Windows when rolled down are also fully bulletproof https://t.co/MyFEimwx1r
— Pinboard (@Pinboard) November 30, 2023
Musk permanently fled South African when his apartheid-enabled childhood came to a violent end, so it’s not really surprising every downturn in his personal prospects since then has led him to visualize apocalyptic end times. But the ‘solutions’ he chooses don’t actually work, outside of the movie-boosted fantasies of an insecure ninth-grader…
grinning as a i survive a tommy gun attack and immediately hit a bollard at 30mph that snaps my spine in 5 places https://t.co/OmzsPhkkMH
— Josh Sawyer (@jesawyer) December 1, 2023
The fact you can't even see the child in the back seat in the 3rd frame is, um, not great https://t.co/c6C88v3jPr
— The okayest poster there is (@ok_post_guy) December 2, 2023
Tesla can sell the CyberTruck to hundreds of law enforcement agencies as their standard patrol vehicle.
— Mark Nakata (@mrnonel) November 1, 2023
He might not be able to *sell* these to any local government with a working balance sheet, but surely he’d find willing test drivers among America’s least trustworthy police corps…
Sawyer why have I never seen lights like this on any other police car, and why do they look like PlayStation Move controllers?
This whole thing looks like some shitty Disney World ride https://t.co/IohfiYUlOX pic.twitter.com/9FlCvjpMzu
— The okayest poster there is (@ok_post_guy) December 2, 2023
And then there’s the *other* repair issues…
principle of most access. excited to have my brakes not work because of a vuln in the center console netflix app https://t.co/klGpBuWUIE
— come and see fancam (@revhowardarson) December 5, 2023
Vuln(erability)
Elon Musk’s Mad Max fantasies only work with old-style mechanical vehicles and ample stockpiles of gasoline. Cybertrucks that are dependent on the internet and charging stations won’t do much good in that scenario. https://t.co/559gQCCqxt
— Mark R. Yzaguirre (@markyzaguirre) December 1, 2023
It’d be genuinely sad, if Musk’s emotional vulns didn’t have such vast real-world costs.
HumboldtBlue
Is this the kid’s cartoon-show-off-their-art-work-night?
Also, I don’t have any kids.
I was one, though.
ColoradoGuy
What’s so bizarre about the Mad Max fantasies is that gasoline supplies would be the first thing to go. Petroleum requires a huge distributed infrastructure to work, and is very fragile. Power generation also requires a substantial infrastructure that is millisecond-accurate (all the generators in a AC grid have to be phase-locked).
Ask the Texans or South Africans what happens when maintenance is deferred.
Martin
Can anyone point to a single thing in the automotive market that is thriving? Every single thing in the industry feels like self-harm at this point.
ColoradoGuy
Actually, things look pretty bright for Tesla’s competitors. The Ford Lightning, the Hyundai/Kia twins, Volkswagen, and of course, the Chinese with their massive investments in electric vehicles.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if five years from now, Tesla has been parted out for their IP portfolio, which does have some good tech in it.
Marmot
@ColoradoGuy:
That’s pretty much the basis for The Road Warrior, which while not very reasonable, is a fantastic movie. The predecessor, Mad Max, is terrible, I don’t care what anyone says.
Jay
@Martin:
Used cars,……..
catfishncod
I can’t say I’m laughing. I hadn’t heard the “bulletproof” part before; having heard it, I’m no longer surprised at things like “no crumple zones.”
Consider: could this simply be a way to put street-legal, openly purchased, mass-produced, stochastically controlled APCs on American highways?
A lot of these “drawbacks” (like the 3rd seat you can’t see into) sound like they would be suspiciously convenient not only for a post-apocalyptic scenario, but for a pre-apocalyptic scenario of instigation…
Marmot
Aren’t there safety design regulations? When I was watching a video of a guy test driving the thing, he mentioned how sharp the angles at the front end are.
It reminded me of some car from yesteryear that gored pedestrians with its hood ornament.
Edit: Now I find it confirmed that there aren’t real crumple zones!
Martin
@ColoradoGuy: Except that EVs are out of reach of most car buyers. We’ll see if the tax credit changes next year change that, but median price of $55K and public charging is still a big problem.
I had a zoom with the city planners today on a city plan they’re getting feedback on and they’ve shifted even more of development plans to car free because it’s the only way they can hit their affordability numbers. Nuke the parking and car access (roads) and you can build ⅓ more units for the same land cost. Their data shows that ⅓ of 16-20 year olds in the city don’t have licenses.
Marmot
@Martin: What city is that?
mrmoshpotato
Apartheid Bitchboy totally misunderstood RoboCop.
hueyplong
“That’s a Bingo!”
This is a remake of the movie in which the “unintended consequences” part is the core of the project. The writers telegraphed their contempt for subtle nuance by having cartoonish Joe Rogan shoot that arrow at the cartoonish CyberTruck. Apparently that Tate guy was unavailable.
Debbie(Aussie)
don’t countries or in case of US states, have safety standards that vehicles must meet. Like a crumple zone that in modern cars means lives saved. We have a star rating. It would fail miserably. And it’s ugly.
edited to add missing word
NotMax
Little Fiat shows promise. Now if only it was offered in a skootch longer four door model.
NotMax
While on the subject of controversial design, ugly or avant garde?
Tony Jay
Wow. Between Cybertrucking-Up at every juncture, his “F#*k You, I am Eartho the Living Planet” interview, the ongoing full-spectrum Xhitterisation of his version of Twitter, the needy anti-Semitism (and whoever thought that would be a genuine thing) and naming his last in-wedlock genetic-downloads after the Necron/Dark Eldar/Space Marine Warhammer 40K team-up of his teenage dreams, Musky Lone must be burning through ego-stroking lackeys faster than Trump goes through lawyers.
The weirdo needs an actual train-set. A proper one, with the paints and the decals and all the scenery hand-painted. Get him out of his own fetid head for a while.
p.a.
Long ago when I had cable, I saw a version of Mad Max overdubbed by (I assume) American actors, as if Aussie accents were a diff language. (As if the Aussie accent was Scottish 😉) Every actor overdubbed.
Geminid
@hueyplong: I think it was a YouTube celebrity archer named Joe Rohan who shot the arrows at that Cybetruck, and not the garrulous Joe Rogan. But a couple days ago I saw some publication saying it Joe Rogan, so this may be one of those Rashomon things.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Now, now, let’s not be too harsh on the Cybertruck. There’s nothing wrong with it that couldn’t be fixed with three or four passes through a car crusher.
lowtechcyclist
@NotMax:
I’ve got a Samsung washer and dryer that play the theme from Schubert’s Trout Quintet at the end of the cycle. Guess this is becoming a thing.
hueyplong
@Geminid: Definitely a Rashomon thing for me.
TBone
My sincere hope is for fElon to undergo rapid unplanned disassembly. His meltdown in the recent interview was a preview, and we should take steps to prevent the launch pad (us) from being blown to bits in the process.
HeartlandLiberal
Watching Elon Musk speak in various videos, he does have the body language and appearance of an insecure nine year old. He certainly never advanced that far beyond the mental age of a nine year old.
JWR
Wow! From NBC:
Another instance of when someone tells you who they are, believe them. The article goes on to describe the actions taken so far by Team Biden to use this against TFG’s “Dicktator for a Day” schtick.
Baud
@JWR: Closing the border is not a surprise, but is “drill, drill, drill” a new talking point? IIRC, it was also McCain’s line.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: It’s an article of faith on the right that the price of gasoline is inflated by Democrats not wanting to drill in the Arctic wilderness, so I assume some form of this has been around all along, if not in those words.
raven
The new disc brakes on my 66 Chevy Truck are awesome!
Baud
@Matt McIrvin: Right, it’s not a policy that’s off the GOP reservation. But I don’t recall Trump highlighting as much as he seems to do in that excerpt, or in those words.
2008
AnonPhenom
Just think, all this *arrested development* could have been avoided if ‘Laura’ had just gone on a date with him back then…
Marmot
@p.a.: Weird. That can’t have made it worse, though.
And in the U.S., the second movie was retitled The Road Warrior because—I think—Mad Max never had a wide release in theaters. In Oz, it’s Mad Max II, so I think that meddling worked out pretty well.
Princess
Where is Ralph Nader when we really need him?
Geminid
@hueyplong: I just like that incident for a discussion it generated on Twitter. Some wag snarked, “Well, at least I know I’ll be safe from nomads while I’m driving out on tbe steppes!”
“No. You will not be safe,” replied Nomadic Warriors for Pritzker, a parody site featuring a picture of Illinois Governor Jay Pritzger decked out in Mongol armor.
Their website sells sweatshirts and coffee cups with Pritzger-as-warlord themes. That section is titled, “Buy Merch or Be Destroyed.”
Tony Jay
@JWR:
Well, technically, he’s telling the truth, because after that Day One splurge he’d have all the power he needed to avenge himself against anyone and everyone who ever pissed him off.
‘Close The Border’ in the sense MAGAworld mean it would require granting wide-ranging extra-constitutional powers to deny anyone they like exit from or entry to the USA, which would include powers of search and seizure, powers to backtrack actual or potential violations of border security down the line to groups, organisations or individuals suspected of enabling, assisting or supporting efforts to ‘open the border’, powers to access private data records in pursuit of actual or potential border violations, as well as a massive increase in staffing for the bodies who would physically close the border, investigate actual or potential violations of border security and run the centres required to house border security violators.
‘Drill, Drill, Drill’ in the sense MAGAtworld mean it would require granting wide-ranging extra-constitutional powers to seize any land or property that the Government considers a potential site for drilling, the removal of a whole swathe of national and international laws and conventions covering energy production limits, the criminalisation of groups, organisations and individuals posing any kind of threat to US energy security, and a massive increase in staffing for the bodies who would actually run, monitor and enforce these new ‘Drill, Drill, Drill’ measures.
So, yeah. On Day Two a President Trump would wake up with a couple of national paramilitary militias and the right to arrest, investigate, detain, intern, impound, annex, confiscate, and requisition anyone, anything or anywhere he wants within the USA’s borders. Technically he wouldn’t need to claim dictatorial powers, he’d already have them. How. Very. Clever.
Narrator – They were not clever. They just thought they were.
Marmot
@Baud:
Yaka-taka-taka.
I’m kind of amazed at the cheerleading in that paragraph. I mean:
1) McCain lost.
2) You’re destroying the planet you idiots.
gene108
@Martin:
Could’ve built smaller simpler cars that people can actually afford.
They all seem to be in a race to build the largest most expensive and profitable vehicle possible without wondering how consumers can afford it.
They brought some of the trouble on themselves.
The Thin Black Duke
Tow truck drivers are going to make serious money towing Cybertrucks when the first big winter storm happens.
Kay
@HeartlandLiberal:
He has a really odd speech pattern. My husband says the pauses are for applause- he expects to be applauded after pronouncements- which is hysterical if true.
Ken
@gene108: Reminiscent of house construction in many areas, including mine, which consists largely of tearing down smaller “starter” homes to put up huge and hugely expensive McMansions.
JWR
@Baud:
@Matt McIrvin:
Yeah, I get the border stuff, especially considering the Repubs meltdown on Ukraine yesterday, and the drill baby drill stuff, who knows? But what really stood out for me was his kinda sorta pinkie swear to be a dictator for one day, and one day only, and on that, I don’t believe him for a second.
Timill
@gene108: Somebody is working on it…
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-25000-car-giga-texas-mexico-musk/
The Thin Black Duke
@Timill: The Cybertruck was going to be “only” 39K.
gene108
@Marmot:
Change is scary, in general. You never really know how everything plays out in the end.
Some people are flat out terrified of change and are convinced it will never work. Republicans seem to have this mindset regarding “drill, baby, drill” as the only way to have cheap fuel. The idea of renewables supplanting fossil fuels is “unproven”, in their minds, and therefore too scary to embrace.
Another Scott
@Martin: Transitions are chaotic.
Before the pandemic, there was a worldwide glut in auto manufacturing capacity. With most makers trying to convert to electric (Toyota is making money and going slow on the transition), there’s a glut there too that’s likely to get worse (especially in China).
I keep hoping that the US will drop the Chicken Tax (which puts a 25% duty on imported light trucks), but it’s probably the only thing that keeps the US auto industry alive (and enables the fat profits on light trucks). Light trucks are wasteful, unsafe, damaging, etc…, and too many drive them as commuter cars.
Years ago The Truth About Cars had a continuing series called GM Deathwatch. They were prescient. The industry needs to get its act together, and governments need to step up and provide better guardrails for more sensible investments and future production of things that don’t kill people and destroy the future…
Cheers,
Scott.
JWR
@Tony Jay: Or, what you wrote. That’s the part that bugs me.
Geminid
@Martin: Not sure what that $55,000 median price for EVs means. People don’t pay a median price, and if a lot of better-off people are adopting EVs more quickly than middle class people right now, that does not mean middle class folks won’t be buying the less expensive EVs in coming years as they replace their older vehicles. Or they’ll buy hybrids which will decrease CO2 emmissions too. improvement too.
And large fleet owners like Amazon and UPS aren’t letting costs deter them because they base tgeir decisions on life cycle costs and those for electric vans are lower. Same with school buses.
As for charger availability, that’s a solvable problem if there ever was one. Like most Infrastructure bill initiatives, the money for chargers is only now beginning to be spent, two years after the bill passed. And those funds are only part of the investments that are being made in this area by both public and private entities.
So I expect charging infrastructure and the requisite electrical grid capacity will expand to keep pace with EV adoption over the next 10 years. We are only beginning that process, and it’s a process where we will walk before we jog, and we will jog before we run.
Baud
@Marmot:
That article was before the 2008 election.
prostratedragon
NotMax@15: Some of those are amazing
-ly bad.
I’ve seen the Milwaukee Art Museum in person though, and think it’s fantastic; generally like Calatrava. A relative who has a boat likes to go out and look at it in the afternoon.
Ken
@Timill: The phrase “the manufacturing line will be unlike anything people have seen before” is not encouraging. It suggests Musk has had another of his “I am more brilliant than everyone who has ever looked at this problem” moments, which have generally ended up about as you might expect (or as outlined in this XKCD).
Pittsburgh Mike
Are the tires bullet-proof?
Tony Jay
@JWR:
It’s the Queen of Hearts strategy. Words mean what they need them to mean at the moment they need them to mean it.
“We want Border Security and Energy Security. The American People want Border Security and Energy Security. Border Security and Energy Security are good things. The fact that our opponents don’t want Border Security and Energy Security makes them unfit for power.”
Doesn’t mean for a second that they can’t turn around and claim that people voted for a whole phalanx of outrageous overreach when they voted for Border Security and Energy Security, because you can bet your arse that no one outside of the Democratic Party would get around to asking them what they specifically meant by those terms.
See ‘National Security’, ‘Election Security’, and ‘Christian Values’.
Ken
The confusion is understandable, since the press has used some version of “Republican tsunami” in every election for decades.
Gvg
@Martin: It costs money to change direction from what you have done before for generations. I think it’s going as well as can be expected when things are changing drastically. It’s a big deal that all the major car makers worldwide are trying and spending lots of money to try to go electric or be very different on energy usage. They are guessing what people are going to work, figuring out new technology, figuring out costs, figuring out how to get the charging structures in place long term and guessing which charging system will become the mostly universal standard. They also are trying to work with old partners like car dealerships that don’t want to lose money and power and ordinary workers who don’t want to lose jobs because there are winners and losers and the losers can make trouble still. It’s all still experimental and probably going to have several stages plus some mistakes. That’s just the way big changes work.
Remember that electrical current is delivered differently in most countries and appliance have to be done differently for different parts of the world? But cars just have right hand side of the road or left hand side. Car makers have got to be really concerned about how this works out right now. Global tensions and intractable politicians showing off their nationalism right now could cost us money for the next 100 years. But it may be too soon to see a universal standard ala vhs dvd to blue ray.
It’s a big step though for them to even get into the start spending money and experiment on a big scale stage. Previously they were too timid to start. They know that this stage will involve some big costly mistakes, but you can’t stay in the game if you don’t play. Once it started happening, they had to join in or just be replaced, so they jumped in big. Some of them are going to fail (history says) and die out, but it looks like some are going to make the transition, and that’s good.
Tesla is going to fail unless they dump their original CEO and get a 2nd CEO who knows what to do after the initial breakthrough. Lots of big idea famous companies have found that out. Doesn’t matter if Elron isn’t the source of the idea, he has shown he can’t run the company now. Do not know if the structure allows his removal, but that’s what has to happen or else.
Geminid
@The Thin Black Duke: Cybertrucks might not have secure towing points built into their frame. That’s legacy technology! They’ll have to be very carefully winched onto rollback trucks.
Denali5
@Another Scott:
Speaking of things that kill people, a few days ago a woman exiting her car in the Wegman’s parking lot was hit and died hours later by a pickup pulling into the space beside her. I am pretty sure it was one of the newer models with the outsize grill which blocks the driver’s view of anyone in its path, especially children. Where is our Safety Board on this issue?
Marmot
@gene108: I think that phenomenon is more focused still—conservatives especially fight change that might upset the traditional social order, and right now oil companies are one of the groups on top.
Deep down they often think society itself will fall apart if you change things.
Edit: Anyway, it doesn’t explain that article’s weird cheerleading. But we’ve drifted away from that. Is it an editorial?
OzarkHillbilly
I’m gonna have to disagree with you here. I think it’s because it’s the way their fossil fuel overlords make money. Just think of all the infrastructure they’ve built in support of their monetary quest. If electric takes over, that’s money down a black hole.
Kay
They’re walking more than this claim back – they’re walking a lot of the claims of the last few years back.
A lot of the false infoprmation seems to be based on one “expert”
The “expert” is of course a lobbyist and he’s lobbying for draconian new shoplifting laws with ridiculous incarceration term lengths and (of course!) still more funding for law enforcement on top of the massive funding they already get.
I’m sure glad Congress didn’t pass a law based on this guy’s bullshit. The “security” industry seems to be chock full of grifters and frauds.
gene108
@Geminid:
I’ll believe it’s solvable, when it’s solved. For those of us not in single family homes with driveways, charging options are extremely limited. I’m not referring to long distance travel, I am referring to keeping the battery charged to get about town.
Even paying a subscription to use a local rapid charging station, the charge times still take time and sitting in your car for at least 30 minutes waiting for it to charge is suboptimal.
Kay
Part of the 2015 crime wave, I guess.
Marmot
@Baud: I know—I thought maybe it was an editorial. But after closing several pop-ups, it turns out to be doom porn from the distant past!
Dorothy A. Winsor
NHTSA (part of the Dept of Transportation) enforces safety regulations in motor vehicles, be they cars or trucks. So Mayor Pete gets to take care of this.
Kay
I just feel like that name alone should give members of Congress pause, in terms of self interest and reliability of the information. Let me guess… they’re lobbyists paid by police and retailers and they want draconian new criminal laws and more funding for police? Now there’s a shocker.
NotMax
@OzarkHillbilly
FYI.
ExxonMobil is a lithium company now.
Baud
@Kay:
I wonder how Republicans gravitated to a liar like Trump.
Kay
This is a great lawsuit. Anti abortion laws aren’t foundering on people wanting early elective abortions- they’re foundering on “health of the mother” – pregnant women are being denied medical care.
50 years of anti abortion activists, billions of dollars hiring lawyers and contributing to campaigns and not one of them considered that abortion bans would immediately and profoundly impact health care for complications and issues in pregnancy. They simply didn’t consider womens health at all.
40 million women of child bearing age – that’s a lot of potential issues with pregnant women and health care. Just the miscarriages alone is huge.
They cannot write a statute that covers this whole segment of medical care. It would have to be thousands of pages long. It would be essentially a set of medical textbooks.
Health of the mother is the whole ballgame. It dooms the whole movement.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Kay: Basically, they thought only sluts had abortions.
Scout211
Open thread? It’s official, my pick off the short list was the winner!
Time Magazine person of the year is Taylor Swift
Chief Oshkosh
@Baud: I guess it’s all part of what I’ve been hearing from the fucking rightwing loonies I have to deal with. Somehow Obama, Biden, and the Demonrats have prevented the US from being energy independent. We took their coal away from them and we won’t let them drill in Yosemite and we made them stand in the corner with their noses pressed against the wall and China’s going to get it all and, and, and…!
Or something.
Geminid
@gene108: Yes, access to chargers will take a while to become widespread. Eventually, new parking lots for apartment and condominium parking lots will be required to have charging stations. That might not happen for a few years, so between now and then you might have to buy a hybrid when you replace your vehicle.
Or, maybe the next Congress will pass an Infrastructure 2.0 bill that will subsidize retro-fitting existing parking lots, and you’ll be able to buy an EV by 2028.
But right now, if EV adoption and charging infrastructue increased too fast we would strain electrical grid capacity. That needs to be built up too. This will be a different story in 2030.
Scout211
I posted that in the late night thread. Her lawsuit will be closely watched and (I hope) get a great deal of attention. I hope we get a ruling quickly because the state will likely appeal. What a nightmare for her and her spouse, though.
gene108
@Kay:
For some them, I believe they feel a mother dying during childbirth to bring an “unborn baby” to born baby status is a mark of honor, which they will reverently “honor”.*
* Also, use dead mother as a tool for propaganda to other anti-abortion zealots.
H.E.Wolf
@gene108: [re: EV charger availability]
These are good points, and I’ve had a front-row seat recently to local response on that front – a dual-port EV charging station, situated next to the local supermarket.
The two parking spots have a time-limit, to discourage “charge hogs”; and the location is presumably to make it convenient for an EV driver to plug in and then go grocery shopping during the wait time.
There’s a similar charging station at the medical clinic near our house – another place where a driver might plug in and then do something other than wait in the car during the charging interval.
These look to me like small steps in a helpful direction. We shall see….
OzarkHillbilly
@NotMax: I was just thinking that what the oil companies need to do “expand their portfolio” and get in on the future now. T. Boone Pickens did.
I have to note that mining for lithium is another extraction industry. They need to free up their imaginations.
SiubhanDuinne
Open thread? Norman Lear has died, aged 101. His shows gave a lot of pleasure back in the day. RIP.
Matt McIrvin
@Marmot: It wasn’t doom porn for the author, who clearly wanted a Republican tsunami to sweep McCain into office.
Citizen Alan
@Marmot:
Well yeah. That’s why I say they’re a death cult.
Marmot
@Matt McIrvin: Well this thread is dead, but what the heck. What I mean is, “Worry, Dems! Worry!” is an older gimmick for generating clicks than I realized.
And like you imply, it’s definitely not shy about it!
RSA
It’s still remarkable that theft reduces inventory by more than a third. That’s a huge overhead cost.
Holofcener
Elon Musk thanks you for continuing to link to and drive traffic to Xitter!
James
Although I agree about the looks of the cyber truck there is some pretty impressive technology underlying it. Will it be a success, perhaps, but the new technology will make it’s way to the rest of Tesla’s products.
If you have time watch this episode of the Carmudgeon Show. The host went into it preparing to dislike it, and came away impressed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjIPEtegPt4&list=FLFYiD_ZBR9kLVQvUIYqTXyg&index=18&t=17s
Tony Jay
@Holofcener:
Does he? Why? I don’t think many Jackals are Nazis, so what’s the benefit? Since you know him, why don’t you ask? Let everyone know at the end of another dead thread.
oklahomo
Yuck. Lucks like the unlucky love child of a ’78 Cylon Centurian and Herbie the Love Bug.
Ruckus
@gene108:
They are not called conservatives for no reason. They want to conserve a world that they think should have existed 50 yrs ago but while 50 yrs ago the world was a different place and for many far worse it wasn’t the world they really want. They want a world where they are in charge and all this newfangled gobilety gook is not allowed. Of course if the world rotated backwards 50 yrs and they actually had to live in that world they would figure out in about 5 minutes that they really, really did not want to go back. Ask me how I know….. I was an adult back then, as a number of us actually were and it was not better in any way. No way, no how.
dirge
Incorrect. Theft accounts for 36% of shrinkage, not inventory. That is, of inventory lost to all causes (spoilage, damage, delivery errors, etc.), theft accounts for a bit more than a third.
dirge
Was looking for numbers on typical retail shrinkage, and found this helpful CNBC article:
So losses to shoplifting typically work out to something like 0.5% of sales, same as always. Enough to warrant effort to reduce, but not enough to justify the massive freak out we’ve seen over the past couple years.
Dan B
@gene108: We saw a parking strip charger in an inner city neighborhood a couple days ago. It was about 2 feet tall. A Tesla and another EV were charging.
Chargers can be installed at every streetlight. There’s power and mostly what’s needed is a mast, a plug, and some chips and software to charge for the power. It’s not happening yet because we still need lots of fast chargers in rural areas.
Martin
@Marmot: Irvine, CA. And that’s showing up in Houston, Tempe, Charlotte, etc. I think people just don’t see it yet.
Martin
It means half of all EVs that are being bought cost more than $55K. So yes, people are paying that.
Geminid
@Martin: I know what median means and the rest of my comment shows that.. I meant, I wasn’t sure what that medium price means for the argument you presented. I could have been more precise but I think that in the context what I was saying was obvious and I bet you understood it, too.
But I guess if you can’t speak to an argument, you can always play petty games of one-upsmanship to deflect it.
Glidwrith
@Dorothy A. Winsor: The knee jerk response from my father and brother, first words out of their mouths: what if she’s a slut?