Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The real work of an opposition party is to oppose.

“The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

Nikki Haley, who can’t acknowledge ‘slavery’, is a pathetic shill.

Republicans got rid of McCarthy. Democrats chose not to save him.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

An unpunished coup is a training exercise.

Lick the third rail, it tastes like chocolate!

You’re just a puppy masquerading as an old coot.

This blog will pay for itself.

He seems like a smart guy, but JFC, what a dick!

“I was told there would be no fact checking.”

Imperialist aggressors must be defeated, or the whole world loses.

Jack Smith: “Why did you start campaigning in the middle of my investigation?!”

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

Donald Jessica Trump found guilty as fuck – May 30, 2024!

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

Spilling the end game before they can coat it in frankl luntz-approved dogwhistles.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Pessimism assures that nothing of any importance will change.

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  2. 2.

    Major Major Major Major

    Oh thank god a new thread.

    So I’ve made peace with my situation at work since I came to realize that, at least for now, I’m being paid to sit around, drink coffee, and write a novel/work on my website/learn interesting new programming things. It’s really freed up my weekends!

  5. 5.

    Brachiator

    I’ve been looking at the House tax plan. I see that they want to do away with credits for electric cars. I think this is part of Trump’s master plan to bring coal jobs back. I look forward to coal powered auty-mobiles.

    I still haven’t seen Blade Runner 2049. I may try to catch it and also see the new Thor movie. Some co-workers went to see Thor Thursday night (say that 3 times real fast) and thoroughly (or Thoroly) enjoyed it. A couple of people are thor that they didn’t go with them to thee it. Sorry, can’t help mythelf.

    Anyhoo, I need a little silliness. It’s been a crazy week.

  7. 7.

    Spanky

    I need about 3 more pieces of leftover Halloween candy to make me completely comatose for the rest of the afternoon. I’m short by 2, dammit.

  10. 10.

    Amaranthine RBG

    So, since open thread, has anyone seen a thoughtful take on how movie fans should wad through the new ethical minefield presented by the recent revelations about Weinstein/Spacey/Hoffman/etc.

    I stopped seeing Polanski/Allen films a long time ago. I just didn’t see how it could be morally appropriate.

    I doubt that Weinstein/Spacey will be producing or acting in any new films for a while, but what about their catalog. Is everything from Miramax tainted now. And, while there are plenty of reasons to avoid the dreck and morally compromised output of Disney in general, I am wondering if their long association with Miramax is enough to just cross them off the list completely now.

  12. 12.

    Betty Cracker

    @Brachiator: We are huge fans of the original Blade Runner and enjoyed the reboot, but thought it could have used a ruthless editor. I’ll say no more. Also hoping to see Thor this weekend.

  14. 14.

    TenguPhule

    Dear FSM,

    I have not been the most devout follower. I confess that my consumption of pasta has declined since the sun darkened on Nov 8, 2016. But if you’re listening, please have Trump and his wife suffer an unspecified medical emergency aboard Air Force One that keeps them from coming to my island, defiling our soil and completely fucking up our traffic.

    Ramen.

  15. 15.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Brachiator: It apparently also taxes tuition paid by the school for graduate students with teaching/research fellowships in the sciences. That would basically make it impossible for most students.

  17. 17.

    Spanky

    WaPo article:

    Trump heads to Asia where concerns are growing over possible war with North Korea

    Fun fact: The 2018 Winter Olympics are scheduled for February … in South Korea.

  19. 19.

    germy

    I saw a photo from the White House Halloween gala. All the costumed kids running around while 45 and his missus played host and hostess. Lots of weird photos, but the one that stuck in my mind is of an adult in a Tyrannosaurus Rex costume (someone joked it was Spicer). The T-Rex is standing next to Trump and Melania, and Melania is recoiling in fear. I’m guessing she was joking, but…

    I don’t know.

    Here’s the photo:
    http://mashable.com/2017/10/30/donald-trump-halloween-t-rex/#c0F3xPLjqmq5

    I like the still photo, but the NBC video reminds me that Drumpf is basically W.C. Fields aka Larceny Whipsnade. His reaction is pure Fields.

  21. 21.

    Brachiator

    @germy:

    The Wonder Woman film was popular here. Is anyone planning on seeing her in the new Justice League, or is that a bridge too far?

    I’m mildly curious about Justice League. Whether I see it depends on the strength of the reviews and the early word of mouth.

    With Thor, I hear that director Taika Waititi (love that name) brought a little fun and irreverence to the proceedings. Like the diversity in his selection as a director (he is part Maori). I understand that he wrote an early screenplay for “Moana” and his other films are very interesting.

    @Betty Cracker:

    We are huge fans of the original Blade Runner and enjoyed the reboot, but thought it could have used a ruthless editor.

    One of the reasons I previously stayed away. I don’t mind long movies, but you gotta earn the right to do it.

  22. 22.

    Amaranthine RBG

    @Spanky:

    She frames the issue well, but it seems her solution of some kind of Seal of Approval is kind of a throw away.

    Interesting though. Thanks.

  24. 24.

    CaseyL

    I don’t go in for retroactively “banning” artists’ works, because if we go down that rabbit hole we eliminate just about every artwork ever made.

    For example: How can you go see The Ring Cycle, knowing Wagner was a Nazi? How can you watch Shakespeare’s Richard III, knowing he was smearing Richard III by repeating Tudor propaganda? How can you watch Star Trek, knowing Gene Roddenberry was a sexual harasser? How can you watch Tootsie, now that we know Dustin Hoffman groped someone in 1984?

    While I understand, and sympathize with, the urge to judge past works by current ethical/moral norms – hell, I do it myself! – I think there should be some recognition that norms were different in the past. I’m not sure how it’s useful to judge things that happened 30-odd years ago by today’s standards. You might be depriving the offenders of a few dollars (surely not more than that, if we’re talking about residuals after 30 years), but that’s about it.

    (I’m also not sure of the utility of banning the work because you despise the maker. Very few artists stand up to close scrutiny; it used to be a truism that one should never meet one’s artistic idols, because they would likely turn out to be jerks.)

    More important is to boycott works made now when the makers violate current ethical/moral norms. For one thing, that has a bigger box office impact.

  25. 25.

    germy

    @Spanky:

    Open thread? But everyone is having so much fun in the bar fight downstairs!

    I ran when I heard the sound of chairs scraping back on the floor.

  27. 27.

    JMG

    @Brachiator: It is very hard to make a really good Thor movie. The general rule of thumb is that the more powerful the superhero, the harder it is to make movies about them, because it becomes harder to create supervillains of equivalent or even superior power. Many more good Batman than Superman movies, fer instance, and all the Hulk films have been lacking. That’s why Disney/Marvel created the Avengers cycle, because that way they can have superhero internal conflict as well as bad guys vs. hero dynamics.

  35. 35.

    TenguPhule

    Conservative Republicans demand Mueller recuse himself over uranium deal

    Well Fuck, its starting.

    Three conservative House Republicans are expected to file a resolution Friday calling on special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to recuse himself from his probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, accusing him of conflicts of interest.

    Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), who wrote the resolution, accuses Mueller of having a conflict of interest because he was serving as FBI chief when the Obama administration approved a deal allowing a Russian company to purchase a Canada-based mining group with uranium operations in the United States, according to a draft obtained by The Washington Post.

    Now to see if this gets traction in the House or dies stillborn.

  36. 36.

    Lee Hartmann

    You shouldn’t feel embarassed to have more pics of the dogs than of the kid. My mother had more pictures of her dogs than her four boys, and I can’t say I blame her.

  37. 37.

    catclub

    very possible I have more puppy photos of my dogs than I do baby photos of my kid.

    puppies are cuter, and you are not worried about dropping them, so you have free hand for camera.

  39. 39.

    Amaranthine RBG

    @Brachiator:

    You might want to look into Disney a bit. You could start with Song of the South and you could end with the fact that they are attempting to extort theatre owners with the latest Star Wars release by demanding 4 week commitment at 65% of ticket sales or face a draconian penalty.

  42. 42.

    catclub

    @TenguPhule: 1. I am pretty sure that the US under trump has NOT done anything to reverse this worst of all possible deals. After someone asks if they have done anything to reverse it, then they will.

    2. How exactly does that conflict work? He favored the Russians so he will favor them again? (Assumes any previous favors.)

  44. 44.

    Brachiator

    @JMG:

    It is very hard to make a really good Thor movie. The general rule of thumb is that the more powerful the superhero, the harder it is to make movies about them, because it becomes harder to create supervillains of equivalent or even superior power.

    I hear this, but I think that there is much to it than that. And I can nerd out of this big time. The power levels of all superheroes is kinda arbitrary.

    Many more good Batman than Superman movies, fer instance, and all the Hulk films have been lacking.

    For me the biggest problem of the first Hulk movie (the Ang Lee Hulk) is that they failed to make the Hulk dense. The CGI and practical effects made him look like a balloon.
    And the villains, some kind of weird dog monsters, were just stupid.

    That’s why Disney/Marvel created the Avengers cycle, because that way they can have superhero internal conflict as well as bad guys vs. hero dynamics.

    The Marvel team think that they have a well-thought out formula, but mainly they lucked out in having Robert Downey Jr kick things off with a great Iron Man. But their biggest problem is lame bad guys, often hidden behind tons of make-up.

    Oddly enough, DC has some of the most iconic villains, as well as iconic heroes. And neither Lex Luthor nor the Joker are super-powered.

  47. 47.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @TenguPhule:
    What conflict of interest exists there? Muller wasn’t the one who approved the deal itself. It was a panel of some kind that approved it right?
    Besides, the president has the authority to revoke the deal at anytime. So why hasn’t he if the deal was improper?

  48. 48.

    Spanky

    @TenguPhule: You left out the bestest part:

    President Trump has often brought up the Uranium One deal in 2010 as a way to accuse Hillary Clinton of potential corruption and foreign collusion, despite scant evidence she was directly involved in the decision to allow it to proceed. Nine government agencies make up the government committee that reviews such deals, along with five other observer agencies; the FBI is not one of them.

  49. 49.

    geg6

    @Uncle Ebeneezer:

    My sister and I watch that show every Saturday afternoon during our Sister Saturday visit. The guy who plays Pence kills me. We were totally bummed when Scaramucci was fired because Mario Cantone played him on The President Show absolutely perfectly.

  50. 50.

    TenguPhule

    @catclub:

    How exactly does that conflict work? He favored the Russians so he will favor them again? (Assumes any previous favors.)

    It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to confuse enough people long enough to give Trump cover.

    Between this and Trump fuming that the justice department has not started investigations into his political enemies and also coming here to fuck up our state’s traffic, I’m not liking today.

  52. 52.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Amaranthine RBG: I’ve been struggling with how to thread that needle with my own conscience, starting with wrestling with my feelings about Cosby. His routines are such an integral part of my childhood, I have fond memories of a date seeing him live, and every recording of his in my iTunes can still make me laugh.

    Where I ended up with Cos is that I can’t enjoy his stuff right now, but will listen again when he dies.

    I’m afraid I’ve continued to watch Woody Allen’s stuff. I’ve always loved Kevin Spacey and don’t know the details of his scandal so have to work out how I feel. Yes, I do live in a cave, what makes you ask?

  56. 56.

    J R in WV

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Could you do some Zen meditation, say after the lunch break, to allow your meal to digest a little? I have always thought that having time to meditate at work would be really positive!

  57. 57.

    germy

    @geg6: The guy who plays Trump is perfect. From what I understand, he sent an audition tape to SNL and was rejected. Lorne Michaels then shared the tape with Baldwin, who took some of his mannerisms. I can’t stand to watch Baldwin’s impression.

    The only thing I worry about Anthony Atamanuik is he seems to have built his whole career around drumpf. If 45 strokes out, he’ll end up like Vaughn Meader.

  60. 60.

    Amaranthine RBG

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    There have been a number of allegations (some sourced, some anonymous) of him attempting to seduce or even rape 14 year old boys when he was in his 20s. And several incidents of grabbing people in bars. He’s supposedly “seeking treatment” according to his agent/publicists – who have now dumped him.

    I sort of envy you not knowing this stuff.

  61. 61.

    Brachiator

    @rikyrah:

    lamh went to see it last night, and came back to say that she thought it was the best of the 3 Thor movies.

    Marvel is on a roll. The upcoming “Black Panther” looks outrageously good.

  62. 62.

    low-tech cyclist

    As a mother I am ashamed to admit this, but it’s very possible I have more puppy photos of my dogs than I do baby photos of my kid.

    If the kid was born back when digital cameras were either expensive or nonexistent, that makes perfect sense.

    My wife and I bought our first digital camera in the fall of 2001, just before our first trip to Hawaii. I have a few orders of magnitude more pictures I’ve taken since then than before – and ‘before’ is my first 47 years.

    Good thing my kid came along after that, amirite? He’s 10 years old and I have untold thousands of photos of him.

  63. 63.

    d58826

    They are arguing over the DNC ‘scandal’. One of Bernie’s campaign aides says the DNC owes Bernie an apology and that the DNC always had its thumb on the scale for Hillary. The name of the organization is the Democratic National Committee. Hilary has been active in Democratic politics all her adult life. Bernie never has been and never will be a Democrat. He is a carpetbagger. In fact the Bernie aid said that Bernie signed the joint funding agreement to get access to democratic party voting lists and money, And Hillary owes Bernie an apology?

  65. 65.

    catclub

    @d58826: Kevin Drum has a useful (to me) rundown. I suspect that if blame were evenly apportioned, Obama would get a lot more and Clinton a lot less.

  69. 69.

    Mnemosyne

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Disney dumped the Weinsteins in 2005, which forced them to form the Weinstein Company. So it’s up to you if you want to punish the company for an association they severed over a decade ago.

  70. 70.

    Brachiator

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    Where I ended up with Cos is that I can’t enjoy his stuff right now, but will listen again when he dies.

    I came to a similar decision with respect to any future work by Roman Polanski.

    I have less of an issue with Woody Allen since I don’t think he has done any significant work since “Mighty Aphrodite.” But apart from that, the exact nature of his supposed transgressions is not all that clear.

    I really haven’t come up with any general reaction to some of the other people who have been written about. Mainly, I have been staggered by sadness at how many women, and men, had their lives and careers damaged by these people who not only preyed on them, but who also often tried to intimidate them and keep them silent.

  71. 71.

    Major Major Major Major

    @ruemara: 500 words in 2 days is pretty good for a script, no?

    I can’t really get more than 1000 decent words out in my novel per day regardless of how much time I have. Seems to be a bit of a hard limit for me right now. 750 yesterday, 367 so far today.

  74. 74.

    Mnemosyne

    @ruemara:
    @Major Major Major Major:

    If it’s a script, IMO pages are a more useful way to count your productivity since that’s how most people do it. Novels use word count.

    Also, I emailed both of yiz with a corrected date for SF (same weekend, but I accidentally said Sunday when I meant Saturday).

  75. 75.

    Major Major Major Major

    @J R in WV: Maybe, maybe not. Fifty years is a long time, and genocide is rather different from “the Jews have all the money”. His plays had some big anti-semitic elements, it’s true, but I don’t think they’re worth throwing out.

    Regarding the identity I can speak personally about, I don’t think antediluvian attitudes about gay people should invalidate a 19th-century author’s work.

  77. 77.

    Humboldtblue

    Betty, one of these days you’re going to have to re-tell the story of your daughter and the hidden xmas gift. In fact, I think you should be required to re-tell it every holiday season, say on Black Friday or on Dec. 6th. It’s as much a xmas classic as any Jimmy Stewart movie.

  79. 79.

    Amaranthine RBG

    @Mnemosyne:

    Good god, you are desperate to try to be one of the cool kids by coming up with what you think are clever insults.

    Star Wars was, and is, crap. Never say any of them in the theatres. Just awful.

  81. 81.

    gvg

    It’s easier to photograph a dog than a kid. Sometimes dogs are still and we are allowed to leash them. With a kid, until a certain age, I had to be pretty alert. Not as much attention for a camera. Cats also have photo issues..red eyes in flash and hide too much unless they want to be petted which uses up hands so I can’t take a picture. also they do cute things with no warning.
    My real problem is I grew up when cameras were somewhat expensive, developing film also and I don’t have a habit of being ready to take a pic except of gardens. Flowers don’t move much. I have no pics of my childhood cat. I had a few but they are lost. Even my last cat, i didn’t take enough. just couldn’t get in the habit.

  82. 82.

    TenguPhule

    @Mnemosyne:

    ARGB still can’t get over Disney ruining Star Wars by making a woman and a Black man the leads.

    To be fair, that wasn’t how Disney ruined Star Wars. It was having Abrams direct it.

  83. 83.

    Mnemosyne

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    If you think that Song of the South is the worst example of what Disney produced, you’re pretty ignorant.

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Ah, yes, the classic I’m too HIGHBROW to have seen any of those dreadful movies! comeback. That’s always a good one.

    We can play the “who’s seen the artsiest movie?” game if you want, but I warn you, I have two film degrees, so I always win. How did you like “Meshes of the Afternoon,” anyway?

  87. 87.

    Mnemosyne

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Uh-huh. Still waiting to hear why Disney severing their relationship with the Weinsteins in 2005 means that current Disney movies should be boycotted. I’m about to start my lunch break, so you have plenty of time to explain your rationale.

  88. 88.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Mnemosyne:
    You’ll have to give Steve more time than that. It’s funny. His “please pay attention to me” comment is just projection.

  89. 89.

    Brachiator

    @Mnemosyne:

    ARGB still can’t get over Disney ruining Star Wars by making a woman and a Black man the leads.

    ARGB is as wrong about movies as he/she is wrong about everything else.

    We can play the “who’s seen the artsiest movie?” game if you want, but I warn you, I have two film degrees, so I always win.

    I don’t know. I’ve seen some obscure (and sometimes wonderful) stuff.

  91. 91.

    Mnemosyne

    @Brachiator:

    Favorite obscure movie that I think you might like: The Saragossa Manuscript, which is an Eastern European (maybe Polish?) film from 1965. It has a series of overlapping narratives that circle together tighter and tighter until you think it’s going to collapse … and then the stories converge on one moment and the whole thing unspools back to the beginning.

  92. 92.

    J R in WV

    @Major Major Major Major:

    True… a good point. While any coding, actually any typing at all, would at least look busy.

    I was contracting at a big utility company, and the project I was first hired for was, um, massively terminated. There were a crowd of Arthur, Anderson consultants looking busy, and their project manager would fly in on a company jet, yell at people, and fly back out. They were all terminated – when we came in to work their portion of the work space was empty.

    They didn’t terminate the software people they had hired, there was always more work to do than workers. But they didn’t assign me anything. Pre Internet, around 1989 or so. We were migrating the company books from an in house system to a commercial accounting system, so all new keys, different file system.

    I would take a break by carrying a clipboard, a couple printouts of old programs, etc and walking around the facility very briskly. The systems were so old they were first written in 1401 Autocoder, then converted to COBOL. Variable names were A, B, C, etc. It was a horror, but the best money I had made.

    Eventually I got to manage a small team converting a system running against VSAM files to DB2 tables, while not really knowing VSAM nor DB2. I stayed ahead of the curve somehow.

    Then the first project, the accounting conversion came back to life. I ran the team converting current data files into the new “DB” files, which were really just VSAM files, really. Tape files converted to disk files. Once we were done testing, we were done, but they wanted to keep us around, just in case.

    Eventually I begged my manager to give me an out date, it was 01/31… we left for FL and stayed with my folks for 6 weeks, joy. Took dad to the USVI and went sailing for a week, pure joy.

    I know about needing to at least look busy, tedious work, harder than really working. Hang in there!

  93. 93.

    Zach

    Folks in Trump’s orbit are so F’d:

    “They [the Russians] have dirt on her”; “the Russians had emails of Clinton”; “they have thousands of emails.”

    That’s what the Russian “professor” told George Papadopoulos on April 26th, months before the wikileaks release of hacked e-mail began. For the next few months he persistently lobbied Manafort, Clovis and who knows who else to set up a Russia meeting. Is there ANY chance he kept the email hack to himself?

    My guess is that the upcoming charges against Russian agents leaked this week and Papadopoulos’ plea are linked. Mueller is going for some kinda RICO/hacking/espionage case in which some number of Trump’s staff if not Trump himself are complicit in espionage by, at the least, not reporting their knowledge of the email hack… then even if Trump was kept out of that he’s still on the hook for obstruction.

  94. 94.

    Mnemosyne

    @Zach:

    I’m also starting to wonder if this is one of the reasons the MSM (especially the NYT) stayed on the Clinton Emails story for so long — they kept having a bunch of different Republican contacts telling them that the story was totally going to bust open any day now, not realizing that it was a whole disinformation campaign by the Russians and that’s why so many different sources seemed to have the information.

  95. 95.

    Brachiator

    @Mnemosyne:

    Favorite obscure movie that I think you might like: The Saragossa Manuscript, which is an Eastern European (maybe Polish?) film from 1965.

    I will try to hunt it down. I like the little IMDB tidbit that “Luis Buñuel, who seldom viewed movies more than once, liked this film so much that he saw it three times.”

  96. 96.

    Mnemosyne

    @Brachiator:

    It will require all of your concentration, but it’s so rewarding when you get to that magical moment when one story crosses paths with another and suddenly it all makes perfect sense.

    ETA: I believe it got a Criterion edition, so it shouldn’t be too hard to find these days.

  99. 99.

    J R in WV

    @Major Major Major Major:

    True, and I’m not sure artistic work is that closely related to illogical and flawed mental processes i.e. prejudice. Plus look at the culture of the times. I’m not a big opera fan, but Wagner’s musical ability is undeniable. I have a disk with all the instrumentals, overtures, etc, and it’s pretty wonderful listening.

    Some wonderful things have been created by some very disturbed artists. The mind is a mysterious thing, so far pretty opaque to science…

  100. 100.

    Czanne

    @BettyCracker: Film was expensive. Developing even more so, and even if one was a good amateur photographer, baby and kid pics are hard. Leaving aside the orange oxidation that seems to plague any photo print from 1960 to 1990ish…

    Today’s accomplishment: the public parts of our house are again clean. Also, the garage is tidy enough to get back to work. The basement and bedrooms are still… less ordered than I’d like, but the big pre-winter clean has been accomplished. And I found Spouse’s wedding ring, which he lost about 6 months ago. I now know for certain that his definition of vacuuming and mine do not coincide. Ring was under his recliner, which means when he’s vacuumed, he has not moved the furniture.

  101. 101.

    J R in WV

    Betty,

    Forgot to say, a great puppy picture. You can see that they have temporarily exhausted themselves, and are immobile for a few minutes. Very cute!!

    And little, just a few weeks old. Do you recall their age in that photo? I would guess 8 or 10 weeks. I grew up with a boxer, built tall and lean compared to most I see now, but fierce and loyal, and the standard square jaw, and pints of drool. Ginger was her name, running was her game. My next door grandma’s dog.

  102. 102.

    Zach

    @Mnemosyne:

    they kept having a bunch of different Republican contacts telling them that the story was totally going to bust open any day now

    And I’m sure the Russian campaign included cultivating relationships with members of the media just as much as with members of the Trump campaign.

  103. 103.

    (((CassandraLeo)))

    @J R in WV: Dunno about that. Despite being an antisemite, Wagner wasn’t particularly sympathetic to authoritarianism overall; in fact, he had a close association with Bakunin when they were younger, and IIRC, he was arrested, deported, or both as a result of his revolutionary activities. (Bakunin, despite also being an antisemite, was an anarchist as well.) He got less politically radical as he aged, but the overall message of his operas still comes across to me as being that love is a more significant force than power or hatred. Not exactly a message that supports authoritarianism, despite the Nazis’ attempts to coopt him. (We might note that they also did the same with Nietzsche, who wasn’t at all an antisemite, nor was he a nationalist.)

    This isn’t, of course, meant to dismiss Wagner’s flaws; it’s just to note that people are complicated.

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