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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Decline and Fall

Decline and Fall

by Betty Cracker|  July 27, 20192:34 pm| 256 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Post-racial America, Republican Stupidity, Assholes, Decline and Fall, General Stupidity, Go Fuck Yourself

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CNN correspondent and Charm City native Victor Blackwell gives a powerful response to Trump’s racist tweets this morning about Baltimore:

Drop everything you're doing and watch this….

cc: @VictorBlackwell pic.twitter.com/N9ZWttHSzd

— Yashar Ali ? (@yashar) July 27, 2019

The pain in Blackwell’s voice and the tears in his eyes as he pauses to collect himself before he can continue break my heart. Ditto the hurt and bewilderment I heard the other day in the voice of a friend — a naturalized citizen — who talked about how our racist president and the MAGA horde make her wonder if she really belongs here after all.

Trump has committed so many crimes, bulldozed countless traditions, destroyed the country’s reputation in large and small ways and corrupted our institutions in staggering fashion. But the pain Trump so wantonly and routinely inflicts on decent, ordinary people is the worst offense of all.

It’s going to get worse. This is how Trump thinks he’ll win, by dividing America further and riling up the racists, sexists and xenophobes. I’m not sure if it’s a conscious strategy or if Trump is simply addicted to public gloating and self-aggrandizement in front of simple-minded dopes who mindlessly contort their faces with hate and bray slogans at whichever enemy Trump identifies that day, while he nods smugly and basks in the ugly glow like a “racist iguana,” as Mr. Colbert put it.

If this country is as decent as it imagines itself to be, it will find a way to not only repudiate Trump in unmistakable terms but also to compel his followers to slither back under the rocks from whence they came. I honestly don’t know if we have it in us, but one thing’s for certain: a decline and fall is coming — theirs or ours. Let’s make it theirs.

PS: Here’s Cummings’ response to Trump’s racist attack:

Mr. President, I go home to my district daily. Each morning, I wake up, and I go and fight for my neighbors.

It is my constitutional duty to conduct oversight of the Executive Branch. But, it is my moral duty to fight for my constituents.

— Elijah E. Cummings (@RepCummings) July 27, 2019

And here’s a great response from Maryland’s US Senator Chris Van Hollen:

Elijah Cummings grew up facing racist bullies like Trump and learned to confront them with qualities unknown to Trump: courage and integrity. The great people of Baltimore have something Trump craves but will never have as he degrades the Office of the President: dignity.

— Chris Van Hollen (@ChrisVanHollen) July 27, 2019

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 2:38 pm

    a decline and fall is coming — theirs or ours. Let’s make it theirs.

    Truth.

  2. 2.

    RandomMonster

    July 27, 2019 at 2:43 pm

    I’m a relatively new resident of Baltimore and utterly disgusted by Trump’s racist attack.

  3. 3.

    A Ghost To Most

    July 27, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    As always, T is a symptom. His base is the disease.

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    July 27, 2019 at 2:46 pm

    Deep in the White House, there’s a sign reading “xxx days without a racist Tweet.”. Today, some staffer sighed and reset the number back to zero.

    (There’s only one digit in the flip down set of numbers. It was cheaper, and being able to increment beyond 9 seemed unnecessary)

  5. 5.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    July 27, 2019 at 2:49 pm

    @dmsilev:

    I don’t think they even need to bother with the flip cards. They can just paint “0” and be done with it.

  6. 6.

    tobie

    July 27, 2019 at 2:50 pm

    I think he wants an all out race war at this point. Going after immigrants wasn’t enough for his rabid base so he’s upping the ante. I can’t believe what we’re witnessing. The raw pain but also dignity shown by Victor Blackwell should move everyone. Otherwise they’re not human.

  7. 7.

    Chetan Murthy

    July 27, 2019 at 2:50 pm

    @Baud:

    a decline and fall is coming — theirs or ours. Let’s make it theirs.

    One way or another, they’re going to fall. Whether because we win, or because a civil war tears this country apart (resulting in mass casualties, hunger, disease, and a catastrophe heretofore only seen in places like Syria). But they’re not going to win.

  8. 8.

    Ruckus

    July 27, 2019 at 2:52 pm

    @dmsilev:
    Is that because trump can’t count?
    I know he can’t count because he has never been able to understand the difference between losing millions left to him by his father and billions that don’t exist.

  9. 9.

    TaMara (HFG)

    July 27, 2019 at 2:56 pm

    I’m so tired of this racist fuck.

  10. 10.

    Ella in New Mexico

    July 27, 2019 at 2:58 pm

    This is how Trump thinks he’ll win, by dividing America further and riling up the racists, sexists and xenophobes. I’m not sure if it’s a conscious strategy or if Trump is simply addicted to public gloating and self-aggrandizement in front of simple-minded dopes who mindlessly contort their faces with hate and bray slogans at whichever enemy Trump identifies that day

    Oh, it’s a conscious strategy all right.

    He hasn’t gained any new constituencies since 2016 and in fact is losing lots of folks who weren’t full-on racists, sexists and xenophobes, just idiots. He’s seen the polling showing that the razor thin margins that flipped the swing states he won in last time are now eroding, so his best bet is to make sure every single one of his previous voters gets out and does it again.

    Yanking as hard as he can on their fear and hate choker chains –fully coordinating his message with Fox and OANN and RW talk radio–is gonna be his go-to campaign strategy in the upcoming months.

    It’s also gonna serve the dual purpose of keeping folks distracted in regards to all the really bad news that’s gonna hit the fan over the same time.

  11. 11.

    donnah

    July 27, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    After all of this time, I figured I was getting immune to Trump’s constant racism in all of its various forms. But I watched that video with tears in my eyes. Any steps we have made as a nation toward understanding and progress feel like they were on sand, and Trump and the Republicans are relentless waves, washing them away.

    I know that Trump’s a racist, and I know that Stephen Miller, that talking turd who whispers into Trump’s ear, is even more racist. And we can see that the nation’s worst, most hateful people ARE FINE WITH IT. That is probably what sickens me the most: Trump and racism are not only tolerable, but acceptable.

  12. 12.

    Harbison

    July 27, 2019 at 3:10 pm

    Trump does something offensive.

    Democrats spend a week bitching about it.

    Repeat.

    Perhaps not the best strategery for Democrats.

  13. 13.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    July 27, 2019 at 3:10 pm

    First, I hope Scotian is having a good day. I’m also glad to hear the Immp is in good spirits and hope that Immanetize can get some rest (and pet the Immp as much as is soothing to the dad; the youth get over that kind of stuff quickly I’m told).

    Happy Saturday to all. I need to get back to work shortly.

    @TaMara (HFG):

    I’m so tired of this racist fuck.

    Word. My reflexive response to reading about him is

    Just shoot me

    which I recognize may be an overreaction.

    Can I come visit Pearl and her crew instead?

    As for Agent Orange, the cruelty is the point – he enjoys it. And much of his base like that he hates the same people they hate. It’s discouraging to the point of being exhausting, hence my reflexive response.

  14. 14.

    MattF

    July 27, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    Happy to note that Van Hollen was my representative before he got elected senator.

    And about Trump— I’m persuaded that he simply has a very limited behavioral repertoire. And it gets more limited as he sinks into dementia.

  15. 15.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 27, 2019 at 3:19 pm

    Democrats do anything.

    Harbison bitches about it on a Democratic Top 10000 blog and makes a fool of himself.

    Repeat.

    Perhaps not the best strategery for Harbison.

  16. 16.

    Taobhan

    July 27, 2019 at 3:19 pm

    I’m confident that the framers of the constitution didn’t anticipate a chief executive as wildly extreme as Trump is. I suspect they had enough faith in the American people to not choose a president as cruel, ignorant, corruptible, incompetent and contemptible as he is. If they had, they may have written a constitution with clearer restraints on executive power.

    Over the years, the US Congress has ceded more of its power to the chief executive and now we’re paying the price for that dereliction of duty. I believe that the members of Congress surrendering power to the president didn’t foresee Trump either. Now we have to wrestle with him and his enablers in Congress, the media and the public as we try to preserve what remains of the principles laid out by the framers in forming a government for the newly independent nation. Constraints that previous presidents honored before Trump were uncodified traditions and Trump trashed all those on Day 1. He feels free to do as he pleases. Now we, the people, have few tools left to rein in a man like him.

    We have to rely first on the House of Representatives with its power of impeachment but the House seems reluctant to use it. Speaker Pelosi voiced a preference for letting the voters decide on Trump’s fitness in the 2020 election. So it looks as though it’s going to come down to that election, with Republican thumbs heavy on the electoral scale, as possibly the last chance to save the nation our founders intended it to be. It’s going to be quite a challenge with the roadblocks Republicans have thrown in front of us. God, I hope we are up to the task with so much at stake!

  17. 17.

    ThresherK

    July 27, 2019 at 3:22 pm

    Michael (GOP Black Guy) Steele ran for Senate from MD. What does he say on this?

    *crickets*

  18. 18.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 27, 2019 at 3:22 pm

    Yeah. These videos just make me sad, especially given that it really does reveal how awful a good portion of the country is. My in-laws are people of great accomplishment and are kind… to us. But they cheer this stuff on and have told us about how Trump is protecting America from the brown people and gangsters constantly coming across the border.

    And that’s just something we can repeat, because I keep running into relatives and longtime associates that I had assumed were fundamentally decent, and they keep showing me they’re not.

  19. 19.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 27, 2019 at 3:25 pm

    @Harbison: You would be right if that was all that Democrats are doing. As usual you are wrong, so I will again cordially invite you to fuck off.

  20. 20.

    MattF

    July 27, 2019 at 3:27 pm

    @ThresherK: Um, not true.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelSteele/status/1155178335057657857

  21. 21.

    Betty Cracker

    July 27, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    @Harbison: Your comment is factually incorrect since Democrats are doing lots of things in addition to calling out Trump’s racism, and if you think denouncing a president’s racism isn’t a worthwhile exercise all by itself, you’re wrong about that too.

  22. 22.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 27, 2019 at 3:33 pm

    @Taobhan: The Constitution was written to have an executive with limited powers. And as far as impeachment goes, did you pay any attention to the news yesterday?

  23. 23.

    smintheus

    July 27, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    Trump’s the same guy who refused to install sprinklers in parts of Trump Tower, where a resident died in a fire last year because there was also no working smoke alarm. Six firefighters were injured in the blaze. Trump did not go to jail for the crime, or apologize for his negligence. I don’t think he actually cares about any of his own neighbors’ safety, much less the people of Baltimore.

  24. 24.

    Harbison

    July 27, 2019 at 3:36 pm

    Everybody know that the best way to win in politics is to always be reacting to the terms of the debate the other side sets.

    FLAWLESS VICTORY!!!

  25. 25.

    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 3:36 pm

    So, I live in a community that looks very different from Baltimore. We have a lot of diversity, but it’s different – not many black residents, or even many latino residents, but a lot of asian – Chinese and Korean, Persian, Russian/Ukranian, Indian, Pakistani, etc. It’s interesting. We’re known for having very little crime here. There have been 3 murders in the last 5ish years. Two were committed by Christopher Dorner – a former LAPD officer – in an act of revenge against another LAPD chief (killed the chiefs daughter and her boyfriend). The other was about a mile from my office where a white supremacist killed a gay college student.

    But there’s entire other categories of crimes that happen here that are MUCH broader in scope. The Lincoln Savings S&L scandal originated here. A good case can be made that the subprime mortgage scandal originated here. We have a lot more crime than we are willing to recognize, but it’s white males in nice suits that are fucking over millions of peoples retirement accounts, not a drug deal going down on the corner that might affect 4 people. But it’s still crime, it still does immense harm, but y’know, it’s all good. Give them a fine, make them promise to not do it again. They’re job creators after all.

  26. 26.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 3:36 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Obviously, since the Speaker hasn’t gone to the White House and bludgeoned Trump to death with the House mace, Democrats have done NOTHING.

  27. 27.

    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 3:40 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Let me just say, if she does that, count me in to be part of the human shield that protects her from law enforcement. I will superglue myself to whatever government edifice is necessary.

  28. 28.

    Ella in New Mexico

    July 27, 2019 at 3:41 pm

    @ThresherK:

    Michael (GOP Black Guy) Steele ran for Senate from MD. What does he say on this?

    *crickets*

    Actually, Michael Steele has been a sane voice and a staunch critic of Trump from early on.

    EDIT: @MattF: just saw that on Twitter and it’s an example of above

  29. 29.

    Ruckus

    July 27, 2019 at 3:41 pm

    @donnah:
    This is not an American issue.
    Racism is a human issue. It is everywhere humans live. It always has been, except in some small isolated cultures. People don’t all look alike, we vary wildly in minor ways that mean nothing but are obvious if you are looking for them. Racism has to be overcome one racist mind at a time. It has been at various times the shape of the nose, or the color of the hair, or the color of the skin or religion, anything that is in some way different. In some cultures the degree of blackness has been an issue. But most of the things that were issues, like the shape of a nose, have gone by the wayside. It’s the difference that is important, it allows one group to blame someone, anyone for the issues that involve us all. Hate is an emotion that we all share but it doesn’t have to be the one at the front of all the others. But it is harder to change that hate than most any other emotions. Hate miss-explains our minor physical differences. It’s a crutch, it’s for protection when it’s required, but racist hate is a false hate, it’s based upon learned culture, not on any actual issue. And to learn to not have hate as your only and first line response to cultural, learned triggers, those triggers have to be unlearned, not reenforced. Removing those triggers, like statues to racists/slave owners is vital. Or triggers like faux news, white news readers who reenforce the concept of racism and wealth for the chosen ones. Or segregation. Or……

  30. 30.

    Betty Cracker

    July 27, 2019 at 3:45 pm

    @Harbison: You’ve got all the answers, so kindly explain why it’s a strategic error to respond to a racist rant from the president and elaborate on how ignoring such tirades improves things.

  31. 31.

    ThresherK

    July 27, 2019 at 3:46 pm

    @MattF: Wow. I am surprised I got that wrong about him. I stand corrected.

    I wonder if this will make him burn some bridges with the Never Trump crowd who are trying to figure out exactly how much racism they need to accept.

  32. 32.

    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 3:46 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I should also add, that’s a terrible strategy because we need her in the line of succession. It goes to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate which is thankfully Grassley and not McConnell, but still. I think it should be Clyburn, not only because if anyone beats the President to death it deserves to be a person of color, but he’s the majority whip, and so it’s kinda in his title. I’d prefer a scene such as the end of High Plains Drifter rather than using the Mace, but I’m flexible on that. I’m still down to be part of the human shield, of course, Clyburn is wonderful.

  33. 33.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 27, 2019 at 3:49 pm

    @donnah: The racists and fascists (yeah, a lot of overlap there) want you to feel overwhelmed. They want you to feel like they are unstoppable and there is nothing you can do. You have a choice; you can do what they want you to do or not.

  34. 34.

    Suzanne

    July 27, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    brown people and gangsters constantly coming across the border

    The thing that just kills me about this…. a majority of the people who actually live near the border aren’t freaking out. Seven of the eight Congressional districts on the border elected Dems, and the eighth elected Will Hurd, who hasn’t been a nutcase on this issue. LA, San Diego, Tucson, Phoenix, El Paso…. those cities are basically held up by the labor of immigrants from Mexico, documented or otherwise. It’s all these losers in the exurbs and the shithole parts of the country (intentional) who are freaking out. But those of us who actually live and work with significant populations of recent border crossers are more okay.

  35. 35.

    Ruckus

    July 27, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    @Taobhan:

    I believe that the members of Congress surrendering power to the president didn’t foresee Trump either.

    Of course it’s possible that they did foresee a trumpian candidate, one who not only hated the same things they did but was willing to say it out loud. Was willing to rile up that 27-40% of the population that just “knows” that racism and theft will solve all the worlds problems.
    Think about it this way, is it the house or senate that is controlled by republicans? Is it the house or senate that is doing absolutely nothing against trump?
    And yes that abdication of power has both strengthened the racist’s hand and tied the hands of the 60% who are not rabid supporters of that racism.

  36. 36.

    Mart

    July 27, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    @Taobhan:

    If they had, they may have written a constitution with clearer restraints on executive power.

    And then the SC rules he can steal $2.5B from the Congressionally allocated Pentagon budget to build his stupid fucking wall…

  37. 37.

    Jager

    July 27, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    A note from the Elitest, coastal, immigrant infested state of California.

    We sold our old house, while we’re waiting to move into the new (smaller) house, we are camping out at Extended Stay America. Wandering around the parking lot with Anze the Dog. Here’s what I see, 8 4 door pickups from a construction outfit in Texas, 32 employees staying here. 4 trucks from a construction company in Iowa, 12 workers staying here. 24 workers from a Texas Environmental Testing and cleanup company, staying here. A crew from an electrical engineering company from Tampa doing a project here in SoCal. A guy from Aldi supermarkets scouting new locations, etc, etc, etc. I talked with a computer programmer from Georgia, going to work for a sports TV production company here, happy as hell to get out of Georgia. Gee, I wonder why all those red-state companies and workers are coming to this American hell hole to work?

  38. 38.

    feebog

    July 27, 2019 at 3:53 pm

    This not some random attack on another minority congressman. Cummings just issued subpoenas for emails from Kushner and Ivanka Trump. They have been using private email accounts for official business and failing to retain them in accord with the Presidential Records Act. That’s what this is about.

  39. 39.

    Yellowdog

    July 27, 2019 at 3:53 pm

    @MattF: I’m in the same district; you must live near me. I love South of Olney. I wonder why Cardin hasn’t said anything.

  40. 40.

    joel hanes

    July 27, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    @Harbison:

    So what is “the best strategy for Democrats”, in your estimation ?

  41. 41.

    Betty Cracker

    July 27, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    @feebog: It is known. Also, Fox News ran a segment on urban blight in Baltimore and contrasted it with bright, happy, clean concentration camps at the border, which wound the shitgibbon up.

  42. 42.

    MattF

    July 27, 2019 at 4:01 pm

    @Yellowdog: Sounds like you’re at the north end of the district. I’m about a block from the Bethesda Metro station. Sounds ritzy, I know— I bought in just before condo prices started going up.

  43. 43.

    Belafon

    July 27, 2019 at 4:03 pm

    @Harbison:

    Trump says something offensive.

    Democrats ignore it.

    The people he’s targeting feel like they are being ignore.

  44. 44.

    Mart

    July 27, 2019 at 4:04 pm

    @Jager: Gee, I wonder why all those red-state companies and workers are coming to this American hell hole to work?

    I think you are witnessing folks who work for third party contractors trying to sleep within their daily expense account limit. Factories used to have large maintenance staffs to replace large motors, brick ovens, whatever. Now they outsource to third parties to save money. This is why you see a bunch of large pick up trucks loaded with tools at the Holiday Inn Express in Bumfuck IA, or the Extended Stay in beautiful CA.

  45. 45.

    Another Scott

    July 27, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    @Ruckus:

    This is not an American issue.
    Racism is a human issue. It is everywhere humans live. It always has been, except in some small isolated cultures.

    Yeahbut…

    It was not out-in-the-open the way it is now. And it’s out in the open as a result of a continuing, deliberate policy to “Other” our fellow citizens (and fellow humans) to maintain and increase financial and political power.

    And for that I blame GOP people like Alan Greenspan who let the banksters go wild and blow up the US (and the world) housing market into a huge bubble. And then when it burst, as it inevitably would, I blame people like Rick Santelli and his bosses and colleagues at CNBC and Fox who decided that it was poor people’s fault.

    Santelli’s screed is part of a continuing effort to blame the poor and minority communities for the economic meltdown. There are millions of people who think the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was responsible for bad mortgages, when most of these mortgages were either made by institutions that were not covered by the CRA or were loans that would not have been covered by the Act even if the institution was covered. Of course, the idea that government bureaucrats were forcing banks to make loans that were hugely profitable at the time is laughable on its face.

    At some point Santelli and his followers are going to have to deal with reality. The problem is not poor and moderate-income homeowners or African-Americans or Latinos. The perps in this case where rich bankers, the vast majority of whom were white males.

    Their enablers in policy circles were not the bleeding hearts trying to help the poor, but the Wall Street envoys from both political parties; people like Henry Paulson, Robert Rubin and, of course, Alan Greenspan. The people who sank the economy were the rich and powerful, not the poor and minorities.

    When millions of ordinary people lose or fear for their jobs, lose or fear for their homes, lose or fear for their future, history tells us that they become susceptible to easy RWNJ stories that blame Others.

    Wilmer is wrong that everything is secondary to economics, but he’s right that it has a huge impact on how well society works. Senator Professor Warren (and Dean Baker and others) is right that the middle class has been hollowed out by the people at the top. We have to do more to get the economy working for real people, and we have to fight back against blaming the people at the bottom for America’s problems. Good for everyone who is pushing back. More please.

    And we need to vote with our dollars more. Boycott advertisers that support these toxic platforms, people, and memes and tell them that you’re doing so. Don’t quote the toxic memes – starve them of oxygen.

    [/rant]

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  46. 46.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:08 pm

    The last time Americans ignored widespread white racial backlash, Reconstruction ended and the Jim Crow era began.

  47. 47.

    trollhattan

    July 27, 2019 at 4:09 pm

    @Jager:
    Gavin’s free-weed-and-‘lectric-car program is working!

    Just no Irish.

  48. 48.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 4:10 pm

    Very powerful. I was just reading about this over at Yahoo News. It’s appalling and absurd that Trump would call Cummings a brutal bully.

    I hope David Simon is working up a series of brutal tweets responding to Trump about this.

    Trump clearly wants a war. Hitler insisted Jews were an infestation; Trump is no different. Fuck the people stupid enough to fall for Trump’s shit.

  49. 49.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:11 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Obviously, since the Speaker hasn’t gone to the White House and bludgeoned Trump to death with the House mace, Democrats have done NOTHING.

    Why’d we bother giving her the Speakervs gavel if she’s not going to use it?

  50. 50.

    Another Scott

    July 27, 2019 at 4:13 pm

    @Yellowdog: Twitter:

    Matt Pearce ? Verified account @mattdpearce

    wonder if Larry Hogan is gonna lift his head at some point today

    11:16 AM – 27 Jul 2019

    Hmmm…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  51. 51.

    Ruckus

    July 27, 2019 at 4:14 pm

    @Another Scott:
    We are on the same page.
    I was just explaining about racism, not the political culture that got us here. You’ve covered that well.

  52. 52.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    @Mart:

    Tonight, in this episode of Idiocracy, the role of Mexico will be played by the US’s Military budget.

  53. 53.

    Felanius Kootea

    July 27, 2019 at 4:17 pm

    Hmm. Trump doesn’t see himself as the president of the people of Baltimore. He doesn’t see himself as president of anyone outside his base but still wants the authority to run the entire country.

    Russia and Rupert Murdoch figured out so easily how to gut this country using the racism that already existed and has never been seriously addressed. No army or physical weapons needed.
    Trump’s followers feel more kinship to Russians in Omsk than to their fellow Americans in Baltimore, based on skin color, because they think this tells them everything they need to know about values. Problems that many cities face are rubbed in the faces of minority citizens, no empathy, no desire to make a positive difference on the part of those doing the gloating. A country divided.

    I hope that there are enough people ready to wipe away the tears, fight back and rebuild.

    I believe that in the future, Trump’s descendants will change their last names, just like Manafort’s daughter already has.

  54. 54.

    Kay

    July 27, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    This, right after Jared Kushner’s publicist told the NYTimes Kushner was launching a “we’re not racists” campaign push.

    I suppose we don’t know if there was ever any intention of doing that. It’s probably part of the racist campaign, to have one or two of the bottom of the barrel hires tell media they oppose this.

  55. 55.

    Mike in NC

    July 27, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    Used to visit Baltimore quite often back in the day. Great city.

  56. 56.

    MJS

    July 27, 2019 at 4:19 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico: Good tweet, except for the use of the plural, as in “How much more will we tolerate?” “We”? The vast majority of Democrats stopped tolerating this shit back in January 2017. Never Trumpers need to focus their efforts and ire exclusively on Republicans and other Trump supporters.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    “But it was so much fun when he was being mean to Hillary.” #TwitterHoocoodanode

  58. 58.

    feebog

    July 27, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    I’m just pointing out the motive here. Trump does this regularly. He knows Jared and Ivanka have exposure with the email issue. The attack on Cummings is his childish way of trying to damage Cimmings’ credibility.

  59. 59.

    Kay

    July 27, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    That clip is very powerful. We should all be crying. It’s awful and sad to watch the country decline like this, into this incessant mean-spirited nastiness led by this low life and his grinning, idiot employees.

    I’m grateful to him for being so honest. It’s brave to show how bad it is. We’re all supposed to deny it’s happening.

  60. 60.

    MattF

    July 27, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    @Kay: Yeah, and I’m sure the ‘not a racist’ news will be not-for-attribution. Wouldn’t want to irk you-know-who.

  61. 61.

    germy

    July 27, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    @Kay:

    This, right after Jared Kushner’s publicist told the NYTimes Kushner was launching a “we’re not racists” campaign push.

    Wait… so Maggie Haberman is talking to herself now?

  62. 62.

    Betty Cracker

    July 27, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    @Kay: Just read on Politico that Kushner is also in charge of building Trump support in cities for the campaign. Guess he can cross Baltimore off the list!

  63. 63.

    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    @Kay: Nothing says you’re not racist like needing to launch a ‘we’re not racist’ campaign.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    @germy:

    Heh. Win.

  65. 65.

    Chris Johnson

    July 27, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    I’m going to Baltimore next week, for Bronycon, and I’m damn proud to. It’s definitely a big city and you gotta watch yourself but it needs rescuing, not punishing.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    @Martin:

    As I’m sure you know, the “we’re not racist” campaign is a “you’re not racist” campaign aimed as the feeders of people who support Trump.

  67. 67.

    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 4:28 pm

    @Baud: Actually, it’d be a ‘the Democrats are the real racists’ campaign, because projection is all they really know.

  68. 68.

    germy

    July 27, 2019 at 4:30 pm

    Jared’s “we’re not racist” campaign will feature many, many stock photos of smiling African American families. And not much else.

    Shutterstock® will profit from this, unless Jared’s people simply steal the photos.

  69. 69.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 4:31 pm

    @Baud: The mace is much larger and has pointy edges.

  70. 70.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    @Baud: I’ve been calling them “Know Nothings” for the past 4 years.

  71. 71.

    Starfish

    July 27, 2019 at 4:34 pm

    This was the funniest thing to come out of this incident. Someone asked David Simon if he had seen The Wire while they were trying to defend Trump’s racism.

  72. 72.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 4:35 pm

    @germy:

    unless Jared’s people simply steal the photos

    Pay for photos, no one pays for photos.

  73. 73.

    skerry

    July 27, 2019 at 4:35 pm

    I am a human who lives in Elijah Cummings’ district. I love my congressman. I despise my president.

    I respect Victor Blackwell and his emotional reply to Trump’s tweets.

    (I’m not in Baltimore City, but my daughter is)

  74. 74.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:35 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Holy crap. I didn’t know it was a real thing.

    Isn’t there a House cat-o’-nine-tails? Would it be wrong of me to say AOC would look hot wielding one?

    Better yet, Ted Lieu.

  75. 75.

    Brachiator

    July 27, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    @Taobhan:

    I suspect they had enough faith in the American people to not choose a president as cruel, ignorant, corruptible, incompetent and contemptible as he is. If they had, they may have written a constitution with clearer restraints on executive power.

    I see your point, but I think the Founders didn’t have total faith in the wisdom of the people. This is why they came up with the indirect method of the electoral college to confirm the election of a president.

    And I think that the Congress could easily check Trump if they wanted. Problem is, the GOP insists on covering for him.

    But I agree that modern presidents have taken more power and Congress has ceded authority.

    And most recently, I think that Cheney usurped a great deal of Dubya’s authority. And Trump wants to run the country like a business in which he is the sole executive in charge.

    The Supreme Court tilts toward Trump, but I wonder how they would decide if there were more conflict between Congress and the president.

  76. 76.

    MattF

    July 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    @Starfish: The stupid burns, but it may also amuse.

  77. 77.

    Betty Cracker

    July 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    @Kay: Awful and sad is right. This was never a perfect country, but even its shitty leaders at least gave lip service to the idea of perfecting the union, and its best made real progress on that front. Now this walking garbage heap is tearing it all down.

  78. 78.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:39 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Depends on who controls which branch. The conservative justices were ready to knock down DACA because it was Obama’s unilateral action. Only Scalia’s death saved it.

  79. 79.

    Betty Cracker

    July 27, 2019 at 4:39 pm

    @Brachiator:

    The Supreme Court tilts toward Trump, but I wonder how they would decide if there were more conflict between Congress and the president.

    We’re going to find out pretty soon. There’s no way Trump won’t stonewall the congressional inquiry all the way to the SCOTUS.

  80. 80.

    germy

    July 27, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    It’s Saturday and Trump is ruining Meghan McCain’s Monday again.— Schooley (@Rschooley) July 27, 2019

  81. 81.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    @Baud: The mace is the symbol of the power of the Speaker. Traditionally it’s presented in front of an unruly member to restore order at the Speaker’s request.

  82. 82.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Agreed. If the five protect Trump by saying that Congress can only get information if it launches a formal impeachment proceeding, expect impeachment proceedings to become a permanent fixture on our political landscape.

  83. 83.

    germy

    July 27, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    Think about all the racist stuff you’ve heard from Trump just in the past few days alone – infested, send them back, etc – and ask yourself why no major broadcaster from NBC, ABC, CBS, etc, who has interviewed him since 2016, has challenged him on his racism in any sustained way.
    — Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) July 27, 2019

    So it turns out – surprise! – that it isn’t Ilhan Omar who hates America or is anti-American, but the president himself, who sweepingly describes one of the America’s biggest cities as a “disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess” and a “dangerous and filthy place.” Nice. https://t.co/5jGUFtlNSr
    — Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) July 27, 2019

  84. 84.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Nice. I hope Trump doesn’t find out about it. He’ll want one for himself.

  85. 85.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    @germy:

    You know, maybe someone at NBC can leak those Apprentice tapes.

  86. 86.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    @Starfish: @Baud:

    Simon’s got quite a few “conversations” going on at the moment. It’s like a kid playing a whole row of chess boards and owning them all.

  87. 87.

    Mart

    July 27, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    @Ruckus: Re: Racism is not an American issue.

    Years ago on business trips to Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela, Mexico, and the Dominican Republic I would eat dinner at fancy restaurants with lighter skinned Spanish looking men, and work on the factory floor with darker skinned men. So dissapointed as a thought racism was an uniquely American institution. Naive I know. Asked a man in Argentina where are the black folks, he said we got rid of them.

  88. 88.

    frosty

    July 27, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    @Mike in NC: Used to live in Baltimore back in the day. Great city.

  89. 89.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    @Starfish:

    Isn’t the Wire the show that proved that all white cops are racist?

  90. 90.

    Josie

    July 27, 2019 at 4:49 pm

    @Suzanne:

    I tried to make that point with someone the other day, explaining that most of my life was spent about 15 miles from the border in South Texas. She still was unconvinced and was sure that Trump was saving us from crime and degradation. I finally gave up. Some people just have their ears and minds completely closed.

  91. 91.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    @Betty Cracker: He’s a racist and if the democrats don’t point that out, then I’d wonder why.

  92. 92.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    @Baud: Trump wants a crown and a scepter.

    Interesting trivia about the mace, the last time it was brought to the floor was during the debate on entering WWI, the last time it’s use was threatened was against Aunt Maxine(she left the chamber).

  93. 93.

    Taobhan

    July 27, 2019 at 4:52 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    And as far as impeachment goes, did you pay any attention to the news yesterday?

    I did indeed. While it’s encouraging that Speaker Pelosi allowed Chairman Nadler to put the word “impeachment” in a legal document, it’s a very long road to the House actually initiating impeachment hearings. In theory, that word gives the House action a heavier weight before a judge but I’ve grown tired of being exhilarated every time the House has issued a request for information/testimony, a subpoena for information/testimony or a contempt of Congress citation only to have the Trump administration completely ignore it without consequences. The 115th Congress convened on January 3, 2019 with high expectations from Democratic voters that a Democratic-led House would at last be able to bring Donald Trump to heel. Seven months have passed and the House has very little to show in fulfilling that expectation. We’re now at the August six-week recess during which almost nothing will happen. After being excited-then-disappoiinted so many times, my expectations for the House actually holding impeachment hearings before the 2020 election are nil. It appears to me that Speaker Pelosi is going to get her preference for letting voters decide Trump’s fate in the next election. But I’m glad if you’re still optimistic the House will impeach Trump before the election. I hope you’re right.

  94. 94.

    Kay

    July 27, 2019 at 4:52 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    thot process
    @welivinasociety
    ·4h
    I only trust newscasters who are crying.

  95. 95.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    It just occurred to me that clips of House members speaking in the well of the House used to a fairly big thing. I guess all that activity has moved onto social media.

  96. 96.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 27, 2019 at 4:56 pm

    Its lovely that the MSM and some other clueless people are finally waking up to the fact that Mr Orange T is racist. It was clear from the day he may made his debut in R politics as the birther man, if not earlier.
    But hey he provides drama for Mr Susan Glasser (sp?) of the NYT political desk so it is all good.

  97. 97.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 4:57 pm

    @Mart:

    Don’t know about Argentina specifically, but most Latin American countries saw a lot more racial mixing than in the U.S. The color bigotry is still there though.

  98. 98.

    James E Powell

    July 27, 2019 at 5:00 pm

    @Baud:

    “But it was so much fun when he was being mean to Hillary.”

    With a handful of exceptions, that was how the entire press/media behaved during the campaign. See also, The War on Gore.

  99. 99.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    July 27, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    @Chris Johnson: Check out Vaccaro’s in Little Italy, good bakery, and definitely the Inner Harbour

  100. 100.

    A Ghost To Most

    July 27, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    @Jager:

    I wonder why all those red-state companies and workers are coming to this American hell hole to work?

    They may come to CA to work, but they come to CO to play. Places like Pagosa Springs are full of asshole Texans.

  101. 101.

    Miss Bianca

    July 27, 2019 at 5:03 pm

    @Taobhan: Wow, you really thought with a criminal President, and a corrupt Administration that feels free to ignore the rule of law, and a criminal and enabling upper chamber in Congress that refuses to exercise any authority, moral or political, over that criminal President and Administration, that the House was just going to be able to bring them all to account, easy peasy? I sure didn’t.

    I mean, it’s hard enough to conduct an investigation when the parties you’re investigating actually comply with the law. It’s anywhere from a little to a lot harder when they don’t, and your esrtwhile allies in the investigative process are actually covering for the criminals in their turn.

  102. 102.

    BroD

    July 27, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    I was born in Baltimore and have lived here almost all my life–in the same block in fact. I’m proud of my city and my Congressman. However I am concerned about the vermin-infected White House down the road.

    Oh, yeah, and when is infrastructure week again?

  103. 103.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 5:06 pm

    @Starfish: I took pictures of the tweet and texted it to friends.

  104. 104.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 27, 2019 at 5:06 pm

    I have to say that I have personally experienced more hostility on this blog and IRL after Orange appeared on the scene. After Modi’s reelection, I feel out of place and unwelcome both in my land of birth and my adopted homeland.

  105. 105.

    zhena gogolia

    July 27, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    I saw Olivia Colman beat an old lady to death with just a claw hammer last night on Midsomer Murders. I think Nancy could do some damage with the gavel.

  106. 106.

    M31

    July 27, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    Kushner is also a Baltimore slum lord investigated for violating section 8 rules, hmmmmmmm

  107. 107.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    Consideration is being given to declaring ANTIFA, the gutless Radical Left Wack Jobs who go around hitting (only non-fighters) people over the heads with baseball bats, a major Organization of Terror (along with MS-13 & others). Would make it easier for police to do their job!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 27, 2019

  108. 108.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I’m sorry you feel that way, and I was unaware that someone spewed racist hate on this blog your way because of your heritage.
    I’m sorry

  109. 109.

    germy

    July 27, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    @Jay: But not the actual fascists?

  110. 110.

    MattF

    July 27, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    Plague of locusts?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/us/grasshoppers-vegas.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage

  111. 111.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    @Jay: What about White Nationalists. Wray testified that white supremacy is one of the causes of domestic terrorism.

  112. 112.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Take care of yourself first and foremost. Aren’t you having good experiences in your local activities?

  113. 113.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    I went through the Twitter accounts of every Republican member of Congress and created a comprehensive list of every Republican member who has condemned Trump's blatantly racist attack on their colleague, Elijah Cummings pic.twitter.com/B4g1Z3iDDz— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 27, 2019

  114. 114.

    A Ghost To Most

    July 27, 2019 at 5:18 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: It’s not just brown people. They hate atheists almost as much. I’ve been told countless times, “It’s one nation under god, or kiss my ass and get out!”. Lines of my family arrived on the Mayflower.

  115. 115.

    dexwood

    July 27, 2019 at 5:20 pm

    @BroD:
    I was born in Baltimore, grew up in the Liberty Heights/Qwynn Oak Junction area. I lit out for the New Mexico territory at 22 in 1974 and have remained here. I visit Baltimore as often as I can to see family and friends. I loved growing up there and always look forward to going home. Fuck president Asshole.

  116. 116.

    frosty

    July 27, 2019 at 5:21 pm

    @Chris Johnson: @JoeyJoeJoe: And the Owl Bar in Mt. Vernon, which among other things was a speakeasy during Prohibition.

  117. 117.

    MagdaInBlack

    July 27, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    @Jay:
    Scroll thru the replies to the graphic of how appointing Acosta was Trumps plan to catch Epstein…..or sumthin.
    Is that meme now bubbling up from the fever swamp? Or is it a joke? I never know with the cult of trump.

  118. 118.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 5:24 pm

    @germy:

    @JPL:

    4 years into their Make America Nazi Again, public campaign, Nazis are getting arrested, charged, convicted, jailed. Anti facist researchers are doxxing them, costing them jobs, housing, families, relationships. Their campaigns to terrorize communities are overwhelmed by Community activism and solidarity. Their attempts to leverage violence has been met with direct action.

    So, flailing, falling apart, losing members to infighting, doxxing and jail, the Nazis are scared to death of the imaginary Antifia,

    And so Dolt45, Calgary Cruz and Bill Cassedy are all in on pleasing Nazis.

    The HR is bullshit pandering, and will never make it into the House or Senate, but you know, gotta give Nazis a reach around.

  119. 119.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    @Jay:

    imaginary Antifia,

    Antifa isn’t imaginary.

  120. 120.

    EthylEster

    July 27, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    in fact is losing lots of folks who weren’t full-on racists, sexists and xenophobes, just idiots

    Not “lots”. Polls don’t show him losing “lots of folks”.
    Sad but true.

  121. 121.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 27, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    @Baud: Thanks. The people in my town have been pretty nice. Sometimes I just get tired being on a constant alert. I have lost two RL I am not racist T enabling friends.
    @JPL: No apologies necessary. I have no idea about the reason for the hostility, but I have gotten jumped on for saying stuff that others were already saying. Yes and I admit to being angry. Only some people are allowed anger it seems.

  122. 122.

    Ruckus

    July 27, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    @Josie:
    It is difficult to understand the world around you when your head is stuffed far, far up your own or someone else’s solid matter exit orifice.

  123. 123.

    Brachiator

    July 27, 2019 at 5:31 pm

    Randy Newman, Baltimore

    https://youtu.be/_TvDge63Iy8

  124. 124.

    A Ghost To Most

    July 27, 2019 at 5:33 pm

    @Jay:

    scared to death of the imaginary Antifa

    It bugs the shit out of them that Antifa only materializes when the Nazis do. It’s like fighting smoke.

  125. 125.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 27, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    I used to live in MD outside of DC in PG county. I had friends in Baltimore who worked at Johns Hopkins. I didn’t feel unsafe walking around with my friend, we are two petite women.

  126. 126.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    @Baud:

    Antifia is imaginary,

    https://www.newsweek.com/ban-antifa-cruz-cassidy-golden-retrievers-1451271

    I was promoted to antifa leader last night and now something just feels … different when I look in the mirror. pic.twitter.com/yDk07sriJa— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) July 27, 2019

  127. 127.

    Kathleen

    July 27, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    Former African American Obama staffers/officials in WAPO Op Ed:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-are-african-americans-we-are-patriots-and-we-refuse-to-sit-idly-by/2019/07/26/c02ade6c-af16-11e9-8e77-03b30bc29f64_story.html?utm_term=.8272498b12b9

  128. 128.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 27, 2019 at 5:37 pm

    Soledad O’Brien @ soledadobrien
    Just once I’d like to hear Mitt Romney, who is super rich (and has a Black grandson) speak up in some way about the President’s racism. I understand @marcorubio will never stand for anything courageous—he needs the gig. But I don’t understand how Romney says nada. Pathetic.

    I did not know that about Our Cowardly Willard. Makes him all the more contemptible

  129. 129.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    There is no “Antifia”, there are only antifacists.

    When your bogeyman’s name is short for “anti-fascist,” consider the possibility that you’re on the wrong side.— Alex Rubens (@atrubens) July 18, 2019

  130. 130.

    Starfish

    July 27, 2019 at 5:41 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Metafilter is having some very long threads over this specific topic. They are discussing how people in the US with no understanding of the politics of India are discussing it in a really shallow way and derailing the conversations of Indians and Indian Americans.

  131. 131.

    lollipopguild

    July 27, 2019 at 5:44 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Romney’s spine is made out of Jello, which is in a way an insult to Jello.

  132. 132.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 5:46 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Since you just recently became a citizen, I appreciate some of your comments. It reminds all of us, that we are one America. I hope that makes sense.

  133. 133.

    frosty

    July 27, 2019 at 5:46 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I lived within walking distance of JHU, used to walk our dogs on the campus. It was as safe a neighborhood as any. Some areas around Hopkins Hospital … not so much. Not sure which one you were referring to.

  134. 134.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 27, 2019 at 5:46 pm

    @Starfish: Actually its the way my near and dear ones are making excuses for Modi is what makes me sad. I am an outlier where the PM is concerned in my family circle.

  135. 135.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 27, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    @frosty: Not the hospital, the neighborhood around the University and Little Italy.

  136. 136.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 5:49 pm

    @Josie: Mother-in-law lived in McAllen and it was safe then and from what I read it’s safe now.

  137. 137.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 5:49 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Don’t forget there’s a “little brown one” in the Bush family too.

  138. 138.

    Raven

    July 27, 2019 at 5:51 pm

    @Starfish: Fuck, people in the US have no understanding of the US, how would they understand anywhere else?

  139. 139.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 5:52 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I’m sorry to read this. I have not reconciled with any of my family members who supported (still support?) Trump. Two of three brothers. I’ve missed milestone events (graduations, etc.). It’s all really very regretful.

  140. 140.

    Brachiator

    July 27, 2019 at 5:53 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Soledad O’Brien @ soledadobrien
    Just once I’d like to hear Mitt Romney, who is super rich (and has a Black grandson) speak up in some way about the President’s racism. I understand @marcorubio will never stand for anything courageous—he needs the gig. But I don’t understand how Romney says nada. Pathetic.

    Romney is a coward. Always has been.

    Trump is also a coward, but he also enjoys hurting people, especially those who stand up to him. And so, he uses the shield of his presidential power to strike back.

  141. 141.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 27, 2019 at 5:53 pm

    @debbie: several, that referred to all of Jeb’s kids, one of them is now Texas Land Commissioner, which if recall my Molly Ivins correctly is an office that serves as a launching pad to higher office. My pet theory is that’s why Jebbie and Uncle Dumbya stay quiet, George P needs the racist rube vote to avenge the family name. Just as Willard is preserving it for whichever Mittlet he thinks is going to finally prove that whole White Horse/Mormon Kennedy thing.

  142. 142.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    July 27, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    @frosty: I hadn’t heard of it. I know where I’ll go next time I visit Baltimore.

    As for polls, they do show him losing, don’t forget that(that’s in response to ethyl ester)

  143. 143.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 5:57 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Jenna Bush Hager tweeted

    I taught in West Baltimore. I adore my kids, their parents, and grandparents. They all want the same thing I want for my kids: the chance for their children to have safe, happy and productive lives. Let’s think about the language we use, who it hurts.

  144. 144.

    HAL

    July 27, 2019 at 5:57 pm

    This is from 1997

    https://youtu.be/oqZaQKskP-A

    Back in 2006, MADtv, the alternative Saturday Night Live sketch show, ran on FOX from 1995-2009 (yeah, that long). Nicole Sullivan was one of the truly talented comedians to perform on the show who created a variety of characters, including the right-wing, racist, country singer Darlene McBride. Darlene first appeared in the third season of MADtv, in 1997. She began with these countrified lines:

    Take back America to 1955.

    Take back America to when God was still alive

    https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/1/1493953/-Darlene-McBride-the-racist-right-wing-satire-from-20-years-ago-is-strangely-prescient-today

  145. 145.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 5:58 pm

    @Jay:

    What in that article says Antifa is imaginary?

  146. 146.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 27, 2019 at 5:59 pm

    @JPL: good for her

    (not exactly Emile Zola or Joseph Welch, but she’s not (quite) in politics)

  147. 147.

    Brachiator

    July 27, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    @debbie:

    Don’t forget there’s a “little brown one” in the Bush family too.

    Probably not so little anymore.

  148. 148.

    Bob

    July 27, 2019 at 6:02 pm

    @dmsilev: but the number set is gold plated

  149. 149.

    Starfish

    July 27, 2019 at 6:02 pm

    @Raven: There are some strange shifts in the discussion of race, and I am not quite sure where it is all going. There are big systemic things that need to change, but how do you change institutions built on top of racism?

    How do fix schools when they are mostly financed by local property tax, and students in areas with less money are getting a worse education? How do you fix medicine where maternal mortality of black women is three times the maternal mortality of white women?

    I think that the discussions about cultural appropriation matter less than the two topics that I just mentioned, but a lot of people want to talk about it nonstop.

  150. 150.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 6:06 pm

    @HAL:

    Yeah, what we’re seeing isn’t new. It just hasn’t captured the presidency in such a vulgar way before. Coupled with Republicans top to bottom willingness to sell out America to a foreign power to win that’s what’s really different now.

  151. 151.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    @debbie:

    I believe, under the rules, non-white family members are allowed to be used a shield against charges of racism, but cannot be used as a reason to challenge racism.

  152. 152.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    Former President Barack Obama praised members of his administration for “continuing to fight for an America that’s better” after nearly 150 African Americans signed an op-ed slamming President Donald Trump for his recent racist attacks targeting four progressive Democratic congresswomen of color.

    “I’ve always been proud of what this team accomplished during my administration. But more than what we did, I’m proud of how they’re continuing to fight for an America that’s better,” Obama, who has been notoriously restrained since leaving office when it comes to publicly speaking out about Trump’s policies and behavior, wrote on his Twitter account on Saturday. Obama’s former senior adviser Valerie Jarrett was also a signatory of the op-ed.

  153. 153.

    Taobhan

    July 27, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Yes, that’s the common perception about why the U.S. has an electoral college but it’s not quite true. In the Philadelphia convention to ratify the constitution establishing the government of the new nation. there was strong sentiment for direct election among the representative of the more heavily populated northern states but the lighter populated southern states were against it for obvious reasons. At that convention, James Madison of Virginia protested direct elections, saying “The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.” That problem may have been solved if slaves had been allowed to vote but of course they weren’t. So the electoral college was created to mollify the southern state representatives. AND the southern states were allowed to include slaves in the population count (well, each slave was counted as 2/5ths of a person).

    So, from the outset, the southern states were a troublesome lot to deal with (and later drove the point home by seceding and fighting a bloody war). The U.S. had given the southern what they wanted in terms of electing the president and they still seceded several decades later. And we never got back direct election of the president. The nation has continued to be plagued by the original sin of compromising with some states to allow slavery. In the 2020 election, our democratic form of government could be fatally damaged by our failure to redeem that original sin. Compromising with evil never yield good outcomes.

  154. 154.

    Raven

    July 27, 2019 at 6:23 pm

    @Starfish: I don’t think any of that is in anyway new

  155. 155.

    Taobhan

    July 27, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    @Brachiator: I think the Founders didn’t have total faith in the wisdom of the people. This is why they came up with the indirect method of the electoral college to confirm the election of a president.

    I’m fixing my screwup on trying to include Brachiator’s comment above in my comment. This is how I intended it to look.

    Yes, that’s the common perception about why the U.S. has an electoral college but it’s not quite true. In the Philadelphia convention to ratify the constitution establishing the government of the new nation. there was strong sentiment for direct election among the representative of the more heavily populated northern states but the lighter populated southern states were against it for obvious reasons. At that convention, James Madison of Virginia protested direct elections, saying “The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.” That problem may have been solved if slaves had been allowed to vote but of course they weren’t. So the electoral college was created to mollify the southern state representatives. AND the southern states were allowed to include slaves in the population count (well, each slave was counted as 2/5ths of a person).

    So, from the outset, the southern states were a troublesome lot to deal with (and later drove the point home by seceding and fighting a bloody war). The U.S. had given the southern what they wanted in terms of electing the president and they still seceded several decades later. And we never got back direct election of the president. The nation has continued to be plagued by the original sin of compromising with some states to allow slavery. In the 2020 election, our democratic form of government could be fatally damaged by our failure to redeem that original sin. Compromising with evil never yield good outcomes.

  156. 156.

    Mike in NC

    July 27, 2019 at 6:28 pm

    Getting ready to land in Detroit to change planes to fly to London tonight. Has Fat Bastard disparaged that city (Detroit, that is) lately? Only a matter of time before he turns his racist bullhorn on all of our cities.

    We’ve heard plenty of his garbage about the Muslim mayor of London.

  157. 157.

    Renate

    July 27, 2019 at 6:32 pm

    @Ruckus: I always appreciate your well thought out comments, never miss reading them.

  158. 158.

    A Ghost To Most

    July 27, 2019 at 6:39 pm

    @Jay:
    I don’t know about “Antifia”, but Antifa definitely exists, just not as an organization. More like Batmen coming to the Bat Signal.

    First rule of Democracy Fight Club? Don’t talk about DFC.

  159. 159.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 27, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    OT: this week’s Meghan McCain Award For Negative Self-Awareness goes to….

    WASHINGTON — After I interviewed Nancy Pelosi a few weeks ago, The HuffPost huffed that we were Dreaded Elites because we were eating chocolates and — horror of horrors — the speaker had on some good pumps.
    Then this week, lefty Twitter erected a digital guillotine because I had a book party for my friend Carl Hulse, The Times’s authority on Capitol Hill for decades, attended by family, journalists, Hill denizens and a smattering of lawmakers, including Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and Susan Collins.
    I, the daughter of a D.C. cop, and Carl, the son of an Illinois plumber, were hilariously painted as decadent aristocrats reveling like Marie Antoinette when we should have been knitting like Madame Defarge.
    Yo, proletariat: If the Democratic Party is going to be against chocolate, high heels, parties and fun, you’ve lost me. And I’ve got some bad news for you about 2020.

    My god, if the Dems have truly lost MoDo, we can forget about Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan!

  160. 160.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 6:47 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    If the Dems could lose MoDo, it might be worth it.

  161. 161.

    trollhattan

    July 27, 2019 at 6:50 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: @Baud:
    Time to add “rid the nation of the chocolate and stiletto pumps” to the DNC platform. You can’t be too proactive here.

  162. 162.

    Brachiator

    July 27, 2019 at 6:50 pm

    @Taobhan:

    I take your point. But the founders considered a number of indirect options, selection of the president by state governors, by Congress, by state legislatures, and of course direct popular vote. But you are right that in all these debates they had to deal with the desire of the slave states to maintain power within the new government.

    Also, of course, we didn’t even have direct election of senators until what, 1913?

  163. 163.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 27, 2019 at 6:53 pm

    @Baud: I’m honestly a little bit surprised she’s that thin-skinned, or at least that she would reread that and say, “yeah, I want people to see this, under my name”.

    There was a story a couple years back that she wanted to leave the op/ed page and start to doing TV/pop culture writing full-time. I don’t know if the paper said no or she changed her mind, but she really should have left politics with Gee Dumbya.

  164. 164.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 27, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    My god, if the Dems have truly lost MoDo, we can forget about Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan!

    One of the few places in WI where you commonly see high heels is Milwaukee and I don’t think that Milwaukee will flip to R over the issue of heels.

  165. 165.

    TS (the original)

    July 27, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    @Kathleen: Reading the list of names and positions – trump wouldn’t even know that he needed advice on all of these issues – I’m finding it amazing that the US hasn’t self imploded while 99% of the administration is working on attacking immigrants and citizens with non-white skin.

  166. 166.

    Baud

    July 27, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I think she thinks she better than the rest of us hoi polloi, and it irks her to see them not respect her.

  167. 167.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    @HAL:

    The first couple of years, that show was genius. Every single sketch was a hoot. SNL couldn’t touch them then.

  168. 168.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 27, 2019 at 6:59 pm

    @Baud: I suspect the twitter reaction to that column will make whatever people said about her party sound like a rave review.

    I really hope Charlie Pierce (or somebody like that) is feeling a bit salty when he reads that

  169. 169.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 7:00 pm

    Great statement representing the best of human decency and real, genuine patriotism from Victor Blackwell. I watched in admiration, until he got choked up, summoning the strength to defend his hometown without breaking down, and as he started the tear up, I started to tear up.

    I come from little dinky joints in the CA Central Valley that have some of the same problems of Baltimore (different drugs, but same general type of problems) and I really admire his forthright defense of his home, and his denunciations of Trump’s vile attacks on our political leaders, on whole groups of ordinary people and the places we grew up, and places and people we love who are valuable, irreplaceable, parts of this country

  170. 170.

    cynthia ackerman

    July 27, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    So most right-friendly pundits, and too many center- to left-‘s, say that Mueller was a flop because of poor “optics”. Never mind the substance, which clearly said our democracy has been violated, and that criminal conduct by our current president and his associates has further eroded, and continues to harm, national security.

    And yet the minute by minute “optics” , for four years running, of a low functioning, boorish narcissist don’t seem to make any difference.

    I’m ready for the tumbrels.

  171. 171.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    @Baud:

    I’m probably alone and out in the wilderness on this, but I’d like to see him a little less restrained. I’d like him to demonstrate that a person can push back and not lose a single molecule of honor.

  172. 172.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 7:05 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I see Pelosi is making amends for any feathers ruffled with that column (which I think contained a few missteps). But, people like Pelosi and AOC are both grown-ups, who understand the responsibility that comes with their prominence influence and power, whether you generally agree their positions or not. Dowd on the other hand…

    Edit: context is Pelosi and AOC had a face to face meeting that both said was very constructive and useful, and not to make too much of Democratic family squabbles.

  173. 173.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 7:05 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    She’s always been that thin-skinned, but now she’s dropped any pretense of humor or self-awareness.

  174. 174.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 27, 2019 at 7:14 pm

    Nate Silver NateSilver538
    Literally every NYT opinion column these days about how liberals were mean to the columnist on the Internet and how if liberals on the Internet keep being mean to the columnist then TRUMP IS GONNA WIN IN 2020.

    A rather Biden-sh use of “literally” since I don’t think Michelle Goldberg or Jamelle Bouie have written one of those columns yet

  175. 175.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 7:15 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Anti facism exists, just not “Antifia”.

    Anti facism is an action, not an organization.

  176. 176.

    Brachiator

    July 27, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    @debbie:

    The first couple of years, that show was genius. Every single sketch was a hoot. SNL couldn’t touch them then.

    Yep. The first time I saw the sketch linked below, I thought it funny as hell and damned effective satire. It’s also about a minute and a half. SNL would have drawn it out so long, it would have lost its bite.

    MadTV. The Man

    https://youtu.be/gaQLQnLSBdc

  177. 177.

    BroD

    July 27, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    @dexwood:

    Homie! I live in Windsor Hills (not far from Walbrook Junction.)

  178. 178.

    Raven

    July 27, 2019 at 7:20 pm

    @Jay: There were plenty of folks back in the day who wanted nothing more to provoke the pig to beat the shit out of otherwise peaceful demonstrators. Some were agents provocateurs and and some were just street fightin motherfuckers.

  179. 179.

    Raoul

    July 27, 2019 at 7:23 pm

    There was ample evidence before.

    But anyone, anyone who from this day forward defends this unrepentant bigot as ‘not having a racist bone in his body’ or whatever other bullshit version of [feigned shock!] not racist! [pearl clutch] is, him/herself also, unretrievably naming themselves racist.

    Trump is indefensible. Period.

  180. 180.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    July 27, 2019 at 7:25 pm

    Mean girl MoDo can dish it out, but she sure can’t take it.

    the hypocrisy – she would be the first one clutching her pearls if a Dem was so thin skinned.

  181. 181.

    J R in WV

    July 27, 2019 at 7:27 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    I have added Harbison to my pie filter, which has been empty for months now, as I have attempted to be a more understand person. But some trolls are just trolls, and don’t need understanding.

    I won’t need to suffer Harbison’s filth anymore. Thanks to cleek and Major^4 for inventing the pie filter and building an easy implementation of it.

  182. 182.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    ICE told one trans woman that if she didn't participate in a photo op with media, she wouldn't receive food.???? ?? ??????????.https://t.co/91z69k0u3I— National Center for Transgender Equality (@TransEquality) July 15, 2019

  183. 183.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    July 27, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    Shorter MoDo: keep making fun of my shallow parties and I’ll campaign for the treasonous rapist, again.

  184. 184.

    Quinerly

    July 27, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    @Brachiator: ?

  185. 185.

    EthylEster

    July 27, 2019 at 7:31 pm

    @Martin wrote:

    … thankfully Grassley ….

    He has looked really old and out of it the last few times I have seen/heard him.
    And came across as more of a jerk, also, too.
    So I’m not thankful.

  186. 186.

    A Ghost To Most

    July 27, 2019 at 7:36 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Just slip her a couple of edibles, and she’ll be too busy freaking out to be a problem.

  187. 187.

    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 7:37 pm

    @EthylEster: I mean, the comparison is McConnell, who is unquestionably worse in every possible way.

  188. 188.

    ET

    July 27, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    Hutus talked like this about Tutsis. That didn’t turn out well either.

  189. 189.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    Posse Comitatus

    The Posse Comitatus Act (prounounced “päsē ˌkämiˈtādəs,” not whatever dirty way you were thinking) is an 1878 law that limits how the federal government can use troops stationed in the US. Under the Posse Comitatus Act, troops can’t be used for law enforcement purposes or be in direct contact with civilians, including immigrants.

    So what, exactly are the troops doing?

    Oh, they’re just acting as prison guards for some very dangerous immigrant families.

    But isn’t that using the troops as law enforcement?

    Yes, yes it is.

    So, how are they getting away with this?

    They’re pretending the troops are really just there to help the imprisoned migrants get medical help. [insert largest of eye rolls here].

    https://www.wonkette.com/posse-comitatus

  190. 190.

    FlyingToaster

    July 27, 2019 at 7:41 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Looks like you chased the troll off. Well Done!

  191. 191.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 7:46 pm

    @Jay: What will the supreme court say? hmmmm If someone mentions to me that Roberts wouldn’t want to go down on the wrong side of history again, I’m going to explode.

  192. 192.

    zhena gogolia

    July 27, 2019 at 7:47 pm

    Big doings in Moscow today. I’m hoping Adam writes something about it. This is our future if Trumpf gets his way.

    https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1155174117806465024

  193. 193.

    HRA

    July 27, 2019 at 7:48 pm

    @Jay:

    I Believe that is why Trump announced yesterday that the troops will be painting the wall. Will it be gold?

  194. 194.

    patrick II

    July 27, 2019 at 7:49 pm

    @Betty Cracker:
    I am sure he will use a variation of his successful Israeli- Palestine gambit to bring peace between Trump and minorities.

  195. 195.

    Immanentize

    July 27, 2019 at 7:50 pm

    MoDo lost her entire shit during the 2001 anthrax scare. Those columns are In. Sane. She really sees herself as the center of everything that is necessary on the world.

  196. 196.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 7:54 pm

    @HRA:

    Will it be gold?

    There’s another color?

  197. 197.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 7:54 pm

    @FlyingToaster: Scary. We are discovering that the Deep State plots to foil Trumpster genius and MAGA! go all the way back to 1878. (snark)

    Thanks for link. It is encouraging that the military, unlike GOP and SCOTUS still has enough shame to not outright lie, and the decency to use a transparent euphemism, to tell the truth about what is going on. But very dangerous to rely on the remaining integrity of the military.

    With this shit, and corrupt SCOTUS greenlighting Trump’s fake emergency, our democracy is not safe until very aggressive action is taken to roll back precedents set under Trump. Salutory impeachment, conviction and removal of five corrupt SC justices seems essential to me at this point. But many pompus wise guys here say to not even think about it, So if we get two Democratic houses in Congress after 2020 I will write DiFi and Harris (if she is not president or US AG), and Pelosi, and demand impeachment of corrupt SCOTUS thugs, and if they are too chickenshit to do that, then expand the court and appoint two additional sane and honest justices.

    Edit: I also didn’t know Trump approval has been under 50 percent among the troops for quite a while. I keep hearing otherwise. But a good trend to see that he is going downhill fast with them, and probably he’ll be underwater there soon too.

  198. 198.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 7:55 pm

    @Immanentize: Share with us about your day and how the little imma is doing.

    I have an almost 6 month old grand imp and I broke the rule of no internet on Friday while care taking him. It was worth it though to hear about your son’s progress.

  199. 199.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 7:55 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: White

  200. 200.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 27, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    Judd Legum @ JuddLegum
    10m10 minutes ago
    UPDATE: It’s now been 12 HOURS since Trump’s blatantly racist attack on Congressman Elijah Cummings.

    So I’ve updated my comprehensive list of Republican members of Congress who have denounced Trump’s racist attack.

    Hang on to your wigs and keys, kids, it’s still zero

  201. 201.

    EthylEster

    July 27, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    @cynthia ackerman:

    So most right-friendly pundits, and too many center- to left-‘s, say that Mueller was a flop because of poor “optics”.

    Now they are saying “But after his sometimes halting testimony, some lawmakers are privately worrying about his acuity”….from WaPo.

    WTF?

  202. 202.

    BC in Illinois

    July 27, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    @Jay:

    Consideration is being given to declaring ANTIFA, the gutless Radical Left Wack Jobs who go around hitting (only non-fighters) people over the heads with baseball bats, a major Organization of Terror (along with MS-13 & others). Would make it easier for police to do their job!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 27, 2019

    1. “Consideration is being given” – – interesting use of the passive voice. Who is doing the consideration? Where can we see the reports and records of this consideration? What criteria is this “consideration” using? Under what statutory authority?

    2. “declaring ANTIFA . . . a major Organization of Terror (along with MS-13 & others).” I know better than to over-interpret the use of capital letters in a Trump Tweet, but Trump seems to consider “Organization of Terror” to be an important official designation. “MS-13 & others” seem to have already been declared to be Organizations of Terror [by someone]. The declaration of OoT “would make it easier for the police to do their job.” How? Why? In what way?

    Now, many news articles have simply changed Trump’s threatened “declaration” of an Organization of Terror, as if he simply was using the descriptive term “terrorist organization,” but that’s not what he said.

    Maybe I should just give it up. As I saw on a copy-editor’s cubicle once:

    An unclear or meaningless choice of words
    may in fact be a completely correct choice of words
    expressing unclear or meaningless thoughts.

  203. 203.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Unlike the troll, I think the dems run on two issues, health care and racism. For those who say no remember that Hillary had policies and issues which were ignored for the racist asshole in chief’s rants.

  204. 204.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    They are busy tweeting about National Cowboy Day.

  205. 205.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 8:01 pm

    @EthylEster: GOP hacks and political operatives are whispering that crap in their ears, so they think they have to say it.

    Standard Dem politicians need more of the Jerry Brown and Barney Frank ethos on the corporate media, call them out to their faces on their BS, directly and forcefully, on the record and in front of the cameras.

  206. 206.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 8:01 pm

    What happens when you criminalize a vague term like "antifa?" Does it make it more likely for the police to single out activists with trumped up charges and spurious investigations? Does it mean that journalists are going to be brought into Grand Juries? Antifa scare?— Shane Burley (@shane_burley1) July 27, 2019

  207. 207.

    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 8:06 pm

    @Jay: Anti trump = antifa. I’m curious about this cowboy thing. How many cowboys do we have and are they moving them to different pastures like in Lonesome Dove? Are the republicans following behind and camping out?

  208. 208.

    EthylEster

    July 27, 2019 at 8:06 pm

    @Martin:

    McConnell, who is unquestionably worse in every possible way.

    This is where I break out the old chestnut: the lesser of two evils is still evil.
    I’m saying that I think Grassley could be as bad as McConnell if given the chance.
    Can you cite some recent decent positions he’s taken?
    He has been AWFUL on CSPAN lately.
    Very dismissive of Dem Senators on committees he chairs.
    I used to (years ago) almost like him but now he just seems really old and mean.

  209. 209.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 8:07 pm

    @BC in Illinois:

    As I pointed out, Calgary Cruz and serial pants wetter Bill Cassidy have written an anti “Antifia” House Resolution.

    As there is no such criminal designation as “domestic terrorism”, it’s going no where, but it’s a nice reach around to the Nazis.

    The ReThugs might not legally be able to become the US Nazi Party, but they sure are trying.

  210. 210.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 27, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    @Jay: It just as likely means that, if anyone tries to prosecute someone under such a law, the defense will challenge the law itself and it will be found to be void for vagueness. And why is it that you spell the term correctly in quoted material but you add a superfluous “i” the rest of the time?

  211. 211.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Ha! You’re right!

    I remember laughing non-stop from beginning to end. That “documentary” about OJ solving his crime was years before the real OJ’s!

  212. 212.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 27, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    @Jay: T

    he ReThugs might not legally be able to become the US Nazi Party

    Why would that be?

  213. 213.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    @HRA:

    His own special shade: Flaking Cheap Gold.

  214. 214.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    @jl:

    Salutory impeachment, conviction and removal of five corrupt SC justices seems essential to me at this point. But many pompus wise guys here say to not even think about it

    You think we can get 2/3’s of the Senate to go along with that? Just pack the Court, it’s much easier.

  215. 215.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 8:15 pm

    Since ‘Republican Stupidity’ is a tag, if not ‘Open Thread’, the moron Trump appears to be agitating to rev up a new ‘strong dollar’ policy. If he gets his way with this, and he is surrounded by economic ignoramuses who like that kind of talk, chances of recession soon will go up substantially.

    Will hurt growth in rest of world, and one factor seldom mentioned in chances of a recession soon is big slowdown in world growth. Setting Trumpster fantasies aside, if the world has a serious slowdown the US won’t be able to overcome that, even with a strong dollar (just as if the US catches an economic cold, so does the world to some extent). And strong dollar exactly what is not needed for slumping manufacturing investment, jobs, wage growth, and agriculture problems, both caused by Trump’s idiot tariff wars and macroeconomic tax scam for rich man policies. Anyway, if Trump goes ahead with this stupidity in a big way, hold on to your hats. Signs are set for a noticeable economic slowdown sometime between Nov 2018 and late summer 2020. Trump wants to increase the chances of that.

    @paulkrugman
    Shocking they were even thinking about this. The strong dollar actually is a problem, but this would be predatory beggar-thy-neighbor policy 1/
    https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1155076623890296832

    Edit: Another way the rich man’s tax cut will hurt the economy is that it is reducing US National Income (income to people) versus GDP, as massive corporate tax savings flow to overseas to foreign investors in US stock market. But consumer spending is only thing holding up US economic growth, as investment slumps (as opposed to booms, as promised by Trumpster flacks for rich man’s tax cut)

  216. 216.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    "Go back to your country!" Racist attackers quoted Trump as they vandalized #Sikh temple + beat priest outside #Modesto where white nationalist #StraightPride parade is planned + days before Trump tweets about declaring antifascists "domestic terrorists." https://t.co/HWnkTHpufL— It's Going Down (@IGD_News) July 27, 2019

  217. 217.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 8:18 pm

    @Jay:

    Calgary Cruz and serial pants wetter Bill Cassidy have written an anti “Antifia” House Resolution.

    Ah, they’re in the Senate.

  218. 218.

    Felanius Kootea

    July 27, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I hear you. I’m lucky to be in a part of LA where I’m somewhat in a bubble though I’ve noticed more openly racist white homeless men around where I live. Had the n-word used on me by one of them a few months ago but he was clearly mentally ill. I don’t stop by Balloon Juice as often as I used to. It’s not the same any more.

  219. 219.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I don’t believe in asking for half a loaf, if half a loaf is my fallback position. there should definitely be many impeachments against judges, justices, cabinet officials, as well as the president. I going to ask for maximum with my Congresscritters, in hopes they will do something to fix what is becoming an extremely dangerous situation in this country.

    I think slow motion Constitutional crisis is exactly what we have. I’m not going to sit on my hands and say nothing while the Oligarchs Trump, Roberts, and McConnell sell the country’s democracy down the river.

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    Raoul

    July 27, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    @ET: Likewise, it has strong echos of Republika Srpska and the Bosnian war crimes.
    An early step is to totally dehumanize your opponents. It’s incredibly dangerous. And yet people are doing ‘laugh’ face on FB when news orgs post about Trump’s vituperation. This cannot run unchecked.

  221. 221.

    Ksmiami

    July 27, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    @RandomMonster: I want the whole family tried, convicted and jailed and their followers rounded up and deported to the Sahara desert. These are the Undeserving of America: a stain on our nation and a waste of redundant protoplasm

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    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    Women: get death and rape and deathrape threats constantly over Twitter.Police: "sorry, nothing we can do."Dude: Makes obvious joke tweet about stealing a walrus.Police: https://t.co/oZJCMMBFX1— Good Ol' Spike-X (@SpikeEcks) July 27, 2019

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    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    @Jay: Need to be noted that the Sikh community up there has been there for a century. It’s one of the oldest immigrant communities in CA, so they’re railing against 3rd, 4th, 5th generation Americans. Sikhs are wonderful, wonderful people.

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    Citizen Alan

    July 27, 2019 at 8:30 pm

    @A Ghost To Most:

    I just tell them they’re not really Christian and that Jesus is going to send them to Hell.

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    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 8:31 pm

    @Jay: I can top that.

    Cop gets a burger, takes a bite, puts it in the fridge, takes it out hours later forgetting he took a bit, decides that McDs is fucking with him, an investigation is launched and it’s determined he just forgot he took a bite out of his burger.

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    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 8:34 pm

    @Martin: Scared to click the link. I hope they didn’t kill anybody.

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    Immanentize

    July 27, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    @JPL:
    Hey All. It was a less good day as the surgery anesthetic cleared from his system. His catheter is causing real pain and the day nurse was, well, less than Johnny on the spot. But now, Sargent Night Nurse is here and has taken charged, fixed his catheter, and took off as many matches and extra stuff possible. Dilaudid is some serious shit. I’m going to leave the hospital in about a half hour. I need some food! And perhaps an adult beverage. I hope the NYC Meetup is going well.

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    Brachiator

    July 27, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    @jl:

    Signs are set for a noticeable economic slowdown sometime between Nov 2018 and late summer 2020. Trump wants to increase the chances of that.

    Does this need an update? We are already past 2018 and are deep into 2019.

    The thing is, Trump doesn’t know what he is doing, and some of the people he has put in charge of the economy are as flakey as hell. His policies come down to “I’m stubborn and powerful, so what I say goes!” And conservative pundits and business reporters seem unwilling to be truthful.

    Predictions about the economy are often iffy. I think that Trump’s fundamental incompetence makes things even more difficult. It adds an extra layer of uncertainty. If he got re-elected and there was a major recession, Trump would not know what to do. On the other hand, Trump could stumble into a period of prosperity.

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    Amir Khalid

    July 27, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    You mean, it’s not used to beat some sense into the unruly member? How disappointing. //

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    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    @Martin:

    Yeah, here the roots of the Sikh community goes back to the Hudson Bay Company days and Ruperts Land.

    Still, starting after 9/11 we have had to have Community Patrols and Guards to protect the Temple and Community Hall, and it has not lessened, it’s only gotten worse.

    Shut down a racist trying to rant today to a nice Clerk by loudly pointing out that if you live in Canada your ancestry is either Indiginous, Slave, Refugee or Immigrant. Which one was he?

  231. 231.

    J R in WV

    July 27, 2019 at 8:48 pm

    @Taobhan:

    While it’s encouraging that Speaker Pelosi allowed Chairman Nadler to put the word “impeachment” in a legal document, it’s a very long road to the House actually initiating impeachment hearings.
    …
    my expectations for the House actually holding impeachment hearings before the 2020 election are nil. It appears to me that Speaker Pelosi is going to get her preference for letting voters decide Trump’s fate in the next election. But I’m glad if you’re still optimistic the House will impeach Trump before the election.

    Taobhan, what an exciting comment. I’m so glad you don’t believe in the American system of government. Why don’t you seek refugee status in some other, any other, country? There are other democracies out there I think.

    On the other hand, screw you with a hay rake for your shitty attitude towards Speaker Pelosi, who is working to beat the Trump racists come election days of 2020. The House should vote on Trump’s impeachment in October, 2020, and not a moment before. Anyone who doesn’t understand the strategic timing of current political events in America is probably still counting on their fingers to make change for a parking meter.

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    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2019 at 8:48 pm

    @jl: I was suggesting what is possible, but you go on with your pie-n-the-sky.

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    A Ghost To Most

    July 27, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    @Citizen Alan:
    Somehow, I don’t think you are on their approved list, either. Followers of Jebus are so rare among christians these days.

  234. 234.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    @J R in WV: I think you’re a little harsh, there. Hay rake needed? Really? I don’t see anything that offensive in T’s comments.

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    rikyrah

    July 27, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    @Immanentize:
    Thanks for the update on Little Imma ??
    Always sending both of you positive thoughts ??

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    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 8:55 pm

    @Brachiator: It’s already happening. GDP has been revised downward. We’re struggling with an inverted bond yield. Inverted yield has a 100% success rate predicting a recession. It shows that long term borrowing is risky. The trade policy makes capex expensive. Odds are we’ll be dipping into recession next year.

    A competent administration could be taking steps to correct this. The fed is trying, but they can’t fix things up as fast as Trump and the GOP is fucking it up. There’s concern that government spending will need to be slashed and/or taxes raised significantly to remedy our Kansas Experiment.

  237. 237.

    Jay

    July 27, 2019 at 8:57 pm

    While some of y’all reporters are out here talking about how reporting on Trump is “fun,” your black and brown colleagues are having to deal with the psychic impacts of his racism. Maybe try considering that this is neither a game nor entertaining for many, many Americans. https://t.co/5JYmA9UNdM— Ida Bae Wells (@nhannahjones) July 27, 2019

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    JPL

    July 27, 2019 at 9:01 pm

    @Immanentize: Take care of yourself also and remember that if imma chooses you will someday be a grand imp also. Hang in there .

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    Omnes Omnibus

    July 27, 2019 at 9:02 pm

    @jl: Maybe some of us are just crankier than others today. I am on board with our friend from West Virginia.

  240. 240.

    debbie

    July 27, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Ouch, sorry there’s pain today, but glad things seem headed in the right direction.

  241. 241.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 27, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    Demographics favor the righteous, not the racists. They know this. This is their last stand.

  242. 242.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: You are old, BillinGendale,” the young man said, “And your hair has become very white;
    And yet you incessantly stand on your head, Do you think, at your age, it is right?”

  243. 243.

    FelonyGovt

    July 27, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    @Immanentize: It’s tough seeing your kid in pain. I hope things are getting better. Please take care of yourself as well.

  244. 244.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 9:28 pm

    @Brachiator: Sorry I meant Nov 2019. I expect generous good faith interpretation obvious typos, The hell with all you BJ commenters very much. And yes, my fingers are very fat.

    ” Predictions about the economy are often iffy. ”
    Predictions of economic turning points are always very iffy. That’s econ, folks. Deal with it. All I can say is long range forecasting algorithms for some kind of downturn over next year are ticking up above 50 percent (one year for that kind of prediction is long range). And individual indicators are consistent with overall indicies. For example inverted yield curves are starting to uninvert. Sure, it’s hocus pocus reading of correlated indicators not specific causal factors but that is the best we can do with current knowledge.

    @Martin: I agree. Not sure out straight out recession by standard NBER definition. But I think getting to very high probability of growth recession similar to that of 2015-2106 that I think had a big impact on last general election and raising up of the ghastly Trump administration.

    Edit: another issue is that, if recession, growth, or recession for realsies, hits sooner rather than later, we’ve seen from GW Bush admin, that bad macroeconomic policy in wake of a mild recession can make ordinary people hurt almost as bad as a serious recession, and for far longer.

  245. 245.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    Meant to type 2015-2016. Correct that sucker before the typo police arrive and start kicking ass and taking names.

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    Martin

    July 27, 2019 at 9:49 pm

    @jl: My fear is that Trump, having his idiotic policies fail, will opt for even more idiotic policies.

  247. 247.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 27, 2019 at 9:58 pm

    @Brachiator: Back in the 70s I did statistical programming for a bunch of economists. One of them told me that his profession only had two tasks:

    1. Predict what the economy will do next year.
    2. Explain why last year’s prediction of what the economy would do this year was so completely off base.

    Also please note that if all the economists in the world were laid end to end, they still wouldn’t reach a conclusion.

  248. 248.

    jl

    July 27, 2019 at 10:04 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: Usually wrong but never in doubt, also a rotating header at the top of this blog, I see.

  249. 249.

    Kattails

    July 27, 2019 at 10:27 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I’m sorry you’ve felt that your comments have been hit harder than others’. I always pay attention to them as you are coming from a different perspective, which is valuable. For all I know I get slammed regularly for the occasional entry, but generally have no time to check back so can remain oblivious.
    If I remember rightly you also enjoy Robert Frost’s poetry.
    Got in from work rather late, hope you see this. Honestly, I can’t imagine what it would take to uproot and move to a completely different culture, different physical environment. There would be so many challenges on a daily basis. And these are monumentally stressful times even for those who would ordinarily be supportive.
    Ahem, perhaps our fearless leader could take a moment from his admittedly bragging-rights garden and delightful pets to gently remind us that it’s part of the rules to skewer trolls but maybe we need to be not too cranky with each other, (obviously longstanding back-and-forths excepted).

  250. 250.

    J R in WV

    July 27, 2019 at 10:30 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I have to say that I have personally experienced more hostility on this blog and IRL after Orange appeared on the scene. After Modi’s reelection, I feel out of place and unwelcome both in my land of birth and my adopted homeland.

    Well, I know that people can feel emotions that weren’t intended by the speakers. I know you have felt hostility here, and I suspect at least some of that was your feelings rather than the intentions of the commenters.

    Thanks for coming here, and for strong feelings about being here!

  251. 251.

    J R in WV

    July 27, 2019 at 11:02 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    @jl:

    Salutory impeachment, conviction and removal of five corrupt SC justices seems essential to me at this point. But many pompus wise guys here say to not even think about it

    You think we can get 2/3’s of the Senate to go along with that? Just pack the Court, it’s much easier.

    Well, impeachment may be a heavy lift — but what about indictment for hate crimes, conviction and imprisonment?? Hard to participate in court cases from a jail cell~!

  252. 252.

    J R in WV

    July 27, 2019 at 11:13 pm

    @jl:

    @J R in WV: I think you’re a little harsh, there. Hay rake needed? Really? I don’t see anything that offensive in T’s comments.

    Taobhan’s comments are attacking the only political forces who have any chance of fighting Trump going into next year’s election. So that’s why I’m harsh… Taobhan should be working to support those who have any power to use against Trump.

  253. 253.

    J R in WV

    July 27, 2019 at 11:23 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Thanks!

    I am cranky, we tried to load the backhoe onto the tractor today for the first time in a couple of years. It didn’t go smoothly – we couldn’t get the hydraulic hoses to seat at first. Also the hoe was lying on it’s side on the garage floor.

    At first we tried to use the loader bucket to pick up the hoe with chains. That didn’t work very well. Then we finally used a small hammer and a big pin to drain some hydraulic fluid from the hoe, which eventually allowed us to seat the hoses from the tractor.

    Then we could move the hoe around, gingerly. There was carrying of cinderblocks for cribbing the hoe up as we moved it. I’m a little past too old for this kind of work. I can’t believe I was able to fix dinner and am still up typing away after that day’s work.

    Tomorrow we’re going to use the backhoe to pull sediment, sand and leaves from the drains around the place, which will be trucked up to the garden spot and tilled into the fall garden soil. Being on a ridge top it’s pretty poor soil without some amendments.

    The garden is our neighbor’s with whom we share the farm. We’ve known them for a very long time, and sold them their little place for $10 and a handshake. Since then they’re built a nice home up there.

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    CapnMubbers

    July 27, 2019 at 11:48 pm

    @jl: “Be off, or I’ll kick you downstairs!”

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    Steeplejack

    July 28, 2019 at 12:16 am

    @JoeyJoeJoe:

    Great bakery! And Amicci’s right around the corner on High Street is a good Italian restaurant.

  256. 256.

    BroD

    July 28, 2019 at 10:10 am

    I’ve been looking for Governor Hogan’s response to the slurs directed at my hometown.
    …

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