Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

We will not go back.

You passed on an opportunity to be offended? What are you even doing here?

She burned that motherfucker down, and I am so here for it. Thank you, Caroline Kennedy.

There are some who say that there are too many strawmen arguments on this blog.

Sadly, media malpractice has become standard practice.

“Perhaps I should have considered other options.” (head-desk)

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

Do we throw up our hands or do we roll up our sleeves? (hint, door #2)

Since we are repeating ourselves, let me just say fuck that.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Balloon Juice, where there is always someone who will say you’re doing it wrong.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

We still have time to mess this up!

How stupid are these people?

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

The revolution will be supervised.

If you voted for Trump, you don’t get to speak about ethics, morals, or rule of law.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

You’re just a puppy masquerading as an old coot.

The Giant Orange Man Baby is having a bad day.

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If this study tests out, would ADE also make it possible that other viruses might be more severe after a covid infection?

… The study suggests that people who have had Covid-19 and then developed dengue may be at an increased risk of developing severe dengue. “This study is the first to demonstrate that anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies can cross-react with DENV-2 (dengue virus 2) and can enhance its infection through antibody- dependent enhancement (the ability of antibodies from a previous infection to help a virus infect greater numbers of cells than it would have on its own),” says the study.

This is thought to be due to a phenomenon known as antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). ADE occurs when antibodies to one virus bind to a different virus and help it to enter cells more easily. This can lead to a more severe infection.

However, other studies have not found a link between Covid-19 antibodies and SD. More research is needed to confirm whether or not Covid-19 antibodies actually make dengue more severe.
The study is published in bioRxiv, the preprint server for medical sciences and is yet to be peer-reviewed…

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  1. 1.

    WereBear

    If this study tests out, would ADE also make it possible that other viruses might be more severe after a covid infection?

    One thing we do know, which is that successive waves of virus degrade the mitochondria. It’s this “cellular exhaustion” which creates Long COVID, CFS/ME, and other chronic fatigue syndromes. It used to be called “their health broke” and that’s about the size of it.

    However, high level thiamine therapy holds promise. I use Benfothiamine, myself, and it seems to be helping with my autoimmune, which also comes with chronic fatigue.

    dsaf

  2. 2.

    TF79

    That’s a hell of a correlation between vaccination rate and political leaning by county. It looks like political leaning explains about 50% of the variation in vaccination rates (R^2 is around 0.5), I wonder what explains the remaining half of the variation? County average income? Education? Health care access? Age?

  3. 3.

    NeenerNeener

    Monroe County, NY:

    36 new cases on 10/15/23
    53 new cases on 10/16/23
    69 new cases on 10/17/23
    57 new cases on 10/18/23
    42 new cases on 10/19/23
    40 new cases on 10/20/23
    34 new cases on 10/21/23

    2348 deaths as of 10/23/23, up 6 from last week

    We’re not in triple digits on new cases anymore, but that will probably change
    when the holidays start in late November. I need to get vaxed again before I
    move to Virginia next month.

  4. 4.

    RepubAnon

    Just got over Covid – doctors advise waiting a few months before getting next booster. Glad I was fully vaxxed!

  5. 5.

    Matt McIrvin

    I’m a little confused about the wastewater situation–Biobot lost its CDC contract but Massachusetts still seems to be posting their numbers, so I guess this is a state thing?

    Anyway, the modest late-summer/fall COVID wave around here seems to be slowly winding down though some individual spots still show hyper-local outbreaks. Most people aren’t taking precautions at all, but the smaller hospitalization and death numbers do suggest that impacts are smaller than in previous waves. If the pattern is anything like previous seasons the big winter wave will kick off after Thanksgiving travel.

  6. 6.

    catclub

    Kelly Barnhill might be interested in poetry of John Donne.

    Send not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.

  8. 8.

    Matt McIrvin

    @TF79: It’s striking how much bigger the blue counties tend to be, which of course is a rough proxy for urban/rural. Eyeballing it, it looks like the biggest counties tend to be a bit above the line, so that might be part of the rest, though obviously not all.

  10. 10.

    CaseyL

    Red States want to go back to the 19th Century, after all. In terms of health outcomes, they seem to have attained their dream: lots of people, especially young people, dying of things that are treatable or preventable elsewhere.

  12. 12.

    Matt McIrvin

    @TF79: It also looks to me like a slightly nonlinear model might be a better fit than the line. Maybe an exponential one, something like 1-exp(k(T-1)) where T is the Trump vote and k is some constant.

  14. 14.

    NorthLeft

    Not surprised about the COVID data from Canada. Over the last month five on my side of the family have had COVID, and strongly suspect that two on my wife’s side had it. They never tested because they had no tests available.

    I got both the flu and COVID vaccines over the last couple of weeks. No reaction to the COVID shot, but  a pretty strong one to the flu shot. Since I am over sixty-five now, I am eligible for the COVID and high dose flu shot here in Ontario. Still masking in public, but not around family and friends.

    ”Jeff” seems to indicate that 93% of Americans are vaccinated against COVID. I’m sorry, but I have a hard time believing that. Unless by “vaccinated” he means have had at least one dose OR  have had COVID at least once.

  16. 16.

    WereBear

    @Searcher: Yes. And I lived it, in 7th grade biology in a Christian school. :)

    It was a temporary measure. Bomb in junior high! Not me. Went back to public school when we moved and lived to tell the tale of chapel, twice a week, in the mornings.

  17. 17.

    Punchy

    I’d love to know how they calculated that “93% US adults vaccinated” value.  That seems wildly over-estimated, based on nothing more than how fervently much of my local dark-red neighbors opposed such jabs.   I guess they’re just big fat liars, saying how much they oppose it in the day while getting clandestine stabs in the evening….

  18. 18.

    Soprano2

    I got my RSV vaccine on Sunday. My arm is still sore from the injection. I think I had an extremely low-level reaction, because I felt a little bit achy and tired on Monday and Tuesday. Not enough to say I was sick, but I felt “off”. Today I feel normal again, glad that’s over!

  19. 19.

    WereBear

    @Punchy: What I hear from such areas is that they’ve had COVID for the 4th or 5th time so: they’re glad they didn’t get that robot shot!

    They are sure it would have been worse had they been vaccinated.

  20. 20.

    Yarrow

    The air filtration / air quality issue drives me just crazy. Covid is primarily airborne yet you still see the “wash your hands” recommendations with no mention of air quality and air safety precautions. That’s what masks do! They protect you from emitting and inhaling Covid. That’s what standing six feet apart does!  It makes you less likely to inhale Covid from someone standing right next to you. That’s what filters or CO2 monitoring does. I know it’s not cheap to put in air filtration but any amount helps and some of isn’t that expensive at all.

    It’s not like this is new. I’ve known about it since the very beginning of the Covid pandemic and I’m not an expert. It’s just ignored. Like it’s a non-thing. When I tell people they look at me like I’ve lost my mind. I don’t get it at all. Why is this issue completely ignored?

    A few years ago Japanese stores started putting CO2 levels online so you could check them before going into the store. They were also posted at the entrance. We could do that, but we refuse even to talk about air quality as an issue unless it’s smoke from wildfires.

  22. 22.

    Yarrow

    @Punchy:  It wouldn’t surprise me if 93% vaccination rate includes having even one vaccine. At the very beginning of vaccines being available there wasn’t such a strong antivax sentiment. I think a lot of people got the first one and maybe the booster and then joined the antivax train. There are also those who scream about the evils of vaccines (rightwing media people) but got the vaccine themselves.

  23. 23.

    WaterGirl

    @NorthLeft:

    93% of Americans are vaccinated against COVID. I’m sorry, but I have a hard time believing that. Unless by “vaccinated” he means have had at least one dose OR  have had COVID at least once.

    My reaction to reading that 93% figure, too.  Ridiculous.

  24. 24.

    hrprogressive

    I remember when +/- 200k new cases was front-page news everywhere.

    Now? “Pandemic? What Pandemic?”

    I had very brief hopes earlier this year this might be on it’s way to a more stasis-like pattern, but of course that was a stupid hope.

    Maybe with next-gen vax’s in…what…a couple more years?

    Maybe we can celebrate the 2030’s by partying like it’s 2019 again, if we’re lucky.

  25. 25.

    Matt McIrvin

    @WaterGirl: I think 93% of Americans probably have had at least one COVID shot at some point since 2021. For some, that was it– they never even got the second shot, and I’m pretty sure only a minority ever got even one booster.

  28. 28.

    khead

    Every time I see a dumb motherfucker post somewhere (ANYwhere) about wanting “mean tweets and cheap gas” I make sure to tell that person – DON’T FORGET THE MILLIONS OF DEAD PEOPLE! – and then ask them how many people they want killed so they can have cheap gas again.

  29. 29.

    hrprogressive

    @smith: ​
     

    Considering those of us who aren’t immunocompromised and have stayed UTD on our shots are now on Shot 5 in 3 years…

    “At least 1 shot” is a laughable metric, by any stretch of the imagination.

  30. 30.

    smith

    @hrprogressive: I just looked for up-to-date information on vaccine effectiveness, to see if there’s evidence that people who only got one or two shots years ago still have some protection, and am irritated and dismayed to find no simple, straightforward summaries available as there were not long ago. CDC’s pages have a lot of disparate information from a number of studies published over the past few years, and links to those studies, bit you’d have to spend several hours reading through them, and still would come away with a rather fuzzy picture. The NYT site has information up to last Spring (at which time the original series still had an impact), but not recently.  It seems to me the picture should be getting clearer over time, not muddier, but muddy is what seems to be available. Maybe it’s because the virus strains and vaccine formulations have changes over the years, I don’t know, but doesn’t seem to be easy to get information that makes the case for vaccination.

  32. 32.

    OGLiberal

    @Yarrow: This.  The powerful like to make fun of folks for not getting back to “normal “but a) they are being very cautious themselves – they just don’t make a big deal of it or make it public (eg, I’ll bet most big-time CEOs require visitors/guests to be tested before a meeting and I’m sure their offices/conference rooms have the best air filtration and b) they have a lot more resources available when they do get COVID.  So, the folks up top screaming at you to get back to the office or get kids back in school – and making you feel silly for continuing to do things like wear a mask, social distance, etc – are not throwing caution to the wind as much as they’d like the proles to believe.

  33. 33.

    OGLiberal

    @hrprogressive: My family is on #4.  My son is immunocompromised and got the shit beat out of him by COVID after catching it from an irresponsible neighbor.  It triggered all kinds of issues that continue to this day.  Wife also had issues we think are related to COVID – or, at least, triggered by it.  And we got it on Christmas, 2021, so it wasn’t like it was recent.

    This shit isn’t over but even our left-leaning friends are trying to convince us that it is.  I get that people are tired of it but, I guess, fuck my son and people like him.

  34. 34.

    J. Arthur Crank

    I have an appointment to get my injection of 5G particles this Friday.  I will wait a week or two before getting a flu shot.  Last year, I had both shots at the same visit, and I was out for a day or two with fatigue and some mild dizzyiness.

  35. 35.

    Eunicecycle

    @OGLiberal: Trump made a big deal yesterday about some of the court employees having Covid yet refused himself to wear a mask! Habba refused to use the same microphone as the prosecuting attorneys despite them all wearing masks. They are such hypocrites.

  37. 37.

    hrprogressive

    @smith: ​
     

    The CDC & mass media have done their best to memory-hole any good data, starting last year, because it was an Election Year.

    Yes, I am still angry about it.

  38. 38.

    hrprogressive

    @OGLiberal: ​
     

    I have to admit, I don’t really understand why so many “normal people”, to say nothing of “left leaning” people have wanted to put on their rose-colored goggles and pretend all of this is still okay.

    Is it January 2022 with Omicron felling everyone left and right? No.

    Is it May 2020 when we had no vaccines and morgue trucks? No.

    Is it July 2021 with Delta ripping through people? No.

    We’re in “a better spot” now than we ever have been. But that progress has been incremental, not transformative.

    While I personally don’t panic about it quite the way I did in 2020-2021, I have still not caught it yet that I know of, and still do my best not to.

    The problem is I don’t feel there’s enough good data yet to determine my risk as an averagely-healthy < 40 year old with 5 vaccinations and no known immune system issues.

    Do I believe what the super ZC Crowd believes? No, not anymore.

    But I do worry about the "where there's smoke, there may be fire" anecdotal reports about things like sudden cardiac deaths post-COVID, increased risk of strokes, increased risk of diabetes, etc…to say nothing of LONG COVID risk, which, more data seems to suggest prevalence post-vax and Omicron Era is a lot lower than prior Era's…

    I won't feel better about "2019 life" again until I feel like catching the damn thing isn't like playing Russian Roulette, and I don't feel I have the data necessary to know if that time is Now, or Still to Come.

    So I err on the side of reasonably extreme caution…because I have but one life to live on this earth, and I'd prefer it not conclude prematurely if I can help it.

  39. 39.

    OGLiberal

    @Eunicecycle: I know you know, and so do most people who know better – they just want it to be over so bad that they’ll just say ,”fuck it”.  We want it to be over as well, maybe more than the folks living a lie, but we don’t have the luxury to just say, “fuck it.”

  40. 40.

    OGLiberal

    @hrprogressive: My primary worry, of course, is my son – he’s still a minor and still my responsibility. (not that I’ll stop worrying in a year or so when he’s an “adult”)  And he’s fully on board – he knows the risks and his living with the consequences of the irresponsible actions of a selfish person.  Yet we still have friends – parents themselves – telling my wife that we have to get him back out there, get things back to normal.  No, thanks.  I mean, might consider that if a) people were masking responsibly – eg, in close spaces, when ill, when exposed to somebody ill, etc., b) businesses, etc, improved their ventilation systems (would be nice if they had some government funding to do that) and c) the large majority of people were up to date on their vaccines/boosters.  Unless we go back to 2020 conditions – and doubt that would even matter – I may as well wait until pigs fly before any of these things happen beyond a small percentage of the population.

  41. 41.

    RevRick

    When I had a bout of sciatica, I went to the spine center for an evaluation and x-rays, and the doctor offhandedly mentioned that they had seen a significant increase in arthritis in the lower spine since COVID. So, I mentioned that when I had my bout with COVID at the end of 2021, it affected my lower torso and back.
    It turns out I had some minor scoliosis of the spine, the COVID may have aggravated the arthritic process, and the head cold I was recovering from just reactivated it.

  42. 42.

    Chris T.

    @khead:

    Every time I see a dumb motherfucker post somewhere (ANYwhere) about wanting “mean tweets and cheap gas” I make sure to tell that person – DON’T FORGET THE MILLIONS OF DEAD PEOPLE! – and then ask them how many people they want killed so they can have cheap gas again.

    Tell them that to get cheap gas, all they have to do is kill all the other people who buy it. The resulting drop in demand will make gas cheap for them. They should just get their AR-15s (they have a dozen already, of course) and set up at the local gas station and start shooting.

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