Buzzfeed still trying to stir up the Clinton/DNC collusion stuff:
Hillary Clinton and Democratic National Committee staffers began the gradual process of merging operations and consolidating key campaign functions weeks before the primary ended, emails in last week’s WikiLeaks release show.
Starting in May, the staffs at the DNC and Hillary For America integrated their distribution of press and television clips and what’s known as “media monitoring,” a standard but robust and time-consuming research operation aimed at tracking a candidate’s friends and foes around the clock on cable, local, and national news.
Once a candidate has become the presumptive nominee, it’s typical for their campaign and the party to join forces, building out a coordinated effort for the general election and consolidating day-to-day functions between the two offices.
But messages show this process began while Bernie Sanders remained a viable candidate, sooner than previously reported or publicly disclosed.
DNC research director Lauren Dillon informed a group of colleagues about the shift in an email dated May 20, more than two weeks before Clinton became the presumptive nominee and three weeks before the last contest of the Democratic Party.
Bernie was done after Pennsylvania. Only Buzzfeed, the Sanders campaign, and the Bernie dead-enders who last night compared walking out of the convention with tape covering their mouths to the March on Washington and who today are planning a fart-in, apparently unaware that television have no smell capacity, still refuse to recognize this.
D58826
I was reading some of the comments on a Jill Stein twitter feed. These people are on another planet. All evil can be laid at the feet of ‘Killory’ and the DNC. They have stolen elections, destroyed the environment and even Bernie is a sellout.
THeyt seem totally unaware that Hillary/theDNC/DWS/Obama did NOT give usd:
1, Citizens United
2. gut the Voting rights act
3. voter id
4. trap laws
5. the Kochtopus buying politicians
6 gut the EPA
7. and etc etc etc.
They live on a totally different planet
Berial
Question. How is walking out of the convention supposed to help these people? THAT is where all the camera and media is. How is leaving the building helping them?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not missing them, harassing every speaker and booing every time the nominee’s name is mentioned and basically acting as disruptive as a two year on on a yelling fit. I’m just wondering how THEY think this helps them.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
A fart-in? Damn. I knew we should never have sprung for that smellovision. Bad mistake…
Felonius Monk
Let the Fart-In begin. Let these fuckers asphyxiate on their flatulence. Good riddance.
And to the other Bern-feelers who still are not with the program: FUCK YOU!
frosty
@D58826: I’ve got two of these people as FB friends because of music connections. I ignore the politics but geez, people. I just want to slap them and say I did the same 3rd party thing and helped get Reagan elected. ugh.
Schlemazel Khan
@efgoldman:
I kinda wish there was a published list. But I suppose that might be too much help to those who need to be hindered!
Trentrunner
Exclusive video of Hillary addressing the last of the BernieBros.
MUST CREDIT BALLOON JUICE
tastytone
“Fart-In”. I just… I mean…
FART-IN???
hellslittlestangel
@D58826:
If only.
On the other hand, they’re so few in number that I have to go on the internet, and make a deliberate effort, to be exposed to them.
Davebo
Smellevision.
slag
@D58826: My favorite revelation about Jill Stein from this article:
Maybe Slate’s not a big enough platform to be worthy of her time? Relatedly, pursuant to our scorched earther discussion in the previous thread, this is the gif that just keeps on gifing this election.
Davebo
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
Damn you!
Anoniminous
Who cares what the dips at Buzzfeed write. The way things are playing out Trump is going to be lucky to reach Romney’s vote numbers. There are plenty of Republicans who are appalled at Trump and the fact he is their nominee. They may or may not vote for Clinton but they darn sure aren’t going to vote for the Trump.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
@Davebo: Hey, you snooze, you looze.
Anoniminous
Obligatory.
hellslittlestangel
@efgoldman: There’s some wise advice.
Also, for all the attention they give him, Little Gloves has no friends in the press corps. Once he’s on the ropes, they’ll viciously turn on him.
lethargytartare
@Berial:
I’m sure the theory was they’d get coverage of the walkout, and then ALL THOSE EMPTY SEATS would cause a stir in the press. This works well at protests of sports teams where you can’t just fill the empty seats with new bodies (since they’d require additional tickets). Not so well when the event organizer can just file in replacements before the commercial break ends.
Soylent Green
Nader voters in 2000: we didn’t hand the election to Bush. It was the Democratic Party’s fault for not running a great campaign.
Stein/Bernie write-in voters in 2016: we didn’t hand the election to Trump. It was the Democratic Party’s fault for not nominating who we wanted.
Too stupid to breathe.
Gene108
As long as they remember to stop farting before they crap their pants, the disruption should be temporary. How much gas can one body hold?
different-church-lady
HOW DOES HILLARY EXPECT TO WIN OVER BERNIE VOTERS IN THE GENERAL IF SHE KEEPS INSISTING ON WINNING THE NOMINATION?!?
hellslittlestangel
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): Well, at least you can see Polyester as it was meant to be smelt.
M. Bouffant
Chris Hedges. He’s kinda like uh idjit.
I like his Rove-ian creation of reality.
hovercraft
Well you know that blood sweat and tears come from the body, and so does flatulence so it’s like the exact same thing, they were also giving of their body.
p.a.
@hellslittlestangel: disagree. they’ll pump him up to maintain the illusion of a horserace. it’s good for business. and I sure hope it’s just an illusion of a horserace and not a real horserace. “no one ever went broke underestimating the… etc.”
The Ancient Randonnuer
Not one of those gutless punks would have walked across the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Not one.
gogol's wife
@The Ancient Randonnuer:
You are so right, sir.
Mike J
@tastytone:
By the late 70s, Rowan and Martin and fallen on hard times.
Villago Delenda Est
The whiney ass titty babies of BuzzFeed need to be beaten like red-headed stepchildren.
hovercraft
@D58826:
Don’t you understand that the democrats failed to fight hard enough to stop them. Hillary was secretly in favor of Citizens United, she wanted bullshit borderline slanderous shit disseminated about her.
Matt McIrvin
@lethargytartare: Besides, there’s like 200 of them at most, right? I doubt those empty seats would even be visible in that hall. Remember what Trump’s convention hall looked like? It was like a quarter filled.
Mary G
That video they just put up at the convention asking if your representative supports Trump, do they really represent you, is really smart.
Omnes Omnibus
Ben Ray Lujan seems really, really happy.
Mark B
By May 20, the race was already decided. Bernie didn’t have any reasonable chance to catch up in the remaining primaries. The national committee doesn’t have to wait until all of the challengers are mathematically eliminated in the primaries to start to plan for the generals. That would be wasting time.
hovercraft
@Berial:
My favorite were the ones with tape across their mouths with ‘SILENCED’ on them. I thought, thank you for silencing yourself, now we can listen to the speakers on stage without your annoying background noise.
JMG
@M. Bouffant: Hedges is one of those leftists who believe that the country is already a dystopian nightmare run by inhuman oligarchs, so who cares if the real thing happens. Boy, would he be surprised if it did. A fool indeed.
piratedan
@M. Bouffant: will await the screenplay by Adam Sorkin…..
hellslittlestangel
Here’s a word that needs to make a comeback:
trumpery archaic
· n. (pl. trumperies) articles, practices, or beliefs of superficial appeal but little real value or worth.
· adj. showy but worthless; delusive.
– ORIGIN ME (denoting trickery): from OFr. tromperie, from tromper ‘deceive’.
Matt McIrvin
@M. Bouffant: I’ve suspected Chris Hedges might be kind of a clown for some time. Didn’t want to say so since so many good people seemed to like him.
singfoom
Over/under on one of the fart-in participants trusting their fart too far and having an accident on the convention floor? The fart-in idea, while juvenile is funny to my inner 8 year old.
I’m amazed that they’re still going. What’s their upside at this point? What’s the goal? She’s won the nomination, Bernie proudly endorsed her and then asked she become the nominee via acclamation.
Sure, it’s fun to yell and march in a protest in general, but doing it without an actual goal makes me think they need to figure their shit out.
Villago Delenda Est
@Soylent Green: High Venn Diagram overlap in those two bunches.
D58826
@Anoniminous:
He may be lucky to reach November
hovercraft
@different-church-lady:
I mentioned in a morning dying thread that this morning msnbc was teasing their next block with: Coming up a Delegate Who Says They Won’t Eat Until Bernie Gets The Nomination. I thought, I wonder if they’re gonna tell her that she’ll die..
Matt McIrvin
@Anoniminous: Unfortunately I suspect that, aside from the Busters making a lot of noise about Jill Stein, there are also some number of male Obama voters who are going to vote for Johnson because he has a Johnson. It seems to me like that story’s being underreported, given Johnson’s poll numbers, which are generally better than Stein’s.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
Or, you could have just advised everyone to relax.
;-)
D58826
@hovercraft: Well certainly. In fact she ghost wrote the documentary about herself that was the basis of the suit. Those Clintons really do own the Green Lantern.
Slag
@hellslittlestangel: Yes!
p.a.
@Matt McIrvin: “Keep a johnson in the White House”?
Gin & Tonic
@hellslittlestangel:
Am I the only one who has an occasional twinge of nostalgia for a certain obsessive late-night-thread commenter?
Citizen Alan
@JMG:
I’m still pissed off about those punks who insisted on holding up a Bernie banner to block everyone’s view of a 102-year-old delegate who didn’t think she’d live long enough to see a woman president. Vile fuckers.
Matt McIrvin
@p.a.: He has literally actually adopted “Feel The Johnson” as a campaign slogan, which I’m sure the frat bros love, but it also makes his pitch pretty clear.
jl
@srv: Thanks for a good laugh.
But you are correct, Sanders is stronger than all the GOP goofus losers combined. As is HRC.
Librarian
“Smellovision Replaces Television””Bing Crosby ‘s Horse Hasn’t Come in Yet “
Cacti
I’m starting to get an ominous feeling that Trump could win the national election with a plurality of the popular vote.
Everything seems to be going in the wrong direction for Hillz in the polls. I’m hoping for a healthy convention bounce, but afraid it won’t be there.
Matt McIrvin
@p.a.: Though it also occurs to me that the track record of Johnsons in the White House is not great.
guachi
Conventions need more singing.
The song they are singing now is a bit cheesy. Well, a lot cheesy. But it’s a good break from speech after speech.
Gin & Tonic
@Matt McIrvin: The only people in my (small) social circle that I ever see mentioning Gary Johnson are those who I guaran-damn-tee voted for Romney in 2012 and McCain in 2008.
Omnes Omnibus
@guachi: What the fuck was that anyway?
Mike J
(3 tweets condensed)
Citizen Alan
Given everything that’s happened for the past few days, is it responsible to speculate on whether the BoBers are actually knowing agents of the Kremlin? Is it irresponsible not to (as Nooners would say)?
Miss Bianca
@M. Bouffant: “For this he must ask forgiveness”
Beg forgiveness of your Bros, Bernie! For daring to acknowledge reality and urging them to do so too!
Jesus – was I used to respect Chris Hedges? Or was that Christopher Hitchens? Now I’m starting to get the two of them mixed up….
hellslittlestangel
@Cacti: See Comment #3. And calm down. She’s got this.
inventor
@srv: Donney and Vladey sittin’ in a tree….
guachi
@Omnes Omnibus:
I was being polite.
Quinerly
@Matt McIrvin:
“Feel the Johnson!” I know, it’s been said before.
Matt McIrvin
@Cacti: Current polling should be close to Trump’s absolute high point. The polls that are coming in now have periods in the field that cover the end of the Republican convention and the subsequent weekend; there’s nothing from Dem convention week at all. And so far, the Dem convention is getting higher TV ratings.
Monday looked like it might actually be a net negative for Hillary until Michelle came on; she really turned it around. I think now that the idiots have walked out we should be in a better situation.
Amaranthine RBG
Yeah, why can’t people just ignore the corruption of the process and embrace the outcome!!!
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
@Citizen Alan: Certainly. I think it’s pretty well known that certain governments have paid commenters pretending to be Americans. That’s just a routine propaganda operation, and not an expensive one either.
guachi
Yay! Jesse Jackson!
His Green Eggs and Ham on SNL is one of the funniest things I have ever seen.
Bobby Thomson
Those clicks won’t bait themselves.
Mary G
@Gin & Tonic: Yes, you are. If I ever click on a link to find a cheesy tune from the 70s again, it’ll be too soon. Much as I love Omnes, multiple calls to him get old fast.
Mnemosyne
@hellslittlestangel:
I had one (1) on my Facebook feed, but she got mad at me and blocked me after I told her that Hillary was the plaintiff in Citizens United, which means that she DIDN’T want corporations to be allowed to make unlimited contributions. She was opposed to it.
That didn’t go over well, so now I’m blocked.
Anoniminous
@Matt McIrvin:
Oh probably. People are stupid that way. On the other hand I think Clinton will recoup those morons’ votes and win much, much, more votes from women because she is a woman.
Without polling it’s impossible to really know but I’m thinking Johnson’s numbers are being supported by people in the Libertarian Wing of the GOP who can’t stomach The
FraudsterTrumpster. It wouldn’t take many to shift his percentages.Cacti
@Matt McIrvin:
Hoping for barn burners from Joe and Barry.
Jeff Spender
When I see someone write Feel the Johnson I reply with #FlaccidJohnson.
It really gets on their nerves.
Bobby Thomson
@Berial: they did their sit in in the media tent.
p.a.
@Matt McIrvin: Shame no one has done a greek-style tragedy based on LBJ. Think it would be… killer.
hellslittlestangel
@Mnemosyne: What a shame!
dmsilev
@Amaranthine RBG: Help, help, I’m being repressed!
Miss Bianca
@p.a.:
MacBird! is about as close as we’ve gotten, so far…
@M. Bouffant: Jinx!
Comrade Jake
A fart-in is the perfect final act for the revolution turned bowel-movement.
M. Bouffant
@p.a.: Will you settle for Shakespearean?
Ooops! Just one min. late!
hellslittlestangel
I’ve got nothing to do this afternoon, so I’m watching the under card at the DNC — and they are fucking awesomely inspiring!
p.a.
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym:
The Confederate States of America for one.
Mnemosyne
@Gin & Tonic:
Yes, you’re the only one. He got creepy and stalker-y when his favored commenter started flirting with female commenters, so he had to go. As we should all know by now, calling a fellow commenter the c-word is always banworthy.
JMG
@p.a.: I saw “All the Way,” the play on LBJ in 1964 and Bryan Cranston was killer as Johnson. The playwright is doing a second and possibly third play on the downfall years, there was some Vietnam foreshadowing in the first one.
tastytone
My conservative relatives are going to have a field day with this. They tend to jab me with You Tube videos of Earth First! folks screaming hysterically over trees. Now it will be footage of some assholes with tape over their mouths & farting because their candidate lost the primary.
pseudonymous in nc
@efgoldman:
Seriously, this. It’s like panicking because you’re being pursued by a rabid tortoise. Donate, organise, volunteer, get people registered. Fear is the only way the rabid tortoise is going to catch you.
guachi
Anyone who wants to watch online, the DNC has a great live feed. Very high quality.
It’s at demconvention dot com slash live
Omnes Omnibus
@Mary G: Try being Omnes in that situation.
Quinerly
@Bobby Thomson:
Any news on the Bernie delegate who was going on the hunger strike until he gets the nomination?
p.a.
@Miss Bianca: @M. Bouffant: that’s a new one on me! but I was thinking of his civil rights advances v VietNam debacle. I never bought into the assassination conspiracy stuff, but it didn’t take long: 1967!
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne: Ooh, I was still in lurk mode watching all that go down…hoo-wee, that sitch was a little bit of a stinker!
@Omnes Omnibus: I remember one time when I complained that a regular patron at the bar I worked at was stalking me, and I was told I should “feel flattered”. I didn’t. So I feel/did feel badly for you.
guachi
Anyone who wants to watch the convention live online should go to demconvention dot com slash live.
The feed is high quality, HD level stuff.
Villago Delenda Est
@Amaranthine RBG: So how corrupt the process is depends on the outcome. You sound like one of those “True the Vote!” people who are convinced that there is no way a Democrat could ever win an election without the help of massive vote fraud.
Quinerly
@Jeff Spender:
Love that. Stealing it.
SiubhanDuinne
@Gin & Tonic:
Yes, you are. Caligula was creepy and annoying, and always hijacked every thread he entered. Omnes was infinitely more gracious and patient with him than I would have been.
Iowa Old Lady
@Gene108: I have to admit the ability to fart when you want to is a talent I did not think was wide spread.
p.a.
@M. Bouffant:
oh my!
Omnes Omnibus
@Iowa Old Lady: It is one of the lesser superpowers.
jenn
Two thoughts:
(1) I am struck with the beautiful parade of women, men, black, latinx, asian-american, native american, and white speaking on that stage. What a contrast.
(2) It’s become clear that the Bernie-or-Bust crowd is entirely uninterested in the democratic process, and would be quite happy with a dictatorship as long as they got to choose the dictator.
mai naem mobile
@Cacti: unfortunately I feel that way too. I hope I am wrong. I wasn’t that worriedq about Obama in 2012 but this one,I just have started to have a bad feeling about. I just feel Trump can manipulate stuff to win.
Quinerly
@Matt McIrvin:
You are fucking kidding me. I’ve been saying it as a joke. Flacid!
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
@Omnes Omnibus:
Ominous Omnibus.
Mary G
@Omnes Omnibus: You handled it much better than I would have.
Omnes Omnibus
@mai naem mobile: Every time you get that bad feeling, go donate, sign up to phone bank or go door to door. Doing something useful will make you feel better and it will also make what you are scared of less likely to happen.
hovercraft
@Matt McIrvin:
And every media org. has a vested interest in making the race seem as competitive as possible, both for ratings and for campaign commercial. The Hillary has stopped running ads in Colorado for the tome being. In public polls they are up between 8 and 10 points. Joel Benenson said they are playing it by ear and they want ot go on offense in red states, force them to defend and narrow his path to victory.
Quinerly
@Matt McIrvin:
The empty seats at the Dem convention ended up being filled in with alternate delegates. Hall is full.
p.a.
@Omnes Omnibus: Is that a DC or Marvel-worthy skill? And I certainly hope it is reserved for a white hetero male; it mirrors the Bernbots, and we SWMs deserve such a ‘talent’.
Miss Bianca
@SiubhanDuinne: Now I’m feeling a sinister desire to eat everything in sight.
Ominous Omnivore.
Trollhattan
@JMG:
Oh I hope so! The cast was great–especially Cranston, the story was paced well and seemed to cover the period in a manner neither nostalgic nor overwrought.
Kay
@Amaranthine RBG:
Honestly and seriously, to me it’s like “we found evidence of politics in a political party!” I’m perfectly sincere. The DNC is just a giant version of your county Party. It’s political – there is all kinds of scheming going on :)
I don’t mean this to be unkind but you probably have to buy into an inherently political process to run an insurgent candidate for a major party nomination and win. It’s not a court where there are actual due process protections and it’s not a general election. This is a party process. You’re the insurgent. It’s really incumbent upon you to BEAT the establishment at their own game. You can’t ask them to just turn it over to you.
The people who work for a political party are pushing a political agenda that tends to benefit the long-standing members? Heavens to Betsy. I’m shocked.
Emma
@srv: Your masters are running scared, aren’t they?
Howard Beale IV
It’s official: Assange is a troll-enabler.
hovercraft
Even Bill Press is concerned that the dems. have wasted two nights not addressing the threat of terrorism, is Obama enough to show the dems are serious about their number one threat. RNC scared everyone, why isn’t this convention all reactionary, more terror all the time. Our failed media experiment is going to get us all killed.
Emma
@tastytone: Send them back videos of all the security people saying Trump is a clear and present danger.
hovercraft
@Quinerly:
Do you think they knew about the alternates? I mean even the award shows have seat fillers, hell if the need arose Hillary could have sent her brooklyn staff over on the train, it’s a couple of hours away at most. Amatures.
Quinerly
I must apologize. Started at the bottom of the comments. Have been laughing to myself for a few days over the possibility of unhappy Bern Feelers finding “their Johnson.” I had no idea that “Feel the Johnson” is actually a real thing for Gary Johnson’s campaign. What a bunch of idiots.
dogwood
@mai naem mobile:
I think it’s the presence of third parties getting attention this time that makes people uneasy, and rightly so. Vanity candidates like Stein and Johnson don’t much care about anything but their own ideology. Bill Weld signing up to a campaign that could possibly facilitate a Trump presidency does surprise me though. I agree with Hank Paulson, who endorsed Hillary by saying Republicans who vote third party aren’t off the hook if Trump is elected. If you want to send a message to the party then you vote for her. I’d say the same about democrats who think voting third party absolves them from responsibility.
Cacti
@mai naem mobile:
I was never worried about Obama.
I’m starting to get the John Kerry feeling about Hillary.
p.a.
@Kay: Indeed. As I commented previously; the nerve of the DNC favoring a candidate who is an actual, registered, large-dee Democrat over a *ahem* party-crashing interloper. (and this is coming from an early Bernie supporter.)
Partisan Cheese
SO DNC collusion and proof of a rigged primary. No big deal, as long as it helps Hillary! Must be nice to have inconsistent morals. If you can say you wouldn’t care if it had benefited Sanders, you are lying.
Emma
So now I’ve read through the thread. Ahem… CAN WE STOP WITH THE PANTY WETTING?
As has been pointed out before, this is the beginning of the process, not the end. There’s a lot of time until November.
Also, Trump is not an evil genius. He’s a racist that stands for the white supremacy types. We knew that going in.
Emma
@Partisan Cheese: One memo from someone with a nasty mind. No proof anything was ever done. If you have it, bring it.
Cacti
@Partisan Cheese:
Assuming that you aren’t just a GOP rodent copulater, where is this proof of a rigged primary?
A straight line can be drawn from Bernie’s loss to his inability to connect with black and Hispanic voters across the country.
Villago Delenda Est
@Partisan Cheese: Yet Bernie did better than anyone (even Bernie!) ever though he would. His main mission from the start was to pull Hillary left. Mission accomplished! Yet the Bernie bros cannot let go of the fantasy. All this fucking elephant shit about “corruption” and “rigged!” is, whether you like it or not, perceived as bullshit for Drumpf bullshit by actual Democrats.
Gin & Tonic
@Mnemosyne: I guess I must have missed that part.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Omnes Omnibus:
It’s a curse that you’re so damned charismatic.
Matt McIrvin
@Quinerly: We’ll see how many people on Election Day are interested in electing somebody, and how many are feeling their Johnson.
Pogonip
@Mnemosyne: “Cole” is banworthy?
burnspbesq
@srv:
All the time you spend hitting yourself in the head with a hammer is starting to show.
Pogonip
A fart-in? Sounds like a real gas.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack (phone): And good looking.
Matt McIrvin
@Cacti: I’m betting it’s the nonsense about exit polls that’s going around in the Buster community. They literally believe they’ve got proof that Hillary was having the voting machines rigged.
Repeat after me: The DNC does not run primaries. The DNC runs caucuses! Which candidate was strongest in caucuses?
burnspbesq
I love Harry Reid, but this speech should be a Schedule 2 controlled substance. Putting the hall into a coma.
nastybrutishntall
@Cacti: This was the same time of the year Presidents McCain and Romney secured their victories as well. /phew
Technocrat
@Cacti:
When they say “rigged”, they mean “insufficiently favorable to Bernie”. More debates would have helped Bernie, so not having more debates is evidence of rigging. QED.
LAO
@Matt McIrvin: Facts, you want to dissuade them with facts? It won’t work, they live in an alternate reality. Only the sandernistas’ perception matter.
Mnemosyne
@Pogonip:
Oooh, now you’ve done it! ;-)
Pogonip
@Iowa Old Lady: I wondered about that too. What if you go to great lengths to publicize your fart-in and then no farts occur?
Maybe they can bring some bulldogs as insurance.
Pogonip
@Mnemosyne: Cole, I say! Cole! Cole! Cole!
Mnemosyne
Feh. I can’t get the DNC live stream to work. Does C-Span have one?
dogwood
@Matt McIrvin:
Let those people talk among themselves. Paying attention to Bernie’s conspiracy kook squad is now a waste of time. Anyone who saw that Trump presser today should understand that Drumpf ain’t John McCain or Mitt Romney or even George fucking Bush. This is serious business.
Omnes Omnibus
@Pogonip: You might want to switch to decaf.
burnspbesq
@Partisan Cheese:
Have you always been utterly full of shit, or is this a condition of recent onset?
The Thin Black Duke
@dogwood: Amen. The shit done got real.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Mnemosyne:
Yes.
Pogonip
If you type “fart” into google, “fart in” is the 2nd suggestion to come up.
I will be interested to see what the Trump faction comes up with in response to the fart-in.
burnspbesq
@Mnemosyne:
C-SPAN Radio app.
tobie
@hovercraft: Perhaps we haven’t addressed this because we’ve had to devote two nights to the Bernfeelers who still aren’t satisfied.
Pogonip
@Omnes Omnibus: why, does it produce better results at a fart-in?
nastybrutishntall
@Partisan Cheese: Show us on the doll where Debbie molested your votes.
Omnes Omnibus
@Pogonip: I can honestly say that I do not know.
gwangung
@JMG: GREAT SOCIETY is already out..,long, meaty, fascinating, but a lot of it I knew from being here.
Mnemosyne
@Steeplejack (phone):
@burnspbesq:
I got the C-Span feed to work by changing browsers — thanks!
The DNC feed turned on, but it’s all “behind the scenes” interviews. Meh.
burnspbesq
O’Malley en fuego: Trump is an “immigrant-bashing carnival barker.”
seaboogie
Governor Moonbeam is up – yay Jerry!!!! (CA gal here…)
burnspbesq
Jerry: “Even the Know-Nothing Party … didn’t stray this far.”
Tastytone
@Emma:
They’re old-school, and thankfully not in the tank for him. (I usually reply with that video of George Bush going out the wrong door in China.)
LAC
@Cacti: am I the only one who thinks you said this in 2008 and 2012? You do know white guys’ votes do not actually count twice?
Matt McIrvin
@dogwood: Weld’s theory was probably that Johnson takes more votes from Trump than from Clinton. But it remains to be seen whether that’s true.
Matt McIrvin
@Technocrat:
It gets waaaaaayyyy crazier than that.
LAC
@burnspbesq: well, we should not be too dismissive of srv. He would probably be a good source of information about a fart-in.
LAC
@Emma: well it is too late for Cacti. He is soaked through and not a pampers in sight. Sort of how we felt back in the day when the Germans bombed pearl Harbor.
Feebog
Bernie was done after the March 15 sweep of mid-west states.
John Weiss
There’s always someone(s) who think that one can polish a turd.
BernieBros>HillaryBots
@Soylent Green:
Gore did not lose because of Nader. That’s been debunked countless times over the past 15 years. Get your facts straight before you embarrass yourself again.
Nader 2000 Facts
– Had Nader not run, Bush would have won by more in Florida. CNN’s exit poll showed Bush at 49 percent and Gore at 47 percent, with 2 percent not voting in a hypothetical Nader-less Florida race.
– Gore lost 191,000 self-described liberals to Bush, compared to less than 34,000 who voted for Nader.
– There are two other Florida constituencies that cost Gore more votes than Nader did. First, Democrats. Yes, Democrats! Nader only drew 24,000 Democrats to his cause, yet 308,000 Democrats voted for Bush.
– EVERY third-party candidate received more than the 543 votes by which Gore lost!!
Bush also probably would have won had the state conducted the limited recount of only four heavily Democratic counties that Al Gore asked for, the study found. On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount. The Florida Supreme Court ordered only a recount of so-called “undervotes,” about 62,000 ballots where voting machines didn’t detect any vote for a presidential candidate.
You want to blame someone?
– Al Gore’s loss could have been blamed primarily on the 308,000 Democrats who voted for Bush.
– Or it could have been blamed on the seven other third-party candidates – or any one of them.
– Or it could have been blamed on the Supreme Court.
– Or it could have been blamed on the electoral college system.
The Democratic Party strategically chose to blame Ralph Nader (the Green Party), and the lazy corporate media ran with it. I know this is a Dempublican/Hillprop blog, but still, let’s try to be intellectually honest.
dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/lewis/pdf/greenreform9.pdf prorev.com/green2000.htm salon.com/2011/04/04/third_party_myth_easterbrook/ salon.com/2000/11/28/hightower/ shadowproof.com/2012/08/26/debunking-pathological-myths-of-the-2000-election-part-1-cnn-exit-polls-p… thecrimson.com/article/2012/11/1/harvard-letter-stein/
BernieBros>HillaryBots
@Feebog:
Bernie was done before the race started. It wasn’t a fair race. The DNC email dump proves this.
It’s amazing to me why the readers of this site pulling the ostrich routine here — attempting to deflect attention from the facts. If the RNC had similar emails released, you’d be calling for blood. Why don’t you guys just admit that you’re as bad as the Republicans? It’s not about improving our lives at all — it’s just about scoring points for the blue tribe.