Invasive Midwestern Python Rick Scott, former Florida governor and current U.S. senator, has an A+ rating from the forced-birth extremists at SBA Pro-Life America. But he’s the latest craven GOP worm to trample pwecious “unborn babies” in a walk-back to protect his political career. Let’s review the tape:
Here’s what Scott said in a June 2022 press release when news of the Dobbs decision broke:
“I firmly believe that life begins at conception and that every child deserves to be welcomed into this world with open and loving arms. Abortion ends a life. It is abhorrent and has no place in our society. While we celebrate the Court’s latest ruling, the fight to protect the sanctity of life is not over.”
And here’s what Scott said in an April 2023 tweet when a statehouse Dem suggested “even conservative Senator Rick Scott” was against the bill* that would ban abortion at six weeks in Florida:
Not true. I am 100% pro-life and if I was still governor, I would sign this bill.
But he changed his tune yesterday:
“[I]n Florida there’s way more consensus around 15 weeks with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. So if I was writing a bill, I’d think that 15 weeks with the limitations (for rape, incest and to protect the life of the mother) is where the state’s at,” he told The Hill in an interview. “I think it’s important we do what there’s consensus” for.
Scott was my governor for eight interminable years and has been my senator for yet another five and change, so trust me when I say he gives not one tiny shit about building consensus. No one is clamoring to “sunset” Social Security and Medicare, for example.
Navy Hat Nosferatu is just the latest “pro-life” absolutist Republican who, upon further reflection, has decided that life begins at whatever stage of fetal development is compatible with his own political viability. I honestly have more respect for the extremists who are sticking to their principles in post-Roe America. And to be clear, I have nothing but contempt for those fanatical pricks.
Open thread.
*The bill will become law in about two weeks, meaning every woman living in the former Confederacy (with the exception of Virginia) will be robbed of bodily autonomy, reproductive freedom and access to standard medical care for miscarriages. Something like 1 in 3 American women are living without reproductive freedom now, and that will rise when the third-most populous state joins Team “Control Them Bitches.”
Dorothy A. Winsor
Open thread?
The Trump trial has resumed for the afternoon.
Skippy-san
It surprises me not one bit that Rick Scott was a Blue Falcon during his time in the Navy.
I’m surprised he did not receive some “fan room counseling” from one of his CPO’s.
randy khan
These guys still don’t get that the 15-week “compromise” doesn’t really get them any votes.
Good.
Jeffro
“Life begins…just before my poll numbers take a nose dive” is quite the principled stance.
(I didn’t say it was a good principle.)
cain
lol – Navy Hat nosferatu.
Wait till the south decides to do some comparative shit between themselves to make sure they catch runaway pregnant women looking for abortions and send them back or maybe each state will add their own sentences on top of each other.
That’s the kind of shit they’d be up to.
Baud
“But I support murdering that life for political gain.”
ETA: In fairness, it’s consistent with the GOP’s views when it comes to the health and safety of post-birth individuals.
ETA2: In further fairness, he didn’t say when he thought human life began.
Baud
Keep bringing the receipts.
Scott
“So, Senator, you believe that a child conceived by rape or incest has a less of a right to live?”
Baud
Via reddit
Jeffro
@Scott: “well, it depends on whether or not the mother wants to keep the ch…er…um…never mind”
cain
@Baud: Today we celebrate the South losing to the war. Reflect on that asshole.
Bex
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Way off topic, but have you seen this? Happens everyday in Schaumberg. https://youtu,be/UXCqzITROco
rikyrah
No. We gotta hold Voldemort responsible for his positions. We all know he’s a liar, and it’s up to the Florida Democratic Party, along with those pushing the Abortion Rights Amendment in Florida, to make sure that Voldemort is called out.
Belafon
I saw the story about the man killing the Uber driver was displayed far back, and while this is in no way excusing his actions – he should have called the cops sooner – the story is depressing.
Someone got a uber driver killed and they’ll just move on to the next 81 year old to scam.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-man-81-charged-fatal-shooting-uber-driver-mistakenly-thought-was-rcna147827
JaneE
Any arbitrary number will wind up harming some number of women. The lower the number, the greater likelihood of harm.
Let the woman, her family (however that is determined), and her doctor(s) decide what is the appropriate treatment for her particular and possibly unique issues. No one is going to prevent a woman from trying to carry a baby to term, even if it may harm her. Her doctors will do what they can to make that happen with the least harm. If she decides to abort that should be her right too.
Baud
@cain:
What’s weird about Confederate heritage is that there isn’t any? There’s Southern heritage, which depending on the person practicing it may or may not include black people. There Civil War memorials. But the 4-year existence of the Confederacy left no independent heritage, any more than the 4-year existence of the Union Army did.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Who’s running against him anyway?
prostratedragon
Heard at a Manhattan voir dire:
Baud
@Baud: Found it. Except for Alan Grayson, I don’t know who these people are.
The following candidates are running in the Democratic primary for U.S. Senate Florida on August 20, 2024.
Candidate
Matt Boswell
Stanley Campbell
Alan Grayson
Rod Joseph
Bernard Korn
Josue Larose
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell
Chase Anderson Romagnano
Brian Rush
Matthew Sanscrainte
Starfish
@Baud: In the South, you don’t have the right to mass protest the Confederacy.
Kay
Perfect.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Bex: The link didn’t work for me.
MattF
Polling is revealing that those dogs caught that truck and that truck is now backing into that dumpster fire. While being run over by that bus.
SiubhanDuinne
Apparently, Defendant #1 and his lawyers have been admonished b/c TIFG was audibly muttering at one of the prospective jurors. Per MSNBC. Nothing in the print media yet AFAICT, so no link.
SiubhanDuinne
@Bex:
I think your link is broken.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
Maybe he was talking in his sleep.
Starfish
@Dorothy A. Winsor: It was the cute story of a dog and her mailman, but the URL had a comma instead of a period. Hopefully, this one works.
https://youtu.be/UXCqzITROco
Geminid
@Baud: Debbie Mucarsel-Powell is a former U.S. Representive. She flipped Republican Carlos Curbelo’s Dade County seat in the 2018 Blue Wave, then lost it in 2020. Mucarsel-Powell was born in Peru and immigrated to the U.S. when she was 11 years old.
Baud
@Geminid:
Thanks! Seems like a good background.
frog
The current medical outlook is that life ends with brain death. No more brain, no more life. So how does the soul enter a body before a brain has developed?
For some women, pregnancy is a fatal condition. Weak heart, ectopic pregnancy, etc. No chance of survival and this is known well in advance. It is not an accident or act of God, like a lightning strike. God has not shown us how to save everyone. Anti-abortionists want the power to pick winners and losers. Some get to live, and the rest … well is sucks to be them.
Get back to me when you, GOP, are willing to raise taxes and spend government money to make sure each “saved” child can live a productive and fulfilling life.
cain
@Baud: Just a general hate for the people who caused the War of Northern Aggression I guess. They can’t admit or won’t that the entire premise was so they can keep the culture around slavery and have slavery. Sipping lemonade while cotton is being picked.
H.E.Wolf
Here’s some information about the pro-choice woman in the race.
https://www.debbieforflorida.com
I’ve been following her career with interest for some time, and I was pleased to see that her campaign website is mincing no words on the issues.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell was a decent Congressperson, I think. Every now and then she shows up on MSNBC, although I don’t believe she’s part of their usual stable of political pundits. Can’t remember what her area of expertise is.
ETA: Aaaand … H. E. Wolf provided the answer @31. Of course, DMP has been on to talk about draconian abortion policies.
cain
Why does Rick Scott look like emaciated day walking vampire? Or a lich?
Josie
@SiubhanDuinne:
The description I read said that, after spoken to by his attorney, Trump looked furious. This is only the second day. We should have a pool guessing how many days it will take to produce a meltdown. My guess is seven.
SiubhanDuinne
@Josie:
I love it when TIFG gets all grrrmad! I think it might be a little longer — Imma say 11.
Bill Arnold
Open thread, and Rick Scott isn’t human IMO either:
Just the image. Direct link to image on twitter.
So. Many. Clues. :-)
eclare
@Josie:
In one of the civil trials, the judge mused that TIFG was acting like he wanted to be jailed (paraphrasing.) TIFG said yes, he did.
He may have that as a strategy to solidify support even more.
Betty Cracker
@Baud: He even writes like a semi-sentient canned ham!
lowtechcyclist
@Baud:
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell won a seat in Congress from Florida in 2018, but was defeated for re-election in 2020, and that’s all I know about her, but at least I’ve heard of her.
Other than her and Alan Grayson, who IMHO would be a very bad choice of candidate, the names on the list are unfamiliar to me
ETA: H.E. Wolf was there faster and better.
Baud
@Bill Arnold:
It’s like those games you used to play in Highlights.
MattF
@Bill Arnold: So many fingers!
Geminid
@cain: Scott has a special low carb, low fat diet: steamed fish, scrambled egg whites etc. He’s the type of “lean and hungry man” Julius Caesar worried about.
WaterGirl
@frog: I manually approved your first comment, now your future comments will show up for everyone right away.
Welcome to commenting!
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
In fairness, I think that article says he copied this from one an old Dem governor did in the early naughts.
Jay
@Belafon:
Mr. Block clearly believed he had the right to shoot an N-Clang in a parked car outside his house.
Anybody who wasn’t an irrational gun humping racist would have,
a) called the Police to report the scam,
b) called the Police to report the car, noting is was probably linked to the scam,
and any non-racist, non Blue Lives Are The Only Ones That Matter, Police officer would have solved the double scam in mere minutes, with no lives lost.
Baud
@frog:
I really thought you were going to make a statement about Republicans there.
lowtechcyclist
@Josie:
Are we talking calendar days, or days that court’s in session? And will the next court day be Day 1 or Day 3?
I’ll go with the fourth court day after today, whatever numeration we give it.
Bex
@Starfish: Thanks for correcting that. It’s the story of FranDan, ie. Frannie Joy the dog and postman Dan. There are lots of these posts on You Tube and Instagram. I watch them after I watch the news so I don’t have to stick my head in the oven.
SiubhanDuinne
@Bill Arnold:
So many fingers on that one kid’s hand.
So few fingers on Daddy’s.
Geminid
@H.E.Wolf: There was an article about Debbie Mucarsel-Powell a few months ago on the news site The 19th. It included a short interview where she pointed out that in three state-wide races, Scott has never won by more than one percentage point and never run in a Presidential year.
Josie
@lowtechcyclist: It should probably be court days.
ETA: And the next court day would be number three. How does that sound?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Starfish: That is so cute! Dogs are good people.
Belafon
@Jay: Like this person, right: https://www.thecut.com/article/amazon-scam-call-ftc-arrest-warrants.html
I am not going to defend him pulling out a gun, but there’s a scammer out there that needs to be charged with murder.
Belafon
@Jay: The phone number, btw, was tied to a burner phone with a phone number listed in Canada.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Bex: LOL. They do brighten up the day.
Suzanne
Yeah, sing that shit.
As I noted downstairs, the ring wing doesn’t really believe in anything except will-to-power shit for their own personal aggrandizement, the most popular manifestation of which is currently “Own the Libz”.
And not a single actual principle or value was witnessed that day!
H.E.Wolf
Gleaned from Ballotpedia, here’s everyone other than Mucarsel-Powell (GO DEBBIE!) on the Democratic primary list:
Matt Boswell. African-American. B.A. 2013 from Berkeley College in NY. No campaign website; the Personal Facebook page he lists is a dead link. No-hoper.
Stanley Campbell. African-American. Probably in early 60s. Married 35 years, 3 adult sons. No elected experience.
Alan Grayson. The loosest of loose cannons. Former legislator. Someone else can post his details; I’m giving him no airtime.
Rod Joseph. African-American. Army vet. No elected experience. Will take “drastic measures” to restore US rep in international arena. Presumably that means he’s a war hawk?
Bernard Korn. No photo, no website. No-hoper.
Josue Larue. No photo; no campaign website (lists personal social media instead); no-hoper. Ran twice previously as a Republican: once for US House in Louisiana; once for President in 2016. Not clear to me why he filed as a Democrat.
Chase Anderson “Andy” Romagnano. No campaign website; lists only personal social media sites. Anti-choice Republican white male. Looks arrogant in his LinkedIn headshot.
Brian Rush. White late-middle-aged male. Former state legislator.
Matthew Sanscrainte. Born in Bulgaria. Campaign website is a dead link and I don’t care about his 5 social media sites, so I’m calling him a no-hoper.
Raven
Where is Alison Rose?
NotMax
@Baud
Fairly screams “written by AI.”
japa21
@Bill Arnold:
I counted 13 in just a few seconds.
H.E.Wolf
@Geminid:
Thanks to everyone who praised me, but Geminid got there FIRST with the deets on Mucarsel-Powell!
Baud
@Raven:
She has been missing for a long while.
Baud
@H.E.Wolf:
Sounds like Florida Dems have an easy choice.
Bill Arnold
@MattF:
TBH the first thing my eyes noticed was the odd “American Flag” on the big guy’s arms.
japa21
@lowtechcyclist: She shows up asking for money on FB from time to time. She promotes a poll showing her beating Scott by 3-4 points. That’s all I know about her.
rikyrah
@Starfish:
Is this about Frannie and Postman Dan?
I follow them on TikTok.
They are in the Chicagoland area.
NotMax
She shows up in the Ukraine threads, people have said.
Speaking of absences, whatever became of Immanentize?
eclare
@Starfish:
I love those videos of Frannie and Postman Dan, pure joy on both their part.
Baud
@NotMax:
Also missing. Apparently on Twitter.
rikyrah
@NotMax:
I don’t think anything bad happened. Just that he took a break. Last I asked, Little Imma was doing well also.
NotMax
Darn. Fix.
@Baud
She shows up in the Ukraine threads, people have said.
Speaking of absences, whatever became of Immanentize?
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: The Union army is the US Army. There are regiments today that carry battle honors from that war.
H.E.Wolf
Well, I hope so. :) I can’t vote there since I don’t live there, so I’m writing postcards to remind FL Democrats to sign up for Vote By Mail. Current batch are in a remote county which evidently has Democrats in residence.
https://balloon-juice.com/postcard-writing-in-early-2024/
prostratedragon
@SiubhanDuinne:
It was in connection with a challenge for cause:
Thread begins here. This juror was called back to the stand for clarifying questions, after which TFG went to muttering as she left the room. Judge Merchan DENIED the challenge and cautioned TFG.
smith
Kind of amazed — they already have six acceptable jurors for TFG’s trial. That’s a third of what they need, including alternates. It’s going a lot faster than I expected.
geg6
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
From what I’ve read, looks like they are not going to get many strikes on jurors based on social media unless it’s egregiously anti-Trump. Only one dismissed on that basis that I’ve seen so far. Other ones they tried to strike for cause due to social media were not. One was on the basis of her husband’s social media and another was a picture of the celebrations after Cheetolini lost and she commented that it reminded her of the celebrations of first-line medical staff during COVID. Just ridiculous.
Betty Cracker
@smith: Is that after legal teams have had an opportunity to strike?
Harrison Wesley
Scott will always be resentful that Bill Skarsgard beat him out for the role in the remake.
smith
@Betty Cracker: Yes, they’ve been striking with abandon, though not all the challenges for cause have been accepted by the judge. The six survivors have aready been sworn in.
raven
@NotMax: I emailed him, I’ll let you know if I hear back.
smith
Another little dollop of schadenfreude: DJT stock price closed at another 14% lower today.
SiubhanDuinne
@prostratedragon:
Thanks very much for that informative thread. I do wish this were being televised.
SiubhanDuinne
@smith:
Awwwwwwwwww 🎻
Bex
@rikyrah: Yes it’s about Frannie and Dan, aka FranDan.
HumboldtBlue
@Baud:
Fucking slave trading traitors.
cain
@eclare: he knows that he isn’t able to take his phone with him, right?
WaterGirl
@Josie:
Agree. Let’s go with that!
Fake Irishman
@Baud:
She does. And she’s raising enough money to take a serious run at Rick Scott.
WV Blondie
@SiubhanDuinne: I’m glad it’s not being televised – I’d never get any of my paying work done until it was over!
Baud
@WV Blondie:
The adjudication will not be televised!
Ruckus
@Skippy-san:
Most of those really, really needing fan room counseling when I was in were far more afraid of swimming lessons. You know, the see if you can swim 400-500 miles or tread water for a couple of weeks. In the North Atlantic – in winter…..
geg6
@Baud:
I think she did a drive by on one of the evening/night threads last night.
raven
@Skippy-san: Blanket party
Jay
@Belafon:
I get 15-20 scam calls a week and the same number of texts.
The closest we have ever come to “falling for” a scam, was a text message from our Bank, claiming that there was possibly fraudulent activity on our Line of Credit. They included the first 6 digits of our account number.
T thought it might be real. I pointed out:
A) The Bank would not text us if there was an issue with our account. They would not link to a “website”, they would phone. Our Bank’s phone numbers are in our cell phone contacts, so they show up as our Bank’s Branch.
B) The 6 digits were the Bank identifier, Bank and Location,
C) We don’t have a Line of Credit with that Bank.
99% of these scams, are random (auto dialed calls or texts) from a spoofed number. They know nothing about whom they are calling, unless the suckers engage and provide them that information.
Did you know as an Offshore Resident I owe $$$$$ to the Chinese Revenue Agency for unpaid taxes? All of my grandkids have needed bail money? My (not my Bank) account has been hacked? That T has been kidnapped twice? Etc.
If you engage, they send someone to either pick up the money that you told them you have at home, (often a fake “Officer”), or if you don’t have the money, a taxi, Uber/Lyft or fake Uber/Lyft to take you to your bank and get the money. Or they use a Electronic Transfer.
If you call the Police, they will tell you not to engage. Simple as that.
They do not want to deal with the dangers to the Public that would result from turning a scam call, into a “sting” operation, like an Uber driver getting shot.
In 1% of the “fake kidnapping” calls, they convince the “kidnapped”, (usually a Foreign Student) that they are the Police/CIA/FBI and that their lives are in danger. They convince the “kidnapped” to go “off grid” for X amount of time, then make the ransom call to the relatives. While the “kidnapped” is living in the woods or a cash only motel, with their phone turned off.
If you get a scam call, do not engage, just report it to the Police on the non-emergency line. If you think the call is “real”, report it to the Police, and do not use the websites the scammer tell you too, look up the real phone numbers for your Bank/IRS/Jail/Police Station/Etc.
99.9% of these scammers will never be caught and punished, because they are calling from Nigeria/Myanmar/Serbia/Montenegro/ruZZia and the person making the call is usually somebody working in a “Call Center” who has been human trafficked for their language and computer skills, and is held in brutal slavery.
Bex
@Raven: She had some disagreements with people on a thread (not sure but it may have been on Adam’s posts) and decided to stop commenting. Water Girl has been in touch with her.
Mike in NC
At least they’re up front about that.
H.E.Wolf
@SiubhanDuinne:
Off-topic item that you might enjoy: someone wrote about Senator Ossoff (a.k.a., per the writer, Senator My Boo) questioning Postmaster General DeJoy.
https://nitter.poast.org/QondiNtini/status/1780278152373117213#m
(As I recall, Sen. Warnock is Senator My Bae.)
raven
@Bex: Ah, I just hope she’s doing ok. Thx.
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
Hot damn, that is some beautiful writing. I cannot tell you how much I enjoy, appreciate, respect this! I bow before the sharpness of your rhetorical flair.
Fetal viability vs political viability.
For Scott, political viability begins at deception.
Gretchen
One thing we’ve learned is that exceptions don’t work, especially life of the mother. How much danger is enough? 10% chance of death? Or does doc have to be certain of impending death before acting, which is probably too late. One doc here was asked to do an abortion because patient was in danger of kidney failure. But that wouldn’t kill her – dialysis exists. But it would certainly damage her health and shorten her life. Hospital lawyers arranged a 3 way call with guy who wrote the law and explained situation. His response? Do whatever you think is best, doc. Exactly. These guys think doctors make up excuses to do extra abortions for the fun of it. I trust doctors, not the car dealers and insurance salesmen in the state legislature.
Jay
@Belafon:
There is cheap software out there that can make any incoming call, (spoofing) look real, but that’s not the number they are calling from. It’s basically like using a VPN to get around Netflix regional blocking, to watch shows “not available” in your area.
As for a “burner phone”, you don’t need one for spoofing. With the higher end spoofing software, you can make your computer act as a phone, and route a single phone call through up to 128 “phone numbers” all across the globe.
prostratedragon
@Jay: “person making the call is usually somebody working in a “Call Center” who has been human trafficked for their language and computer skills, and is held in brutal slavery.”
Ewww, never thought of that aspect, though I did assume that the callers themselves were just folks desperate for a job.
Sister Golden Bear
Trump trial update, they’ve seated the first six jurors including the foreperson.
Also the judge read Trump riot act for speaking lowly towards a juror during their questioning. Judge said he wouldn’t tolerate attempts to intimidate jurors — so expect threatening tweets after court is done for the day.
lowtechcyclist
@Josie: Works for me, so my bet’s on the sixth court day.
Martin
@Starfish: That’s been true for 160 years. Sherman did it anyway.
Jeffro
My previous guess was Thursday, I think? (so, Day Four?)
Stroke out, you orange moron! Do the country one. single. favor.
RedDirtGirl
@Bex: Watergirl explained that it had to do with a blog policy of unbanning commenters after a year or so. She didn’t agree with it. She may still be lurking, but not commenting other than on Adam’s posts.
Scout211
OAN and Smartmatic settle the 2020 Defamation case.
Darn! These confidential settlements are so unsatisfying.
smith
Alina Habba is pretending to be smart again.
Apparently it didn’t occur to her that the Manhattan DA has limited opportunities for venue shopping. Especially for a crime committed in (checks notes) Manhattan.
Baud
@smith:
“Why do we need a New York anyway?”
Gretchen
@cain: there was some talk in Missouri about prosecuting women who leave the state for an abortion. Problem is, the Kansas City PP is on the Kansas side of the state line, and the St. Louis PP is in Illinois. Thousands of women from each metro area cross the state line for work every day. They can’t figure out how to police those lunch hour gyn appointments.
Old School
@RedDirtGirl:
Even then she’s not commenting much lately. The last one I see from her is on March 26th.
Alison is still active on Good Reads though, so she’s busy reading books.
Martin
@prostratedragon: Yeah, I was wondering if this was going to happen.
Lots of people can dislike the guy and still be impartial. Lots of us are actually trained to do that and have experience doing that. If the standard is the juror has no opinion of Trump, well, good fucking luck with that. Glad the judge denied the challenge.
Jay
@Jay:
And while I was writing that, I got another scam call.
Martin
@Gretchen: Build a wall!
Harrison Wesley
So the Republican Party supports fecal personhood, or am I misunderstanding something?
Jinchi
@randy khan: The 15-week compromise was a misdirection meant to trick people who supported abortion rights into believing Republicans now favored a nationwide law guaranteeing abortion rights until the 15th week, but was actually intended as a 15-week maximum, with no lower limit.
After Dobbs, everyone can see through it.
Citizen Alan
@Baud:
They never do. Because if they had to argue that a clump of cells that looks like a tadpole and would fit in the palm of your hand was morally equivalent to a living breathing human being, no one would take their position seriously for a second, let alone put up with them calling people “baby-killers.” Cows, pigs, and chickens are “alive,” and we slaughter them by the million every day. And no one gives a shit. Because they aren’t PEOPLE. At this point, I believe that actual personhood begins at birth with the first breath and not one second earlier. (“Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.” Geness 2:7) If a woman miscarries, it may be sad that she lost what would have been a child, but I do not consider to be a tragedy on the same scale as a woman who gave birth and then saw the child die a year or two later. I just don’t.
And I will tell people to their faces: If you seriously believe that a frozen fertilized embryo in a test tube that has never been inside a woman’s body after implantation is morally the equivalent to a toddler, you are a FREAK!
rikyrah
@Gretchen:
Once again, I wish some Democrat would just challenge one of these MSM clowns. Tell them to find 25 times where the ‘exceptions’ were allowed in all those Red States with bans.
not 2500
or 250
just 25 times
where the exception was allowed.
As Jessica Valenti says…
THE EXCEPTIONS DON’T EXIST.
PERIOD.
rikyrah
@randy khan:
The ‘compromise’ was pushed forth, and wished for by the MSM, because they want a BOTH SIDES to the issue.
As is, they’re doing everything they can to avoid talking about abortion, because they can’t BOTH SIDES it.
Dan B
@H.E.Wolf: Sen. Swoon, especially when he’s reading the riot act (or when he’s smiling – can’t it be both?).
Jay
@prostratedragon:
It’s part of the Civil War in Myanmar.
Areas near the Chinese border were filled with Casino’s, Brothels and Scam centers, run by Chinese Gangsters and protected by the Military, (for money of course).
These are ethnic majority areas who hate/hated both the Chinese influx and the Myanmar Military.
The Chinese Government got fed up, crossed the border in force, raided the Casino’s and Call (Scam) Centers freeing thousands of trafficked human slaves.
The Myanmar military ran away, leaving a void that the Ethnic Militia’s have filled and expanded.
Things have gotten so bad for the Myanmar Military that they are forcing Royhinga in the concentration camps that the Military had ethnically cleansed them to, to fight for the Regime at gunpoint.
catclub
This! And the main use case for the Tether cryptocurrency is…. paying ransoms.
smith
It seems that meme came up not just once, but twice today. I am assuming that the bubble TFG lives in protects him from the knowledge of how thoroughly hated and scorned he is in large parts of the country. Having to sit through this probably makes his tender little narcissistic psyche ache all over.
Eunicecycle
@smith: that’s why the guy will never make it through the trial without losing it either actually in court or outside of it.
catclub
@smith: haha.
If you don’t want to be tried in manhattan, don’t do the crime in manhattan.
Gretchen
@rikyrah: Yes! Show us exceptions that actually happened? Like they want rape and incest exceptions to require a police report! And they argue that the doc should have just done the abortion and fought prosecution later!.
Brachiator
@Gretchen:
Very well stated challenge. I reject “life of the mother exceptions” and simply assert that a woman has the right to control her body, and also the right to seek the best medical advice at all times. The state cannot set arbitrary medical rules or play at being a doctor.
One thing that is probably happening already in red states, and will intensify, is situations where the state encourages or directs that doctors lie to women or delay or withhold medical treatment in order to make sure that a pregnant woman gives birth.
And I already hear conservatives rejecting competent medical advice and insisting that women leave it up to God to decide whether a woman or an unborn child survive when there is a medical problem.
Gretchen
@rikyrah: we finally, finally saw pushback on the “abortion until and even after birth” nonsense. Once. They’ve been able to get away with spouting this nonsense absolutely consequence-free.
Gretchen
@Brachiator: there’s a movement to outlaw prenatal testing because, when faced with an unfavorable prenatal diagnosis like trisomy or ancephaly, many women choose abortion. If they don’t know, they can’t do that. Of course if prenatal diagnosis doesn’t happen, they also can’t prepare to properly treat a survivable problem after birth, so infant mortality will increase.
Baud
@Gretchen:
I can’t believe feckless Dems compromised on post-birth abortions. I had plans.
Gretchen
@frog: makes a good point, that life is considered to end with brain death, so why do forced birthers consider that life begins before there’s a functioning brain? I’d never considered that, but it makes sense.
TBone
@Baud: the Obama presidency lasted longer than the Confederacy.
prostratedragon
@smith: 😔
Baud
@TBone:
Yeah, why isn’t there an Obama Heritage Month?
TBone
@Baud: 😆 their heads would explode. Let’s announce it immediately.
Martin
@Baud: Actually I think all blue states have either banned or halted executions.
Citizen Alan
@Gretchen: That’s actually been my position for decades. If we treat the commencement of brain activity consistent with a living person to be evidence of fetal personhood, then, IIRC, it begins sometime around the 7th month. A point after which less than 1% of abortions take place and invariably due to life-threatening complications.
lowtechcyclist
@TBone:
They’d start demanding heritage months for Dump, GWB, and Ronald Raygun.
prostratedragon
@Martin: That juror was later moved through a preremptory from the defense. The wonderful thing, though, is that defense had a sheaf of social media printouts to try to use as they did here, but Merchan granting few challenges for that is causing them to use up their PCs rather quickly — 6 of 10 already gone. Less delay.
prostratedragon
@Harrison Wesley:
Support it?! They exemplify it!
Jay
@catclub:
One of the current scams here, (BC) is a text from BC.Gov, (fake site), that you have unpaid photo speeding tickets, that you pay off online through the fake BC.Gov site with an etransfer or crypto.
a). The BC Government doesn’t take crypto,
b) a BC Supreme Court ruling in 1995, banned the use of speed cameras. They did not allow one to confront your accuser in court, (Charter of Rights), regs required they be tested and calibrated every 3 months, (which they wern’t) and if they were found to be out of calibration, all 3 months of “speeding tickets” were supposed to be tossed, (they wern’t)
c) ICBC handles traffic fine payments, in person, cash, credit or debit.
prostratedragon
@Jay:
@catclub:
My, my. Ransom for the captives, or for other kidnapped people?
Jay
@prostratedragon:
Both.
The Casino/Brothel/Call Center workers are usually lured with a fake job offer in their field, then enslaved. If it turns out they have any family, with any money or income worth going after*, they are also held for ransom, which even if paid, never results in their release, just more threats and demands for ransom.
*easy enough to find out through torture, Linked In, etc.
Bill Arnold
@Citizen Alan:
There is considerable argument among scientists about when human consciousness starts, but certainly not before the 7th month. (My first memory is slightly less than age 2, and that’s younger than most humans.) (Also, no pain possible before week 23/24 (IIRC) because the sensory nerves are not connected to the forming brain until then.)
Also, heart/respiratory stoppage is used as another standard of death, and there is no actual beating heart pumping blood until the second trimester. There is a US standard:
Uniform Determination of Death Act (UDDA)
topclimber
@HumboldtBlue: So much of rich Confederate heritage was lost when the libtards insisted our military bases should NOT be named for traitors whose troops killed thousands of American soldiers and who often continued as leaders of the KKK.
“Go away, go away, go away Dixieland.”
Jeffro
@Citizen Alan: all of this (minus the Bible quote, but still!)
Odie Hugh Manatee
Conservative politicians make better windsocks than lawmakers but that is only because they are so limp from having no spines.
They would suck as a windsock though because they would always be indicating the wrong direction.
Starfish
@rikyrah: Yeah! I did not know about them.
Starfish
@Martin: 😂
Brachiator
@Gretchen:
Good points. It’s typical that these fanatics talk about “saving babies,” but are putting women and infants at more risk.
Sallycat
@Baud: Brian Rush is a long time republican consultant.
Jay
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
Yeah but we would still get to hang them,……….
Steeplejack
@NotMax:
Also MIA is TriassicSands. I think he(?) was having some health problems.
H.E.Wolf
You bet it can. :)
StringOnAStick
@Steeplejack: His last discussion of his health problems was quite serious.
Eduardo
@Geminid: Born in Ecuador, raised in South Florida
Geminid
@Eduardo: Ah, thank you for the correction. I was on the wrong side of the continent.
wjca
Well, historical treatment of bastards gives some precedent for answering that question with a Yes. (For those who prefer the past to current reality.)