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You are here: Home / Gun Issues / Ammosexuals / Companies Fleeing The NRA

Companies Fleeing The NRA

by Cheryl Rofer|  February 23, 20184:42 pm| 159 Comments

This post is in: Ammosexuals, domestic terrorists, Enhanced Protest Techniques, Open Threads

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A number of companies have associated themselves with the NRA. Now they’ve changed their minds about that.

You might want to contact the ones that haven’t dropped out yet.  Full details here.

 

Update: Oh, and we need an open thread, so here it is!

 

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    February 23, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    GOOD GOOD GOOD

    FREE MARKET, MUTHAPHUCKAS!

  2. 2.

    rikyrah

    February 23, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    FYI:

    This NOT A DRILL. The former FLOTUS is coming to Oakland. Here’s how to snag tickets before anyone else. https://t.co/ERzBufBs0S

    — KQED (@KQED) February 23, 2018

    Get excited! Former first lady @MichelleObama to moderate conversation a the @OracleArena on March 28. https://t.co/6yXo31mO7y

    — NBC Bay Area (@nbcbayarea) February 23, 2018

  3. 3.

    rikyrah

    February 23, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    Note Mueller is getting Gates to plead guilty to lying to the FBI *JUST THREE WEEKS AGO* on February 1st, 2018.

    What were they talking about that day? Was it the ‘Queen for a Day’ proffer session?

    Either way, Mueller shows again he will go to the mat if anyone lies to the FBI.

    — Ari Melber (@AriMelber) February 23, 2018

  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    February 23, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    As JPL and I mentioned in previous thread, Mueller nailing Manafort’s balls to the wall with another superseding indictment for bribing politicians.

  5. 5.

    r€nato

    February 23, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    I am a cardholder of two credit cards from First National Bank of Omaha, the bank that just dropped its NRA affinity credit card. I made sure to send them multiple messages of support via email, Facebook, etc. They’ll even get a written letter from me.

    If you’re looking for a new credit card, show your support and seek one of theirs. They offer good promo APR rates. Or at least show support on their Facebook page, etc, they’re getting a lot of ugly messages from the knuckle-dragging gun-humping fascists.

  6. 6.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 23, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    @Corner Stone: Linky?

  7. 7.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    NEW superseding indctment from grand jury against Manafort. It alleges he "secretly retained a group of former senior European politicians to take positions favorable to Ukraine, including by lobbying in the United States" https://t.co/KyDiby8e4O

    — The Moscow Project (@moscow_project) February 23, 2018

  8. 8.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    We value all our customers but have decided to end our discount program with the NRA.

    — MetLife (@MetLife) February 23, 2018

  9. 9.

    oatler.

    February 23, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    I notice the conservative Ricochet site has been silent on the Gates news. I imagine it has to be ruminated through the Koch and AEI stomachs before it produces a story.

  10. 10.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 23, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    Open thread? Slate has a good read on how toxic online fandom has even started affecting RuPaul’s Drag Race for the worse.

  11. 11.

    Yarrow

    February 23, 2018 at 4:53 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Busy day! Tick tock, motherfuckers.

    Love how the tables have turned on the NRA. They are death-peddlers and deserve every bit of scorn and monetary loss they get.

  12. 12.

    Fair Economist

    February 23, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    Damn Mueller is fast!

    I wanna know who the European politicians are. This is going to be interesting!

  13. 13.

    rikyrah

    February 23, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    UH HUH
    UH HUH

  14. 14.

    zhena gogolia

    February 23, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    LifeLine Screening is such a scam operation.

  15. 15.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    Students have:

    – forced CNN town hall
    – got new commitments from Rubio
    – pressured POTUS to call for bump stock ban
    – led advertisers to leave NRA
    – dragged D'Souza, Ingraham, O'Reilly online
    – saw Florida aide fired for lies
    – raised *millions* for march

    It's been 9 days.

    — Isaac Saul (@Ike_Saul) February 23, 2018

  16. 16.

    Roger Moore

    February 23, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    @rikyrah:
    And guess what he lied to the FBI about. It was about a meeting with Dana Rohrbacher; the lie was apparently a denial they had been talking about Ukraine. My followup question is whether there’s enough dirt to drag Rohrbacher into the investigation and/or if they’re going to try to get him to sing.

  17. 17.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 4:58 pm

    @Fair Economist: I do too, as do many of the people I’m following on Twitter. I’ll post as soon as I’ve got them.

    I think that the Ukrainian government has been helping Mueller. They have no reason to love Manafort and Gates.

  18. 18.

    Loch in kop

    February 23, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    Called Amazon customer service today about NRATV. I wasn’t the first one, it seems.

  19. 19.

    JPL

    February 23, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:
    John Harwood has this
    per NBC’s Tom Winter/Kenzi Abou-Sabe, new Mueller indictment says Manafort “secretly retained former senior European politicians to take positions favorable to Ukraine, including by lobbying in US. In 2012-13, MANAFORT used at least four offshore accounts to wire >$2-M euros”

  20. 20.

    Brachiator

    February 23, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    Companies Fleeing The NRA

    About damn time!

  21. 21.

    Roger Moore

    February 23, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I think that the Ukrainian government has been helping Mueller. They have no reason to love Manafort and Gates.

    I wonder if Gates’s plea deal includes a no extradition clause. It won’t do him much good to avoid big jail time in the US if he gets shipped off to trial in Ukraine the moment he gets out.

  22. 22.

    JPL

    February 23, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    Here’s the indictment, and I haven’t read it yet.
    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/967154633021018119

  23. 23.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 23, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I think that the Ukrainian government has been helping Mueller.

    There is no doubt of this.

  24. 24.

    craigie

    February 23, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    Associated with them how?

    Edit: Ah, I see. Nevermind!

  25. 25.

    Calouste

    February 23, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    @Fair Economist: Nigel Farage is one of them I’m sure.

  26. 26.

    NotMax

    February 23, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    Open thread?

    FYI. Iceland’s proposed circumcision ban sparks a bigger fight over rights

  27. 27.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    Gerhard Schroeder is a fave among my tweeps for the head of the Habsburg Group. Unnamed Austrian politicians also likely.

  28. 28.

    eemom

    February 23, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    This is SO. WONDERFUL. Don’t think I’ve felt this hopeful since 2008.

  29. 29.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 23, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    I am reading the indictment now. I always thought his FARA reports would catch up with him.

  30. 30.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    February 23, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    That would be absolutely fantastic.

  31. 31.

    Alain the site fixer

    February 23, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    If anyone had a bad reload, it was me. I updated some plugins because I know Adam couldn’t resist another night of temptation of upgrading one. Better to have to solve an issue at 5 on Friday as opposed to 11, I always say!

  32. 32.

    Yarrow

    February 23, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Schroeder has really shown himself to be a real piece of work. I don’t know if he was always that bad. He was Chancellor of Germany – was he this awful then?

  33. 33.

    ruemara

    February 23, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I’ve noticed that people are insanely threatened by folks liking something other than what they like. It’s bizarre.

  34. 34.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 23, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    @NotMax: Cool, we need a TBogg unit about something unrelated.

  35. 35.

    Alain the site fixer

    February 23, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    @zhena gogolia: so is LifeLock.

  36. 36.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 5:17 pm

    Possibly Nigel Farage.

  37. 37.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    NEW: Can confirm that the politicians named in the new Manafort Indictment are (likely) Alfred Gusenbauer, Austria's former chancellor, and Romano Prodi, Italy's former prime minister.

    Per: https://t.co/3p1JiLAJDo pic.twitter.com/6RPL99nQvP

    — Pat Dennis (@patdennis) February 23, 2018

  38. 38.

    Mary G

    February 23, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    @eemom: I know! I had written off gun reform as banging my head against the wall. I was wrong to do it, and am I glad I was wrong.

  39. 39.

    Yarrow

    February 23, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I’m sure that photo op in front of the Ecuadorian embassy in London with Rage Furby means nothing. Nothing at all.

  40. 40.

    NotMax

    February 23, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    @Gin & Tonic

    And (dare I say it?) cutting edge.

    ;)

  41. 41.

    Corner Stone

    February 23, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    I don’t vouch for the source but found this linked on Malcolm Nance’s twit feed:
    Australia and UK must combat Chinese and Russian interference says Tory MP

    “Things will soon worsen for the US president: watch this space. The battle to save his presidency will become all-consuming.”

  42. 42.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    @Yarrow: I don’t know. He was pretty friendly about a Russian pipeline, then got put on the board for that company after he was chancellor.

  43. 43.

    Yarrow

    February 23, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    @Mary G: The kids are really amazing. No one told them they couldn’t do anything about the guns, so they went ahead and starting doing things. Just amazing to watch it happen. So inspiring.

  44. 44.

    efgoldman

    February 23, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Busy day! Tick tock, motherfuckers.

    Good to see you back. Didn’t feel right tick tocking on tour behalf

  45. 45.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    @Corner Stone: @Gin & Tonic: @Cheryl Rofer: Mueller is just going to pummel Manafort till he gets what he wants from him. At the rate he’s going, next week he’s going to charge him with filling the courtesy water cup they give you at the movie theater with soda.

  46. 46.

    Mike J

    February 23, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    @Loch in kop: I know you don’t need it, but for others:

    Amazon Customer Service
    1 (888) 280-4331

  47. 47.

    Roger Moore

    February 23, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    @Mary G:
    I wonder how much of the apparent breakthrough on gun control is from the kids being good as the public face of the movement and how much is pent-up anger and frustration at Trump seeing this as a place to act.

  48. 48.

    Yarrow

    February 23, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    @efgoldman: Thanks. Been kind of a busy time for me irl. Also, after a particularly upsetting exchange here I couldn’t comment for awhile. Shortly after that my life got a bit crazy again. Having a hard time keeping up with everything.

  49. 49.

    Fair Economist

    February 23, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    I wonder if Gates’s plea deal includes a no extradition clause. It won’t do him much good to avoid big jail time in the US if he gets shipped off to trial in Ukraine the moment he gets out.

    I’m thinking that if this actually unravels the Russian interference in Ukraine the Ukrainians will be *very* forgiving of anybody who was key to the process, deal or no deal.

  50. 50.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    Love these kids!

    What about the vanguard and fidelity funds that invesg so much in gun manufacturers ? #neveragain

    — David Hogg (@davidhogg111) February 23, 2018

  51. 51.

    trollhattan

    February 23, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    Grab’m by the pussywallet.

  52. 52.

    germy

    February 23, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    I saw Black Panther for a second time. This showing, the theater was packed (a matinee) All ages. Some old women, young kids, middle-aged. Everyone. I enjoyed it even more the second time.

    I am struggling to find the words to express my gratitude at this moment, but I will try. Filmmaking is a team sport. And our team was made up [of] amazing people from all over the world who believed in this story. Deep down we all hoped that people would come to see a film about a fictional country on the continent of Africa, made up of a cast of people of African descent.

    Never in a million years did we imagine that you all would come out this strong. It still humbles me to think that people care enough to spend their money and time watching our film. But to see people of all backgrounds wearing clothing that celebrates their heritage, taking pictures next to our posters with their friends and family, and sometimes dancing in the lobbies of theaters often moved me and my wife to tears.

    For the people who bought out theaters, who posted on social about how lit the film would be, bragged about our awesome cast, picked out outfits to wear, and who stood in line in theaters all over the world, all before even seeing the film…

    To the press who wrote about the film for folks who hadn’t yet seen it, and encouraged audiences to come out…

    And to the young ones, who came out with their parents, with their mentors, and with their friends…

    Thank you for giving our team of filmmakers the greatest gift: The opportunity to share this film, that we poured our hearts and souls into, with you.

    Sincerely,

    Ryan Coogler

    P.S. Wakanda Forever

  53. 53.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 5:25 pm

    @Roger Moore: Rohrbacher is in significant jeopardy.

  54. 54.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 5:26 pm

    @JPL:

    Mueller has filed a superseding indictment against Paul Manafort, new charges connected to secret payments to ex-European politicians https://t.co/scCNvIlIPO pic.twitter.com/9Z9ny4GXMB

    — Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) February 23, 2018

  55. 55.

    WaterGirl

    February 23, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    @Mike J: What is NRATV and what does it have to do with Amazon?

  56. 56.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 23, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    @Fair Economist: Curious what you believe there is left to “unravel”. It’s all been as plain as the nose on your face.

  57. 57.

    Mary G

    February 23, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    The kids are all right:

    I am working with the Attorney General of FL and a few of my fellow classmates to formulate a “see something, say something” app. It will be monitored 24/7 by law enforcement.— Jaclyn Corin (@JaclynCorin) February 23, 2018

    It might be a small step, but we are moving in the right direction. Apps like this have been successful in other states, as utilizing social media to prevent gun violence/suicide/other threats is incredibly beneficial for this generation.— Jaclyn Corin (@JaclynCorin) February 23, 2018

    While I seriously doubt that Pam Bondi and Rick Scott will actually cooperate, I believe in throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks.

  58. 58.

    Fair Economist

    February 23, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Nigel is definitely in on this conspiracy, but he wasn’t a former politician at the time, so I don’t think Mueller was referring to him.

    Also, I think Nigel was already in on this and not recruited by Manafort.

  59. 59.

    Mary G

    February 23, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    @Roger Moore: Porque no los dos? (Somebody needs to explain to me how to get special marks on letters in comments, if you would be so kind.)

    @Yarrow: Happy to see you here again.

  60. 60.

    JGabriel

    February 23, 2018 at 5:32 pm

    FedEx has a discount program with the NRA.

    Think about that for a moment.

    For when you absolutely, positively, need an AR-15 overnight?

    Jeepers.

  61. 61.

    Fair Economist

    February 23, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: There is limited solid proof of Russian involvement, and they don’t have many names. The game becomes very different if Mueller can show financial payments going back and forth for this. Plus, once they have names, they can subpoena other records from those participating, which will reveal other people involved, and, most likely, the networks driving interference in other Western politics.

  62. 62.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    We’re starting to see overlap with politicians shilling for Kazakhstan’s Nursultan Nazarbayev.

    Others who helped Gusenbauer and Prodi shill for Kazakhstan’s dictator:

    – Tony Blair
    – Gerhard Schröder
    – Aleksander Kwaniewski
    – Otto Schily pic.twitter.com/zK2Una6EL4

    — Casey Michel (@cjcmichel) February 23, 2018

  63. 63.

    Brachiator

    February 23, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    @germy:

    I saw Black Panther for a second time. This showing, the theater was packed (a matinee) All ages. Some old women, young kids, middle-aged. Everyone. I enjoyed even more the second time.

    Loved Coogler’s letter to the fans. The movie has crossed the $500 million mark. Attendance by women has been strong. I’m a guy and I love Shuri. Her smarts and her relationship with her brother. All the other women are great and are the heart of the movie, not just window dressing.

    I also liked this from a recent Forbes article.

    Here’s a crazy fun question: After Lin Shaye’s Insidious: The Last Key, Dakota Johnson’s Fifty Shades Freed and Chadwick Boseman’s Black Panther, when exactly will 2018 see its first really big hit (Maze Runner: The Death Cure is a solid line drive straight down center field) starring a white guy?

    Because up next are Annihilation, Jennifer Lawrence’s Red Sparrow, Storm Reid’s A Wrinkle in Time, Alicia Vikander’s Tomb Raider, John Boyega’s Pacific Rim: Uprising and then, finally, on March 29, Steven Spielberg’s Tye Sheridan-fronted Ready Player One. If that stumbles, and I’m not saying it will, it’ll be followed by Dwayne Johnson’s Rampage and thus we’ll have to wait until summer’s Avengers: Infinity War to get a conventional white dude-fronted blockbuster.

    Wakanda Forever!

  64. 64.

    JPL

    February 23, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Shouldn’t we wait until the NYTimes tells us what all this means?

  65. 65.

    Kay

    February 23, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    The second part of the indictment is interesting on a whole other level. Because what were these two doing, really?

    They were interfering in another country on behalf of one political leader and not another.

    If anyone would know how to coordinate between the Trump campaign and another country- say Russia- it would be these two. They make their living at it.

  66. 66.

    Corner Stone

    February 23, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    If this story about RU mercs attacking US troops on acknowledgement from the Kremlin…and Trump does nothing?

  67. 67.

    JGabriel

    February 23, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    @Fair Economist:

    Also, I think Nigel was already in on this and not recruited by Manafort.

    I’m not sure who would have recruited Farrage, but I’m pretty sure whoever it was spells their name in Cyrillic.

  68. 68.

    germy

    February 23, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    A Trump-appointed federal judge who donated to the Trump campaign and worked on his presidential transition team has rejected requests to recuse himself from overseeing a legal battle involving Fusion GPS, ABC News reports. https://t.co/gSPsVxJ4vd

    — Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) February 23, 2018

  69. 69.

    m.j.

    February 23, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    On the drive home today I heard a local radio station (105.7) advertising a gunshow. I feel like emailing the station to tell them I’m deleting them from my presets, but it seems like such a meaningless thing to do.

  70. 70.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    @Fair Economist: @Gin & Tonic: The Ukrainians do not have the death penalty. I’ve long been of the opinion that they would make an exception, if they could, for Manafort and his minions like Gates.

  71. 71.

    JPL

    February 23, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    @Corner Stone: Pretty sure he said they were helpful today.

  72. 72.

    smintheus

    February 23, 2018 at 5:41 pm

    A FedEx truck driver threatened to smash into me last fall, the company made clear that it was my problem and they weren’t going to do anything about it. I bet they thought I should have been carrying.

    FedEx is rotten top to bottom; don’t do business with them.

  73. 73.

    eemom

    February 23, 2018 at 5:41 pm

    @NotMax:
    @Gin & Tonic:

    I think uncircumcised ones are kind of gross. Discuss.

  74. 74.

    Betty Cracker

    February 23, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    @Mary G: I’ve been wicked busy today, so this may have been covered elsewhere, but Scott proposed some serious reforms today, including raising the legal age to purchase long guns to 21 and taking guns away from people involved in domestic violence incidents. Scott also explicitly rejected Trump’s idiotic armed teachers idea. Now, these reforms don’t go nearly far enough, and some of the stuff he proposed is nonsense, IMO. But it’s a start and a damn sight better than letting Florida’s own special NRA ghoul, Marion Hammer, literally write legislation.

  75. 75.

    patrick II

    February 23, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    @Fair Economist:
    Didn’t Farage come to some Trump campaign event? At the time it was said to be at Bannon’s invitation.
    I think Bannon may be the cagiest of this group, I think he may be the only one who made any attempt to keep his hands clean. But he had to know what was going on.

  76. 76.

    Bobby Thomson

    February 23, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: it would be gravy if this wound up taking down Bush’s poodle, too. Rich, delicious gravy.

  77. 77.

    David Perlman

    February 23, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    Cross off Avis and Budget

  78. 78.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 23, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    @Fair Economist: The Ukrainians know what happened to their country and who did it. You can’t apply US District Court standards of “proof” to Donetsk.

  79. 79.

    schrodingers_cat

    February 23, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: What about Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell? How dirty are their hands?

  80. 80.

    Amir Khalid

    February 23, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    @NotMax:
    I was circumcised at seven — not in the traditional way by the Muslim version of a mohel, but by a doctor in the government hospital where my dad worked. It was painful, for sure, but it did me no lasting harm and caused no emotional trauma that I remember. I’ve never heard of any boy or man being traumatised by their circumcision or by the resulting lack of a foreskin.

    Now, mishaps do happen with hospital and traditional circumcisions — one such incident in Malaysia in the 1980s had the family suing the hospital, and wound up being dramatised as a case in an episode of LA Law. But it’s a commonly done, well established procedure that does have some medical benefits. I guess Iceland, having so few Muslim or Jewish people, is not well aware that refusing to have your son circumcised is essentially a dereliction of parental religious duty. I am not convinced that circumcision is harmful enough to boys to deserve banning.

  81. 81.

    Jeffro

    February 23, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Rohrbacher is in significant jeopardy.

    oh YEAH he is!

    Hey Paul Ryan, could we hear a bit more about why you thought Rohrbacher and Trump were the two folks, SPECIFICALLY, you thought “Putin pays”?

  82. 82.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    @JGabriel: That isn’t why they have it. FedEx is the only shipping company where a private individual can ship their firearm directly to the manufacturer or to a Federal Firearm Licensed (FFL) gun store. So, for instance, if you own a high end revolver because you compete in cowboy action competitions and you need to have something repaired, you can use FedEx to ship it directly to the gunsmith or to the manufacturer. Otherwise you have to go to a FFL gun store, pay a transfer fee, then they ship it because the US Postal Service, UPS, DHL, will only ship a firearm between two FFLs – one sending one receiving. When it comes back, you have to pay another transfer fee. What this does is put firearms on the official BATFE monitored books of gun stores that aren’t actually in the gun store’s inventory. This makes the gun store liable. It also means that the actual owner has to redo all the paperwork – Federal Form 4473 again to get their gun back as if they’d just purchased it. And whatever paperwork their state requires.

  83. 83.

    Mike in DC

    February 23, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Trump is fortunate that the attack was repulsed. Might have put him in an impossible position otherwise.

  84. 84.

    Duane

    February 23, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    I heard drumpf at CPAC lying about gun free zones. Watch the useless media let him go unchallenged. How sad for our country the gun humpers have to be told not to bring your damned gun into a school.

  85. 85.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 23, 2018 at 5:46 pm

    @eemom:

    Discuss.

    No, thanks.

  86. 86.

    JPL

    February 23, 2018 at 5:46 pm

    @JPL: Whoops.. He said Russia was not helpful in Syria today.

  87. 87.

    Jeffro

    February 23, 2018 at 5:49 pm

    @patrick II: Nickel bet that Bannon is already telling Mueller everything he knows, in exchange for a parking ticket.

  88. 88.

    JPL

    February 23, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    The Washington Post just put this online.

    A top Justice Department official alerted the White House two weeks ago that significant information requiring additional investigation would further delay the security clearance process of senior adviser Jared Kushner, according to three people familiar with the discussion.
    The Feb. 9 phone call from Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein to White House Counsel Donald McGahn came amid growing public scrutiny of a number of administration officials without final security clearances. Most prominent among them is Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, who has had access to some of the nation’s most sensitive material for the last year while waiting for his background investigation to be completed.

    This probably won’t even be a blip on MSM, because ………….
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-justice-dept-official-alerted-white-house-2-weeks-ago-to-ongoing-issues-in-kushners-security-clearance/2018/02/23/aa9b37c8-17f4-11e8-92c9-376b4fe57ff7_story.html?utm_term=.68137eeb359b

  89. 89.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 23, 2018 at 5:53 pm

    @Duane:

    I heard drumpf at CPAC

    Why?

  90. 90.

    geg6

    February 23, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Good to see you back. And when life comes at ya, we’ll have your back.

  91. 91.

    GregB

    February 23, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    @patrick II:

    Farage was also an intermediary with Julian A**ange.

  92. 92.

    Gravenstone

    February 23, 2018 at 5:55 pm

    @JGabriel: Technically, ‘you’ can’t get the AR-15 overnight. It has to go to your licensed gun dealer, first.

  93. 93.

    schrodingers_cat

    February 23, 2018 at 5:55 pm

    @JPL: They have let all his lies about family reunification and diversity lottery green cards go unchallenged. When it is all there on the fucking USCIS website.

  94. 94.

    Yarrow

    February 23, 2018 at 5:55 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Ugh. Tony Blair and his earnest smarm make me ill.

  95. 95.

    Kay

    February 23, 2018 at 5:55 pm

    The NRA school “hardening” plan:

    According to the task force report, schools should be designed with an eye toward 1970s-era post-riots urban architecture. Windows, if allowed at all, should be designed solely with surveillance in mind. They should be only large enough to peep out of to assess ongoing threats. “Design windows, framing, and anchoring systems to minimize the effects of explosive blasts, gunfire, and forced entry,” the report urges.

    You have to get rid of trees, windows, and also parking, unless the parking lot is patrolled by an armed guard. You also have to put up a giant forbidding fence- probably more to keep kids IN these grim horrible schools they envision than to keep shooters out.

    These people are insane and shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a school. Run, children. Flee the from the NRA loonies before they take the trees and windows and put you in prison.

    School commander [e.g., Principal, Vice-principal];

  96. 96.

    Yarrow

    February 23, 2018 at 5:57 pm

    @patrick II: Pence made the best effort at keeping his hands clean. His name is somehow not on transition emails despite heading up the transition team. I imagine Mueller’s continuing indictments of Manafort are making Pence nervous.

  97. 97.

    schrodingers_cat

    February 23, 2018 at 5:57 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Fedex CEO is a hero in RW circles. From his utterances seems more the Randian kind than the theocratic kind of R.

  98. 98.

    Baud

    February 23, 2018 at 5:57 pm

    @Kay: Needs a moat for maximum FREEDOM.

  99. 99.

    schrodingers_cat

    February 23, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    @Kay: They want a prison.

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    r€nato

    February 23, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Romano Prodi is a piece of shit, not surprised to see he was bought off to represent Russian interests. In fact, he was a longtime professor at the University of Bologna, a very very red institution in a city and a region that traditionally has been very red – and I don’t mean ‘conservative red’. (He is also the only Italian politician who ever defeated Berlusconi in an election.)

    Read up on the Aldo Moro case and his role in it, if you care that is. Your jaw will almost literally hit the floor at the excuse he gave for how he came to know of a tip regarding Moro’s whereabouts.

    TL;DR: Prodi either had connections with the Red Brigades kidnappers, or was barely one degree removed from them.

  101. 101.

    schrodingers_cat

    February 23, 2018 at 5:59 pm

    @Baud: With crocodiles?

  102. 102.

    Baud

    February 23, 2018 at 6:01 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Armed Crocs.

  103. 103.

    Corner Stone

    February 23, 2018 at 6:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: “When I take the towel off this jar, take a good look at what is floating inside the liquid. It’s your balls.”

  104. 104.

    Amir Khalid

    February 23, 2018 at 6:04 pm

    @Kay:
    Dear God. They wnt to turn schools into bunkers. What would it do to kids, to spend half their waking hours in a freaking bunker?

  105. 105.

    Betty Cracker

    February 23, 2018 at 6:04 pm

    @Kay: Holy shit, that’s awful.

  106. 106.

    geg6

    February 23, 2018 at 6:05 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Oh well. At least he doesn’t have a probe shoved up his ass and be forced to listen to a lecture about what you’ve already thought long and hard about doing to YOUR OWN FUCKING BODY!

    So sick of these snowflake ammosexuals. Sorry for shouting at you.

  107. 107.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 6:06 pm

    @JPL: Sure, sure.

  108. 108.

    Ruckus

    February 23, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Had my tonsils out when I was 7 and my hospital roommate was a 7 yr old having a circumcision. He was all hyped on on the concept the night before. We both woke up about the same time after and he was no more delighted with his surgery than I was. Which was to say, not at all. By the time the either had totally worn off he was one hurting dude. At least I got ice cream.

  109. 109.

    trollhattan

    February 23, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    @Kay:
    I found an early copy of the NRA 21st century hardened school plans here. They may have flipped the 2 and the 1 at some point.

  110. 110.

    Jeffro

    February 23, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    @Kay: This is the thing that – unlike actually arming teachers – I was afraid of. Because it sounds so reasonable to people, and acceptable to public school parents. When it shouldn’t be. When it should be rejected on its face.

    Fortunately, I know that things are proceeding quickly and this criminal maladministration will soon be over, before the first school can be “hardened”. But this bad idea might live on if we don’t fight it just like we fight the NRA.

  111. 111.

    Jeffro

    February 23, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: @Baud: What happened to sharks with laser beams?!?

  112. 112.

    Yarrow

    February 23, 2018 at 6:10 pm

    @Duane:

    I heard drumpf at CPAC lying about gun free zones.

    Isn’t CPAC a gun-free zone? The NRA convention, also a gun-free zone. How about Congress, also a gun-free zone.
    Why do they all need their places to be gun-free zones if guns are so great. Are they afraid of guns? Maybe the kids will get on this hypocrisy.

  113. 113.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 6:10 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I do not know. I have suspicions and expect those suspicions will be borne out.

  114. 114.

    GregB

    February 23, 2018 at 6:10 pm

    Trump is a globalist but with the international criminal underworld

  115. 115.

    geg6

    February 23, 2018 at 6:11 pm

    @Jeffro:

    That’s fricking laser beams!

  116. 116.

    Lizzy L

    February 23, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    FedEx has discontinued its relationship with the NRA.

  117. 117.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    @Kay:

    In addition to the experience of the task force members, the following is a partial list of
    officials, schools and organizations that have made important contributions to this
    report by providing access to schools or by sharing their expertise and perspective.

    Michael Dorn,

    Commander Worf was involved. Who knows more about security?

    As someone who has actually consulted on this stuff, they have taken the strangest recommendations possible to achieve a hardened site. There are much, much more pleasant or friendly or less forbidding ways of achieving these goals.

  118. 118.

    Duane

    February 23, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: It was my mistake. I feel better.

  119. 119.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 6:17 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: That I didn’t know.

  120. 120.

    smintheus

    February 23, 2018 at 6:18 pm

    @r€nato: Prodi is also accused of having KGB connections.

  121. 121.

    Frankensteinbeck

    February 23, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    I honestly do not think that the brave, eloquent rebellion teenagers are launching now will directly get us gun control. I don’t see them changing Republican base voters’ minds, and it is those voters the elected Republicans are doing the bidding of. Indirectly is another story. We’ve already got one Hell of a lot of pissed liberals. Throw in a wave of new young voters who watched the Republicans refuse and mock them over their first passionate issue, and maybe we’ll get enough Democrats in power to pass laws. Republicans hold a lot of power right now, but it is balanced precariously. If Democrats can take enough power to overcome Republican obstruction, you will see a LOT of gun control. Here’s hoping.

  122. 122.

    Gravenstone

    February 23, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    @Jeffro: I doubt it would continue to sound reasonable once taxpayers get a gander at the cost for these little fortresses. Hell, entirely too many school systems have trouble even getting operating levies through, let alone paying for one of these abominations.

  123. 123.

    NotMax

    February 23, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    @Amir Khalid

    the Muslim version of a mohel

    Mohala in Arabic, if memory serves.

    Why I should happen to know that I have no idea whatsoever.

  124. 124.

    Jeffro

    February 23, 2018 at 6:22 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I think they (unconsciously?) were trying to send a message to those who would work/attend at such schools, but that’s just my (usually correct) inner conspiracy theorist. Anything to reinforce the authoritarian, “WE’RE UNDER SIEGE!”, fear-based mindset.

  125. 125.

    Jeffro

    February 23, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    @Gravenstone: True…but they’d just roll it into the cost of any new schools being build, and go with whatever modifications they could for existing schools. Stressing all the while that the latter weren’t sufficiently solid enough to repel an armor division…

  126. 126.

    Cheryl Rofer

    February 23, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    NBC News is getting into this. This is good.

    Major funds invested in gun stocks include the Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF, iShares Russell 2000 ETF and Schwab U.S. Broad Market ETF. https://t.co/wlwilh6qe2 via @CNBC

    — NBC News (@NBCNews) February 23, 2018

  127. 127.

    Gravenstone

    February 23, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Suspect it might refer to this Michael Dorn. Cop with experience in school security programs.

  128. 128.

    low-tech cyclist

    February 23, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    @David Perlman:

    Cross off Avis and Budget

    My wife and I almost always rent from Budget when we travel, and I’m glad to hear that they’ve come around. I was ready to lean on them, but now I can send them a message of support.

  129. 129.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    @Ruckus:

    At least I got ice cream.

    Other than the cold helping to reduce swelling, I’m not sure what the clinical application of ice cream post circumcision would be. I also would expect it would be quite messy and increase the risk of post op infection.

  130. 130.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 6:26 pm

    @Gravenstone: Do I have to put sarc tags on everything?

  131. 131.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    February 23, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    @Brachiator:

    it’ll be followed by Dwayne Johnson’s Rampage and thus we’ll have to wait until summer’s Avengers: Infinity War to get a conventional white dude-fronted blockbuster.

    Don’t forget Bruce Willis. While waiting for Black Panther to start, we saw a trailer for a remake of Death Wish starring Willis. Really? That’s a movie somebody thought should be remade? This is the time for an ammosexual fantasy movie? This is the “good guy with a gun” all those assholes think they automatically become when they buy their unlicensed assault rifle at the gun show.

    It’s been crystal clear to me since Trayvon Martin that the ammosexual thing is not about wanting to “defend yourself”, it’s a hope that you can kill somebody. No wonder they like open-carry and stand-your-ground laws: they know damned well their chances are improved if they can wander the streets with their toy and look for strangers to kill.

    ETA: Just checked.Death Wish releases March 2.

  132. 132.

    Gravenstone

    February 23, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I’ve had a day, and am busy working my way to a comatose state via carb overload (shrimp scampi over spaghetti, with a splash of arrabiata sauce tossed in for zing). Yes I fell for an obvious troll job.

  133. 133.

    Gravenstone

    February 23, 2018 at 6:38 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: To be fair, Death Wish really isn’t the ‘good guy with a gun’ fantasy. It’s pure revenge porn.

  134. 134.

    NotMax

    February 23, 2018 at 6:38 pm

    @Kay

    The current main library building at one of the colleges I attended was designed and built during the period of 60s student campus unrest with those happenings front and center in mind. The interior is very commodious and attractive. Outside? Imposing, almost forbidding fortress-like stone walls with only narrow, recessed, tinted slit windows – medieval moderne, we used to call it. Not harmonious with the surrounding architecture.

  135. 135.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 6:40 pm

    @Gravenstone: I hope you have a pleasant and relaxing weekend.

  136. 136.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    February 23, 2018 at 6:41 pm

    @Mary G: Trying an experiment here. Is there an accent on this letter: é?

    Yep, it worked. So it looks like you can type in the HTML name for special characters and FYWP will recognize them. Google “html code accents” or something along those lines to get a table like this one.

    In that table you’ll see that the small e with accent has the name “eacute”, with ampersand before and semicolon after. That’s the format for all HTML special characters.

    So for the small e with accent, I typed é

  137. 137.

    NotMax

    February 23, 2018 at 6:44 pm

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Then there’s the ultra-ultra-orthodox practice which carries increased risk of infection/transmission of disease. No ice cream either, otherwise wouldn’t be kosher.

  138. 138.

    NotMax

    February 23, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym

    Sí.

  139. 139.

    Brachiator

    February 23, 2018 at 6:47 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    Don’t forget Bruce Willis. While waiting for Black Panther to start, we saw a trailer for a remake of Death Wish starring Willis. Really? That’s a movie somebody thought should be remade? This is the time for an ammosexual fantasy movie? This is the “good guy with a gun” all those assholes think they automatically become when they buy their unlicensed assault rifle at the gun show.

    Wow. This version had been bouncing around for a while looking for a release date. I guess it found one. I recall the original was a pretty good action film. But it did rile up critics and sensitive souls. From the Wiki.

    Many critics were displeased with the film, considering it an “immoral threat to society” and an encouragement of antisocial behavior. Vincent Canby of the New York Times was one of the most outspoken writers, condemning Death Wish in two extensive articles. Roger Ebert gave the film a positive review, while not agreeing with its philosophy.

    But the Simpsons had the best take on it.

    In the series’ later years, the Death Wish franchise became a subject of parody for its high level of violence and the advancing age of Bronson (a 1995 episode of The Simpsons named “A Star Is Burns” showed a fictional advertisement for Death Wish 9, consisting of a bed-ridden Bronson saying “I wish I was dead”).

    However, the Death Wish franchise remained lucrative, and drew support from fans of exploitation cinema. The series continues to have a widespread following on home video, and is occasionally broadcast on various television stations within the US and in Europe.

    Everything old is new again.

  140. 140.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 23, 2018 at 6:54 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Rohrbacher is in significant jeopardy.

    That makes me so very not sad.

  141. 141.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 23, 2018 at 6:54 pm

    @NotMax: That’s just weird and creepy. I’m still not sure how they came up with that and it definitely should be sent to the ash heap of history.

  142. 142.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 23, 2018 at 7:00 pm

    @Mary G:

    Somebody needs to explain to me how to get special marks on letters in comments, if you would be so kind.

    It depends on the device, I think. I’m commenting from my iPhone, and all you have to do is linger on whatever letter requires a diacritical mark, and you’ll get a pop-up menu and the you just select whichever one you require.

    aàáâäæãåāa

  143. 143.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 23, 2018 at 7:03 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Do I have to put sarc tags on everything?

    Yes. Yes, you do.

  144. 144.

    efgoldman

    February 23, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Having a hard time keeping up with everything.

    Hell, I’m having a hell of a time keeping up, allegedly retired. My FT job is doctors appointments.

  145. 145.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    February 23, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    @Gravenstone: Well the Willis film does seem to be pure revenge. The Bronson film, as I recall started with him riding the subways looking vulnerable so he could shoot people who tried to take his grocery bags.

  146. 146.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 23, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    My way’s easier ?

  147. 147.

    Catherine D.

    February 23, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    @NotMax:

    Regenstein? with the added benefit of glowing in the dark.

  148. 148.

    John Fremont

    February 23, 2018 at 7:12 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Tick tock, motherfuckers

    I’m a lurker, but I love reading this!

  149. 149.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 23, 2018 at 7:17 pm

    @m.j.:

    On the drive home today I heard a local radio station (105.7) advertising a gunshow. I feel like emailing the station to tell them I’m deleting them from my presets, but it seems like such a meaningless thing to do.

    Do it. It’s not meaningless. There’s a multiplier effect. Don’t know/remember the numbers, but it’s something like every person who answers a survey represents 4x or 5x who don’t bother to respond. It’s much higher for people like you who actually take the time to call, write, or email — more on the order of 9x or more.

  150. 150.

    M. Bouffant

    February 23, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    @JGabriel: Former Kinkos/FedExOffice wage-slave here. Fred Smith, the C.E.O./founder is a glibertarian fuckstick, crook & shitty driver.

    On January 31, 1975, Fred Smith was indicted for forgery by a federal grand jury. The suit was filed by Smith’s two half-sisters. The lawsuit alleged Smith had forged documents to obtain a $2 million bank loan and he and executives of his family’s trust fund had sold stock from the fund for a loss of $14 million. A warrant for Smith’s arrest was issued for which Smith posted bond with federal authorities in Memphis. Smith was later found not guilty on the forgery charge.

    The same evening of his forgery indictment Smith was involved in a fatal hit and run in which he killed a 54-year-old handyman named George C. Sturghill. Smith was arrested and charged with leaving the scene of an accident and driving with an expired license. He was released on a $250 bond. All charges were later dismissed.

    This was not the first time Smith was involved in a fatal car accident. During his first summer break from Yale, Smith was back in Memphis driving out to a lake with friends when he lost control of the car he was driving, causing the vehicle to flip and killing the passenger in the front seat. The cause of the accident was never determined.

  151. 151.

    SiubhanDuinnei

    February 23, 2018 at 7:25 pm

    fywp

  152. 152.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 23, 2018 at 7:31 pm

    @John Fremont:

    Tick tock, motherfuckers

    I’m a lurker, but I love reading this!

    It never, ever, EVER gets old.

  153. 153.

    Princess Leia

    February 23, 2018 at 7:51 pm

    Just called Fed-Ex to put a block on my address so that no Fed-Ex packages can be delivered here. Makes me happier than it should!!!!

  154. 154.

    laura

    February 23, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    @Amir Khalid: condition them for prison.
    Fun fact, the percentage of school children in third grade who are deficient in reading is a factor in determining the amount of prison space to adequately house inmates.

  155. 155.

    Miss Bianca

    February 23, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    @Betty Cracker: It’s a start, Betty, you’re right. And it’s a start with Gov. Bat Boy! Whocouldknode he’d end up in the gun legislation vanguard!

  156. 156.

    Miss Bianca

    February 23, 2018 at 8:12 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Adam! What would be the point of a pleasant, inviting “hardened” school site? THe message is: BE AFRAID! Not only of random crazed gunmen, but your classmates and your teachers, too! Why not – they’ll all be packing!

    btw, is anyone but me seeing something nauseously phallic about the phrase “hardened”? Every time I see it I think of Wayne LaPierre in a ragegasm, and *that*, dear readers, is a truly revolting thought.

  157. 157.

    Ruckus

    February 23, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Maybe that’s why he didn’t get any.

  158. 158.

    m.j.

    February 23, 2018 at 11:21 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Okay, I sent a missive and got a reply.

    The gunshow, while bad timing, was booked on our air a long time ago and they operate legally according to all laws in place. We can’t refuse them based on personal reasons.
    However we did discuss this show internally on Friday and I will add your objection to our internal review on Monday.
    I personally think the timing is difficult but I must operate legally and in this case they did not willingly cancel their ad schedule.
    I apologize that we did not live up to your expectations and I appreciat you taking the time to write.

    I could reply and complain about deaths that occurred long before the booking or the cowardice of hiding behind, “legality,” but I think the point has been made.
    It’s just that I can’t get over the feeling that I was the only one to do this.

  159. 159.

    JGabriel

    February 24, 2018 at 8:42 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That isn’t why they have it. FedEx is the only shipping company where a private individual can ship their firearm directly to the manufacturer or to a Federal Firearm Licensed (FFL) gun store.

    Interesting. Thanks for filling me/us in about that, Adam.

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