Republican Speaker Kevin McCarthy faces a political standoff when the House resumes this week as he tries to avoid a government shutdown and launch an impeachment inquiry into President Biden. https://t.co/A2llwcJ4N5
— The Associated Press (@AP) September 11, 2023
If you work in the mainstream media and can't report the news as honestly as Pop Crave does, you should quit your job. https://t.co/qzO4I24Oex
— The Biden Accomplishments Guy (on Threads) (@What46HasDone) September 12, 2023
Yes, the “logical next step” when you have zero evidence of any high crimes or misdemeanors (or even wrongdoing) by the President is to launch sham revenge impeachment hearings to appease the 30 fringe “Freedom Caucus” members you sold your spine to to gain your speakership. pic.twitter.com/c9YrZnjDgQ
— Andrew—Author of America Rises Newsletter—Wortman (@AmoneyResists) September 12, 2023
McCarthy is dumb as hell, but to the extent he has plan, this is it: create the aura of scandal and trust the media won't properly contextualize it. https://t.co/F6QsmJjK6X
— Clean Observer (@Hammbear2024) September 12, 2023
Question for DO SOMETHING Twitter: is this a good thing for McCarthy? Is he making himself or Republicans look good for this? Pretty sure the answer here in reality is a hard no https://t.co/VCaFdB69BY
— The okayest poster there is (@ok_post_guy) September 12, 2023
Big Kev mouthpiece @JakeSherman still won't include the real news; That his big boy has no evidence and is doing this because of his own corruption.
Gotta keep that beat sweet, no matter how corrupt and desperate it gets. pic.twitter.com/YCjdPZJLuP
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) September 12, 2023
If you did a man-on-the-street and read a single House Republican's tweet from today to a normal person they would look at you like you'd asked them about the local price of meth
— John " https://mastodon.social/@johnlray " Ray (@johnlray) September 12, 2023
I think McCarthy thinks he can say “start impeachment investigations” but never get around to impeaching Biden, which assumes the Freedom Caucus clowns are dumber than they actually are. He can’t put it off forever & remain Speaker.
Then again, he can’t remain Speaker either way
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) September 12, 2023
Just two republican besties, hanging out, shooting the breeze. Not a care in the world, or Democrat in sight to possibly push back against how completely insane the idea of impeaching Joe Biden is https://t.co/MtswZdr0tX
— The okayest poster there is (@ok_post_guy) September 12, 2023
Oh my God. John Fetterman just humiliated Republicans over their impeachment threat.
This is incredible. (@lizbrownkaiser) pic.twitter.com/UVsHkWaRO1
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) September 12, 2023
Instead of wasting time on a bogus impeachment, maybe @HouseGOP should do something about child poverty––which has DOUBLED in the last year.
They had a chance to extend these programs to keep our children fed & boost working families out of poverty.
But they didn't. Shameful.
— Senator John Fetterman (@SenFettermanPA) September 12, 2023
Sure, but you gotta understand what changed since 2019: Trump tried to get McCarthy killed https://t.co/41cZXZGYaR
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) September 12, 2023
japa21
McCarhy is dumb, but there are dumber GOPers in Congress. But there are none that are bigger cowards.
Ohio Mom
Fetterman looks to be in fine fettle (sorry, I couldn’t help myself). I haven’t seen a video of him in a long while, looks to me his brain is fully healed.
SpaceUnit
The strategy of creating an aura of scandal and trusting the media to not properly contextualize it has a proven record of success for Republicans.
I’d like to think our MSM have learned but I’m not optimistic.
Salty Sam .
You should be ashamed!
Not really- good one.
And I’d just like to say that I LOVE Senator Fetterman. In a totally manly way, of course. Best troll we have in the Senate!
Another Scott
We’ve known about McCarthy and Friends for quite a while (go to around 12:40) to start.
Cheers,
Scott.
bbleh
Per earlier comment elsewhere:
They didn’t elect him as a leader. They elected him for precisely the opposite reason.
Geminid
I kinda want a government shutdown October 1st just to see foungkin’ Glenn Youngkin explain to Virginia’s federal workers and contractors why it’s a good thing to be going without paychecks, and how voting in Republican General Assembly majorities will make their lives even better.
dmsilev
A reminder that a ginned-up conservative-media-fueled impeachment inquiry with no substance behind it resulted in Bill Clinton becoming more popular and Speaker Gingrich basically getting turfed out by his own ostensible supporters.
Please proceed, Kevin.
Alison Rose
LOL Fetterman is awesome.
So how do the members of the FreakDumb Caucus navigate their joint custody over the jar holding Kevin’s balls? Does it swap hands every day, once a week, on the full moon? Must be complicated!
Jeffro
Two good, probably unintentionally complementary pieces in That Paper:
David French (you have to ignore the ‘both sides’ stuff, a little): where’s the evidence, Mr. Speaker?
They pull this shit because they know that almost no matter what they do, they can keep it close…and maybe win.
Michelle Goldberg: The Authors of ‘How Democracies Die’ Overestimated The Republicans
(well yeah, that’s easy to do!)
CaseyL
I expect nothing good from the MSM. They’ll do to Biden what they did to Hillary: talk about clouds of suspicion, claim there must be “something” behind all the smoke and mirrors because the GOP is making a big deal of it, say “well, it’s out there, we have to talk about it” using Fox News as reference point and framing.
I mean, they hate Biden already – for pissant reasons, but they do hate him. Plus a Biden impeachment gives them a “Both sides!” when mentioning Trump’s trials. They’ll be thrilled to be able to talk scandal scandal impeachment scandal all day and all night.
And Democrats will hardly ever appear on MSM talkfests, and hardly ever be interviewed, because the MSM never has given us equal time.
geg6
I couldn’t love my junior Senator any more than I do right now.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
OT: This does not sound like the behavior of a sober person
she will be voting on the article/s of impeachment, if McCarthy gets it that far
dmsilev
LA Times:
I’m sure all those swing-district GOP Reps are just thrilled that they’re being jerked around by McCarthy’s kowtowing to the Freedom Caucus loons.
So sad.
Jackie
What happens if “My Kevin” is fired as Speaker? There isn’t ONE GQP who wants the job, and there’s no way any nominee gets the required 218 votes.
No sworn in Speaker means the House is at an empasse – which means the government shuts down.
And even dumb nut “My Kevin” is aware of this.
I think it’s time to stock up on 🍿 and favorite beverages.
piratedan
@CaseyL: same as it ever was….
Faux News says that there’s something fishy…
GOP says there’s something fishy…
MSM then chimes in and says that some people are finding things fishy
the general public says, hmmm, something must be fishy since everyone is talking about it…
as such, how Faux manufactures talking points and frames the narrative ad nauseum.
what exactly is fishy? no one knows, people are simply talking about it.
RaflW
AOC’s take from earlier today is correct on this (esp coupled with a budget shutdown): Chaos vibes. That will be the GOP brand after this utter horse shit farrago.
How did the 2020 mid-terms go for Republicans? Or for Newt’s Congress after that impeachment imbroglio?
Yeah, the press is going to whiff on how to talk about how utterly evidence-free this is. But I think voters will know the House GOP is just fapping in a corner to please an insane, shrinking base, and not doing squat for them.
catclub
@Jeffro:
This is dumb. Would you rather have Hungary’s, Poland’s, Israel’s or Italy’s version of fascists in charge? We are doing better than those, not worse.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@piratedan:
@CaseyL:
So far, it hasn’t worked. GOP House investigations have failed to get the public or the MSM to care about the Hunter Biden stuff. None of it really makes sense and there’s no connection to the POTUS
I think it worked on Hillary Clinton because there had already been a near 20 year smear campaign against her. Plus misogyny. Can’t forget that
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@RaflW:
Agreed.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@catclub:
I thought Italy’s weren’t that bad? At least not anti-democratic from what I’ve been told. Haven’t looked too closely at them I admit. They’ll have to actually govern and I suspect if Italian voters don’t view things as better under them, the party/coalition will be voted out of power
Anne Laurie
Matt ‘Butthead’ Gaetz seems to be making a strong play for the job. Whether even his fellow Tantrum Carcassers are dumb enough to let him have it… is a question for another day.
bbleh
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): concur. Even with the added excitement of PENIS!! they just don’t seem to be making much headway (heh). The alleged impeachment thing — with which I guess executive agencies may not cooperate — seems to focus on vague financial something-or-other.
It’s all for show of course, like pretty much all Republican politics now other than tax cuts. But this show ain’t selling out the house…
RaflW
@CaseyL: The press seems to be settling in on the old and failing (bullshit) theme. The execrable NYT circle-jerked itself today by headlining that Biden has ‘shaky public performances’ just days after they knowingly mischaracterized his joke about jet lag as him being … shaky.
Sure, they’ll Hillary’s Emails some of the Hunter stuff, too, but what the Beltway (and their NY friends) have craved is some meta ‘narrative’ they can flog that shows there just as tough on Democrats, so they can feel (wrongly!!) that they’re fair and balanced when they report the endless parade of actual GOP scandal.
Gin & Tonic
I know we’re supposed to hate Twitter here, but lots of people in Ukraine use it, so I do too. And I’ve noticed what I think is a change in the UI. Used to be, when you clicked on a Tweet that had, say, 197 “likes” (the heart symbol) you could click on the number 197 and get a list of the people who’d liked said Tweet. Now, you click on the number, and it highlights the heart, meaning you are “liking” the Tweet – but you can’t see the others who did. This is on a desktop in a browser. On my phone, where I have studiously *not* updated the Twitter app to “X” it does work as I was accustomed – you can click on the number and get the list of people who liked the Tweet. Is this working as Elmo intended, or am I doing something wrong here?
RaflW
@Anne Laurie: I can’t imagine what iceberg of reality steamship America will be headed for if Matt Gaetz manages to acquire the gavel. If I lived outside our nation’s borders, I’d probably pop barrels of popcorn and watch. But there aren’t enough flood-proof bulkheads to save us from the Chaos Vibes he would bring to that post.
Jackie
@RaflW: “to please an insane, shrinking base” of One.
I wonder how long long it’ll take for TIFG’s loyalists to finally realize they might get primaried? The completely gerrymandered districts will still be Repugs, but maybe less MAGA?
RaflW
@Gin & Tonic: Elmo screwed the interface again. One now has to tap the three dots (…) in the upper right corner of the desired tweet, then from the pulldown, select “view post engagements” to see who has ReXitted or Liked something.
If anything in the Xitter universe requires more steps to accomplish, it’s a sign Elmo hates that we do it, but has so far been talked out of nuking that feature entirely — so far.
And yes that mean he’s still a petty dumbass and a crap businessman.
Jackie
@Anne Laurie: MTG and Gaetz are at odds… without her support… no 218 votes.
eta: Gaetz is unpopular in the House.
mrmoshpotato
Looking to impeach President Biden for nothing, and being economic terrorists by threatening another government shutdown.
Can we throw the GOP into the Sun already, and get an opposition party of actual adults?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
OT:
Did any of you hear about the awful story about Micheal Oher, from The Blind Side? His so-called adoptive parents, the Tuoys, placed him under a conservatorship, telling him it was the only way to make him apart of their family as he was 18 and supposedly couldn’t adopt him. Oher only really found out that they lied fairly recently, and he had been in conservatorship for nearly 20 years. He’s suing them now.
They absolutely did it to steer him to their alma mater, Ole Miss; they’re boosters of the school and NCAA rules would’ve prohibited this if they had officially adopted him. Plus, I suspect, given the stories about the Tuoys, they didn’t want Oher to have inheritance rights. The whole thing stinks to high heaven, as the lawyer who handled his conservatorship, the author the book the movie was based on, etc were friends of the Tuoys.
The most disturbing thing to me though, is how a court approved this when Oher clearly didn’t meet the criteria for a conservatorship
I never liked The Blind Side because it was a patronizing white savior story that made Oher look like he was special needs when he never was. I’ve read you have to be pretty smart to play the position he did, especially at the professional level. Sandra Bullock’s character literally had to teach him how to play football when the real Oher had been playing for years already.
Maxim
OT: Zuck admits that Threads is blocking searches related to Covid and vaccines. Not that any of us expected better from him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/11/threads-covid-coronavirus-searches-blocked
Jeffro
@catclub: Look at that statement again
and tell me that we aren’t locked into that problem here in the U.S. at the moment, other countries be damned?
I don’t get why you’re raising the distraction, but whatever. It’s something that needs addressing here, now.
West of the Rockies
I would like to believe most Americans will see the impeachment inquiry as pure performative bullshit. I hope it blows up in the ugly faces of the House Repugs.
Also, helped my kid move from a second story apartment across town to a third story apartment. I am so damn tired.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jackie:
Huh. They hate each other too? I thought they were all buddy-buddy. Wasn’t it Greene he was talking about during an interview when he said he needed a cigarette after hearing a speech by her lol?
I guess it’s not just Boebert and her that hate each other
ETA: Yup, it was Marge he was talking about, in 2021
catclub
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Maybe I should drop Italy from the list and replace with Turkey. … or India (HT schrodingers cat).
Gin & Tonic
@RaflW: Thanks for that.
japa21
There will never be Articles of Impeachment brought to the floor of the House. There aren’t enough Republicans to get them passed. But there is no intention to go through with the process, merely to create the possible question of wrongdoing. I actually don’t even expect the hearings to be all that public.
Lyrebird
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): There were a few threads recently that discussed this, but I don’t remember exactly which day. It’s a shameful story, for sure. I hope he has a good lawyer.
I did not watch the movie bc it looked ultra cringe and patronizing, and I do not like to admit that I believed the advertising that said oh this is a true story. Again, I hope Mr. Oher has an excellent lawyer.
Side note: you can indeed adopt an 18 y old. Or a 38 year old, in some circumstances that vary by state.
opiejeanne
Kyle Cheney tweeted this today:
NEW: The Biden administration has a literal Trump card to play against the House GOP impeachment inquiry: In 2020, Trump’s DOJ issued a binding legal opinion that impeachment inquiries are invalid without an official vote of the House.
Scout211
Well, then there really is no problem. Their impeachment inquiry is merely aspirational. They don’t seem to care whether it is valid or official.
cain
@Maxim:
Looks like we can eliminate threads as any kind of choice.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Senior FBI agent disputes some whistleblowers’ claims about Hunter Biden probe
Eunicecycle
@japa21: sort of like when Trump encouraged Georgia, Arizona, etc to just announce there might have been improprieties in the counting of votes. And let the Rs take care of the rest.
CaseyL
@opiejeanne:
I can’t find it right now, but I saw a post on Mastodon (maybe Legal Mastodon) stating that impeachment is completely within the purview of the House; the Executive has no power to make any rules regarding the process. That “binding legal opinion” was pure BS by Trump’s Office of Legal Counsel.
However, I do hope the Biden Administration ignores House subpoenas and refuses to cooperate. The Executive Branch has too much real work to do, to send its people out to a shitshow.
wjca
Actually, they elected him Speaker. Speaking being something he can actually do. (Well, better than TIFG. Admittedly a very low bar.)
Scalise is the one elected Majority Leader. Not sure he has any aptitude for it. But being better at it than McCarthy is (recurring theme) a low bar.
Captain C
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: What exactly was she vaping, seeing as how it’s Colorado?
Snarki, child of Loki
ALL of that highly incriminating evidence that Qevin has for impeaching Biden ALSO shows that Qevin is a traitor and goat-fncker. Every single bit of it.
Maybe the MSM should report on it.
Jackie
That was then; now she’s threatening Kevin she’ll refuse to vote for a new budget IF he refuses to impeach Biden. MTG has effectively grabbed Kevin’s balls and is slowly squeezing harder…
karen marie
Someone posted on Mastodon a screenshot of a McCarthy tweet that he hasn’t deleted (from before the first Trump impeachment, I believe) that said “Pelosi can’t just open an impeachment hearing, the House has to vote on it.”
I wonder what changed?
RaflW
@CaseyL: Since the whole thing is pattycake/make believe, then I really do think the BIden Admin should mail back a hard copy of that Trump DoJ memo in response to any subpoena.
I hate that, longer term, it does weaken the power of Congress to compel testimony. But everything the GOP does these days has toxic penumbras and emanations.
karen marie
@Jackie: I think the falling out happened when they took that money-losing road trip.
Good times!
Sister Golden Bear
@Gin & Tonic: Elmo ordered that functionality to be buried — it’s available elsewhere but intentionally hard to find — because he’s pissed that it showed how badly he was getting ratioed.
karen marie
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): There was a post about it – last month?
wjca
The obvious optimum course for them: closed hearings and massive (and, of necessity, inaccurate) leaks. Combined with the best Joe McCarthy “I have a list right here…!” blather from the whole Nutcase Caucus. Closed hearings avoid any chance of revealing embarrassing facts which don’t fit the narrative. Or awkward comparisons to the Trump impeachment presentation.
piratedan
@karen marie: its GOP Calvinball, we’re the GOP, we can just make shit up as we go along and the MSM will just do their usual portage of H2O on their behalf…
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic: You now have to click on the three dots on the upper right then click on View Post Engagement.
ETA: Beaten by everyone and their cousin. But I knew something about things with computers so that counts for something.
wjca
Allow me to make an extended prediction. (Hey, all kinds of pundits do this. Can I do any worse? Even if I’m not Agnes Nutter.)
While the Nutcase Caucus is distracted by their impeachment inquiry farce, the House manages to pass a continuing resolution.
No actual budget, let alone spending bills, ever get done, and the CR expires 30 Sep 24.
Next September we again have no budget and no spending bills for the coming year.
BUT, the Nutcase Caucus has vowed not to get played yet again. So this time the government does shut down.
It’s still shutdown a month later on November 5th (Election Day).
Predicting the impact on the election is left as an exercise for the student.
jonas
@dmsilev: Not only that, Clinton did sort of actually do the thing they said was deserving of impeachment (lie about his affair with Monica Lewinsky) and it still blew up in their faces. They don’t even have that this time around.
McCarthy pulled the trigger on this I think hoping that these Freedumb Caucus idiots will eventually grow tired of facing a media scrum every day, day in day out, asking what the fuck they’re doing and where any evidence is of an impeachable offense and eventually call it off or get distracted by something else.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@dmsilev: what’s that line about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? I forget.
Omnes Omnibus
MAGA?
Ruckus
@Alison Rose:
Just by the general evidence that everyone can see, I think he lost those a very, very long time ago Might have been an elementary school bus incident/accident where someone put an M80 down his pants…. (could possibly have been him trying to prove that he had some to lose)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
gene108
@dmsilev:
Also resulted in Al Gore’s distancing himself from President Clinton, in the 2000 presidential election, because Bill brought “shame and dishonor” to the White House.
jonas
@piratedan: That worked when it was just committee hearings or whatever, like with Benghazi. The committee chair could leak what he wanted and control the narrative. An impeachment is a whole different thing. They’ve leveled up now, and I’m not sure stringing reporters along day after day with “we’ll come up with some evidence eventually” is going to generate the positive coverage they’re hoping for. Fox and the other Trumpist propaganda outlets will be loyal stans of course, but I think other outlets may smell the sweetest of all chum in the water: desperate politicians.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: well, the Hatch Act only applies to the executive branch, so this is perfectly OK.
Mike in NC
If McCarthy had to find a real job, Walmart of Bakersfield would have rejected him from unloading trucks.
jonas
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think Weiss *himself* has stated that he and he alone made charging decisions and at no time did anyone influence his judgment. So the person the whistleblower says was being pressured has said in no uncertain terms that that’s not true.
Kelly
@dmsilev: I’m in an Oregon swing district. My Republican Rep has been trying to keep the district from noticing she is part of the Republican lunacy. Eastern Oregon’s safe Republican district’s Rep Bentze is ready to rumble with the impeachment. Craziness could sweep Chavez-DeRemer out the door.
https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2023/09/12/bentz-supports-biden-impeachment-inquiry-chavez-deremer-distances-herself/
piratedan
@Kelly: yeah…. nothing says “fair, just and dignified” better than having Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Buckaroo Boebert speaking on behalf of the inquiry.
jonas
@Kelly: I’m thinking of calling up my congressman (R-Weaselville) tomorrow and giving the intern (calmly) an earful about bogus impeachments and shutdowns. We’re in a Biden +7 district here, so I’m sure he’s squirming a bit tonight. Good.
Joe Falco
@gene108:
An enduring reminder that Democrats should never let Republicans (or the media for that matter) set the narrative because Democrats will never be rewarded for playing along.
mrmoshpotato
@bbleh: Thank you for reminding everyone that we can say penis now.
PENIS!
Wag
On Sunday night Lauren Boebert and her date were thrown out of the theater at the Denver Center for the Performing Arts for vaping and disruptive behavior. Here’s a link to a local news story with video. Such a fucking embarrassment.
date corrected.
Burnspbesq
@CaseyL:
OLC opinions are binding on the Executive Branch. Which means that unless there is a vote by the full House to initiate an inquiry, the Executive Branch is required to blow off subpoenas, and will have a potentially solid defense against contempt of Congress charges.
MisterForkbeard
@jonas: To be fair, they’re accusing Biden of having a son and I guess that’s sort of true
Burnspbesq
Right now, the most likely person to be able to get 218 votes for Speaker is Jeffries, and unless he’s not nearly as smart as I think he is, he ain’t going near that tire-fire.
The Lodger
@Kelly: I was hoping Chavez-deRemer wasn’t a total MAGA about impeachment. This sounds encouraging.
BruceFromOhio
Brain stem driving the bus. Its like McCarthy knows the ride ends up in the ditch, and just does not care because Jim Jordan. He’s got his own “Tire Rims and Anthrax” scenario, and goes on the date anyway.
HumboldtBlue
Eric Swalwell out here edumacating folks about McCarthy.
BruceFromOhio
@HumboldtBlue: Gaia take the wheel, its like the Yahoo Comments Septic Tank over there.
Matt McIrvin
Isn’t the case simple? He’s guilty of being a Democrat. I’m actually kind of surprised that isn’t a slam dunk for them.
Matt McIrvin
@gene108: With Clinton there was a sex scandal with some substance to it, and Al Gore’s problem was that being squeaky clean and a bit of a prig was actually part of his brand.
sab
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Late to this thread. Oher had his own book out a while back, shortly after the movie came out. It was partly about the Tuoeys (at that point he was still grateful for their care but quietly outraged about Lewis’s misrepresentation of him.) It was mostly about the difficulties in growing up in a family headed by a drug addicted single mom. His target audience was kids in difficult circumstances
ETA I think a family with wholesome intentions would have kept Michael Lewis miles away from their home and that kid.
ETtheLibrarian
McCarthy is an idiot. Everyone knows you don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Now they are looking to oust him as leader. This is what he got for pushing through what will be a shambolic impeachment inquiry and no budget/CR. He gave them what they wanted, he got nothing for it, and now they smell blood in the water.
Geminid
@ETtheLibrarian: House Republicans may lack an alternative to McCarthy. They might be able to unite around Scalise, but then what would be the point? I hope Gaetz tries to make good on his brag, though. The House is barely functional with McCarthy as Speaker, and it’s hard to see how that would improve with another Republican in the Chair.
But Republicans are setting up a good line of attack against them. In 1948, Harry Truman used a “do nothing Congress” attack to good effect, and so can Joe Biden in 2024. I think it’s not a question of whether Democrats can reclaim the House next year, but a question of by how much.
eversor
@Matt McIrvin:
As I was a young youth and that was the first election I could vote the prig was most of it for my cohort. The 90s weren’t all that great for us really. There was Hillary Clinton crusading against rap music and then Tipper Gore crusading against video games. There were multiple legal battles over this.
I don’t think the older generations get how much of an impact those two things had. For us the Republicans were the party of the Bible but the Democrats were the party of moral scolds launching lawsuits against what we loved. That changed with Obama who openly talked about drug use (yes I enhaled, also did coke), loved hip-hop, and was young.
Hillary was never going to turn out young voters because we all remembered the Clinton era and the railing against the things we loved. That the Democrats did not realize this is on them.
linnen
Clinton’s impeachment was, IMO, purely because the Republicans could not gin up any other scandalous material. (To the point of continuing past Starr’s investigation into the early part of the Bush II first term.) Even if the part about ‘lying under oath’* rose to the point of impeachment, what about it made the grade (so to speak) that the earlier Iran-Contra stuff under Reagan/Bush I administrations or the later lies that the Bush II administration used to get us into Iraq did not?
* From what I have read Clinton’s perjury indictment was over-turned by a later judge as the result of perjury trap by the prosecution team.
Manyakitty
@HumboldtBlue: warn about the garbage shitter links please. Come on.