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Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Salmagundi

by Anne Laurie|  April 30, 20248:20 am| 206 Comments

This post is in: Immigration, LGBTQ Rights Are Human Rights, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Stupidity

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Tuesday Morning Open Thread 14

(Clay Bennett via GoComics.com)

We've been talking about the Republican rejection of democracy for a while now, but to see and hear them explicitly state it is still unnerving. pic.twitter.com/2DNCzPnCER

— Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) April 30, 2024


I’m guessing that Republicans have so little power in Washington state, their caucus has fallen into the ever-tempting Fewer, but better fascists mode?

State legislatures have passed few bills targeting gay and transgender Americans this year, raising questions about whether the push to restrict LGBTQ rights is losing momentum. https://t.co/sHLLXYiH9j

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) April 29, 2024

Small sparks of hope… From the Washington Post, “Push to restrict LGBTQ+ rights hits a snag in state legislatures”: [gift link]

Lawmakers have introduced a record number of bills targeting gay and transgender Americans this year, but hardly any have passed, raising questions about whether the push to restrict LGBTQ+ rights is losing momentum.

The bills have sought to regulate matters such as which bathrooms transgender people can use and whether Pride flags can be raised in public buildings. Similar bills sailed through state legislatures in recent years. This year, they have failed even in states where Republicans have supermajorities and governors demanded wins.

So far, just 20 bills have passed, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, down from more than 75 last year.

Strategists on both sides say Republicans appear increasingly unwilling to stake their reelections on cultural issues. Though many Americans support policies such as banning trans girls and women from playing on sports teams that match their gender identity, polls have found that the issues aren’t especially important to voters. Few Republicans have parlayed the issues into electoral success, and as politicians in swing states ask for votes, some may be feeling risk averse…

All but one bill died in Florida, as did 20 in West Virginia. Georgia adjourned its session without having passed any of the two dozen proposals that Republicans introduced. And Iowa lawmakers adjourned recently having passed just one of the three dozen bills that Republicans introduced or carried over from last year.

LGBTQ+ activists are nonetheless reluctant to celebrate this session as a tide-turning win. Jeff Graham, the executive director of the LGBTQ+ advocacy group Equality Georgia, said he fears that what feels like relief now could turn out to be a pause.

“I’ve been doing this long enough that I see LGBTQ+ issues ebb and flow over time,” Graham said. “That doesn’t mean we are out of the woods. It doesn’t mean we aren’t going to see these attacks continue. But I do think we’re beginning to see people push back and say enough is enough. This is not what we elected you to do.”…

If you're 60, 69.1% of all job growth since your birth occurred under Democratic administrations.

If you're 45, that number is 74.7%.

If you're under 30, the number is 100%. pic.twitter.com/NYb69zOsdC

— ????????????_???????????? (@SundaeDivine) April 28, 2024

A massive Powerball win draws attention to a little-known immigrant culture in the US https://t.co/MQgejLg66Y

— The Associated Press (@AP) April 30, 2024



Only in America, land of opportunity
… Per the Associated Press, “A massive Powerball win draws attention to a little-known immigrant culture in the US”:

Cheng “Charlie” Saephan wore a broad smile and a bright blue sash emblazoned with the words “Iu-Mien USA” as he hoisted an oversized check for $1.3 billion above his head.

The 46-year-old immigrant’s luck in winning an enormous Powerball jackpot in Oregon earlier this month — a lump sum payment of $422 million after taxes, which he and his wife will split with a friend — has changed his life. It also raised awareness about Iu Mien people, a southeast Asian ethnic group with origins in China, many of whose members fled from Laos to Thailand and then settled in the U.S. following the Vietnam War.

“I am born in Laos, but I am not Laotian,” Saephan told a news conference Monday at Oregon Lottery headquarters, where his identity as one of the jackpot’s winners was revealed. “I am Iu Mien.”

During the Vietnam War, the CIA and U.S. military recruited Iu Mien in neighboring Laos, many of them subsistence farmers, to engage in guerrilla warfare and to provide intelligence and surveillance to disrupt the Ho Chi Minh Trail that the North Vietnamese used to send troops and weapons through Laos and Cambodia into South Vietnam.

After the conflict as well as the Laotian civil war, when the U.S.-backed government of Laos fell in 1975, they fled by the thousands to avoid reprisals from the new Communist government, escaping by foot through the jungle and then across the Mekong River into Thailand, according to a history posted on the website of Iu Mien Community Services in Sacramento, California. More than 70% of the Iu Mien population in Laos left and many wound up in refugee camps in Thailand…

There are now tens of thousands of Iu Mien — pronounced “yoo MEE’-en” — in the U.S., with many attending universities or starting businesses. Many have converted to Christianity from traditional animist religions. There is a sizeable Iu Mien community in Portland and its suburbs, with a Buddhist temple and Baptist church, active social organization, and businesses and restaurants…

Saephan, 46, said he was born in Laos and moved to Thailand in 1987, before immigrating to the U.S. in 1994. He graduated from high school in 1996 and has lived in Portland for 30 years. He worked as a machinist for an aerospace company.

He said Monday that he has had cancer for eight years and had his latest chemotherapy treatment last week.

“I will be able to provide for my family and my health,” he said, adding that he’d “find a good doctor for myself.”

Saephan, who has two young children, said that as a cancer patient, he wondered, “How am I going to have time to spend all of this money? How long will I live?”

He said he and his 37-year-old wife, Duanpen, are taking half the money, and the rest is going to a friend, Laiza Chao, 55, of the Portland suburb of Milwaukie. Chao had chipped in $100 to buy a batch of tickets with them…

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  1. 1.

    Jeffro

    April 30, 2024 at 8:27 am

    Doesn’t the WA GOP realize that they’re fully capable of winning majorities everywhere?  All you need is policies that a majority of Americans want!   =)

    wait…

  2. 2.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 8:28 am

    Immigrants are taking our jackpots.

  3. 3.

    Betty Cracker

    April 30, 2024 at 8:32 am

    The wingnut supermajority FL statehouse has been quietly letting most culture war garbage bills languish since DeSantis washed out of the GOP primary. They’re still the same cruel fascists they were last year. I think they’re worried about blowback. It’s surely not an attack of conscience!

  4. 4.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    April 30, 2024 at 8:35 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    It’s surely not an attack of conscience!

    Bwahahahahahahaha. They’d hafta have a soul to have a conscience.

    I’d think blowback but aren’t all of them in safe districts, thus, no realistic blowback?

  5. 5.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 8:36 am

    As a lover of languages and history (and herstory) that Maddow segment pissed me off so much.  So. Much.  The dumbing down of the nation proceeds apace if these fucking freaks keep procreating.  Which is the goal, minus critical thinking capabilities.  Gah! My ancestors roll over in their graves.

  6. 6.

    RevRick

    April 30, 2024 at 8:37 am

    @Betty Cracker: There’s only so much traction you can get with these issues before normal people notice and go, “Wait, what?”

  7. 7.

    terraformer

    April 30, 2024 at 8:43 am

    Re: Washington state Republicans. Oh boy…they’re saying we should stop using the word/wanting “democracy” ….. because it makes us like the Democrats.

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

  8. 8.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 8:44 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    They’ve historically turned it down a notch in election years, I think.  It works for them to some degree. They’re natural opponents among the electorate have short and manipulable memories.

  9. 9.

    Soprano2

    April 30, 2024 at 8:45 am

    I don’t think the MO legislature has passed any anti-LBGTQ bills this year because they’re too preoccupied with trying to put an amendment on the ballot to make it harder for the people to amend the constitution and fighting among themselves. The last I saw was they put the “ballot candy” back in so people will think they’re voting to keep non-citizens from voting in state elections (which is already illegal) rather than to restrict their own voice.

    Right now I’m waiting for my husband to change clothes so I can take him to his doctor’s appointment. You have no idea how much patience this takes. It’s like having a small child who is actually an adult, so you can’t actually make them do anything. It’s one reason I need help, so I don’t melt down from frustration.

  10. 10.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 8:49 am

    @Baud:

    They haven’t shut down the government in a while, but they always did so in non-election years when they did it.

  11. 11.

    RevRick

    April 30, 2024 at 8:49 am

    @TBone: I’ve been reading Hilary Mantel’s Wolf Hall trilogy, and there was an extended narrative about a revolt against Henry 8’s rule that began as a peasant uprising against the changes in religious practices in England that was being pushed by Thomas Cromwell. Behind the scenes, old Plantagenet families were backing the revolt, because they were appalled that Henry had allowed vile blood to take positions of authority.
    This accusation was, of course, directed at Cromwell and his associates, who rose from the masses and lacked the supposed superiority of aristocratic birth. The speech of that GOP woman is a direct descendant of the accusation of vile blood, because it is based in the belief that there are natural hierarchies, where certain groups are better than others.

  12. 12.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 8:49 am

    Songs of solace today, lyrical beauty rest 🎶

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=NIZUlS7c4yg

  13. 13.

    gene108

    April 30, 2024 at 8:50 am

    Repealing the 17th Amendment and going back to state legislatures appointing Senators has been around for a longtime, but had been limited to a very small fringe of conservatives.

    Interesting all these fringe conservative ideas are now becoming mainstream Republican positions.

  14. 14.

    Melancholy Jaques

    April 30, 2024 at 8:51 am

    @RevRick:

    it is based in the belief that there are natural hierarchies, where certain groups are better than others.

    And, as it turns out, her group is the best of all.

  15. 15.

    Spanky

    April 30, 2024 at 8:51 am

    @TBone: Idiocracy really was a documentary.

    @Baud:  Cue the statehouse bills to limit lottery tickets to US citizens only. //

  16. 16.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 8:54 am

    @Spanky:

    Yes! Improve my chances!

  17. 17.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 8:55 am

    @Melancholy Jaques:

    Second best, after the men folk.

  18. 18.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 30, 2024 at 8:55 am

    Critical moments in Georgia (the country) as the leadership takes a hard pro-russian  turn, a la 2013 Yanukovych. Will we have a Maidan/Revolution of Dignity reaction, or is this more like Belarus?

  19. 19.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 8:55 am

    If they don’t want to live in a Democracy they can always move. Russia is accepting people with money to steal.

  20. 20.

    Kay

    April 30, 2024 at 8:56 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Total abortion ban goes in May 1st. As I have said many times, Florida still has (real) local newspapers – not owned by some Right wing corporation –  I’m hoping they cover the consequences. I think they will. It’s huge – will limit access to healthcare for women in the whole southeast.

    Maybe they’re hoping they can hide.

  21. 21.

    Spanky

    April 30, 2024 at 8:57 am

    @Gin & Tonic: What does Occam’s Razor say?

    At a guess, my natural pessimism says Belarus.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 8:57 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Do you think Russia being distracted by Georgia can help Ukraine?

  23. 23.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 9:00 am

    @gene108:

    Their only two options are to become more radical or give up.

  24. 24.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:04 am

    @RevRick: my family tree reaches all the way back to those days of yore on mom’s WASP side.  Lord Strange’s Men, Lady Jane.  My ancestors weep.

  25. 25.

    Jeffro

    April 30, 2024 at 9:05 am

    Jamelle Bouie: we get the state legislatures that we (barely) pay for.

    One way to understand this fight to roll back labor laws is as a function of conservative ideology and a reflection of the views of the social base of Republican politics. It’s almost axiomatic that a party dominated by reactionary business owners is going to support, as much as possible, the interests of reactionary business owners.

    But this analysis can take us only so far. We also have to explain why it is, on a practical level, that this agenda has advanced so far and so fast. There is partisan control, of course — Republicans are leading the assault on labor laws — but there is also the class composition of our state legislatures.

    What explains the almost total absence of working-class people from elected positions in state government? It may have something to do with how we structure our legislatures. Let’s look at Congress as a baseline. Both the House and Senate are full-time legislatures with considerable staff and resources at their disposal. Members work through the year and are paid accordingly: $174,000 per annum with pay increases for those in leadership positions.

    Now there is a case to make that Congress needs more staff and higher pay — that to attract the best candidates for federal office, compensation should be competitive with salaries in private-sector fields of similar power, prestige and responsibility. The main point, however, is that Congress is at least structured in a way that would make it possible for a working-class person to do the job without jeopardizing his or her financial security (although this still leaves us with the problem of actually winning a seat).

    You cannot say the same for most of our state legislatures. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, only 10 states have full-time state legislatures, in which lawmakers spent at least 84 percent of their time engaged in the position, from time spent on the legislative floor to time spent in hearings, committee meetings and on constituent service. They are paid full-time salaries as well, with average compensation of about $82,000. On the other end, there are 14 states where the job is essentially part-time and lawmakers are paid accordingly, earning an average salary of just over $18,000.

    …Setting aside the difficulty of getting elected — the necessity of raising money from wealthy friends, family and acquaintances that most Americans simply do not have — if a working-class person of modest means somehow won a state legislative position, she would almost certainly have to sacrifice a large part of her income to do so. Our legislatures are not built to allow working people to participate as members. Neither, for that matter, is our political system writ large.

    It is not too difficult to imagine the changes that might make our elected institutions, including Congress, more inclusive of working people. We would need, for example, a stronger and more robust system of campaign finance. We would need resources to move more legislatures to full-time status, including funds for more staff and higher salaries. And we would need the kinds of accommodations that, frankly, all Americans deserve: child care, housing and good health insurance.

    The problem is that all of this runs counter to our ingrained hostility to politics and politicians — our cynical distrust, even contempt, for people who choose to make a career of elected office. We don’t want to raise their pay or give them more of what they need to do their jobs well; we want to cut as much as we can and impose term limits while we’re at it.

    In this way, we get the legislatures — and legislators — that we pay for: a whole lot of wealthy people interested in pursuing their own goals and not much else.

    Related, somewhat: after last week’s latest NYT debacle (with Sulzberger feeling like it was the NYT’s job to ‘vet’ President Biden, followed up with their ridiculous statement defending the indefensible) I was going to cancel my subscription.  Then I realized, I like quite a bit of the rest of the paper, and there might be another way to solve this…so I set up a recurring monthly donation to Biden/Harris of $50/month, which is more than twice what I pay for the NYT.  And then I told the NYT a) their political coverage sucks and b) Sulzberger is the reason I set up the recurring donation.  =)

    Probably more than y’all wanted to know, but this is BJ after all…

  26. 26.

    prostratedragon

    April 30, 2024 at 9:06 am

    WAPost endorses Angela Alsobrooks in the Democratic primary for Senator from MD. I note that, like many Democratic Senators and candidates, she actually lives in the State she’s running to represent.

  27. 27.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 9:06 am

    @Soprano2: It’s one reason I need help, so I don’t melt down from frustration.

    I feel for you.

  28. 28.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2024 at 9:07 am

    Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊

  29. 29.

    RevRick

    April 30, 2024 at 9:07 am

    @Melancholy Jaques: But of course! She was raised on white supremacy.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 9:07 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning.

  31. 31.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 9:08 am

    @prostratedragon:

    Who are you referring to?

  32. 32.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2024 at 9:08 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    They want folks to think that they didn’t do all that nonsense 😡😡

  33. 33.

    RevRick

    April 30, 2024 at 9:09 am

    @TBone: Wow!
    Me, I’m a Central European mutt, Slavic, Jew, and a sprinkling of Germanic.

  34. 34.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2024 at 9:10 am

    @Baud:

    Tuberville, that jerk from MO, the one running against Tammy Baldwin. They don’t live in the State that they want to represent

  35. 35.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 9:11 am

    @rikyrah:

    My bad. I misread the comment. I thought he or she said unlike Democrats.

  36. 36.

    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 9:13 am

    Anti gay is still a winning issue in Ohio, as we learned to our loss in our last school board elections in my little city. The two most qualified (and also gay) candidates lost when we are facing a 15 million dollar deficit.

  37. 37.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 9:13 am

    @gene108

    Next: Repeal the repeal of the 18th amendment.

    ‘Our grandparents could flout the law in speakeasies, why can’t we?”
    //

  38. 38.

    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 9:16 am

    Last census found that 1/3 of Americans claim German ancestry. That is a lot.

  39. 39.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:16 am

    @Jeffro: 👍

  40. 40.

    Spanky

    April 30, 2024 at 9:19 am

    @prostratedragon: Yay! On the one hand, Democratic primary voters in Maryland can choose an accomplished lawyer who has been States Attorney and county executive, or we can vote for a guy who sells booze for a living.

  41. 41.

    Jeffro

    April 30, 2024 at 9:20 am

    How Far Trump Will Go – TIME Magazine

    The arranged marriage with the timorous Republican Party stalwarts is over; the old guard is vanquished, and the people who remain are his people. Trump would enter a second term backed by a slew of policy shops staffed by loyalists who have drawn up detailed plans in service of his agenda, which would concentrate the powers of the state in the hands of a man whose appetite for power appears all but insatiable.
    The courts, the Constitution, and a Congress of unknown composition would all have a say in whether Trump’s objectives come to pass. The machinery of Washington has a range of defenses: leaks to a free press, whistle-blower protections, the oversight of inspectors general. The same deficiencies of temperament and judgment that hindered him in the past remain present.

    This is so dumb.  Trump, unhinged, vengeful at every moment, with nothing but loyalists eager to carry out maximum harm on his/their enemies?  (Much less with “presidential immunity”?)  Like courts, Congress, the Constitution, leaks, whistle-blower protections (LOL), or IGs are going to matter.

    If he wins, Trump would be a lame duck—contrary to the suggestions of some supporters, he tells TIME he would not seek to overturn or ignore the Constitution’s prohibition on a third term.

    oh OKAY

    Public opinion would also be a powerful check.

    OH SURE

    Amid a popular outcry, Trump was forced to scale back some of his most draconian first-term initiatives, including the policy of separating migrant families. As George Orwell wrote in 1945, the ability of governments to carry out their designs “depends on the general temper in the country.”
    Every election is billed as a national turning point. This time that rings true. To supporters, the prospect of Trump 2.0, unconstrained and backed by a disciplined movement of true believers, offers revolutionary promise. To much of the rest of the nation and the world, it represents an alarming risk. A second Trump term could WILL bring “the end of our democracy,” says presidential historian Douglas Brinkley, “and the birth of a new kind of authoritarian presidential order.”

    Complete failure of imagination here.  A complete failure to learn from history, whether recent history or the many, many times someone like this has been handed/taken power.

  42. 42.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 9:21 am

    @rikyrah: that jerk from MO

    Hotfoot Hawley, wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Schmitt does too.

  43. 43.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 9:21 am

    @Soprano2

    It’s one reason I need help, so I don’t melt down from frustration.

    As you’re a singer, a spot of vocalizing to pass some time. I can appreciate and admire her talented technique but not necessarily its application.
    ;)

  44. 44.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 9:22 am

    @Spanky:

    Eh, that’s misleading. You make Trone sound like he hasn’t held elected office.

    ETA: I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m sure they’d both be better than Hogan.

  45. 45.

    Jeffro

    April 30, 2024 at 9:23 am

    also TIME:

     

    In our Mar-a-Lago interview, Trump says he might fire U.S. Attorneys who refuse his orders to prosecute someone: “It would depend on the situation.” He’s told supporters he would seek retribution against his enemies in a second term. Would that include Fani Willis, the Atlanta-area district attorney who charged him with election interference, or Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan DA in the Stormy Daniels case, who Trump has previously said should be prosecuted? Trump demurs but offers no promises. “No, I don’t want to do that,” he says, before adding, “We’re gonna look at a lot of things. What they’ve done is a terrible thing.”
     
    Trump has also vowed to appoint a “real special prosecutor” to go after Biden. “I wouldn’t want to hurt Biden,” he tells me. “I have too much respect for the office.” Seconds later, though, he suggests Biden’s fate may be tied to an upcoming Supreme Court ruling on whether Presidents can face criminal prosecution for acts committed in office. “If they said that a President doesn’t get immunity,” says Trump, “then Biden, I am sure, will be prosecuted for all of his crimes.” (Biden has not been charged with any, and a House Republican effort to impeach him has failed to unearth evidence of any crimes or misdemeanors, high or low.)

  46. 46.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 9:23 am

    @Jeffro:

    Did the article begin, Dear White People…?

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 9:25 am

    @TBone

    England “The less said about Queen Jane, the better.”
    ;)

  48. 48.

    MattF

    April 30, 2024 at 9:25 am

    @prostratedragon: Yeah, I voted for Alsobrooks. Trone is OK, but just another rich white guy. I think Alsobrooks has a much better shot at beating Hogan— she’s likely to do very well in PG county. Also, my mailbox has been complaining about the very high volume of campaign mailings from Trone.

  49. 49.

    geg6

    April 30, 2024 at 9:25 am

    @sab: ​
     
    My mother’s maiden name was Schnell. Pretty hard to deny my German heritage with that.

  50. 50.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 9:26 am

    @Baud: Its implicit and not just in Trump fluffing articles. All of NYT coverage can be understood through that lens. All though NYT is not talking to all white people but an affluent subsection carrying totebags who listen to NPR and are under the mistaken impression that they are the most liberal people on the planet.

    Latest tankie take from a professor of marketing, Biden is definitely going to lose because the campus protests are just like 1968. Biden is totally the new LBJ.  And then Rs will win and attack Mexico. And Biden will be to blame because he can totally stop Netanyahu but cutting off US aid and giving him a stern talking to.

    I didn’t even know where to begin…..

    ETA: This is a relatively popular account with 45K followers

  51. 51.

    RevRick

    April 30, 2024 at 9:27 am

    @sab: They came in two big waves. The first in the mid 1700s, settling in a 75-mile arc outside of Philadelphia (the PA Dutch), and the second in the 1830s and 1840s, settling in the Mid West.

  52. 52.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 30, 2024 at 9:28 am

    @Jeffro:

    I’m glad to see Bouie – or anyone with a platform like that, really – talk about this.  It’s been a bugaboo of mine for thirty years: back in the early to mid 1990s, I briefly considered running for the Virginia legislature.  Then I found out that if I won, I’d be making $10,000 per year.

    So much for that idea, but it made it clear to me that most people in most states couldn’t afford to be in their state legislature.  There are some professions like lawyer and realtor that one can set down during the legislative session and pick up again afterwards, but those are the exceptions.  Most people don’t have jobs that are compatible with service in a state legislature, so they’ve got to choose one or the other.

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 9:29 am

    @geg6

    “No, no no. The Swiss Schnells.”
    //

  54. 54.

    geg6

    April 30, 2024 at 9:30 am

    I know this isn’t related to any topics being discussed here, but it might be something that makes me proud to be a Democrat.

    I saw some blurbs online about Nonna Pelosi schooling that idiot Katy Tur. Can anyone give me the deets? I’m at work and can’t watch the video, so very curious. I despise Katy Tur, so hoping for something juicy.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 9:31 am

    @geg6:

    There was a post here on that within the last couple of days.

  56. 56.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:31 am

    @NotMax: 💜 the most learned lady

    Off with her head!

  57. 57.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 9:31 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    In the famous Schrödinger’s cat hypothesis, a cat in a box is both alive and dead until someone looks inside – and in the case of one mischievous cat from Utah discovered inside an Amazon return package, it was very much alive.

    The cat, Galena, survived being shipped all the way from Lehi, Utah, across the US to California after sneaking into the package. Galena, six, an indoor-only cat, traveled more than 500 miles in a 3-by-3ft shipping container, according to NBC.

    Galena endured six days of travel with no food or water, but was discovered in relatively good shape by an Amazon employee.

    eta: So now we know.

  58. 58.

    Baud

    April 30, 2024 at 9:32 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Maybe the Republicans will annex Cancun so Ted Cruz can fly domestic.

  59. 59.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 9:32 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Cats truly have nine lives!

  60. 60.

    geg6

    April 30, 2024 at 9:33 am

    @Baud: ​
     
    Thanks. I’ll try to find it.

  61. 61.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 30, 2024 at 9:33 am

    @lowtechcyclist: New Hampshire’s state legislators are essentially completely unpaid–I think there’s some tiny token stipend. And the lower house of the legislature is enormous, with every member representing only a few thousand people.

    The effect is that the legislators are usually either local businesspeople or retirees who are complete political outsiders and doing it as a hobby, and the latter particularly leads to some strange phenomena. For a while it seemed like there was a “New Hampshire state legislator gone wild” story in the news every few months.

  62. 62.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 9:33 am

    @Baud: A tropical paradise closer than Hawaii, its a win-win.

  63. 63.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 9:33 am

    @geg6

    Yesterday’s Pelosi-centric thread, here.

  64. 64.

    RevRick

    April 30, 2024 at 9:34 am

    @NotMax: Queen Jane (Seymour) died shortly after giving Henry his male heir. Lady Jane Grey had her nine-day reign shortened in the power politics of succession to Edward 6, who died before reaching majority.

  65. 65.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:34 am

    @RevRick: those fact-based fiction novels are right up my alley.  I will be looking for them at the library for summer reading ☺️

  66. 66.

    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 9:36 am

    @schrodingers_cat: I just had a haircut this morning, and my hairdresser and I discussed the sad state of our furniture as owners of undeclawed cats.

    ETA Damaged furniture is worth the cost of healthy happy uncrippled cats. But declawing cats prevents cat euthanasia.

  67. 67.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 30, 2024 at 9:37 am

    @Baud: No.

  68. 68.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:38 am

    @RevRick: my IRL middle name is Gray (spelling was a major hassle for me when I was little, I spelled it Grey on my all school papers until Mom corrected me).  At that age, I had no idea about any of the history.

  69. 69.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 9:38 am

    @schrodingers_cat: My parents were on one of their summer long tours of the great American west. They noticed a cat at a gas station. When they stopped again for gas, several hundreds of miles away, they saw another cat with similar patterns in it’s coat. A couple more hundreds of miles down the road they saw still another cat that was very similar.

    That was when they figured out they had a hitchhiker.

  70. 70.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 30, 2024 at 9:39 am

    @Spanky:

    Yay! On the one hand, Democratic primary voters in Maryland can choose an accomplished lawyer who has been States Attorney and county executive, or we can vote for a guy who sells booze for a living.

    But on the other hand, ex-Gov. Hogan is doing all too well in the polls.  I worry about white (especially white male) Dems and independents who might put Hogan over the top if our candidate is a woman of color.

    We can’t afford to lose this Senate seat, and I’m nervous.  I’d much rather have Alsobrook than Trone, but I’d much rather have Trone than Hogan.  My mail-in primary ballot is all filled in except for Senate.

  71. 71.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 9:39 am

    @RevRick: ​
     
    Unrelated, but: belated condolences on the closing of your church. I’m sure it’s been painful.
    And, for what it’s worth: I always appreciate your comments here.

  72. 72.

    Melancholy Jaques

    April 30, 2024 at 9:39 am

    @sab:

    According to this map, German ancestry dominates the midwest and northern western states.

  73. 73.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:40 am

    @sab: I am also contemplating getting a super soaker to fill with cold water because of cat claw sharpening on furniture when multiple scratching posts ARE RIGHT THERE 🤣

  74. 74.

    Geminid

    April 30, 2024 at 9:40 am

    @RevRick: A lot of the Germans who came to Pennsylvania in the 1730s and 40s moved on to settle the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. They and the Scotch-Irish beat the slow-moving English to all that good farm land.

    Some English came along. Abraham Lincoln’s grandfather grew up on a farm not far from Harrisonburg, and I think his family came from Pennsylvania.

  75. 75.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:41 am

    @Melancholy Jaques: and don’t forget Texas

  76. 76.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 9:41 am

    @sab: Do leather couches survive better under a paw attack? We are thinking of buying a new sofa. Our current one is in shambles because of you know who.

  77. 77.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 30, 2024 at 9:41 am

    @MattF:

    my mailbox has been complaining about the very high volume of campaign mailings from Trone.

    Seriously, 30% of my junk mail must be from this clown.

  78. 78.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 9:42 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Did they bring the adventure kitteh home? He sounds like he was quite a character.

  79. 79.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 9:42 am

    @RevRick

    her nine-day reign

    All but redacted from the lineage.

    “Some stuff happened. Nothing to see here; move along smartly, please.”

  80. 80.

    Kosh III

    April 30, 2024 at 9:42 am

    “Push to restrict LGBTQ+ rights hits a snag in state legislatures”

    Not a surprise that Tennessee was ignored by the media elite.  One bill that passed let’s regressive religionists refuse to adopt gay kids if it offends their religious opinion.
    One that failed would have banned rainbow/pride flags at school but would’ve still allowed the flag of Confederate treason.  The sponsor promised to try again next session.

  81. 81.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:43 am

    @SFAW: seconded

  82. 82.

    bbleh

    April 30, 2024 at 9:43 am

    MEANwhile, Trump fined 9 x $1000 for gag order violations.  [sad trombone]

    ETA: and threatened in the written order with incarceration for any future violations.

  83. 83.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:43 am

    @bbleh: 😆😍

    Just a speed bump but satisfying nonetheless

  84. 84.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 9:44 am

    @sab:

    Last census found that 1/3 of Americans claim German ancestry. That is a lot.

    Vell, zat iss becauss ve echte Chermans haf said “You VILL claim ziss.”

  85. 85.

    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 9:44 am

    @Melancholy Jaques: I acknowledge Scottish, Irish, Swiss and English ancestry. I am midwestern so I also have German. But never claimed it on the census.

    That is interesting. Apparently everyone who has no ethnic identity in the midwest is German. That makes sense.

  86. 86.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 9:44 am

    @SFAW: I had not heard the news. @RevRick: I too send condolences.

  87. 87.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 30, 2024 at 9:44 am

    @TBone:

    @RevRick: those fact-based fiction novels are right up my alley.  I will be looking for them at the library for summer reading ☺️

    I read the first two of them, back before it became a trilogy. They were quite good.

  88. 88.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 9:46 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    You could always de-claw.

    Just kidding — I would never do that to any of our kitties, even if they weren’t indoor/outdoor cats.

  89. 89.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 9:46 am

    @sab

    Lotsa Scandihoovians in the upper midwest, don’tcha know.

  90. 90.

    geg6

    April 30, 2024 at 9:47 am

    @Baud: ​
     
    Still no context without video. Oh well, I guess I’ll have to wait for lunch.

  91. 91.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 30, 2024 at 9:47 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Our current [sofa] is in shambles because of you know who.

    Because of schrodinger’s cat’s cat? ;-)

     

  92. 92.

    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 9:47 am

    @NotMax: She was executed so there was stuff to see there. Her family made her be involved with the asshole king. She had wanted another actual life. Tragic story for those who care about teen girls.

  93. 93.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 9:47 am

    @schrodingers_cat: ​ No, they didn’t. He told them he preferred the freedom of life on the open road and waved goodbye with his crooked tail.

  94. 94.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 9:47 am

    @sab:

    But declawing cats prevents cat euthanasia.

    How is that? [Serious question.]

  95. 95.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 9:48 am

    @sab: I am 100% Indian, AFAIK. Some of my students used to insist that I must be biracial and I just didn’t know it. I guess I didn’t conform to whatever their mental image of an Indian person looked like

    I can trace my ancestry to great ^3 grandparents on my mother’s side and  great^5 on my father’s side.

  96. 96.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 9:48 am

    @lowtechcyclist: cats, in plural.

  97. 97.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 9:49 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Because of schrodinger’s cat’s cat? ;-)

    Well, (I think) she does call her husband “husband kitteh” from time to time, so maybe it’s the two-legged version?

  98. 98.

    Trivia Man

    April 30, 2024 at 9:50 am

    @Betty Cracker: More proof the social stuff is just a way to drive their base turnout. Job #1 is driving  $$ to the fat cats. Cut taxes, end regulations, hamstring oversight, cut worker protection… that is the goal. Social stuff just provides cover

  99. 99.

    geg6

    April 30, 2024 at 9:50 am

    @TBone: ​
     
    Gray is my last name. My paternal grandparents were immigrants from England. Lots of discussion about Lady Jane among the grandparents and aunt and uncles. My dad, however, preferred American history.

  100. 100.

    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 9:50 am

    @SFAW: Jerks adopt cats and then have them put down when said cats shred stuff.

    Without claws those cats can’t shred stuff, so owners stay happy with their cats.

    ETA We love our five cats, but they have destroyed the living room furniture. Completely shredded it.

  101. 101.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 9:51 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It was only later that they discovered the cat’s name was “Dean Moriarty.”

  102. 102.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 9:51 am

    @sab

    She was executed

    Practically “Yawn. Another day with a ‘y’ in it” at the time.
    ;)

  103. 103.

    Jackie

    April 30, 2024 at 9:52 am

    Re WA state GQP crazies… here’s the source from Rachel Maddow’s segment.

    seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/the-wa-gop-put-it-in-writing-that-theyre-not-into-democracy/

    As an eastern WA DEMOCRAT, these idiots are, thankfully, a minority of the Republican base – much like the noisy OR GQP in eastern OR.

    I wish they’d move to Idaho instead of trying to split both states and merge with ID.

    Ironically, in my Congressional District – Dan Newhouse’s district –  most MAGA signs and flags have all but disappeared after 2022’s elections.

  104. 104.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    April 30, 2024 at 9:53 am

    @RevRick:

    They came in two big waves. The first in the mid 1700s, settling in a 75-mile arc outside of Philadelphia (the PA Dutch), and the second in the 1830s and 1840s, settling in the Mid West.

    You beat me to it.  Those waves were massive too.  My wife’s German ancestors were part of the 1840s wave and settled in the Midwest.  Not all in that wave did.  One of my most recent lines hit in the late 1830s and settled in what is now Jefferson Co WV (eastern panhandle of WV).

    I also have a line that came over in the first wave, an indentured servant of all things.  Did his 7 years outside Philly, then moved to the Hagerstown MD area.  He and his son both enlisted in Apr 1777 in the Continental Army.  His wife must have wanted to throttle him leaving her behind with 3 more kids.

    And then there’s the Schrecks, that’s about as German a surname as one can find.  One of the mystery lines that I can’t trace back in any detail prior to 1800 but they sure as hell probably came over in the that mid-18th Century wave as well.

  105. 105.

    Jeffro

    April 30, 2024 at 9:53 am

    @lowtechcyclist: I hear you 110%

    I used to think (completely pie-in-the-sky, but bear with me) that in addition to being decently compensated, legislators ought to be initially selected just like jury duty for their first term.  They could run again and again if they liked the responsibilities (and voters would have their say); if not, another rep would be selected from the pool of registered voters for that district, etc etc.

    In theory, this would greatly increase investment in the state and local education systems…after all, if ANY nitwit in your district could be selected to be your rep down the road, you’d want them to be pretty sharp and knowledgeable, right?

    But it would be hard to justify pulling someone out of their chosen profession for 2/4/6 years at a time…and the excuses to get out of ‘jury legislative duty’ would no doubt be off. the. hook.  =)

    So…let those with the time and interest voluntarily run, then.  But yeah, let’s pay them well enough that they can take care of their families and come from a range of backgrounds.

  106. 106.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 9:54 am

    @sab: ​

    That’s what I was guessing, but hoping I was wrong.
    I like cats, even the psycho ones (of which we’ve had one or two. OK, maybe one of those was better given to someone else.) If I ever win MegaMillions/Powerball, we’ll probably have a couple more at Chez SFAW.

    ETA: Saw your ETA. Our various cats, over the years, have done a fair amount of damage to our furniture. And at least one or two keep messing up Mrs. SFAW’s knitting. But except for the one — possibly feral, that “fell into our lap” — we’ve loved them all. [The possibly-feral one was given away to a co-worker of Mrs. SFAW, where she seems to be thriving. We attribute that to there being four other cats in our household, and none in the current home.]

  107. 107.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 9:56 am

    @SFAW: I had to look that up, it’s been so long since I read that book. 40 years I’d guess.

  108. 108.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 30, 2024 at 9:57 am

    Trump contempt order.

    FWIW $1000 per violation is the maximum permitted by NY law.  And if you read to the end, you will see Judge Merchan hold jail over Trump’s head for his next violations.

  109. 109.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 9:57 am

    Historical fiction on TCM today, I will watch for Liz speaking to the court.  It’s a barn burner of a speech.

    Host Item
    Journal of Jewish Studies 70,2 (2019) 375-397

    Description
    Ivanhoe (USA, 1952) is one of only a handful of historical films set in medieval Europe, and by far the most significant one, to include Jewish characters. This high-grossing film, ultimately derived from Walter Scott’s 1819 sprawling historical novel, was produced by Pandro Berman, a Jew with explicitly political goals. The film put Jews on to the imagined map of medieval Europe, the bedrock of heritage and identity for North Americans and Europeans, when Jews were not necessarily perceived as ‘belonging’ either in Europe or in European-dominated North America. This article explores how the film countered the anti-Semitism of the era by using the interfaith romances of the Jewess Rebecca (Elizabeth Taylor) to create desire for cross-cultural integration. The film stoked this desire over several decades through the star script of the extraordinarily desirable Taylor, whose conversion to Judaism in 1959 sutured her on- and off-screen bodies even closer together.

  110. 110.

    Indycat32

    April 30, 2024 at 9:58 am

    @TBone: My cats aren’t fond of the posts but love the flat corrugated  cardboard scratchers.

  111. 111.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 9:58 am

    Dammit. Why am I suddenly ravenous at 4 a.m.?

  112. 112.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 30, 2024 at 9:59 am

    @Baud:

    Yes! Improve my chances! 

    Doesn’t change the odds.

  113. 113.

    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 10:00 am

    @geg6: My paternal grandmother’s maiden name was Bruner. Very germanic.

    My married name is Baughman. That goofy spelling identifies us as Swiss not German. My Swiss ancestors were francophone. My husband’s spoke German.

  114. 114.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 10:00 am

    @SFAW: Nope its the three of the four legged sharp clawed variety. My poor furniture.

    So far its been the Craigslist variety. Have to save up for my fancy art supplies.

  115. 115.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 10:00 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Certain things stick in my head.

  116. 116.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 10:01 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I am disappointed. I was waiting for his fat ass to be thrown in Rikers.

  117. 117.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 10:04 am

    @SFAW: I used to be able to say the same.

  118. 118.

    jackmac

    April 30, 2024 at 10:04 am

    @Jeffro: I also keep my NYT subscription for the very same reasons. I want to encourage and support so much good (non-political)  journalism that the Times (and WaPo) still provide.

  119. 119.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 30, 2024 at 10:04 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    If they don’t want to live in a Democracy they can always move. Russia is accepting people with money to steal. 

    Or North Korea.

  120. 120.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 30, 2024 at 10:05 am

    @schrodingers_cat: ​
      That was never going to happen for the first contempt finding. If you read the order, you will see that Merchan notes that this penalty means little to Trump and that is why he is expressly talking about jail for the next violations.

  121. 121.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 10:06 am

    @schrodingers_cat

    Assign him to detention Sit alone in the court on Wednesdays with only the company of a couple of burly bailiffs.

    For further infractions, include a nun with a ruler.
    :)

  122. 122.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 10:06 am

    Maybe someone already commented on it, but: that Clay Bennett “comic” at the top kinda pisses me off (with its attempted Bothsiderism). TRUMP is the one who cannot string two (coherent) sentences together — except when he’s reading off a Teleprompter. That Bennett is pretending it’s a valid criticism of President Biden is laughable/contemptible.​

  123. 123.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 10:07 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: So Merchan is giving him a long rope to hang himself with. Good!

  124. 124.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 10:07 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Maybe you should have pointed the nail gun in a different direction?

  125. 125.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 30, 2024 at 10:08 am

    @Baud:

    Maybe the Republicans will annex Cancun so Ted Cruz can fly domestic. 

    Maybe Texas voters will eventually dropkick Shithead Ted back to Canada.

  126. 126.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 10:09 am

    @mrmoshpotato: ​

    Maybe Texas voters will eventually dropkick Shithead Ted back to Canada.

    And maybe I’ll be declared People magazine’s Sexiest Man Alive.

  127. 127.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 30, 2024 at 10:10 am

    @NotMax:

    Assign him to detention Sit alone in the court on Wednesdays with only the company of a couple of burly bailiffs. 

    What’d those bailiffs ever do to deserve such a punishment?

  128. 128.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 30, 2024 at 10:11 am

    @SFAW: Eventually.

  129. 129.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 10:12 am

    @NotMax: ​
     

    For further infractions, include a nun with a ruler.

    That would only get him horny.

  130. 130.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 10:12 am

    @geg6: howdy, distant relative!  Our clan is large (all my Great Grand Aunts were in the D.A.R. and maternal grandma related to Martha Ball Washington). Can even claim passage on the pilgrim ships.

  131. 131.

    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 10:13 am

    @mrmoshpotato: ​
     
    Keep dreaming.
    [Of course, I would dearly love to be proved worng.]

  132. 132.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 10:13 am

    @mrmoshpotato

    Overtime pay, baby!
    :)

  133. 133.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 10:13 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: 💜 I watched as that part of his Order was read aloud on Moanin’ Joe)

  134. 134.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 10:15 am

    @SFAW: Dawgdamned bump guns! There’s a reason they’re illegal now.

    I read of a guy who came into the ER with a splitting headache. X-rays revealed 2 or 3 finish nails embedded in his skull. The guy had tried to commit suicide with his nailgun. When the first nail didn’t do the job, he tried again and again(?). He should have used a framing gun. A 16 penny nail ought to do the trick.

  135. 135.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2024 at 10:17 am

    @mrmoshpotato: They know what they did.

  136. 136.

    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 10:18 am

    @schrodingers_cat: We have what we thought were Indians up the street. Turns out they are Guyanans. Ethnic Indians who moved to Guyana a couple of generations ago. The Indians and Pakistanis up the street have bonded- soulmates. The Guyananas and the Indians cannot stand each other.

    Ethnicity is weird.

  137. 137.

    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 10:18 am

    @Indycat32: we have all kinds here.  They claw the furniture when they want to get my attention (when I’m watching movies or on here, for instance).  I haven’t yet gone beyond yelling or cajoling – that cold water is gonna be a shock 😆

  138. 138.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 10:20 am

    @OzarkHillbilly

    “Silly rabbit, those are for the torso. That;s why they’re called headless brads.”
    //

  139. 139.

    Soprano2

    April 30, 2024 at 10:21 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: It’s so hard sometimes to keep from yelling at him in frustration. The only thing that prevents it is that I know it won’t help. I’m hoping I can get the helpers to take him for some things so I don’t have to spend an hour waiting for him to get ready.

  140. 140.

    Betty Cracker

    April 30, 2024 at 10:23 am

    @geg6: Pelosi said Trump was the worst jobs president in history, which is true. Tur said something like, well, there was a pandemic. Pelosi said you can be an apologist for Trump if you think that’s your role, but it ain’t mine, and the fact is Trump was the worst jobs president ever, and Biden is the best.

    I’m a big Pelosi fan, but I don’t think the exchange rises to the level of legendary smackdown. Tur simply pointed out the fact that the pandemic began under Trump, which is important context. She didn’t defend his handling of it or anything like that. Shruggies.

  141. 141.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 10:24 am

    @sab: India is huge. Its like it would be if Europe was one country. There is a similar multiplicity of languages and regional differences. If the Indians are from northern India, they will have more in common with people from Pakistan in language and culture. This is before any caste considerations enter the picture.

    Are the Guyanans more working class?

  142. 142.

    Soprano2

    April 30, 2024 at 10:26 am

    @Jeffro: And a complete failure to listen to what TFG tells his supporters as opposed to what he said to the reporter.

  143. 143.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2024 at 10:29 am

    @Kay:

    You are correct. That ban will affect the entire Southeast. Millions of women cut off from access to services

  144. 144.

    Central Planning

    April 30, 2024 at 10:31 am

    @sab: My great-grandmother came over on the boat from Germany. We inherited a family tree from my grandmother that goes back to the 1300s in Germany. One of these days (ha!) I’ll deciper all that scratch and add it to my ancestry.com family tree.

  145. 145.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2024 at 10:32 am

    @Jeffro:

    This entire thing reads like phucking delusion. And, but another example of why the MSM is absolutely trash 😡😡

  146. 146.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2024 at 10:37 am

    @geg6:

    It was beautiful. Nancy Smash just slammed her🤗🤗

  147. 147.

    Gvg

    April 30, 2024 at 10:38 am

    Furniture style contributes to cats being able to damage furniture. So does material. Typically we upholster the whole outside of couches, which cats then regard as scratching posts. The outside does not have anything to do with how comfortable it is. I have been looking at case style couches which have a wood outside the back and side.

    You can also surround the couch with say low bookshelves. There are side tables that cover the arms so you can set drinks there. Which can also protect from claws. And there are arm covers that can be changed and washed. I have found that loose covers don’t seem to be good scratching to the cats, so they don’t bother. I am guessing it’s because they can’t actually pull hard and sharpen the claw.

    The sticky tape damages the furniture.

    Leather comes in different quality. Really thick full grain leather might help but the common super smooth thin (and comfortable) will not. Might. I can’t afford to test it.

  148. 148.

    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 10:42 am

    @Gvg: We had an indestruckable couch upholsterd in a tough fabric that survived 50 years of dog abuse, and one week of cat abuse. Currently it sits in our living room leaking foam stuffing.

  149. 149.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 10:43 am

    @Gvg: An office in my area is selling their leather furniture for a song. And I am tempted but it will be a hassle to transport. And the couch and the chairs look lovely, the leather has aged beautifully.

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    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 10:44 am

    @schrodingers_cat: Very working class.

    ETA  Their property is full of used cars being repaired for resale.

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    NotMax

    April 30, 2024 at 10:45 am

    @sab

    Herculon?

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    indycat32

    April 30, 2024 at 10:46 am

    @TBone: I tried the water thing with my first cat (appropriately named The Devil-Cat).  He just looked at me and kept on scratching.

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    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 10:49 am

    @sab: I do ‘t know about the fabric. It looked like woven wool but wore like cast iron. Tough.

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    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 10:51 am

    @schrodingers_cat: You will be a fool not to have jumped on that furniture.

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    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 10:56 am

    @sab: Well I have a Prius and am tiny. I have to get Mr. Kitteh on board which won’t be easy.

  156. 156.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 10:58 am

    @sab: There is your answer. Caste trumps all. Castes started out as professional groupings strengthened by endogamy.

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    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 11:00 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    To my mind, the response to Tur’s “but-but-but the PANDEMIC” is:

    “Yes, the COVID pandemic started during TFG’s term. But had he addressed it in a rational, non-RWNJ manner, it is highly likely the spread would have slowed significantly — look at South Korea, for example — thus keeping the economy (and potential job creation) going. BUT HE DIDN’T, and he allowed the ‘Oh noes, wearing a mask takes away MAH FREEDUMZ!!!!’ crowd to get away with their anti-science, anti-American BS. And that led into the anti-vaxxers allowing their nutty ideas to keep the country from being fully vaccinated. Despite the best/worst efforts of the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers, President Biden’s economy has done phenomenally well. So, yeah, Donald Trump bears substantial responsibility for HIS economy going in the toilet.”

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    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 11:01 am

    @schrodingers_cat: Also, in America I forget how huge India is. Ohio is two Scotlands. And Scotland is just a blip in Europe.

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    SFAW

    April 30, 2024 at 11:02 am

    @sab: ​

    Ohio is two Scotlands.

    Does that mean Scotland is half as nuts as Ohio?
    ETA: And are you forced to wear different tartans in different parts of Ohio?

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    Jeffro

    April 30, 2024 at 11:04 am

    @rikyrah: it covers a lot of ground and is pretty accurate about what Project 2025 (which trump will certainly sign off on) would do.

    the thing that kills me is any sentence that starts, “trump says…”

    He’s completely full of shit.  He lies like he breathes (possibly more often than he breathes).  So there’s no point in repeating what he says…if it’s full of malice and vengeance, it’s true; if it soft-pedals the malice and vengeance, it’s a lie.

    It’s like these ridiculous interviews with GOP pols at any/every level: why do them live and let them spew their insane BS to your audience?  Tape it, and edit it, adding all of the background and contradictory info that your audience needs.

    Failure on the most basic level.

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    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 11:04 am

    @sab: And just like Europe, India is very old  so there is a tangle of relationships and histories. Its a very complex place to understand even for Indians forget westerners.

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    Marmot

    April 30, 2024 at 11:05 am

    @Jeffro: Why ya reading Time magazine?

    But anyway, it’s funny the writer didn’t apparently mention any historical precedents where a head of state seized “emergency” powers.

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    Soprano2

    April 30, 2024 at 11:06 am

    @sab: Where I grew up there is a “German Church”. I assume it’s Lutheran. It has a Bible verse in German in fancy script on the wall over the altar. Lots and lots of Germans there.

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    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 11:10 am

    @Soprano2: My Irish Scottish grandmother (born 1895) grew up in a German speaking town in Wisconsin. Grandma was fluent in German.

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    Juju

    April 30, 2024 at 11:10 am

    @Soprano2: I never make an appointment for my mother that’s before 1:00 pm. It takes so long for her to get ready because she forgets where we’re going, wants to wear what she had on the day before, even though the clothes are food smeared and so on. It is like dealing with a child in adult skin. Sometimes I just stand and wait and say something along the line of, you don’t get any coffee until you get dressed in the clothes I put out for you. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn’t work. She does complain and call me mean, but then she forgets that I’m mean and we are eventually ready to go, and she’s had her coffee and whatever meal she needs, and on our way.  You’ll figure out what works for you. I wish you luck in getting to your husband’s appointment on time.

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    RaflW

    April 30, 2024 at 11:11 am

    @Jeffro: Time saying “the machinery of Washington has a range of defenses: leaks to a free press” makes it obvious these people haven’t got a frunkin’ clue.

    He’s made it clear he wants to throw multiple reporters in jail. Heather Cox Richardson just pointed out the other day that on several occasions Trump told Barr he wanted to execute leakers in his admin (he was talked out of it, but those people are no where in sight in a potential new dictatorial regime).

    The press still doesn’t believe he’s serious about destroying them. It’s recklessly blinkered

    eta: Your later Time item about Trump semi-threatening to prosecute Biden. Of course he will! These flabby journos relying on quaint notions like “the haven’t found any crimes” is so stupid. Did Pinochet need legit criminal charges to disappear his enemies? Are Putin’s courts dedicated to impartial, blindfolded justice?

    Tha fuck outta here, Time.

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    sab

    April 30, 2024 at 11:12 am

    @SFAW: Being of Scottish ancestry I can already claim at least three tartans.

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    Soprano2

    April 30, 2024 at 11:14 am

    @TBone: I got some slick plastic stuff to stick to my couch to keep it from being shredded. It’s worked pretty well so far. My sister bought a rattan chair. I have no idea what she was thinking with the cats she had. They ruined it, we had to throw it away.

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    Kosh III

    April 30, 2024 at 11:15 am

    Ancestry:  On my father/grandfather side we can clearly trace ancestry to c. 1600 Cork county Ireland.  Then 1682 in Maryland, 1808 here in Warren County TN.
    My mother’s side(both) can be traced to early 18teens in Morgan county TN. (German/English)

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    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 11:17 am

    @Soprano2: I FORGOT about the double-sided tape gambit!  I actually have some clear plastic sticky tape – thank you for the reminder we can stay high and dry 😆

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    Jeffro

    April 30, 2024 at 11:20 am

    @Marmot: I saw it posted on various social media sites!  ;)

    I think I mentioned quite a while back that I post stuff on my FB page from time to time for my Fox-loving relatives to be shocked out of their trump cult trance see.  It was nice to find a good piece about the many horrors trump will gleefully inflict on this country from a source that wasn’t the WaPo (and yet mainstream enough that it might register with said relatives.)

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    Jeffro

    April 30, 2024 at 11:21 am

    OT and non-political for once: I think I know what this ancient Roman artifact was used for…

    LONDON — As the group of amateur archaeologists sifted through tiles, animal teeth and pottery fragments buried within an ancient Roman pit in eastern England last June, one of them encountered something unusual.  It was a cast bronze object, hollow in the middle, flat along 12 faces, about the size of a clenched fist. Only one of the diggers — all members of Norton Disney village’s archaeology society — recognized the discovery: It was a Roman dodecahedron, probably placed there 1,700 years earlier.

    “You’re looking at a very strange and bizarre object,” Richard Parker, secretary of the Norton Disney History and Archaeology Group, said in a telephone interview.  At first glimpse, the dodecahedron looks more like a sci-fi illustration than it does an ancient Roman relic. Each of its pentagon-shaped faces is punctuated by a hole, varying in size, and each of its 20 corners is accented by a semi-spherical knob.

    …it’s a potpourri holder!!

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    TBone

    April 30, 2024 at 11:22 am

    @TBone:

    Wayfaring warrior soul- still wild
    The archer stands
    Arrow measured to the goal- sing of
    Strong and living man
    In his mind there is a vision wand’ring
    Through the forest town
    Telling of riches only given if through the woods
    The way is found

    Crying ‘ah! beautiful dancers. wake up
    From your sleep!
    Ahh! gentle romancers. drink of love so sweet!’

    Treasure glowing in their eyes- forest deep ends
    Dark their dream
    ‘Keep to the pathways,’ he advised, ‘the woods are
    More than they might seem’
    ‘Heed you now the apparition bending never ending
    Sounds
    Calling you into her mystery- are your eyes
    Not sparkling now?’

    Sighing ‘ahh, take you no warning- make no
    Foolish fight
    Ahh, think not of morning- lie here
    Through the night’

    ‘Beauty take us!’ they call ‘in my arms!’
    They hear her say
    Silken web falls- mist illusion rips away
    ‘Helpless! helpless!’ now they scream
    Helpless on the path he stands
    And awakens from his dream singing string
    Beneath his hand

    Gentle archer ages old- release the aim
    Free the goal
    Roll your arrow to my soul- release the aim
    Free the goal

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    Jackie

    April 30, 2024 at 11:26 am

    @Gvg: Wood never deterred my cats. They pick a spot and start carving. Overtime, grooved etchings appear. Patio posts and a wooden bench were two particular favorites.

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    Jeffro

    April 30, 2024 at 11:31 am

    @RaflW: agreed

    I don’t think anyone realizes, if trump gets back into office, his #1 goal is this: “I’m going to make sure that no one questions, ridicules, contradicts, investigates, indicts, or even scares me ever again.”

    And then think about what that really means…what he’ll do

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    schrodingers_cat

    April 30, 2024 at 11:32 am

    @Jackie: My late orange kitteh completely gouged my pine cupboard.

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    Cheryl from Maryland

    April 30, 2024 at 11:52 am

    @RevRick: My German ancestors came over in the 1840s from Prussia.  Got off the boat at Richmond, VA and never left — I still have cousins there.  I feel they were part of the liberal wave who found Prussia under Bismark stifling,  especially since they had enough cash to open a shop upon arrival.

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    MattF

    April 30, 2024 at 11:52 am

    @Jeffro: The different sizes of the holes is a clue. A clue to what, I don’t know.

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    Soprano2

    April 30, 2024 at 11:55 am

    @Juju: I’ve started making mostly afternoon appointments because of this. If I show up at the house and say “It’s time to go to your appointment” he’s already dressed and will get up and come with me. Today took longer because I insisted that he change clothes because he’s been wearing the same clothes for over a week! I wasn’t able to get him to take a shower this weekend because I had to be places at a certain time so I didn’t have two hours to wait for him to be ready to do it. This is something else I may start getting help with.

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    Kayla Rudbek

    April 30, 2024 at 11:59 am

    @sab: post-WWI a lot of people didn’t want to admit that they were German. However the culture still remained (I’ve had to explain to Mr. Rudbek that the Lutherans have no problem with drinking, it’s the Baptists who have made Virginia’s liquor laws weird by comparison)

  181. 181.

    Juju

    April 30, 2024 at 12:19 pm

    @Soprano2: My mother does the same thing, wearing the same outfit too long. I wish I knew how to handle that issue consistently, but sometimes she listens and sometimes she doesn’t listen. Go with whatever works for you and don’t worry, with dementia you get a lot of do overs.

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    Manyakitty

    April 30, 2024 at 12:36 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I find microfiber is claw-resistant.

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    Origuy

    April 30, 2024 at 12:55 pm

    About 30,000 German soldiers were hired by the British Army to fight in the American Revolution. We learned about them in history class as Hessian mercenaries, but not all came from Hesse and they technically were auxiliaries, loyal to their German princes, not mercenaries. About 6,000 stayed in America, including one of my ancestors. He was held as a POW, refused to be repatriated after the war, stayed and married a Pennsylvania woman.

  184. 184.

    Marmot

    April 30, 2024 at 12:58 pm

    @Jeffro: I see. For sure, Time still carries some sort of heft among normie Boomers.

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    Jackie

    April 30, 2024 at 1:10 pm

    @Manyakitty: Microfiber doesn’t tear, BUT does puncture – ending up resembling a well-used pincushion. The best defense I found was regularly blunt trimming kitty’s claws to prevent the needle sharp pointed tips – which causes all the damage to assorted materials.

  186. 186.

    Manyakitty

    April 30, 2024 at 1:18 pm

    @Jackie: sure. Maybe some microfiber wears better than others, because we’re on our second couch with it and it’s in perfect condition despite the efforts of 3 fully-clawed cats.

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    Jackie

    April 30, 2024 at 1:33 pm

    @Manyakitty: I’m sure there’s levels of quality in microfibers.😊

    Another positive for blunt-trimming claws: it saves my thighs from kitty making biscuits when she’s affectionate! Those needle sharp tips drew blood even through my jeans! I don’t want to discourage her affection, thus the trimming. Side benefit is no more furniture damage to speak of – and she still has claws for defense, if needed.

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    RevRick

    April 30, 2024 at 1:52 pm

    @Soprano2: The odds are strong that It’s Lutheran if it’s a German church, but Eastern PA has a slew of different German churches. The church I served was originally a German Reformed Church (Calvinist), which in the 1930s merged with the German Evangelical Church (Fredrick of Prussia forced a merger of Lutherans and Reformeds in 1814) part of the later wave of immigrants, and became St. John’s UCC in 1957, following the merger with the New England based Congregational Christian Church. But the region also has Moravians, Mennonites, Brethren and Schwenkfelders, all German sects.

  189. 189.

    RevRick

    April 30, 2024 at 1:54 pm

    @Cheryl from Maryland: There was a substantial wave following the failed revolutions of 1848 and subsequent conservative repression. My paternal grandfather had cousins located in Texas.

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    RevRick

    April 30, 2024 at 2:10 pm

    @SFAW:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I retired back in 2015, but I saw the handwriting on the wall. It was a poignant tribute, but I feel good about what the church accomplished. The United Church of Christ is only one third the size it was in 1960, partly due to all the controversial stands it took, partly because we’ve been on the leading edge of social change in matters of sex, and partly because we just don’t do evangelism, and partly because we refused to turn our worship services into entertainment.

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    Uncle Cosmo

    April 30, 2024 at 2:50 pm

    @prostratedragon: And in the general WaPo will endorse Hogan over whichever Democrat wins the primary, because wimmin parts blackity black divisive whatever….

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    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    April 30, 2024 at 2:56 pm

    @Melancholy Jaques: I bet the 2 states with “American” are Scot-Irish.

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    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    April 30, 2024 at 3:00 pm

    @TBone: We have scratching posts too, but one cat prefers to scratch on wooden railing of the stairs and lower  corner cabinets in the kitchen. Whoever buys our house is looking at either a total gut job or tear-down and build something new. Of course, it’s a pretty funky owner built house to start with, so I would expect that anyway.

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    Melancholy Jaques

    April 30, 2024 at 3:05 pm

    @NotMax:

    It’s pronounced DAY-vis.

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    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    April 30, 2024 at 3:09 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: No, smooth leather couches show every scratch. Ones with suede fabric do a little better, I think. Of course, fur slides off smooth leather pretty well, so at least the couch isn’t covered with fur.

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    Uncle Cosmo

    April 30, 2024 at 3:14 pm

    @TBone: ​Speaking of the DAR, one of my friends (too long out of touch, alas) told me she qualified for membership through an ancestor who came to the colonies as a Hessian mercenary and later defected to the rebels. He spoke almost no English and had to carry with him at all times a document informing Continental commanders that he was in fact a good and loyal soldier fighting on their side.

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    Corvidarchism

    April 30, 2024 at 3:14 pm

    The WA Republican party denouncing the concept of democracy isn’t even the beginning of the brainworm infestation. The current party chair is a Florida import who was peddling election conspiracy theories in 2020, publicly compared himself to Holocaust victims because of the Covid closures, and has been busily pushing the party closer into the embrace  of white nationalists. He absolutely lost control of the party convention, and despite bellowing “decorum” a bunch of times, delegates pushed their clown car candidate, Semi Bird, an idiot with a history of fraud, threatening teenagers with a gun, more antivaccine idiocy, and being the focus of a school board recall, over Dave Reichert, a less emberassing but just as hard conservative candidate.

    And yeah, the Democrats aren’t all that much better – ESPECIALLY the current Seattle city council. The current council president, Sara Nelson, is currently trying to explain away her support of legislation literally written by Uber and Doordash, that would slash delivery driver wages. And she wants to send the National Guard in downtown. There’s also the massive police pay raise (while they get OT to play Candy Crush and sleep in their illegally parked cars) while the city is facing a budget crunch and services are getting cut.

  198. 198.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    April 30, 2024 at 3:15 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: yes, I saw a segment on TV and his owners flew to CA to be reunited with him. It was at the end of the Stephanie Rule show on MSNBC last night. Apparently the shipping box split on one side so he had enough fresh air to survive. Cats, descended from desert animals can go a while without water, as this cat did. Six days, I think.

  199. 199.

    Jinchi

    April 30, 2024 at 3:43 pm

    @RaflW: ​
      Your later Time item about Trump semi-threatening to prosecute Biden. Of course he will!

    At that point, the rightwingers on the SC will forget their current legal arguments and declare that “of course” the president is subject to prosecution.

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    jlowe

    April 30, 2024 at 3:45 pm

    I just want to apologize to everyone everywhere on behalf of the Inland Northwest.

  201. 201.

    Ksmiami

    April 30, 2024 at 3:58 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: trone

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    Nettoyeur

    April 30, 2024 at 4:46 pm

    @SFAW: I think the actual number is closer to 45% German. The largest documented percentage is in New Ulm, MN, which is over 60%.

  203. 203.

    Citizen Alan

    April 30, 2024 at 5:01 pm

    @Spanky:

    Idiocracy really was a documentary.

    I’ve been on this rant for many years now, so forgive me if I’m repeating myself. But I truly think that Idiocracy was about ten minutes away from being one of the most culturally important satires in the history of motion pictures. Unfortunately, those ten minutes ruin the movie. I’m talking about the six or so minutes at the beginning that blame the rise of the Idiocracy on eugenics, on dumb people simply outbreeding smart people, and the ending which is tacked on bullshit about how Joe gets elected president and starts to make things better.

    Because the truth that Mike Judge could not bear to utter was that the coming Idiocracy is not the result of genetics. It is the result of deliberate efforts by conservative elites in government, the media, and fundamentalist religions to make people stupid so they’re easier to control! The movie should have ended with Joe giving his speech about the benefits of intelligence and education on a tv screen, only for the camera to slowly pan away to show the real directors of Brawndo, all of whom are well-dressed, sophisticated-looking white men who are profoundly displeased. Cue sinister music.

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    Citizen Alan

    April 30, 2024 at 5:07 pm

    @sab: Technically, I claim German ancestry, but it goes back to the late 17th century. The ancestor who gave my mother her maiden name was German and only came to Colonial South Carolina because a storm blew his ship bound for Canada off course. And once he stepped off the ship, the British offered him 10 acres if he’d stay and swear loyalty to the Crown.

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    Geoduck

    April 30, 2024 at 5:14 pm

    Maybe this has already been stated, but speaking as a Washington state resident, our local GOP has been rabidly insane for years, even decades, now.

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    Chris T.

    April 30, 2024 at 9:23 pm

    @Jackie:

    Another positive for blunt-trimming claws: it saves my thighs from kitty making biscuits when she’s affectionate! Those needle sharp tips drew blood even through my jeans!

    The holes in your skin are to let the love in.

    (I trim all our cats’ claws pretty regularly because we don’t actually need the holes…)

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