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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Hail to the Hairpiece / Open Thread: Not All Heroes Wear Capes

Open Thread: Not All Heroes Wear Capes

by Anne Laurie|  November 7, 20175:58 pm| 187 Comments

This post is in: Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, All we want is life beyond the thunderdome, Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated?

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#AkimaLLC should have applauded Juli Briskman's bravery and honesty. I hope she sues them, and I will help crowdfund her legal bills. pic.twitter.com/64GbGy5asq

— Laura (@LauraDalMare) November 6, 2017

Her name is Juli Briskman (@julibriskman), she's from my hometown (Sterling, VA) and she's a patriot. Someone give her a job. Thank you. https://t.co/v7Bc89Va7t

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) November 6, 2017


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“Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.”

Local columnist Petula Dvorak, in the Washington Post:

It was the middle-finger salute seen around the world.

Juli Briskman’s protest aimed at the presidential motorcade that roared past her while she was on her cycling path in Northern Virginia late last month became an instantly viral photo.

Turns out it has now cost the 50-year-old marketing executive her job.

On Halloween, after Briskman gave her bosses at Akima, a government contracting firm, a heads-up that she was the unidentified cyclist in the photo, they took her into a room and fired her, she said, escorting her out of the building with a box of her things.

“I wasn’t even at work when I did that,” Briskman said. “But they told me I violated the code-of-conduct policy.”…

Because Briskman was in charge of the firm’s social-media presence during her six-month tenure there, she recently flagged something that did link her company to some pretty ugly stuff.

As she was monitoring Facebook this summer, she found a public comment by a senior director at the company in an otherwise civil discussion by one of his employees about the Black Lives Matter movement.

“You’re a f—— Libtard a——,” the director injected, using his profile that clearly and repeatedly identifies himself as an employee of the firm…

Did the man, a middle-aged executive who had been with the company for seven years, get the old “Section 4.3” boot?

Nope. He cleaned up the comment, spit-shined his public profile and kept on trucking at work.

But the single mother of two teens who made an impulsive gesture while on her bike on her day off?

Adios, amiga…

TY new friends. ??? Please vote! GN

— juli_briskman (@julibriskman) November 7, 2017

There’s at least one GoFundMe account set up in her name, but I don’t know if it’s been verified.

In the Good News department, the retired children’s librarian who laughed at Jeff Sessions in public will not be charged a second time. Maybe Sessions’ lawyers convinced him he’ll be too busy elsewhere to give this case his full attention?

Desiree Fairooz tells me she’s relieved she’s no longer facing "a criminal conviction for a chortle” https://t.co/hz21O9kzAs pic.twitter.com/Jaif9gBoum

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) November 7, 2017

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  1. 1.

    WereBear

    November 7, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    What disgusting people our opponents are.

  2. 2.

    jharp

    November 7, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    Why would anyone want to work for such fucking dicks?

    She will look back on the day she was fired as a good thing.

  3. 3.

    debbie

    November 7, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    I hope she’s working on objecting to that disparate treatment, and I hope she gets a huge settlement.

  4. 4.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 7, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    @jharp: Many people can’t be picky about their employer.

  5. 5.

    Mike J

    November 7, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    @jharp:

    Why would anyone want to work for such fucking dicks?

    Paycheck. Actually liking your job or the people at it is a luxury that the majority of people don’t have.

  6. 6.

    Suzanne

    November 7, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    @jharp:

    Why would anyone want to work for such fucking dicks?

    MONEY.

    What we want and what we need has been confused, been confused……

  7. 7.

    eclare

    November 7, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Yeah, I think the article said she was single with two kids.

  8. 8.

    jl

    November 7, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    Since open thread, after today’s election is over, need some posts to contact Congress on the tax bill. From what I heard on the news this morning, seems like enough horrible provisions will come out that can get it killed. As, for example:
    Tax deduction for uninsured property losses in accident eliminated unless part of officially declared federal disaster area ( think that is right, the wording in the report was a little unclear)
    Elimination of deduction for medical expenses
    And, expansion of favorable pass-through income treatment does not apply to anyone who actually works for a living. So if you are a doctor or an engineer, you don’t get it. Amazing. I guess this is another screw-their-own-base provision.

    And in same news report, i heard donors are really pissed that their bennies are not big enough. Why wait for complete elimination of inheritance tax? Why not get rid of it all right now now now? And some GOP House fink said the donors are doubling down on their threats to walk if they don’t get everything.These jerks are despicable, and on the up side, insane, incompetent and childish.

    If Senate can even be persuaded to just moderate the tax slash scam substantially, could really jam things up. And if McConnell tries to ram through an extreme bill, could see a repeat the humiliating public fiasco on healthcare.

  9. 9.

    Amaranthine RBG

    November 7, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    More heroes: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/us/church-shooting-heroes-reunite-trnd/index.html

  10. 10.

    jl

    November 7, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    @Suzanne: If there is a double standard in terms of company policy, can she sue and take the jackass director’s house?

  11. 11.

    JMG

    November 7, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    A government contracting firm? That doesn’t sound too suspiciously vague or anything. Perhaps a Democratic Congressperson could drop them a friendly phone call saying “when we get the majority, your business is toast. Prepare for much testifying.”

  12. 12.

    Mary G

    November 7, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    @jl: I had stopped calling Darrell Issa as often, but when this bill came out I went back to every day, plus postcards/faxes. I have thousands of dollars in medical expenses and have itemized for years, even without a mortgage, and would have to pay a lot more in taxes. I actually think that’s OK for me, but most disabled people didn’t have my choice to keep working as long as I did and a mom who believed in owning your own home in an area where prices skyrocketed.

  13. 13.

    Roger Moore

    November 7, 2017 at 6:21 pm

    @jl:

    And some GOP House fink said the donors are doubling down on their threats to walk if they don’t get everything.

    That seems like a red flag telling the Democrats to double down on defeating it by all means fair or foul. Getting a good policy outcome and creating a schism between Republican elected officials and their ultra-rich donors? Where do I sign up?

  14. 14.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 7, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    OT – Was in Bowling Green today, talking to a lawyer who knows Rand Paul and his attacker. Seems that they actually have been squabbling over yard waste for years. Paul is goofy and the last person in that neighborhood doing his own yard work. The neighbor hasn’t practiced medicine for a decade, had some brain injury.

    Things boiled over. My informant despises both of them.

  15. 15.

    boatboy_srq

    November 7, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    The standard, it is double.

    Hope she finds someplace worthwhile. There are plenty of libprog businesses in NoVA, but nowhere near as many as should be: it’s Defense Contractor Central.

  16. 16.

    trollhattan

    November 7, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    @debbie:
    Seconded. The compare-and-contrast would play very interestingly to a jury.

  17. 17.

    Roger Moore

    November 7, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @Mary G:
    Amazingly enough, Issa has actually come out against the bill in its current form. I guess he can read the electoral tea leaves well enough to know he doesn’t want any part of it.

  18. 18.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    November 7, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    @Amaranthine RBG:
    I sincerely hope you’re joking. All those guys did was risk their own lives and the lives of others chasing that guy at 95 miles an hour down the interstate. What if they had lost control? Or exchanged gunfire on the freeway, killing bystanders? This isn’t an action movie, this is real life.

  19. 19.

    boatboy_srq

    November 7, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    @JMG: See my comment #15. NoVA is big on defense: Bechtel, BAE, Rolls Royce, Mitre, Lockheed, Northrup, all are here. There are a number of less-MilInd contractors out there, but these guys are the big players. Don’t expect any Dems to do much about this (right away).

  20. 20.

    jharp

    November 7, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    “Why would anyone want to work for such fucking dicks?”

    “Paycheck. Actually liking your job or the people at it is a luxury that the majority of people don’t have.”

    Paycheck. Actually liking your job or the people at it is a luxury that the majority of people don’t have.’

    “MONEY”.

    I teach my kids differently. Do not go to work for assholes. It will cost you in the end.

    And yes. We were all born on first base so my family can enjoy that option.

  21. 21.

    jl

    November 7, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    @Roger Moore: For the sake of my bilious splenetic true-blue BJ soul, the bleating of that House GOPer over donor threats cheered me up. These ghouls are already pissing their pants over getting something passed that is horrible enough to please their donors, so will be that much easier to get them shitting their pants with some salutary and healthy citizen input on their outrageous BS.

  22. 22.

    randy khan

    November 7, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    I’m glad to hear the feds have dropped the prosecution of Fairooz. It was stupid from the start, and they should have known it.

  23. 23.

    gbbalto

    November 7, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    @jharp: Very nice for you! Perhaps they didn’t appear to be such dicks when she hired on. Single mom – may not be so easy to quit on purity principles.

  24. 24.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 7, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    @jharp:

    I teach my kids differently. Do not go to work for assholes. It will cost you in the end.

    And yes. We were all born on first base so my family can enjoy that option.

    So you know it’s not a very universally-applicable piece of advice and you still use it to judge people?

  25. 25.

    germy

    November 7, 2017 at 6:34 pm


    Desiree Fairooz tells me she’s relieved she’s no longer facing “a criminal conviction for a chortle”

    That’s how it starts with you liberals. First a chortle, then a guffaw. Pretty soon you’re tittering, cackling, and finally snickering. An example should have been made of her.

  26. 26.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    @WereBear:

    What disgusting people our opponents are.

    That’s why they’re our opponents.

  27. 27.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    @jl:

    If Senate can even be persuaded to just moderate the tax slash scam substantially, could really jam things up. And if McConnell tries to ram through an extreme bill, could see a repeat the humiliating public fiasco on healthcare.

    Not willing to risk it. Kill it in the womb, we must.

    This time the fuckers have an actual threat looming over their heads which will force out a compromise bill, the donors cut off the money if they don’t.

  28. 28.

    TS

    November 7, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    Amazingly enough, Issa has actually come out against the bill in its current form. I guess he can read the electoral tea leaves well enough to know he doesn’t want any part of it.

    Only thing Issa wants is re-election – which is doubtful & impossible if he supports this bill

  29. 29.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    I’ll flip off Trump for money.

  30. 30.

    jl

    November 7, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @Baud: You let your supporters flip you off for free, though. Hypocrisy issue for Baud 2020!?

  31. 31.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @Baud:

    I’ll flip off Trump for money.

    I’ll undercut your bid by $100.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    @TenguPhule: We could pay off the national debt!

  33. 33.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    @jl: One of many.

  34. 34.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 7, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    @Baud: @TenguPhule: Does this mean I have to refrain from flipping Trump off to artificially constrain supply?

  35. 35.

    Suzanne

    November 7, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    @jharp: Lots of us have worked terrible jobs in order to maintain a roof over our heads. While I recommend doing something else if you have the option, not many people are overwhelmed with options.

  36. 36.

    Mary G

    November 7, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    @Roger Moore: I haven’t been down there myself, but there is a protest outside Issa’s local office every Tuesday since election day, exactly one year. That’s dedication. Today’s is still going on, but last week they had more than 600 people attend.

    My new hero is Ted Lieu, representative of probably the bluest district in So. California, Santa Monica & Malibu. His twitters responding to Trump are great, and WaPo has a great article today on “‘I can’t do this again’: Why a congressman walked out of moment of silence for Texas victims.” He broadcasted on Facebook instead that he’s a Catholic, he prayed on Sunday, but he’s a legislator, so he wants to pass gun safety laws rather than make empty gestures.

  37. 37.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Does this mean I have to refrain from flipping Trump off to artificially constrain supply?

    No, it means we have to petition Congress to get wrist supports as tax write offs.

    Those fingers aren’t going to flip themselves.

  38. 38.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 7, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    @Mary G: Oh man, I saw some headlines today and the gun-humping flag-wavers are super pissed off.

  39. 39.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    @Mary G: Ted Lieu is the best. Good for him.

  40. 40.

    NotMax

    November 7, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    Okay, before the election results start dribbling out, who needs a chuckle?

  41. 41.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    Trump is tweeting again.

    /palm to face

  42. 42.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    November 7, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    12 minutes and it’s out of our hands. I feel good about Virginia tonight. At least I know I did what I could to help.

  43. 43.

    smintheus

    November 7, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    I flipped off Bush’s motorcade in 2004. Lots of people must’ve done it to one lousy Republican president or another over the years. Never heard of anyone getting fired for it before.

  44. 44.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    November 7, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Good Christ, what’s he saying now?

  45. 45.

    NotMax

    November 7, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    Have’y heard boo about whether there are any important ballot initiatives anywhere today.

  46. 46.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): So far accusing the Democratic candidate in Virginia of being the incarnation of all that is evil on Earth (paraphrased) and promising that if the Republican gets elected, crime and M13 will end.

  47. 47.

    randy khan

    November 7, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Yes, kill the tax bill as early as possible. Carnage among the Republicans is desirable, but really optional, since failure to pass it will cause enough carnage of its own.

  48. 48.

    mai naem mobile

    November 7, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: it makes me wonder how much of a job being a Senator is that Rand has the time to do his own yard work. And I am serious not being snarky.

  49. 49.

    randy khan

    November 7, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    From your lips to God’s ear.

  50. 50.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    @mai naem mobile: They work less then 4 months a year under the current schedule, IIRC.

    Work being defined as having to be in DC and vote.

  51. 51.

    Mike J

    November 7, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    Add Ted Poe, TX-02 to the list of Republicans who aren’t running in ’18.

  52. 52.

    Kathleen

    November 7, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: From The Twitters:

    Ragnarok Lobster@electricbrotha
    Atlas Thugged

  53. 53.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    November 7, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Well, that’s good to know. I’m glad he isn’t letting stupid ass shit like his fucking job get in the way of his vital twitting. Asswipe…

  54. 54.

    Suzanne

    November 7, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    @smintheus: The ex-Mr. Suzanne and I flipped off Bush’s giant head on an outdoor screen at a debate-watch event in 2004. A photographer took a photo of us with our fingers silhouetted against the screen. Spawn the Elder was on my shoulders. I joked that the photo should be called “American Gothic”.

  55. 55.

    Suzanne

    November 7, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    @mai naem mobile: Rand Paul has said that mowing the lawn is calming and therapeutic for him. Of all the reasons to hate the entitled twit, mowing his own lawn is not one of them. I also have a hard time being pissed at him for composting or gardening.

    Of course, I have an HOA, and my HOA is very reasonable, and I still hate it.

  56. 56.

    trollhattan

    November 7, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    @Mary G:
    That’s a hell of a contrast to Pence with his “I’m a Christian first, conservative second and Republican third.”

    Ted Lieu for emperor!

  57. 57.

    Duane

    November 7, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    @jl: That GOP House fink was Collins of New York. Flat out admitted it. In a sane world, that should end the sellout’s political career.

  58. 58.

    Gravenstone

    November 7, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    In sports news, former MLB pitcher Roy Halladay has been killed in a private plane crash. Hell of a pitcher. And judging by the depths of the remarks from his former organizations and teammates, a hell of a man as well.

  59. 59.

    A Ghost to Most

    November 7, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    @jharp:
    In a past life, I worked for Akima for five years. Owned (was then) by some rich fuck of Hawaiian descent, using it to snag contracts because it was native owned. He seemed pretty skeevy.

  60. 60.

    NotMax

    November 7, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    @NotMax

    Quickie search did find this.

    Some pretty important mayoralty races today – New York, Atlanta, Boston, Minneapolis, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Seattle and Charlotte.

  61. 61.

    Mary G

    November 7, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    Another “Fuck You, California” in the tax bill:

    The GOP tax bill would end deduction for wildfire and earthquake victims — but not recent hurricane victims https://t.co/sLWxBJSHGM pic.twitter.com/InjIoaamoX— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) November 7, 2017

    Some disasters are more disastrous than others? They can’t seriously think that’s Constitutional.

  62. 62.

    Kathleen

    November 7, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    @NotMax: (Raises Hand) Cincinnati!

  63. 63.

    la caterina (Mrs. Johannes)

    November 7, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    @NotMax: We have one in NY- a proposal for a Constitutional Convention. All good lefties voted “no” on that one because there’s too much we could lose and whatever we’d gain could easily be done by standalone amendment to the state constitution.

  64. 64.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    @Mike J: That’s great news.

  65. 65.

    Fair Economist

    November 7, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    @Mike J:

    Add Ted Poe, TX-02 to the list of Republicans who aren’t running in ’18.

    Doesn’t that make two retirements just today?

  66. 66.

    Jeffro

    November 7, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    If Chris Matthews kisses this (Richmond Times-Dispatch) prick’s ass one more time I’m going to put a shoe through my fucking tv

  67. 67.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    @Mary G:

    They can’t seriously think that’s Constitutional.

    It helps that they’ve never read the Constitution.

  68. 68.

    Calouste

    November 7, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    @Duane: Even in a sane country it would.

    In Britain, although hardly an example of sanity these days, the Defense Secretary resigned last week over allegations of sexual misbehavior for example.

  69. 69.

    zzyzx

    November 7, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    Too early to call instead off too close is a good sign for Virginia.

  70. 70.

    hueyplong

    November 7, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    @Jeffro: WTF are you doing watching Chris Matthews?

  71. 71.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    @Gravenstone: Oh wow.

  72. 72.

    Corner Stone

    November 7, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @Jeffro: What? You got a problem with the word “elan” ?

  73. 73.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @Calouste: More of the government in the UK is going to have to resign once their Russian connections become public.

  74. 74.

    Elizabelle

    November 7, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I am feeling good too. Good NoVA turnout. Was so rainy late afternoon I could not mark my canvass sheets. Packets are coming back in, falling apart.

  75. 75.

    Jeffro

    November 7, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    @hueyplong: wanted to see what the blessed “hot take” was on cable news, no matter how many times I’ve railed against its utter stupidity

    I’m like Pookie in NEW JACK CITY: “…that shit be calling me, man, it be calling me…”

  76. 76.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 7, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: …and even if you’re born of first, you can always get thrown out going to 2nd base.

  77. 77.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    @Elizabelle: I’ve decided to be pre-angry and hopefully will be presently surprised by the amount of our wins.

  78. 78.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 7, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    @Elizabelle: @zzyzx: Blue Virginia blog has been in a pretty good mood all day.

  79. 79.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    @Yarrow: Hell, the government may collapse their any day now since the PM is such a weak putz that she can’t control her own foreign policy Department.

  80. 80.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    @Baud:

    I’ve decided to be pre-angry and hopefully will be presently surprised by the amount of our wins.

    And here you thought us cynics didn’t have any good points!

  81. 81.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    @TenguPhule: It’s bad when cynics infect others. that’s when it’s harmful.

  82. 82.

    Mike J

    November 7, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    @Fair Economist: Third this week and fifth this year from Texas alone.

  83. 83.

    Calouste

    November 7, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @Yarrow: I noticed that Papandopoulos lived in London, and Carter studied in London. I doubt that the Russians set up a spy operation in London exclusively to recruit Americans who happened to come by, and distribute some polonium.

  84. 84.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 7, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @Baud: Are you a cynic?

  85. 85.

    dexwood

    November 7, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    @jharp:
    Born on first is ok, but it ain’t great. Re-adjust your perspective. Necessity is a powerful motivator.

  86. 86.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    @TenguPhule: Boris is in trouble and he likes to think of himself as PM-in-waiting. Brexit is not really happening. The whole thing is a mess.

  87. 87.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    @Calouste: London is a hotbed of spy activity. Russians are not the only ones. Also, Cambridge Analytica does not have “Cambridge” in its name by accident.

  88. 88.

    Gelfling 545

    November 7, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    @jl:
    “And some GOP House fink said the donors are doubling down on their threats to walk if they don’t get everything.”
    That would be Chris Collins. Contender for dumbest man in Congress.

  89. 89.

    ByRookorbyCrook

    November 7, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @la caterina (Mrs. Johannes):

    We have one in NY- a proposal for a Constitutional Convention. All good lefties voted “no” on that one because there’s too much we could lose and whatever we’d gain could easily be done by a standalone amendment to the state constitution.

    Conservatives are against it as well. NYPIRG is ‘neutral’. Every union is against because it is a raid on the pension piggy bank. I have heard a lot of Public Defenders are for the Convention because the deck is so stacked with county courts, but I haven’t seen any other groups being aggressively ‘for’, except for front groups.

  90. 90.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 7, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @mai naem mobile:

    And I am serious not being snarky.

    Sure you’re on the right blog?

  91. 91.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @Yarrow: The incompetence of the Tories is really quite shocking. They’ve just been given a deadline by the EU that promises to be painful when the Brexit crew fails to meet it. They are perhaps the only country on Earth in deeper shit then we are.

  92. 92.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Depends on my mood. Sometimes. I try not to bring others down though.

  93. 93.

    trollhattan

    November 7, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Brexit is not really happening.

    Why do you think so? I thought the Tories were all in.

  94. 94.

    MomSense

    November 7, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    Michael Steele defending Ed birth of a nation Gillespie. I can’t even with him.

  95. 95.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    @Gelfling 545:

    Contender for dumbest man in Congress.

    Oh right, Ted Cruz resigned to join the misadministration.

  96. 96.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    @trollhattan: They are, but they can’t negotiate worth a damn. 6 months in and they’ve accomplished nothing as far as defining the terms. So hard Brexit crash looks increasingly likely.

  97. 97.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 7, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    @MomSense: Didn’t they work together at the RNC? Is it kind of a “oh, it’s all an act, I know that guy, for real, he’s cool” sort of thing?

  98. 98.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    @trollhattan: Maybe I didn’t phrase that well. It’s happening but the negotiations are going very badly. The Tories can’t figure out how to negotiate anything, the EU is playing hardball and that means the UK will end up with a very hard Brexit. By “not happening” I meant “going very poorly, hardly going at all.”

  99. 99.

    NotMax

    November 7, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    @Gelfling 545

    Contender for dumbest man in Congress.

    So, V.P. material then?

  100. 100.

    debbie

    November 7, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    @smintheus:

    I flipped off Nixon when he spoke here in the 1970 Congressional elections. Unfortunately, as I was wearing my school uniform, I was found out and served a detention for my action.

  101. 101.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 7, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    @trollhattan: The tories are all in for brexit like the GOP is all in for a border wall or repealing obamacare.

  102. 102.

    Mary G

    November 7, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    With 4% in, it’s a virtual tie. Am I right in remembering that No. VA votes come in later than the rest of the state, or is that just wishful thinking? I know, I need to calm down, but I just can’t.

  103. 103.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 7, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    On Halloween, after Briskman gave her bosses at Akima, a government contracting firm, a heads-up that she was the unidentified cyclist in the photo

    Why though? Unless they could identify her as the cyclist, I would have kept my mouth shut.

  104. 104.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    @Mary G: You are correct.

  105. 105.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    @Yarrow:

    It’s happening but the negotiations are going very badly.

    A clusterfuck in an omnishambles bearing down on catastrophe, I believe some observers have put it.

  106. 106.

    NotMax

    November 7, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    @Mary G

    Your recollection is correct.

  107. 107.

    smintheus

    November 7, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    Have a working-class neighbor who allowed himself for no particular reason some years ago to be flipped from Democrat to Republican. His ancestry is Irish; you know the saying, the Irish are a people who remember everything and forgive nothing.

    Just struck me that that’s no longer the case, though. Republicans have really managed to convince a lot of people who ought to know better to remember nothing and forgive them everything.

  108. 108.

    WaterGirl

    November 7, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    Any idea what time we can expect to know about VA and all the other important elections? After the election a year ago, I don’t think I can look until we have the final result. Bastards! Stole the election and stole my faith in our elections.

  109. 109.

    trollhattan

    November 7, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    @TenguPhule: @Yarrow:
    Ah, got it.

    Too bad they’re stuck with May for the time being, it would be nice to see a Labour coalition in power to maybe put the brakes on the whole thing. It’s like the country is getting into boats headed back to Dunkirk.

  110. 110.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: She was giving them a courtesy heads up so they wouldn’t be caught by surprise.

  111. 111.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 7, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    @Mary G: From Blue Virginia blog:
    +++
    Gentle reminder to all my Virginia politicos with short memories and non-Virginia political neophytes watching tonight’s results that the results will come out in this order:

    1. Rural Virginia (dark red)
    2. Hampton Roads (purple)
    3. Richmond and the burbs (purple)
    4. Arlington/Alexandria (dark blue)
    5. Loudoun and Prince William (light blue)
    6. Fairfax (blue)
    +++
    Near the bottom of the top part of this page: http://bluevirginia.us/2017/11/live-blog-virginia-election-results-2017

  112. 112.

    Francis Fauquier

    November 7, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    Results looking really really good for Northam so far even in my disgustingly Red County. Still early, but Northam is seriously outstripping Hillary and McAuliffe in white, rural counties/precincts.

  113. 113.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 7:31 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: She was their social media manager (or one of them) and felt it was better to give her bosses a heads up rather than have them be surprised. She’d already acknowledged it was her on her personal social media account, so she couldn’t really pretend it wasn’t her.

    Her better move might have been to deny it from the beginning, but once it was out she probably figured it was just a matter of time before her employer got wind of it since the photo had gone so viral.

  114. 114.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:31 pm

    @trollhattan: She’s just a few resignations away from her government collapsing. Her cabinet is disrespecting her AF right now.

  115. 115.

    MomSense

    November 7, 2017 at 7:31 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    I don’t know why anyone would think cynically exploiting racism for votes is better.

  116. 116.

    Suzanne

    November 7, 2017 at 7:31 pm

    Early results have Gillespie up by 5%. Fuck.

  117. 117.

    Mary G

    November 7, 2017 at 7:31 pm

    @Baud: Thank you, future POTUS!

    ETA: And you, too, FlipYrWig!

  118. 118.

    JPL

    November 7, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    @Mary G: I’ve been working my tail off for a local candidate where I live in GA. It’s non-partisan, so national politics don’t enter into the race. I told another volunteer, that I’m more concerned about VA race.

  119. 119.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 7, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    @Mary G: Yes, Northern Virginia is the last counted and usually pulls the state blue. It will probably be a late night before the winner is announced.

  120. 120.

    Suzanne

    November 7, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: Thank you. I did not know that.

  121. 121.

    smintheus

    November 7, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    @debbie: I think even Jesus would have flipped Nixon off. Good for you.

  122. 122.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    November 7, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    @trollhattan:

    That’s a hell of a contrast to Pence with his “I’m a Christian first, conservative second and Republican third.”

    Remember, it’s only liberal SJWs that play “identity politics”.

  123. 123.

    Mike J

    November 7, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    Dave Weigel‏ Verified account @daveweigel 23 minutes ago

    First exit has white vote at 68% — down from 72% in 2013. That’s good for Northam, if true.

  124. 124.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    @Suzanne: Just switch the tv off or change the channel. The result is baked in, no sense freaking out about the counting now.

  125. 125.

    p.a.

    November 7, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    Don’t forget NJ. If Menendez goes down I believe the gov names a replacement. Need a D there too.

  126. 126.

    japa21

    November 7, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    If you go by exit polling only, it looks good for Northam. He is even with or doing better than Clinton did in exit polls in all categories. Not by much, but she beat Trump by 5%.

  127. 127.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 7, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: Good to know, thanks, now I don’t have to look it up! :)

  128. 128.

    Suzanne

    November 7, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    no sense freaking out about the counting now.

    Hi, I’m Suzanne. I’m a fairly neurotic individual. Nice to meet you.

  129. 129.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 7, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    @Suzanne: Easy there, fella

  130. 130.

    Mike in Pasadena

    November 7, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    Was ther some big news about the 25 Texas worshippers coming back to life after Sunday’s shooting? I just belatedly read that Paul Ryan defended his thoughts and prayers bullshit by saying on Fox that the secular left doesn’t understand that prayer works. No follow up question asking HOW prayer works. Rethuglicans have been uttering “thoughts and prayers” after mass shootings for years now. Yet, we ccontinue to have more mass shootings and more dead people that stay dead dead dead. How exactly have those prayers worked?

  131. 131.

    eclare

    November 7, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    CNN reporting that POS pressured Pompeo for six to eight weeks to meet with some conspiracy theorist that believes the DNC hack was an inside job. Pompeo met with him today.

  132. 132.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 7, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    @Suzanne: Northern Virginia won’t be counted until much later and is the bluest part of the state.

  133. 133.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    @Suzanne: Hope you’re doing a bit better today.

  134. 134.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    Good News if this bears out on the Tax Cut Front

    There are other major differences between the House bill and what Senate lawmakers are preparing to introduce.

    House Republicans have ensured that Americans will be able to deduct up to $10,000 in local property taxes from their federal taxable income, but that provision is not expected to be in the Senate bill unless a last-minute change is made.

    Senate Republicans also do not plan to collapse the seven income tax brackets that families and individuals pay down to four brackets, another major difference from the House GOP approach.

    The Senate plan is expected to keep roughly seven brackets, though they are expected to either lower the tax rates paid by some of these brackets or change what income levels pay certain brackets.

    There will be a number of other changes to the taxes that certain businesses pay and the way companies are taxed on overseas earnings. Senate negotiators aren’t planning to include a temporary $300 “family flexibility credit” contained in the House bill. It’s this credit, which would expire after five years, that has fueled criticism that the House bill would eventually lead to higher taxes for some middle class families.

    Far enough apart that there’s plenty of room to drive deeper wedges between the House and Senate.

  135. 135.

    japa21

    November 7, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    18% reporting and Northam up by 2 percent.

  136. 136.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 7, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    @japa21: That’s what I said on No More Mr. Nice Blog. Let’s not forget that Hillary Clinton won by 5 and Terry McAuliffe, WHO NOBODY EVEN LIKED, won 4 years ago.

  137. 137.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 7:38 pm

    @p.a.: Isn’t NJ supposed to be a cakewalk?

  138. 138.

    eclare

    November 7, 2017 at 7:38 pm

    @p.a.: We need Menendez to survive til the D takes office in January. Not worried about the D winning, worried about the timing of the verdict. Personal opinion is that even if he’s found guilty, stay in office til January. Bring a gun to a gun fight for once.

  139. 139.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    @Mike in Pasadena:

    How exactly have those prayers worked?

    Republicans pray the general electorate remains stupid. Inevitably, their prayers are always answered.

  140. 140.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 7, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    @Mike in Pasadena: Prayer works by keeping Republican sheep in line after mass shootings. It’s become a cynical way to do nothing while looking pious.

  141. 141.

    Mary G

    November 7, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    Went to the Virginia Dept of Elections results page – Northam has pulled ahead slightly with 19% of votes counted. I feel better. They update every ten minutes.

  142. 142.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 7, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    @Suzanne: You? Neurotic? You don’t say.

  143. 143.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    @eclare:

    CNN reporting that POS pressured Pompeo for six to eight weeks to meet with some conspiracy theorist that believes the DNC hack was an inside job.

    Brazille or Warren?

  144. 144.

    Sloane Ranger

    November 7, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    @Yarrow: Not to mention Priti Patel. Just heard on the news she had several other meetings with Israeli officials she didn’t bother mentioning to anyone. She’s going to get really roughed up in the Commons as the Speaker has granted an urgent question. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person. She’s an arrogant entitled prick who thinks the US Republican party is too left wing!

  145. 145.

    amygdala

    November 7, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    @japa21: And only 1% of the Fairfax vote in, according to the NYT.

    I’m so glad you all are here as I give myself carpal tunnel syndrome refreshing the returns and wondering if a Mylanta smoothie might settle my stomach.

  146. 146.

    NotMax

    November 7, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    @

    And in very early and extremely sparse numbers from those northern counties (stir in several Lot’s wives worth of salt), Gillespie almost 30% behind.

  147. 147.

    Kirk

    November 7, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    @jharp:
    So there I sat. House seized in foreclosure, my only income from odd jobs on an irregular cycle, daughter with a chronic condition that required a couple hundred dollars of medication a month and wife’s medication doing the same. In Georgia, all because I had the effrontery to be a bit old, educated and experienced in a declining profession at the start of the great recession — lots and lots of qualified applicants for a handful of positions nationwide.

    If Koch or Trump had offered me a regular wage job doing something I hate, I’d have taken it. Because there’s this threshold below which keeping family healthy plus roof overhead and food on the table trumps everything.

    I got lucky. I got a job with a company I like and respect, doing things at which I’m good and enjoy doing. But when I see remarks like yours I keep wondering if you’ve been down that low, where first base is the dream because you’re still hoping to get your turn at bat.

    And honestly, I hope you never get there. I just hope that you’ll take a moment to recall we exist too.

  148. 148.

    eclare

    November 7, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    @Baud: Hahaha…can’t remember the name, some guy.

  149. 149.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 7, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    Blue Virginia posters say that the “Not Larry Sabato” guy is already ready to call the race for Northam.

  150. 150.

    Calouste

    November 7, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    @TenguPhule: Problem for the Brits is that they didn’t have a negotiation position to start with. The rest of the EU was quite happy to see them go. It took a while for the Tories to get that, although I think they still haven’t completely.

  151. 151.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 7:43 pm

    @Sloane Ranger: It’s going to get ugly, that’s for sure.

  152. 152.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 7:43 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    McAuliffe is Exhibit 1 in why you always vote D no matter what your impressions of the candidate are.

  153. 153.

    Jeffro

    November 7, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    @MomSense: lobbyists gonna lobby

  154. 154.

    SatanicPanic

    November 7, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @Baud: hahahahahaha well played sir

  155. 155.

    japa21

    November 7, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    24% and Northam has over a 3% lead.

  156. 156.

    Jeffro

    November 7, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @Mary G: NoVA results do come in last. No worries here

  157. 157.

    jharp

    November 7, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I get it. Some or many or maybe even most don’t have a choice.

    And I would never disparage anyone who had no choice. My bad. That was not my intent.

  158. 158.

    NotMax

    November 7, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    Refuse to watch FOX as a rule. But if Karl Rove has another meltdown might be willing to make an exception.

  159. 159.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 7, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Sounds like they are both horrible neighbors. I cannot imagine getting into a physical altercation with any of my neighbors. Whatever happened to just calling the police? Or being the better person and backing down from a fight?

  160. 160.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 7, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @Baud: Exactly! I kept wanting to scream at the Hillary haters, many of whom were T-Mac haters before, that sometimes the “unlikeable” “corporatist” can surprise you. Sigh.

  161. 161.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    @Kirk:

    But when I see remarks like yours I keep wondering if you’ve been down that low, where first base is the dream because you’re still hoping to get your turn at bat.

    Amen. It took 12 years to crawl out from the bottom.

  162. 162.

    Mike J

    November 7, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    Dave Wasserman‏ Verified account @Redistrict

    Projection: Ralph Northam (D) has been elected next governor of VA, defeating Ed Gillespie (R). #VAGOV

  163. 163.

    Baud

    November 7, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    Cole put up an election thread.

  164. 164.

    tracy ratclif

    November 7, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    @Mary G: Urban areas always come in last, because it takes longer to count the votes.

  165. 165.

    japa21

    November 7, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    Assuming Northam does win, how is the House of Delegates voting going.

  166. 166.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 7, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    @NotMax: Trump may be the one to have a Twitter meltdown and it should be epic now that he can rant in 280 characters.

  167. 167.

    Mary G

    November 7, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    Huzzah:

    Projection: Ralph Northam (D) has been elected next governor of VA, defeating Ed Gillespie (R). #VAGOV— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 8, 2017

  168. 168.

    p.a.

    November 7, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    @Baud: @eclare: Haven’t followed the polls in NJ; maybe I’m just channeling Suzanne after watching POS get elected pres.

    Speaking of channeling, I think the restless spirit of LBJ* has taken over Page and is just fucking with Rethugs for a laugh.

    *fuck LBJ

  169. 169.

    NotMax

    November 7, 2017 at 7:52 pm

    @Patricia Kayden

    Gotta link the headline scene from Citizen Kane.

    ;)

  170. 170.

    SatanicPanic

    November 7, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    @Mike J: Who is Dave Wasserman?

  171. 171.

    Kirk

    November 7, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    @TenguPhule: At ‘only’ 7: Ouch, you have my sympathy.

    Honestly, one of the things that helped me get through was support both on and off-list from commenter on this here site. Enough that I make ‘belong to a healthy blog famly’ part my recommendation to others in the boat as part of their social support networks.

  172. 172.

    Sister Golden Bear

    November 7, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    To all the “but Pence would be worse” types. Fuck you.

    You’re not the ones who are being stripped of your rights day by day.

    http://www.joemygod.com/2017/11/07/federal-agency-boots-lgbt-eeoc-policy/

  173. 173.

    debbie

    November 7, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    Also this from Mr. Wasserman:

    Pattern: Gillespie matching Trump's %s in a lot of red strongholds, but not his turnout. Meanwhile, seeing big enthusiasm edge in Dem strongholds.— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 8, 2017

  174. 174.

    debbie

    November 7, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    One more:

    Projection: Mark Herring (D) has won reelection as VA's AG, defeating John Adams (R). This time, looking like a *slightly* bigger margin than '13…— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 8, 2017

  175. 175.

    TenguPhule

    November 7, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    @Kirk: I had the misfortune to graduate right after Enron collapsed.

  176. 176.

    Suzanne

    November 7, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    @Yarrow: Yeah, definitely better than yesterday. Just talked to Spawn, and she sounded much improved from how she was in the ER. She was allowed off her unit and has been to activities and therapy. Her roommate is transgender, which thrills her. She said she is liking group therapy more than one-on-one so far because she can get stuff out of it without having to talk the whole time. So….progress?

  177. 177.

    Suzanne

    November 7, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    Political Wire has called it for Northam. I haven’t seen any of the other networks call it. Weird.

  178. 178.

    Yarrow

    November 7, 2017 at 8:09 pm

    @Suzanne: That’s great news. Glad to hear it. Hope this is the start of better times for her and you all.

  179. 179.

    guachi

    November 7, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    NYT has their projection as Northam winning by 7.9% when it’s all said and done. I think Clinton won by 5.3% in 2016. A 2.6% swing is probably more of a blue switch than you’d expect from Virginia (it’s the state trending blue the fastest, but 2.6% in one year is still large)

  180. 180.

    smintheus

    November 7, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    @TenguPhule: Sorry to hear that. I had the misfortune to graduate just when Reagan was creating the worst the economy since the Great Depression.

  181. 181.

    Ruckus

    November 7, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    It helps that they’ve never read the Constitution.

    Some of them seem unable to read anything written in any year with more than 3 digits. dense comes to mind.

  182. 182.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 7, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    @jharp:

    I teach my kids differently. Do not go to work for assholes.

    It may surprise you to learn that many assholes do not come conveniently labeled for public identification. In fact, many times their assholishness emerges only in clutch situations like this.

  183. 183.

    Ruckus

    November 7, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @smintheus:
    Jesus would have flipped off Nixon for sure. He probably would have come back just for that. He would have apologized for drumpf. Everybody gets it wrong once in a while.

  184. 184.

    Ruckus

    November 7, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    @Mike in Pasadena:

    How exactly have those prayers worked?

    Not to be too much of a smartass, but not fucking at all.
    Of course the standard comeback is they were answered and the answer was no.

  185. 185.

    Ruckus

    November 7, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    @Kirk:
    I didn’t have the wife and kid thing hanging over my head but yeah, the last recession wasn’t nearly as much fun as the others I’ve been through. Back in the early 80s I had 6 people working for me and all the work dried up. We went 4 months with no work. I cut down the hours, first to 40 (we normally worked 48 at the time) then 32. We painted, cleaned, built tools for ourselves, and I paid the guys. Two guys got pissed that I cut back the hours and left. I thanked them for their work and efforts but was I glad to see them go so I didn’t have to close up shop. Those 4 guys that hung in there were really glad to see work come back and I’m glad they had no idea how close we came to shutting down. That was 4 months. This last one was a lot longer and a lot worse.
    Glad you recovered at least somewhat.

  186. 186.

    Ruckus

    November 7, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    @Suzanne:
    Yeah! Good news!
    One on one works better for some, group works better for others. And usually for exactly the reason your daughter likes it better, less pressure to open up as often and seeing others do that encourages her. She may or may not have exactly the same issues as others in the group but she’s among equals. That can be vital. Maybe you can tell, but I’ve been a counselor and have participated in both one on one and group.

  187. 187.

    JAFD

    November 8, 2017 at 7:36 am

    @Ruckus: I once had a dream job, where young ladies would see me and immediately come and sit on my lap and tell me their deepest desires…

    … But being the K-Mart’s Santa Claus neither pays very well nor lasts very long. And if you’re just this side of homeless, many principles may be luxuries…

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