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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Open Thread: Cream Rises (But So Does the Stuff at the Top of the Septic Tank)

Open Thread: Cream Rises (But So Does the Stuff at the Top of the Septic Tank)

by Anne Laurie|  October 12, 201511:08 am| 72 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Election 2016, Glibertarianism, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality

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Sen. Rand Paul: we have a "tiny, impotent and inconsequential Congress … I'm embarrassed that I'm even a part of it."

— Katie Zezima (@katiezez) October 9, 2015

@katiezez @alexis_levinson And yet he fought to change election rules in Kentucky to make sure that was able to stay part of it :(

— jeffkatzshow (@jeffkatzshow) October 9, 2015

paid a quarter million dollars just to make sure he could keep being a part of it https://t.co/zjY0HC8yWx

— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) October 9, 2015

Little Prince Rand, in his hunger for more glamorous pastures, has badly neglected his loyal local fiefdom. And his fellow petty-ante robber barons are getting irked, according to Politico:

FRANKFORT, Ky. — Rand Paul is under increasing pressure from Republicans here and in Washington to pull the plug on his stagnant presidential campaign and instead recommit his resources to keeping his Senate seat in GOP hands.

D.C. Republicans think Paul’s poll numbers have flat-lined — and operatives worried about retaining control of the Senate are ready for him to start spending a lot more time in Kentucky and a lot less time in Iowa and New Hampshire.

“This presidential dream needs to come to an end,” said a national Republican strategist, granted anonymity to discuss Paul’s situation candidly. “Senate Republicans can’t afford to have a competitive race in Kentucky.”

Paul, however, is showing little sign of giving up. Even with poll numbers so low that he might not appear on the main stage for the third GOP debate and his fundraising slowing to a crawl, Paul has a message for those who say it’s time to suspend his run for the White House and focus on his Senate reelection: I can handle both.

“Who would say such a thing? Rebuke them!” Paul sarcastically told reporters after the event who asked about suggestions that he drop out and focus on his Senate reelection. “They don’t know anything about politics. They all write for a living.”

Asked directly if he was worried about his Senate seat, Paul was blunt: “No.”…

Republicans in D.C. aren’t yet panicking about losing Paul’s Senate seat — only about having to spend money to retain it in a year when they need that cash in at least a half-dozen other competitive states…

“Rand Paul’s presidential campaign is going down in flames, and his second-pick Senate bid will no doubt go the same way after he has gone to great lengths to assure Kentucky voters that he views his Senate seat as nothing more than a consolation prize,” DSCC spokeswoman Sadie Weiner said…

The other Repubs may think of Kentucky as his constituency, but Prince Rand is secure in his conviction that his real base is the virtual Galt’s Gulch built up by his father: the angry white mostly male proponents of unfettered capitalism, speech, and gun ownership. Of course, this loyal army never managed to capture the Oval Office for Dr. Ron, but this — they assure each other, and Rand agrees — is a new millenium, where Disruptors will finally reap their due in this Second Gilded Age.

As the saying goes: Jam yesterday, and jam tomorrow, but never jam today…

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  1. 1.

    Some guy

    October 12, 2015 at 11:17 am

    My favorite roadside stand had a nicely drawn”Free Hot Dogs TOMORROW” sign on it. Guy does a land office business at closing time.

  2. 2.

    Elizabelle

    October 12, 2015 at 11:22 am

    DC peeps: I suggested a meetup tomorrow at a Bernie Sanders debate watch party in Vienna restaurant. Persian food!

    Details on morning open thread. No idea if you’re interested, but sounded good to me.

    I am voting DEMOCRAT. Hillary or Bernie; it’s all good.

    NY Times on CNN’s debate plans. What do you do when it’s likely the Dems won’t be as crazy ass as the GOPers?

    I hope the Dems make it clear this is a Democrat vs. Republican election year; it’s not the individual candidates. Obv, one of them has to win. But ….

  3. 3.

    jeffreyw

    October 12, 2015 at 11:23 am

    Thread needs moar fishing!

  4. 4.

    jeffreyw

    October 12, 2015 at 11:25 am

    Waxworms for the win!

  5. 5.

    Amir Khalid

    October 12, 2015 at 11:28 am

    If Rand Paul is paying to be in two races, for President and for Senator, I guess he means to stay in two races. If his faltering presidential run weakens him in the Senate race, so much the better for his Democratic opponent. Who is his likely opposition?

  6. 6.

    RSA

    October 12, 2015 at 11:35 am

    Sen. Rand Paul: we have a “tiny, impotent and inconsequential Congress … I’m embarrassed that I’m even a part of it.”

    We are, too, Rand… We are, too.

  7. 7.

    Elizabelle

    October 12, 2015 at 11:35 am

    From the NYTimes article:

    The Republican presidential debates have shattered ratings records by showcasing spirited exchanges between colorful and well-known candidates in a crowded field, with a combative celebrity contestant at the center of the program.

    …. in interviews, CNN executives and anchors said they planned to take advantage of the smaller, more collegial field to force the Democratic candidates to address their previous statements and current positions — which are sometimes in conflict — even as they also encourage them to confront one another. [Because there’s no such thing as evolving views, more facts out, or changing circumstances. The Tim Russert schtick wore old before Tim kicked.]

    … Mr. Cooper, who measures his debate preparation not in number of questions but in stacks of research material — “I have a couple of inches of paper on my desk” — said he planned to use the opportunity to hold the candidates accountable.

    “I believe if somebody says something that is factually incorrect, it’s a good thing to point out what the record shows,” he said. “If somebody is saying something about their record that is not something they’ve said in the past or is different from what they’ve said in the past, then you can point that out.”

    [I guess having such a large and “colorful” GOP field made that impossible in previous debates. Point taken: CNN is planning to hammer the Democrats for being chameleons, while they gave the GOP a pass. Don’t we all want to talk about whether Joe Biden needs to get into the race?]

    The challenge for CNN is equally daunting. The first two Republican primary debates — one hosted by Fox News, the other by CNN — broke ratings records, drawing nearly 50 million viewers combined. By contrast, roughly 8.3 million people tuned in to the highest-rated Democratic primary debate in history — a 2008 CNN debate in California, the first time Mrs. Clinton and Barack Obama faced off without any other candidates onstage.

    “There are two stars on the stage here and they’re both political stars, not rock stars,” said Frank Sesno, a former CNN Washington bureau chief who now runs the School of Media and Public Affairs at George Washington University. “Donald Trump is a celebrity of a different magnitude entirely, and the rest of the Republican field is a cast of thousands and each one offers a different plot twist.”

    The trick, Mr. Sesno added, is to “make them confront themselves and confront one another because you’re not going to be able to rely on the built-in tension the Republicans had.”

    For f*ck’s sake. It’s a presidential election, not a reality show. But — CNN!

    Did you notice 60 Minutes’ interview with Obama, which they advertised being about Syria: the soundbite MSM is running with is all about Hills’ email scandal?

  8. 8.

    Calouste

    October 12, 2015 at 11:38 am

    Of course, this loyal army never managed to capture the Oval Office for Dr. Ron, but this — they assure each other, and Rand agrees — is a new millenium, where Disruptors will finally reap their due in this Second Gilded Age.

    That’s lil’ Rand’s fault. His dad knew the presidential run was just there for the grift. Rand started believing the bullshit. Maybe his dad can knock some sense in him and not let all those years of building up the grift campaign go to waste.

  9. 9.

    Frankensteinbeck

    October 12, 2015 at 11:38 am

    @Amir Khalid:
    It doesn’t much matter. A jug of mealworms could win Rand Paul’s seat in the State of Hate if it had R scribbled on the lid.

  10. 10.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 12, 2015 at 11:40 am

    Question for the BJ hive mind unrelated to politics.

    I need recommendations for a humidifier. There currently seem to be three types on the market. One type uses filters, then a type based on ultrasonic technology and one that simply boils the water and produces steam. I have tried all three types. The ultrasonic type seems to be the one with the least hassle so I brought a bigger ultrasonic one, however it stopped working in less than a week, the ultrasonic one I have is small and runs out of water in 3 hours or so on high.
    So I need a recommendation for a room size humidifier that will last all night.
    Sorry, for the book and thanks in advance.

  11. 11.

    Brachiator

    October 12, 2015 at 11:46 am

    Sen. Rand Paul: we have a “tiny, impotent and inconsequential Congress … I’m embarrassed that I’m even a part of it.”

    Sounds like Paul is conflating the Congress and another organ.

    Sounds like a personal problem.

  12. 12.

    Frankensteinbeck

    October 12, 2015 at 11:47 am

    @Calouste:
    I think this has already happened. Even given his serial dishonesty, the presidential campaign Rand Paul is not the Rand Paul I remember from his Senate race.

  13. 13.

    BR

    October 12, 2015 at 11:50 am

    @Elizabelle:

    I was thinking of watching the debate because I’m genuinely undecided, but if it’s going to be one of these sorts of crappy debates where we get to hear conventional MSM wisdom thrown at Dems for 90 minutes, then forget it…

  14. 14.

    Baud

    October 12, 2015 at 11:50 am

    @Elizabelle:

    I am voting DEMOCRAT. Hillary or Bernie; it’s all good.

    Ahem.

  15. 15.

    Frankensteinbeck

    October 12, 2015 at 11:57 am

    @Baud:
    I thought you were running as a Baud. The ballot has check bubbles for ‘All Democrat’, ‘All Republican’, and ‘All Baud, all the time!’

  16. 16.

    boatboy_srq

    October 12, 2015 at 11:57 am

    I wonder when Rand will realize that his “base” has lined up behind Trump instead of him.

  17. 17.

    NonyNony

    October 12, 2015 at 11:58 am

    @Baud: I thought you were running in the GOP primary. I was all ready to cross over and make you the first Repubican I’ve voted for since the 90s.

  18. 18.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2015 at 11:58 am

    I cannot imagine that Rand Paul’s Kentucky Senate seat is in any type of jeopardy of being lost to a Democratic competitor. I assume he’ll win that handily. Not sure why he ever believed he would win the Republican Presidential candidacy though. He strikes me as a very bland person and certainly whatever craziness he brings to the table is dimmed by the likes of Carson and Trump.

    @Elizabelle: “I hope the Dems make it clear this is a Democrat vs. Republican election year;”

    Yep. That’s all it comes down to — which party should be in control of the White House, set policies for this country and the world, and nominate SCOTUS Justices.

    I really hope that during the debate, Secretary Clinton brings up the Republican who was fired from the Benghazi committee for objecting to its focus on bringing her down. She needs to bring this up every time the Benghazi “scandal” is mentioned.

  19. 19.

    Baud

    October 12, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I may consider a third party run, given how the Party excluded me from the debates.

    @NonyNony:

    I wanted to, but I passed the Rorschach test.

  20. 20.

    amk

    October 12, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    @Baud:

    forget the dems. what can you do to get the lil paulites?

  21. 21.

    Paul in KY

    October 12, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Nobody, right now. Maybe Gov. Steve Beshear, who is just finishing up 2 successful terms as governor.

  22. 22.

    Brachiator

    October 12, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    Among the many bills signed into law by California governor Jerry Brown was SB 11:

    Requires at least 15 hours of training, and three hours of continuing education, for police recruits on responding to people with mental illnesses, developmental disabilities and substance abuse disorders.

    This bill triples the current training requirement and received support from law enforcement.

    It’s the start of what should be a comprehensive revision of how these people and situations should be handled.

  23. 23.

    jeffreyw

    October 12, 2015 at 12:04 pm

    Keep open threads open!

  24. 24.

    Baud

    October 12, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    @amk:

    I’ll need to incorporate more gold and weed into my platform.

  25. 25.

    tsquared2001

    October 12, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    @Elizabelle: But – CNN

    Truer words have never been spoken.

  26. 26.

    amk

    October 12, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    @Baud:

    so, ea$y peezy then?

  27. 27.

    tsquared2001

    October 12, 2015 at 12:11 pm

    @jeffreyw: Nice. That is ALMOST a sammich sunny.

  28. 28.

    jl

    October 12, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    So, Paul will be proud when his Congress lays huge dumps that the country is just not manly enough to flush? If Boehner walks off before the GOP House caucus can find itself a Speaker, then Paul will be really proud.

    I’m beginning to wonder whether what really happened is that Boehner finally had the guts to call the crazies’ bluffs and is ready to see it out for another year. I wouldn’t expect that from Johnny Bones, but you never know.

  29. 29.

    eric

    October 12, 2015 at 12:15 pm

    So Paul could….stop running for president; ask to become Speaker to show true leadership.

  30. 30.

    jeffreyw

    October 12, 2015 at 12:16 pm

    @tsquared2001:
    Sammich! Soup and sammich!

  31. 31.

    tsquared2001

    October 12, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    @eric: Leading with leadership. I hear it is the new black.

  32. 32.

    WereBear

    October 12, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    I am loving my Logitech keyboard very much. Thanks to all Juicers who made reccommendations on my iPad mini quest for better typing options.

  33. 33.

    Paul in KY

    October 12, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    @eric: What Sen. Aqua Buddha would do is create his own position ‘Ennuciator of the Congress’ or something like that & then elect himself to it.

  34. 34.

    Yatsuno

    October 12, 2015 at 12:19 pm

    @jl: What’s really interesting is Böhner is bailing from Congress period. That says something else is happening beyond just herding the crazies here.

  35. 35.

    wmd

    October 12, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    Rand Paul could win – I mean the Cubs could win the world series. hey The Red Sox have won!

  36. 36.

    eric

    October 12, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    @Yatsuno: he wants his full pension a/k/a “lobbying coin.”

  37. 37.

    tsquared2001

    October 12, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    @jeffreyw: Good Lord – now I am SO jealous. That was a mean move, Jeffrey, some real foul shit.

    For the first time in forever, I did not get out fishing this summer. I do miss the taste of a good sunny.

    I blame Dad.

  38. 38.

    Wilson Heath

    October 12, 2015 at 12:24 pm

    As long as he’s in long enough that I can modify myself some “Ru Paul for President” yard signs, I’m happy.

  39. 39.

    jeffreyw

    October 12, 2015 at 12:24 pm

    @WereBear: Thanks for helping keep this thread an open thread. Just say no to top down direction! Moar kittehs!

  40. 40.

    WereBear

    October 12, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: The one that stopped working in a week can be returned? I like the ultrasonic ones because they are quiet and seem to have less maintenance. Ours has been working for a couple of years now.

    The filter ones have the advantage of not going overboard; their rate depends on the dryness of the air.

  41. 41.

    MattF

    October 12, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I bought a humidifier last year, and followed thesweethome’s advice. It’s a pretty good gadget.

  42. 42.

    jeffreyw

    October 12, 2015 at 12:29 pm

    @tsquared2001: Fish sammich! (Jumping up and down) Fish sammich!

  43. 43.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 12, 2015 at 12:31 pm

    @WereBear: I returned it and got a full refund, but I still need to replace it. What humidifier did you buy?

  44. 44.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 12, 2015 at 12:35 pm

    @MattF: How often do you have to change the filter?

  45. 45.

    WereBear

    October 12, 2015 at 12:38 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: never mind! The one at the Amazon link looks better!

  46. 46.

    Frankensteinbeck

    October 12, 2015 at 12:41 pm

    @Yatsuno:
    Occam’s Razor. He is sick of their shit. He’s been the worst speaker in living memory, simultaneously the most wildly partisan (even Hastert didn’t follow the Hastert Rule) and completely incapable of controlling his caucus. How many times has he publicly declared a deal, then been unable to deliver?

  47. 47.

    MattF

    October 12, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I changed the filter once in two months of regular use, and before replacing it, I’d rinsed it out a couple of times with diluted bleach. It didn’t get gunky– there’s a UV bulb inside the humidifier that (possibly) kills the gunk– just sort of stiff from hard water. It’s possible that if I’d been more attentive, I could have used the filter longer.

    I expect to start with a new filter when it gets cold and dry again. Note that the replacement filters are a little different from the original filter– it didn’t seem to make a difference.

  48. 48.

    tsquared2001

    October 12, 2015 at 12:45 pm

    @jeffreyw: Dammit. Those two meals look SO good.

    Dang, man, your Hater Fu is strong.

    Respect.

  49. 49.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    October 12, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    You know, at least Fox News has an excuse. They’re a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP.

    But CNN? What’s their excuse?

  50. 50.

    PurpleGirl

    October 12, 2015 at 12:51 pm

    @jeffreyw: Hey, an IBEW member. My father was a member of NYC’s IBEW Local 3.

  51. 51.

    Amir Khalid

    October 12, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:
    Nowadays, CNN wants to be Fox News when it grows up.

  52. 52.

    Ang

    October 12, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    My dad’s IBEW 141. Do they have some secret training on how to turn your kid into a lefty DFH or something?

  53. 53.

    Amir Khalid

    October 12, 2015 at 1:01 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    Mnd you, the Republican party got thisclose to appointing as Böhner’s successor Kevin McCarthy, a man who doesn’t speak English.

  54. 54.

    jeffreyw

    October 12, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    @Ang: They do have a secret camp! Its location is a closely held secret but I do know that it’s on a hill they call Joe.

  55. 55.

    PurpleGirl

    October 12, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    @Ang: I don’t know. I do know that too many of NYC’s Local 3 members became Reagan Democrats, although the Local 3 did support President Obama and sent out members to canvas for him. (I haven’t followed other Locals, but I talked with a Local 3 guy who was canvasing in my apartment building.)

  56. 56.

    tsquared2001

    October 12, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    @Ang: Once, at a party, I was surrounded by a collection of new age dumbass libertarians railing about taxes, power of the state, all that nonsense.

    The ONE guy who pushed back – he was a second generation IBEW man. So yes, there IS some secret training.

  57. 57.

    Mike in NC

    October 12, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    Some polls show Rand Paul ahead of JEB! How embarrassing is that to the Bush Crime Family?

  58. 58.

    Elizabelle

    October 12, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    @Baud: Oh. Right.

    Well, it’s kinda a stealth campaign …

  59. 59.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    October 12, 2015 at 1:19 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    It’s still a couple of months before the first primaries, it’s not guaranteed that Trump’s or Carson’s (or anyone else’s) poll numbers will translate into delegates, but…

    What if Jeb? comes out of Super Tuesday with only one or two state’s worth of delegates, or none at all? What does the “establishment” wing of the GOP do? Do they throw in behind Rubio (assuming he gets any delegates)?

    I mean, I just didn’t expect Jeb? to be quite this awful. Yes, Trump and Carson are stealing everyone’s oxygen at the moment, but even without them in the ring, it’s not like Jeb? would be enjoying a double-digit lead.

  60. 60.

    Amir Khalid

    October 12, 2015 at 1:24 pm

    I suppose one shouldn’t be surprised that Senator Tom Cotton wants Dick bloody Cheney to be Speaker.

  61. 61.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    Calendar of Supreme Court oral arguments for December is out.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2015/10/december-arguments-day-by-day-6/#more-233078

    Somehow it seems appropriate that Evenwel will be argued on the feast of the Immaculate Conception; the crackpot arguments seem to have sprung fully formed out of nowhere.

  62. 62.

    burnspbesq

    October 12, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Apparently the power of Brinks trucks full of UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH!!! from all the right corporations has been misoverestimated.

  63. 63.

    Luthe

    October 12, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    @jeffreyw: Not a hill they call Sam?

  64. 64.

    FlyingToaster

    October 12, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    @burnspbesq: And where is our ¿Jeb? troll RtR? They stop paying him yet?

  65. 65.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    October 12, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    @FlyingToaster: He (she?) will be along soon enough, talking about trends and momentum and all the other bullshit that was supposed to carry Romney to an easy victory in 2012.

    Not that RtR is anything but Doug pretending to be high on Oxy.

  66. 66.

    Frankensteinbeck

    October 12, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:
    Jeb:( is one truly godawful compaigner, but Trump has sucked so much air out of the room, he’s been reduced to ‘Isn’t he the establishment candidate?’ The situation is so chaotic, I could see Trump forcing everyone with a campaign organization but Jeb:( out of the race, then flaming out himself, and Jeb:( wins by default. He couldn’t win if he competes against anyone, but Trump might do it for him. This is one weird, weird primary.

  67. 67.

    jeffreyw

    October 12, 2015 at 2:00 pm

    @Luthe: I heard that Sam hill was close by, but that may be apocryphal.

  68. 68.

    MattF

    October 12, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Uh, whoa. Didn’t we just have a Hitler thread?

  69. 69.

    Steeplejack

    October 12, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    @jeffreyw:

    Look out! Black guy brandishing a fish!

  70. 70.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 12, 2015 at 2:50 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Sorry, I just can’t help myself.

  71. 71.

    Denali

    October 12, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    @Amir,

    Well I want to go on record as supporting American Pharaoh, a Triple Crown winner for Speaker(see a suggestion from a commentor onGail Collins column on this issue). It is not without precedent-the Roman emperor Caligua apppointed a horse- and he couldn’t have been more bat-shit crazy than someone suggesting Dick Cheney for anything beyond a jail term.

  72. 72.

    sm*t cl*de

    October 12, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:

    You know, at least Fox News has an excuse. They’re a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP.

    Shirley the other way around.

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