This *Idaho jury* even asked the judge if they had the power to also make the far right blogger *apologize* to the drag performer.https://t.co/d1fRH4atUT
"Idaho drag performer awarded $1.1 million in defamation case against far-right blogger"
— Mark Pitcavage (@egavactip) May 26, 2024
I don’t know if Mr. Posey will ever see a dime of this, but I’m glad he was publicly exonerated. From the local Couer d’Alene Press, “Jury awards $1.1 million to drag performer”:
A jury has awarded more than $1.1 million in damages to the drag performer who sued a blogger for defamation.
The unanimous verdict was returned Friday. The jury found that blogger Summer Bushnell defamed Post Falls resident Eric Posey when she accused him of exposing himself to the crowd while he performed in drag at the Coeur d’Alene City Park bandshell in June 2022…
Jurors awarded Posey $926,000 in compensatory damages for defamation. Because Posey proved that Bushnell knew her allegations were false when she made them or that she made the accusations with “reckless disregard” for the truth, the jury awarded additional punitive damages in the amount of $250,000.
The day of Posey’s performance, June 11, 2022, Bushnell posted a video of herself discussing the mass arrest of Patriot Front members near City Park, as well as footage from Posey’s performance.
“Why did no one arrest the man in a dress who flashed his genitalia to minors and people in the crowd?” she said in the video. “No one said anything about it and there’s video. I’m going to put up a blurred video to prove it.”
The next day, Bushnell published an edited video she had received from local videographer Jeremy Lokken, which included a blur over Posey’s pelvis. Bushnell told others that the blur concealed “fully exposed genitals” and urged people to contact police.
The edited video garnered many thousands of views, sparking national news coverage and a police investigation. City prosecutors ultimately declined to file charges and stated publicly that the unedited video showed no exposure…
“The jury’s verdict demonstrates a clear message to this community that you have to be truthful,” said Wendy J. Olsen, one of Posey’s attorneys. “The jury did good, hard work. They rendered a tremendous service to the community.”
Posey said Bushnell’s false allegations have changed his life. He said he’s received death threats and faced harassment while edited images of him dancing at the bandshell became the symbol of a national movement against drag. He said the support of his friends helped him survive…
The jury deliberated for about three and a half hours Friday after a five-day trial. Before returning the verdict, jurors asked the court if they could direct Bushnell to take down her posts about Posey and publicly apologize to him. First District Judge Ross Pittman, who presided over the trial, indicated they could not do so.
As of Friday evening, the videos remain on Bushnell’s website and Facebook page…
In a statement published Friday, the North Idaho Pride Alliance expressed gratitude to the jurors and affirmed its commitment to “ensuring the safety and well-being” of North Idaho’s LGBTQ+ community. NIPA organized the annual Pride in the Park celebration where Posey performed in 2022.
The Kootenai Journal
COEUR d’ALENE, Idaho – After a week-long civil trial, Summer Bushnell of The Bushnell Report, was found liable for defamation. The 12-person jury awarded the plaintiff, Eric Posey, a total of $1,176,000 in damages. Both plaintiff a… https://t.co/gDgllhvImT
— Idaho.One (@IdahoOne) May 25, 2024
Per the Associated Press:
… Jurors awarded Posey $926,000 in compensatory damages for defamation. Because Posey proved that Bushnell knew her allegations were false when she made them or that she made the accusations with reckless disregard for the truth, the jury awarded $250,000 in additional punitive damages.
Posey, who uses the stage name Mona Liza Million, performed three times at the Pride in the Park celebration wearing a long-sleeve leotard, black shorts and tights, with a shiny metallic boa around his waist. He did not remove clothing.
The Pride event made national news at the time — not because of Posey’s performances, but because 31 members of a white supremacist group called Patriot Front were arrested nearby and charged with conspiracy to riot…
(Gift link to a 2023 NYTimes article: “5 White Nationalist Group Members Convicted in Plans to Riot at Pride Event”.)
Best part of the day?
This. I cried like a baby.
Thank you @KayeThornbrugh for capturing this moment into today’s news coverage. 😭😭😭 https://t.co/YnDWC9Z6KH pic.twitter.com/5xZ1auwlRS
— Alicia Abbott (@abbottalynn) May 25, 2024
Bloggers lying about people can be very expensive.
Idaho has a whole bunch of bloggers who regularly lie about people.
The conversations in their network right now must be passionate.#idpol https://t.co/VnzIQ4AUVJ
— Russell Mann (@therussmann) May 26, 2024
rikyrah
Sue ALL OF THEM 😡😡😡
twbrandt
Amazing, and extremely gratifying. Maybe things aren’t quite as bleak as they seem.
Baud
🥔👍
Harrison Wesley
Message for Summer: Winter Is Coming
Odie Hugh Manatee
Excellent! I hope he can have her hounded until she pays up what she owes. That she still has the video up tells me that she refuses to admit to her viewers that she’s a fucking liar. She admitted in court that she saw no bare genitalia, thus admitting she has defamed the plaintiff.
I hope other conservative Christian liars are sweating about this. A jury in a conservative state ruled against a lying conservative and awarded damages. There were some damned good people on that jury that did the right thing.
sab
I still don’t see why she cannot be required to take the post down.
H.E.Wolf
Also Idaho- and LGBTQ-related: a recent speech by Charlotte Clymer to a group of Idaho Democrats.
https://charlotteclymer.substack.com/p/remarks-to-bonneville-county-democrats
smith
@sab: I don’t either. By leaving it up, the defamation continues.
Baud
@H.E.Wolf:
Nice. Thanks for posting.
Steeplejack
Genius timing, A.L.! Two minutes before the regularly scheduled “Medium Cool.”
Chet Murthy
@smith: One would hope that Mr. Posey, like Ms. E. Jean Carroll, can sue again for further damages until the damn defamatory content is brought down.
I have to say, I feel like something needs to be done so that deep-pocketed malefactors can be made to cough up these damages awards. Alex Jones, TFG this jamoke Bushnell, and the list goes on and on, of people who just somehow seem able to flout the law.
Scout211
Which seems to have disappeared.
WaterGirl
@Scout211: I’ll put it up next week.
NotMax
@WaterGirl
Perfectly cromulent to wait until the top of the next hour. We’re nothing if not a flexible bunch.
dmsilev
@sab: Does the jury have the legal authority to issue an order like that? Sounded like the judge said no, but the story didn’t really give any details on that aspect. Hopefully his lawyers will keep going after her until she does take them down.
Brachiator
Great verdict. It is insane to know that the blogger thought that she could get away with lying about the performer.
JoyceH
Seems like defamation is becoming a growth sector for the legal profession. Train more, we need ‘em all.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Steeplejack:
You’re too early to kill the thread. ;)
PaulB
A response to the original lawsuit on Facebook, copied verbatim. The duplicate text, misspellings, and incoherence are all in the original post.
Yeah, what is this world coming to that you cannot lie and defame someone?!
hueyplong
@smith: So sue again. Punitive damage multiplying malice seems to be established beyond question.
Anne Laurie
… To be followed, at some unpredictable interval, by Adam’s (important!) nightly Ukraine update, and possibly the Blogmaster’s (also important) mood-of-the-evening update.
I wanted to get this good news up while people could still see it, and also give everyone a space for comments that were not Medium Cool!
Hoodie
@Brachiator: After years of Trump getting away with similar or worse, not that surprising. The Carroll case is really the first instance of any accountability, and that’s NY. She might have thought she was safe in Idaho.
Harrison Wesley
@PaulB: Looks like AI-generated MAGAspeak. MAGAphonics?
smith
They get away with defaming people all the time. I suspect by now they feel entitled to lie about random people to serve their own purposes. After all, Rudy was continuing to lie about Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss even after the defamation verdict against him, and only stopped recently when he was threatened with further legal action. It took losing what will probably amount to $100 million before the Defendant stopped defaming E. Jean Carroll.
Suzanne
These right-wing psycho liars better be careful: public opinion on this issue isn’t where they think it is. Too many straight cis women have had fun at gay bars and drag nights. The normie position isn’t hatred.
wjca
Perhaps he can sue her again if it remains up. Clearly, after this verdict, the case would be a slam dunk.
EDT Chet Murthy got there first
TBone
@Chet Murthy: Rudy comes to mind…ew, ugh, brain bleach please! Stat!
Sally
They say what they desperately want to be true. She probably believes “he wanted to have exposed himself”, and that’s justification enough. They have tortuous threads to convince themselves of their righteousness. “I voted for my dead mother because I knew how she would would have voted – that’s not voter fraud”. Deluded isn’t a strong enough concept.
PaulB
From an earlier article about the lawsuit, while it was underway:
Five frames of video?! From an upscaled and brightened video? How on earth could you even manage to have your genitals appear in just five frames of video? Oh, and get this:
Bushnell testified that she saw “the faint outline of a testicle” in the upscaled, brightened images, and that she posted the blurred video, rather than the unedited video, because she thought:
Unbelievable. Or, rather, all too believable.
Betty Cracker
@Anne Laurie: I’m glad you posted this — love a good FAFO story!
Speaking of which, i just discovered that Sedition Panda, recently convicted and awaiting sentencing for assaulting cops on 1/6 while wearing a giant panda costume head, lives in my county! Not for long, hopefully — sounds like he’ll be off to Club Fed despite having drawn a Trumpy judge.
TBone
I don’t want to rain on this parade. I think Digby may be right, though. I dearly, dearly hope she is wrong!
https://digbysblog.net/2024/05/26/buckle-up-2/
smith
@Sally: You should see some of the MAGA accounts of the Defendant’s reception by the Libertarians last night. According to them, the libertarians loved him. I saw where one RW “news” outlet even altered the sound track to make it seem the audience was chanting in support.
TBone
@Betty Cracker: there were furries at J6? What the…
Glad he’s getting his Finding Out – a blogger recently expressed a desire for a commemorative china plate collection (buy ten and DePape is free!) to celebrate every seditionist’s prison sentence. I want the Panda plate!
smith
@TBone: I’ll wait for the UUUGE platter with the pumpkin motif.
Harrison Wesley
@PaulB: It’s a miracle! The Vision of the Testicle!
TBone
@smith: 😆❤️
PaulB
That would be a miracle, all right. Let’s see … a typical video runs at 30 frames per second, so 5 frames of video would be 1/6 of a second. They couldn’t arrange for a longer miracle?
Although, come to think of it, there is an anecdote told of Walt Disney, that some of his people decided to test his legendary ability to spot flaws in a video by inserting a single frame of a nude woman in an internal screening of a Mickey Mouse cartoon.
Walt did indeed spot the image, and was actually pleased at the prank, since it confirmed his acuity.
Suzanne
@PaulB:
I mean, I saw that in those (fantastic) pictures of Jon Hamm that went viral a few years ago. That was awesome.
ETA: Perhaps not so faint.
satby
@Anne Laurie: Which some of us appreciate.
PaulB
LOL…. At least you’re not claiming that Hamm was nekkid in those pictures.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
This is why the modern GOP has always been so keen on “reforming” the tort system: it’s a backstop in certain ways against their worst excesses.
NotMax
@TBone
Matching ketchup and mustard containers?
“Please do squeeze the shaman.”
HumboldtBlue
I just finished reading this story linked from Reddit. Great news. That Mrs. Potato head looking twat is going to be paying him for the rest of her life.
Gunga Dean
A lying conservative. How on brand!
Eyeroller
@PaulB: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/walt-disney-naked-woman-frame/
You can’t really see one frame at the 24 frames per second rate, much less 30 frames per second. Even the “subliminal advertising” turned out to be mostly a scam.
hells littlest angel
Right-wingers, when IDAHO is sick of your shit, it’s time to get a clue.
lowtechcyclist
Doesn’t that describe everything Dump says, anytime he opens his mouth, or tweets, or whatever? It’s his standard setting.
Jackie
@twbrandt:
This is IDAHO. I’m very stunned, but happy justice was served, but this isn’t going to be the new norm!
Chet Murthy
@Jackie: Same here. I visited Moscow, ID for a conference in 1990, and learned that a Black man had been found hanged in Coeur d’Alene sometime before that. ID has been on my list of “never visit” places ever since. Can’t say that I’m gonna change that, but …. it’s still shocking that ID citizens decided this sort of gay-bashing was unacceptable. I mean, shocking in an excellent way of course.
Suzanne
@Chet Murthy: Lots of Californians have been moving to Boise and its surrounds. Still a lot of Mormons and MAGA types, but probably slightly bluer than it used to be.
smith
@Chet Murthy: Yes, it’s heartening to see they found 12 fair people in Idaho, but I can’t forget that Idaho is the state where, by law, a pregnant woman with a life-threatening miscarriage must be sent home to die rather than allow ER doctors to perform the abortion that would save her. The people of Idaho voted for that.
Jackie
@smith: Back to TIFG’s greatest hits: “Don’t believe your eyes and ears! Believe MEEEEE!!!”
smith
@Jackie: I’m surprised he isn’t screaming the Libertarian nominating vote was rigged after he got 6 of the 800 votes cast.
wjca
Still, because it is Idaho, it seems likely to generate an increase in suits from people hit with defamation. After all, bringing such a suit entails a cost/benefit analysis — and the probable benefit (involving, as it does, the chances of winning) just shifted upwards.
Eolirin
@smith: They didn’t really though. That’s the thing. Some of them maybe get what they’re enabling, but, we can sit here and look at these situations and be all, if you vote for these people this is obviously what’s going to happen, if you support bans on abortion it’s going to mean there’s no ER services for miscarriages and pregnancy complications… But the truth of it is that the vast majority of normie Republican voters do not get that cause and effect.
They haven’t thought through policy consequences and they don’t vote for their candidates because of them. The tribal identification is what motivates. And I’ll say this isn’t that different for normie Dem voters.
That’s why we can win so many ballot initiatives when policy comes up, even in really red states, why liberal policy tends to poll really well, with some exceptions, while we still lose elections in red states.
If you asked a lot of those voters if that situation was okay, a lot of them will say no. Not all of them but a lot of them. If you then asked if they’d vote for a Democrat, they’d look at you like you suggested voting for Satan.
SoupCatcher
@Suzanne: Felt like every LAPD officer who retired moved to Idaho. When I still lived in Los Angeles the “and you know why” was understood.
karen marie
@smith:
I’d say that’s a bit unfair. They voted for it insofar as they elected the members of the Idaho legislature. The last election for the Idaho House and Senate was in November 2022. Dobbs was decided in June 2022, I believe.
The criminalization of women’s healthcare in Idaho was passed by their legislature in April 2023.
Let’s see what happens in November 2024, when the legislators who wrote and voted for criminalizing women’s healthcare are up for reelection.
Chet Murthy
@karen marie: I find it difficult to believe that these G(r)OPer legislators in ID haven’t been hanging out their freak flag all these years. But hey, maybe ID voters were misled all that time, and now that the mask has been ripped off, ID will go Blue.
I won’t hold my breath.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Back from a quick trip to the ER to get a cut in Mr DAW’s hand stitched up. He fell in our ceramic tiled hallway while holding a glass. It broke, of course. Nine stitches. The other casualty was a chair in our hallway that’s has white upholstery. The blood is never coming out of that. OTOH, Mr DAW is okay, so win.
smith
@Eolirin: I understand that many voters are ignorant of the probable results of their voting choices, but I think a lot of that is willfull denial. It’s a way to avoid making decisions about complicated issues and to dodge difficult cost-benefit considerations. They default to a comfortable, thoughtless, almost childlike faith that the party they’re familiar with will take care of them.
Maybe I’m just a cranky old curmudgeon at this point, but I’m not willing to forego criticizing people who take that easy way out. Just because a large proportion of voters shirk the ethical responsibility to make thoughtful voting decisions doesn’t mean I will refrain from roasting them for it.
Jackie
@smith: He explained that away by saying he “purposely” didn’t fill out the required paperwork, so he wasn’t eligible anyway. And, he said he couldn’t legally run for two parties concurrently.
BUT, had he been eligible “HE WOULD HAVE WON THE NOMINATION!”
The real reaction to his speech brought back his speech at the United Nations when he was laughed at.
zhena gogolia
So I guess no Medium Cool tonight?
Yutsano
Pull the other one. It has bells on it.
I started college at Boise State University. This was way back in 1990. And even though I never truly felt threatened I knew trying to be honest about myself wasn’t going to fly even though there would have been people who would have stood with me. And back then a Democrat had a chance to get elected in the Boise area. No more. I’ve watched that place go incredibly toxic from one state over that I don’t know how any queer person could ever feel safe there.
WaterGirl
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Major win! So sorry that happened, but glad he is okay.
NotMax
@Dorothy A. Winsor
it’s now the Lady Macbeth chair.
:)
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
I haz a disappoint as well.
O. Felix Culpa
@Anne Laurie: I, for one, welcome your post. Medium Cool isn’t everyone’s cuppa. Besides, I think we can handle both!
Dorothy A. Winsor
@NotMax: Good point! Out damned spot!
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia: It’s a quiet holiday weekend, not enough BJ peeps here to support two posts at the same time, and this one went up 2 minutes before 7.
My post for tonight will go up next week at the usual time.
Jackie
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Holy Cow! Glad your husband is relatively ok! Did he hit his head when he fell? If so, monitor him for concussion!
Re the chair, try a thick paste of oxyclean. Or… as the saying goes, chairs are replaceable…
dmsilev
@Jackie: You’d think that someone who was President and currently is effectively the head of a multi-million person cult would get sufficient ego-stroking for anyone, but apparently not. He needs more More MORE adulation.
CaseyL
Was it someone here who recommended the book “Wide Awakes:The Forgotten Force That Elected Lincoln and Spurred the Civil War”?
Because I am reading it now and, 50 pages in, the hair on my neck is stuck in the upright position.
This is a book everyone should read. It’s about a national popular militia that formed in opposition to slavery – and also in opposition to the distorting effects the politics of slavery had on the country. Hideous parallels to today: a small, wealthy population who used the Electoral College and the judiciary to consolidate and preserve their power and privileges even as most of the country no longer agreed with them, but was unable or unwilling to oppose them effectively.
I really need to finish this book and talk to people about it.
wjca
The whole (theoretical) reason for representative, as opposed to direct, democracy is so that people don’t have to be familiar with the details of legislation. They elect others to represent them. Others who have the time and/or expertise to get familiar with legislation.
There can be lots of reasons for their selection, from tribalism to single issues to “pick the incumbent because things are mostly OK.” And, in normal circumstances, those aren’t unreasonable reasons.
What can break people out of those easy patterns is when something goes sideways, and they perceive that the incumbents either caused the problem or failed to address it promptly. That second piece is why the “red wave” two years ago didn’t happen.
It can take a while for voters to register that their representative not only hasn’t addressed the problem, but is working to make it worse. But, as that realization seeps thru, there are going to be some very astonished and upset GOP incumbents. In some unexpected places. Places like Kansas and Kentucky, where initiatives in response to Dobbs passed by big margins. Maybe not this year, maybe not in two years, but sooner than even compulsive optimists on the left currently expect.
Mr. Bemused Senior
Gives me time to think about the premise.
Mr. Bemused Senior
Endowed at the Unseen University
O. Felix Culpa
The jury’s decision is encouraging, especially given the probably conservative jury pool they were drawn from. They took their jobs seriously considering the law and the evidence. I hope that bodes well for the TFG trial too, with ordinary citizens looking thoughtfully at what they’ve seen and heard and coming to a fair decision.
Anne Laurie
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Glad he’s okay!
Tip from a clumsy person, though: The ‘shatterproof’ acrylic glasses we got as a housewarming gift 30 years ago don’t look or feel cheap / chintzy, ifyouknowwhatImean…
O. Felix Culpa
@O. Felix Culpa:
Adding a little to my previous comment, I’ve only served on a jury once. I was positively impressed by how seriously my fellow jurors–just ordinary people–took their duty, and how thoughtfully they discussed the evidence and the charges. Not everyone agreed initially, but the discussion moved everyone to a unanimous verdict. Not through pressure, but through reasoned argument. It may not happen that way every time, but this experience restored my faith that the jury process can act work like it’s supposed to.
Jackie
@Anne Laurie: Almost all my “glassware” is acrylic! It started with teenaged boys (only one was mine lol) constantly breaking drinking glasses… I love them! No separate glasses for indoors and outdoors! 😁
Geminid
@WaterGirl: Well, as my late friend Chris would say, it will be good when I get it. I hope you have a nice evening and a good Memorial Day.
Sister Golden Bear
Good. Now do Libs of TikTok. Sue them all into oblivion.
O. Felix Culpa
@Sister Golden Bear: Yes. That woman is vile.
BeautifulPlumage
@O. Felix Culpa:
@O. Felix Culpa:
I totally agree with your comment, and I’ve been on several juries.
like a metaphor
She probably has never seen a testicle in real life before. Is there a special word for female incels?
BeautifulPlumage
@Sister Golden Bear:
yes!
Lyrebird
@Sister Golden Bear: From your lips to the Spaghetti Monster’s ears! That Raichik person has endangered multiple people’s lives imnsho…
Thank you so much @Anne Laurie: for sharing some good news.
satby
@NotMax: jeezus, it’s been the same post for years: “x, whaddya think?” Even BG bailed on it.
Variety is the spice, and all that. Besides, I have it on good authority we’re not supposed to complain, we’re supposed to scroll on by. Or so I’ve heard.
satby
@Jackie: My kid dropped an entire bottle of red wine on a beige rug, and oxi got all of it out after it had been dried in for a day before I found out.
Geminid
@O. Felix Culpa: I have a friend in Atlanta who served on juries in three trials, one criminal and two civil. His thought those juries took their task seriously and really wanted to “get it right.”
O. Felix Culpa
@Geminid: That’s so encouraging to hear. I’m glad mine was not an isolated experience, and it gives me hope for the NYC trial and other trials of TFG to come, whenever that will be.
Geminid
@O. Felix Culpa: My friend had an interesting perspective. Georgia calls attorneys to serve on juries, and Warren was one. He wasn’t exactly a trial lawyer (although he did some trial work), but he was a very sharp attorney.
Warren is also very scrupulous, which is why he avoided being a foreman, or even contributing much in deliberations. He did not want to sway any votes besides his own.
karen marie
@wjca: Let’s hope so!
Liminal Owl
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Owww! Glad Mr DAW is OK.
rikyrah
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Glad that he is okay
wjca
Likewise. The vast majority of people, the vast majority of the time, seem to take the job seriously, and really work to get it done right.
If only we could convince them all to take voting as seriously as jury duty.
NotMax
@satby
YMMV. I like perusing what others are (or are not) enjoying/recommending from a variety of media.
Ruckus
@O. Felix Culpa:
I’ve served on juries and had the same experience each time.
It’s been a while though and I wonder if I’ll get called again or do we age out. It is part of this country that we do this and be actual citizens regarding other citizens.
lurker
Insomnia and dead threads … a couple of observations –
First, juries generally provide a determination of whether someone is liable in a civil case (e.g. defamation) and a measure of damages. Liability is basically did the person or company do things that fulfill the specific violation of statute or common law the other side claims. Damages are what were the actual harm and how do we put a dollar figure on that. The actual damages are ultimately decided by the judge, though the judges generally go with what the jury says unless it seems outrageous (or even if it is outrageous).
Civil cases also often include a request for injunctive relief. That can even include an order requiring an apology, although any civil litigator will tell you that is a waste of time for a bunch of reasons. Most injunctive relief involves putting something right – fill in the hole you dug, tear down the structure you illegally built on my property. In this case the injunctive relief is likely to include taking down the offending posts and not further spreading these adjudicated lies. Injunctive relief is imposed by a court in a judicial order and is not determined by the jury. A judge could include jury instructions which ask the jury if something should be imposed, but that would be unusual in most cases.
So, the jury could not order the blog post be taken down. That is a decision for the judge and likely something that is already in the works. Rudy and Trump were both ordered to stop lying about people and they violated those orders, resulting in continued damages and increasing punitive penalties. This blogger will likely get a similar opportunity to either take the post down or start getting additional penalties heaped on to the overall liability.
Second, Coeur d’Alene is in a moderate part of Idaho. Which is probably a way of saying it is impressively dark red, but not red enough to look black the way a fair portion of Idaho is. Boise does have a lot of transplants from out of state, and there are other areas near Boise, mainly westward, which have some similar infusions. All of those areas are in the far southern end of the state, nearer to the Oregon border. Coeur d’Alene is in the northwest part of the state near Spokane, WA. It has had a fair amount of publicized resistance to federal power and white power in various incidents through the years. Nothing is uniform and there are fair-minded people of both red and blue persuasions there, but being an out and proud liberal would not be a choice for a get-along type of person in Coeur d’Alene.
The idea that this jury produced this result in this area is pretty impressive, but not an indication that Idaho is evolving – they would reject evolution in most of the state as heresy.
zhena gogolia
@satby: no one’s complaining about the existence of this thread. We’re complaining about the loss of the thread we like which no one else needs to read if they don’t want to.
louc
@smith
Because they got away with it when they went after the Clintons, the Obamas, John Kerry, and other *public* officials, they forgot that SCOTUS differentiated between people in the public sphere and private everyday citizens.
It’s ironic that Trump & Co want to get rid of Sullivan v. the NYT. When DeSantis proposed a law repealing it, guess what forms of media were most vehement against his proposed legislation? (Hint: begins with F, ends with X and begins with O and ends with N)
satby
@zhena gogolia: and WG could have posted it later, as she frequently has caused other front pagers to have to do. She chose to tantrum about her sacred schedule, and pulled it entirely, which is on her. She deprived you of it, not AL.
Geminid
@satby: WaterGirl did kick a little, but I wouldn’t call that a tantrum. I mean I’ve seen tantrums but that wasn’t one.
zhena gogolia
@Geminid: The hostility toward Water Girl on this blog is something I do not understand. It comes from both commenters and front-pagers, and it’s one of the few things I hate about this place.
Geminid
@zhena gogolia: I think the front pagers can work out their occasional conflicts, and that commenters ought to give them the space to do that.
satby
@Geminid: the tantrum was not just posting it later, as others have often done. Then others would do the work of complaining for her.
@zhena gogolia: and you never wondered why that might have developed after years of other front pagers coming and going without it? Consider ourselves lucky they just vent, because others have just bailed. Anyway, enough. AL gave us a great thread and I for one was grateful.
StringOnAStick
@zhena gogolia:
@Geminid:
Agreed. That people think it’s ok to snipe at people who keep this place running FOR FREE astounds me. What we tell wingnut is if it’s not your body, you don’t get to choose; how is that different from if the post doesn’t interest you, scroll on by? Such BS. Maybe because Watergirl always monitors the comments on her posts to free new posters or whatever, she decided to save it for a different time. Medium cool is throne series I’m least likely to read but I don’t even think about complaining that I have to suffer through scrolling by.
Geminid
@satby: I was grateful for this thread too, and I had no problem with its timing either. But I thought calling WaterGirl’s reaction a “tantrum” was an exaggeration that needed to be pointed out because it was not warranted.