centers take longer for complete results.

  101. 101.

    Percysowner

    @CaseyL: ​
     If it helps, a lot of the Yes counties are 80-99% counted while the No Counties are only between 30-60% range. More votes need more time to count.

  102. 102.

    Argiope

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I’m happy too, but also pissed that my tax dollars were used for this and I plan to call my R state Senator tomorrow to mention that one more time. $15 million to reduce our rights and subvert the will of voters? Maybe this supermajority just got a clue by four.  Probably not, but there’s always hope.

  103. 103.

    smith

    @CaseyL: According to NYT, right now statewide 58% of the vote is in. However, in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) only 35% has been counted, and in Hamilton (Cincinnati) only 33%. There are most likely still a fair number of No votes to be counted.

  104. 104.

    CaseyL

    @kalakal: ​

    @Villago Delenda Est: ​
    Thanks! The count I’m following is on Poltico’s site, which does not show how many votes in each county are yet to be counted. I’m very relieved to hear most of the yet-uncounted votes are in Democratic strongholds.

    @smith: ​

    @Percysowner: ​
    ETA to thank you, too! I should go over to the NYT tracker.

  105. 105.

    kalakal

    @CaseyL: Basically most of the uncounted votes are in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinatti, they’re almost certainly going to be No by a wide margin. I expect the No vote to gain as the night goes on

  110. 110.

    Soprano2

    @Kathleen: The R’s here wanted to do this but their attempt this year fell apart. Maybe this result will make them reconsider. 🤣🤣

  112. 112.

    hueyplong

    Was sure I’d see that someone had posted “The measure can still pass if Pence has the courage.”

  114. 114.

    Soprano2

    @Kay: I agree, that’s revolting, and also probably not true. If they wanted it to pass they would have voted for it regardless of when the election was held. It’s Democrats who defeated it!

  115. 115.

    Mike in NC

    Always good to hear of a win for the good guys. A few more days left in the work week to hope that Fat Bastard has a bunch of setbacks coming his way.

  119. 119.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Mike in NC: He is in the process of testing Judge Chutkan’s patience right now.  This is inadvisable, his hacks have probably told him so, but he’s a stubborn fuckin’ three year old.

  120. 120.

    Jackie

    @Sure Lurkalot: All the evening shows have covered the election on MSNBC – including celebratory interviews. Alex Wagner lead with it. Chris Hayes finished his show with it – when the AP called it.

  121. 121.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @CaseyL: The sewer that is Tiger Beat on the Potomac can be always be assumed to spin/frame everything to make things look better for the AFP that is true in reality.  Hence their failure to break down the voting returns by counties to show just how lopsided this thing is going to be.

  122. 122.

    Soprano2

    I’m at the ballgame, and they put in new field lights this summer. I wish I could post a video of them, because they’re so cool! They have lights that can change color, they “play” them when our players hit a home run. I didn’t know such a thing existed. They’re designed to fight light pollution, because they point down instead of out.

  125. 125.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @Jackie: I’m watching Alex Wagner and it was a half hour of Trump, 8 or so minutes of the Ohio election before they moved on to DeSantis. Can’t wait to see the sign off story.

    Oh, interview of Trump supporter calling for civil war. Now back to DeSantis. Pence! Tim Miller! Drink!

    Wonder why Joe Biden’s good news economic message isn’t resounding? I just have no idea!

  128. 128.

    Scout211

    [Oops. Lost my post for a minute.]

    I am letting myself feel positive tonight.

    And this poll is making me feel hopeful. (Reposted from downstairs)

    A recent poll by CNN/SSRS bodes well, when the choice is left to the voters.

    CNN — 
    Americans’ discontent with the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade remains as potent as it was a year ago, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS,with a record-high share of the public saying that they’re likely to take a candidate’s position on abortion into consideration when voting.

    A 64% majority of US adults say they disapprove of last year’s Supreme Court ruling that women do not have a constitutional right to an abortion, with half strongly disapproving – an assessment that’s almost entirely unchanged from CNN’s poll last July in the immediate wake of the decision.

  129. 129.

    Jeffro

    @Sure Lurkalot:

    it was a half hour of Trump, 8 or so minutes of the Ohio election before they moved on to DeSantis. Can’t wait to see the sign off story.

    Oh, interview of Trump supporter calling for civil war. Now back to DeSantis. Pence! Tim Miller! Drink!

    Wonder why Joe Biden’s good news economic message isn’t resounding? I just have no idea!

    Their insane antics just capture the snooze media for days/weeks/ever, don’t they?

    Meanwhile, good governance gets a *yawn *

    Stay loud, folks: it’s the only way to even come close to pulling even with the amount of attention the GOP clowns get

  130. 130.

    Jeffro

    @Scout211: needs to be the #1 campaign issue from now until whenever, followed closely by the ongoing insurrection.

    (and after that, followed closely by climate change)

    Run on these three and win bigly, Dems!

  131. 131.

    Brachiator

    @TaMara:

    Thanks for this. I saw a CNN story saying that the measure had been defeated, but it didn’t give any numbers. The margin is impressive.

    Good news from Ohio.

  133. 133.

    Fake Irishman

    Interesting results:

    traditionally heavily GOP suburban or exurban counties (Medina and Geagua near Cleveland, Delaware near Columbus and even Butler (!) near Cincinnati are voting against issue 1.

    Heavily Catholic rural counties in the west of the state (Kay knows these folks well) are voting in favor of Issue 1 at levels close to what they were supporting trump at.

  134. 134.

    Matt Smith

    Another Ohio native here. I’m not there anymore, but Ohio will always have a piece of my heart and my attention.

    My 73-y-o mother called me to celebrate the good news. She’s always been a Democrat, but never that loud about it. Since Trump came along, she’s in a permanent state of outrage.

  137. 137.

    JWR

    Great job, Repubs, for holding an election with only one issue to decide! ;

    ETA Here in CA, it’s not uncommon to have three, four, five or even six ballot initiatives to confuse us.

  138. 138.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    @Jackie: Gutfeld is hyping Musk for saying the leader of a South African group for calling for white genocide.  I had to Google this story.  About a week old.  Maybe a repeat.

  139. 139.

    Ohio Mom

    @Jackie: The Cincinnati Enquirer’s right wing commentators are taunting us sensible folks with, “You’re not going to like it when an amendment you don’t like passes by one vote!” So: nonsensical and vindictive, right on brand.

  141. 141.

    Jeffro

    @Jackie: it’s story #3 on Fox News dot com, which is surprising.

    They probably can’t make up their minds how to spin it.

  144. 144.

    Geminid

    This is wonderful news. I just wish debbie was here celebrating with us. I still miss her, and wonder what happened.

  146. 146.

    Jackie

    @Ohio Mom: I just watched a very joyful Katie Harris of Red, Wine and Blue celebrating on Alex Wagner’s show. I think she may have been enjoying the “🍷” part of her organization 😁 Not that I’m criticizing! I toasted her with my 🍷!

  148. 148.

    Kay

    David Weigel
    @daveweigel
    1h
    One of several “YES” ads that warned of children getting gender surgery w/o parental consent if it failed (bc failure makes a reprodutive rights amendment passage in November more likely)

    It is so insane how they keep repeating this lie. It’s exactly what they tried in Michigan. Identical.

  151. 151.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    @Kay: …they refuse to acknowlege that women have political power.

    May it be their doom.

  152. 152.

    Dan B

    @Fake Irishman:  Medina County, the county where I was raised, voting no?!?!  There were two Goldwater for president groups in Wadsworth, population 10K.  One was very conservative and the other was Birchers and Klan.  They loathed each other.

  154. 154.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Ohio Mom:

    It’s cute they think that’s some kind of gotcha. I’m willing to take my chances and continue to leave that decision in the hands of the voters. It’s worked just fine for the last 111 years.

    @Geminid:

    Me too! Hope she’s doing fine wherever she is.

    @Kay:

    I just wish these people would vote like this for Dems for state-wide office. Of course there’s still the awful statehouse. Hopefully, sooner than later, an initiative can be put on the ballot for an independent redistricting commission to unfuck Ohio’s maps

  159. 159.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Kay:

    I know a full-time older co-worker who bought into that shit at work. Nothing I said about that crap being a distraction mattered to her. I tried to make it as a clear as possible to her; the Ohio GOP is trying to place restrictions on you and me, NOT themselves

    She also doesn’t trust the union and usually votes the opposite of what it recommends 🙄

  161. 161.

    Jay

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Tell her about Brown.

    $175k for driver’s by 2025.

    Let her know Amazon is hiring at minimum wage

    They have lots of positions available, (Amazon). Only 10 hours a day,  5 days a week, (minimum), one half hour break, no pee breaks, no coffee or smoke breaks,  7 days a week if the Corp deems it needed.

    Sounds like a good fit for her.

  163. 163.

    JWR

    @Eolirin: They should also come out against shoving LEDs up their bungholes, or swallowing light bulbs. Or having Covid parties, among other deadly games.

    ETA edited for clarity.

  164. 164.

    Geminid

    @Eolirin: I think Democrats plan to center abortion rights, gun safety and support for public education this election.

    The Republican House of Delegates tried to repeal 5 of the 6 gun safety laws Democrats passed in 2020. The Senate killed the repeal bills.

    Interestingly, the Republicans wouldn’t put the 15 weak abortion restriction on the floor for a vote. They explained that the Senate would kill it anyway, but that consideration did not stop them on the gun bills or other similarly stupid legislation. Some of their Delegates might have told leadership, “We can vote yes but if we do, we aren’t gonna be here next year.”

  167. 167.

    Fake Irishman

    @Kay:

    Indeed! Those numbers from Ashtabula, Trumbull, Portage and Mahoning are lovely.

    (Cuyahoga native here, folks just moved away after 45 years… to Wisconsin)

  169. 169.

    Kent

    More than anyone else on the planet, Dobbs was the turd laid by Trump.  It was decided in 2022 but by HIS SCOTUS.

    If Democrat’s can run on that they are incompetent.

  170. 170.

    Fake Irishman

    @Kay:

    Yeah, Clevelanders are generally pragmatic Catholics, mainline Protestants and Jews. My district had Rosh Hashsanah and Yom Kippur off because the school board realized sometime in the 1970s that about 25-50 percent of the student body wasn’t showing up.

  171. 171.

    Kent

    @Geminid:Interestingly, the Republicans wouldn’t put the 15 weak abortion restriction on the floor for a vote. They explained that the Senate would kill it anyway, but that consideration did not stop them on the gun bills or other similarly stupid legislation. Some of their Delegates might have told leadership, “We can vote yes but if we do, we aren’t gonna be here next year.”

    As I recall, it was a 15 week CEILING and would have done nothing to supersede any stricter bans passed by any states.

    So basically a blue state ONLY measure.

  172. 172.

    Fake Irishman

    @Dan B:

    Yes, that Medina county.
    I grew up in the east burbs of Cleveland in the 1980s and 1990s. Little Fires Everywhere was an incredible nostalgia trip for me, even though my nearby suburb was definitely a few notches below Shaker Heights in the hierarchy.

  173. 173.

    JWR

    Teri Kanefield has a brand new post:

    Trump’s Social Media Postings
    August 8, 2023

    This is a midweek blog post to answer the questions I’ve been getting about Trump’s social media posts.

    It is unedited and not proofread. I am traveling with limited time and Internet access. Please read it for the content.

  174. 174.

    hitchhiker

    @Scout211:

    A 64% majority of US adults say they disapprove of last year’s Supreme Court ruling that women do not have a constitutional right to an abortion, with half strongly disapproving – an assessment that’s almost entirely unchanged from CNN’s poll last July in the immediate wake of the decision.

    The Rs who used abortion rights as a “culture war issue” thought all along that it was not important to anybody except the people who rend their garments performatively over the idea of murdered babies. They enjoyed manipulating those people, and they counted on “pro life” rhetoric to bring out voters.

    What they didn’t see coming was that once the right to choose was gone, their pet issue moved out of silly-season-culture-war and directly into our bedrooms. And it turns out people are not going to just get over it. I heard a Republican strategist guy on television the other day saying that “they can’t stay mad forever.”

    He still doesn’t know what planet he’s on.

  175. 175.

    jonas

    Boy howdy. Didn’t just go down to defeat, but 60/40? Damn. I guess the thing I’m most enthused about is that the last-minute bullshit reframing of the amendment as a “force your kids to get sex changes” gambit utterly failed. This has to have a lot of Republican activists pulling at their collars going “Gnoohyyygh!”

  177. 177.

    JWR

    More from Teri Kanefield’s latest post. This part was fun to read! ;)

    See what the DOJ did? On the surface, they were saying, “Look at Trump’s post. This is why it’s super important that we have an order protecting sensitive grand jury materials.

    But really they were saying this: “This is what we are dealing with, Your Honor. An unhinged nut.” But they did it in the cool, collected voice of the adult in the room dealing with a manbaby.

  178. 178.

    Ruckus

    OK I put this in the prior post as I had it open when I came back to my computer. But it may be more appropriate here.

    I lived/worked in OH for 11 yrs. In Franklin County. It wasn’t the most liberal state ever, it wasn’t as bad as it could be. The bigger cities could pull it out. Could. I never once held my breath for really good in OH. It wasn’t near as restricted in the big cities but I do remember the last election I voted in the rethuglican governor race Bob Taft – rethuglican, won and was governor when I skedaddled. Not a bad place, not a great place, I’d give it a neutral, at least in the big cities. OH has had a lot of dem governors over the years but I wouldn’t call them extremely liberal, more like left of center at best and then only in the cities.

    One thing I didn’t put in the last post, in my last national election we had a number of precincts combined into one polling place and only one machine in place of 3. I stood in line for, if I remember correctly, 5 hrs. Some left because they had to go to work. I figured when I got to work if anyone gave me crap I would loudly tell them where to stick it, and no the sun don’t shine there. But no one did. They might have seen the steam still coming out of my ears.

  179. 179.

    JWR

    @hitchhiker:

    What they didn’t see coming was that once the right to choose was gone, their pet issue moved out of silly-season-culture-war and directly into our bedrooms.

    And even after Dobbs, some of them were arguing about the 10 year old who’d been raped, saying that “no, she didn’t have to cross state lines to get an abortion because we could’ve treated her here.” But you couldn’t, could you? I mean, that would break the law you guys just passed, right? These clowns didn’t have a clue about the  protections offered in Roe, instead assuming that Roe only protected infanticide or something.

  180. 180.

    SuzieC

    @rikyrah: From an Ohioan thank you rikyrah!  I enjoyed your thread about the Montgomery boat brawl more than anything I have ever seen on BJ, almost.

  181. 181.

    BruceFromOhio

    @Raoul Paste: I got one of those! Thank you, much appreciated.

    On the way into my polling place, there was a lone “Vote Yes!” person extolling MrsFromOhio and I to Vote Yes. “Absolutely not” was my reply as we walked by. “You’re going to be sorry!” was the retort. “You are entitled to your opinion, as am I” was my over-the-shoulder closing argument. On the way out, a canvasser was collecting signatures for a $15-an-hour minimum wage ballot initiative just a dozen steps from the “Vote Yes!” person.

    Irony, pull up a chair and make yourself comfortable.

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    2liberal

    @OGLiberal: wish I could say and the same but I’m a Mets fan.  Mets games/seasons consist of 96% angst.

     

    I’m a red sox fan. Tell me about it.

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    JWR

    Remembering something one of you recently said,

    Roe WAS the compromise, you ninnies!

    ETA that okay, you didn’t say the “you ninnies” part. That’s all on me. ;)

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    JWR

    Take a load off, Fani. We can wait a few more days.

    Fulton County district attorney is likely to present her case against Trump to grand jury next week

    … Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is expected to spend two days presenting her case before a grand jury next week.

    Willis could seek several indictments as she eyes a sweeping racketeering case that could cast Trump and several of his associates as operating as a criminal enterprise in their endeavors to upend Georgia’s election results.

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    West of the Rockies

    @JWR:

    It’s sure being a big build up… weren’t there reports yesterday of a big police presence at the court (making newsies suggest the indictment would surely drop).

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    JWR

    @West of the Rockies:

    Yeah, like it was imminent or something. ;) But I sure hope she nails him with this one, as he wouldn’t be able to pardon himself out of this state charge. There may be another state case that I’m forgetting. Was it the hush money affair?

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    Mel

    @Dan B: City neighborhoods like Northside, Price Hill, the Incline District, Oakley, Over-the-Rhine, and Clifton are diverse, have lots of population density and a relatively high percentage of Democrats. The Hamilton County suburbs tend to be much more right-wing, but there are emerging pockets of sanity in Loveland, etc. because of arts and entertainment districts drawing new residents.

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    Kathleen

    @Mel: Way late to thread but I was pleasantly shocked that in final vote totals Butler County was 50% yes/50% no! BUTLER EFFING COUNTY!

  195. 195.

    Kathleen

    @Mel: We are VERY blue! (-: On the Blue Ohio Zoom I was on the numbers guy was saying Yes/No margins in Clermont and Warren Counties were not as big as the Vance/Ryan margins.

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    Kathleen

    @Almost Retired: It absolutely is. Cincy/Hamilton County have been blue strongholds for the past several elections. Cincy has Democratic mayor, 8 out of 9 City Council members and Sherriff,  All 3 Hamilton County Commissioners are women, 2 of whom are AA. Cincy is one of the 3 “Big C’s”, along with Columbus and Cleveland. The Chair of the Hamilton County Dems is a Black woman, and she is just awesome.

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    Kathleen

    @Mel: I live in the Incline District/Price Hill! And yes. Price Hill has been recognized as the most diverse neighborhood in the city. I absolutely love it here.

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    Msb

    Thank God (and Ohio voters).

    To the R who said, “They can’t stay mad forever”: sonny, I’ve been mad since 1979, and just getting madder.

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