I thought I would enjoy the Trump trial, but I’m not. I know it hasn’t even started, but I think what it is is that I AM JUST SO FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF HIM. This has gone on forever. Longer than Bush. Longer than Reagan. At this point, they were both winding down their 8-10 years in the spotlight after their campaigns and two respective terms.
But Trump just is never going to fucking go away. Ever. It’s maddening.
wjca
Hang in there. There’s currently a pool running on how many court days (not weeks, days) before he has a total meltdown. The kind that gets him tossed in the clink for contempt. (Although, depending on details, it might be the psych ward….) That should limit how much you have to hear about him.
citizen dave
Will never understand these last 10 years.
zhena gogolia
I am so totally with you. And I can’t face another Trump term. I don’t care about anything else in the world. I just want him GONE GONE GONE
japa21
@citizen dave:
Just work hard to make sure we don’t have to try to understand the next 4.
mrmoshpotato
I wasn’t looking to enjoy the trial(s). I just want the fucker buried under the prison already.
To hell with everyone who voted for this fascist, orange shitstain. (Not that he wouldn’t have spent the rest of his sad life whining that the 2016 election was stolen from him.)
Scout211
I am there, too. I thought the whole trial would feel like vindication or schadenfreude, but it just feels sickening to me. He just makes me sick and all his lawyers, minions and enablers do too.
I have to step away from the news several times a week now because it’s all about him, all the time.
I need to find a new supply of hopium because mine is running low these days.
ETA: clarity
Lacuna Synecdoche
John Cole @ Top:
This is how New Yorkers have felt about Trump for the past 5 decades.
I guess we’re all New Yorkers now.
Melancholy Jaques
@citizen dave:
Same here, only I don’t understand the last 25.
Sure Lurkalot
@wjca: There’s no way he will ever be jailed because of the logistics with the secret service protection afforded him. The best we could hope for is a house arrest with a monitor.
I’m with John…I am so sick of him dominating the news, there’s never a day that passes that he’s not the subject of something and it’s going on 9 fucking horrible years. I’m afraid the only way we’ll be rid of him is when he’s dead and with my luck, I’ll predecease the fucker.
Lapassionara
@Scout211: Ditto. I don’t know what I will do if he wins the next election.
Martin
@Lacuna Synecdoche: Yep. And NYers tried to warn everyone, and y’all just didn’t get it. ‘The guy from the apprentice? How bad can he be?’. He’s a relentless self-promoter. He inserts his ugly face and name into every goddamn thing in the world, all the time, even when you think you’ve found some refuge from it, he shows back up again. He’s the STD they tried to warn you about in school – once you get it, you’re stuck with this ugly oozing mass in your junk for the rest of your life, except he also yells constantly. Congrats, you all gave us hollering syphilis.
mrmoshpotato
@Martin:
LOL! Well said.
B1naryS3rf
And perhaps this, Mr. Cole, more than anything is the reason why he won’t be reelected. Pure fatigue, unconscious desire expressed at the ballot box. For only a sick individual could find Biden more enervating than Mango Mussolini. And I hope there are still fewer of those who will pull a lever.
Josie
@wjca: It’s a rather small pool at this time. So far the court days that are spoken for are 4, 6, 7, 11.
Lacuna Synecdoche
@Martin:
And the Award for 2024’s Most Accurate Description of Donald Trump In Five Words or Less goes to: Hollering Syphilis!
Yes, we did. Loudly, and vociferously, and over and over and over and over ad infinitum again.
Dangerman
This is full on the fault of the MF’s who wouldn’t convict him in Impeachment 2. Let the Courts handle it.
Mitch, kiss my ruby red ass. At least, feels ruby red. Long drive. Too tired to look.
It’s a butt ache. Nothing but a butt ache. Driving til my balls break. Feeling kinda dowwwwwwn
Albatrossity
That orange bag of pus will probably not make it through weeks of testimony by folks who know the truth about him. And just about everyone, in either party, would probably cheer for an infarction or stroke. We are all tired of him..
TBone
I am enjoying the shit out of this trial. Every day gets worse for him and better for me. He’ll not be able to time the drugs properly and will melt like Jordan Belfort at the payphone, or blast off for a rapid, unplanned disassembly. Either way, I win.
geg6
I hate that mother fucker so much I can hardly stand it. My life sucks massively right now and having to see and hear about him continuously does.not.help.
citizen dave
I couldn’t find a link on google (everything is about the Stones/musicians telling trump to stop playing their songs), but I am remembering the story (maybe in Keith’s autobio) of when the Stones played Taj Mahal in Jersey, and put in their contract that Trump could not/would not appear at their press conference, and made damn sure it was enforced.
Mary
I am totally with you, John. I’m sick sick sick of him too.
Melancholy Jaques
I am sick and tired of Trump and even more I’m sick and tired of Republican bullshit like refusing to provide aid to Ukraine, stupid baseless impeachment, constant debt ceiling games. And I am just stunned that more people are not sick of their bullshit.
TBone
@citizen dave:
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-the-rolling-stones-vs-donald-trump-yarn-atlantic-city-gig-20160315-story.html
mrmoshpotato
@Dangerman:
Hell, Dump deserved to be convicted at both trials.
mrmoshpotato
@citizen dave:
What decade was this?
ETA – question answered. Thanks TBone.
NotMax
Trials are not for serving out enjoyment. Trials are for serving out justice.
It’s Dolt 45 who wants it to be treated as a circus.
TBone
@mrmoshpotato: I saw Robert Cray at the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City way before he wrote this song. Can’t remember the decade for sure, but it musta been some time in the 90s. I still wonder if he ever got paid.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k03dsRUVbcQ
Mike in NC
For a while I really enjoyed walking into an airport news stand and not having to see his bloated, ugly, scowling mug looking up from a dozen newspapers and magazines. That’s all gone now that the trials have begun.
frosty
@mrmoshpotato: According to the LA Times article that TBone linked to in #23, it was a pay-per-view show in 1989.
ETA I answered this before I saw your ETA LOL
mrmoshpotato
@TBone: If you’d like to do some research, setlist.fm
wjca
As long as it includes no Internet access, I could live with that.
The up side of Federal prison is that it’s feasible to set up a cell on a military base somewhere, with provision for the Secret Service detail.
ArchTeryx
We’ll be rid of him when he’s fucking dead. A day which cannot come soon enough for this country.
I’m not normally quite this blasphemous and I don’t advocate for violence, but I have a special bottle I intend to pop when I get the news that Trump is an ex-human.
wjca
I’m tempted to take the over. But I’ll go for 10.
NotMax
@wjca
Emptied Minuteman silo?
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Jackie
@zhena gogolia:
True in 2020, and sadly, still true today.
Nelle
Maybe off topic. Maybe topic adjacent. New hair cutter today. Just the two of us there. I said, make sure it isn’t a Karen haircut. And we were off to the races, dissing Trump and Republicans. It was a magnificent hour. I was apprehensive because of some alopecia. She said, I’ll cut your hair like I would my sister’s. But not my sister-in-law’s. A kindred spirit. With scissors. She said, I’m a flaming liberal and she was. And is. In Iowa. I think the haircut is fine, but I’ve never cared less about the outcome. That was fun!
Jackie
@mrmoshpotato: Even more frustrating, is wondering if this trial – much less the future trials – hinge upon the Supremes’ decisions re Immunity and Intent.
Another Scott
@Sure Lurkalot: Nixon gave up Secret Service protection. AFAIK, it’s a courtesy, or at most a statute – a statute that obviously did not contemplate a president being convicted of a felony.
“Trump will die in prison.” – Some famous politico.
If he has smart lawyers (I know, I know) they will try to do a plea deal before he goes, but it’s likely to be too late by that time.
We’ll see.
Cheers,
Scott.
Brachiator
I have not been watching the news about the Trump trial. But it makes me happy knowing that he is so unhappy.
I can’t really see him getting thrown in jail for acting up, but who knows. Are there any reports that they are preparing a special cell for him, just in case? Security would be outrageous and his Secret Service staff would also have to be accommodated. This would not be a simple task.
Anyway, I’m glad that Trump’s unhappy. I know he likes to compare himself to Jesus. Let me know if he’s seen carrying a cross up 5th Avenue.
rikyrah
I understand, Cole.
Completely.😒😒😒
Jackie
@Sure Lurkalot:
I’m ok with this, as long as the perimeters include Bedminster during winter months, and MAL during summer months.
Another Scott
@Nelle: :-D
That’s a great story. Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
Almost Retired
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Martin
Ok, this is bullshit. And not surprising for USC.
USC cancelled the student valedictorian commencement speech citing security concerns. The valedictorian is muslim and likely would have made a speech that expressed some support for Gaza. But security is not an adequate excuse here.
The only reason I can think of why USC is turning a challenging PR situation into an even worse one is that they have donors who are unhappy here. People need to speak out – this is unacceptable.
Math Guy
@wjca: Gitmo!
Spanky
@Jackie: Howzabout the bottom of the ocean for all the months?
NotMax
What to say about this? How about “D.O.A.”
Denali5
@Lacuna Synecdoche: I vote yes!
Queen of Lurkers
@ArchTeryx: 100% agree.
Kay
NotMax
@Brachiator
There are existing secured holding cells in the courthouse building.
Frankensteinbeck
I walked by the TV and heard something amusing about the trial. Like the fucking toddler he is, Trump glared at a juror and muttered to himself. The judge told Trump’s lawyer that will be considered witness tampering and he’d better control his client. Yeah, like that will happen.
But what amused me was a long-time lawyer saying they had never, ever seen a defendant act out like that who wasn’t seriously mentally ill.
Denali5
@TBone: Thank you. My sentiments exactly.
NotMax
@NotMax
Addendum.
Should be no problem to rustle up a chair or two for the Secret Service be seated in the adjacent hallway.
Frankensteinbeck
@NotMax:
Ah, I see someone is copying the Elon Musk business strategy: “Lie to increase stock prices.”
wjca
Doesn’t really matter whether he has smart lawyers or not,
ifsince the client won’t agree to a deal. He will refuse to believe he could lose, right up until the verdict is read. (Wonder if he’ll claim election fraud in the jury room…?)Layer8Problem
I call bullshit on TFG being impossible to incarcerate, because the Secret Service would have a sad or some other useless excuse. Their charge is to guard him wherever he is, not to feel blue because his accommodations are so darned unpleasant. Find a federal prison with some open space, build a special facility; the money will be found. He gets to rot with limited teevee, phone, and texting privileges and no golf. All his friends inside get to be the rotating Secret Service detail. Even a regular facility or a Club Fed can have separate areas for “special needs” inmates, and the Secret Service detail as LEOs can get special access for their four or eight hour shifts. This is not impossible and saying it is just makes him as special as he thinks he is.
NotMax
@Frankensteinbeck
Juror intimidation, not witness tampering. A potential or actual juror is not subject to being called to testify as a witness.
/pedant
Wapiti
@wjca: The up side of Federal prison is that it’s feasible to set up a cell on a military base somewhere, with provision for the Secret Service detail.
Might I offer: a two-room suite in the US Embassy in Moscow. Assange spent several years in an embassy; Trump could do the same.
Jackie
@Kay: 👏🏻👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
Wapiti
@Layer8Problem: This. There was a case of a registered sexual offender who had served his sentence but there was no community in the state that accept him (maybe during parole. Dunno the details.) So the state put a trailer home on the prison grounds, outside the prison proper.
NotMax
@Wapiti
Perhaps his BFF Kim Jong Un could offer to put him up.
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NotMax
@Wapiti
Wanted: 30,000 square foot trailer.
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Layer8Problem
@Wapiti: Hey, I don’t care if they give TFG a double-wide, he’s an ex-president, he rates. The Secret Service can set up shop in a couple of shipping containers with air conditioning and heaters with a few porta-potties. But no outside catering, he eats what the regular prison population eats.
NotMax
Anyone else notice Melania is not there to offer support?
(Gomer Pyle voice) Soo-prize, soo-prize.
Citizen Alan
@citizen dave: Then you should look back over the last 16 years, and perhaps things will become clearer. In 2008, a black man became president, and in response, approximately 75m Americans went stark raving mad and decided that the total destruction of America was preferable to surrendering their white supremacy.
Citizen Alan
@geg6: TBH, I really don’t hate Donald Trump as much as I do his supporters. A pathetic, insane old man would be worthy only of pity if it weren’t for 75 million garbage humans who take pleasure at the thought of that pathetic, insane old man hurting the rest of us for their entertainment. I think I would volunteer to go to hell if I could be certain of having the satisfaction of seeing everyone who voted for the bastard down there with me, all wailing for mercy from the God they only pretended to worship.
Citizen Alan
@ArchTeryx: I have what I call my Champagne List. He’s actually not at the top of it, TBH. I think he’s third, behind Turtle and Witchfinder Alito.
Brachiator
@NotMax:
Dealing with a former president is a whole different level of problem. Also a former president who is a political candidate. You cannot simply secure him. You have to protect him from harm and be able to move him away from danger quickly.
Pondering imprisoning a prior president is unprecedented.
Layer8Problem
@Brachiator: Geez, sounds insoluble. Whatever will we do? Got any notions?
ETA: I just don’t think that any residual presidential pixie dust means he gets special treatment. Right now, ex-president or not, he’s Mr. Donald J. Trump, defendant.
Sister Golden Bear
@Sure Lurkalot:
It’s not really difficult, there’s plenty of high-profile prisoners who are kept completely isolated from the general population. They might give him an entire unit to be extra sure, with a Secret Service detail inside with him 24/7.l, and a fake Oval Office if we’re feeling generous. Prison staff can be vetted by both the prison system and the Secret Service. His good can be pulled at random from the general population meals. It’ll suck being inside 23 hours per day, with an hour of outside time in protected courtyard. But if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.
anitamargarita
I am so sick of him too. I also think if Bush and Reagan had been held accountable for their crimes, we would likely not have had a trump presidency.
Sister Golden Bear
@citizen dave: At knife point!
SpaceUnit
@Layer8Problem:
We’d never, ever hear so much squeamish dialogue about jailing a criminal ex-president if that ex-president were a Democrat.
Just saying it.
Fair Economist
@SpaceUnit: Absolutely. They threw Blagojevich, a (Democratic) former governor, in with a rough general prison population. Put Trump in a private cell with Secret Service doing guard duty at the door and nobody’s going to hurt him. Imprisoning Trump is just not a big problem.
Brachiator
@Layer8Problem:
Not my problem, but Trump wanted to be special. Now he is. Because of him, Secret Service and law enforcement have to consider how you imprison, secure and protect a former president who you are throwing in jail. Along with Secret Service protection.
NotMax
@Brachiator
I’m not talking long term imprisonment, rather the last straw held in reserve for contempt. Whether for such time (a few hours) as the daily session is adjourned or overnight until the commencement of the next day’s session.
Unlikely but not off the table.
Brachiator
@SpaceUnit:
The problem exists for any former president, Democrat or Republican. And I absolutely detest Trump. I would love to see his ass thrown under a jail. And I hope his ass goes to prison so we can see what they come up with.
But there is no way that any former president can just be treated like any other prisoner, not even a high profile prisoner.
SpaceUnit
@Brachiator:
Neither trump nor the GOP lay down the rules for New York law enforcement or for the Secret Service.
Again, just saying it. And a criminal is a criminal. Fuck him.
SpaceUnit
@Brachiator:
Easy. Solitary confinement. They do it all the time.
ETA: The prison guards would probably be hand-feeding him grapes. Okay hamberders. And smuggling in his face bronzer. Don’t cry for trump.
Jackie
smith
It wasn’t very long ago that it was inconceivable that a former president could be criminally indicted. Then it seemed impossible that the justice system would be able to actually bring him to trial. Now it’s hard to imagine how he could be imprisoned. These are conceptual barriers, and as we have seen in the last year, they can be overcome.
In my opinion, the people who decided to move forward with criminal charges considered and resolved the problem of imprisoning a former president before they indicted him. Plans are already in place. There is no point in prosecuting a criminal at all if it’s not going to be possible to exact appropriate punishment.
PAM Dirac
@NotMax:
Reminds me of the story a high school classmate told me. We went to school in DC and he eventually ended up teaching there. He was teaching there when then Vice President Dan Quayle’s son attended. The first week the kid was there one of the classes he was in acted up enough that the teacher gave the whole class detention. My friend say it was pretty funny watching the kid’s Secret Service detail hanging out in the hallway while the kid was in detention.
Ruckus
JC
He is 77 yrs OLD. He is mentally deficient – OK he’s always been, but he’s getting worse. Day by day. No it’s not just an old song. Once starting down this road, there is no turning back. Sure he will have some hard core support, but him getting up and getting more disorientated every day will lose him support. And any attempt to hide his descent will be as obvious as the descent itself.
I’ve seen this descent more than once, as I’d bet more than a few of us have. And it only goes one way. DOWN. And it only gets more and more obvious as the days pass.
Some go down slowly, for some it’s like a dive off the Matterhorn, without a safety harness or parachute. Having seen this a few times I’d bet he goes down, like a junked battleship that’s just taken several torpedos amidship. It may seem like it starts slowly but really it progresses pretty quickly.
Ruckus
@Brachiator:
But there is no way that any former president can just be treated like any other prisoner, not even a high profile prisoner.
Why not?
Just because it’s never been done? When has it ever needed to be done? He’s done most every thing possible to give ex presidents a bad name. And I’m sure he could make it worse, he always does. But this isn’t what being an ex president is supposed to be like. This isn’t even what a normal non ex president is supposed to be like. This is a fully over grown toddler acting out. If he was actually five or six he’d be sitting in a chair yelling that he’s going to hold his breath for the next month. As he thinks he’s above everyone else he’s just going to try it for 1 minute before he gives up.
wjca
@Ruckus:
Certainly it can be done. Whether it will be done is a different discussion.
The biggest impediment would normally be that he would know too much, and there would thus be national security issues. But TIFG mostly didn’t bother with the information that past presidents (good and bad) routinely absorbed. And to the extent he did, appears unlikely to have retained anything useful. So, not really a problem.
TBone
@NotMax: 👍😆 it’s the icing on this cake
The Pale Scot
Supermax is quite secure. As much as I want him in gen. pop. in a Louisiana state prison, I’d settle for that.
Or has I have suggested, stranded in a run down trailer park in central Fl. with his neighbors knocking on his door constantly asking for cigarettes.
The Pale Scot
ON MARS !!
wjca
Of course not. On Jupiter — it’s the biggliest!
Miss Bianca
@Brachiator: why would he need Secret Service protection in.prison? He’s a fucking felon at that point. Put him in the Supermax and treat him like El Chapo.
That way I can flip him off every time I take the highway into Florence. Works for me!
BellaPea
I am sick of seeing him as well, and fed up with the morons who continue to support this pathetic loser. Our neighbors down the street–who I used to think were nice people–have had “Trump 2024” banners up since last year. I just hope this time he is defeated soundly enough and falls apart so badly that he can’t ever, ever run for public office again.