Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

No one could have predicted…

the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

They are not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

Polls are now a reliable indicator of what corporate Republicans want us to think.

Jesus watching the most hateful people claiming to be his followers

The fight for our country is always worth it. ~Kamala Harris

The revolution will be supervised.

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

Every reporter and pundit should have to declare if they ever vacationed with a billionaire.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

“Just close your eyes and kiss the girl and go where the tilt-a-whirl takes you.” ~OzarkHillbilly

Rupert, come get your orange boy, you petrified old dinosaur turd.

If you can’t control your emotions, someone else will.

Cancel the cowardly Times and Post and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

I did not have this on my fuck 2025 bingo card.

You passed on an opportunity to be offended? What are you even doing here?

America is going up in flames. The NYTimes fawns over MAGA celebrities. No longer a real newspaper.

In my day, never was longer.

Republicans firmly believe having an abortion is a very personal, very private decision between a woman and J.D. Vance.

We will not go back.

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  3. 3.

    sab

    I thought I was keeping an eye on the schoolboard but I got blindsided by the homophobic mothers.

    Otherwise things went great this election.

    ETA :School board: Our  number one was a great choice. Two and three I am skeptical.

  4. 4.

    Rusty

    The Democrats worked hard, are open about their principles,  and unified.   We are offering a positive vision of the world based on fairness and helping others, not hate.  Damn proud to be a Democrat this morning.

  5. 5.

    sab

    How will the pundits explain this!? As a voter on the ground it feels pretty organic. Supreme Court really misread us. That is a big part of their job and they entirely fucked it up.

  6. 6.

    Betty Cracker

    The Issue 1 result in Ohio — wow! From The Columbus Dispatch:

    Issue 1 was passing 56-44%, with 97% of precincts reporting, according to unofficial election results.

    That’s not just a win. It’s an ass kicking

    ETA: A quote from Biden in the linked article:

    President Joe Biden applauded Issue 1’s victory Tuesday night, saying “Ohioans and voters across the country rejected attempts by MAGA Republican elected officials to impose extreme abortion bans that put the health and lives of women in jeopardy, force women to travel hundreds of miles for care and threaten to criminalize doctors and nurses for providing the health care that their patients need and that they are trained to provide.”

    Perfect.

  7. 7.

    eclare

    Great selection of tweets, thanks AL!  Especially like the one about voters being enraged after the people they elected start doing the things they promised to do.

    I think it was Maya Angelou who said, when people tell you who they are believe them the first time.

  10. 10.

    Tony Jay

    But I repeat myself

    ***JACKAL NEWS EXCLUSIVE***

    GOP Have A Secret Weapon For General Election Success – Biden

    Narrow victories for Biden-free tickets have sent Democrats a clear message, but will Party grandees listen to voters in time to fend off an impending 2024 catastrophe?

    NYTpolitics.org/readingthetealeaves

    ***YOU BUY THE NEWS WE BREAK

  11. 11.

    Asparagus Aspersions

    I was listening yesterday to Pod Save America, where they were expressing various levels of concern over the recent national polls showing Biden behind Trump. I took off my headphones feeling somewhat despairing. What a joy to wake up to these results this morning!
    I remain astonished at people who are astonished that Dobbs continues to reverberate. People who seem to think that since Roe was repealed more than a year ago, everyone should be over it by now. As if women will suddenly stop noticing that the health care they need is no longer available.
    Also, I take an unseemly amount of pleasure in imagining Youngkin’s mood this morning. You just know he’s been envisioning swooping in to save the GOP at some point, and I hope he has a long and unhappy day today.​

  12. 12.

    lowtechcyclist

    Man, I wish I could set that headline with Yusef Salaam right next to TFG’s morning coffee.

  13. 13.

    Shalimar

    It’s really nice to be a few points ahead in most races instead of a few points behind.  Winning is better than losing, and the resulting difference in governance will be huge.

    That said, very few of these wins the last 6 years have been overwhelming.  It’s easy to get depressed by how many people continue to vote for malignant cancer.  Doing the canpaign work and turning out Democrats is more important than ever next year.

  14. 14.

    Betty Cracker

    @Baud: Still, Ohioans beat back the effort to raise the threshold and overcame several other obstacles Repubs put in their path, e.g., anti-choice language, extra signatures requirement, etc. It’s a resounding victory in a state that hasn’t offered too many of those to Dems lately. I hope Sherrod Brown can use the issue to defeat whichever awful opponent the Ohio GOP horks up

    ETA: I’m also pleased that Repub defeats on reproductive rights are going to land in the 2024 GOP presidential primary like a grenade. Trump is absurdly trying to cast himself as the moderate on the issue, even though he’s the one who put in the judges who overturned Roe. Good luck with that, assholes!

  15. 15.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    See this is why I find it hard to panic over polls like that NYT-Sienna one that shows Biden in trouble. The actual election results have been trending so hard towards the Democrats that it’s hard to put credence in a poll that says something contrary to that trend. Who cares what the polls say when all we do is win, win, win on election day?

    Have to guard against complacency but things still seem to be trending strongly in the D direction. And this is all happening in off year elections with a D in the White House. That’s generally when the POTUS’s party does worst. So who are you going to believe, the polls or your lying eyes?

  17. 17.

    Matt McIrvin

    My candidates mostly won locally, except for a couple of the at-large City Council seats. Haverhill has its first woman mayor (not a surprise).

  18. 18.

    Matt McIrvin

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: Dave Wasserman’s theory to explain the special elections and such has been that the historic pattern has inverted and Democrats now do better in lower-turnout elections. I guess we’ll see. Of course what that would imply is that our organizing and GOTV are better.

  19. 19.

    Shalimar

    @eclare: When I was in law school decades ago, conservative groups went to a lot of trouble to get cases with facts most in their favor up to SCOTUS so they could be used as vehicles for reversing liberal precedent.  Rehnquist was the worst kind of scum, but he, Scalia, and the other conservatives were at least lawyers.   They had respect for institutional consistency and legal processes.

    The biggest difference with the Roberts court is that facts no longer matter.  Reading and thinking no longer matter.  Give Gorsuch a case like the high school football coach praying on the field with players, and he will change or ignore facts in the opinion to get the result he wants.  And Gorsuch is arguably the most honorable of the six.  It’s bullshit in, bullshit out now, with no legal reasoning necessary.

  20. 20.

    TS

    hehehehe

    It’s so interesting to read the media descriptions from before the votes were counted

    From WaPo

    Democratic Gov. Andy Beshear won his first term by less than a percentage point and faces a tough reelection in this conservative state. His Republican challenger is state Attorney General Daniel Cameron, a protege of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R).

    Followed by the results for Beshear  52.5% to 47.5%

    Will the media ever say  “David Cameron faces an uphill battle to defeat the current governor”

  21. 21.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @Matt McIrvin: Dobbs is the Occam’s Razor explanation. And if TiFG is the nominee Biden can hang that around his neck all election long. Even if it’s someone else they’ll be anti abortion and swimming upstream.

  24. 24.

    mrmoshpotato

    I hope this result gives that orange shitstain a stroke.

    Hear hear!

    🎶And a dick punch in Dump’s  fascist face!🎶

  26. 26.

    Central Planning

    Here in Monroe County, NY, the county executive (D) got re-elected. Last cycle he was the first D elected in 30 years.

    The news had a clip from his opponent where he said everyone should be rooting for him to be successful and hating on him because he’s a different party isn’t good for the community. That pleasantly surprised me.

  27. 27.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Baud:

    Oh, GOP debate shitshow tonight. And then there were five a handful of assholes who hate women, LGBTQ+ people, and people of color. 

    Fixed.  (And yes, I know there aren’t just 5 bigoted bastards left in their POS party.)

  28. 28.

    Brachiator

    @Shalimar:

    That said, very few of these wins the last 6 years have been overwhelming.  It’s easy to get depressed by how many people continue to vote for malignant cancer.

    I don’t see the point in feeling depressed about a win. More people are making a positive decision, and as you note, this means we must keep fighting for more victories.

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Dave Wasserman’s theory to explain the special elections and such has been that the historic pattern has inverted and Democrats now do better in lower-turnout elections.

    I don’t think that “historic patterns” represent anything meaningful or explains anything.

    We are winning the war against MAGA nonsense when given a fair chance.

    ETA. Isn’t the next GOP debate happening soon? The candidates need to explain why MAGA values are being rejected.

  34. 34.

    Brachiator

    @TS:

    His Republican challenger is state Attorney General Daniel Cameron, a protege of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R).

    I am so glad that Cameron lost. I don’t understand how he can be a Trump lackey.

  36. 36.

    Tony Jay

    ***JACKAL NEWS EXCLUSIVE***

     Maggie Helpherman

     No Country For Old Men? Foretelling Our Future After The Age Of Geriatric Leaders

    In an exclusive interview with this reporter, legendary political strategist Karl Rove, the Machiavellian brain behind Dubya’s stunning victories at home and abroad and bestselling author of ‘Send Your Best People: Winning Back Young America From The Coastal Elites‘ expounds on his hopes for a less partisan Washington, lays out the three things Republicans should do to counter Left-Wing messaging, and gives cocky Biden Democrats a stark warning about the dangers of mid-term overconfidence.

     

    Dawn was just breaking over the ivy-choked rooftops of suburban Georgetown when I was ushered into the kitchen of Karl Rove’s surprisingly modernist home-cum-thought salon, but the man himself, casually dressed in jeans and a baby-soft plaid shirt, already had a flip-phone pressed to one ear and was deep into a three way nuts-and-bolts review of last night’s election results that he continued even as he took my coat and poured me a mug of steaming black coffee. The message on the side of the mug read ‘Take It Slow, Do It Right’, but as he led me down a winding corridor lined with portraits of great men and women he’s worked with and for (just them, not him, “Vanity isn’t really a vice I’ve got time for these days” he’d later quip) I got the distinct impression that Karl Rove is a man in a hurry to set the country he loves back on the road to recovery…

    ***WE BREAK THE NEWS SO YOU CAN BUY IT

  37. 37.

    Shalimar

    @Baud: NBC would make more sense.  I don’t get network television anymore, but i have been listening to MSNBC off and on in the last 15 hours and heard the ads for the debate.

  39. 39.

    Mustang Bobby

    So, they’re having the debate here in Miami, and Gatorface is having a rally in Hialeah, the Cubanized suburb.

    I’m going to put the top down on the Mustang and drive to Mile 0 in Key West.

  41. 41.

    Princess

    It’s simple. Americans don’t want what the Trump MAGA GOP are selling. They reject it.

    Now, making the stakes clear and getting voters out (and unsuppressed) is another challenge. No guarantees on that. But the debate itself is won. It is clear.

  45. 45.

    evodevo

    @Baud: He spouts the line that resonates with our MAGAt voters – whatever the line happens to be today….his treatment of the Brianna Taylor debacle showed his true colors, and everyone saw it.  I doubt if even a cautionary word from Moscow Mitch would alter his course…

  47. 47.

    satby

    And I hope the DOJ goes after the MS AG (I think that’s the top election official there) for the election shenanigans down in Hinds Co. hard.

  49. 49.

    p.a.

    The ad before I could access Wordle was for a Sirota book, Where Have the Democratic Voters Gone?

     

    To the polls, asshole!

  50. 50.

    mali muso

    This is excellent news to wake up to!!!! After the stresses of past election nights, I did my civic duty to vote here in VA and get my friends out as well but studiously avoiding watching or following any returns last night.  What a relief that governor sweatervest got stomped.

  51. 51.

    kalakal

    I posted yesterday I felt optimistic and I’m even happier today. I had my fears for Beshear so am glad to be wrong.

    Both the pundits and the GQP have an incredible blind spot over Dobbs which tells us just how misogynistic they are.

    They. really.  don’t. get. it.

  52. 52.

    Geminid

    The shine may be off the new and shiny object but I would not count Glenn Youngkin out, at least not for 2028. There will be a new dynamic in Richmond though. Because of the last split General Assembly, Youngkin never had to sign or veto contested legislation. Now Senator Lucas and the Democratic House Speaker will be passing good bills and daring the Governor to veto them.

    In his 2021 election, Youngkin benefited from his lack of a record. That will not be the case when Younkin leaves office in January, 2026.

  57. 57.

    Tony Jay

    @kalakal:

    Hah! Imagine how crazy it would be to live in a world where you get paid for writing this delusional rubbish.

    Wait a minute…

  58. 58.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @raven: Heh, one of 43 unread emails, I guess I hadn’t checked it since some time last week. Thanx for passing the article along, it’s a good read.

  59. 59.

    Warblewarble

    The censure of  Rashida Tlaib was not any kind of winning it did exactly what the republicans intended , To find  22  Democrats who can always have their string jerked to get behind “OUR STRONGEST ALLIE” tm.

  61. 61.

    Frankensteinbeck

    “Joe Biden’s Democratic Party”

    I see that so rarely.  Wow.  And framed as a good thing.  It’s always “The Party of Trump” about Republicans, and Biden is just some old guy weighing Democrats down.

    the difference between the GOP and the Dems: for the former, “pussy” is the problem with “grab them in the pussy” and they genuinley don’t understand that for Dems, the problem is with “grab.”

    Absolutely true.  I remember when Limbaugh complained, seeming to think this was some kind of ‘gotcha’, that Democrats would tolerate any kind of sex if it was consensual.  Yes.  That’s the point.  They really think consent is irrelevant and sexual morality is based on other issues.

  62. 62.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Geminid:

    The shine may be off the new and shiny object but I would not count Glenn Youngkin out, at least not for 2028.

    Only because the quality of the GOP field is so poor, and isn’t going to get any better in the next four years.  What’s his record going to be? Vetoing a bunch of bills that have broad support.  Being unable to flip a couple of state legislature seats in an off-year that normally favors the party that’s not in the White House, so he should have had the wind at his back.  Wearing a fleece vest.  Being a white male (fail me upwards!) but they won’t exactly be in short supply in the GOP 2028 field. That’s going to be pretty much it, as far as I can see.

  63. 63.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    The Ormstein tweet above:

    A very tough night for many mainstream journalist and pundits. They will have to work all night long to turn this into the story of why it’s bad for Democrats.

    Tony Jay’s parody aside, here’s the FTFNYT delivering the real thing.

    6 Takeaways from Tuesday’s Elections

    President Biden is unpopular, but the winning streak for his party and its policies has been extended through another election night.

  64. 64.

    Yarrow

    @Baud:  The debate is going to be funny. I wonder if the moderators, apparently including Hugh Hewitt – retch, will mention that Republicans lost all over just yesterday? Ha ha ha ha ha. I crack myself up.

  65. 65.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Yep. And fucking ABC GMA started every single story about a Dem win with the same line, and further, basically said that the only reason Dems had a good showing is because of the abortion issue.

    Christ on a pogo stick, that’s like saying “the only reason Dems won was because they got more votes!”

  66. 66.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    Oh, yeah, they definitely did not need all night.  The “Winning is bad news for Democrats!” takes started immediately, even on MSNBC.  Mostly it followed that pattern.  They managed to find some polls saying Trump is more popular than Biden, and the Narrative will not be denied.

    EDIT – We’re going to see a reverse Nixon in 2024.  “How did Biden win?  Nobody except me and everyone I know voted for him.”

  67. 67.

    Geminid

    Some of the good news out of Virginia: all three consevative Montgomery County school board candidates lost yesterday.

    Montgomery County is west of Roanoke, has a population of 99,000, and its biggest towns are Christiansburg and Blacksburg, home of Virginia Tech.

  69. 69.

    montanareddog

    Just a reminder that Tangerine Palpatine, in 1989, called for the execution of the 15 year old child who today was elected to the New York City Council. There are innumerable examples of the low character of that smegbucket, but certain horrors stand out. Calling for the death penalty for children (whether innocent, as the Central Park 5 were, or guilty) is one of those horrors.

    And Yusuf Salaam’s ability to put that trauma behind him and make a positive contribution to society is a telling contrast with TIFG’s septic tank of pathologies.

  70. 70.

    BruceFromOhio

    @sab: ​
      Our community managed to beat back a prolonged, sustained incursion by festering idiots funded by the 1776 bunch. Not only did they get sent home, the one newly-elected school board member was the subject of a quick & dirty hit piece on a national Faux news bit. She received the most votes of all six candidates.

  72. 72.

    Betty Cracker

    @Warblewarble: FWIW, I think the censure was bullshit too, even though I think Rep. Tlaib is channeling her perfectly understandable anguish about the situation in Gaza in wholly unreasonable and extremely counterproductive directions.

  73. 73.

    rekoob

    As of 7:43a Eastern, the vote count in District 57 of the Virginia House of Delegates shows:

    David Owen (R) 14,095

    Susanna Gibson (D) 14,985

    No early/provisional votes counted yet, but that looks like a solid lead for Gibson.

  74. 74.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @montanareddog:

    And note that Trump paid his own money, a lot of money, to take out that full page ad calling for their death.  At the time, there was no profit in it for him, economic or political, and he is a renowned miser.

    That is how much he hates black people.

  75. 75.

    BruceFromOhio

    DC strategists’ and polls that have been proven wrong time and time again.

    Reason number sixteen jillion to stop paying attention to these clickbaiting dingbats. If you’re looking for forecasts and supposition, watch The Weather Channel.

  76. 76.

    Geminid

    I’m hoping Representatives Gabe Amo (RI) and Gabe Vasquez (NM) start a Gabe Caucus. Amo is 36 and Vazquz is 39; there may be some more Gabes in their age cohort coming to Congress in the next few cycles..

  77. 77.

    Tim Ellis

    What a great night! I will add this interesting piece from Philly – the Philly Council reserves two seats for the opposition party and because Philly is a Dem stronghold, Republicans have been relegated to those two seats for like 70 years.

    But now the Republicans have lost, and both seats are held by Working Families Party reps (WFP is a “fusion” progressive party that works with Democrats but also works to shift the party). They explicitly celebrated “relegating the Republican party to the dustbin of history” which is very satisfying to me lol

    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/philly-at-large-council-results-2023-20231108.html

  80. 80.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Tim Ellis:

    WFP is a “fusion” progressive party that works with Democrats but also works to shift the party

    I am fine with that.  I’m all for more progressive politics as long as the actual result isn’t right wing successes.  Hell, I’m delighted to finally see some non-crazy asshole far Left in this country.

  81. 81.

    Matt McIrvin

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: Did Democrats and our issues outperform polling last night, though?

    It looks to me like the vote on Ohio Issue 1 was well in line with the advance polling, maybe slightly underperformed. The polls on Beshear v. Cameron were all over the place–the ones where Cameron did best got publicity but it doesn’t look like the result was way out of line with the aggregate. Not sure about the others.

    I guess one lesson may be just to not cherry-pick the polls that look scariest or most dramatic.

  83. 83.

    Anyway

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    And note that Trump paid his own money, a lot of money, to take out that full page ad calling for their death.  At the time, there was no profit in it for him, economic or political, and he is a renowned miser.

    Every article about the Orange mobster should make a reference to this. Should have disqualified him as a serious candidate right off the escalator…

  84. 84.

    Tony Jay

    OT – In a move shocking to absolutely nobody, those ever so brave hypocrites running the steaming pile of centre-right fluffery known colloquially as The (Fuck The Fucking) Guardian have shown the door to their brilliant political cartoonist of 40 years, Steve Bell, for ruthlessly mocking the wrong bastards being a bit too left-wing for the FTF Guardian’s crappy narrative being a horrible old antisemite.

    Bell was told by the rag’s editors that he couldn’t publish a cartoon depicting a boxing-glove wearing Bibi Netanyahu with a Gaza shaped pattern on his stomach and a scalpel in hand because it was obviously, they said, a reference to Shylock + Pound of Flesh and was therefore an antisemitic trope. Bell, who had to ask the editors to explain what the fuck they were talking about, put an image of the cartoon out on Twi-X, alongside the 1966 David Levine cartoon it was referencing that depicted Lyndon Johnson pointing at a Vietnam-shaped operation scar on his own body. You can tell it was referencing that famous image because it actually says so on the Netanyahu cartoon, but since absolutely nobody is allowed to question the editorial decisions of the FTF Guardian without reprisal, certainly not where bullshit accusations of antisemitism being weaponised to silence left-wing voices are concerned, Bell was fired.

    Here’s an article showing both cartoons for anyone who’s interested. And may I just say, once again, Fuck The Fucking Guardian and everyone involved in that piece of shit corporate cleaning-house of a brochure for everything rotten in the state of centrist wankery. Being trampled to death by a stampede of one-legged stiletto models while writhing naked and bound in a field blanketed with nettles and rusty syringes would be too good for them. Fuck them, fuck their cowardice, fuck their bullshit business model, fuck their ill-thought-out collusion with the stalest nuts in the Likudnik propaganda turd, fuck absolutely everything about them.

    Now, that said, its weekly Football cartoon is great.

  86. 86.

    Suzanne

    Mostly good news here in PA! McCaffery won the Supreme Court seat. Innamorato won the Allegheny County Executive race.

  88. 88.

    JMG

    I do not understand how the bothsides media chorus fails to see that for once that’s a valid idea. Yes, Biden is unpopular, but so are the other guys, more even. The side that best navigates that reality wins and so far that’s been Biden’s side.

  90. 90.

    Honus

    @Geminid: worked as an observer at Monticello, Biscuit Run and Free Union yesterday.  Despite a plethora of money, signs and noisy supporters, Meg Scalia Bryce lost by almost 10,000 votes to Alison Spillman.

  91. 91.

    Baud

    I’m trying to think of another time where the president was “deeply unpopular” but the party’s candidates still did really well.

  97. 97.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Tim Ellis: Did anyone upthread mention that Philly also just elected their first woman mayor, Cherelle Parker?

    I’ve been struggling to find results for our little corner of suburban Delaware County, which was mostly a bunch of local races not of much interest to the wider media.

    It looks pretty much like a Democratic sweep. The Democratic county DA won his race. In a 6-person race for 3 seats on the county council, the 3 Dems won. In competitive judge races, the Dem won.

    The only place where I see Republicans didn’t lose was in judge retention. We had five “nonpartison” retention questions, where the vote was whether the judge does or doesn’t stay on the court. From what I was reading, retention has always been pretty routine.

    This year the local Democratic party identified the Republican judges (four out of five) and asked Dems to vote NO. Unfortunately that messaging went out very late and probably not widely enough. All were retained. But the NOs were around 40% nevertheless.

  98. 98.

    Soprano2

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: You see how they’re playing games with the efforts to get the abortion measures on the ballot? I think they want to delay it to keep it off the November 2024 ballot. That gives them another chance to restrict the referendum process before we get a chance to vote for abortion rights. I think it will take the courts to say “No, no more lawsuits over the exact same issue we’re already ruled on before, it ends now” to stop the nonsense.

  99. 99.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    And fucking ABC GMA…basically said that the only reason Dems had a good showing is because of the abortion issue.

    As if that’s some triviality, rather than a fundamental issue of bodily autonomy that the two parties are on opposite sides of.

    Fuck these fucking idiots.

  102. 102.

    Suzanne

    @lowtechcyclist:

    As if that’s some triviality, rather than a fundamental issue of bodily autonomy that the two parties are on opposite sides of. 

    “They’re only voting for you because you better represent their interests and concerns!” is really not the deep, wounding blow they’re going for.

  103. 103.

    hueyplong

    @lowtechcyclist: It will be the “only” reason Dems win again in 2024. We should probably be glad that the opposition keeps minimizing what looks like the central issue in campaigns for a while. Enraging the bitchez to their core turns out not to be the hitmaker the GOPer strategists and their media fellow travelers contemplated.

  104. 104.

    lowtechcyclist

    @BruceFromOhio:

    Reason number sixteen jillion to stop paying attention to these clickbaiting dingbats. If you’re looking for forecasts and supposition, watch The Weather Channel.

    I get all the news I need on the weather report…

  108. 108.

    Yarrow

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Dobbs isn’t a one-and-done event. Dobbs is ongoing in women’s lives.

    It’s kind of amazing how Republicans and a lot of men don’t understand this. Even if a national law got passed to protect the right of women to govern their own health care decisions, who would trust it? The Supreme Court has shown they’ll just do what they want. The fight is every day and ongoing.

  110. 110.

    Geminid

    @Honus: I think 2004 was the first year Albemarle County voted Democratic in a presidential election since the 1960s. It has trended steadily blue since; there are a lot of similar suburban areas nationwide that have progressed similarly.

    But the big question this morning is: will “Czar Chasm” be Fluvanna County’s next Treasurer?

  114. 114.

    Soprano2

    @Baud: They say that a lot, that if we only allowed white people to vote of course Republicans would win, as if that’s an option.

  115. 115.

    Barbara

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: ​I think it’s also sinking in with voters that no matter how reasonable they try to sound — Youngkin’s 15 week “compromise” — Republicans can’t be trusted and will just keep tightening the wrench around women’s autonomy.

  117. 117.

    Brit in Chicago

    @Soprano2: Half-watching MNSBC last night I saw someone from an abortion rights organization say something like: “They (meaning men, pretty much) don’t know how angry we (meaning women) are.” I think she’s probably right, and I hope the anger doesn’t go away, and continues to be put to good use.

  118. 118.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Tony Jay: bestselling author of ‘Send Your Best People: Winning Back Young America From The Coastal Elites‘ expounds on his hopes for a less partisan Washington, lays out the three things Republicans should do to counter Left-Wing messaging, and gives cocky Biden Democrats a stark warning about the dangers of mid-term overconfidence.

    ROFL

  119. 119.

    Barbara

    @Baud: ​There are a lot of horror stories emerging not just about women being denied life-saving care when they are pregnant but women losing access to care if they might be pregnant. It’s scary and it’s infuriating to be seen first and foremost as a vessel for breeding.

  120. 120.

    lowtechcyclist

    @hueyplong:

    That one took a second to register, Paul.

    I figured that would give people a pleasant earworm to start the day. :-)

    @Honus:

    that was before rural Goochland came in. Susanna lost by about a thousand votes.

    It’s always amused me that there’s a Goochland County in Virginia.  What’s a ‘gooch’ and why is that their land?  (All I really know about it is that it’s off of I-64 between Richmond and C’ville. Been up and down that road more than a few times.)

  122. 122.

    TS

    @Barbara:

    Youngkin’s 15 week “compromise”

    And that is no compromise to most women. As a posted mentioned some threads back – women know what has happened with friends and family. I know of the saddest of terminations that happened 18-20 weeks – wanted by none – impacted by reality & also of miscarriages after 15 weeks.

    One of the worst impacts of the GOP rules has to be making miscarriages illegal – an absolute nightmare for so many women & their doctors.

  123. 123.

    Chris

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Absolutely true.  I remember when Limbaugh complained, seeming to think this was some kind of ‘gotcha’, that Democrats would tolerate any kind of sex if it was consensual.  Yes.  That’s the point.  They really think consent is irrelevant and sexual morality is based on other issues.

    Because for most of the twentieth century, it was some sort of gotcha.  For most of the lives of people like Limbaugh, God knows why, being a professional pervert who spent your whole life sniffing through everybody else’s bedrooms to make sure that every position they were having sex in was approved by the church was considered not just okay, but the very definition of morality, wholesomeness, and Family Values.

    The fact that post-Boomer demographics, even outside of liberals, view these people for what they are is a reality they’re still having the hardest time adjusting to.

  125. 125.

    Chris

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    EDIT – We’re going to see a reverse Nixon in 2024.  “How did Biden win?  Nobody except me and everyone I know voted for him.”

    We already saw that in 2012.

    “Everybody Knew” Romney was going to win, to the point that he hadn’t even written a concession speech.

  127. 127.

    Geminid

    @lowtechcyclist: Sir William Gooch was the Lieutenant Royal Governor of Virginia from 1727 to the late 1840s. His boss, Royal Governor Lord Albemarle, stayed in England and let Sir William do the work. Goochland County was originally settled by Huguenot refugees

    I met a Bill Gooch once. He was a civil engineer doing soil analysis for a septic field. If I’d known then what I know now, I would have called him “Sir.”

  130. 130.

    Layer8Problem

    A note to the valkyries managing this almost-top-10,000 blog’s FTFWP back end: maybe the Twitter’s decided to add a tracker to their tweet widget? My long-standing EFF Privacy Badger extension on my Firefox browser replaced the Twitter widgets up top in the post with its own box with buttons offering access the Twitter widget if desired. The associated help stuff at the Electronic Frontier Foundation site says “Social media widgets (such as the Facebook Like button) often track your reading habits. Even if you don’t click them, the social media companies often see exactly which pages you’re seeing the widget on. When blocking social buttons and other potentially useful (video, audio, comments) widgets, Privacy Badger can replace them with click-to-activate placeholders. You will not be tracked by these replacements unless you explicitly choose to click them. Note that Privacy Badger will not replace social media widgets unless it has blocked the associated tracker.”

    Anyway, I’ve never seen that before at BJ and figured it was worth a mention.  Maybe it’s the first time we’re using that widget for tweets?  I know tracking’s a thing and lotsa people don’t care, but I don’t like Musk.

  131. 131.

    Chris

    @Betty Cracker:

    @Warblewarble: FWIW, I think the censure was bullshit too, even though I think Rep. Tlaib is channeling her perfectly understandable anguish about the situation in Gaza in wholly unreasonable and extremely counterproductive directions.

    I swear to God, the most nauseating thing about all Israel/Palestine discussions in the United States (I know you’re not the one saying this) is that only one side is allowed to process anguish in unreasonable and counterproductive directions.  The other side must remain perfect camera-friendly righteous victims at all times otherwise it just proves they’re all terrorists/anti-Semites.

  133. 133.

    frosty

    @sab: All four of my school board candidates lost. I suppose I should start attending the meetings to see what kind of fuckery the winners are going to be up to.

    In more positive news, 2 of the 3 borough council winners were Democrats, which is a good result in this blood-red municipality.

    Statewide and nationally, we did well, but the local results put a damper on my happiness.

  134. 134.

    Layer8Problem

    @Geminid, @rekoob:
    I knew a Ben Gooch, a computer security guy from Australia who was a drinking associate at my local public house, decamped these past two years for pastures greener in the Big Smoke (London). He mentioned visiting Goochland County and being treated like a dignitary.

  135. 135.

    Chris

    @Barbara:

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: ​I think it’s also sinking in with voters that no matter how reasonable they try to sound — Youngkin’s 15 week “compromise” — Republicans can’t be trusted and will just keep tightening the wrench around women’s autonomy.

    I really hope so.  I’ve been waiting my whole adult life for that to happen.

    After George W. Bush saddled us with two Vietnam War sequels and the worst economy since the Great Depression in a mere eight years, it should have been impossible for Republicans to win a majority again for at least a decade.

  136. 136.

    Chris

    @Baud:

    That would be amazing. The inability of Republicans to develop a bad reputation is astounding and frustrating.

    The media has a lot to do with it.  They’ve swallowed every Republican makeover in the teabagger vein and did everything they could to spread their narrative.

    So do the Republican moles like Lieberman and Sinemanchin who spend the first year of any Democratic presidency bogging down everything they can as loudly and publicly as they can until whatever momentum came from the election has run aground and the narrative of “ugh, Washington is broken and [Democratic president] is just more of the same!” settles in.

  138. 138.

    Tim Ellis

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    WFP does it right imo; they are very aware of the reality of the situation and the stakes, so they only operate in places where they can do “fusion” voting – basically anywhere it’s a contest with the GOP, they endorse the Dem, so the Democrat appears on the ballot twice, once on the Dem line and once on the WFP line. WFP ballots count the same for electoral purposes, they’re just a way to show the progressive vote strength in that contest without splitting the vote.

    They’ll nominate their own candidates in districts where it’s solid blue and no risk, or in places where it’s “at large” like Philly, since there’s no risk of vote split that way. It’s really a smart operation, they started in NY (where they have a counterpart on the right called the Constitution Party) and have spread to like 8 or 10 other states, always first organizing to make fusion voting possible. They’ll weigh in on the Dem primary too sometimes (they endorsed Warren in 2020).

  140. 140.

    Tim Ellis

    @Chris:

    Agreed. A significant portion of the grievance rage we see from the GOP (and a big driver of their rejection of democracy itself) is the deep-down realization that their ideas are no longer dominant, indeed are fast becoming reviled. They may not openly admit it, even to themselves, but in their heart of hearts they do know it and they hate it.

  142. 142.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Frankensteinbeck: Trump isn’t completely devoid of actual beliefs–he has a few bedrock ones he sticks to. One of those is racism.

    (Another is a preoccupation with other countries “laughing at us” or “giving us a raw deal”, in particular that alliances with other democracies are some kind of sucker’s game.)

  143. 143.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Chris: This is kind of what MisterDancer has been saying and what I’ve been saying. I don’t agree with people declaring that they will never vote for Biden over Israel/Palestine when any Republican is obviously worse even on that same issue, but I can understand their reaction to trauma and not get that mad about it in the moment. People are not emotionless utilitarian calculators. It’s a hard attitude to get to under the best of circumstances. And it does seem like some people get more allowance for that than others in the court of public opinion.

  144. 144.

    Mike in NC

    We left Virginia 15 years ago, but I knew that this guy Youngkin was just another bag of shit like his predecessor George Allen, another creep who had eyes on the White House.

  145. 145.

    Geminid

    @Mike in NC: Foungkin’ Younkgin has been running for President ever since he was elected Governor. This election was a setback for him, but it won’t be the end. Now though, Youngkin will face a Democratic General Assembly and that will be challenge.

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