Did Eric just say he’s confident they are going to win because they’re white?
?? @ScooterCasterNY pic.twitter.com/n59lY0oSnX
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) May 28, 2024
Vox populi numbers not looking great for TFG…
STOP THE COUNT pic.twitter.com/EyP22ahI3t
— Finnegans Take (@LittleMammith) May 29, 2024
Trump supporters are now CRYING as they pray for him outside of the courtroom during jury deliberations. It’s a cult. These people absolutely need to seek help. This is insane. pic.twitter.com/BcNptfTG01
— Harry Sisson (@harryjsisson) May 29, 2024
The mood in MAGA land right now:
"Run bro" pic.twitter.com/FAASuOQwm6
— Peter Henlein (@SwissWatchGuy) May 29, 2024
If ‘the worst’ *should* happen, J.D. Vance will deny Trump three times before cockcrow:
A strongly worded letter after the trial is over to DOJ. Vance really knows how to get things done. pic.twitter.com/aaI2TWTala
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) May 29, 2024
Trump press secretary says their Project 2025 agenda will seek “revenge” on those who oppose Trump, adding that criticizing Trump is a “crime” that requires “justice” pic.twitter.com/HDUNeaIRsF
— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) May 30, 2024
Not the best Downfall parody I’ve seen, but I did snort-laugh at the Melania line…
Downfall: The Jury Deliberates pic.twitter.com/8M3alG4Glt
— FriendlyKozak ???? (@KvotheTheArcane) May 29, 2024
NotMax
“I demand a recount!”
//
Chet Murthy
Too unrealistic: TFG will never admit defeat, even in private. He’ll be dancing until the end.
patrick II
I read the Harvard graduate J. D. Vance statement and wondered if repeatedly saying stupid stuff to a stupid audience, does it eventually make you stupid too?
Jay
@NotMax:
0?
Checked it 4 times.
NotMax
No bad time to touch base with Gilbert & Sullivan, in this case from Trial by Jury.
;)
bjacques
EDIT: 🎼 Summertime, and the cult are uneasy 🎶
I think Trump’s female supporters should sit on the sidewalk outside the courthouse, with heads shaved and carve “T” on their foreheads.
”Right on, Donnie!”
Villago Delenda Est
“I’m a grower not a shower!”
TBone
Those fake tears are almost as delicious as the real tears they’re gonna cry come Roevember. Today’s Heather Cox Richardson quotes our President and Vice President during yesterday’s trip to Girard College in Philly
If that 👀 doesn’t wake people the hell up, I don’t know what will. The other winning statement that stuck out for me is
Cry harder nimrods! We’re taking you to the cleaners soon.
rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun)
@TBone: Don’t expect same-day service, these assholes are too dirty for that.
rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun)
@Chet Murthy: Will we even be able to see his orange jumpsuit against his orange skin?
JoyceH
@rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun): surely you don’t think he’ll be allowed cosmetics in the slammer? No, he’ll be pasty white.
NotMax
@Villago Delenda Est
“Allow me to demonstrate for the court.”
//
Splitting Image
One way to look at it is this: you know all of those articles we’ve been seeing the last few days about how the Democrats are DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOMED?
If they were at all confident that Trump will walk out of the courtroom a free man, they would be crowing about that. Instead they are ignoring the story unfolding right now in favour of horserace coverage that can’t be proven either way for another five months.
I doubt that Vance is the only one who is going to have never heard of the man in his life, whatever his name was, if the verdict doesn’t go the way they want.
TBone
@rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun): nothing (well, almost nothing) makes me smile as widely as butthurt cultists. Need some ointment for that? 😆
TBone
@JoyceH: and BALD 😆🥰😳
Bug-eyed, bald headed CHICKEN FUCKER
Ruckus
@patrick II:
YES.
The stupid can attack anyone, but people who run around in circles shouting stupid on a continuous basis often find that one of the few customers for their bullshit is themselves. It creates a circle of stupid which overrides any and all intelligent thought.
NotMax
@Splitting Image
“I’m going to sing the doom song now.”
:)
rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun)
@JoyceH: There’s a pic of Elon Musk on the intertubez where he’s on a boat and not wearing a shirt, and he is pasty white. Like, when he goes outside at night he gets a moonburn*. He looks like an open can of biscuits. No, I won’t link to the pic, I don’t want to get banned.
* I too am a pasty white man who gets moonburned easily
rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun)
@TBone: Even Boudreaux’s Butt Paste couldn’t help the maganauts!
TBone
Having been the victim of swatting myself, this fucking enrages me. Way back machine: my then BF’s ex called him one evening demanding to know who he was with. I could overhear her on the phone from my seat several feet away and said, jokingly, “Get a life!” I wasn’t on the phone, merely nearby, speaking that to my BF to relieve his tension. She reported that I had threatened her life, the cops busted in, and I spent the cold night in jail in my lingerie, only later covered up by my BF’s sweatpants.
NotMax
@rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun)
Their first album stalled at #88 on the Top 100, didn’t it?
:)
Jay
@NotMax:
Boov death song,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyWvu4DO98
TBone
@rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun): I have a meme of Katie Porter using fElon’s pasty tummy as her whiteboard 😆
opiejeanne
Goddammit, we’re in bed and the garage door just opened.
TBone
@TBone: my attorney employer’s best friend was the top rated, absolute best criminal attorney in the County at that time. I was given his very high dollar services for free, as the ex who swatted me was the clerk of one of our right wing County judges. The case was dismissed. Happy ending!
I hope Mom Fanone is able to sue the pants off those mfers.
NotMax
@opiejeanne
Pet playing with the remote clicker?
TBone
Schadenfreude is what’s for breakfast, mmmmmm, yummy!
https://digbysblog.net/2024/05/29/maga-meltdown/
Shit yourself harder, Dotard! I’ve been stirring my cauldron for a couple days now, sending out my “best intentions” for ya!
rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun)
@NotMax: They should’ve started with a different single than “Pain In the Ass”
opiejeanne
@NotMax: That would be a neat trick. The remote was in the car, which is parked outside because the stuff for the bathroom remodel is in the garage, waiting until June or July or August to be installed. Dave went out and discovered that the car was unlocked, so he locked it. Then he went out the front door and wandered around but no one was there. So I went down and got the stupid remote out of the car and took the battery out.
A couple of days ago the garage door was open and neither one of us had opened it. I’m hoping it was just the remote acting up and not the opener itself. Tomorrow I’m going to get him a ladder so he can reach the cord that disables the stupid thing.
It’s just creepy when this happens, and now I’m wide awake. Phooey.
TBone
Snoopy, sitting at his rooftop typewriter:
Hookers and blow for everyone! 😆
NotMax
@rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun)
Whereas the flip side, “Turn the Other Cheek” had a beat and you could dance to it.
:)
NotMax
@opiejeanne
“Poltergeists. Yeah, that’s the ticket.”
//
TBone
I want Dotard’s alarm clock to play this every morning just like in Groundhog Day 🎶😆
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IQi546UqfT4
My poor neighbors, I’m outside playing this at 4:25 am 🤣
Manyakitty
@opiejeanne: I lived in a house with a garage door like that. It also had a cold spot and an unfinished room where the skeleton key in the door lock occasionally ended up on the landing and the door would be open with the light on. It was a little spooky.
TBone
@Manyakitty: I would’ve nailed that door shut and salted the ground.
NotMax
@opiejeanne
Mores seriously, do you have an external number pad attached outside? Big house on the property does and if someone forgets to close the lid on it after correctly entering the code (even days later) it remains active and will trigger the door whenever the enter button is pressed until such time as the lid is closed. So sensitive a strong gust of wind could do it.
AxelFoley
@NotMax:
“Excuse me while I whip this out.”
Manyakitty
@TBone: it got creepier all the time. Neat house, but yikes.
Jeffg166
Somehow I think those crying women are paid actors.
opiejeanne
@NotMax: No, no external number pad. There is a button inside the garage next to the door into the house. I’m worried that that might be the issue, because we don’t have much extra money to fix that while the bathroom is sucking up so much cash.
Manyakitty
@Jeffg166: who would think to find unemployed actors in NYC? Lolololol you’re almost certainly right. Didn’t they get caught advertising on Craigslist for seat fillers at their little klan rallies?
NotMax
@Jeffg166
Quasi-obligatory?
:)
opiejeanne
@Jeffg166: That emotional woman in the video reminds me of the mother of some wealthy miscreant in Europe (?) who acted like that outside her son’s house while the cops were trying to locate him to arrest him. I think she threatened suicide at one point, she went on a hunger strike that lasted about 3 hours, and wept and wailed but only if there was a camera nearby.
TBone
A proper salute to Dotard and all of his cult
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fthis-pic-has-sparked-my-creativity-for-an-embroidery-design-v0-amv607336d3d1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df10b31983d772c798204f04906df96a5d712764c
mrmoshpotato
@rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun):
LOL!
NotMax
Am I alone in finding Eric’s invocation of “my father” every other sentence in any interview an eerie parallel to Norman Bates’ use of “my mother?”
Just askin’.
mrmoshpotato
@opiejeanne:
And then the garage band you didn’t know you had started to JAM!
TBone
@mrmoshpotato: 😆
mrmoshpotato
@TBone:
Someone knows how to celebrate Balloon Juice After Dark!
TBone
@NotMax: I can’t watch him long enough to get squicked out by that. But I see the distinct resemblance!
TBone
@mrmoshpotato: fuckin’ A
NotMax
@mrmoshpotato
Woo hoo!! ? and the Mysterians cover band.
:)
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: Obligatory
mrmoshpotato
@Manyakitty: All actors at Dump’s campaign announcement in 2015.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: Scooby Doo and the Mysterians?
NotMax
@mrmoshpotato
“Those were legal expenses. Isn’t everything?”
NotMax
@mrmoshpotato
For the young’uns, their major hit.
;)
Manyakitty
@mrmoshpotato: frauds and scammers all the way down.
mrmoshpotato
@NotMax: Ah. Skipped my mind.
mrmoshpotato
@Manyakitty: Yup. For decades.
TBone
@NotMax: perfect
Ramalama
@TBone: holy shit bird. That’s awful.
TBone
“Right in the butt.” 😆
Oh, is it not BJ after dark now?
Kimmel:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HmPGGuWM45A
TBone
@Ramalama: yeah but she thought she had some pull (see my comment #25) and that I’d be convicted so ha ha – the Chief of Police actually came down to lockup in the basement the next morning and apologized to me 😆 my employer represented all the Fraternal Orders of Police for DelCo and 5 or 6 surrounding Counties and his best friend was a hero criminal attorney. DelCo is now blue for the first time since the Civil War.
The cops told my boss they rarely met someone as “abrasive” as me. That’s a wonderful memory, because I was always so polite in the office 😂 I had snarked at them the entire ride to the police station “Don’t you have any real criminals to catch tonight?”
raven
raven
“A second with your hand on a hot burner is like a lifetime, a lifetime with a beautiful woman is like a second!” Happy 25th Anniversary to us!
mrmoshpotato
@TBone: Holy sassmouth, Batman!
Are you from Saskatoon?
MagdaInBlack
@raven: Happy Anniversary !
mrmoshpotato
@raven: Congrats, you crazy kids.
WereBear
@TBone: This is how they PLAY.
We can’t play with them. They are the people our mothers warned us about.
Now that we have the concept of psychopaths, let’s move it into law. Which is all based on a being who responds to correction, and they do not.
They need, they beg for, a new category of law which uses current science to recognize when a pattern of behavior is unfixable, and how better to responds. These petty harassers always target the weak.
Every time we construct a society which actually tries to nurture all the weak, these narcissistically driven and deeply deranged individuals must be exposed, and maybe placed with others of their kind.
They are not functional adults and cannot be treated as such.
TBone
The tankies are puffing themselves up and strutting around squawking about this Fucker Snarlson interview with Jeff Sachs. I don’t know what kinda crack is in that pipe but it must be powerful.
https://thehill.com/video/jeffrey-sachs-tucker-carlson-blast-biden-admin%e2%80%99s-policy-on-ukraine/9737403/
Baud
@raven:
Happy anniversary.
raven
@WereBear: He’ll deport them if he wins!
TBone
@mrmoshpotato: only by injection!
TBone
@WereBear: amen.
TBone
@raven: I thought those loose women professional crybabies were speaking in tongues 😂
JPL
@raven: Happy Anniversary. Will there be cake?
TBone
I want a really big NYC ticker tape parade for Stormy Daniels with her sitting on a big float dressed up like a queen, waving her scepter. AND a national federal holiday STORMY DANIELS DAY every year!
raven
@JPL: I’m not sure. I got her a REALLY nice bracelet made by a friend and I’ve been really coy about today. I know that whatever we decide for dinner we’ll have to go somewhere that will allow Artemis!
TBone
@TBone:
🎶
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lisvAVq4NVQ
WereBear
AL, I really appreciate you wading into the X world, and yes, Twitter is still the place. Though no one picks up the trash there and the lights could go out at any moment.
Kind of like the way Disney World is going.
I am thinking we have gotten something right in this American Experiment. We have been able to get past considerable barriers to spread the mockery of this way of thinking. By publicly arguing with us, we have exposed them to all who have sensory organs capable of taking in this information.
Free speech means distribution of humiliation, and for once it is working for the good side of things.
WereBear
@patrick II:
“The necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges.”
Trump let them out and they all showed their ass. How normies don’t see this will forever confuse me.
TBone
Alvin Bragg should be the Master of Ceremonies at the Stormy Daniels Day parade.
Liminal Owl
@NotMax: Is there ever a bad time for G&S?
(BTW, I’m trying to introduce a young friend—20-year-old woman with no knowledge of 19th-century Britain, but she loves musical theatre and wants to get back into it—to G&S, because there are three different Savoyard groups close enough for her to audition. Any suggestions?)
Liminal Owl
@TBone: Do you think the tears are fake? Why?
The first quote from from HCR is just horrifying. I hadn’t realized the numbers were quite so bad.
WereBear
@opiejeanne: I had an electronic car key mess with me like that for two years until I made a great big noisy fuss.
I believe in it. I think I’m good at it :)
TBone
It’s a beautiful day for a verdict. The sun is shining with no clouds anywhere. The birds are celebrating gloriously. Forecast for later today: UPPITY corks popping all over the nation
raven
She likes it! Now, off to the dog park!
Baud
@raven:
👍
TBone
@Liminal Owl: those numbers should be BLASTED OUT NATIONWIDE every fuckin’ day.
Those “tearstained” women are not capable of empathy. Those are crocodile tears.
WereBear
We’ve had everything but him fleeing into exile! He’d have to take his security people with him. But he’s had years to handpick them, I hear.
They aren’t the flex we thought, then.
Especially since we don’t know how many supported the J6 revolting, though I assume 40% of the Republican party at this point.
Also, obligatory MAGA is revolting! Thank you, Mel Brooks.
Ken
Is Todd Starnes (“Trump needs to get out of New York City”) really suggesting Trump should commit more crimes? Specifically, a violation of 18 U.S. Code § 1073, plus whatever laws New York has for bail-jumping. If Starnes is a lawyer, he must be auditioning to take Rudy’s place.
Kay
Anti abortion movement’s push to prosecute women for murder if they have an abortion gains ground:
The article goes out of the way to distance Donald Trump from this, but all of you will probably remember that Trump himself said women should be prosecuted for abortions. Media and Republicans have done their best to bury that, but it happened.
Baud
@Kay:
Even Trump’s kinder, gentler position is to let the states do this.
Anywho, both women and young people are a majority of voters, so I’m not concerned, especially since I’m not in either group.
TBone
Bugle call for today’s doings
This one’s for Alvin and Stormy 🎶
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Ayrc7RqjA
Kay
@Baud:
Yeah, sorry- we won’t talk about it any more. Obviously women are the problem.
mrmoshpotato
@WereBear:
We also haven’t had him dying, to be fair.
Baud
@Kay:
Talk about it all you want. I’m not the one who will walk away from fighting oppressors. But I’m going to focus my attention on minority groups that lack the power to impose their will on the public.
Kay
@Baud:
Good call. Who needs women voters? Not Democrats. They are The Problem.
You’ll need 100% of men but that should be easy enough.
WereBear
@raven: Sure, he can’t stand them either!
Baud
@Kay:
I’m not crying over anyone who wants to sit out.
TBone
A beautiful clarion call 🎶
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dI2RGEhKFnQ
Eyeroller
@Kay: I won’t put words into Baud’s comment box but white women (especially but not only older white women) continuing to vote R, and young people not voting at all, is a problem for Democrats.
Kay
@Baud:
Absolutely. Until women go from 47% D to 51% D no one should care about their issues. It’s that magical 4 points that makes them worthwhile and important Democrats.
Baud
@Kay:
Every person voting blue obviously care about their issues. Every person not voting blue doesn’t. That’s as real as gravity.
ETA: And I think you meant white women with those stats. We already get a majority of all women.
Liminal Owl
@TBone: At 4:25 a.m.? Watch out, you might get SWATted again.
Kay
@Eyeroller:
Is white men voting R a “problem” for Democrats? Or is it just women? You understand that without the 45% of white women who vote for Democrats, Democrats would never win another election, anywhere.
But I’m super interested in this new political strategy. Tell me more about how we win elections by blaming everything on women. Every Democrat in the country is running on choice. They’re all wrong and they should be ignoring the issue because white women are “the problem” for them?
I’m always interested in which group of voters we’re shitting on this week. White women and young people. That’s, what? 250 million people who are “the problem”for Democrats? Ballpark. Probably more.
Kay
@Eyeroller:
If your political party spends all its time seeking out which voters to blame for losses its not a real confident or competent organization. The idea is to add, not subtract.
TBone
Me and Old Handsome Joe, skipping down the boulevard, holding hands 🎶
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JoXVYSV4Xcs
Liminal Owl
@TBone: Seriously, I’m horrified by the swatting story and very glad of the outcome.
Liminal Owl
@raven: Happy anniversary!
Baud
@Kay:
Men are voting for their social self interest when they vote R. They’re acting as a bloc. The people they oppress will hopefully do the same.
TBone
@Liminal Owl: my neighbors here know better. Hubby is known on our street as our neighborhood security system if you catch my drift
TBone
@Liminal Owl: hugs
3Sice
@opiejeanne:
Well, if you are getting the ladder out…
RTFM, power cycle the head unit, clear the stored codes, and reprogram any remotes with new rolling codes.
This should be done for any new residence, but I get the impression that most don’t bother.
Kay
@Baud:
What do you care? You just told me it’s not your “focus”. Literally every time I post a comment on abortion a BJ chorus springs up to tell me it’s the fault of white women, which ends the discussion. It’s just interesting that this happens with no other issue or group.
But you still have a conundrum. Without +/- 50% of “the problemfor Democrats” (young people and white women, but not white men) group you’ll never win another election. I know this upsets the BJ math whizzes but there it is.
TBone
Just because mood music
https://youtu.be/BsrqKE1iqqo
zhena gogolia
@NotMax: I love that show.
Baud
@Kay:
I never once mentioned white women, except to correct your stat. I talked about women and young people. Two majority cohorts that are overtly being oppressed by Republicans and have the unilateral collective power to put a stop to it.
ETA: I feel the same way about labor, although I acknowledge that there the lines are not as stark.
Liminal Owl
@TBone: Oh, I agree that there’s no empathy there. But I think they’re capable of tears (yes WWT of course) over their own anticipated loss of privilege.
The Thin Black Duke
I’m sorry, but any woman that willingly votes to take away her reproductive rights is an idiot.
Kay
@Eyeroller:
We approach politics from a different direction. I think political parties exist to serve people and you think people exist to serve political parties. I think my approach is more popular and useful, since literally every pol follows my approach and only BJ and social media commentors follow yours, but I’m still interested.
Should Biden give a speech “white women and young people are the problem for my political party!” Is that the rallying cry for 2024? This seems fringe to me but maybe you’re just on the cutting edge. Don’t we still have a problem with numbers, though? 250 million people is a lot of problem people. Can you win with 150 million? I don’t think so, but maybe the “better” Democrats count more or something.
Baud
@Kay:
Biden is doing the right thing. Telling women and young people to vote blue. Same thing I’m saying.
Should Biden not treat women and young people as voting blocs?
Liminal Owl
@TBone: Like this? https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLWT4g3m/
Kay
@The Thin Black Duke:
The commonality among anti choice voters is not gender, it’s dislike and distrust of women. This has been studied. No one has to guess.
But I wanted to talk about abortion. Sorry. Wrong place for that. This is the site where we identify problem voters, which I have learned are 1. young people and 2. white women. Carry on.
catclub
and then Goatse stole ‘Huge distended anus”
@rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun):
The Thin Black Duke
Despite idiots like Tim Scott, black people in this country don’t vote against their interests which is why the GOP doubles down on voter suppression. I don’t think it’s wrong to ask why some white women are voting to ban abortion. I don’t think it’s the fault of Democrats.
frosty
@raven: Congrats on 25!!
SFAW
@raven:
Happy Anniversary to you and your bride, youngster!
Berliner2
@patrick II: he‘s a Yale law school graduate, just like Josh Hawley.
Liminal Owl
@The Thin Black Duke: The problem is with women who have been thoroughly indoctrinated into the belief that their unique power as women is in childbearing, and who are terrified of losing (what they see as) their legitimate source of power in society.
And, of course, who are in denial about the life-threatening aspect of that power. Or maybe they believe that that only happens to Bad Girls? I dunno; I don’t understand that part.
Baud
@Kay:
Everyone who doesn’t vote blue is a problem voter. Some of those problem voters are oppressors and some are the oppressed. Hopefully, enough of the oppressed will do the right thing and we can ignore the ones who didn’t.
The Thin Black Duke
@Liminal Owl: But it still comes down to having the power to make that choice and the anti-abortion zealots want to take that choice away from all women and that’s wrong.
JML
@Kay: you get pushback when you post stuff like this because there’s always the underlying theme of “Biden and the Democrats aren’t doing enough to satisfy me” from you, which is exactly the kind of attitude that brought a loss in 2016 that was utterly ruinous to the nation.
If white women vote against their interests and don’t vote D in the fall, it’s a problem. If young people don’t show up to vote in the fall because they think (or they’re convinced) that the candidate isn’t pure enough to inspire them, it’s a problem.
Some of us are realists that don’t expect perfection from candidates or parties, because the only candidate that will agree with you on every single damn thing is when you’re the bloody candidate.
Kay
@Baud:
“white Women” aren’t a voting bloc any more than “white men” are a voting bloc. I know this is a point of almost religious belief among BJ’ers but no one, ever, thought white women were a voting bloc.
Again, your approach is very noble but the 47% of white women you’re shitting on are absolutely essential to the Democratic Party winning, anywhere. That’s not my “belief” – it’s how numbers work.
The really incessant BJ search for the “bad Democrats” is interesting, but no political party or pol follows it, because it doesn’t make any sense. Democrats need Democratic voters. The whole coalition. It includes white men and white women. In fact, the majority of the coalition is white men and white women, because that’s the composition of the country.
The “good” voters don’t count for more.
But I love the idea of a smaller, purer, kind of “bespoke” coalition without all these problem voters. That’s a retail/commercial idea that probably doesn’t translate to a majority political coalition, but maybe there’s a magic alchemy I’m not aware of.
Betty Cracker
@raven: Happy anniversary to the Ravens! Ours is tomorrow, so that’s at least two long-ago May weddings in the group that worked out! 💕
Baud
@Kay:
Again, I said women were a majority. Not white women. But I guess I should correct myself in this respect. The number of women capable of child bearing are a minority group. So perhaps looking at all women as the oppressed was wrong.
Kay
@JML:
Did white women do something specific this cycle to earn your wrath? I know you’re angry at Arab Americans and the protestors (shakes fist!) but I don’t know how “white women” became the focus of the bad voter search.
Carry on. I just think this kind of defensive crouch where you look for enemies of the Democratic Party IN the Democratic Party is deeply unappealing and not a good political strategy. I don’t suggest Dem pols adopt it. It’s a loser.
Is it just nerves? Maybe lashing out at members of your own coalition isn’t the best response to anxiety or a lack of confidence? Or maybe you-all just don’t want to talk about abortion, but instead want to talk about how white women suck. That’s a possibility too.
The Thin Black Duke
I’m a 69-year-old black male, which means that I won’t get pregnant and when the icebergs melt and the planet is inhabitable, I’ll be dead. The women and young people who chose not to vote to try to make a difference will be the ones living in this inevitable nightmare. Call me lucky, I guess.
WereBear
@TBone: We do have to counter the white nationalists with all we have.
Now, Lela Horne’s “Stormy Weather” is in my head. Which is good.
Kay
@Baud:
Not your focus. So maybe don’t jump in with the chorus every single time I post about womens rights and change the subject to how white women suck so yu don’t have to care about what happens to us? That can be its own subject on BJ, and has been. It’s a popular subject in and of itself on this site.
WereBear
@Liminal Owl: I’d go subliminal. Which song does she know and/or respond to?
This is a good gut decision, since neither of you know.
Baud
@Kay:
I’m now correcting you for the third time that I didn’t single out white women. So since you’re now making up facts, I’m done.
The Thin Black Duke
Not All White Women.
WereBear
@mrmoshpotato: Which will be a street party to remember.
I must stock up now, the rate he’s going.
satby
@Betty Cracker: @raven: Happy Anniversary to both of you and your spouses!
TBone
@Liminal Owl: those kind are very tasty
Kay
@JML:
Is abortion yet another subject that’s off limits on BJ because it upsets people through some complex string and pushpin theory to somehow translate to “someone, somewhere is criticizing Democrats”?
Show me in that comment where I criticized Democrats. Scratch that. I’m not playing this stupid loyalty game. I;ve been an active Democrat for 3o years. I probably donate 2 unpaid a hours weekly to Democrats, more in campaign seasons. I’m allowed to criticize Democrats.
TBone
@Liminal Owl: I suddenly cannot use a tiktok link without downloading the app?!? Grrr
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Happy early anniversary, in case you decide to spend the day with your husband rather than us tomorrow.
Kay
@JML:
Hey, lesson learned. No more comments on abortion. Too upsetting and just leads us to another session of The Bad Democrats vs The Good Democrats. Not an area of interest to me.
lowtechcyclist
@Betty Cracker:
Make that three! My wife and I celebrated #33 less than two weeks ago.
Happy anniversary to the Ravens and the Crackers!
satby
@Kay: is continuously imputing things people never said to your “opponents” is a regular strategy you use in your professional life?
trnc
@Baud:
@Kay:
I’m probably going to regret wading into this, and I don’t want to speak for anyone here but I do want to try to figure out if something positive can come out of this discussion. I think it’s safe to say that the policy views here are the same, so the question is how to keep abortion access available.
Explicitly blaming voters for not voting the way we think they should would obviously be terrible strategy, but we know that significant numbers of some traditional democratic voting blocs have sat out previous elections, which let republicans win. Why do those voters sit out? I can only imagine they’ve determined that republican policies won’t affect them very much, or the “both sides” mentality is pervasive. Unsurprisingly, I blame the media for a lot of this, but I can scream about the media all day long and not gain a single vote from it.
So, what to do? Getting involved in some way is probably the only way to affect the outcome, and I know I’m preaching to the choir on that. It’s almost impossible to change a maga mind, so we have to convince our voters to show up. You would think that would be pretty easy with the current abortion and trump mental circumstances, but again, I’m not sure how much of that is being presented by the mainstream media. Top it off with the drumbeat of inflation and Gaza, and we have our work cut out for us.
Again, I realize people here are involved, so I’m not trying to preach to anyone. Just saying explicit blame is bad but so is not acknowledging which voters we need to focus on.
I also wonder when the best time is to do something. I personally feel that waiting a little later in the cycle keeps the issues fresh during the election, but I also know there’s a danger in the negative stories become cemented in people’s minds.
TBone
Good strategy: DOGPILE!!!
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/05/every-american-needs-know-these-six-things
JML
@Kay: you still don’t get it. the only people that have “earned my wrath” are the ones who would rather be more pure than win. who will vote against their interests or stay home because they think that creating a backlash will create a new paradigm with massive and immediate changes without concern to the damage that will be caused in the interim.
I’m poking at the people who prefer ripping democrats for not being good enough for them rather than winning. who would rather lose and be purer than actually accomplish anything. Who would rather sit at home than participate in incremental change, because that’s not good enough: only transformational action matters. I used to do this for living (and I was pretty good at it; we won races we weren’t supposed to win) and despite what you clearly think I do know what I’m talking about.
But you’ve already made up your mind about me.
Kay
@satby:
Was I talking to you? Maybe you can call me a “Karen” – that’s always a real “smack down” on social media. Pow!
Isn’t going to win any elections but it puts you in the cool kids club and that’s the point of this exercise, right?
O. Felix Culpa
@Betty Cracker: @raven:
@satby:
What satby (and others) said: Happy Anniversary!
Celebration time!
Betty Cracker
@lowtechcyclist: 33 — that calls for a toast with Rolling Rock if y’all are beer drinkers. Congrats! 🍻
Baud
@trnc:
I appreciate your analysis.
We can’t blame voters because we don’t know what will happen in November. If the normies wake up and we win 60-40, then no one is blaming anyone.
But to your point, do you think that not challenging people applies to any other aspect of liberalism. Should environmentalists not challenge people to do better? Should minority rights advocates not criticize cis white male culture out of fear of pushing them away? I believe in making the stakes of this election clear. And in a world of propaganda that tells people they can safely not make a choice, I want to counter with the truth about impact of their decision.
As always, YMMV.
Kay
@JML:
Why don’t you go after swing voters or something? Protestors aren’t going to vote for you because they think Gaza is a genocide, ditto for Arab Americans. Pro life white women aren’t going to vote for you either. What is the actual point of this search for voters you think you “should” have but don’t have? You keep saying it’s somehow “pragmatic” but it’s not – it’s just shitting on people. They don’t care if you shit on them. They aren’t voting for you anyway. It just seems like this strange exercise, like the Democratic version of “owning the libs”. It has no practical application. Of course you now insulting people and scolding them isn’t going to get them, so why focus so much on it?
“Should” Democrats have 51% of white women instead of 45-47%? I don’t know. I don’t speak for 150 million people. I’m always wary of “should”. People generally don’t like that approach.
Starfish
@Kay: Oppressed groups get blamed for political failures. Who can forget failures to get gay rights passed being blamed on black voters a decade ago?
The Thin Black Duke
@JML: Beware of the idiots who think contrarianism is a viable political strategy.
kalakal
@raven: Happy Anniversary!
Belafon
@Baud: Democrats haven’t won whites since the Civil Rights act, and yet somehow they’ve won the popular vote and most elections since 92.
Most women know that leaving it up to the states means they’re screwed. And Trump’s kinder position will end on day two.
Kay
@Starfish:
Hell, I’m old enough to remember attending a Daily Kos convention in 2012 when gay rights protestors interrupted Dem pol speakers because they wanted movement on their issues and THEY were the “bad voters”. Many, many bad Democrats who insist on asking for things – just so many demanding “Karens” over the years. I’m surprised our fragile pols can even stand under this assault.
satby
@Kay: seek professional help, you sad little person.
O. Felix Culpa
@Kay:
Are BJ discussions private now? This might not be the best place for discussions by-invitation-only.
Starfish
@O. Felix Culpa: I am sorry we forgot to show you the new secret handshake.
Kay
@satby:
Isn;t this the part where you tell me how other people tell you how much they dislike me, but not publicly? Your army of supporters. It’s okay for you just not to like me. You don’t need to call forth an imaginary army. I don’t care if you want me at your lunch table.
Kay
@satby:
Isn;t this the part where you tell me how other people tell you how much they dislike me, but not publicly? Your army of supporters. It’s okay for you just not to like me. You don’t need to call forth an imaginary army. I don’t care if you want me at your lunch table.
O. Felix Culpa
@Starfish: ???
Anyway, I’m out. Don’t need the aggro first thing in the morning. Lovely day, all!
Starfish
Hey @Kay,
I am sorry about our right to healthcare is being taken away. It is very frustrating.
Kay
@O. Felix Culpa:
Mission accomplished. There will once again be no discussion of womens rights.
The only thing anyone on this site will be allowed to discuss by election day is insulin subsidies.
Starfish
@O. Felix Culpa: We forgot to show you the new secret handshake to the Balloon Juice private club, but I am pretty sure you can bribe the bouncer by letting him pet your doggos.
Kay
@Starfish:
I am too. I saw Melinda Gates gave a huge gift to The 19th, which has excellent coverage of womens rights, so I was really pleased about that. The article I posted is junk- most of the coverage of womens issues is junk. The 19th do good work. NPR is super annoying in many ways but they actually have very good abortion coverage. That will help with college educated women. The NYTimes and WaPo coverage os terrible.
lowtechcyclist
@Betty Cracker: Thanks!
I drink beer, but just in restaurants – I don’t drink enough of it at home to buy a six-pack and drink it before it goes stale. And my wife doesn’t drink beer, period. Strictly wine and mixed drinks.
I’m going to spring a ‘happy 1/3 of a century’ celebration on her in September. :-D
Gin & Tonic
@raven: Hey, congrats on the anniversary. For us, 25 is so far in the rear-view mirror I can’t even see it, but I really lucked out on my first (and only) marriage.
Kay
@Starfish:
The far Right group who want to prosecute women met with Ohio lawmakers. They’ve now introduced their bill in 11 state legs. Obviously will affect all women, not just white women.
O. Felix Culpa
@Kay:
You have a remarkable way of imputing words and motives to people–and to the entirety of the commentariat. One comment from one commenter was enough to set off a rant, in which you (again) position yourself as the One Righteous Person on the blog. These are stressful times, and our rights are being chipped (or axed) away, so I understand that emotions are high. Attacking allies, even of the virtual kind, might not be the most helpful strategy.
ETA: With that, I am truly out. I do not enjoy the smell of quarrels in the morning.
Starfish
@Kay: I still check in on Rewire where former front pager Imani Gandy works.
Kay
@O. Felix Culpa:
Every single time I post a comment about abortion it becomes a discussion on how white women suck. Every single time. That’s not “one commentor”. I understand the argument! In this argument “women” are a voting bloc and since 47% of white women vote for Republicans they are not an electoral majority so therefore, I guess, this is the fault of all white women. I understand it. I just don’t agree with it and I’m interested in why this never applies to white men.
Starfish
@Kay:
The worst impacts are on women of color. I am not sure if you saw the story about the 13 yo rape victim in the Mississippi Delta.
It’s not like Mississippi had awesome maternal mortality rates before all this went down.
satby
@Kay: so worked up you posted 2x?
Nope, this is all me, telling you that therapy for all that hostility at imaginary statements not made by anyone here might be helpful Since this is a pattern.
But honestly, IDGAF what you do.
Also out, which is probably the point.
Kay
@O. Felix Culpa:
Except “white women” aren’t a voting bloc. Just like white men. No one in politics thinks white women are a voting block – obviously, since they’re split pretty much 50/50. So to me this sort of “if white women were a voting bloc…” discussion is not pragmatic at all. It’s just assuming you’re entitled to those voters and anger when they don’t do what we think they should do. That’s not “practical” at all. It’s just venting.
Kay
@satby:
I’m glad you’re not in charge of Democratic politics. You’re more interested in scolding and “proving” superiority than you are in growing the coalition. Snappy comebacks using the insular language of social media may “own” people and signal who the cool kids are but they don’t win elections. I know it feels good to “reject” the parts of the Democratic coalition you don’t approve of (and shows your superiority) but you need a majority to win, not a club.
trnc
I’m not sure why my comment came across this way, but I would say that we should always push our elected officials to do better while making it clear that:
1) Democratic elected officials are at least working to improve ___ issue and republican elected officials are actively working against it
2) The 6-3 SCOTUS has already been extremely anti-progressive, but we have a chance to tip it back to our favor with this election. Losing the election and winding up with a guaranteed right wing SC for at least a generation will mean an end to any progressive agenda for decades
Bill Arnold
FWIW, from Eric I hear “white” at low volume, and “right” at high volume.
Wapiti
@Kay: Thank you for your persistence, Kay.
I always appreciate your insights, especially into parts of America that I don’t know.
Dave
@JML: And I really don’t trust that guy to get it right.
Baud
@trnc:
The debate is over how and how much to challenge regular people, not elected officials. Issue groups often talk about people, not just politicians. A union organizer will never say it’s perfectly reasonable for people to vote against joining unions. That has nothing to do with elected officials.
JML
@Kay: what’s really weird here, is…you do exactly what you’re accusing other of. Any time someone disagrees with you or wants to add nuance to a policy discussion, you start attacking them, and hammer Biden and Democratic politicians for not not doing it your way. I’m baffled by this if you really are about growing the coalition. Because it seems like you’re only about admitting people that agree with you 100%…
(and not for nothing but suburban white women are most definitely a voting block and one that swings elections)
ArchTeryx
@TBone: Swatting is no joke. That’s 4chan shit, and ANYONE that plants a false police report in order to bring cops out to try and hurt or kill someone should be charged with attempted murder and false police reporting themselves.
NotMax
@Liminal Owl
The Pirates of Penzance movie may be a good entry point. Kevin Kline, Linda Ronstadt.
Starfish
@JML: We have nuanced policy discussion? Since when?
JML
@Starfish: some of us do try?
Kay
@JML:
You told me my comments get “pushback” because they are critical of Democrats. I asked how my comment was critical of Democrats – I linked to a story about abortion. In what way is this critical of Democrats?
I still think I CAN be critical of Democrats – I absolutely will when they deserve criticism- but I’m just trying to understand what rule that comment violated.
As I said I understand the argument. White women are a majority of women so protecting their rights is not protecting minority rights. That is certainly true. I just don’t know why it has to be the response every single time I post about abortion. I wonder about that.
I think it’s a dumb argument. Democrats won’t win w/out their 90% of AA. voters Democrats won’t win w/out their 35-40 of white men. Democrats won’t win w/out without their 45-50% of white women. All of these things are obviously true and everyone knows them – its the definition of a coalition. It’s not some bold maverick statement – it’s demographics. Why bring them up as a response to anyone discussing abortion, if not to shut down the discussion as not worthy?
Timill
@Liminal Owl: For ease of access, the 1920s-set English National Opera Mikado (Eric Idle et al) is on youtube:
Act 1
Act 2
Kay
@JML:
So your approach to bring in “suburban white women” is to tell them they are a majority (“suburban” white women are not, but whatever) and therefore their legal rights are not a focus because they’re not minority rights? This is bold truth telling? To what end? How is it pragmatic approach? I mean, I could do it. I could smugly say “I am an enlightened white woman so that doesn’t apply to me, of course, just those other bad women” but where does that get anyone?
the pollyanna from hell
Baud’s hyperbolic clowning was incomprehensible to me. Kay’s persistent irritation seemed to lead eventually to wrong-footing herself
I love you all, but come on.
Kay
@JML:
I talked to tens of women during the Ohio referendum. Probably three digits. I suppose I could have led with “well, unenlightened white women vote 47/45 for Republicans so really you’re the problem. Not me, I’m a progressive so very hip, but other, bad white women, so you” but that only works online. That’s not a real life conversation anyone has.
Kay
@the pollyanna from hell:
You’re right. I do find it annoying. I have spent a LOT of my time on this issue. I have gained a deep understanding of it over 30 years starting in law school. I do find it annoying when it’s dismissed or used as some kind of cudgel to show how smugly superior ” we” (the good white women) are.
I probably can’t discuss it here. It means a lot to me. The Ohio referendum fight was one of the most profound experiences talking to other women I have ever had in my life. It changed me. I love them. All of them.
the pollyanna from hell
@Kay: Part of the imbalance came because Baud was not trying to make sense, and could not be coherently answered. You were trying, and that magnified the inherent limitations of language that afflict us all.
Omnes Omnibus
@the pollyanna from hell: IMO Baud, from what Baud has been saying a lot lately, was saying that he doesn’t see the point of fighting for people who have the potential to save themselves as a group but don’t do it. It’s frustration.
Kay
@the pollyanna from hell:
As I said, it happens a lot here.
I did driving for young women to get to their clinics. It was this informal “group” and some of them were so scared – I’m financially secure so unless they fucking arrest me no one can touch me and even then I know a lot of lawyers (which is partly why I volunteer for these things – security means the ability to take risks) but they were afraid they would get exposed and then fired. I admired them. My loyalty has never been to the pols or really the Party. It’s always been to the group I’m working with. That’s the only reason I do this. I don’t care at all what happens to Joe Biden. The pol is interchangeable as far as I’m concerned. Like me, he, they, will be fine.
Juju
@opiejeanne: this might help.
https://www.thespruce.com/when-your-garage-door-opens-by-itself-3969581
I had this happen years ago. I called garage door opener people and it turned out that there was corrosion in both the remote and the garage door opener, I live in a humid part of the country, and the opener had to be replaced, which was fine, it was from 1981, and the technology had improved and there were more safeguards to make the garage door safer and more difficult to hack.
the pollyanna from hell
@the pollyanna from hell: In order to answer an unserious, hyperbolic clown, your tactical absurd intensity was not wrong at first, but I would back off when it colors more rational disagreement as equally combative.
the pollyanna from hell
@Omnes Omnibus: No. He visibly withholds loyalty that we owe to all humanity. He gets points only if there is some satirical overtone, which I think there was. I am tone deaf, but I have a hyper-acute attention to detail, so I give him a pass. But I do not demand that anyone else give him a pass. A performer who fails to sell compassion is not selling what I want to buy.
Omnes Omnibus
@the pollyanna from hell: Of course there were satirical overtones. It was Baud. But frustration with people who vote against their interests isn’t an unreasonable emotion. It is true that there can be a divide here between those who are very literal and straightforward in their communication style and those who are not. I think that is what happened here.
the pollyanna from hell
@the pollyanna from hell: Jesus told the Phoenician lady her people are like dogs and don’t deserve his help. He got smacked down. The clown has to make the smackdown easy. Or at least triumphal.
Liminal Owl
@TBone: That’s weird. I do not have, nor intend to download, the app.
VFX Lurker
I just pied two people on this thread, including one I had respected and enjoyed reading for years. I’m sure they both mean well, but my time is now better spent elsewhere than engaging with them. If anything, their days will now be much more pleasant without me replying to them.
Thank cleek for the pie filter. It makes the world a better place.
Manyakitty
@Betty Cracker: happy anniversary to the Crackers and the Ravens and all the other BJ lovebirds 💖💓
Manyakitty
@The Thin Black Duke: keep talking sense. It’s gotta sink in some time.
The Lodger
@rebelsdad (aka texasboyshaun): I think they call that skin tone Poppin’ Flesh.