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Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Joe Biden can go out like FDR, not by dying in office, but by crushing the fascists.

I did not have this on my fuck 2022 bingo card.

He imagines himself as The Big Bad, Who Is Universally Feared… instead of The Big Jagoff, Who Is Universally Mocked.

Let’s show the world that autocracy can be defeated.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

Conservatism: there are people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

The current Supreme Court is a rogue court. Very dangerous.

Fundamental belief of white supremacy: white people are presumed innocent, minorities are presumed guilty.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

Someone should tell Republicans that violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, or possibly the first.

I conferred with the team and they all agree – still not tired of winning!

I was confident that someone would point it out and thought why not me.

Be a traveling stable for those who can’t find room at the inn.

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Monday Evening Open Thread

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All the internet legal eagles seem quite certain that TRUMP’S APPEAL of Judge Chutkan’s ruling on Trump’s ridiculous claim of absolute immunity will be shot down quickly by the appeals court and that the even our so-called Supreme Court won’t pick it up.

I know we won’t know the outcome until it happens, but it’s nice to think that some sanity might be introduced back into all of these proceedings.

Your thoughts?

Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    I how the Supreme Court reverses so Biden can declare himself perpetual president with Hunter as his heir.

  2. 2.

    cain

    I can’t see SCOTUS saying ” yeah, everyone gets a get of jail free” – I mean, wtf…

    Update on my wife’s meeting with the district. It went horribly – no apologies and basically dared to file the lawsuit. The lawyer is going to talk to the district lawyer and then we are going to see where they going to go with this. But if we decide on such a thing it’s going to be 2-3 years of our lives.

    But part of me wants them to bring them down as justice for people of color so they don’t do that to other people.

    As for all the harm, they basically saying they want her to make nice with the abusive principal. But the fact that they came up with more lies seems like they think they can bully her out of the system.

  7. 7.

    smith

    Glenn Kirschner agrees with all the other legal eagles that SCOTUS is unlikely to touch it, or, if they do, will shoot it down immediately. He had an interesting point: SCOTUS is going to be highly motivated by its own future survival. In the dictatorship TFG is dreaming of, they would be booted, or worse, the first time they so much as looked at him even the tiniest bit wrong. Supremes must stay supreme!

  8. 8.

    JohnC

    I think you meant “Trump’s appeal” will be shot down, not Chutkan’s ruling, which would be upheld? (Omnes got there first)

  9. 9.

    cain

    @smith: The SCOTUS as an institution would be dead. They’d only be a rubber stamp. Well I suppose Thomas would be happy – he can spend all his time going on trips with Ginny. But likely without a benefactor to pay for it.. oh wait.

  12. 12.

    Martin

    @Baud: If only USSC had the same kind of fear that Biden would just have the military seize the voting machines and declare himself ruler forever because doing so would now be legal as they seem to be of Trump doing it.

    But Democrats will play by rules that don’t even exist, so why preserve them?

  13. 13.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: I was actually planning to add something about Biden in the post, but I got a phone call from a client just as I was about to add it, so I just pressed publish.

    Just think about it.

    IF
    the Supreme Court said that presidents can do whatever the hell they want, break laws, stay in power even if they lose the election,

    THEN
    who’s in office when they make that ruling?  Joseph R. Biden.  And they would be giving him permission to do all the shit that Trump tried to do, and more.

    This court wouldn’t take that chance.

  14. 14.

    Ohio Mom

    @cain: I haven’t been keeping up with threads very well lately so I missed the beginning of the story. I’m sorry for the wringer your wife is being put through. I’m glad to hear she has a lawyer.

    It’s my belief that there are more awful principals than good ones, a belief implanted in me by my mother, who taught elementary school and ended up working under several different principals. Each seemed more difficult than the last, though maybe that reflected my mother’s growing impatience with jerks.

    Every time I read something complaining about the state of schools, I notice everyone is blamed except for principals. It’s the teachers, it’s the parents who let their kids misbehave and don’t encourage achievement, it’s the kids who misbehave, it’s the colleges which teach people how to be teachers, the list goes on.

    Let’s change how we teach math, let’s change how we teach reading, let’s test everyone all the time.

    Somehow principals escape any scrutiny and yet they set the tone for the school and either encourage or demoralize their teaching staff.

  17. 17.

    WaterGirl

    @cain: That’s what attorneys are for.  If you got the right attorney, they will have been through this before, and they will know how the game is played.

    Hard to be in the middle of it, though.

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    @Martin: I think he’s the guy SHE’S THE PERSON who’s trying to claim that he didn’t threaten the witness because he didn’t actually use her name.

    That’s such bullshit that I can almost smell it over here.

  20. 20.

    cain

    @Ohio Mom: Thanks you – my wife in the 3 months she’s been at this school has truly made a difference. The outpouring of love and affection for her is everywhere. The teachers and the kids love her.

    I’m simply not able to comprehend the actions of this district – don’t you want the school to improve? It is their lowest performing school district because the principal is not able to run the school without bullying teachers and kids. My wife told me about a story about a kid whose wheelchair broke, and the teacher was trying to fix it – they were in the middle the hall. When the teacher told the principal what was going on – the teacher brusquely told the teacher (and maybe she was trying to be funny), “well, he can crawl can’t he?” – that’s the level of cruelty this woman has. Yet, she also wants to be appreciated and be loved. Very damaged person.

    A principal as you say is so important when running a school – they lift up the teachers. Still trying to figure out why the district wants to go down the legal route. They literally caught the COO lying with witnesses. Just a crazy bunch of people.

  22. 22.

    WaterGirl

    @cain:  Yep.  Are you confident that you have the right attorney?  With experience in this area?

    I wouldn’t have the faintest idea where to start if I suddenly had to hire an attorney like that.

  32. 32.

    lollipopguild

    Sanity?   Everyone knows that there is no such thing as Sanity(clause).  I will show myself out.

  35. 35.

    Matt McIrvin

    Metaphors involving shooting and bullets in reference to these cases really make me wince these days. I am afraid for Judge Chutkan.

  36. 36.

    Scout211

    Comer announced another Biden “scandal” today.  There are regular payments from Hunter Biden’s account to Joe BIDEN’s bank account.  Payments! Regular ones!  Link

     

    Leaked emails, however, suggest the payments were payback for a Ford truck Joe Biden helped his son buy

  37. 37.

    Chris Johnson

    @smith: This is one of the good things about our adversarial, tripartite system.

    Even relatively dumb judges must think of their own self-interest, and not just in the short term. They don’t have any divisions, and they don’t want trouble above their (apparently lamentable) pay grades. And now, they don’t want their side hustles messed up.

    I don’t think they’re going to help Trump here.

  38. 38.

    cain

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: Thanks – hopefully it won’t be a lawsuit. My wife already been involved in one before when some nurse who despite her objections inserted a needle in her arm and caused nerve damage. The jury awarded damages to her. :-) But man, the vile things the hospital’s lawyers said about her to cut her reputation..

    Some lawyers are awesome – BJ lawyers are awesome. That hospital lawyer not so much. :D

    The lawyer we got seems quite energized about going after them- I think lawyers generally like when they can do a David vs Goliath story, and he has had a lot of experience going after school districts.

  39. 39.

    cain

    @Scout211: oh noes – a parent helped buy his kid a truck!! I think it’s going to be hard to sell that as anything than what it is – and so many of us actually do that for our kids.

  41. 41.

    smith

    @Baud: Wasn’t their previous earthshaking smoking gun the loan he made to his brother, which the brother paid back?!! The big takeaway message from these shocking revelations is that Biden is (gasp!) generous toward his family.

  43. 43.

    Eolirin

    @smith: Too many of these fucking people think the only reason why you’d ever conceive of loaning money to family is if you’re engaged in money laundering. So they buy that it’ll come across as nefarious.

    Normal humans are never going to see it that way.

  46. 46.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @cain: “… “well, he can crawl can’t he?” – that’s the level of cruelty this woman has.”

    Holy crap! Get this person away from children as fast as possible! How in the hell did this person get into that position?

    Wow. good luck to your wife and you in your fight against this crap.

  48. 48.

    wjca

    @cain: oh noes – a parent helped buy his kid a truck!!

    They’re definitely screwed on this one.  Now if it was a car, that could be problematic.  But the MAGAts loves them their trucks; buying a truck can never be wrong.

  49. 49.

    Ohio Mom

    The thing is, Biden has wanted to be president since forever. I don’t think he’d screw up his chances with money laundering or something similar.

    Merely being caught plagiarizing was enough of a ding (I’m not sure I buy borrowing a line or two as plagiarizing. Buying an entire term paper off the internet, yes).

    Now insider trading, well apparently it’s legal and a lot of Congresspeople partake, though I don’t remember hearing that Biden did that. I don’t think Congresspeople should be allowed to trade stocks but I’m not in charge.

  50. 50.

    Ohio Mom

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: While I admit I erased from memory everything I knew about special education law when Ohio Son took his high school diploma, I’m guessing there isn’t a law against joking at a disabled student’s expense, as distasteful as that is.

    But that attitude makes me suspect this principal has indeed violated the rights of special ed students one way or another.

  51. 51.

    JaySinWA

    @WaterGirl:

    This court wouldn’t take that chance.

    I think there might be a “leopards eating faces party” rebuttal to that logic. I hope you are right, but I don’t have quite as  much faith in the logic of the Supremes.

  52. 52.

    artem1s

    This court wouldn’t take that chance.

    Unless they decide that it’s one of those ‘this time only’ situations. The Roberts court has done that plenty of times. In the past they had a relatively good chance of getting something out of a dicey ruling. This time, not so much. This is for TIFG after all.

  53. 53.

    Ajabu

    @Ohio Mom:

    My wife, after 2 decades of teaching, spent the last 15 years before retiring as a principal- adored by teachers, parents and students. She knew every individual kid by name! She was “not renewed “ at two different schools because they wanted her – as a Black woman – to act as a buffer against parents of Black students. Wasn’t happening… She remains in contact with former staff and students (many grown and inspired by her to go into education) I remain proud of her and still resent the “superintendents “ who fucked with her.

  54. 54.

    sdhays

    @Ohio Mom: As I understand it, the “plagiarism” was an extended quote that Biden typically correctly attributed to the British politician who wrote it, but one time he accidentally skipped over the attribution, and the press decided it was “plagiarism”.

  55. 55.

    Ramona

    @Chris Johnson: Aileen Cannon is slow-walking and carelessly sniping at the government prosecutors in Fort Pierce on the mishandling of classified and National Defense Information documents.

  56. 56.

    wjca

    @Ramona:

    But even compared to just Trump-appointed judges (even just Trump-appointed, rated “not qualified,” judges), Cannon is exceptionally bad.  I’m not sure it’s useful to take her as indicative of what the vast majority of judges would do.

  58. 58.

    mvr

    @JaySinWA: Sort of have the same worry.  They don’t have to agree with Trump to help him out. All they need to do is take the appeal and drag it out.

    OTOH most of them have not been eager to take Trump’s election challenges and that makes me think that aside from a couple of grifters even the majority of the bad guys would rather see Trump gone so that they can do their thing under cover of a respectable and more conventional reactionary regime. So they may not want to help him personally even if they do want to bring back the (18)50s.

  60. 60.

    Lapassionara

    @cain: I am so sorry. What a colossal disappointment. I hope she hangs in there. Please let us know what happens next.

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