Oh yeah? Well if McCain does not have an eleventy billion percent convention bump, the Republican convention is a failure.
See? Two can play your silly expectations game, you fool.
BTW- The pick is probably gonna be Biden according to the media, who I rate as the person most likely of all the VP possibles to call Mitt Romney an asshole. Others are hoping for a casual “m____ f_____.” Either way, I call that a win.
Wini
Good evening, John. A friend from D.C. texted “Clinton” to me an hour or so ago.. I about had a heart attack. Oh, and Larry King is live at 11:20 CST? What?
L. Ron Obama
Obama will be forced to drop out immediately after the Republican convention, and McCain will win by forfeit. That’s how good it will be. Anything less would be, historically, a total failure.
Oh, same for McCain’s VP pick.
RoonieRoo
I’m hoping it will be Biden. I guess we’ll see in the morning. This is assuming my lovely insomnia doesn’t tank my ability to be awake at the time of the text/email.
L. Ron Obama
Larry King just announced it–Obama’s new VP is Larry King.
Splitting Image
Biden has a lot of positives, but if everyone is convinced it’s him, it’s not.
Obama can’t afford to let the media be right about anything. People might think they’re right about John McCain.
I still think it’s going to be Brian Schweitzer. But that is partly because I think there is a good case that he’s the best person for the job.
It’s possible Obama doesn’t think so, and let’s face it. He’s the guy who decides what the job’s description is.
wasabi gasp
If Bush and Cheney are gonna be at the Republican convention, I’ll play the high expectations game and give it a -5 slump.
L. Ron Obama
Obama did say from the beginning that all the VP rumors and speculation would be wrong. I wonder if that even extends to the last 12 hours.
tbogg
Women who date Michael Goldfarb have an expectation of at least four inches. Even a nice dinner can’t mask their disappointment….
PeterJ
Nothing about the POW bump?
KRK
What are people predicting for the media’s handling of the Paul-ites’ shadow convention in Minneapolis? Will they ignore it or will it overshadow the POW-athon in Saint Paul? There’s a lot more nightlife in Minneapolis, so I can imagine that media folks (and RNC delegates) looking for a good time will prefer to camp out on the west side of the river.
Warren Terra
CNN claimed that the Secret Service was now extending protection to Biden. If true, this would mean the Obama campaign leaks less than the Secret Service, which would be somewhat interesting.
On the other hand, I didn’t hear CNN repeat this claim; maybe it was poorly sourced, or maybe the Secret Service complained to CNN, or maybe I just didn’t listen long enough.
Splitting Image
Not Bayh, and not Kaine, according to the AP.
People around Clinton are saying it’s not her either.
And according to Matt Yglesias, a suspicious-looking chartered plane has headed off to Delaware.
Oh, the suspense.
The real question, of course, is who the heck McCain will pick. I keep hearing Mitt Romney, Charlie Crist, and Rudy Giuliani bandied about. You don’t suppose McCain is stupid enough to call himself pro-life on national television and pick a pro-choice running mate a couple of weeks later, do you?
Wini
I am in Mpls, and have read that the vast majority of the parties, etc. are indeed on this side of the river..
The Dude Abides
And no, Goldfarb, if you do it twice it doesn’t mean you’re eight inches. It still only counts as four.
lampwick
Now imagine McCain’s VP quandry: does he go with the billionaire Mormon? The Indian exocist? The baby-killer? Or the guy whose name you can’t remember?
JGabriel
John Cole:
I assume this is about that silly claim from the McCain campaign that Obama will get a 16 point bounce from the convention.
Obama was leading by about +2 in the national polls recently – bad timing for the Republicans to tighten the numbers. A +5 bounce is typical after the convention, so if Obama gets to +7 overall, the press should say he’s met expectations, more than that and Obama’s beating them.
The good thing here (and the reason the polls tightened at a bad time for the Pugs) is that Obama will probably recover the momentum he lost over the last two weeks, pushing him back to +5 over McCain, then get the convention bounce on top of that, pushing him to +10 or +11.
Which means Obama’s bounce should look impressive no matter what, unless you measure by Republican standards, of course.
And that’s why the McCain campaign is pushing the +16 number – they know Obama is likely to come out at over +10, and pushing expectations to +16 (probably Obama’s post convention ceiling absent another gaffe from McCain) is the only way to concern troll the likely outcome.
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Wini
Not sure if it’s live, but CNN saying Biden…
JGabriel
KRK:
Ignore it, except for a couple of “Hey, lookit the weirdos” type human interest stories.
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lampwick
About fifty years ago Biden and Obama couldn’t have shared a drinking fountain.
In a few days, they’ll share a ticket.
God bless America.
burntbeans
so, if cnn is breaking the story right now, does that mean all those people who were told they would find out via text message just got screwed?
L. Ron Obama
CNN is breaking nothing but wind.
Davis X. Machina
If the people who were waiting for a text from the Obama campaign got screwed, they didn’t get screwed by the Obama campaign.
Credit where credit is due, please.
Splitting Image
“What are people predicting for the media’s handling of the Paul-ites’ shadow convention in Minneapolis? Will they ignore it or will it overshadow the POW-athon in Saint Paul? There’s a lot more nightlife in Minneapolis, so I can imagine that media folks (and RNC delegates) looking for a good time will prefer to camp out on the west side of the river.”
I’m assuming the media will try to ignore it. The traditional way of getting the media to stop ignoring a demonstration is to start busting heads.
If it comes to that, I wonder if the Paul-ites will vent their anger on the conventioneers or the media. I’m picturing the cameras starting to wobble as McCain is giving a speech and then swinging around to face the ceiling as they get carried out the door.
Incertus
The media will avoid it like it’s a leper colony, which will only redouble the resolve of the Paulites. Expect an uptick in online screeching, with conspiracy howling predicted to reach gale-force as the blackout continues.
Davis X. Machina
….they know Obama is likely to come out at over +10.
I agree with lampwick @ 11:49, but mo black man is going to be +10, ever, in this poor, wounded, benighted country. I find your faith in your fellow man touching, but unfounded.
L. Ron Obama
lulz. In all seriousness, it would be very satisfying if they are still fucking with the press.
Conservatively Liberal
Some people just grasp for negatives when nothing else is working. The text message thing was a marketing ploy to get names and numbers of potential donors, and anyone who didn’t think so is an idiot. From what I have heard, the leak came from the Secret Service end. I know some people are convinced that Obama has super powers over all minds and matter, but I really don’t think that is the case. Sorry to disillusion them. ;)
If the leak is true, what does it say about our so-called Secret Service that the Obama campaign maintains secrecy when the SS can’t?
zuzu's petals
IT”S BIDEN
Justin Slotman
From the great state of MBNA!
KRK
This makes no sense. Remaining anonymous doesn’t avoid pre-empting the text message announcement (assuming it’s not a fakeout), it just avoids (maybe) getting fired for doing so.
JGabriel
Conservatively Liberal:
That someone’s ass at the Secret Service is gonna get fired. Or reprimanded at least.
If the leak did come from the SS, that’s a pretty major breach of protocol.
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L. Ron Obama
Given that only a few people probably know officially about the VP choice, I doubt anonymity is going to be much to hide behind.
The Moar You Know
I believe we have not yet begun to plumb the depths of John Sidney McCain’s stupidity.
However, in this case it’s a pretty safe bet for him. The dead-ender vote in this country is perfectly prepared to follow the Staight Talk Express right off a cliff regardless of who is on the ticket. McCain could put a Scary Negro pro-choice lesbian (Condi) on the ticket and none of the 28% brigade would bat an eyeleash. Obedience trumps everything with that crowd.
Conservatively Liberal
While I did not like Biden’s position or vote on this issue (bankruptcy ‘reform’), this post reminded me that we better prepare for another asshat, ratfucker and troll infestation here.
Que
myiq2xuGoatBoy?Ninerdave
Talk Left is already pooh pooing the Biden pick.
HA! of course.
JGabriel
Davis X. Machina:
+10 = 55-45. Unlikely maybe, but not impossible.
Honestly, it really doesn’t require that much faith.
Warren Terra
The latest evidence on the Veep nod.
Conservatively Liberal
That won’t happen until after the no-accountability president has left the building, but if it was a leak from the SS I hope they get nailed and canned. Leaks from the SS? Well, with Bu$h (read Cheney) in charge, what else can we expect?
Ninerdave
How do you get screwed by not getting a text message? Grasp at straws much?
Davis X. Machina
Biden chairs Foreign Relations, not Banking. Biden doesn’t even sit on Banking — but Bayh, Dodd, and Jack Reed do.
He’s thick with
MBNABank of America, but if this is some kind of bankers’ coup, it’s not a very competently run one.Ninerdave
From the comments at the MSNBC site in their “what do you think section.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Warren Terra
By slapping all of these PUMA types in the face, Obama is alienating the masochists, folks who’d really like to be slapped in the face. They are upset that other people are getting slaps in the face from Obama and they aren’t. Indeed, this neglect of their desires is a true slap in the face.
Dennis - SGMM
Try this gem from the same place:
“hilorey”? No way “pa democrat” could be a ratfucker – right?
oh really
Sigh, the NYTimes is reporting that it’s Biden.
Obama promised me I’d be the first to know (along with a googolplex other people).
But instead of reading it in an email from Obama, I read it on the Times website. Therefore, Obama has two choices: 1) he can pick someone else and send the email as announced, thus giving the Times a little “Dewey” to suck on; or 2) he can quit now, because he failed to keep his promise and has committed an error at least 3.14159265 times as bad as shredding the Constitution.
Either way, it’s a big win for McPOW.
Joe Biden. Not exactly what comes to mind when I think Hope and Change. Oh, well, if he just tells McPOW to fuck off on live TV, I guess that will make up for his being something less than an inspirational choice.
I wouldn’t want to live within ten blocks of a PUMA household tonight. It could get ugly.
KC
Fuckin’ Biden!? Jesus. The guy is big mouthed gaffe fest. Republicans, begin the file footage mining!
Ninerdave
A more high profile candidate? Yeah Biden’s a total unknown. The Hillary Dead Enders crack me up. Funnier than wingnuts in some cases.
oh really
The first criterion in choosing a VP is getting someone who is enthusiastic about the job:
Now that’s enthusiasm
Ninerdave
Yeah because his pick was leaked and you didn’t get to wake up and read it on your cell phone, that’s TOTALLY SHREDDING THE CONSTIUTION. It’s unthinkable that Obama can be president now.
I mean…we might as well just keep Bush in office. Douche.
Joe Max
Ah, yes, Michael Goldfarb of the Dungeons & Dragons smear. Some Obama bloggers have taken him to heart.
KRK
Ninerdave, I think the reference to pi (pie!) was a sign that the point was perhaps not in earnest.
Conservatively Liberal
And if that was not enough, there was this:
And finally, if that didn’t trigger the snark alarm there was this:
Though I do have to disagree with this:
It will get ugly (Hillary and all women were slapped again! ! !) and I would love to be there to watch the PUMA meltdown.
Popcorn and Milk Duds in hand.
oh really
Thanks KRK. Some people need to have everything explained to them.
Ninerdave: no hard feelings. Just so you know, I don’t have a cell phone so that wasn’t even possible. Personally, I found the whole Big Secret thing to be pretty silly, especially if the choice is Senator Biden. Now, if I do wake up tomorrow and find out that the Obama campaign has punked the Times and the real choice is someone else, then I’ll change my mind and think it was a great idea.
Dewey Wins!
Bite your tongue. Some things are better not said even in jest.
Joe Max
In an ironic way, the PUMAs are only cementing the Clintons to Obama. Now both Clintons must be seen as campaigning hard for Obama, because if they are perceived as being in any way contributing to an Obama loss as the PUMAs would have them do, they’re finished in the Democratic Party. The Clintons know this, and it’s far better to be cast as party kingmakers.
Ninerdave
Apologies! I’ve been ODing on the PUMA blogs, yes the PI reference should have been a clue. You do a fabulous job of emulating them, have you thought of getting into spoofing? I hear it’s quite the rage in these here parts :)
zuzu's petals
And speaking of scumsucking bottom feeders, Ron Fournier shows up right on schedule:
Biden Pick Shows Lack of Confidence
Yep, the Ron Fournier who told Karl Rove to “Keep up the good fight” … that Ron Fournier.
The AP Has a Ron Fournier Problem
oh really
You’re a better man than I am Gunga Din! I don’t think my heart could take it.
Anyway, if you do happen to be in the area, and you see a bunch of weeping adults drinking Kool-Aid and then collapsing, don’t, under any circumstances, give anyone CPR. Just assume they all have DNR directives.
oh really
A question for PUMA experts.
Could there have been a worse choice than Joe Biden?
I mean, is there anyone that would have offended them more?
OK, I realize that they are always maximally offended by everything, but let’s just say we had more sensitive testing instruments and could differentiate that last little bit of ultrarage.
I’m not dissing Joe here, I’m just describing him as I think the average PUMA might…
Old, white, male, been around forever, never got more than 25 votes in a primary (whereas Hillary got a quadrillion in every primary), and so on.
If Biden really is the choice, I’m thinking Obama may have a mean streak and targeted the PUMAs for maximum apoplectic effect.
On the other hand, this could be a brilliant move. Biden isn’t the choice. They let the press break the story. All PUMAs commit suicide and thus can’t vote three or four times each for McPOW in November.
Yep, a stroke of genius.
Ninerdave
In case there was any lingering doubt it’s up on Obama’s page
No Dewey’s here.
Davis X. Machina
Biden Pick Shows Lack of Confidence
The alternative headline was already set in type, if Obama did something unusual:
Desperate Obama Swings for Fences.
They were going to bitch either way.
Martin
This is a serious question: Why are so many women so fixated on getting slapped in the face? I don’t know a single woman that I would consider to be a genuine feminist that would ever use that particular phrase and it’s not like there is a shortage of suitable alternatives.
Ninerdave
Katherine Sebelius.
Any woman beside Hillary…SLAP IN THE FACE. Well anyone but Hillary would be a slap in the face, in fact picking Hillary would be a slap in the face unless Obama picked her and then put her at the top of the ticket…even that would have been a somewhat grazing slap on the cheek.
But, yeah…Sebelius would have been the biggest Fuck you I think.
zuzu's petals
Yeah, it was up too soon to be otherwise.
oh really
Oh, yeah? What if he’d picked Paula Jones? I heard she’s available.
Ninerdave
I’ll see your Paula and raise you Monica.
Kevin
oh really Says:
Truer words were never spoken.
Kevin
Where’s my fucking text message?
SLAP IN THE FACE!
Conservatively Liberal
I enjoy watching stupid people, it is cheap entertainment and it is rarely boring. The PUMA’s offer 24/7 QuintupleSuperQuadraHexaOctaHedraPhonic Audio with 360 Degree Wrap-Around High Definition Stupidity. They are like a fire hydrant of stupidity. No, the Mount St. Helens of stupidity. Or better yet, the…
They are entertaining, to say the very least. :D
“I know NOTH-INk! I see NOTH-INK! !”
/SergeantSchultz
Ninerdave
Wow, seriously sent to moderation for typing p*nis?
What kinda of joint are you running around here Cole? Reposted after censoring:
Maybe they are into S&M? /snark
Serious answer guess (I have a p*nis)…if you watch the old Bogart movies, he’s always slapping some “hysterical dame” in the face to get her to calm down. That’s domination, the opposite of feminism. Therefore, the classic slap in the face could be seen as the ultimate insult to women.
My 30 some odd pixels.
oh really
But why does the Times have to print such garbage? Just one more case of “All the News that Fits.”
David
I do not believe that actually happened. Now that is A SLAP IN THE FACE.
zuzu's petals
I agree. Awhile back they printed a really scurrilous piece by some guy claiming Obama was an “apostate” Muslim. Disgusting.
The most frustrating part is there’s no place to post comments on this piece of crap. Arggghhhh.
zuzu's petals
PS, it’s not so much that they print this stuff, it’s that they print it as objective news rather than an opinion piece.
JGabriel
It’s Official! Biden is: The Guy(tm).
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ThymeZone
Because, except for Camille Paglia, they can’t really worry about being kicked in the nuts.
oh really
The line between opinion and news has begun to blur badly. The Times does label Fourier’s little piece of tripe as “Analysis,” but the online editions of newspapers have begun putting more and more opinion on the front page. I think it would be a good policy to keep news and opinion separate and the reader should have to choose to look at opinion, not have it displayed on the front page.
I agree, any opinion or analysis should have comments. The Times monitors comments so there won’t be the problems that exist on some blogs, but it would give readers a chance to call a hack a hack. You could try to send a letter to the editor. I’ve had a bunch of letters printed, but as the standards at the Times have fallen, I’ve found it harder and harder to be civil.
zuzu's petals
If you want an idea of the treat we’re in for with Biden, check this out:
Straight Talk from Joe Biden at MSNBC Debate
Martin
Yeah, I get that, but if you really are a feminist, you aren’t going to conflate a VP choice to violence against women. You’re suggesting that it’s a strong insult, but really, everyone gets picked last for kickball at one time or another, so rather than being horrible insult, it winds up trivializing the violent act to something that happens to everyone now and then and *must* happen to someone every time a choice is made. It does exactly the opposite of what they think it does.
And to address ‘oh really’, Biden is actually a pretty good choice in lieu of Clinton if the PUMAs would pull their heads out of their asses. He brings all the things that Clinton campaigned on over Obama, he’s got foreign policy cred, he authored VAWA, he’s as dedicated to his family as Obama is, and he never rode on anyones name and even today is one of the poorest US senators, putting him pretty much at the inflection point of Obama’s middle class assessment. If you want someone who is as close to the typical American and is a good representative of American family values, you really can’t find a much better pick than Biden.
Sure, he’s got his faults. Any candidate would, so you need to work out what faults are easier than others to work through. He’s a pretty good match to Obama overall as his weaknesses are either negated by Obama’s or are outmatched by McCain’s.
Really makes me want to see Mittens get the nod. The contrast lines on the two tickets would be startling and really entertaining to see play out. Just for a start, consider the CNN ‘getting to know you’ special when the public learns of how Biden ended up on his 2nd wife compared to how McCain did.
Ninerdave
…and right on queue…TalkLeft pounces on uses it to denounce Obama.
I can’t tell you how much I’m loving the ongoing PUMA meltdown.
Martin
Since they’re going out now and it’s 3:00 AM in Chicago, it would seem that exactly that has happened, though I’m almost positive it’s due to the news leaking rather than by design.
Conservatively Liberal
I had to go to RedState and pull the dipstick to see how the level of stupid was doing.
Quite well!
Erick Erickson, in responding to an email from an Obama supporter he quotes, and the Obama supporter is ending their email saying that Obama has two beautiful kids and if Erick believes that he (Obama) supports infanticide then he (Erick) is “screwed up in the head”:
I see Erick is in 16th gear of his 18 speed insanity.
But Erick had to write that so he could top Jeff Emanuel’s ‘story’ right before his where Jeff is writing about Obama sending out a call for people to help the campaign immediately after the convention (Labor Day weekend). Of course, Jeff sees Obama’s evil plan unfolding:
While this stuff is hilariously stupid and the responses only slather the icing on the cake, it is pretty pitiful to see this from fellow Americans. It really makes you wonder how sad your life has to be to allow yourself to devolve to the depths that these creatures have. They have truly sold their souls and all that is left are the hollowed out shells of former humans.
If you read their bilious spew long enough, it is easy to forget that these are actual human beings writing this shit.
NR
Well, if we’re talking about the reaction on other blogs now, Nate Silver says Biden is a good choice. And I put a lot of stock in what Nate Silver says.
One potentially interesting factoid – CNN says that Biden is the least wealthy member of the Senate. If McCain really does pick Mittens, it’ll be a hell of a contrast – one ticket worth hundreds of millions of dollars and the other below the $5 million threshold for what McCain considers rich.
Ninerdave
Oh yeah!! It’s being taken as a big fuck you at Hillary over at talk left. I can’t get enough of that site tonight.
Conservatively Liberal
The Kos story with the formal announcement has a person saying they got the text message. They posted at 12:19AM (PDT), which would be just after 3AM eastern.
Funny!
Ninerdave
CL
…wow…just seriously fuckin’ wow…I feel like I’ve been mentally raped by the Red State quotes you posted.
oh really
I just stopped by Talk Left (maybe the second time I’ve ever subjected myself to that particular ordeal, er, high honor) and I left laughing:
From Jeralyn — “what do you think about the Obama campaign sending out the text messages beginning at 3AM (confirmed by CNN). Am I crazy in seeing this as a politically tone deaf dig at Hillary or am I just being overly sensitive tonight?”
Tonight? Oversensitive tonight? I don’t know Jeralyn from any other PUMAoid, but talk about walking around with a sign on your back saying “SLAP ME.”
Besides, I always thought HRC sat up all night waiting for the phone to ring. Well, at least this time she got a text message/email. Better’n nuffum.
However, I did learn (loosest possible use of the word) that Obama just wants to be KING.
I think Jeralyn would be happier if she forgot about this election and teamed up with some of the NoQuarter (NoSense? NoCents? Nonsense?) crowd and spent the next thirty-five years researching Obama’s birth certificate. After all, Obama will still be King in thirty-five years and there’s almost no chance he’s not the son of two Muslims from Terrorististan.
JGabriel
NinerDave:
Not to pick on NinerDave, since a lot of people here share his sentiments, but can we chill out on the PUMA schadenfreude?
1) Most of the PUMA’s are Republican Ratfuckers for McCain – why give them publicity?
2) Of those that aren’t, most are Democrats. We’ll want them voting with us on Election Day. The schadenfreude and insults will just push them further away rather than encouraging them to join us.
3) Frankly, some of the rhetoric sounds kind of misogynistic – I’m speaking about the face-slapping discussion in particular.
Finally, I’m not saying that particular targets should be exempted from criticism. Jeralyn’s been a wanker and HillaryIs44 deserves all the ridicule it gets.
But the more general “PUMA” criticism applies a label that could be interpreted as attacking anyone who initially supported Clinton. A little sensitivity to their dashed hopes might be judicious at this point is all I’m saying.
That’s all. Let the mocking begin.
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Conservatively Liberal
That place has collectively gone over the edge, and any republican who wishes to associate with that place ought to ripped for doing so. BillO loves to talk about how sick and twisted the Daily Kos people are when it is the individual posts he is referring to (which any ratfucker can post), but this drivel at RedState is being written by their front pagers.
I would love to hear BillO excuse that. Oh, I am sure he would find a way, but I would just love to hear it for the laugh I am sure it would be good for.
JGabriel
Conservatively Liberal:
What edge? It was never on solid ground to begin with.
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Ninerdave
Sorry man, I can’t, and given that they are a vocal minority of about, what, 15 people? I think they are hysterical.
I was a Clinton (Hillary and Bill) guy, until they showed their true colors in the primary race. It’s all about them, not about you. When they started digging into the GOP muck, they lost me.
oh really
Uh, I’m pretty sure Erick has a one speed — MaximumUltraTurboOverdrive.
I understand what you’re saying, but I think it’s fair to differentiate between those HRC supporters who were greatly disappointed by Hillary’s defeat and may even have sincere doubts about Obama…and PUMA.
PUMAoids aren’t going to support Obama. They’ve invested way too much in tearing him down. I know people who supported HRC and were “crushed” by her loss. But they’re Democrats (or better still sane human beings) and they are going to support Obama in November. Maybe not happily, but they’re realistic enough to know that Obama, however bad they may think he is, won’t be anywhere near the disaster that McPOW will be.
Ninerdave
I some how, got on their “alert” emailing list. It’s comedy gold. However that shit you posted is so far gone, it’s like a spoof spoofing a spoof…it can’t be real. Yet it is.
daryljhusseinfontaine
Biden is actually a great tactical choice, being the kind of guy who can issue well-placed kicks to McCain’s ribs during convention week, and who will go to work on either Mittens or Lieberman with a tire iron. If McCain goes for the “Whiny Unity” ticket with JoeLie, Biden will grin like the devil as he picks Joe’s veins from his teeth; if McCain picks Romney, it actually adds negative oomph to his ticket; if he bucks the handlers and goes radical, he dilutes the brand among the faithful and looks desperate.
Sure, Biden doesn’t inspire hordes of Dem hopefuls at this exact moment… but wait til the next round of punches start flying.
D
zuzu's petals
My sister (an Obama supporter) attended the big Obama/Clinton supporter confab that Sherry Lansing hosted the other night:
LA Times
She said it was really moving and inspirational, and there are plans to do this all over the country.
She said Diane Feinstein spoke by phone (she’d broken her ankle) and talked about how disappointed she’d been when Hillary lost, but that she was 100% behind Obama and we need to unite, etc. …
The highlight for her was when Maria Shriver (Obama supporter) got up and spoke, and not being a huge fan, she was really impressed with her smarts and sincerity. Shriver talked about growing up political, working her heart out on her uncle’s campaign in ’80, and being bitter for years … and how the infighting resulted in 12 years of Reagan-Bush. When women spoke up about how angry they were and how it would help if Obama would address the perceived sexism etc. … Shriver said it should be relayed and that Obama listened more to people than any politician she knew (except for her husband and her uncle).
These are all smart, successful women. I just think we shouldn’t underestimate the hurt and the need for reconciliation.
oh really
I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t think PUMA* is interested in reconciliation. They want Obama to lose. They want McPOW to win. They’re willing to subject this country and the world to a continuation of the Bush insanity so they can punish Obama. I have no sympathy for that.
* I’m using PUMA as a stand-in for all the HRC dead-enders.
JGabriel
Oh Really:
Let me try rephrasing this:
There are no PUMA’s.
Remember Roger Stone, the Republican ratfucker and oppo researcher who started “Citizens United, Not Timid” (check the acronym) to oppose Clinton?
Now compare the two terms:
– Citizen United, Not Timid
– Party Unity, My Ass
Notice any similiarities? Like how the first has an obsecenity for an acronym and the latter echoes the “Cougar” appelation, both playing on sex-related themes? How both are divided into two phrases, the first playing on “unity”, the second advocating aggression?
The two terms are both almost certainly coined by Republican operatives.
Every time we use the phrase “PUMA” we’re feeding a GOP meme.
There are no PUMA’s. Just Republican ratfuckers, and deluded Clinton supporters who, for whatever reason, have sadly invested too much of their identity with a particular candidate rather than the policies she promoted.
There’s nothing wrong with mocking specific Clinton die-hards like NoIQ or HillaryIs44. They deserve it. I’m talking specifically about the term “PUMA”.
It’s not about support for Clinton, or about Clinton supporters. The term “PUMA” originated as an attack on the Clinton’s, to be a divisive wedge in the Democratic Party, and to weaken support for Obama. Whatever you think of the Clinton’s, the “PUMA” appelation was designed just as much as an attack on the party and Obama. It’s Republican ratfuckery, pure and simple.
And that’s why I’m objecting to the use of it.
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Conservatively Liberal
While I am in agreement that everyone has to pull together, what some of these Hillary supporters are asking is for Obama to admit that he was wrong for whatever perceived slight they are pissed about, and Obama is not going to do that. Nor would I expect him to. Why? Because the right would pounce all over it as a sign that Obama is weak, and Obama is not going to hand them that meme.
In perusing the PUMAroid sites, I have come to the conclusion that the non-racist Hillary supporters are few and far between. For many, I get the impression that this whining about Hillary being wronged is allowing them hide their real problem with Obama.
They are racists and will never vote for a n****r. Read enough of their thinly-veiled crap and it is clear that ‘lack of experience’ is only a euphemism for n****r. If I can see this crap, any sane person will see it too. Maybe from the inside it is a bit more difficult for them, but it is there and it is easy to see. Having ratfuckers (most who are racists, IMO) just makes things worse because they are in there feeding the frenzy and misleading the non-racist dead-enders.
Sleeper
But but but, McCain’s a moderate Republican, didn’t you know. We can block him with a Democratic Congress, just like we did with Bush. Also, Obama said that women are “periodically feeling down,” and that’s the rhetorical equivalent of gang rape.
JGabriel
Conservatively Liberal:
I totally agree. My point is to get us to identify them as the Republican ratfuckers (or, in cases like Talk Left, the deluded, overidentified ratfucking victims) they are, rather than the “PUMA” term that they themselves selected for it’s divisive connotations.
The attention we give them, and especially using the term “PUMA”, just extends and broadens the scope and reach of the meme – it gives the Roger Stone ratfucking types exactly what they want.
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Conservatively Liberal
In reading the feigned outrage online, I find it humorous that while Hillary supporters view the 3AM text message by Obama to be another slap in the face, they refuse to acknowledge that there never would have been the 3AM meme if Hillary had never said it.
If ignorance is bliss, these people are in orbit. Oh, right. They are!
Regarding ‘healing’, any so-called Democrat that posts that they are voting for McCain is going to be ridiculed to no end by me and probably just about everyone here. How do you tell the difference between the sincere Hillary supporter who is not a racist, the racists and the ratfuckers?
You can’t. So if they identify with McCain, I hope they aren’t coming in here for healing. If I see the whites of the eyes of the ‘enemy’, I am unloading on them.
Conservatively Liberal
If we append ‘roid’ to every instance of PUMA used, I am sure that they would not like the attention here. ;)
In reading the PUMAroid ;) tear jerking over Obama/Biden, the ‘dead-enders’ who are aiming for Hillary! 2012 by voting McCain 08 say that they will suffer through McCain. What I find humorous (remember, stupid is funny if it is not you!) is that they will do nothing more than bitch for the next four years that Obama made them vote for McCain, and it is all his fault.
Seriously, these people are engaging in the biggest tear-jerking circle jerk I have ever seen. Any sincere, non-racist Hillary supporter has to be dumber than a cow to participate in this sad sack of shit.
LanceThruster
Not my choice but the VP doesn’t decide policy (except in Shrub’s case). Biden is a staunch Zionist. That doesn’t leave much room for “change.” I hope it works for Obama (and us). At least I won’t have to hold my nose quite as tightly as I did for Gore/Lieberman.
searp
With all the noise McCain is making about the success of the surge, he is betting the farm on the lid staying on in Iraq through the election.
I returned from my third visit in July. It is better, but ethnic tensions will boil over – Kurds have their red lines, the Sons of Iraq are not being given jobs and are being suppressed.
Everyone was waiting for us to leave so that they can get on with sorting things out; they may not wait now that they know we are committed to leaving. Easier for the Sunnis to take on the Shia with some level of support from us than after we go…
JGabriel
Conservatively Liberal:
Yeah, I found that pretty ironic too. Which is probably a clue that it’s a ratfucker meme.
Uh, let’s see:
* Talk Left – sincere if deluded.
* NoIQ – racists, willful ratfucking victims/collaborators.
* HillaryIs44 – ratfuckers, definitely.
The same tonal differences that so clearly differentiate those sites are how you tell the others apart too.
See, it’s really not that hard.
Finally, there are still some Clinton supporters who are clearly disappointed and unsure of Obama. You can tell them apart because they generally don’t sound batshit insane. They can probably be reached through persuasion, patience, and time.
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JGabriel
LanceThruster:
Not my first choice either. That said, I have friends at the UN here in NYC, and I can tell you Biden is enormously respected in the international diplomatic community.
I suspect Obama’s goal in selecting Biden was not only to have a sounding board / “sparring partner”, but to also have a surrogate he could send out on diplomatic missions, as he did with Biden’s trip to Georgia, that could still command respect after 8 years of the Bush administration.
To the extent that Biden fulfills that role – as well as potential campaign bulldog, and possibly helping to lock in PA – he’s a pretty good VP pick.
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Conservatively Liberal
JGabriel, I can usually spot the real Clinton supporters because they frequently object to some things said at places like TalkLeft. Of course they are shouted down pretty fast, but at least they try.
You are right about Hillaryis44 being a ratfuck site, but even it has/had real Hillary supporters. The ratfuckers are either running bogus Hillary sites or they are joining real Hillary sites and they are trying to steer the Clinton supporters away from Obama at the least, and to McCain at the best. These are easy to spot because they like to insist on steering any conversation to the same end (away from Obama) every time.
If I spot a ratfucker/racist dead-ender, I will give them everything they deserve. For whatever reason, I don”t think we will get many real Clinton supporters over here. We seem to attract asshats (oh, and goatfuckers!) more often than not.
JGabriel
Conservatively Liberal:
Go for it. No objections there. I would, and will, do the same. It just felt like we were going a little beyond that earlier target-wise. And pointing out that the term “PUMA” originated as ratfucking was part of my going after them as well.
Anyway, people seem to get now why “PUMA” is a ratfucker ploy, and I’m satisfied with that.
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AkaDad
This successfully posted thread is a slap in the face to WordPress.
Joe Biden may be a wrinkly white-haired dude, but at least he’s clean and articulate.
jake
SLAP IN THE FACE ! SLAP IN THE FACE ! SLAP IN THE FACE !
Just read and AP article that ranked about a 8.5 on the ConcernTroll-o-Meter. When they did start teaching students in J-school “Just call a bunch of people and get a bunch of different quotes.”
Anyway, all eyes turn to McCain. I don’t think it will be Rudi because they’d wind up beating the shit out of each other. He needs a yes man who offsets the fact that McCantcount is a wrinkly old guy.
Earbucket
A song for the PUMAs:
JGabriel
Earbucket, please scroll up to this.
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Earbucket
It’s not true, JGabriel. I’ve met self-described PUMAs while out canvassing. They’re registered Democrats, usually older women, who supported Hillary but won’t vote for Obama for reasons they can’t or won’t explain.
Now, I think the media is overstating their numbers, influence, and importance, but they’re real.
JGabriel
Earbucket:
Self-described “PUMA”‘s who’ve fallen for a Republican ratfuck. As far as I can tell, the phrase “PUMA” originated at the HillaryIs44 website, which is obviously a ratfuck – probably by Roger Stone, it’s got his style all over it.
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Earbucket
Eh. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, it’s the name they’ve chosen to call themselves. I’m happy to let them make fools out of themselves.