Around like 2016 I used to think man I can’t wait until I don’t have to pay attention to politics anymore. Increasingly I’m realizing two things: I will never not be able to pay attention to it and I was extremely privileged to feel like I could in the past.
— Jean-Michel Connard ?? (@torriangray) August 24, 2023
Can’t wait for Trump’s fingerprint to match those in unsolved cases.
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) August 24, 2023
‘The people who tried to overthrow the government, some of these people are our friends. How can we keep them out of jail despite, you know, the crimes they committed?’ https://t.co/DlYgXT6gJ0
— Jason Karsh (@jkarsh) August 20, 2023
Media wants Biden to pardon Trump for crimes he committed while the same media ignores that Republicans want to convict Biden for crimes he didn't commit. https://t.co/CVBl0K7x0z
— John Cole (@Johngcole) August 23, 2023
Also because specifically in the case of Trump, breaking *him* breaks his movement into a thousand different factions each claiming to be his true successor. https://t.co/wF2kSKIPVG
— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs) August 25, 2023
Trump has created a bubble within the right-wing media bubble that undergirds his disinterest in this week's debate — and Fox's eagerness to have him participate. https://t.co/qbQkJpOniq
— Philip Bump (@pbump) August 21, 2023
Look at right wing media. You have people like @jimgeraghty, who’s supposed to be the closest thing NR has to a straight reporter, lying to his audience every day about Biden’s mental capacity. https://t.co/X2Y0bOx5nC
— Clean Observer (@Hammbear2024) August 21, 2023
I think it lets these folks off the hook to say results like this indicate delusion. I think it indicates something more like a cross between trolling, after the fact rationalization, and an attempt to shape reality via assertion. https://t.co/LwDwDf03aC
— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs) August 20, 2023
And in this age where media just talks about what people say rather than figuring out what’s true, they’ve realized they can play the refs by just refusing to concede reality, instead asserting its opposite.
— The Fig Economy (@figgityfigs) August 20, 2023
They have been trapped by the Trump/ shame spiral since the beginning.
The worse he got, the more foolish they secretly felt for ever supporting him.
Either pay an escalating psychic cost of admitting your mistake — or cling tighter.
And get angrier.
— Michele Dostert (@dostert_michele) August 20, 2023
Kamala warned us. https://t.co/AHZlTeTfLY
— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) August 25, 2023
lol pic.twitter.com/DyzMH1NOyG
— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) August 25, 2023
Baud
I wonder if I can beat Biden.
brantl
@Baud: I hope Biden beats Stump like a rented mule (apologies to the SPCA).
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Baud: How about “Baud 2024: Anyone can bet him!”?
It will work well with your “A couch in every crash pad” campaign promise.
OzarkHillbilly
No pardons but I do not rule out a commutation of any sentence trump might receive.
Baud
LOL. Like his age at the end of a second term matters to any such decision. But the media has it’s marching orders.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
Yes!
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@OzarkHillbilly:
Let him stew at least a year or two in custody.
Make it hurt, as a lesson to others.
Another Scott
The cartoons are all on-point in continuing to give him really tiny hands.
And of course Kamala is 6’3 215. After all, aren’t we all??
Cheers,
Scott.
OzarkHillbilly
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: Agreed, tho I think the best we can hope for is house arrest in the trump tower with very limited communications with the outside world.
CliosFanBoy
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Let him
stew at least a year or two in custody.be hung like Saddam so that his head pops off.Make it hurt, as a lesson to others.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
Maybe a condition of confinement can be that people get to pay to observe him in his hole. Talk about reducing the deficit!
p.a.
Let him rot in prison. As the true believers turn to violence they can then be excised from the body politic.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Speaking for myself, I’d never want to see that, the brain bleach costs would bankrupt a small country.
OzarkHillbilly
Discovered in the deep: an octopus’s garden in the shade
Kay
This is true, but they’ve been like this for a while now. They also thought Obama was sure to NOT be re-elected.
With the help of political media, they have convinced themselves they are the only “real” voters. No one else “counts”.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@CliosFanBoy:
As much as I’d love that, it might create problems….
Baud
@Kay:
If they had their way, no one else would count, literally.
Baud
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Waste of good rope.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@OzarkHillbilly:
Not if he’s convicted in Georgia – they won’t do it.
chrome agnomen
@Kay: this is what living in a bubble gets you.
Kay
Answer is “no”. States and districts who closed schools did no worse than states and districts who kept schools open.
So that’s interesting, right? If you actually cared about kids you would pursue that- if it wasn’t the school closures what was it that so set kids off track?
But none of the people who screeched about closed schools actually cared about students, so none of them are following this, now that it can’t be used as a battering ram to attack public schools and teachers.
Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg
@Kay:
Thats what 1/6/21 was about. Having lost all the legal challenges, they resorted to fraud in order to engage in political machinations.
Kay
@chrome agnomen:
It’s true. Extra thick bubble where I am, in 75% Trump country. They’re going to be shocked and angry when Biden wins again and they all will claim fraud.
But how did it end up, then, that liberals are always portrayed as out of touch while Trumpsters supposedly have their finger on the pulse of Real America?
It’s just bullshit. Pure narrative.
SiubhanDuinne
The more I look at that Mike Luckovich cartoon, the more I love it. The roll of paper towels is an especially fine touch.
Baud
@Kay:
We’re less white.
OzarkHillbilly
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: I don’t know what Georgia will or will not do and would not dare to speculate. I will say that while I doubt Kemp would pardon, I don’t see a commutation as an impossibility.
Maxim
Just below that tweet from Dana Houle on my screen was this WTAFness:
“Spain football federation accuses player Jenni Hermoso of lying about kiss from its president Luis Rubiales and says it is taking legal action”
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1695341429432733834
BretH
Open thread? I can post what an absolute joy it was to see Al Stewart last night with my 24yr old son who loves the man’s music- especially the early historical stuff. (I confess because I played “Past, Present and Future” many times for him when he was young.
A decidedly old crowd – I think my son was at least 20 yes younger than anyone else there. Oh, and the music was great and Al’s voice was as good (a relative term of course) as ever.
Geminid
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: I’m curious: how is Governor Beshear’s reelection race looking from your vantage point on the Bluegrass-covered ground? The subject came up in one of yesterday’s threads.
Betty Cracker
Excerpts of two current letters to the editor in my (crappy) local paper from Trump cultists:
Another:
These people have gone bye-bye, and they’re not coming back.
Van Buren
@Kay: I taught remotely that year and another teacher taught the same grade in person at my school. (It was family’s choice whether to go in person or not). I had 31 students, she had 9. My class tested higher.
Small sample size and all, but I busted my ass that year trying to keep kids motivated and engaged.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
You never told us that Satan has a grip on you, BC.
2liberal
This times 1000.
Geminid
@Betty Cracker: Shouldn’t that have read “ma’amby pamby” in the first letter?
OzarkHillbilly
@OzarkHillbilly: Now I remember that Georgia’s system for pardons and commutations are different than most states and Kemp has no such powers. My bad.
OzarkHillbilly
@Maxim: Misogyny, thy name is Spain.
BretH
@BretH: Yeah, replying to myself… A note to older musicians: It’s perfectly OK to headline and mainly sing or whatever you do best and have an energetic young band absolutely kick your songs’ asses. Especially if you can find a great young guitarist who plays like you did when you were younger. Win-win as far as I am concerned.
Kay
@Van Buren:
That makes sense- that the quality might overcome the distance. They could look at that- if really strong schools had remote teaching that was better than in person teaching in weaker schools because of class size or other factors.
We should figure it out. There will be another pandemic. Or, we can just keep attacking teachers and public schools because that gives Republicans and pundits something to yammer about.
2liberal
That is not how Georgia manages pardons and commutations. Why are you feeling so merciful to this traitorous sedition-ist murderous swindling bastard?
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
Yup. Just like “everyone knew” Obama was “toast”. They’re the same where I live.
I have to say I have never in my life felt that I was somehow the definition or example of “America” and ALL these people do.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊
OzarkHillbilly
Yes, I corrected myself in comment #35.
Give me a break.
Everybody wants blood, or at least to see him behind bars. I am no different in that respect but I am realistic in recognizing that him being an ex president with SS protection and all the rest it entails makes this an exceptional case. I am just trying to stay grounded about the possible results.
And believe me, nobody will be happier to see him in Supermax than I. I just don’t see it happening.
Ken
No professional hangman would tolerate such incompetence. They use the weight of the condemned to adjust the length of drop and get a clean break. So, starting with Trump’s known weight of 215 pounds, ….
Jeffro
@Betty Cracker: I’m not surprised that the first letter-writer made the connection between Ric Flair and Donald trump.
rikyrah
@Kay:
They are the only “real voters”, because of the endless Cletus Safaris telling them so😠
Chief Oshkosh
@Betty Cracker: And fuck the editors of your local birdcage liner. They know better.
Jeffro
@Kay: that’s because America has been changing quite rapidly, and they want to cling to ‘their’ version, which has them at the center.
(or them on top, take your pick of phrasing)
rikyrah
@OzarkHillbilly:
Kemp DOES NOT have the power to pardon🤗🤗🤗
OzarkHillbilly
Simone. ‘Nuff said.
Scout211
That’s disgusting. I guess the most important people in the Spanish soccer federation are the men on the governing board. Not the players on the pitch.
Jenni Hermoso was quoted by a reporter right after the incident downplaying the kiss. She said that she was misquoted and many of her teammates backed her up by quoting her statements to them about how uncomfortable that kiss on the lips made her feel.
This feels like an ugly power play to force the team to back down from their boycott. But it just shines a huge spotlight on the blatant misogyny of the federation.
Link
That is truly disgusting.
Jeffro
@Betty Cracker: also, I love the “forget his personality…I like his policies”. God, as if we haven’t all heard that a gazillion times from his enablers in the GOP, the media, acquaintances, friends, and family.
’Policy’? trump is about ‘policy’?
No he isn’t. He hates who you hate and he hates them out loud. He’s the unapologetic white supremacist you wish you could be, Mr. Letter-Writer #2.
period and also, full stop.
stinger
@Another Scott: *I* am
Spartacus6’3″ 215!sdhays
@OzarkHillbilly: In Georgia, the governor doesn’t have the power to pardon. Period. Republicans in the legislature want to change that because of Trump, but Kemp isn’t interested (so far, at least).
The board which does pardons doesn’t hand them out until most time is served. It could happen, of course, but making it happen will be harder than putting pressure on Kemp.
sdhays
@Jeffro: They literally had no policy ideas in 2020, so they just kept the party manifesto or whatever from 2016.
Nukular Biskits
Good mornin’, y’all!
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
K-Mo
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg:
Maybe some sort of parole agreement with terms that he will be unable to resist violating
Baud
@Nukular Biskits:
Good morning.
snoey
@Scout211: FIFA just suspended Rubiales and prohibited him and the Spanish federation from contacting Hermoso.
Making FIFA look good is quite an achievement.
evodevo
@Scout211: And why did he need a kiss at all? or why not do the French/European kiss on both sides of the face thingy? or why not a hug? Yeah…just that Spanish macho thing in operation…
OzarkHillbilly
One can find beautiful people in some of the least likely places.
Tony G
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: The best slogan ever was “Vote for Me and I’ll Set You Free!”.
kalakal
Best joke I’ve seen so far about the 215lbs
“Show us the girth certificate!”
Tony G
@sdhays: They didn’t have much of a concrete platform in 2016 either.
Tony G
@kalakal: If, in an alternate universe, Trump could act like a human being, he could make a few self-deprecating jokes about his portly physique. (Howlin Wolf’s “Built for comfort, not built for speed” comes to mind.) Certainly a lot of American men (myself included) could identify with that. But he is an emotionally fragile man-baby who never grew up.
Kay
@Jeffro:
Also, “personality” is different than “character”. He’s been charged with crimes four times not because of his (bad) personality, but because he lacks character and is a liar and a cheat, to the extent that he breaks laws.
They’re like one category error after another. They don’t have basic things straight.
OzarkHillbilly
@kalakal: HA!
James Joyner has taken to referring to trump as inmate P01135809. I think I’ll follow suit.
Steeplejack
@Maxim:
This guy Luis Rubiales exudes “entitled creep” vibes. Check his explanation.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
Reminds a little of how they identified different planets in Stargate.
Tony G
@Kay: Exactly. As the father of two (now adult) sons, I can confirm that. The boys had significantly different personalities from the time they were toddlers, but their characters are very similar because they grew up with the same values.
Baud
@Jeffro:
Plus, they can support Pence if they cared about policies. Pence is awful in a lot of ways, but at least we know he won’t betray his country.
Tony G
@Baud: Damn. If that’s a sequential number then that’s more than a million inmates since they started counting.
Tony G
@Jeffro: At least the handful of Trumpians in my extended family have the courtesy to shut the hell up about him while at family gatherings. (That’s interesting because my relatives very seldom shut the hell up about anything!)
kalakal
@Betty Cracker:
Yes indeed, time to rake those forests, nuke those hurricanes, and stick a light bulb up your bum
Bleach does leave a nasty aftertaste.
And who better to lead us to this goal than the 6ft 3, 215lb Adonis who assured us that he tested positive for everything in his medical
Matt McIrvin
@Jeffro: I tell people that about Biden. A lot of liberals are not enthusiastic about Biden as a person. I tell them that policy-wise, with only a few exceptions, he’s the best President of my lifetime. But I think I can back that up.
Scout211
Wow!
Jeffro
It’s a GREAT point (and really, it’s probably true of all of them)
“Policy”-wise, the only differences between the 8 folks on Wednesday’s debate stage were what? Support for Ukraine and level of antagonism towards Anthony Fauci, maybe? (oh and Ramaswamy thinks climate change is a ‘hoax’ – the rest of them just want to quietly keep burning every bit of carbon we can get our hands on and nod thoughtfully every time the consequences hit).
Everything else is the same stuff:
So it would make sense for the GOP to throw trumpov overboard, stat. But he gives his voters that pure hate-hit that no one else can.
CliosFanBoy
@OzarkHillbilly: Ringo Starr on line one…
Mo MacArbie
There’s one part of the “Perfect phone call” cartoon I can’t quite parse. There’s the can of Diet Crook and the Sharpie, but then there’s a spiral line on the center of the desk that looks like an opened-up paperclip, maybe? What is that, and to what does it refer? Dinner leftovers?
CliosFanBoy
@Deputinize Eurasia from the Kuriles to St Petersburg: That’s what the contractor-strength big garbage bags are for. :)
CliosFanBoy
@Baud: Waste of good
rope.piano wire.Jeffro
Oh hell yeah. His policies absolutely rock. It’s like getting a Warren administration in many ways (to the extent possible, with Manchin & Sinema there, anyway)
But I like his personality, too! He just happens to be pretty old (and following in the footsteps of one of the Democratic Party’s most charismatic politicians and best public speakers ever – PBO)
And to Kay’s point, his character is stellar. That’s why the GOP tries so hard to paint him as nefarious and corrupt: it’s important to them that all politicians be corrupt (ours especially!)…it helps them accept/settle for their lousy politicians.
OzarkHillbilly
That’s what it looks like to me. Can’t imagine what, if any, meaning might be behind it.
CliosFanBoy
@Mo MacArbie: He was playing with a paperclip because he did not do any work. There are no actual papers on his desk.
Jeffro
A little OT but just so the BJ community is aware: the Lincoln Project has a set of 6 “FAFO” shot glasses w/ trumpov’s, Rudy’s, Meadows’, Eastman’s, Powell’s, and Ellis’ mugshots printed on them.
Here’s the link
I’m half tempted to grab a set for use during their eventual trial(s)… =)
hueyplong
You could argue that it’s an underappreciated narrative that shifts from “feckless AG and prosecutors will never indict” to “check out the set of mug shot shot glasses.”
OzarkHillbilly
@Jeffro: Not me, one look at any of those faces would sour the drink for me, not even the finest scotch would taste quite right.
TS
@snoey:
Indeed it is – I was not expecting that from FIFA
Baud
@snoey:
FIFA is despertado.
Miss Bianca
@snoey:
And that, my dear, is quite the understatement!
gene108
@Kay:
It’s ironic because I think after 2000 and 2016, Democrats are perpetually worried about somehow losing a presidential election.
UncleEbeneezer
@Jeffro: You know the saying how people love powerful women until they actually get in power, and then they flip a switch and decide they are too shrill or whatever? (see: HRC most admired woman for decades until she got closer and closer to actually becoming POTUS). I think a similar thing is happening with Biden. He has a great personality. Everybody loved him as Obama’s VP. Their were muscle car memes, etc. He’s by far the funniest and most clever off-the-cuff of any popular Dem, imo. But during the 2020 Primaries their was a big effort (probably stoked by Russia and GOP) to get people on our side to find something, ANYTHING to use to bash Biden (his age, personality etc.) And sadly, a lot of people (especially those whose identity is being too cool to love the Dem Party, ie BernieBros) bought into them and still do. It’s a lot of contrarianism because the Dem base does love Biden. Even though he can’t say it out loud, Biden (and Kamala) are the only ones who really give the most sincere FuckTrumpForever energy. You can almost feel the disgust any time Biden has to talk about him. And I know a bunch of Black voters who cited that as one of the reasons they supported him in the 2020 Primary. As they put it “Biden feels like he hates Trump as much as I do.” One of my fave Black podcasters talked about it back then saying he felt crazy because all his super-Progressive friends were constantly bashing Biden and were in love with Bernie and Warren, then he’d go in the real world and talk to his Black Aunties and they’d all be like “They’re good, but I really like Joe Biden.” I think reports of people disliking Biden are amplifying a small but very loud group that doesn’t really capture the sentiment of most Americans.
Yarrow
This is such a good observation. I’m glad to see it stated.
kalakal
The Miami Herald has been looking into
DeStupid’s tale of “the woman he met that had been aborted 3 times and left to die in a pan”
Spoiler alert, it seems he may have been somewhat economical with the truth
Jay C
@OzarkHillbilly:
That’s because those glasses aren’t meant for scotch: the only beverage they are intended for is “conservative tears of impotent rage”….
Yarrow
@Scout211:
Always with the daughters, these guys. And has anyone checked to see if he’s actually kissing his daughters on the lips without their permission? Because that’s not good.
Baud
@kalakal:
Damn. That’s some good follow up.
Scout211
@kalakal: That needs to be highlighted:
from your link:
Cameron
@Betty Cracker: That was in TBT? As a bumpkin who reads the Bradenton Herald, I always assumed that TBT represented something less parochial. Or less goober. Or something.
Another Scott
@Scout211: Exhibit #7823945 that the truth doesn’t matter to these monsters.
Grr…,
Scott.
Baud
@Scout211:
If a Dem had done something like that, the national news would be all over the story.
Steeplejack
@Cameron:
I think Betty is referring to her more local-er (county?) paper.
Jeffro
Totally agree. He’s a very likable guy! So of course the usual suspects breeze right past it (media) or flat-out make negative things up (GOP)
Kay
@Scout211:
So DeSantis’ got his big story completely wrong because he doesn’t give a shit about actual women and didn’t bother to try to understand even the basic sequence of events?
Very much a “pro lifer”, I must say. That’s consistent.
Jay C
@Betty Cracker:
Well, if these are examples of what the local paper deems “letter-to-the-editor”-worthy, then “birdcage liner” is way too elevated a use for it….
What struck me about these imbecilic screeds is their triteness: they read like boilerplate form-letters that might have been submitted by Grumpy Old Cranks at any time over the past – well, forever: just with “Trump” or “Biden” inserted as needed.
Jeffro
@OzarkHillbilly: I hear you – can’t imagine drinking out of something with Rudy’s face on it. It would make the shot taste like hair dye (or worse!)
BUT
I may just cobble together my own version, for the eventual trial and/or (be still my heart) sentencing.
Maybe I’ll just print out a small pic of trumpov’s mug shot and tape that to a shot glass. I think that will work!
Cameron
@Steeplejack: I sure hope so. My not-too-well-informed impression is that the larger Florida papers are pretty good. Certainly they seem far more capable/willing to call out Prince Puddinghands than Our National Liberal Media.
Another Scott
(Wrong thread – see Adam’s update downstairs.)
moonbat
@OzarkHillbilly: That was awesome.
Thank you for sharing it.
Jackie
@OzarkHillbilly: Kemp doesn’t have pardon powers. Georgia is one of the few states that doesn’t give the governor pardon powers.
MomSense
Velshi just played a clip of Ramasmarmy and I really can’t stand that guy.
Nukular Biskits
Speaking of clowns, unfortunately this one is one of my US Senators:
US Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith: Women’s Equality Day
I called bullshit on this given her insatiable desire to strip women of bodily autonomy, relegating them to 2nd class citizenship (especially when pregnant) & for demanding the gov’t dictate what health care they can & can’t access. She’s a lying hypocrite.
Which is a feature, not a bug, when it comes to “conservatism”.
Seriously. This kind of shit really pisses me off.
/rant
Alison Rose
LOLLLL just got an email from the Biden campaign store and they have the sender name as Dark Brandon. Think they’ve done it before but it makes me laugh every time.
zhena gogolia
@kalakal: Wow, all this time I thought this story was about the MOTHER being left in a pan, and I just couldn’t picture it.
zhena gogolia
@Alison Rose: Me too. I was on the verge of buying some Dark Brandon merch (a tote bag for my books), but I’m always afraid somebody will misinterpret it as being anti-Biden.
kalakal
@zhena gogolia:
I couldn’t work out what the hell he was talking about.
I think we can safely say that Honest Ron has excluded stenographer as a future career choice once he’s done wrecking his political future
schrodingers_cat
@Kay: Real America == People who are white and preferably Christian.
Geminid
@MomSense: Ramaswamy quickly became notorious on pro-Ukraine Twitter after Wednesday’s debate. People from all over were denouncing him. The next day, Pekka Kallieniomi put up a 16-tweet Ramaswamy biograghy as part of his Vatnick Soup series.
schrodingers_cat
@MomSense: Join the club. He is quite popular RWNJs in India.
Bex
@OzarkHillbilly: Maybe the paper clip held a bunch of secret documents that are now missing?
zhena gogolia
@Bex: It looks like a hearing aid to me.
Shalimar
@Betty Cracker: “Everybody knows the fight is fixed, the poor stay poor while the rich get rich, that’s how it goes, and everybody knows.”
Karen H
@Mo MacArbie: Could it be the path of the hurricane that he drew with the Sharpie?
Alison Rose
@zhena gogolia: Oh, I think by now everyone knows it’s been reclaimed by the left!
zhena gogolia
@Alison Rose: I like the tote bag with the repeating pattern. Maybe I’ll get it today.
Alison Rose
@zhena gogolia: I want the mug but lordy, it’s kinda pricey for a mug. I know campaign merch always is, but still.
Alison Rose
@Nukular Biskits: I like this response:
Yeah, the hypocrisy is almost impressive. But the right is very good at that, isn’t it? Like when John Lewis died and they were all praising him, even though they’d spent years and years trying to thwart or destroy his work on voting rights.
zhena gogolia
@Alison Rose: I got myself a Dark Brandon tote and my husband a Pride sunglasses tote. I don’t drink coffee or wear T-shirts or baseball caps!
ETA: I wear T-shirts, but only V-neck. I have my great “Dude Gotta Go” V-neck, but now I can’t wear it because it seems to refer to Biden!
zhena gogolia
@Alison Rose: Yeah, everything is pretty expensive.
opiejeanne
@Alison Rose: I bought the mug. It’s pricey but I considered it a donation to Biden’s campaign.
Alison Rose
@zhena gogolia: I also only wear v-neck or preferably scoop neck shirts. I can’t stand when the collar is right up around my neck, even if it’s loose. I get so annoyed when I see a cute shirt, especially when it’s in women’s sizing/shape, but it’s only in crew neck. SCOOP NECKS FOREVER.
Bill Arnold
Here’s a link to the Shane Goldmacher piece. It’s a good read, tangentially about the Republican info structure’s tendency to willfully promote underestimation of opponents. (Today, stopping page load early bypassed the NYTimes paywall, for me.)
How G.O.P. Views of Biden Are Helping Trump in the Republican Primary – In interviews and polling, many Republican voters believe President Biden is so weak that picking the most electable candidate to beat him no longer matters. (Shane Goldmacher, Aug. 20, 2023)
MagdaInBlack
@Alison Rose: I’m the same way with tight necks. Makes me wonder how I may have died in a past life. Noose?
ArchTeryx
@Jay C: they might well have been. A lot of the right uses form Letters to the Editor so they all can repeat the same talking points endlessly. It’s what they do.
zhena gogolia
@Alison Rose: Yeah! I have a closet full of Obama and Schiff, etc. T-shirts that I just can’t stand.
Omnes Omnibus
@MagdaInBlack: @Alison Rose: @zhena gogolia: So how do you feel about turtlenecks?
zhena gogolia
@MagdaInBlack: How men can wear ties is beyond me.
MagdaInBlack
@Omnes Omnibus: Cannot wear them.
zhena gogolia
@Omnes Omnibus: I have a million turtlenecks too, used to wear them all winter, but now I can only stand cowl-neck turtlenecks. They are my uniform once it gets too cold to wear dresses.
Nelle
@MomSense: Be grateful you aren’t in Iowa. He’s everywhere.
MagdaInBlack
@zhena gogolia: Used to tie my husbands ties for him. As I tightened it he’d say ” don’t get any ideas.”
Yarrow
@MagdaInBlack: Beheading?
kalakal
There’s criming and there’s criming
This is such an odd story, the effort involved is like something out of Mission Impossible but the haul is chump change and from a charity
MagdaInBlack
@Yarrow: Or that.
Yarrow
@zhena gogolia: Wish they’d do a grocery bag style. I might use that. Don’t need a tote bag.
Bill Arnold
@Betty Cracker:
Links for those letters to the editor (because I was curious whether google indexed them). The site doesn’t like my European VPN endpoint, sigh. (GDPR)
Here’s where we are
Better off with Trump
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@zhena gogolia: I’m weird in that I always enjoyed ties. Still have my tie collection despite being retired.
But I could never stand buttoning the top button of the shirt, which probably defeats the look of the tie.
kalakal
@MagdaInBlack:
Had to wear them everyday for years as a kid at school. I can tie a tie in my sleep. Never worn them since, I hate them, they are utterly pointless. I really, really hate fastening the top button of a shirt as well
Omnes Omnibus
@zhena gogolia:
I don’t mind them at all. The shirt has to fit right, close against the skin but not actually tight. And don’t get me started on the people who tie those loose knots that are the size of a grapefruit (or Windsor knots, for that matter). Okay, I might have opinions on the subject.
Alison Rose
@Omnes Omnibus: NOPE TO THE MAX
Westyny
@OzarkHillbilly: I don’t know. I think it could be pleasurable in a drinking it out of the skull of my enemy sort of way. And more sanitary.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
glad it’s not just me, it was cost of shipping that really brought me up short
Alison Rose
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah! It’s just a bit bonkers.
MagdaInBlack
@kalakal: He was blue collar, so it was not an every day thing, but he did not mind them, when the occasion called for it
Eta: vanity, he knew he ” cleaned up nice.”
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
What is your preferred knot? I only learned one way (about 100 years ago) and haven’t worn a tie in years, but I found myself thinking about ties—and actually looking at some on line—after being struck the other night by the mind-numbing mediocrity of all the pundits’ ties on MSNBC. Bland repp ties almost all the way. Give me a subdued paisley, at least.
Steeplejack
Did not know until today that I needed this:
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: Four in hand. Simple and doesn’t create a huge lump. I don’t do spread collars, so a knot that takes up space is unnecessary.
kalakal
@MagdaInBlack:
I think in my case it’s a reaction to being forced to wear them everyday as a kid.
I quite enjoy putting on the whole rig on special/formal occasions.
Alison Rose
@Steeplejack: I’m impressed that it includes the Springfield in California, which isn’t even really a town. It’s an “unincorporated community” and a state historical landmark.
kalakal
@Steeplejack: 😄😄😄
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: Helluva road trip.
Miss Bianca
@Steeplejack: Wow, that’s…kinda weird.
(I was born in Springfield, MA, so that’s usually the only Springfield I pay attention to! I had no idea there were so many!)
Mr. Bemused Senior
@kalakal: the whole rig.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Thanks. I’ll have to look that up, as well as the method I learned as a kid (which may be the same).
Spread collars are of the devil. (Cf. Jared Kushner et al.)
ETA. Yes, the four-in-hand is what I’ve always used.
West of the Rockies
@Betty Cracker:
Those letters are articulate enough… but the authors are stunningly stupid. Weird.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack:
It’s probably the one you know. I think it might be the most common knot (for good reason).
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
One worth making, maybe, if you want a road-trip theme.
Sure Lurkalot
P01135809, when asked about his booking experience:
Emphasis mine.
Alison Rose
@Sure Lurkalot: I love the “terrible experience” followed immediately by “I was treated very nicely”.
Also, I don’t know if he meant that he’s never had the word mugshot said to him, but if he was actually trying to claim that he just never heard it at all, then jeez, how does he keep getting dumber all the time?
Omnes Omnibus
@Sure Lurkalot:
Wait, are you suggesting that he lied about something? Heaven forfend!
Jackie
@OzarkHillbilly: I hope the “P” is for Prisoner!
If not, I’ll just pretend it does!😁
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Omnes Omnibus: we need a better word than “lie” (or “bullshit”) for Trump’s statements. He blurts whatever he concludes will benefit him the moment he says it. It has no relation to truth, or even long-term planning.
Steeplejack
@Sure Lurkalot:
I seem to remember there was some controversy over whether Trump actually went to the famed Wharton School or just got a “regular” UPenn degree. Wikipedia does say Wharton, however. 🤔
hueyplong
@Alison Rose: Translation: It was a horrible wrong, but the strapping men who processed me called me “Sir,” usually with tears in their eyes, and wished me luck in my holy crusade to Make America Great Again by becoming President for Life.
Brachiator
Probably the saddest thing about hardcore Trump supporters.
This is already a weird election cycle. I don’t know whether the GOP debates matter at all. The question is how well Trump does in the primaries.
We may know early on how delusional his supporters are when they actually have to commit to him.
And here the new variable will be any trial taking place.
The GOP political news cycle will be entirely irrelevant if they remain oblivious to reality, especially if there are convictions.
They will be praying for at least a hung jury.
Bupalos
@Tony G: Why would he do that? Trump is an avatar of aggrievement, that’s where he makes his political living. If he’s fat, he both denies that he’s fat and collects the toll on non-fat “elites” saying he is fat. Any perceived vice reflected in his electorate is a chance to both deepen the shame of the vice and collect a toll paid in resentment.
RaflW
@UncleEbeneezer: “he’d go in the real world and talk to his Black Aunties and they’d all be like ‘They’re good, but I really like Joe Biden.’”
Up thread, Baud (I think) joked that Dems are ‘too diverse’ to be the real Americans.
But it’s no joke that many in the press still yammer endlessly that working class people are MAGAs. Which totally erases the large percent of the working class that are non-white and may be anything from strong Biden Dems to independent and quite leery of Republicans.
Bupalos
@Jeffro: TBF “everything shall be burned to the ground” is a kind of policy.
LiminalOwl
@zhena gogolia:
@MagdaInBlack:
@Alison Rose: May I join this sisterhood? My husband keeps urging me to wear T-shirts, but it is so hard to find non-crewneck ones in plus suzes. (I prefer v-necks to scoop but would settle for the latter.)
Brachiator
@zhena gogolia:
How times change. I remember old photographs where men wore hats, not baseball caps all the time. Then suddenly in the 1960s, hats practically disappeared.
I had to wear a tie for my first job, and later for a time, a tie and jacket when I became management. Then somewhere along the way, casual attire became the norm.
After a while, I only wore a tie for job interviews, weddings and funerals. And I don’t do formal job interviews anymore.
I wonder if ties will ever disappear entirely.
WaterGirl
@MagdaInBlack: I don’t like turtlenecks or anything tight around my wrists.
I was a
breachbreech baby and was apparently all tangled up in the umbilical cord. So that’s my theory of why I can only wear loose bracelets, etc.LiminalOwl
@Kay: Some hypotheses:
1. The people who kept schools open did not extend their concerns to teachers’ well-being or pay, so: a. They couldn’t, or didn’t care to, hire the best teachers, b. Many of teachers they did hire were less motivated (as well as possibly less prepared) to teach
2. The students in schools that were kept open saw anti-science and anti-intellectualism all around them, and a. were less motivated to learn b. received reinforcement for the idea that you gain status and power here through ignorance.
(While I’m at it: @Van Buren, thanks for your service to students.)
RaflW
@Omnes Omnibus: Turtle necks are of the Devil.
Plus, they rarely look good on the wearer anyway! Just a totally mystery garment to me as to why anyone buys or wants them.
WaterGirl
@LiminalOwl: crew neck t-shirts are designed for male bodies, not female.
LiminalOwl
@LiminalOwl: oh, and no turtlenecks, too, though occasionally cowls. (And “suzes” = sizes.)
LiminalOwl
@WaterGirl: YES.
Brachiator
@UncleEbeneezer:
Totally agree with you.
This is why the political media are trying to push stories that voters are “worried about Biden’s age” and are “uncomfortable” with Harris and might prefer other, always unnamed, Democrats.
They can’t deal with Biden’s likeability and have to work the fringes with false narratives.
kalakal
Today I have learnt what a turtleneck is ie what I have always known as a polo neck
LiminalOwl
@LiminalOwl: (tried to edit and it disappeared) Also too, I was not a breech birth AFAIK, but have survived one attempted strangulation. Plus two “not serious” attempts that, well, I’m not sure about. So there’s that.
Alison Rose
@LiminalOwl: We all need to start a clothing company together, obviously.
WaterGirl
@LiminalOwl: Oh, the strangulations. That little thing. //
dnfree
@zhena gogolia: My winter wardrobe ever since I retired has been quarter-zip fleece tops in a weight that is comfortable indoors.
LiminalOwl
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wjca
@OzarkHillbilly:
Utterly unacceptable, IMHO.
Confinement with very limited communication, sure. But not on one of his fancy properties. I believe there is a small cottage at Leavenworth which might do. Not exposed to common criminals, which will make life easier for his Secret Service detail. But not the luxury he feels is his due either.
Omnes Omnibus
@wjca: Let’s convict him first.
brantl
@Geminid: I didn’t know that ma’amby had to As or an apostrophe, actually, and I have seen it in print before.
K-Mo
@OzarkHillbilly:
Donny I got your number
1-1-3-5-8-0-nieeiiine
Geminid
@brantl: I was just making fun of the writer turning “namby-pamby” into “mamby-pamby.” I guess that happens when these phrases fall into disuse.
wjca
@MagdaInBlack:
Reminds me of my father’s oft-stated reason for disliking neckties**: “Clearly in a previous life I was hanged as a horse thief”
** A dislike I share. Why has a vestigial Serbian neck scarf persisted so long as a fashion item???
wjca
@Omnes Omnibus:
Also requires Federal charges, of course. But my (perhaps incorrect) sense was that the topic was “Appropriate punishment, assuming conviction.”
Quinerly
@Jeffro:
I WANT THESE.
Citizen Alan
@gene108: We’re not worried about losing an election. We’re worried about the possibility of not winning decisively enough to overcome Electoral College shenanigans. And also about the fact that roughly 70 million Americans are essentially Manson Family members who want to start a race war and will become violent if Uncle Charlie doesn’t become president again.
Citizen Alan
@Nukular Biskits: Goddammit, Nuk! I moved 2000 miles to not have to be reminded of that Klan Hag’s existence!
zhena gogolia
@Steeplejack: He got an undergraduate degree. He implies he got an MBA from Wharton, which is a very different thing.
zhena gogolia
@RaflW: They’re warm.
zhena gogolia
@LiminalOwl: Ooh! That sounds scary.
WaterGirl
@LiminalOwl: Oh, gosh, I hope your deleted comment didn’t mean my comment came off badly. That was my (probably awkard) way of acknowledging that that was a big deal and is likely part of the equation.
WaterGirl
@wjca:
I surely would have liked your dad if I had ever met him.
evodevo
@brantl: namby-pamby is the form I have seen it for years…meaning wishy-washy…
MomSense
@wjca:
One of my ancestors was a horse thief! He survived it but did have to “relocate”
Soprano2
@Miss Bianca: I believe there are 14 Springfields.
Soprano2
@RaflW: I cannot stand turtlenecks on me, my neck is too short. I wear cowl necks. With T-shirts it depends on how high and tight the crew neck is, some are ok and some aren’t. I know when I try it on.
Quiltingfool
If you have campaign tshirts, etc., but don’t like wearing them, consider turning them into a lap quilt! I’ve made several t-shirt quilts. It’s a nice way to preserve memories of events.
When I make them, I don’t do the same size squares that are common for t-shirt quilts. I find that boring, sorry, not sorry. I like to jazz them up a bit, but you do have to do a LOT more math!
brantl
@Mr. Bemused Senior: How about xitting (pronounced “shitting”),
as I also think all “tweets” should now be called xits (pronounced “shits”) ?
BarcaChicago
This is good to see: Spanish football team Cádiz CF (men) expressed their support for Jenni Hermoso with a huge sign saying “We are all Jenni”. Solidarity! From El Pais (Spain’s main newspaper. I lived in Spain for 10 years.)
Lyrebird
@Quiltingfool:
Do you put fusible interfacing on the back to stabilize them or just sew an all-jersey top?
I have seen vehement posts each way.
Scout211
Good to hear!
kmax
@Omnes Omnibus:
Double Windsor tied tight with a dimple.
With the right tie it’s a small knot and elegant.
LiminalOwl
@WaterGirl: No, not at all. Just deleted because I had said something that I decided was unnecessary.
LiminalOwl
@zhena gogolia: Thank you… yes, but most of a lifetime ago, so mostly over it.
Quiltingfool
@Lyrebird: Vehement posts for or against fusible interfacing in a t-shirt quilt? Ooh, love to read that! Honestly, I do what works for me and mind my business, lol!
I use fusible interfacing; it stabilizes the knit fabric by reducing the stretch and stretching is not good in a quilt top!
Steeplejack
Redacted.
J R in WV
@Scout211:
You can’t quit — you’re fired
Speaking of the Spanish futbol guy!
Regarding necks– I have a 19.5 Inch neck, and have a ton of tee shirts with a slit to make them comfortable to wear.
Chris T.
@WaterGirl:
That’s breech (i.e., the butt, where breeches go), not breach (i.e., burst through). I don’t want to think about breaching babies that much! 😀
WaterGirl
@Chris T.: Thanks for the correction!