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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Interesting Read: “The Original Russia Connection”

Interesting Read: “The Original Russia Connection”

by Anne Laurie|  August 17, 20179:13 pm| 115 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Dolt 45, Excellent Links, Foreign Affairs, Russiagate

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(Put this post together last weekend, but… stuff happened.)

Andrew Rice, at NYMag — “Felix Sater has cut deals with the FBI, Russian oligarchs, and Donald Trump. He’s also quite a talker”:

On June 19 in a courtroom in Downtown Brooklyn, a federal judge took up the enigmatic case of an individual known as John Doe. According to the heavily redacted court record, Doe was an expert money launderer, convicted in connection with a stock swindle almost 20 years ago. But many other facts about his strange and sordid case remained obscured. The courtroom was filled with investigative journalists from numerous outlets along with lawyers petitioning to unseal documents related to the prosecution. “This case,” argued John Langford, a First Amendment specialist from Yale Law School who represented a Forbes editor, implicates an “integrity interest of the highest order.” The public had a right to know more about Doe’s history, Langford argued, especially in light of “the relationship between the defendant in this case and the president of the United States.”

John Doe’s real name, everyone in the courtroom knew, was Felix Sater. Born in Moscow and raised in Brooklyn, Sater was Donald Trump’s original conduit to Russia. As a real-estate deal-maker, he was the moving force behind the Trump Soho tower, which was built by developers from the former Soviet Union a decade ago. Long before Donald Trump Jr. sat down to talk about kompromat with a group of Kremlin-connected Russians, Sater squired him and Ivanka around on their first business trip to Moscow. And long before their father struck up a bizarrely chummy relationship with Vladimir Putin, Sater was the one who introduced the future president to a byzantine world of oligarchs and mysterious money.

Sater was a canny operator and a colorful bullshitter, and there were always many rumors about his background: that he was a spy, that he was an FBI informant, that he was tied to organized crime. Like a lot of aspects of the stranger-than-fiction era of President Trump, these stories were both conspiratorial on their face and, it turns out, verifiably true. Langford read aloud from the transcript of a 2011 court hearing, only recently disclosed, in which the Justice Department acknowledged Sater’s assistance in investigations of the Mafia, the Russian mob, Al Qaeda, and unspecified “foreign governments.” A prosecutor once called Sater, in another secret proceeding, “the key to open a hundred different doors.” Many were wondering now whether he could unlock the truth about Trump and Russia.

In the universe of what the president has called, with telling self-centrism, his “satellite” associates, Sater spins in an unmapped orbit. The president has said under oath that he “really wouldn’t know what he looked like” if they were in the same room. (For the record, Sater is 51 years old and olive-complexioned, with heavy-lidded eyes.) Yet their paths have intersected frequently over the years. Most recently, in February, the Times reported that Sater had attempted to broker a pro-Russian peace deal in Ukraine, handing a proposal to Michael Cohen, the president’s personal attorney, to pass to Michael Flynn, who was then still the national-security adviser. Both Cohen and Flynn are now reported to be under scrutiny by the FBI, in connection with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russia’s election interference and Trump’s campaign.

If there really is a sinister explanation for the mutual affinity between Trump and Putin, it almost certainly traces back to money…

And if there is any kind of a logical explanation for Trump’s successful-so-far maneuvers to avoid actual pauperism / serious legal consequences, I’m guessing it rides along the murky confluences where the lures of big money intersect with the desire of “Great Powers” to influence and undermine each other. Like pilot fish and sharksuckers, crime lords and talented grifters are naturally attracted — and attractive — to the “intelligence” services, to a degree where sorting individual actors between legal and illicit becomes more of a timeline than a definition. The biggest barrier to getting honest answers may end up being that no one agency trusts any other (even, especially, its ‘partners’) to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Sure, they don’t want the criminals to escape… but even more important, they don’t want the other teams in the home league to get more credit and/or information. (She says, as someone living in Whitey Bulger’s and the Tsarnaev brothers’ stomping grounds.)

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  1. 1.

    TenguPhule

    August 17, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    Hoping for a good Friday News Dump.

  2. 2.

    lollipopguild

    August 17, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    What is this “stuff happened” that you speak of? Things have been so calm and quiet lately except for some place in Virginia.

  3. 3.

    Another Scott

    August 17, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    Relatedly, TheHill:

    A co-author of President Trump’s 1987 best-selling memoir “Art of the Deal” is predicting the president will resign from office before the end of the year.

    “The circle is closing at blinding speed. Trump is going to resign and declare victory before Mueller and Congress leave him no choice,” Tony Schwartz said Thursday.

    “Trump must be isolated. Resistance every day. The end is near but must keep pressure high,” he added.

    Schwartz made a similar prediction in May when he said that Trump would resign because he was in “pure terror” over the ongoing investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into possible collusion between his presidential campaign and Russia.

    “There is no right and wrong for Trump. There’s winning and losing. And that’s very different from right and wrong. Right now he’s in pure terror that he is going to lose,” Schwartz said in May.

    “And by the way, he is going to lose.”

    Emphasis added.

    He knows him pretty well, so maybe there’s something to it. It kinda fits my picture of him, but he’s so brain damaged now that he may be too stupid to quit before dragging the whole government down around him.

    :-(

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  4. 4.

    Patricia Kayden

    August 17, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    @Another Scott: I don’t see how Trump can resign and then declare victory. He’s delusional but that would be a bridge too far for even him.

  5. 5.

    JPL

    August 17, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    What the hell is going on? I hate to quote Trump but it is appropriate. The NYTimes is going to print a story about James Murdoch slamming Trump, and if he lost Fox, he’s done.

  6. 6.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    She says, as someone living in Whitey Bulger’s and the Tsarnaev brothers’ stomping grounds

    That would suggest that any of us, living inside I-495 during the last 30 years or so, bears some responsibility for those two sociopaths. I don’t believe that and neither do you.

  7. 7.

    debbie

    August 17, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    SNL’s pretty good tonight. I may have to take up sheetcaking.

  8. 8.

    JPL

    August 17, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: The repubs can convince him to leave for health reasons, and then close down the FBI investigation. The problem is if the Attorney General of NY Schneiderman, is investigating him, they cannot shut that down.
    I have no idea what will happen, but I hope it is before the end of August. I bet a son on inauguration day, that he’d be gone before September. Trump will spite me and wait until September.

  9. 9.

    germy

    August 17, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @debbie: My wife is laughing because I noticed she’s been bringing home cake and pastries ever since the election.

  10. 10.

    rikyrah

    August 17, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    Update on my sister.
    She’s out of ICU.
    She’s in a regular room.
    Yes, she has issues that they have to get under control, but they’re working on it..and she’s out of ICU!
    Thanks for all the prayers. Please keep them coming.

  11. 11.

    Yarrow

    August 17, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @Another Scott: He’ll only resign if he can figure out how to get out of going to prison. If he can’t get a deal he’s not going to go willingly. I don’t think he’ll get a deal.

  12. 12.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 17, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: if trump resigns can Mueller continue?

  13. 13.

    Baud

    August 17, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    @rikyrah: Good news.

  14. 14.

    Yarrow

    August 17, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    @rikyrah: Fantastic news! I hope all goes well with her health issues and they are able to get everything under control. Sending good thoughts.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    August 17, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: DOJ would have to determine whether a special counsel was still needed. It doesn’t necessarily end the need for the investigation, however.

  16. 16.

    germy

    August 17, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    @JPL:

    The NYTimes is going to print a story about James Murdoch slamming Trump

    Rupert had dinner with Trump and told him to fire Bannon. That didn’t happen, and so… now this.

    Also, a Murdoch paper ran a story about a Trump project being turned down in Australia because of ties to mobsters.

    If you refuse a direct Murdoch order, expect bad press from that family.

  17. 17.

    rikyrah

    August 17, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    Felix has been rotten for a long time. It’s said that the reason he’s avoided jail this long is because he had friends in high places who valued the information that he gave them on international targets. That protection came from the IC.
    I have believed that the IC has decided that they can’t afford Felix, because they have bigger fish to fry, so no more protection…
    Thus, he’s squealing.

  18. 18.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 17, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @rikyrah: great news, glad to hear it!

  19. 19.

    Davebo

    August 17, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    If Trump resigns Mueller can indict him.

  20. 20.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 17, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    @rikyrah: Excellent news, we’re keeping good thoughts.

  21. 21.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 17, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    This is important:

    This is a pretty amazing paragraph from Wood's article: pic.twitter.com/LMuvWfJJHf

    — Felt (@MrFelt_) August 17, 2017

    It is from here:

    Paul Wood knocks it out of the park again … t.co/bJDnQb2wP2

    — John Schindler (@20committee) August 17, 2017

  22. 22.

    Yarrow

    August 17, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Mueller’s job was to investigate Russian influence in the election. The investigation has widened because so much of Trump’s team and the GOP are involved. It has become follow-the-money as well and has gone into money-laundering. Trump resigning would not impact the investigation into all that. However, a new President could appoint a new Attorney General and that person could fire Mueller. At this point I don’t think that would go over well.

  23. 23.

    NonyNony

    August 17, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Another Scott: Trump quitting is wishful thinking. Obama is in his head and anything less than 2 terms where he dismantles everything Obama did would be losing. He’s not going to do that.

    He’s more likely to be removed by the 25th amendment than resign, and the 25A solution is incredibly unlikely.

  24. 24.

    TenguPhule

    August 17, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @JPL:

    I bet a son on inauguration day, that he’d be gone before September.

    You bet a what?

  25. 25.

    rikyrah

    August 17, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    Matthew Chapman‏Verified account @fawfulfan

    GOP senator accuses mom worried about her kids’ insurance of being a paid fake activist –
    shareblue.com/gop-senator-accuses-mom-worried-about-her-kids-insurance-of-being-a-paid-fake-activist…

  26. 26.

    Iowa Old Lady

    August 17, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @rikyrah: That’s great! Hope she continues to improve.

  27. 27.

    Mike J

    August 17, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @rikyrah: Out of ICU is always good news. She might be able to get a good night’s sleep, something that’s hard enough to do in a hospital, but impossible in ICU.

  28. 28.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 17, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: oh my.

  29. 29.

    Ohio Mom

    August 17, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    @rikyrah: Great news!

    Obviously, when someone needs it, the ICU is the place to be. But I’ve found it too weird for comfort to see a loved one in there, surrounded by all those tubes and monitors. Has made me weak in the knees.

    Big sigh of relief and big wishes for recovery to continue to proceed apace.

  30. 30.

    Mnemosyne

    August 17, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    I just saw some idiot friend of a distant relative claim on Facebook that the Trumps are being treated worse than the Obamas were.

    I.
    Can’t.
    Even.

    I’m done for the day. My level of Fucking Moron has gotten too high, and I need to eat some dinner, read some books, and prep some vegetables before I pop a blood vessel. I’ll see all y’all tomorrow.

  31. 31.

    Mike in NC

    August 17, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    I see Trump going out like the James Cagney villain in White Heat. “Made it, Melania! Top of the world!” as he pushes the nuclear button.

  32. 32.

    Mnemosyne

    August 17, 2017 at 9:43 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Yay! Good news!

  33. 33.

    JPL

    August 17, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    @Davebo: The repubs could close down the investigation, and Pence could pardon him. The catch though is if he is charged by NY state.

  34. 34.

    Felonius Monk

    August 17, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @rikyrah: Great news. Peace be with both of you and your family.

  35. 35.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 17, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: is that an OK source?

  36. 36.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 17, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    @Mnemosyne: well, I’d say trump is taking way more shit, but he deserves it all and then some.

  37. 37.

    JPL

    August 17, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    @TenguPhule: haha. I bet my son that the asshole in chief would be gone. Hopefully my son is here long after I’m gone. Hopefully, the asshole in chief is behind bars.

  38. 38.

    rikyrah

    August 17, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    @thehill
    Kevin Durant won’t attend NBA championship reception at White House because he “doesn’t respect” Trump hill.cm/fvULXpV

  39. 39.

    Mnemosyne

    August 17, 2017 at 9:48 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Before I go, I finally got my recipes today, but it also looks like short-term freezing of vegetables before cooking them is no big deal, so I should be able to chop and prep my green beans, fennel bulb, zucchini, etc, freeze them, and use them throughout the week without losing too much flavor. Phew!

  40. 40.

    germy

    August 17, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    Steve Bannon Detonates His Trump Survival Plan, Worrying Allies

    “He’s saying, ‘I’m going to force you to fire me in a public way or we’re going to follow the agenda we were elected for,'” an ally said.

    Allies who spend too long in Donald Trump’s doghouse usually get sent away for good. Chief strategist Steve Bannon is trying to forestall that fate.

    Bannon — the polarizing and enigmatic hero of the alt-right, who has become a flashpoint in the aftermath of the white supremacist violence in Charlottesville, Virginia — has for months drawn the president’s ire, with Trump feeling his strategist seeks too much credit for his election win.

    “That fucking Steve Bannon taking credit for my election,” Trump recently told a confidant, referring to a new book focused on Bannon’s influence, Devil’s Bargain by Joshua Green, according to a source with knowledge of the conversation.

  41. 41.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 17, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: It’s okay. As far as I know.

  42. 42.

    Yarrow

    August 17, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Great news! If you want to ask for advice now you have the recipes I’m sure people would be happy to offer suggestions.

  43. 43.

    debbie

    August 17, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Great news! ?

  44. 44.

    debbie

    August 17, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    @germy:

    Yep. I’ve hit Graeters way more than usual.

  45. 45.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Update on my sister

    I don’t want to intrude where I’m not welcome, but having just gone thru kidney failure, hospitalization, and starting dialysis myself over the last month, I might have some useful insight.
    Feel free to ignore me. Also feel free to get my email from Anne Laurie.

  46. 46.

    Ruckus

    August 17, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    @rikyrah:
    Yea! Always nice to hear good news.

  47. 47.

    Anne Laurie

    August 17, 2017 at 9:58 pm

    @efgoldman:

    That would suggest that any of us, living inside I-495 during the last 30 years or so, bears some responsibility for those two sociopaths. I don’t believe that and neither do you.

    Nope — just pointing out that we’ve got a little more up-close-and-personal reason to believe that Our Gubmint may be unnecessarily conflicted when it comes to prosecuting this topic.

    Lots of Bostonians consoled each other for years with the lie that At least Whitey kept the drug dealers out of the neighborhood… or with the later lie that If a couple of immigrant thugs in Waltham murder each other over drugs, it’s practically a public service. Turning a collective blind eye to law enforcers who ‘bend the rules a little’ isn’t just immoral and corrosive, it’s dangerous.

  48. 48.

    different-church-lady

    August 17, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    @JPL:

    I bet a son on inauguration day, that he’d be gone before September.

    It would be terrible to lose a child in a bet. Why didn’t you just say fifty bucks?

  49. 49.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    @Ruckus: I thought of you this evening when CBS ran a detailed story of how the sailors in the flooded compartment of the Fitzgerald reacted.
    I turned to mrs efg and said: the training worked.

  50. 50.

    JPL

    August 17, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: He’s on my list of magical thinking, and by that I mean he states things that I want to be true. He’s better then Claude and Mensch, but it is still magical thinking.

  51. 51.

    germy

    August 17, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    @JPL:

    He’s better then Claude and Mensch, but it is still magical thinking.

    I’d add the Palmer Report to that list.

  52. 52.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    Turning a collective blind eye to law enforcers who ‘bend the rules a little’ isn’t just immoral and corrosive

    Which in the end, wasn’t done. Conelly went in the slam, and I don’t think he was the only LOE who did.

    ETA: I don’t know what could have been done in advance with the Tsarnaevs. Pre-emptive law enforcement is still not allowed.

  53. 53.

    eclare

    August 17, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    @rikyrah: So glad to hear about your sister, big improvement!

  54. 54.

    MomSense

    August 17, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    @rikyrah:

    That’s feet news! We will keep the prayers going her way.

    I fell asleep at 7 and just woke up. Not sure if I want to go back to bed or not. Weird

  55. 55.

    Gelfling 545

    August 17, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    @rikyrah: Oh, excellent news! Hoping for continued progress.

  56. 56.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 17, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    @JPL: are we talking about Paul Wood or John Schindler?

  57. 57.

    Shana

    August 17, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    @debbie: Hey! We’ll be in Cincy for a family wedding tomorrow to Sunday. Although I’m lactose intollerant, the rest of the family will insist on visits every day, at least once, while we’re there.

  58. 58.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    August 17, 2017 at 10:06 pm

    @rikyrah: Good luck to her.

  59. 59.

    Anne Laurie

    August 17, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    @Yarrow:

    He’ll only resign if he can figure out how to get out of going to prison.

    He may pull a larger variant on the “You’re not quitting, I’m FIRING you!” stunt he just pulled with those business councils that were disbanded.

    Or it may be forced upon him, by Team Javanka or Team Putin, that it’s better to be in exile somewhere with no extradiction treaty than in jail.

    I figure part of Mike Pence’s current South American tour, apart from being out of the national media spotlight, is to scout out foreign officials who might be brought or bought around to offering asylum to some nice Christian gentlemen who might’ve been mislead by false ‘friends’…

  60. 60.

    mozzerb

    August 17, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: The Spectator is a long established conservative magazine here in the UK, maybe roughly parallel to the National Review in the USA? So if they’re publishing an anti-Trump article, I wouldn’t say they’re guaranteed to get it right but at least it won’t be leftish wishful thinking.

  61. 61.

    germy

    August 17, 2017 at 10:08 pm

    Photo of the Day: GOP Rep. Rohrabacher Poses With Holocaust Denier Chuck C. Johnson at Assange Meeting t.co/YtnmB47TRX pic.twitter.com/mUMBGavr65— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 17, 2017

  62. 62.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 17, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    @rikyrah:

    That all sounds promising, rikyrah. I don’t pray, but have been keeping your sister and you in my heart and thoughts. (And Peanut!)

  63. 63.

    Anne Laurie

    August 17, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    @rikyrah: Good news is always welcome! Will keep praying that she continues to improve.

  64. 64.

    Felonius Monk

    August 17, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    @debbie:

    I’ve hit Graeters way more than usual.

    What, no love for Jeni’s?

  65. 65.

    prostratedragon

    August 17, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    I understand this was used in the Fargo tv show. I know it from having sung the whole thing in my church choir back in the day. It’s a wonderful sing-along. Who’ll be the soloist with the GOP chorus, Sater, or Manafort?

    “Libera Me” from Requiem by Faure

  66. 66.

    Gelfling 545

    August 17, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    @JPL: And Schneiderman better hire some top notch security if it comes to that.

  67. 67.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 10:15 pm

    @germy:

    GOP Rep. Rohrabacher Poses With Holocaust Denier Chuck C. Johnson

    What’s lower than slime mold? Because whatever it is, Dana Rohrbacher is lower.

  68. 68.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 17, 2017 at 10:16 pm

    @efgoldman: Gohmert?

  69. 69.

    JPL

    August 17, 2017 at 10:16 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: John Schindler

  70. 70.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 17, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    Rick Wilson last winter

    Verified account TheRickWilson
    Remember, remember,
    The 8th of November,
    ‘Twas Putin, and treason and plot;
    I see no reason
    Why pro-Russian treason
    Should ever be forgot.
    2:55 PM – 10 Dec 2016

    Rick Wilson tonight

    Rick Wilson‏Verified account @ TheRickWilson 2h2 hours ag
    Just wanted to re-up this. You’ll know why in about two weeks.

    not holding my breath, or waiting for frog walks or perp-walks, but Wilson might have a source

  71. 71.

    Quinerly

    August 17, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    @rikyrah:
    ❤??

  72. 72.

    rikyrah

    August 17, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    Terrell J. Starr‏Verified account @Russian_Starr

    Black Trump supporters are complicit in defending the president’s racism. My latest post.

    twitter.com/Russian_Starr/status/898190217294860288

  73. 73.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Gohmert?

    Gohmert is dumber than slime mold. I don’t know if he’s lower.

  74. 74.

    Ruckus

    August 17, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    @efgoldman:
    I told an ensign that I worked for that his denigrating the sailors as being unprepared was bullshit. We got called to general quarters 2 days later at 3am. Entire ship up and at um in less than 2 minutes and most of us were asleep. Turned out to be a fire, and the ninny officer on deck either didn’t know we had a fire alarm or panicked. I’m going with #2. Also you have to understand that up and at um means everyone gets up, dressed, runs to their station and report ready, and it seems like everyone sleeping in the front of the ship has to go aft and everyone in the rear has to go to the front, and there is one passage way for everyone to run in. Ensign never said another word.
    BTW I was stationed on the previous generation of DDG, the Charles Adams class.

  75. 75.

    rikyrah

    August 17, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    Darren Sands‏Verified account @darrensands

    I profiled @staceyabrams, whose candidacy for governor of GA is stirring the Democratic Party in ways big & small.

    twitter.com/darrensands/status/898350184580739072

  76. 76.

    Yarrow

    August 17, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    @Felonius Monk: Jeni’s is stupidly expensive. It’s delicious but I’m not sure it’s $10-12 a pint delicious.

    @Anne Laurie: Yes, there have to be things happening behind the scenes that we won’t know about until they just happen. I thought I read that Pence will be back in town and he and Trump will be at Camp David this weekend. Saw speculation that it could be some discussion of how to get Trump out of there.

  77. 77.

    Bupalos

    August 17, 2017 at 10:23 pm

    @rikyrah: Wow, I can’t say I agree with this. Kevin durant is a basketball player, and he needs to show some respect. Donald Trump may have some issues, but he’s the president of the united states, and was elected by Citizens, he’s the representative of the majority, and if we’re going to let basketball players tell respectable citizens HAHA I YANKED YOUR CHAIN DJT ISN’T FIT TO WIPE DURANTS BUTT!!! Despite the fact that I don’t like durant one bit, he’s a rather-switch-than-fight guy, but DJT still can’t trim durant toenails!

  78. 78.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 10:24 pm

    @Ruckus:

    I told an ensign that I worked for that his denigrating the sailors as being unprepared was bullshit.

    Everybody knows that ensigns, or second lieutenants in the other services, don’t know shit. The smart ones shut their yaps, and listen and learn. The rest not so much.
    When I was on active duty, and the officers in our unit were all MDs, nurses, or dentists, we spent an awful lot of time with “with all due respect sir…”

  79. 79.

    lamh36

    August 17, 2017 at 10:24 pm

    Wow…Lexington, KENTUCKY!!!

    Like I said…people of good will are tired of the BS.

    @ahylton26
    BREAKING: The city of Lexington, Kentucky votes unanimously to remove 2 confederate statues from the city’s downtown center.
    8:05 PM – Aug 17, 2017

  80. 80.

    Yarrow

    August 17, 2017 at 10:24 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Rick Wilson was one of those Republicans who kept hinting about what turned out to be the Steele dossier. They knew about it before it was released.

  81. 81.

    Amir Khalid

    August 17, 2017 at 10:25 pm

    @rikyrah:
    That’s good to hear. Still sending good thoughts your way.

  82. 82.

    lamh36

    August 17, 2017 at 10:26 pm

    Is Trump still going to Phoenix?

    Is it this weekend?

    @JoyAnnReid
    Sadly this has to be asked: what happens if Trump incites racial violence in Phoenix? What if neo-Nazis/white supremacists show up?
    twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/898366778732150785

  83. 83.

    Steve in the ATL

    August 17, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    @efgoldman:

    That would suggest that any of us, living inside I-495 during the last 30 years or so, bears some responsibility for those two sociopaths. I don’t believe that and neither do you.

    In related news, I turned on the TV in my hotel room and “Boondock Saints” is playing

  84. 84.

    Quinerly

    August 17, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    @lamh36:
    Rally set for Tues. Mayor asked him not to come.

  85. 85.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 10:28 pm

    @lamh36:

    what happens if Trump incites racial violence in Phoenix? What if neo-Nazis/white supremacists show up?

    In an open carry state, too, right?

  86. 86.

    Yarrow

    August 17, 2017 at 10:28 pm

    @rikyrah: Wow. The comments/tweet replies under that are just brutal.

  87. 87.

    Felonius Monk

    August 17, 2017 at 10:28 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Jeni’s is stupidly expensive.

    I agree, but it was only about $8 a pint here in upstate NY. I’m sticking with Ben & Jerry.

  88. 88.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 17, 2017 at 10:29 pm

    @rikyrah: Clayton Bigsby?

  89. 89.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 10:30 pm

    @Quinerly:

    Mayor asked him not to come.

    Boston issued a permit for Saturday, but the list of things the police will confiscate (and probably arrest holders) for is very long.
    The Boston and state police aren’t going to like being told to work on Saturday.

  90. 90.

    lamh36

    August 17, 2017 at 10:30 pm

    @lamh36: My advice to activist who I am sure will show up…DO NOT ENGAGE…let them engage first…then when you retaliate it can be considered just defending yourself.

  91. 91.

    Yarrow

    August 17, 2017 at 10:31 pm

    @Felonius Monk: I’ve seen it on sale for $6, but I think that was after they had their listeria issues and needed to get back in the market. Usually $10 a pint but I’ve seen special flavors as high as $12. Honestly I’ve quit looking at the price because I never buy it. Even Ben & Jerry’s is approaching $4 a pint without some kind of sale or deal so I only buy that when it’s on sale. I love ice cream and know way too much about what it costs. LOL.

  92. 92.

    Ruckus

    August 17, 2017 at 10:32 pm

    @efgoldman:
    I didn’t bother with all due respect. I was in charge of the entire navigation system for the ship and the only one on board who knew how to maintain and fix it and only one authorized to do so. This ensign was not one of the smart ones. At least in everyone’s mind but his. Thing was he wasn’t an idiot, he just had a rather inflated view of himself. Not all that unheard of with butterbars.

  93. 93.

    trollhattan

    August 17, 2017 at 10:33 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Whoever this person is, if he’s right then I’ll be more than happy to toss some hosannas his way.

    RustMuller never sleeps.

  94. 94.

    debbie

    August 17, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    It’s been shut down a couple times because of listeria. Can’t trust them anymore.

  95. 95.

    different-church-lady

    August 17, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    So what does one wear to a Nazi shout-down?

  96. 96.

    Quinerly

    August 17, 2017 at 10:35 pm

    @efgoldman:
    I’m very worried about Boston.

  97. 97.

    Yarrow

    August 17, 2017 at 10:35 pm

    @lamh36: Hope Suzanne will weigh in with some local insight into what she’s hearing on local media and all.

  98. 98.

    trollhattan

    August 17, 2017 at 10:36 pm

    @Felonius Monk:
    Pliny the Elder is less than $8/pint. Just sayin’.

  99. 99.

    different-church-lady

    August 17, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    @Quinerly: Don’t — we know how to handle punks and terrorists.

  100. 100.

    Anne Laurie

    August 17, 2017 at 10:38 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I don’t know what could have been done in advance with the Tsarnaevs. Pre-emptive law enforcement is still not allowed.

    Of course not, but there was that ‘drug related’ triple murder in Waltham. I’m not the only person who thinks that, whether or not Tamerlan was the actual murderer, if the Responsible Authorities had taken those deaths seriously rather than saying “They were just low-level dealers, and the national three-letter-agency guys wanna protect their possible sources”, the elder Tsarnaev would have been too busy to keep messing with pressure-cooker bombs. Bad drug policy compounded lousy “intelligence” policy.

  101. 101.

    efgoldman

    August 17, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    @Quinerly:

    I’m very worried about Boston

    Unless they’ve been lying to the media, which I doubt, the mayor and police are not going to put up with even a smidgen of shit. March, yell, don’t bring a flag or a stick or a back pack….

  102. 102.

    Ruckus

    August 17, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    @Yarrow:
    As well they should be. A black (or jew) man throwing his lot in with white supremacists and actual nazis? What the ever loving fuck? There can’t possibly be enough money in the world for that.

  103. 103.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 17, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    @different-church-lady: Pu$$y hats?

  104. 104.

    zhena gogolia

    August 17, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Wonderful!

  105. 105.

    ThresherK

    August 17, 2017 at 10:49 pm

    @Yarrow: “Way too much knowledgd” is me looking at a 1-qt Cuisinart ice cream maker at a Sally Army store for $10, wondering if this is it.

  106. 106.

    different-church-lady

    August 17, 2017 at 10:59 pm

    Ahh… Universal Hub!

    Make Way for Nazis?
    By Will LaTulippe on Thu, 08/17/2017 – 10:22pm
    I read that when I was a kid. The characters were named Quack, Quack, Quack, Quack, Quack, Quack, Quack, and Quack.

  107. 107.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 17, 2017 at 11:01 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Black Trump supporters

    Both of them.

  108. 108.

    Anne Laurie

    August 17, 2017 at 11:03 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Boston issued a permit for Saturday, but the list of things the police will confiscate (and probably arrest holders) for is very long.

    It was the lead news on all three local stations today, and from what I’ve heard I’m in favor. The permits have time limits — noon to two — and arrangements, including jersey barriers, are being put in place to keep ‘both sides’ apart. No food vendors permitted (cuts down on the looky-loos) or ‘clothing’ vendors (no big displays of treason tees and Nazi memorabilia). Swan boats will be taken out of the water, and the Frog Pond toddler splashing pool shut (tourists & innocent bystanders will be told that Nazis have ruined their afternoon fun). The Freeze Peach “idealists” will no doubt whine so hard that dogs will be in pain, but treating it as a potential public safety hazard sounds about right to me.

    (Also, I fully expect yet another teenage idiot to attempt to throw a rock through the Holocaust Memorial panes… assuming the enhanced security patrols don’t discourage them.)

  109. 109.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    August 17, 2017 at 11:07 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Best wishes… positive thoughts coming your way.

  110. 110.

    Cheryl Rofer

    August 17, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Paul Wood and John Schindler are two of the people whose news about Trump I take with a grain of salt. They get some stuff right, but not always. Both seem to have too much of an agenda of their own for me to feel confident of their information.

  111. 111.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 17, 2017 at 11:11 pm

    @rikyrah:
    Semi-seriously, I have been grateful for all minorities, especially blacks, since despite my vote my demographic as a whole has decided to burn the country down rather than share it with you. Jesus fuckity fuck.

  112. 112.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 17, 2017 at 11:19 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Co-sign.

  113. 113.

    SgrAstar

    August 17, 2017 at 11:27 pm

    @rikyrah: Great news, rikyrah. Your family must be so relieved.

  114. 114.

    Suffragette City

    August 18, 2017 at 12:41 am

    @rikyrah Sorry to see your sister is ill and glad for all of you that she is out of ICU.

    As far as Wood, Schindler and the rest, I think Fitzmas taught me to believe it when it happens and not before no matter how much I want it to. That and the first Bundy trial verdict in Oregon. Oh yeah, and the election. The list grows ever longer.

  115. 115.

    SFAW

    August 18, 2017 at 12:48 am

    @rikyrah:

    Thanks for all the prayers. Please keep them coming.

    Done. And thanks for the hopeful/good news.

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