Rubio on Obama: he divides us against each other on purpose. When he became president he decided to put 51% against 49% to win re-election
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) February 7, 2016
It's like a veil has been lifted and suddenly everybody realizes Rubio's been reciting dumb talking points all along https://t.co/1JEQlHQKfi
— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) February 7, 2016
And just when all the money people were set for a nice evening of entertainment, per the Washington Post:
CHARLESTON, S.C. — About 1 a.m., long after the GOP presidential contenders had finally filed off the stage of the North Charleston Coliseum, the Republican National Committee’s post-debate party was still going strong.
Top party donors jammed into the ballroom of an upscale hotel in the city’s historic downtown, milling around a long buffet table piled with pulled-pork sandwiches, baby shrimp, macaroni and cheese, and ice cream sundaes. They buzzed about the sharp jousting between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, caught up on campaign gossip, and made plans to see one another at one of the upcoming forums in Iowa, New Hampshire or Florida.
The outsize spectacle of this primary season’s Republican debates has made the events hot-ticket items for wealthy donors, who are flocking to them as if they were political bowl games…
Major fundraisers and top contributors fly in on private jets and gather in hotel suites before start time, marveling over the latest twists in the race. Once inside the venue, they snap selfies in front of the stage. They anxiously root for their favored candidates, swapping text messages with friends as the jabs fly back and forth.
“It’s the same thing as going to a football game,” said Foster Friess, the Wyoming-based financial investor who was among the heavy hitters in the audience for Thursday night’s debate in Charleston. “If you’re in the crowd, you can hear the cheers, unfiltered by microphones. The chemistry is so much more exciting.”…
For New York venture capitalist Ken Abramowitz, who has made contributions to multiple candidates, the appeal is less the main event and more the private gatherings afterward, where he tries to offer some feedback to the White House hopefuls.
“I like to give them a word of advice if they said something during the debate I thought was wrong,” said Abramowitz, who said he managed to buttonhole former Florida governor Jeb Bush, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee at receptions after the first debate in August in Cleveland. “I will point that out to them — not in a critical manner, but a friendly manner, to help them.”…
Just in case you thought the candidates weren’t suffering, imagine you much fun it must be to take advice from these party animals…
Apart from munching on popcorn, what’s on the agenda for the afternoon?
Luthe
Trump is self-financing just so the only bozo he has to take advice from is himself.
Brachiator
Got a few errands to run, then will watch the Super Bowl. Looking forward to the half time show, and a Panthers victory.
schrodinger's cat
OT question
How did Hillary Rettig get a front page gig?
Brachiator
It’s interesting to see that the money men have not given up. They just don’t know who to back.
Luthe
@schrodinger’s cat: She figured out how to shut Thurston up and John gave it to her out of gratitude.
Anoniminous
Doing some work on a computer project until game time. At which point I plan to watch the first 15 minutes to see which team, in the honored Super Bowl Tradition®, will stink the joint up.
schrodinger's cat
@Luthe: I thought she had the infamous naked mopping photos.
WaterGirl
@schrodinger’s cat: same way as everyone else, I suspect.
TaMara (BHF)
I’m not really watching the Super Bowl, but don’t tell anyone, I think I’m rooting for a Panther’s victory. But shhhh. I still have to live here.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@schrodinger’s cat: You mean you don’t enjoy being scolded in a patronizing tone?
@TaMara (BHF): Your secret’s safe with me. Howdy to Bixby and his smaller housemates.
TaMara (BHF)
@schrodinger’s cat: The answer to the question you asked me in the other thread, is yes of course.
TaMara (BHF)
@WaterGirl: Hey, I got my gig through good old fashioned hard work – I had to secretly sabotage Anne Laurie’s internet connection for a couple of weeks. :-D
Felonius Monk
It’s call an election, dumbass. Will somebody please call this boy’s teacher and tell her he’s been playing hooky from school again. Geeesh.
ETA: If this idiot is paying his campaign advisors for this kind of horseshit, he’s getting taken to the cleaners.
TaMara (BHF)
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): We are soon to head out on a hike, he’s just my heart these days. And suddenly the cats have done what cats do and decided he is one of their own. So for at least this week there is peace and harmony in my little home.
Chris
Actually a magnificently concise summary of how the Republican Party has ruled.
elmo
Second attempt at a batch of carnitas. First try was 90% perfect, but got a little dry and hard at some of the edges. I used the convection setting and didn’t adjust the temp or cooking time, duh. So this time I made the chunks bigger for the braise portion and I’m just using the straight bake setting.
Meanwhile a little garage cleanup, neatening etc. Headed to Ft. Lauderdale Tuesday, and traveling to Vegas the following week, so gearing up for that as well. People ask why my wife and I never take trips for vacation; for me, getting to stay home IS the vacation.
trollhattan
Will finally be able to take down the Christmas lights, first dry warm weekend of the year.
Then will root for Carolina to lose and Denver to not win.
Frankensteinbeck
And sadly, Rubio is still the best they have. Trump is a lunatic they may be stuck with. Cruz does not play well with others. Or at all with others. Jeb:( is astonishingly, ‘How the Hell did this guy win any election for anything, ever?’ bad. Kasich has Huntsman Disease. If anybody else is still running, they’re reached ‘If anybody else is still running’ status.
schrodinger's cat
@TaMara (BHF): You has good recipes with real cheese! Speaking of recipes, I made a chicken curry in the oven this week. All the flavor, minus the hassle, plus it also cut down on the fat.
Felonius Monk
@schrodinger’s cat:
She served chocolate tofu at the Naked Mopping Convention?
Brachiator
@Felonius Monk: I didn’t watch the GOP debates, only saw a clip. But I thought that Rubio’s accusation that “Obama knew exactly what he was doing,” had a sinister edge to it, and insinuation that the Kenyan Mooslem Usurper was working his hidden agenda on good, godfearing real Amurrikins.
SFAW
I’m feeling a little down because it isn’t a Pats vs. Giants Super Bowl. Were they playing, I have no doubt that, in a surprise substitution by Tom Coughlin, Y.A. Tittle would throw a game-winning 43-yard TD pass to Del Shofner in the end zone, after Malcolm Butler falls down after getting faked by Shofner. (OK, maybe not Tittle to Shofner, but I could see Phil Simms to Phil McConkey, or even LT.)
bystander
@schrodinger’s cat: More importantly, is she related to Tommy, Jeff of tv’s Lassie?
I look forward to Superbowel being over so I can stop hearing about all the anticipation at the commercials being telecast. The phony excitement for the ads is merely a pretext to giving free air time to advertisers while marveling at the glories of hucksterism.
At least next week, we get the Grammy’s opening with the opening number from Hamilton.
Frankensteinbeck
@Brachiator:
Well… yes. That’s not an insinuation. That’s the whole point of saying it at all, and it’s how every conservative and most ‘moderate’ Republicans hear it.
TaMara (BHF)
@Frankensteinbeck: According to my right leaning book of faces friends, Rubio was to be their savior. I wonder what’s going to happen if the media decides he’s done. (I doubt any of them watched the debate themselves).
Felonius Monk
@Brachiator: That’s my interpretation also. This guy is a twerp, but a very dangerous one.
Steve in the ATL
@bystander:
Yeah, anyone who says “I’m watching for the commercials!!!” gets punched.
Brachiator
@Frankensteinbeck:
And yet I think Cruz will do surprisingly well in New Hampshire. I expect both Trump and Little Boots Rubio to under-perform compared to polls and expectations.
Trump is starting to come unhinged. Attacking the debate audience was just dumb, as was his decision to skip the last debate. He is riding the last crests of his momentum, but is coming across as dull, repetitive and decidedly lacking in knowledge about foreign policy and the economy. And the economy is supposed to be his strong suit.
Rubio is looking like a pathetic and robotic Ken doll. If not for the flop sweat, he would not look like a human being at all.
A Ghost To Most
Hillary knows where the mustard is hid.
Frankensteinbeck
@TaMara (BHF):
There’s a little shuffling among the ‘Establishment Not Trumps’, GOP voters realize they can’t stand Kasich and Jeb humiliates himself AGAIN, Rubio goes back on top if he ever falls from it at all, and maybe a couple more percentages peel away towards the crazy vote.
If Cruz and Trump do something to make themselves unbearable to the GOP’s lunatic base, all bets are off, but who the Hell knows if or how that will happen?
Brachiator
@Steve in the ATL:
Also, I think you can already watch all the commercials on YouTube.
And last Super Bowl, most of the commercials came across as overly produced, expensive and pointless. I don’t think that advertisers are getting their money’s worth.
Felonius Monk
@Steve in the ATL:
But sometimes the game is so bad, the only reason to keep it on is to see the commercials. Hopefully, today will be different.
lgerard
@Felonius Monk:
it is also pretty big talk from someone who won his Senate election with 49% of the vote in 2010
OzarkHillbilly
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
You mean like everyone else around here does?
p.a.
Given current demographic and population movement trends, would ditching the Electoral College benefit/disadvantage either political party?
If population since the ’70’s has shifted from North/Rustbelt to South/Sunbelt, why hasn’t this resulted a liberalizing trend in the South? Is everyone who moves conservative? Are the numbers not large enough to make a difference? Liberals can’t all just move to Austin & Atlanta, can they? They have to have political impact elsewhere. Does HHH weather make you stupid/racist/god-addled?
Downpuppy
@Brachiator: But of course Rubio never says what evil Obama is up to. None of them do, anymore than they explain their economic plans in terms of who pays & who benefits. Everything is in code!
I long, without much hope, for moderators and reporters who will ask them WTF theiir codes mean.
Brachiator
@Frankensteinbeck:
But Rubio came across as a little boy reciting a scary story about the bogey man. And he failed to make the point that he was expected to, that he was competent and capable of fighting and defeating the Great Evil of Obama. He just seemed like a peevish little brat reciting what someone told him, but without any understanding of what he was trying to say or why he was saying it.
MattF
@Felonius Monk: Also, Rubio’s mentor was Jeb!. Wisdom from the master, I guess.
Doug R
You’d think guys that were smart enough to scrape a couple of billion together would realize that the economy does best under democrats. I guess it’s true that acquiring large sums of money is mostly dumb luck. Or maybe it’s about the power over Grover’s favorite useful idiots with”just enough brain power to sign” their heinous legislation.
I guess it’s one way to keep old media chugging along-although in old media do they realize the barrage of bullshit is one big reason they’re losing viewers?
FlyingToaster
@schrodinger’s cat: Dunno, but I won’t read any more of her posts.
Felonius Monk
@OzarkHillbilly: Hey, OH, sorry to hear you’re still wearing the boot. I hope the hoof gets better soon.
Frankensteinbeck
@Brachiator:
Yep. He delivered it badly. He’s not Jeb:( bad, but he’s worse than Romney, and that’s crawling under a low bar. But the statement itself is not even a dog whistle. Republicans assume that everyone knows Obama is destroying the country. It doesn’t have to be mentioned in context. Telling them Obama knows what he’s doing is casting a vote in ‘stupid vs. evil’.
TaMara (BHF)
Great Dane vs. Soccer Ball. 3.5 minutes. Until then we were having fun playing “soccer”. He was getting the hang of moving it around with his feet. I still can’t believe he got his mouth around it. Now it’s kinda smooshed, still good for playing “soccer”, but now he can cheat and pick it up, not just kick it
debbie
@Brachiator:
I took Rubio’s comment the same way you did, which moves him from The Great Moderate Hope to the kinsman of RWNJs like Glenn Beck.
Brachiator
@p.a.:
The Democrats would have a better chance of winning pure national elections than the Republicans, given current economic trends.
The South is still too racist. And the majority seem unable to ever let go of their mad grasp on the false deity of white supremacy.
Consider Mississippi in the 2012 elections. Only 10 percent of white people there voted for Obama (vs 96 percent of black voters).
ThresherK
Ribs are on the third hour of riberfying. Homemade onion dip, which I did not get to make for NYE. And because deep winter makes me want grapefruit, a pitcher of palomas, the tequila/grapefruit drink. I may just throw all citrus in it indiscriminately.
Felonius Monk
@ThresherK: Put my ribs in about an hour ago. The chili was started last night and is now simmering on the stove. The shrimp are thawing and the drinks are cold. We’ll be ready.
Brachiator
@Frankensteinbeck:
Actually, this is a confusing mixed message. Trump and others like to say that Obama is the incompetent bumbler in chief. Even the Great Orange Boehner used to chide Obama on not knowing how to defer to the greater wisdom of Congressional Republicans.
And to the racists who cling to the GOP, Obama by definition is incompetent, an inferior squatter preventing a white man from doing god’s work.
Given the continual conservative insistence that Obama is dumb and dumber all by himself, Rubio’s assertion of a devious, crafty Obama actually veers away from the talking points in many ways.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@OzarkHillbilly:
I thought I was the only one who failed to find it enjoyable. Good to know I was wrong.
kc
@schrodinger’s cat:
Same way all the other FP’ers did, I imagine. I’m glad she’s here.
Cacti
@Brachiator:
It also requires racist Republicans to concede that they were outsmarted by a black man.
No effing way.
trollhattan
@TaMara (BHF):
Our first Dal punctured his new soccer ball within the first ten minutes. He was somehow able to grab it by the seams and in galloping around with it bit down too hard, I suppose. Our current Dal is far too dainty for such shenanigans.
P.S. Was yours a #5 ball? That’s the largest.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
@Brachiator: Also, a lot of racist northern goobers move south, too.
Celebrating Cam’s MVP win, Rivera’s COTY win, and hoping for a Panthers SB triumph.
OzarkHillbilly
@Felonius Monk: It’ll get there, it’ll get there. Thanx for the thought.
Doug R
@Brachiator: States like Florida, Arizona and Texas are turning purple.
Frankensteinbeck
@Brachiator:
You would think, but they’re not totally incompatible. Obama doesn’t have to be smart to be evil. The racist trope sees him as a spoiled child or a monkey. He can do a lot of deliberate damage and still be those things. But mainly, I think they’ve reached such a state of blind hate that they aren’t bothering with consistency. Obama is all things bad, and casting a vote for stupid OR evil gets a cheer.
gene108
@Downpuppy:
Same thing with painting Bill Clinton’s Administration as being the most wretched hive of scum and villainy in the country’s history.
They are good at dog whistles and projections.
It is who they are and all they can be.
trollhattan
@Doug R:
Hard to tell, based on who they continue to elect.
dm
@Brachiator: The thing is, at least the first time, Rubio went on to list the things Obama had done: Obamacare, a deal preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, Dodd-Frank. And I’m thinking about how those all sounds like good things to me. Glad they weren’t accidents.
Elie
Hello All:
I’m finally getting back to myself. I had my left knee replaced January 5 and in between the discomfort – no- actually intense pain the first week and rehab, I have been pretty pre-occupied even though I have commented here and there. It was hard to concentrate.
Anyway, I am walking with one crutch and the pain is much better, though falling asleep at night presents some challenges getting comfortable before I fall asleep.
I look forward to picking up the trail of the campaigns again….
PS — I have thoroughly enjoyed and learned from reading your comments as I have mostly lurked over the last month. You all are the best and I have laughed and learned so thanks!
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat:
The more important question is, why don’t I have one? Why is Cole trying to silence the Baud! 2016! message?
Doug R
@srv: Privilege is Privilege, no matter what your gender.
trollhattan
@Elie:
Welcome back!
Stillwater
@Frankensteinbeck: And sadly, Rubio is still the best they have.
Yeah, this. Unlike many of the others, he can actually articulate a complex thought, albeit, one he’s practiced off stage to the point of pure mimicry. Schooley is right tho: what’s astonishing is that conservatives are astonished! to find out Rubio speaks in canned talking points.
OzarkHillbilly
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): All this time I thought “Patronizing Tone” was the Balloon Juice fight song.
Baud
@Elie:
Feel better.
No. No you don’t.
rk
I want a lightning strike in the hall where the party is going on (with the staff all safely out of the way.
Frankensteinbeck
@gene108:
I disagree with this. They’ve said what they think Obama is doing. It makes no sense to us, so we tend to miss it. In Benghazi, they think Obama let loyal Americans die because he thinks Muslims are justified in hating America. With the ACA, they think Obama is giving away hard working worthwhile people’s money to poor blacks, partly because he hates hard working white people, partly because he’s not strong and adult enough to deliver tough love, partly because he’s bribing minorities for votes. Internationally, they think through a combination of stupidity, timidity, and siding with Muslims who want to destroy America, he’s ruined our reputation and helped (maybe deliberately) terrorism flourish by not invading and torturing and denouncing Islam as evil at every opportunity. And… well, a lot more. They have a whole mythology, and know damn well what they think he’s doing.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly: I would expect you to say something like that.
Elie
@Baud:
You’re right. I already see that. Still have some painkillers left and may have to use them strategically….
dedc79
@schrodinger’s cat: Yeah how did that supervillain vegan who supports Sanders infiltrate the front page of this pro-meat, Clinton loyalist blog? How dare she have a different opinion and have the temerity to voice that opinion?
Felonius Monk
@Baud:
I think it’s the large speaking fees that were allegedly paid to you by Goldtoe Sockx.
OzarkHillbilly
@Elie: Failed again. I work very hard at being the worst. One gimp to another, glad you’re feeling better.
FlyingToaster
@dedc79: It’s not the opinion; it’s the browbeating. If a Hillbot comes on hear and starts haranguing, I won’t read that poster, either.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: At your service, Mr President.
Brachiator
@Doug R: Texas has pockets of purple, but the state is still largely stuck in its racist past.
In the 2012 elections in Florida, 65 percent of white men and 58 percent of white women voted for Romney. This is still typical of the racist South.
Arizona ain’t the South, but 67 percent of white men and 65 percent of white women there voted for Romney in 2012. The black population is tiny, but Latinos, not moderate or liberal whites, are that state’s best hope.
schrodinger's cat
@Baud: That’s injustice, alright. I am sure you would have known when to come out to the podium when given the cue.
dedc79
The Republicans never exactly had good options, but they are quickly running out of non-apocalyptic options. We could not have scripted the past four months any better than they’ve turned out (on the GOP side, at least).
Now I’m just hoping everyone who is left refuses to drop out, so the fun can continue into the summer.
Downpuppy
@Frankensteinbeck: Some of them say this stuff. But the candidates who are talking to them need to be forced to say it out loud.
One of the emptiest codes is “Christian Values”. I’m pretty sure that most of the time, the person talking, and the person nodding along are thinking utterly different vague things.
kdaug
@Frankensteinbeck:
There’s the rub.
Baud
@Felonius Monk: I hope there are no transcripts.
OzarkHillbilly
@FlyingToaster: It really bothers me the way people around here treat her too.
Frankensteinbeck
@Downpuppy:
That is why Trump is different. He’s spewing open racism to a national audience. The GOP base is eating it up, and the establishment that is not comfortable admitting their racism is horrified.
kdaug
@Downpuppy: Yep. Pretty sure the Taliban have “strongly held beliefs”. Just an issue of branding.
Gin & Tonic
What’s on the agenda? I suppose continuing to ski until the lifts close. Later, a long hot shower and a cold beer or two.
Another Holocene Human
@p.a.: Shit, there has been liberalization in the South (but not in AZ). Florida had a ballot measure to mandate school funding, along with a number of other reforms from the 1970s to the 1990s. Then the flip happened and the R’s got a majority and JEB! happened and all of that started to be systemically dismantled.
NC was on a pretty liberal path until Art Pope bought the state. Though, as you discerned, a lot of the GOP voters are northern transplants and the Dems are NC natives. (NC has always had a somewhat obscure history as one of the more enlightened Southern states. And also some political shit as ugly as anything in Louisiana’s past to force the integrationists out of power.)
GA is systemically becoming more liberal. They can’t all go to ATL but guess what, ATL is huge, biggest city with the most diverse economy for hundreds of miles around. The good (not) old boys in GA are spittin’ mad.
States like MS and AL are getting smaller and smaller in the scheme of things without serious in-migration.
Brachiator
@Frankensteinbeck:
Actually, they are incompatible. Diehard racists and many conservatives would say that Obama is inferior and cannot actively plan an evil act that would outwit good white folks. An inferior animal can do damage, not have the intelligence and will to do evil.
You see a variation of this in anti-Jewish racism. Jews are crafty, but lack the full range of intelligence and will power of real white men.
Rubio muddled the racist narrative with his invocation of Obama as a sinister mastermind. And as a couple of people noted here, to debate watchers who were not conservative dupes, he reminded people of the real good that Obama had accomplished during his time in office.
elmo
@TaMara (BHF): I had a German Shepherd who would go INSANE playing soccer with her feet, and she had an amazing downfield full-speed dribble. But I would never try it with an inflated ball. Has to be hard plastic.
Try these:
Varsity Ball
Indestructible Ball
Or try a Jolly Ball specifically made for horses. Can’t link because I’d go into moderation.
Felonius Monk
@Baud:
No. Just the video tapes.
ThresherK
@Felonius Monk: Chili and ribs? Someday I’ll have more people over and then really put on a spread. Today it’s just me and my wife, and chances are we’ll take in Downton Abbey along the way.
BTW Puppy Bowl has been on since top of the hour (3pm here in the East). I hope you all got your Puppy Bowl Fantasy Team picks in on time.
Felonius Monk
And why isn’t everyone watching the Kitten Bowl?
Elie
@OzarkHillbilly:
I always considered myself to be something of a tough Mama, but this has been quite an experience. On one hand I experienced a very technically advanced surgery complete with sophisticated nerve blocks for pain, short recovery and discharge after a day. Problem is that after the first 4-5 days the emphasis shifts to preventing you from getting addicted to oxycodone which, while understandable, you STILL really need major pain relief for at least the first 2-3 weeks. Daytime is less of a problem than night time. A lot of people do well with ice as a good pain killer but it never worked for me. Instead, hot pack on my lower leg and back seemed to relax me enough to go to sleep. Rehab is wonderful and horrible. You can see and feel the progress but they have to make sure that bad ol scar tissue doesn’t screw up the range of joint mobility. As you might guess, the techniques they use to assure that left me thinking of lost medieval stretching techniques.
Seriously, the physical therapists are my heroes and they know so much and while firm are also kind and supportive. They are the focus of my care — not the surgeon’s staff.
Baud
@Felonius Monk:
Oh thank god. Like anyone has a VCR anymore.
Brachiator
@Elie: Hope you feel better. A neighbor had a knee replaced and now almost swears by the procedure. It really helped him, and his recovery has been fairly trouble free.
Another Holocene Human
@Doug R: But AZ and TX aren’t moving because of internal migration from Northern states, they’re moving because of a) organizing the unorganized, b) citizen children of foreign born migrant workers, c) internal migration from California. In TX case they also get plenty of foreign nationals moving there directly for work in non-agricultural fields, such as the oil industry.
White northern internal migrants to AZ are a bunch of assholes. (Kind of like west coast of Florida.) They’re supposed to be from the Midwest. Northeast corridor sends some of its biggest assholes to NC. Sorry, NC.
Johnny Coelacanth
@FlyingToaster: “It’s not the opinion; it’s the browbeating.” Don’t cry, delicate flower.
gene108
@Another Holocene Human:
Art Pope helped push NC Dems down the slide, but a backlash had been building as to what were considered abuses of power by Gov. Easley. His successor Democrat Beverley Purdue did not do much to look into the allegations against Easley, as much as the public felt was necessary for open honest government.
Then came the the Supreme Courts C.U.N.T. (Citizens United Not Timid) decision and Art Pope bought into Ed Gillespie’s Operation Red State and flipped the legislature.
But there were self inflicted wounds by the state Democrats that were never dealt with properly. Some of the 2010 Republican vote in NC was based on “teaching the Democrats a lesson” for their good old boy network, political favors to patrons, etc.
Then came aggressive redistricting locking in the Republican gains.
kdaug
@Brachiator:
Yeah. Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio, and Houston. Austin is solid blue.
The rest is old boy ranchers who don’t get out much. And it’s a big damned state.
Apart from size, how is this different from any other state?
Another Holocene Human
@Brachiator: How do you define typical? We know MS whites voted for Romney in much higher percentages. That would seem to indicate that dyed-in-the-wool, raised-from-pappy’s-knee-to-hate haters have been diluted by a white population that doesn’t give a flip about that stuff. As Florida’s political history reveals.
And in fact, Florida was NEVER like MS, despite the way Confederacy-fappers try to paint it that way. The cotton industry showed up there late, after they had fucked up all the good land in SC.
The Union had control of Florida for most of the war, but you wouldn’t know it from those deceitful roadside monuments.
Florida has a fascinating Reconstruction history as well, but good luck learning about that in school.
Iowa Old Lady
If you’re looking for a time when the country has changed so much we can all take a break, I don’t think we’ll ever get there. You have to keep fighting the good fight.
TaMara (BHF)
@elmo: When we finally move, I was seriously thinking of getting him a jolly ball! I think it’d be perfect for him.
ETA: He actually destroyed his kong ball, so I’m beginning to think nothing is meant to last long.
redshirt
Sincerely, I’m still sad/mad/frustrated the Broncos beat the Pats and I’m not sure I’ll watch the Superb Owl. I probably will – for the commercials and Coldplay – but dang nab it the Panthers must crush those Papa Johns.
Every year the Pats don’t win the Superb Owl when they should is another year lost in the entry called “Greatest Team Ever”. What a wasted year this was, because they were so very dominant to start, and then injuries and dumb decisions ruined the rest.
And before you hate on me, once Brady and Belichick go, the Pats will return to the average/below average team they were before this amazing run started.
Another Holocene Human
@dedc79:
Nobody would have believed it.
schrodinger's cat
@OzarkHillbilly: Are you new here? Do you remember the time EDK was an FPer?
Another Holocene Human
@Brachiator: If Obama is possessed by a demon he only needs the demon’s intelligence. Plenty of stupid facebook memes out there portraying Obama as a man who has allowed himself to be possessed by evil forces in return for receiving power beyond his wildest imaginings.
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat: I assume we all try to forget those dark times.
NotMax
@TaMara
Friend who had a mastiff used to give the dog a coconut to bat around.
FlyingToaster
@Johnny Coelacanth: Not delicate, kiddo, just not interested. Wanna preach? Go on, preach over there to someone who has time to listen to you.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@p.a.:
Pretty much. I’m no longer surprised when I encounter a new transplant who is just amazed that they can’t really let their racist flag fly.
Brachiator
@kdaug:
Texas has always been its own special little world, in part because of its size, and also its attitude toward the rest of the country.
Brachiator
@Another Holocene Human:
I don’t do facebook. But still, this nonsense that you refer to suggests that the animating intelligence is the demon, not Obama himself. What bizarre, convoluted BS.
FlyingToaster
@schrodinger’s cat: E.D. Kain and Freddie deBoer. Another pair that I read for about two weeks and then just made sure I checked the byline before clicking.
Johnny Coelacanth
@Brachiator: “the demon, not Obama himself” But how can you tell where one ends and the other begins?
Renie
@schrodinger’s cat: i was also wondering that; she seemed to come out of nowhere.
ThresherK
@Brachiator: Yeah, speaking of prop bets, it being “we can bet on everything day”, what’s the over/under on how many days after Cruz drops out before Texas starts making secession noises again?
trnc
I bet every one of those ass clowns took the advice, too. Nice work, Ken.
Kathleen
@Brachiator: It appears to me as if everyone involved in the ad is trying too hard.
p.a.
@Renie: I believe her very first post she was taking shit simply for being vegan. I found that deeply disturbing; something I expect among my wingnut moron relatives, not here.
amk
@clueless:
Keep voting for the thugs and see the dollar getting fucked.
redshirt
@p.a.: It’s only natural when you push the topic though. I’m a 20 year vegetarian and I find vegans annoying from time to time. Too pushy, usually.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Johnny Coelacanth: Dude, it’s just boring.
She’s trying to do the knife-in-a-velvet-glove thing, and she’s doing it badly.
rikyrah
Just cooking the party wings, and going through the DVR
kdaug
@Brachiator: And that little kerfuffle with the Mexicans. Texas didn’t really have much of a stake in the Civil War (not a lot of slaves), but did have a lot of indians and one Antonio López de Santa Anna. And IIRC, there wasn’t much help incoming from the rest of the country.
So, yeah. Attitude adjustment. Reckon it persists.
Kathleen
@Felonius Monk: Was there a Goldtoe sock disappearance somewhere that I missed? If so, his desire to shun Baud is understandable.
Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)
@Baud:
I think the truth is coming out on baud! He admits to be a proud HOMO sapien who subscribes to several phonographic magazines and has been caught masticating in public. His wife is a practicing thespian who has performed before paying customers! Baud does not even try to deny these facts but the liberal media refuses to tell you the truth – America cannot afford 4 years of baud.
This message has been paid for by the Parmesan Rancor action committee for a better tomorrow.
p.a.
@redshirt: @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Maybe I’m not a deep reader, but I haven’t gotten that impression fron her posts, at least re: food issues, if not Boinie.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Brachiator:
There are racists everywhere, as we know. It was ever thus:
It wasn’t that long ago when Lloyd Bentsen and Ann Richards were big-wigs in Texas…
What’s different now is that the GOP has locked up the levers of power through redistricting and by attempting to beat down everyone and every organization that does not accept their world-view. Texas can (and eventually will) change back toward a more progressive state; and similar changes can be expected in the rest of the south. Let’s hope it happens as soon as possible.
A few SCOTUS decisions reversing many of the post-1980 decisions, more representative redistricting, higher wages and healthier people, may all get the change we want here sooner than we might expect right now.
Cheers,
Scott.
Johnny Coelacanth
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Sure, but I’ve been lurking/commenting here for going on ten years and have never been so stung by a FPer that I felt the need to complain in an unrelated thread, open or not. Complaining is even more boring than preaching.
Another Holocene Human
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: I think some Northerners move to the South because they are racist fucks and think that will be a great place for them. I’ve seen enough evidence to know that that is completely true of some people.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@p.a.: Nah, she was taking shit for being a judgemental/evangelical vegan. I’ve never had a conversation start off like that that didn’t end up with carnivores being equated to cannibals.
Another Holocene Human
@Brachiator: I think some people are into End Times shit because being able to perceive these (imaginary) connections makes them more special than other people.
p.a.
@Schlemazel (parmesan rancor): Baudwater: In your heart you know he’s wrong.
Eric U.
@FlyingToaster: is there really such a thing as a Hillbot? There were the PUMAs and FDL, late but not lamented. Kinda funny to see dKos turned on its head, but also not funny
Eric S.
@Steve in the ATL:
I’m going to a party to be social and will be betting on the commercials (“I’ve got a dollar that say the next commercial features a dog.”)
As far as the game goes, and by game I mean football not what’s happening today, all I have to say is pitchers and catchers report in two weeks.
PurpleGirl
@Felonius Monk: I’m watching the Kitten Bowl. Oh, such cute kittens. Did you see the ad for a Hallmark Kitten Olympics in August? Something else to look forward to.
kdaug
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
And Molly Ivans, Jim Hightower, Barbara Jordan, Bill Moyers, Cecile Richards…
Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)
@p.a.: BONGwater? thats not a coincidence!
Another Holocene Human
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Funny, she has this whole post on her blog about coming off too judgmental with meat-eaters.
She also pretty much admitted on that post that she cheats. If so, why call yourself a v*g*n except to troll people?
I’ve looked into veganism (and also, sadly, had a ringside seat to people in my life trying it out). When the months pass into years you’re either terrifically ill or getting shots from your doctor.
Or you cheat. It seems like the gurus always cheat; getting so ill your doc nearly has a heart attack when they see you is for the marks.
TaMara (BHF)
@NotMax: That’s an awesome idea.
gene108
@redshirt:
I think you mean once Brady goes.
Belichek’s made the play offs only once, with a not-Brady as his QB.
Another Holocene Human
In much of the world protein is supplemented by eating bugs. It’s very ecologically friendly. Don’t see vegan evangelists promoting that one.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@p.a.: I don’t think it’s deep reading as much as it’s “OFFS, she’s sounding just like X when he gets on a fundie-vegan tear.”
Brachiator
@Another Holocene Human:
In the Southern states with exit polls in 2012, you consistently saw Romney getting 65 percent of the white vote, and small variation between the voting patterns of white men and white women. Outside the South, there was more variation. This is what I mean when I talk about a typical racist core of the South.
Mississippi was a virulent outlier in its voting.
I know a fair amount about Reconstruction. And yeh, I didn’t learn it in school.
I am always curious to learn more. Is there any stuff that you would particularly recommend on the topic?
glory b
@schrodinger’s cat: Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
I’d like to apply.
The Other Chuck
@Another Holocene Human: You’re not a perfect human being, so why call yourself a human except … oh right, trolling is in fact all you’re interested in.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Another Holocene Human: No, they usually just refuse to believe that soy allergies actually exist.
p.a.
@Brachiator: LSU has published a lot on Reconstruction. I believe the Foners have. C Vann Woodward. Classics. More recent scholarship: google.
Brachiator
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
This is absolutely true. I don’t let the rest of the country off the hook when I note that there is a higher concentration of racists in the South compared to the rest of the country.
And populist racists in the South and elsewhere had, and still have, no problem in excluding nonwhite people. And I don’t see Texas changing anytime soon, no matter how many “progressives” attempt to transform it.
redshirt
@gene108: Both. I’m not entirely convinced Brady would be that successful in a different system, today.
rikyrah
@Cacti:
LOL
the Black man is wiley……He is a trickster.
That he is smarter than all of them….scares them.
Tee hee hee
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@Elie: Ouch. Glad you’re on the mend.
My knees are shot — I’m probably headed your way eventually. Not looking forward to it.
Downpuppy
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Texas is working on extreme voter ID & intimidation to lock in white power for at least the next 20 years
FlyingToaster
@Eric U.: (Regarding Hillbots) My mom is one :)
However, even she laughed at the toaster household voting preferences:
Me: Hillary Clinton -> Bernie Sanders -> Zika Virus -> any Republican
HerrDoktor: Bernie Sanders -> Hillary Clinton -> Ebola -> any Republican
Like most Democrats, we’d prefer an infectious deadly virus to anyone on the GOP slate.
catclub
@Brachiator: I agree with all that. I would add that Trump has no endurance, and the fact that he flies home every night to sleep in his own bed – is either lazy or creepy.
He does one event every other day or so while Hillary and everyone else does 3 or four per day.
That has only come out this week, but has been in plane (sic) sight sight all along.
J R in WV
@Brachiator:
@Elie:
My shoulder replacements were a miracle. Second one in late June, pain free since recovering from the surgery – which was more difficult and harsher than the first one. But I completed PT with better than expected mobility and strength.
Mrs J is getting her first knee done next month, is somewhat apprehensive about it. But her knees are a wreck, so I’m sure she will be way better off after. Her right knee x-ray didn’t even look like a knee~!
Take care and do your exercises!!
lgerard
@Brachiator:
The classic book on Florida during reconstruction is Shofner’s “Nor is it Over Yet” published in the 1970’s
Eric S.
@J R in WV:
My shoulder surgery was 1 year ago. I can fully agree with this one.
Elie
@J R in WV:
Absolutely!
My knee was also horrible. I had a deformity of the joint called a valgus which caused the knee to bow inwards. That was all corrected and my leg is now straight.
The work of rehab is essential and done mostly on your own (visit PT twice a week — on your own outside of that, so you have to get crackin)
Thanks for the encouragement. I also had a shoulder resurfacing back in 2009 and it went great with minimal pain. My joints all suck so I am sure over time I will become the true bionic woman.
Karmus
Open thread? Cool. Can anyone tell me how to stop music/video playing if I look at my keyboard funny while trying to read this blog? Reading being a passé activity of olds, I am sure. Okay, back to the shrill vegans.
Go, Panthers, I guess.
Elie
@catclub:
I’ve always believed that he is not that healthy and that he is being cautious about over extending himself. Yeah I know his bullshit doc said he had never seen a healthier person but that fat face with the puffy eyes and big belly tell me something else. He is probably also lazy, but this guy is not in shape to do anything else but a measured pace.
Elie
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA:
When you need it you need it.
Arclite
Bought and fucking paid for.
John D.
@redshirt:
Exhibit A in why people think Pats’ fans are annoying.
The most dominant team this year is in the Super Bowl. The most dominant defense this year is facing them. The Pats do not have an innate claim to the Lombardi trophy, no matter what you may think.
Ruckus
@Elie:
Had shoulder surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff but not before I had PT to see if we could fix it without surgery. They couldn’t. So surgery and then another 6 months of PT. Far more painful than getting hit by the truck that caused the tear in the first place. Oh, did I forget to mention that I was not in a car when the truck hit me?
Anyway, enough stories, hope you do well and things work out well. OK one more story. I was a professional bicycle fitter a few yrs ago and had a client who had an aftermarket knee. His complaint was that his knee was getting hot. By fitting him properly we kept him from overloading his knee, keeping it cool. Otherwise he’d have worn it out far sooner and he’d have to go through the same thing all over.
Darkrose
@p.a.: That’s because in her first post, instead of just introducing herself and posting recipes, she started right in with the vegan evangelizing and shaming and wondering why so-called animal lovers eat meat. I have no problem with other people’s food choices, but I get annoyed when they browbeat me about mine.
Darkrose
@Eric S.: 10 days, 16 minutes as of now.
Joel
@Another Holocene Human: I get skipping the meat. The “fish loves its life like I love mine”. I get that. I even get avoiding mass-produced dairy/eggs for animal cruelty concerns. But you can get local dairy/eggs these days and fuck, man, eggs are the goddamn essence of life.
Ruckus
@Darkrose:
Plus I don’t recall any pet pictures.
As you your answer, I agree, I’ve seen a lot of condescending posts and replies. And not in the good natured way that John tells us to fuck off. Maybe we are reading too much into her posts but with the number of us that seem to feel the same way I’m not convinced of that.