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Thursday Morning Open Thread: Florida, Man…

by Anne Laurie|  August 31, 20238:05 am| 204 Comments

This post is in: How about that weather?, Open Threads, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You, Ron DeSaster

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At @POTUS' direction, the federal government pre-positioned personnel and resources to immediately support response and recovery efforts for Hurricane Idalia.

This Administration will continue to work closely with first responders and local officials as the storm progresses. pic.twitter.com/wz3R3FkeQt

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) August 31, 2023

Praise be the Trickster God, Idalia (so far) seems to have been far less destructive in Florida than feared. Per the Washington Post, “In Florida, Idalia leaves a trail of destruction and a sense of relief”[unpaywalled gift link]:

… As Idalia churned northeast toward Georgia and the Carolinas on Wednesday, bringing with it hurricane-force winds and more fears of fatal flooding, communities across Florida’s Big Bend region were beginning to assess the storm’s damage.

Idalia cut an unpredictable path of destruction, rending some homes from their foundations while sparing others.

But as the storm moved on from Florida, residents and officials here were hopeful that they had avoided the deadliest, worst-case scenarios, releasing a cautious, statewide exhale nearly one year after Hurricane Ian caused catastrophic damage and claimed roughly 150 lives.

“This is ten times better than what I expected to come back to,” said Joe Brenner, standing outside of his intact home in the tiny coastal town of Keaton Beach, where Idalia made landfall…

At least two motorists died while driving on the region’s rain-sodden roads, authorities said. The storm’s toll may rise in the coming days, but state leaders said they haven’t yet seen the telltale indicators of a high death count…

Ergo, I consider myself permitted to share some storm-related snark…

Even the trees have gone woke https://t.co/pic7QG7KXb

— Susan J. Demas ?? (@sjdemas) August 30, 2023

Hurricane Idalia causes 100-year-old oak tree to split, fall on Gov. DeSantis' mansion https://t.co/8iCpyOxTwm pic.twitter.com/76no5hN8PW

— WFLA NEWS (@WFLA) August 30, 2023


[Yes, snark]

vaxxed? https://t.co/juObyWezgI

— knife-wielding hemophiliac (@NickTagliaferro) August 30, 2023

We said climate change is a hoax, we pushed conspiracy theories demonizing climate scientists, we insisted that more intense storms and higher floods coming more frequently was just random weather or not real, so why won't insurance companies cover property there, I don't get it. https://t.co/ysLKdsrfmo

— Nicholas Grossman (@NGrossman81) August 30, 2023

Clearly the only answer that makes sense: the insurance companies have all gone woke.

Better ban teaching about Black history ASAP!! https://t.co/918WVSTWxD

— Centrism Fan Acct ?? (@Wilson__Valdez) August 30, 2023

Yeah, that should do it. The "S" stands for "science-based" and the "G" stands for "getting a profit."

— Nicholas Grossman (@NGrossman81) August 30, 2023

Also this. They're not just praising his response to Idalia, many of them can't help throwing in propaganda about his COVID response. https://t.co/EDbSzTX5c3

— Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) August 30, 2023

Support of DeSantis is like 95% “I’m a reactionary but I’m also sick of not being accepted in polite society because of my reactionary views.”

— ferg (@sincerelyzoomer) August 29, 2023

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    1. 1.

      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 8:10 am

      Goti lucky it made landfall in a less populated area.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      rikyrah

      August 31, 2023 at 8:12 am

      Good Morning, Everyone😊😊😊

      Reply
    3. 3.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 8:13 am

      @Baud:

      Very.  If this had hit Tampa…

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 8:14 am

      @rikyrah:

      Good morning.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Lapassionara

      August 31, 2023 at 8:14 am

      @Baud: who is Goti?

       

      good morning, everyone

      Reply
    6. 6.

      lowtechcyclist

      August 31, 2023 at 8:16 am

      Support of DeSantis is like 95% “I’m a reactionary but I’m also sick of not being accepted in polite society because of my reactionary views.”

      It doesn’t help them that they’re rarely polite in their manner of expressing those views.

      Of course, they have those views because they’re assholes, so it’s not surprising that they act like assholes.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 8:16 am

      In 1676, a Black teenager named Ann Joice arrived on the shores of Maryland with hopes of a new life.

      She had traveled to the recently founded colony from England, destined for indentured servitude, and worked as a maid for the ruling Calvert family, who for three generations had presided over Maryland as a religious haven for Catholics fleeing persecution in England.

      Contracts of indenture then could lead to relative autonomy at their completion, but Joice had arrived at a perilous time in the fledgling colony’s history, as the formal legalization of slavery had already spread quickly along the Atlantic coast.

      Eventually, her contract – the only evidence of the agreement – was set aflame by a plantation owner and military officer named Henry Darnall. She was imprisoned in a kitchen cellar for about six months and then emerged as an enslaved woman, forced to work in Darnall’s kitchens.

      So begins the lineage of the Mahoney family – the enslaved descendants of Ann Joice – whose story is at the center of a vital new work of journalism examining the Catholic church’s foundation in America and its reliance on enslaved labor and the sale of enslaved people for institutional survival.

      Authored by the journalism professor and New York Times contributor Rachel L Swarns, The 272 is a meticulously researched work of narrative history and investigative journalism. The book traces the lineage of the Mahoney family, over centuries, from Joice’s arrival in Maryland to the enslavement of her descendants on plantations owned and operated by Jesuit priests, who became among the largest enslavers in the state. It examines in devastating detail the brutality experienced by those the Jesuits enslaved: a priest who sold a child born out of wedlock as punishment for the parents, a group of people exchanged for a horse and some cash, two of Joice’s descendants hanged and mutilated after being found guilty of killing a plantation overseer.

      Much more at the link, and the book is a “must buy” for me.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      August 31, 2023 at 8:18 am

      @Lapassionara: Typos can be a bicth.

      (And is it just me, or has anyone else ever experienced a phenomenon while typing where one hand gets slightly out of sync with the other, resulting in one’s output turning into complete gibberish until one realizes, stops, and restarts more slowly?)

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      lowtechcyclist

      August 31, 2023 at 8:18 am

      @Lapassionara:

      @Baud: who is Goti?

      Maybe he misspelled ‘ghoti.’  (A fishy explanation, but it’s the best I could come up with.)

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      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 8:19 am

      @Lapassionara:

      Mongo’s cousin.

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      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 8:20 am

      @OzarkHillbilly:

      Sounds like the type of book DeSantis would ban from schools.

      Reply
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      Lapassionara

      August 31, 2023 at 8:20 am

      @Baud: 😏

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      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 8:22 am

      I got Trump cabinet meeting flashbacks during a couple of the gov’s press conferences yesterday. When state officials took the mic to give their updates, they started with slobbering paeans to DeSaster’s bold, dynamic, visionary, steadfast, unparalleled, etc., leadership. I don’t remember them doing that after Hurricane Ian.

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      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 8:24 am

      DeSantis’s problem is that primary voters aren’t attracted to competence.

      Reply
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      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 8:27 am

      @Baud: You certainly won’t find it on a Florida school library shelf.

      Reply
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      Jeffg166

      August 31, 2023 at 8:29 am

      @lowtechcyclist: My impression is that their fantasy of what their life was going to be ran into reality of their life which they would not acknowledge. Their denial of reality keeps their fantasy afloat.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 8:30 am

      @Jeffg166:

      That happens to most people though.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      August 31, 2023 at 8:31 am

      @Betty Cracker: To me, the sickening praise for Dear Leader is of a piece with Trump’s lies about his weight and his golf score. Normal people look at those and think there’s something wrong not just with the statement, but also with the need to say it.

      Reply
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      Ken

      August 31, 2023 at 8:33 am

      @Baud: DeSantis’s problem is that primary voters aren’t attracted to competence.

      But is he competent? I was under the impression his entire term as governor has been performative stunts setting up this run for president, and he (and Florida) have just been damn lucky they haven’t had another 2004 hurricane season.

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      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 8:35 am

      @Ken:

      BC would know better, but my understanding is that he understands how government works and how to use it. The fact that he also engages in performative stunts doesn’t take away from that.

      Reply
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      RevRick

      August 31, 2023 at 8:36 am

      @Baud: Hahahaha. DeSantis. Competence. Yeah, those are two words I would not put in one sentence referring to Dead Bounce Ron.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Trivia Man

      August 31, 2023 at 8:38 am

      @lowtechcyclist: Ghoti – that’s a dog whistle for the olds. It’s extra funny cause that’s how I originally read it also. Nice hint you tossed in.

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      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 8:45 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:

      I’ll be sure to cross you off the Baud! 20XX! testimonial list.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      gators lunchmeat

      August 31, 2023 at 8:45 am

      @Betty Cracker: Your stomach is stronger than mine.

      Hoping your river doesn’t rise.

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      Jeffro

      August 31, 2023 at 8:45 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: To me, the sickening praise for Dear Leader is of a piece with Trump’s lies about his weight and his golf score. Normal people look at those and think there’s something wrong not just with the statement, but also with the need to say it.

      Exactly!

      “Now get out there and tell everyone how totes awesome I was during this once in a millennium killer storm.  And don’t forget to add ‘of course, we knew this Governor would handle the hurricane with ease – just look at how he handled Covid!’  Got it?”

      what a bunch of weirdos!

      Btw Dorothy, based on your recommendation I read ‘Yellowface’ earlier this week and wow, good stuff!  I’ve got a few other books lined up to read next week, but I’ll be circling back to read ‘Babel’ before too long.  Thanks again!

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      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 8:48 am

      @RevRick: I think he’s pretty competent at getting the statehouse to do his bidding (even when it doesn’t serve their interests) and co-opting state agencies and institutions to advance his authoritarian agenda. But if you’re measuring competence by skill at serving the people of Florida, hell no, he’s not competent.

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      Dorothy A. Winsor

      August 31, 2023 at 8:50 am

      @Jeffro: I’m glad you liked it. You never can tell how a book will land with someone else.

      Reply
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      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 8:53 am

      @gators lunchmeat: Thanks! The river definitely rose a little, but since we’re in a hole due to a drought, it’s still beneath normal levels for this time of year. We’re too far upriver from the Gulf to get the tidal surges that caused rivers to overtop their banks closer to the shore — fortunate placement for this particular weather event for sure!

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    29. 29.

      Dangerman

      August 31, 2023 at 8:56 am

      No insurance? Damn, the State Government will have to step in. Probably have to radically raise taxes. That’s not going to look good for the Governor’s campaign (I’ve seen fish floating at the top of a tank that show more life then the Governors campaign but I digress).

      Reply
    30. 30.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 8:56 am

      No Labor Day off for Recip Tayyip Erdogan. The Turkish President will meet Putin Monday at the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi. Topics to be discussed include Black Sea grain shipments, Syria and Turkey’s gas bill.

      Not-so-fun Sochi fact: In 1866, after the Russian-Circassian War and resulting genocide, Russian sources say that the population of Sochi had dropped from 100,000 to 98.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 8:57 am

      And the summer of concerts continues into fall:

      https://variety.com/2023/music/news/taylor-swift-concert-film-amc-theaters-eras-tour-october-1235709150/

      Barbie was my first movie back since the pandemic.  I am not a Swiftie, although I like her music generally, but hell yeah I’m going.

      I guess I need to find some bracelets…

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Cameron

      August 31, 2023 at 8:58 am

      @Dangerman: That’s a joke, right?  DeSantis raise taxes?

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    33. 33.

      Another Scott

      August 31, 2023 at 8:58 am

      Biden made the point yesterday that lots of Florida wooden power poles were replaced with steel – with federal money – after a previous hurricane. Things like that probably made Florida more resilient. But doesn’t get much attention…

      Meanwhile, … Phys.org:

      Dr. Crockford spent time in rural areas in three states in the southern US—Arizona, Louisiana, and Missouri. She found denial, a political-media ecosystem funded by fossil fuel companies, and the influence of conservative white evangelicalism.

      Those who Dr. Crockford spoke to did care about erosion and storms and fire and flood and their homes and their livelihoods and their communities. They were aware of climate changes and impacts from extreme weather events. However, they understand these events through what they had personally experienced—which they saw as caused by natural and supernatural factors—rather than through climate science.

      Dr. Crockford said, “I found a lack of belief in climate change or action comes not from emotional reactions or information deficit but because people’s knowledge is insufficient for the scale of the problem faced. People could claim a sense of innocence by refusing to accept climate change.

      “Some people thought climate change was just a plot cooked up by the Democrats to force through socialist policies by inventing a phony crisis to solve. Those with religious faith thought what happened in nature could only be determined by God not affected by human activity.

      “Fewer people worked in the oil industry but it maintained its symbolic status. ‘People need power,’ I was told, ‘we gotta keep the lights on.’ This was said with a shrug, indicating a level of resignation over the loss of land and pollution from oil spills as the price to pay for the benefits that fossil fuels brought.”

      […]

      On the subject of erosion, however, James was clear-sighted: “The erosion’s killing us,” he told Dr. Crockford, reflecting on the changes he had seen in his lifetime: “I saw the environment change from a young age to what it is now … all the places I used to fish are no longer there, it’s just open water.”

      Dr. Crockford said, “In Louisiana people interviewed had an acute awareness of the fragility of the land they lived on and the risks to their way of life that they could observe and experience personally. However, their own direct observation and personal experience was prior to, and more important than, the computational models and numerical abstractions—’the graphs’—of climate science. Climate changes such as erosion and oil spills could be seen, whereas sea level rise could not.”

      Ethnos – Journal of Anthropology

      As always, political and policy messages have to be customized to the local circumstances and local voters. Biden is very, very good at that and people should pay attention to him and his approach.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Suzanne

      August 31, 2023 at 8:58 am

      Hurricane Idalia causes 100-year-old oak tree to split, fall on Gov. DeSantis’ mansion

      OH LOOK, A METAPHOR!

      So “unpredictable” is spot on. My cousin and his wife, who live full-time on St. George Island, evacuated on Tuesday. They were monitoring their house remotely, and he said they never even lost power or internet out there. No damage at all. They went back yesterday and helped neighbors, some of whom were not so lucky.

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      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 9:00 am

      @Suzanne:

      Wow. That’s good luck.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Jeffg166

      August 31, 2023 at 9:02 am

      @Baud: True.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 9:03 am

      @Suzanne:

      Glad they made it through safely and can go back to help.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 9:03 am

      My favorite storm pic from the local dailies.

      Girl kayaking on a flooded street with a French bulldog

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 9:04 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      Aww. Almost makes me wish my area would flood.  (I don’t have a surfboard though.)

      Reply
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      Another Scott

      August 31, 2023 at 9:06 am

      @Betty Cracker: The lawn sprinklers going off is [ chef’s kiss ].

      Cheers,
      Scott.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Ken

      August 31, 2023 at 9:06 am

      @Betty Cracker: Are those lawn sprinklers running on the left?

      I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised, I see them running during rainstorms all the time.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Kosh III

      August 31, 2023 at 9:07 am

      Re: ” Jesuit priests, who became among the largest enslavers in the state.”

      The largest slave owner in Middle Tennessee was Bishop Leonidas Polk, a cousin of President Polk.  Polk was a West Point graduate who became an Missionary Episcopal priest and later a Bishop. He owned(by some reports) over 1000 slaves.
      At the start of the Southern War of Treason, he was appointed Major-General in the Confederacy Army and died in battle.

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      sab

      August 31, 2023 at 9:10 am

      @Ken: Sprinklers are often on timers, so it’s easier to just let them run than to turn them off.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Soprano2

      August 31, 2023 at 9:14 am

      Good morning everyone. It looks like we’re going to have nice weather for the Labor Day weekend – highs in the mid to upper 80’s, lows in the 60’s. All the businesses at the lakes will be extremely happy. I always feel sad at this time of year, close to the end of summer, because I love the warm weather. It was nice yesterday – low 80’s, relatively low humidity, and I thought “I could live like this all the time, who needs it to be freezing weather?”. I dread the return of winter.

      On that note, I found out yesterday that as usual anything with our house is harder than it needs to be. I had an HVAC guy come out to quote me a price on a new furnace. He said “You’re going to have to have someone get the old furnace out of here, they might have to use a blow torch because it definitely won’t fit up the stairs and through the door”. So now I have to get that done, plus having someone paint all the asbestos that’s on the furnace ducting. *sigh* It’s always something, isn’t it? Maybe someone can just take the furnace apart and get it out a piece at a time. The HVAC man gave me contact info on the handyman he uses to do small stuff for him, so I guess I’ll call that guy today. I also need some other stuff done, so maybe I can kill two birds with one stone.

      I read that story about “Atlanta” magazine. Doesn’t McGinnis realize that using the wrong pronouns for someone is also “taking a side”? I go with calling people what they want to be called, it’s only polite. Why do people insist on being assholes? I find it interesting that he’s wanting to rein in a lot of stories solely based on his and the owner’s feelings, rather than any actual reader feedback. I get the distinct impression that the only people who are upset about those things in the magazine are him and the owners, but the actual readers are fine with it.

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      Chris

      August 31, 2023 at 9:14 am

      @Jeffg166:

      Seconding Baud’s response.

      Nobody’s life turns out exactly like they’d hoped.  Most of us have at least a few reasons to be disappointed about that.  We just don’t react by blaming it all on black people, gay people, Muslim people, and any people who’ve ever tried to make life even a little bit better for somebody else.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 9:16 am

      @Baud: I think Badger would sit still like that. Pete would try to climb on the paddler’s head and capsize the board.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Shalimar

      August 31, 2023 at 9:16 am

      @Baud: DeSantis understands how government works when he wants to use it for revenge against people who have crossed him.  He understands propaganda.  He understands how to fill appointed positions with cronies.  And he understands how to use fear to control Republican legislators.

      None of those things are competent governance.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Doug R

      August 31, 2023 at 9:16 am

      @eclare: Those concert movies if well done are good for marginal fans who won’t spend hundreds of $ to camp out and watch a huge star live, but will spend $20 apiece to watch a concert filmed well.

      Took my daughter to the 3D U2 IMAX film a few years back-she and I digged it.

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    49. 49.

      Ken

      August 31, 2023 at 9:16 am

      @sab: It’s just in a world where we put microchips in greeting cards and toasters, I’d expect a little more intelligence in sprinkler systems, perhaps a sensor for soil moisture.

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      Chris

      August 31, 2023 at 9:19 am

      @OzarkHillbilly:

      So begins the lineage of the Mahoney family – the enslaved descendants of Ann Joice – whose story is at the center of a vital new work of journalism examining the Catholic church’s foundation in America and its reliance on enslaved labor and the sale of enslaved people for institutional survival.

      I’ll never forget the priest at my alma mater who once tried to tell me that if the thirteen colonies had been founded by us instead of the Protestants, slavery would have ended a lot sooner.

      (You know, like it did in Cuba and Brazil and…  I’ll come in again).

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      geg6

      August 31, 2023 at 9:20 am

      @eclare:

      Thanks for the tip.  I just shared this with my Barbie companions, my niece and sister.  We’ll surely be there, too.

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    52. 52.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 9:21 am

      @Doug R:

      Fingers crossed Beyonce comes out with one too.  Neither tour came to Memphis, our arena isn’t big enough.  Not that I could afford to go anyway!

      Reply
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      zhena gogolia

      August 31, 2023 at 9:22 am

      @Betty Cracker: That looks like my canine nephew.

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    54. 54.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 9:22 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      Hahaha…

      Reply
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      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 9:24 am

      @Suzanne: That’s amazing! I’ve stayed on St. George Island a time or two and always assumed it would be swallowed by the Gulf if a hurricane even brushed it — it’s such a narrow, vulnerable spit of sand. I’m happy for them!

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      prostratedragon

      August 31, 2023 at 9:25 am

      @Betty Cracker:  Well natch, because bulldog!

       

      @Bruce K in ATH-GR:  When I do what you describe I get letters revesred. For complete gobbledygook it’s hard to beat the old homekey shift.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      sab

      August 31, 2023 at 9:26 am

      @Ken: Shows how old I am. When I was a kid in Florida in the 1960s our sprinklers ran through every hurricane because it was such a pain to shut them off. But that was 1960s technology when computers ran on punch cards and our sprinklers ran on a clock with gears.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      sab

      August 31, 2023 at 9:29 am

      @eclare: $499 per ticket when they hacked my bank account to buy them.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      UncleEbeneezer

      August 31, 2023 at 9:30 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: At this point it’s beginning to feel like pretty much EVERY American Institution has a story like this in its’ past.  But of course, acknowledging that would be evil CRT or something…

      Reply
    60. 60.

      catclub

      August 31, 2023 at 9:30 am

      @Betty Cracker: ​
        The paddleboard versus kayak kooks will be coming for the caption author.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 9:31 am

      @Betty Cracker: Heh, “kayaks with her french bulldog” on a paddle board.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 9:31 am

      @sab:

      Yeah I read the average Swiftie spent $1300 to attend her concert, including the ticket, travel, merchandise, etc.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      prostratedragon

      August 31, 2023 at 9:31 am

      @OzarkHillbilly:  Thanks! I’ll be getting the kindle momentarily, but it’s the kind of thing I might also want in bound paper.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 9:32 am

      @catclub:

      I didn’t even notice that.  Wow what an idiot.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      BellyCat

      August 31, 2023 at 9:34 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: This is absolutely shocking but not in the least surprising. (And eversor will surely thank you for this catnip!)

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 9:34 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: They should have asked the girl what the dog’s name is and printed that! I want to know! ;-)

      Reply
    67. 67.

      UncleEbeneezer

      August 31, 2023 at 9:34 am

      @eclare: Beyonce has had an awful lot of cameras on stage for her shows, so I’m guessing that might be the case.  Also, the show (like the Coachella show, captured in Homecoming) seems custom made for a video release.

      As I said yesterday, there are some really good, HD vids of full shows from the Renaissance tour, on YouTube.  Definitely worth it if you have HD tv with a fairly big screen.  Looks like a truly amazing concert.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 9:35 am

      @Kosh III: “How saucy they are!” General Sherman exclaimed when he saw Bishop Polk and other Confederates surveying the Union lines near Kennesaw Mountain.

      They were too saucy. Soon after, a Union artillerist cut the incautious Polk almost in half with a well-aimed shot.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Sandia Blanca

      August 31, 2023 at 9:37 am

      OT, check out the article in today’s Washington Post about George Santos/Anthony Devolder. Hilarious and infuriating both.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 9:38 am

      @catclub: Heh, as predicted!

      Reply
    71. 71.

      UncleEbeneezer

      August 31, 2023 at 9:42 am

      Yesterday I started going down the rabbit-hole of the Genocide of Native/Indigenous People in CA. It’s really mind-blowing how much terrible shit this country has done.  This book on the subject, looks pretty good:

      Between 1846 and 1873, California’s Indian population plunged from perhaps 150,000 to 30,000. Benjamin Madley is the first historian to uncover the full extent of the slaughter, the involvement of state and federal officials, the taxpayer dollars that supported the violence, indigenous resistance, who did the killing, and why the killings ended. This deeply researched book is a comprehensive and chilling history of an American genocide.

      Madley describes pre-contact California and precursors to the genocide before explaining how the Gold Rush stirred vigilante violence against California Indians. He narrates the rise of a state-sanctioned killing machine and the broad societal, judicial, and political support for genocide. Many participated: vigilantes, volunteer state militiamen, U.S. Army soldiers, U.S. congressmen, California governors, and others. The state and federal governments spent at least $1,700,000 on campaigns against California Indians. Besides evaluating government officials’ culpability, Madley considers why the slaughter constituted genocide and how other possible genocides within and beyond the Americas might be investigated using the methods presented in this groundbreaking book.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 9:43 am

      @Betty Cracker: My eldest granddaughter has superglue bonded with my sons Aussie, Rudy. If we do a day float on the river she brings her paddle board and Rudy and he is her constant companion sitting on the paddle board with her. Normally he is as hyper active as any other Aussie but he just sits there with her, very calmly taking it all in.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 9:43 am

      @UncleEbeneezer:

      I have a smart dvr, but not a smart TV, so I’m not sure I can get it on my tv.  And no way am I watching Beyonce on a computer screen.

      Homecoming was amazing.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      lowtechcyclist

      August 31, 2023 at 9:44 am

      @eclare: Holy crap!  I haven’t attended any concerts since we adopted the kiddo back in 2009, but the last one I went to was Dylan and Elvis Costello at Meriwether Post Pavilion somewhere around 2007 or 2008.  Tickets were still in the double digits, and the only other expense was gas to get us there and back from Calvert County.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      catclub

      August 31, 2023 at 9:44 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: magazine versus clip

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Ocotillo

      August 31, 2023 at 9:46 am

      @Ken:  Actually there are gizmos that hook up the sprinkler system, a sort of rain gauge thing, and if it senses water in the gauge, the system does not water that cycle.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 9:48 am

      @catclub: Oh, that is much worse. Just ask any gun nut.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 9:48 am

      @lowtechcyclist:

      The ladies (Beyonce, Taylor, Barbie) are making a ton of money this summer.  And it looks like they will continue to.

      Reply
    79. 79.

      geg6

      August 31, 2023 at 9:53 am

      @lowtechcyclist: ​
       

      I know my niece paid big bucks to see Swift here in the ‘Burgh. I think the tickets were about $500 each, but they were pretty good seats in a big stadium. And then she easily spent another $300-400 on just the right outfit to wear, dinner out with her friend who went with her, parking, bracelets (di rigueur) and merch.

      Several weeks later, she and I went to see Ed Sheeran at the same venue and with another sold out crowd, but we only paid $39 for our tickets at the top of the stadium. We were more interested in his music than in actually get a close up view. But interestingly enough, his stage was amazing and they had plenty of screens around to catch the action close up. I enjoyed it very much.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 9:54 am

      Assuming Donald Trump clinches the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, it would be unfair for any court dates associated with the former president’s pending criminal charges to “compromise [his] ability to have a robust campaign schedule”, the Democratic US congressman Ro Khanna has said.

      I have a lot I would like to say to Mr Khanna, but I am sure plenty others will chime in so I’ll just leave it at maybe the GOP shouldn’t nominate an ongoing criminal enterprise as their candidate and if they choose to it’s their own damned fault.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      CaseyL

      August 31, 2023 at 9:57 am

      @Soprano2: ​

      I always feel sad at this time of year, close to the end of summer, because I love the warm weather.

      And here I am at the opposite side of that spectrum, feeling relieved that summer is ending, and reveling in the return of cooler, cloudier weather :)

      My perfect weather is mid-60s to mid-70s. I enjoy sunshine, as long as the sun is presiding over cool-to-warm temperatures. Anything hotter than that, much less in the upper 80s and above, makes me miserable.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      geg6

      August 31, 2023 at 9:57 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: ​
       
      He’s such an idiot. Every time I see him on tv, he’s saying the stupidest thing possible for a Dem to say. CA, you can do better.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      geg6

      August 31, 2023 at 10:00 am

      @CaseyL: ​
       
      Come sit by me. 65-78 degrees is my jam. And sun, if possible.

      It’s supposed to be in the 90-100 degree range starting Sunday and going through next week. I dread it. The last two days have been a lovely preview of my favorite season and it sucks that I’m going to have to suffer through at least another week of miserable heat. I hate it.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Baud

      August 31, 2023 at 10:01 am

      @OzarkHillbilly:

      What a douche.  We have idiots at both ends of our caucus.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 10:02 am

      @CaseyL:

      I’m ok up to about 90, and luckily the highest in our seven day forecast is 92.  But my attitude when summer starts to end is “thank dog, I endured another one.”

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Chris

      August 31, 2023 at 10:03 am

      @catclub:

      “You call that a clip?  THIS is a clip!”
      “That’s not a clip!  It’s a magazine!”
      “All right, all right.  I see you’ve played clippy-magazinny before.”

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Tony Jay

      August 31, 2023 at 10:07 am

      @OzarkHillbilly:

      Assuming Donald Trump clinches the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, it would be unfair for any court dates associated with the former president’s pending criminal charges to “compromise [his] ability to have a robust campaign schedule”, the Democratic US congressman Ro Khanna has said.

      “And just like the overwhelming majority of Americans, I am perfectly fine with that. FAFO fo’ sho’, ho ho ho,” continued the congressman, after taking note of the disapproving expressions on the faces of absolutely everyone not holding a microphone or wearing a red cap.

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Other MJS

      August 31, 2023 at 10:09 am

      @lowtechcyclist:

      Maybe he misspelled ‘ghoti.’

      Batman explains.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Omnes Omnibus

      August 31, 2023 at 10:11 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: ​
        Why? That is my question for Ro. Why is it unfair?

      Reply
    90. 90.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 10:13 am

      @Tony Jay: Baseball had a Shoeless Joe, now Congress has a Clueless Ro.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      UncleEbeneezer

      August 31, 2023 at 10:16 am

      @eclare: This is the thing that makes a smart tv worth the $.  You can just airplay YouTube videos from your computer and most times the picture will be pretty great even scaling to a decent size tv screen.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      eclare

      August 31, 2023 at 10:18 am

      @UncleEbeneezer:

      Oh I’ve thought about it, just never taken the plunge.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 10:19 am

      @geg6: Glibertarian venture capitalist David Sacks hosted a Silicon Valley fundraiser for Rep. Khanna a couple months ago. It looks like Sacks is getting a good return on his investment.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Soprano2

      August 31, 2023 at 10:19 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: They shouldn’t nominate a fucking criminal, then. There are other choices!

      Reply
    95. 95.

      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 10:20 am

      @geg6: He seems like a compulsive contrarian. Wherever the party consensus is, he stakes out a different position, even if it’s illogical and ideologically inconsistent.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 10:21 am

      @Omnes Omnibus: Exactly. They have what, 18 others to choose from? and instead they go with the one most likely to spend the rest of his life in SuperMax? Only the best people…

      Reply
    97. 97.

      sdhays

      August 31, 2023 at 10:22 am

      @Another Scott: Those with religious faith thought what happened in nature could only be determined by God not affected by human activity.

      Oh, yeah. Blame it on God. How fucking convenient. WTF is human activity if not changing the environment around us? That’s just their excuse for not wanting to deal with anything.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Chris

      August 31, 2023 at 10:24 am

      @sdhays:

      My Christianity is mostly a lapsed matter at this point, but it saddens me somehow how many Christians have apparently made it through all those years of church without ever hearing the “God sent you a car, a boat, a helicopter” parable.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Kay

      August 31, 2023 at 10:28 am

      One-time Republican gubernatorial candidate Tudor Dixon said former President Donald Trump told her to change her messaging on abortion during her 2022 campaign, but was too late, she said on her podcast Wednesday.
      “You came to me and you said, ‘you’ve got to talk differently about abortion.’ And we could not pivot, we could not pivot in time,” Dixon said. “You were absolutely right, sir.”

      Lol. Anti abortion people. So incredibly principled.

      It was too late for her to “pivot” and start lying about her position. Can’t trust them as far as you can throw them.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      Tony Jay

      August 31, 2023 at 10:28 am

      @Geminid:

      There will always be politicians who see themselves as the uncrowned kings of Centristia, that fairytale land where mules lie down with elephants and every night is a festival of good-natured togetherness.

      It’s the delusion that makes the silly happen.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 10:29 am

      @Geminid: Last October, when the ill-advised, ill-timed letter about negotiating an end to the ear in Ukraine was released, most of the 30 Reps who “signed” it were blindsided. Khanna knew about it though, and was on TV defending the proposal even after Progressive Caicus Chair Jayapal had renounced it.

      I can see why Democrats swept that sorry affair under the rug, but I still wish some enterprising journalist would get to the bottom of the matter.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 10:34 am

      First hurricanes, now wildfire: Louisiana parish takes on a new climate disaster

      “I am tired, all of our people are exhausted,” she said. “But let me tell you something. We won’t stop. We have lost homes, but we have not lost any lives.”

      Like other residents speaking to the Guardian from this heavily Republican region, Bailey was reluctant to draw a link between the disaster and the climate crisis.

      “I don’t feel like in my position I’m qualified to answer those questions,” she said.

      I get the impression that she gets it, she really does but she is afraid to say as much because of the shunning that will surely follow any heresy.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      smith

      August 31, 2023 at 10:35 am

      @Tony Jay: The maddening thing is that those sports of nature somehow only occur on our side of the aisle.

      Reply
    104. 104.

      WhatsMyNym

      August 31, 2023 at 10:36 am

      @eclare:  You better off using the cheapest Roku than any Smart TV.  The TV won’t have as much memory, and they will not update the software as often, if at all.  Cheaper to buy a newer Roku every few years than high end TV.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      RaflW

      August 31, 2023 at 10:40 am

      “This Administration will continue to work closely with first responders and local officials as the storm progresses.” Yes, that is a dig against Ron. Well done, as usual by the WH social media team!

      The previous sentence in the Xeet won’t stop dime-store dimwits like Katy Tur from asking “Why weren’t you ready for the storm?” because they think it looks tough to ask inane questions that were answered before they drew breath.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Jeffro

      August 31, 2023 at 10:42 am

      @Sandia Blanca: “…and people say it’s Brazil that’s a corrupt mess.”

      exactly!

      Reply
    107. 107.

      RaflW

      August 31, 2023 at 10:47 am

      @eclare: A Chromecast 4K costs 69 bucks. No need to buy a new TV if you have an HDMI port free. We’re pretty low tech here so I’m still fine with the old twenty nine dollar ‘Cast that I have that runs 1080p.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 10:47 am

      @Kay: I guess I shouldn’t be so amazed at how openly cynical they are. It’s so 2015! ;-)

      From the linked article:

      Trump told Dixon there’s a way to deftly handle abortion that avoided the pitfalls she fell into. Trump has not offered a specific stance on abortion and has not said whether he’d back a national ban on abortion.

      “It didn’t happen to me because there’s a way of talking about it,” Trump said. “I think exceptions are very important, I think you need the exceptions, you and I talked about that.”

      I remember when he accidentally told the truth on this issue in 2016 when applying “pro life” rhetoric to its logical yet unscripted conclusion: “You have to punish the women.” They walked that back in a hurry! I guess that’s why he’s the expert now.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Alison Rose

      August 31, 2023 at 10:51 am

      The tree is my new hero.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      OverTwistWillie

      August 31, 2023 at 10:51 am

      @smith:

      Yale Law is a retched hive of scum and villainy.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      Jeffro

      August 31, 2023 at 10:53 am

      @Kay: the thought of calling trump “sir”…I mean, gag me

      I’d love to hear more about this magical ‘pivot’ from more GOP candidates.  Let us hear from you, Republicans!  Tell us allllllll about your ‘pivot’

      Reply
    112. 112.

      SiubhanDuinne

      August 31, 2023 at 10:53 am

      According to a WaPo “breaking news” banner, Clarence Thomas has filed a financial disclosure stating that he travelled on Harlan Crow’s private plane last year “out of security concerns” after the Dobbs decision.

      What a craven tool he is.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      Josie

      August 31, 2023 at 10:54 am

      @Geminid: ​
       I agree. I lost a lot of respect for Jayapal during that kerfluffle. Do you think Khanna engineered it?

      Reply
    114. 114.

      Tony G

      August 31, 2023 at 10:56 am

      DeSantis attacked by one of the Screaming Trees.  Time to burn down all of those woke trees.

      Reply
    115. 115.

      schrodingers_cat

      August 31, 2023 at 11:00 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: He is a rightwing mole in progressive clothing. Here he is hanging with a known hatemonger in India. Ro was in India as a part of a Congressional delegation.

      Abhijeet Iyer-Mitra writes screeds in a right wing rag and on social media, he has no official government position nor is an elected politician.

      The BJP-RSS is making inroads into our politics with folks like Khanna and Ramaswamy. Netanyahu and Likud is their inspiration.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      The Thin Black Duke

      August 31, 2023 at 11:00 am

      @Tony G: “The Ents are going to war.”

      Reply
    117. 117.

      Jeffro

      August 31, 2023 at 11:01 am

      @SiubhanDuinne: I just saw that.

      The nerve of these people!! 😠

      Reply
    118. 118.

      Betty

      August 31, 2023 at 11:03 am

      Way off the current subject, but I just saw two bizarre articles on Google news. One says Russia is claiming that a NATO country is trying to assassinate Zelenskyi. The other one from the Times of Israel says Zelenskyi is sending Ukrainians to die as revenge for pogroms. What’s going on?

      Reply
    119. 119.

      Omnes Omnibus

      August 31, 2023 at 11:04 am

      @OverTwistWillie: So true.  Hillary Clinton (and Bill), Sonia Sotomayor, and Jerry Brown are among the most evil people this country has ever produced.

      Reply
    120. 120.

      Chris

      August 31, 2023 at 11:04 am

      @schrodingers_cat:

      While I understand the logic behind it, there’s still something spectacular about the extent to which fascists of all racial and religious backgrounds are increasingly happy to come together if it means wrecking liberal democracy.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      StringOnAStick

      August 31, 2023 at 11:04 am

      @Ken: I swear, half of why people waste so much water via yard irrigation is because they have “dumb” sprinkler controllers that are too hard to adjust without trashing the program their lawn service set, and too hard to restore or program.  When we redid our valves, we added a smart controller that I can program easily from my PC or phone, and since I can do everything needed in any drip system between the valves and the garden beds, the set up I created in my veggie garden is the most hassle free watering system I’ve ever had.  All I do is monitor the plants, fertilize, and pick veggies.

      Reply
    122. 122.

      Sure Lurkalot

      August 31, 2023 at 11:05 am

      @RaflW:

      The previous sentence in the Xeet won’t stop dime-store dimwits like Katy Tur from asking “Why weren’t you ready for the storm?”

      In this case, the Biden administration has a good answer…DeSantis turned down hundreds of millions of federal funding for climate mitigation and clean energy investment. “Too woke, I guess,” Biden quipped.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      Mr. Bemused Senior

      August 31, 2023 at 11:05 am

      @Tony Jay: There will always be politicians who see themselves as the uncrowned kings of Centristia, that fairytale land…

      At this point, though, willful blindness is an understatement. David Broder is dead, Mitch McConnell has frozen up and Trump is openly calling for retribution. Can anyone still think “oh, it’s just talk, what’s the harm”?

      Reply
    124. 124.

      Citizen Alan

      August 31, 2023 at 11:06 am

      @Soprano2: Eh, not really. There may be distinctions in how openly criminal a Republican is, but there are no honest ones.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      lowtechcyclist

      August 31, 2023 at 11:08 am

      @SiubhanDuinne: Because he wouldn’t be safe in a first-class seat on a commercial airliner. Uhhuh.

      Reply
    126. 126.

      smith

      August 31, 2023 at 11:08 am

      @Betty: It looks like a typical Russian misinformation operation to me. They are masters at planting stories that gullible or complicit news organizations pick up and run with, no questions asked. Adam Silverman has been talking about this for years.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      schrodingers_cat

      August 31, 2023 at 11:09 am

      @Chris: They are the new Axis powers in our global cold war.

      Reply
    128. 128.

      Betty

      August 31, 2023 at 11:10 am

      @Betty: It turns out both stories originated with the Russians. The NATO country referred to is the UK. Not sure why The Times of Israel thought they repeat the story.

      Reply
    129. 129.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 11:13 am

      @Josie: Everyone involved seemed to have kept their mouths shut afterwards. That was neccesary at the time I thought, considering that the letter was released just a couple of weeks before the midterms and could have blown up into a distraction.

      I noticed at the time that many of the signers expressed surprise and distanced themselves. One Rep said the last she saw was a draft circulated at the end of June. Progressive Caucus staff were ready and mounted a campaign for the proposal on their website and Twitter account. Yet only 30 out of 90+ Caucus members’ names were on the letter.

      At first, Rep. Jayapal got behind the letter, but by evening Jayapal was talking like someone had pressed the wrong button and released the letter by mistake. It was a discreditable performance for sure. Khanna was still defending the letter that night.

      Reply
    130. 130.

      Alison Rose

      August 31, 2023 at 11:13 am

      @OverTwistWillie: BRB posting this on their Yelp page.

      Reply
    131. 131.

      lowtechcyclist

      August 31, 2023 at 11:13 am

      @Betty:

      Way off the current subject, but I just saw two bizarre articles on Google news. One says Russia is claiming that a NATO country is trying to assassinate Zelenskyi. The other one from the Times of Israel says Zelenskyi is sending Ukrainians to die as revenge for pogroms. What’s going on?

      I don’t know about the Times of Israel, but Russia claims all sorts of crazy shit every day; their claims shouldn’t qualify as news.  See https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews.

      Reply
    132. 132.

      Alison Rose

      August 31, 2023 at 11:14 am

      @SiubhanDuinne: BAHAHAHAHAHA YEAH FUCKING RIGHT. Security concerns. Sure, dude.

      Reply
    133. 133.

      Alison Rose

      August 31, 2023 at 11:15 am

      @Betty: Just more russian disinfo bullshit.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      Kent

      August 31, 2023 at 11:17 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: It would actually be POLITICIZING the criminal justice system if we adjusted legal proceedings out of political considerations.

      That is the point these craven lackeys don’t get.  Or refuse to acknowledge.

      Reply
    135. 135.

      StringOnAStick

      August 31, 2023 at 11:18 am

      @CaseyL: I want cooler weather and rain, so the fires that are giving us air of 150 to 300 will be better controlled. Obviously only winter is going to stop them.

      Reply
    136. 136.

      OzarkHillbilly

      August 31, 2023 at 11:20 am

      @Alison Rose: TBH, if I met Clarence on the street I’d be hard pressed to resist the urge to slap the piss out of him.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      smith

      August 31, 2023 at 11:21 am

      @Betty: The question is, if we in the peanut gallery can readily recognize stories like this for what they are, why can’t the editors who choose to run them? Neither of the ones you cite pass the laugh test — they sound like something your crackpot uncle might post on Face Book.

      Reply
    138. 138.

      Alison Rose

      August 31, 2023 at 11:24 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: An understandable urge.

      But like…sure, maybe he had some valid concerns after taking away the right to bodily autonomy from roughly half the population, but I seriously doubt “a creepy billionaire’s private jet” was the only solution there.

      Reply
    139. 139.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 11:25 am

      @lowtechcyclist: The Times of Israel decided that an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory promoted by a prominent  Russian news site was a story that needed to be reported and debunked, which is what their article did. They’re pretty sensitive about such stories.

      Reply
    140. 140.

      Heidi Mom

      August 31, 2023 at 11:26 am

      @geg6: Agreed.  Most people seem to think that August is the “summeriest” month, but I think it’s July.  August brings some days like this — currently 74 degrees with low humidity — to south-central PA, and it gives us hope.

      Reply
    141. 141.

      piratedan

      August 31, 2023 at 11:28 am

      @SiubhanDuinne: after making 52% of the country no longer primary owners of their own bodily autonomy, he was afraid that some of them wimmin’ folk might get “uppity”.

      Reply
    142. 142.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 11:29 am

      @Soprano2: Can’t the old furnace be disassembled somehow? It must be screwed together in places (I would think).

      Maybe that would cost more money…

      Reply
    143. 143.

      artem1s

      August 31, 2023 at 11:30 am

      slightly off topic… got this today from Tim Ryan – you know the guy who couldn’t beat Vance, mostly because he spent every dollar trying to lure WWC retirees ample butts off their diner stools and into voting for WWC, gliberaria, both-siderism lite when those guys were obviously going to throw their weigh behind whomever let inmate # P01135809 take the biggest taste of his campaign war chest.

      TLDR: We The People is not a political campaign…

      We want to promote the good ideas getting drowned out by the current political conversation — ideas like medicinal innovations for veteran trauma and how we can re-energize small towns across the country with manufacturing.
      We spend billions of dollars on political campaigns in this country. Staff, volunteers, TV ads — all of that. And then when the campaign is over everything washes away like a sand castle on the beach hit by a wave.
      In order to get different results we need different strategies. We plan on being around for the long haul. And to do that, we need people on the ground — everywhere. We want to put a WTP representative in all 3,142 counties in the nation.
      We’re going to reach people through compelling ideas, videos, and highlighting ordinary people doing extraordinary things.Your contributions support all of that.
      Soif you can contribute a few dollars, I want you to know that your money is going toward something different — something big, something ambitious, and something built to last. 

      Exactly how is this not a political campaign? Exactly what political conversation is he referring to and how is any of that the DNC or the DCCC fault? Sounds a lot like he wants to take money out of urban Democratic strongholds and waste it chasing ‘independents’ and ‘green party’ wannabees like RFK. No way am I giving money to the guy who challenged Nance Smash for the speaker ship and blew a god given opportunity to take back Rob Portman’s Senate seat. I’m really starting to hate this guy and the other fundraising scams going on in Ohio right now promising they can turn Ohio blue again – by taking money out of the party’s hands?

      Reply
    144. 144.

      wjca

      August 31, 2023 at 11:30 am

      @RevRick: You can easily put “DeSantis” and “competence” in the same sentence.  You just need to link them with “utter lack of”

      Reply
    145. 145.

      Low Key Swagger

      August 31, 2023 at 11:31 am

      May have already been said, but the fact that this storm moved fast was a blessing.  Sitting still dumping rain is a worst case scenario.

      Reply
    146. 146.

      Soprano2

      August 31, 2023 at 11:33 am

      @SiubhanDuinne:  “out of security concerns”

      Translation – “I was afraid people might angrily confront me about my vote to take away women’s reproductive rights, so like the coward I am I had to hide from them”.

      Reply
    147. 147.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 11:34 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: Well Mr. Khanna can go eat a bag of salted dicks.

      Reply
    148. 148.

      jonas

      August 31, 2023 at 11:34 am

      @SiubhanDuinne: Huh. I thought Thomas tooled around in a modest, understated $250,000 RV.

      Oh, that was also paid for by another rich GOP lobbyist. Never mind.

      Reply
    149. 149.

      Other MJS

      August 31, 2023 at 11:34 am

      @sdhays: I love the selectiveness with which some folks attribute to God what most of us think is determined by chance. By that logic, you should frequent casinos to allow God to determine how much money you should have.

      Reply
    150. 150.

      Betty

      August 31, 2023 at 11:35 am

      @Alison Rose: So shame on Google news for spreading it.

      Reply
    151. 151.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 11:36 am

      @Betty Cracker: You know if he lived in S. Carolina, he’d be a GQPer…

      Reply
    152. 152.

      Soprano2

      August 31, 2023 at 11:36 am

      @StringOnAStick: Last year I had my mother’s lawn service set her sprinklers, since I know nothing about those systems. They set it to come on EVERY DAY, instead of the 3 days a week they told me they were going to set. I didn’t know it until I got the next month’s water bill, which was easily 10x what her usual bill was even when she lived there! I was pretty pissed, but I had to pay the bill. I called them and told them what happened; they were skeptical until they came and saw what they had done. I made sure they fixed it!

      Reply
    153. 153.

      Sure Lurkalot

      August 31, 2023 at 11:36 am

      @SiubhanDuinne: Clarence, always and ever the victim. He has to fly private and vacation at private resorts because otherwise he would surely be targeted, assailed or maybe even confronted.

      Edit: I see Soprano2 has the same thought.

      Reply
    154. 154.

      Betty Cracker

      August 31, 2023 at 11:37 am

      @Kent: Thank you! That insight seems to elude a lot of smart, well-meaning people too, not just the usual dumb and/or craven hacks.

      Reply
    155. 155.

      Soprano2

      August 31, 2023 at 11:37 am

      @Citizen Alan: But there are ones who aren’t currently under 4 indictments!

      Reply
    156. 156.

      Chris

      August 31, 2023 at 11:37 am

      @Other MJS:

      I’m not up on the subtleties of the Prosperity Gospel, but I suspect there are not one but many snake oil salesmen who’ve argued that exact thing to get people to gamble.

      Reply
    157. 157.

      CaseyL

      August 31, 2023 at 11:37 am

      @artem1s: ​

      I don’t know anything about his past – whether he was ever any good in whatever political post he had – but it looks to me like he’s a Conserva-Dem and, having failed to get back into elected office, has decided to ride on that sweet grifter train. Not nearly as much actual work, and a whole lot more money.

      Reply
    158. 158.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      August 31, 2023 at 11:38 am

      @Geminid:

      They were too saucy. Soon after, a Union artillerist cut the incautious Polk almost in half with a well-aimed shot.

      Well, that’s horrifying

      Reply
    159. 159.

      jonas

      August 31, 2023 at 11:39 am

      @Geminid: Khanna reps Silicon Valley’s glibertarian techbro culture very well.

      Reply
    160. 160.

      Soprano2

      August 31, 2023 at 11:39 am

      @Paul in KY: I don’t know, that’s what I need to hire someone to figure out. My husband said it could be disassembled, but it was there when he bought the house, so I think that’s just his belief. The HVAC guy says it’s probably over 60 years old; it’s never been turned on as long as I’ve lived there, since 1989. It’s unsafe to turn it on at this point.

      Reply
    161. 161.

      Joey Maloney

      August 31, 2023 at 11:40 am

      I just got back from the Tønder music festival. A grand for the flight to Denmark, another $1K for entry  to the festival plus glamping adjacent to the festival site (which wasn’t very glamp, but it was the only option where all I had to was show up and everything was provided for me). Probably another $500 for food for the four days. But for that I got to see about ten sets including three of my favorite performers, most from right in front of the stage. Money well spent as far as I’m concerned.

      Reply
    162. 162.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 11:42 am

      @wjca: He is competent in doing evil things, IMO. That’s what makes him (and Tacky O) so dangerous.

      Reply
    163. 163.

      wjca

      August 31, 2023 at 11:42 am

      @RaflW:

      It was definitely noticeable in the White House statement: “This Administration will continue to work closely with first responders and local officials as the storm progresses.”  Striking lack of any mention of the Governor.

      Reply
    164. 164.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 11:44 am

      @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I would have laughed my ass off. Still get a chuckle out of it.

      Reply
    165. 165.

      smith

      August 31, 2023 at 11:44 am

      @Other MJS: There’s also the selectivity with which they attribute natural disasters to god’s wrath. Somehow this time he’s not commenting on the status of LBGTQ people in FL, but other times and places that’s exactly what he’s reacting to.

      Reply
    166. 166.

      Old School

      August 31, 2023 at 11:45 am

      @Joey Maloney: Glad you had a good time!

      Reply
    167. 167.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 11:46 am

      @Soprano2: Did you have another operational furnace? If so, why can’t the new one go where it is?

      Reply
    168. 168.

      The Kropenhagen Interpretation

      August 31, 2023 at 11:51 am

      @Ken: But is he competent? I was under the impression his entire term as governor has been performative stunts setting up this run for president

      But among those performances was a performative competence which I’ve never witnessed but the media assures me is there. Also, too, Trump is the point against which all other Republican competence levels are measured.

      Admittedly: He has been pretty effective at doing some monstrous shit.

      Reply
    169. 169.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      August 31, 2023 at 11:53 am

      @Paul in KY:

      I mean, it is funny. Just the mental image is gory lol

      Reply
    170. 170.

      JaySinWA

      August 31, 2023 at 11:56 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: Saying “I’m not qualified to say” that this specific weather event is caused by climate change seems like a pretty good general statement for all politicians. It’s a whole lot less damaging than denial and more helpful than uninformed assertions.

      It’s too easy to find a way to explain away an individual event, and often it is true[ish].

      Reply
    171. 171.

      Jeffro

      August 31, 2023 at 11:56 am

      @OzarkHillbilly: The Fro family once shared an elevator with him (no Ginni) and a few other people, as we were all leaving a show at the Kennedy Center 7-8 years ago.

      I did not know it was him until the elevator opened, he exited, and one of the other dudes in the elevator goes, “hey, I think that was Justice Thomas.”

      after which, Justice Thomas waves back at us over his shoulder.

      classic D.C.

      Reply
    172. 172.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 11:57 am

      @Joey Maloney: Just looking at the lineup. Have seen Blackberry Smoke, Leftover Salmon, Nickel Creek, Sarah Jarosz and The Local Honeys. All great acts. Saw The Local Honeys when they were just starting out. They played on a 7 foot by 7 foot stage before 150 people (Well Crafted Fest in Shakertown. Is defunct now).

      I bet y’all had a wonderful time!!!

      Reply
    173. 173.

      Ken

      August 31, 2023 at 12:01 pm

      @Paul in KY: Maybe they put the furnace in while building the house? Like in the second book I ever owned, “Mike Mulligan and His Steam Shovel”.  (The first was “Harry the Dirty Dog”.)

      Reply
    174. 174.

      Omnes Omnibus

      August 31, 2023 at 12:04 pm

      @Ken: ​
        Mike Mulligan and his Steam Shovel was one of my first books as well. I loved it. I can still picture the illustrations.

      Reply
    175. 175.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 12:04 pm

      @Ken: Could be on that one they have to remove. Soprano2 just said it had not been used since the 80s. Wondered what was used.

      Reply
    176. 176.

      Soprano2

      August 31, 2023 at 12:08 pm

      @Paul in KY: We have a wood furnace that I want to keep as a backup, which the HVAC guy said was fine. I want that old one out of there anyway, it’s taking up a lot of room. HVAC guy says the new one would be a lot smaller than the old one.

      Reply
    177. 177.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 12:09 pm

      @jonas: I wonder if Khanna will get a strong primary challenger next year. He’s pissed off Democrats everywhere else.

      And I’ve read that some district Democrats still have hard feelings about Khanna’s 2016 campaign against incumbent Mike Honda, not just because of the result but also the methods used.

      With the help of David Sacks, Khanna’s building an ample war chest that will be difficult to match, so it will take a strong efgort to beat him. With all the money the Senate primary candidates will attract, there might be slim pickings for other Democrats.

      And California must have a songular dynamic in general elections where two Democrats have advanced from the jungle primary and Republican votes become a factor. Maybe Khanna has that in mind when he plays footsie with conservatives.

      But Khanna may just like to be on TV, and knows that news sites value contrarians. I’ve noticed that politicians like Khanna like to hear themselves talk and want others to have the pleasure. They might even think they’re being generous.

      Reply
    178. 178.

      Soprano2

      August 31, 2023 at 12:10 pm

      See my answer at 175. I’ve been told that the house has a dugout basement; I think they must have put it in when they did that, probably in the 1930’s or 1940’s. Hard to know at this point.

      Reply
    179. 179.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 12:13 pm

      @Soprano2: Ah! you heated with a wood one.  Cool. Best wishes on getting it removed as cheaply as possible.

      Reply
    180. 180.

      Ken

      August 31, 2023 at 12:17 pm

      @Soprano2: Oh yes, the newer furnaces are much smaller, and far more energy-efficient. If you can get one of the ones that use a power orb, your electricity or natural gas usage will drop drastically.

      Reply
    181. 181.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 12:18 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: I think I remember that story. As I recall, there was a happy ending where the steam shovel ended up as the boiler that kept a school warm.

      Reply
    182. 182.

      schrodingers_cat

      August 31, 2023 at 12:21 pm

      @Geminid: He is a right wing glibertarian tech bro masquerading as a progressive. Don’t take my word for it judge him by the company he keeps and his actions.

      Reply
    183. 183.

      Omnes Omnibus

      August 31, 2023 at 12:24 pm

      @Geminid: ​
        Dude! No spoilers for the people who haven’t read it!

      Reply
    184. 184.

      catclub

      August 31, 2023 at 12:25 pm

      @Geminid: ​
        That would be Mary Ann

      Reply
    185. 185.

      Omnes Omnibus

      August 31, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: He has voted 100% with Biden.  He says some really dumb shit, but not all of his actions point right-wing.

      Reply
    186. 186.

      Cameron

      August 31, 2023 at 12:26 pm

      Sir Whiteboots Puddinghands never ceases to amaze.  Despite Federal largesse, it’s really going to be hell to get things repaired here – because he drove the workers away.  What a guy!

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/31/hurricane-idalia-damage-flooding-florida

      Reply
    187. 187.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 12:30 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: Did you ever read Minn of the Mississippi? That was another one of my favorites.

      Reply
    188. 188.

      schrodingers_cat

      August 31, 2023 at 12:31 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: Fair enough. He does have the proclivities of a glibertarian tech bro but I am glad that he is sensible enough to vote like D Congress Critter.

      Reply
    189. 189.

      Omnes Omnibus

      August 31, 2023 at 12:35 pm

      @Geminid: I don’t recall that one.

      Reply
    190. 190.

      Timill

      August 31, 2023 at 12:35 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: You can still buy it…

      Mike Mulligan and His Steam Shovel

      Reply
    191. 191.

      Joey Maloney

      August 31, 2023 at 12:42 pm

      @Paul in KY: I missed Blackberry Smoke, but saw everyone else on your list plus Aoife O’Donovan, Sierra Farrell, Kíla, Altman, É.T.É, Jim Lauderdale, Sorten Muld, Shane Smith and the Saints (by accident), and these guys.

      Reply
    192. 192.

      Dahlia

      August 31, 2023 at 12:48 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minn_of_the_Mississippi

      Reply
    193. 193.

      catclub

      August 31, 2023 at 12:49 pm

      @Cameron: because he drove the workers away. What a guy!

       

      After katrina there was a huge influx of workers. Virtually all the roofers were latino. Nobody in government in Miss and Louisiana made a peep.

      Reply
    194. 194.

      Ruckus

      August 31, 2023 at 12:56 pm

      @lowtechcyclist:

      So they are not just acting like assholes.

      They are the real deal – full on – assholes.

      I find it refreshing to actually see humans as they present themselves. Gives them position, gives them respect for who they want to be and have successfully become.

      Reply
    195. 195.

      Tony Jay

      August 31, 2023 at 1:01 pm

      @smith:

      No one pays them to do it on the Right side of the aisle, which would be a problem (for them) if the News Media didn’t feel so obliged to give them all the credit for doing it anyway.

      @Mr. Bemused Senior:

        Can anyone still think “oh, it’s just talk, what’s the harm”?

      Pay them enough in cash or kind and you can find an inexhaustible conveyor belt of gonads who’ll say they think exactly that. Also, if they’re asking “What’s the harm to them?” it becomes a lot easier to convince themselves of whatever pays best.

      Reply
    196. 196.

      Geminid

      August 31, 2023 at 1:09 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: Minn of the Mississippi could have been before your time. It won the Newberry Award in 1951. The protagonist is a snapping turtle.

      Reply
    197. 197.

      Paul in KY

      August 31, 2023 at 1:25 pm

      @Joey Maloney: Those Danes really love their bikes! Pretty cool.

      I bet every one of those acts was great.

      Reply
    198. 198.

      ljdramone

      August 31, 2023 at 1:57 pm

      @Chris:

      I’ll never forget the priest at my alma mater who once tried to tell me that if the thirteen colonies had been founded by us instead of the Protestants, slavery would have ended a lot sooner.

      (You know, like it did in Cuba and Brazil and…  I’ll come in again).

      Or like in…  Maryland!

      Maryland was founded specifically as a refuge for English Catholics, but Ann Joice’s descendants in Maryland were not legally free until November 1, 1864.

      Reply
    199. 199.

      Chris

      August 31, 2023 at 2:11 pm

      @ljdramone:

      Yeah, that was actually the first thing that occurred to me, though not until a couple hours after the conversation.

      An apologist can probably weasel out of that, though, by pointing out that Maryland didn’t remain a Catholic colony: it was eventually turned Protestant by force, with Catholics banned from holding public office or voting, which remained the status quo until the American Revolution.

      Reply
    200. 200.

      satby

      August 31, 2023 at 2:15 pm

      @Betty Cracker: Wow, not far at all from my late mom’s condo, which my sister now owns. Wonder how it did (she doesn’t live there).

      Reply
    201. 201.

      Rob in CT

      August 31, 2023 at 3:40 pm

      ““I’m a reactionary but I’m also sick of not being accepted in polite society because of my reactionary views” is basically all reactionaries.

      Reply
    202. 202.

      Ruckus

      August 31, 2023 at 3:51 pm

      @Betty Cracker:

      I like that the sprinklers are on, keeping the grass watered……

      Reply
    203. 203.

      Ruckus

      August 31, 2023 at 4:45 pm

      @Betty:

      These sound like stories direct from moscow.

      vlad is spending an enormous amount and screwing his own people and Ukraine for very little power on the world stage,  none of which he will actually get, and all because his ego is as big as the outdoors of his country, with only bluster and munitions to back it up.

      Reply
    204. 204.

      Chris

      August 31, 2023 at 5:33 pm

      @Ruckus:

      vlad is spending an enormous amount and screwing his own people and Ukraine for very little power on the world stage,  none of which he will actually get

      That’s the most embarrassing thing.  Even if Putin gets everything he wants – Ukraine defeated and conquered, a Republican Vichy state in Washington, NATO and the EU broken up and replaced by a bunch of pliable regimes – he still won’t be the one to reap the benefit.  Because the harm he’s done to his country (which, let’s face it, was never exactly on the sturdiest ground in the first place) in the process has been so extensive, there won’t be enough of it left to be anything more than a client state for Beijing.  Putin’s ultimate legacy will have been to turn Russia into China’s own “near abroad.”

      (Say, remember the old Connery-era James Bonds?  Where China was the implied client behind SPECTRE, and the name of the game was rooting for Russia and the West to beat each other to exhaustion, so they could pick up the pieces?  Well…)

      Reply

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