The entire tape is out!
The closest I’ve found to a transcript is from Susan Simpson’s, a DC attorney, Twitter feed, which I’ll excerpt below and provide snarkmentary on:
Here’s the clip/part about Ambassador Yovanovitch.
The bleeped out part was apparently "the ambassador of Ukraine."
Okay who the hell bleeped that out and why?https://t.co/ANIEhCuVm9
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
Now everyone is discussing steel tariffs. Trump expresses frustration that South Korea dare competes with the U.S. steel industry: "Can you believe it." "How we ever got involved in South Korea in the first place, tell me about it."
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
The President apparently slept through the Korean War.
Trump is bragging about his steel tariffs to one of the people at the dinner, and how much steel prices has gone up, and isn't that great. The man then gently corrects him, "I'm not a steel producer, I'm a steel buyer."
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
The President does not seem to understand 19th Century economic policy at all!
Trump: "China didn't become great until the WTO." Trump is explaining how China was going nowhere, then they joined the WTO and bam, like a rocket ship.
Trump is just making up random econ stats, and then everyone around the table goes, "Wow," "Incredible," "Woooww," "Amazing."
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
Trump, laughing: "Can you imagine getting hit by a hundred pounds of drugs?"
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
I got nothing…
Parnas: 'We're in the process of purchasing an energy company in Ukraine that should cut off Russia.'
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
Narrator Voice: Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were not, in fact, in the process of buying a Ukrainian petroleum company!
Parnas: "They're waiting for your support to go on" with oil development, so that they don't lose it all to Russia.
Trump: "How long would they last in a fight with Russia?"— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
Let’s get serious for a minute, Ukraine is fighting for its sovereignty and national integrity, which is something that a nationalist-populist like the President is supposed to be all about. Every day that the US screws itself into the ground over and over again on its foreign and nat-sec policy regarding Ukraine, Europe, and Russia is another day that Ukrainians are being killed so that Vladimir Putin can recreate what he thinks are the necessary boundaries that Russia deserves to have as the Soviet Union’s successor.
The bleeped out part was apparently "the ambassador of Ukraine."
Okay who the hell bleeped that out and why?https://t.co/ANIEhCuVm9
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
Here's the section with the BLEEP – Maddow suggested on her show that, whatever it was, it wasn't because of profanity. https://t.co/jRbkswAQ77
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
As I referenced in this morning’s post, European Union member states provide approximately 2/3rds of all the aid to Ukraine. Which is more than what the US is providing.
Everyone at this dinner party from hell is on Team Reefer, it seems.
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
Can you imagine this crowd with the munchies? No hamberder would ever be safe. And we’d soon experience a strategic KFC gravy shortage! Watching the President mesmerized by the size of his hands, however, might be fun to watch for a few minutes.
Parnas: "We're in the process of purchasing — Ukraine is privatizing one of it's biggest energy companies –"
Naftogaz, if that's what they're referring to, was obviously not in the process of being purchased.
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
It will soon be Pam Bondi’s time in the barrel!
They're wondering why Bernie Sanders hasn't gone "crazier" agains the Democrats, for betraying him or something, and start debating whether Sanders will run for 2020. Someone — maybe Parnas? — just said, laughing, "I hope Biden runs."
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
Ruh Roh! Clean up on aisle Bernie, clean up on aisle Bernie!!!!!
This is killing me. Someone at the table keeps trying to move the conversation to natural gas policy, and I am silently rooting for him because I want to hear that discussion, but Trump keeps bringing it back to the aluminum cars.
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
The President does not seem to know what cars are made of. Who knew?
The table was discussing the embassy in Jerusalem for a bit, but now we're back to the Messiah talk again.
And Trump abruptly ends the dinner, with a joke about having "a long way back."
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
Yep, Parnas, Fruman, Giuliani and a couple of oligarchs have set up an Ultra-Orthodox rabbi in Ukraine with something called the Anatevka Foundation, a fake village on the outskirts of Kyiv for Jewish refugees called Anatevka, and a bogus US scam charity the US Friends of Anatevka. Rudy Giuliani is the Honorary Mayor of Anatevka. And the pet rabbi appears to have declared that the President is the messiah through the use of gematria. Yidee bidee, yidee, bidee, yidee bidee bidee buum! Also, obligatory:
Let’s see where were we? Oh, here we are:
Parnas definitely brings up Biden at several points throughout the dinner, including during this discussion.https://t.co/zuPCG6DlMh
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
I don't think Parnas's referenced to Biden are necessarily significant, though. At this point in time, I'm not convinced the Biden part of the scheme had come together yet.
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) January 25, 2020
And that’s a wrap!
Updated at 10:20 PM EST
I’ve added the three tweets, including the audio clip, where the President says to “take out” Ambassador Yovanovitch.
Open thread!
Jackie
Thanks, Adam! I was hoping you’d weigh in on this!
p.a.
Moe Larry cheese! Moe Larry cheese!…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I was listening to the Very Stable Genius book while doing my chores today, playing “Who was the source for this chapter?” (Bannon’s on the record, so far I’d bet on Kelly and McGahn as anonymous sources). For this:
I wonder if Putin was trump’s source– “They’ve been attacking us forever!”
Adam L Silverman
@p.a.:
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: What worries me about that book is Bannon went on the record. Which tells me he thinks that it will somehow benefit whatever scam he’s working on this week.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: how have I never seen the before pictures of the Stooges? !
NotMax
Open Thread? Recently came across this trailer for an upcoming SF-ish movie. Initial takeaway is it has potential; no release date as yet.
debbie
Oh FFS! Anatevka?
VeniceRiley
In the words of soon to be a mass of unemployed republican officeholders submitting their sketchy CeeVees to Fox/ think tanks/ xtian griftitutions: SO WHAT?
Quicksand
Pffft. I was told the tape would have pee.
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: It’s Tradition!
Mary G
@Adam L Silverman: Bannon’s probably hooked up with Nicolas Fuentes and running a white supremacy movement that thinks there are too many RINOS in the party. They heckled Don Jr. and Kimberly whatshername at UCLA.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Clicking around twitter because it’s the path of least resistance, I find this tweet identifying R Senators who did not vote for trump. Cracks me up that alleged “moderate” Susan Collins voted for Paulie Keg-Stands
She is such a fucking fraud
VeniceRiley
@Mary G: Trump is Bannon’s BoJo and he’s searching for his Farage. I could make a worse comparison ….
zhena gogolia
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That’s the part that jumps out at me. It’s like he’s gotten them confused with Montenegrin mountain tribesmen or something.
clay
@Adam L Silverman: Bannon seems to like spurting his mouth off to show how smarter he is than everyone else.
dr. bloor
Honestly, it wouldn’t be nearly enough at this point.
zhena gogolia
But apart from the Yovanovitch moment and the stupidity, I was kind of disappointed in the material on this tape.
Cheryl Rofer
What I keep coming back to:
Why is the President of the United States consorting with a couple of two-bit goons like Parnas and Fruman?
Also, you left out the part about “taking out” Yovanovich. Those were the words Trump used about Qassem Soleimani after the fact. And why task Parnas and Fruman? They are not in the State Department chain of command.
zhena gogolia
Did Brave Sir Mitt’s latest utterance get dissected here yet?
I can’t believe Lindsay Graham voted for Evan McMullin.
Another Scott
Of course they were talking with him about marijuana. It’s the great new untapped market, with the potential for government sanctioned monopolies (after casinos, it has to be the next frontier).
E.g. the proposal for 10 anointed ones in Ohio in 2015.
Eternal vigilance…
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
kimp
if this is what was secretly recorded by a couple of people that Trump didn’t know, imagine what his regular entourage has heard. Never mind Putin, China or the Saudis.
Patricia Kayden
So have we reached the stage that a President telling thugs to “Get rid of her” is normal? This should be enough to get him removed except that Republicans are putting him above loyalty to our country because Jesus. Madness.
kimp
if this is what was secretly recorded by a couple of people that Trump didn’t know, ( SNORT)imagine what his regular entourage has heard. Never mind Putin, China or the Saudis.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Speaking of oil policy in Europe, during the Cold War, where did Europe get it’s oil for heating? Did the USSR supply it then? I tend to think this wasn’t the case.
Also, why the fuck did Putin think it was a good idea to help put a manchild in charge of the world’s largest nuclear arsenal? For all the talk of how supposedly “smart” he is, that’s pretty stupid to me
trollhattan
Happy Saturday, y’all.
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: I didn’t leave it out intentionally. I’ve been having Dashboard problems and I think I deleted it when trying to fix something else. I’ll add it back up top.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Another Scott:
I remember that back when it was on the ballot in Ohio in 2015. I got the feeling it failed mostly because of reactionary morons who didn’t want recreational marijuana legalized
Martin
@Cheryl Rofer: He’s not. He never heard of them. The recording you just listened to doesn’t exist.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rick-myers-alligator-in-backpack_n_3428110
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@zhena gogolia:
McCain was still alive, and they all thought trump was going to lose
mrmoshpotato
An hour and a half tape?!
Oh fuck no.
Adam L Silverman
@zhena gogolia: I’m very sorry that Balloon Juice was not able to provide you with entertainment value for your money this evening. If you’ll see Anne Laurie on the Mezzanine Level on you way out, she’ll provide a raincheck, three drink coupons (well only), and validate your parking.
Martin
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): They got it from the middle east, which is why they invested so much effort in colonization and overthrowing democratic leaders. Deposing Iran’s leader wasn’t the USs idea, it was the UKs. We just thought it was a good idea and helped out.
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: Because they gave several hundred thousand dollars to his inauguration committee, Parnas had been selling Trump condos since he was in high school apparently, and they’d laundered even more money to the President’s and other senior Republican officials’ PACs and SuperPACs.
zhena gogolia
@Adam L Silverman:
I meant, I thought there’d be more incriminating stuff on it.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Martin:
Couldn’t Trump be repeatedly questioned about this recording? Or basically forced to awknowledge it? He can’t be allowed to ignore this recording.
randy khan
@kimp:
I’m trying to think of what other President this would have happened to, but there are so many things that fall into the same category with him that I guess it isn’t worth the effort.
PsiFighter37
Just confirming that Trump is an idiot, for the millionth time. Not new news.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Martin:
Thanks. Wouldn’t have encouraging mutual democratic values and subsequent good relations have ultimately accomplished the same thing in the end? Iran’s oil company was state-owned in the 50s.
Cheryl Rofer
@Adam L Silverman: And…where did that money come from?
Incurious bunch there.
Adam L Silverman
@zhena gogolia: I know, I was just teasing.
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: The various Russian and Putin aligned Ukrainian oligarchs they’re connected to.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
if you just can’t get enough, there’s also video… it doesn’t look terribly compelling to me, but I wonder how Adam Schiff’s editing skills are ?
chris
@NotMax: Enthusiastically noted! Thanks.
marklar
Man, if somebody can toss 100 pounds of drugs over a 30-foot wall, you’d think the NFL or MMA would be working on visas for them!
Keith P
Does anyone else find it a little scary that the POTUS is recorded on tape by random people as often as we know? I’m getting the impression that everyone who ever meets with Trump wears a wire.
Cheryl Rofer
@Adam L Silverman: Yeah. I had a tweet the other day that just simply would not show up except for the url
The Dangerman
It’s about time for the pee tape to drop, too. Might as well farce this thing to the max.
Cheryl Rofer
@Adam L Silverman: We know there was a million (five million?) from Firtash, and there was just news of another million from one I hadn’t heard of. I really wish some reporter would follow the money.
chopper
oh, we know what it’s like. every day for the last 3 years.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Apparently Fruman put his phone face up on the table once the dinner started so all he recorded from that point on was the ceiling.
Jeffro
@Cheryl Rofer: amen and amen. ANSWER, trumpov! Barring that, ANSWER, GOP Senators, for what you are ignoring this line of questioning!
Jaysus, these clowns…we should all be grateful they are this unbelievably stupid.
Jeffro
@Patricia Kayden: Can you imagine if President Hillz had said “get rid of him/her” about ANYONE?
Literally even her garage door repairman or dog walker. OMGHILLZSAID’GETRIDOFHIM’MURDERESS!!!!
But you know, it’s trumpov + GOP ostriches, so what can you do?
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: And then there’s the oligarch funding the Anatevka scam.
chris
@marklar:Drug-slinging catapult. Yes, really.
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: Don’t get me started.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He knows folk, there are lots of studios in his district.
Adam L Silverman
@Keith P: Add that to the mobile stingray cellular collection units that have been placed all over DC and you might just have a counterintelligence problem.
Jeffro
@Cheryl Rofer: I still want to know more about this Saudi $1B that they supposedly deposited in order to buy our mercenary services er excuse me additional troops.
Actually no I don’t, I just want all US troops home from the Middle East and central Asia, stat. Let them all spin their wheels dealing with each other without our near-kids as bargaining chips for a while.
rikyrah
You can say what you want about
Lev….he’s not going out like that. He brought receipts.???
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Sherrod Brown or somebody ought to counter this
by drafting one for trump, make the Rs vote against it
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro:
PsiFighter37
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: That dude has as punchable a face as Tom Cotton.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It would be really nice if someone would report that it only takes 51 senators to vote to subpoena witness. There are 53 Republican senators. If they really wanted to subpoena and depose Congressman Schiff, VP Biden, and/or Hunter Biden, they don’t need to cut deals with the Democrats, they can just vote to issue the subpoenas all on their own.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman: OMG she ‘offed’ him too???!?
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: Makes you wonder why Gabbard wants to irritate Secretary Clinton…//
Jay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Nope:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_industry_in_Iran
Europe has “always” bought Soviet/Russian oil and gas.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_of_the_Soviet_Union
With the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian oil and gas became more “important” because pipelines already existed to the former Warsaw Pact nations, and many discovered there was good money in being a middleman.
Brachiator
Finally, the Whitey Tapes.
Another Scott
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Meh.
Donnie is brain damaged, but he’s got decades of experience with depositions. Remember, after about a year, he answered written questions for Mueller. He didn’t say anything other than what you’d expect (‘I have know specific recollection’ – that kind of thing). After 4+ years of this stuff, the idea that there’s a smoking gun that will get the GOP to turn on him is madness.
I expect there won’t be any witnesses, no matter Rmoney’s protestations.
But, we’ll see.
Cheers,
Scott.
Cheryl Rofer
@Jeffro: LOL, I think that’s easy. That one doesn’t exist.
I think I saw a couple of reporters say that, but it would be nice if it got as much coverage as the inital word salad.
Kay
He’ll get them, too, paying twice the going rate.
It’s such a weird thing, his campaign – “we will now buy this whole process” – I hope he sets up field offices so I can go look and see. What if they’re crazy-elaborate? I have to see one.
mrmoshpotato
@trollhattan: SNORT!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman: OMG, Hillary offed Mr. Peanut?
Another Scott
@Cheryl Rofer:
MoJo (from yesterday):
I expect more to come out. With any luck, the PayLess warehouses of shoes will come quickly and make an impact.
Cheers,
Scott.
lgerard
@Another Scott:
This is not surprising. I haven’t listened to this because I cannot stand trump’s voice, but one of the things Lev and Igor were indicted for (along with 2 others) was an attempt to bribe a few politicians in Nevada to obtain licenses for distribution of the evil weed. The seem to have been acting for an “unknown Russian” who was financing the operation.
Of course they would boast about this with trump
The Dangerman
@Another Scott:
Don’t they have to have this thing wrapped by the SOTU so Trump can take a victory lap?
No, Donald, not a victory lap dance, victory lap.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman: Total death wish or ultimate fundraising ploy: YOU DECIDE, Dems!
Or just grifting moron? Every quiz needs an option ‘C’
Kay
Bloomberg should poach Trump people. I, for one, would love that. They’ll take off that MAGA hat in a minute for 10,000 dollars.
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
Being allergic, I’m down with offing Mr. Peanut.
In case anybody asks.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Another Scott: They’ll never vote to subpoena trump, I just want to put Collins, Gardner, McSally, Ernst, and Tillis in a bind. And Willard, The Cowardly Lion
ETA: and just talking about a subpoena, daring him to testify, would drive The Beast nuts.
Another Scott
@Another Scott:
knownoSheesh.
Cheers,
Scott.
Bill Arnold
@marklar:
No, machines:
Trump admits his border wall could be defeated by medieval siege technology (Christopher Ingraham, July 14, 2017)
and also this one:
Medieval-style drugs catapult found on US-Mexico border (15 February 2017)
mrmoshpotato
@Adam L Silverman: Scrub a dub dub, they’re all mobster shitpiles who launder money for the Russkis.
Yes, this my shocked face.
trollhattan
@Kay:
So, Bloomberg is basically Google in this campaign. Needs moar slides and ballpits.
Steyer counters by becoming Apple. Daily staff sun salutations to a Steve Jobs poster at 6:30 a.m.
Jeffro
@Cheryl Rofer: It explains why this administration gets away with having few if any presidential* pressers and why the press secretary only goes on FOX: they’re only going to lie or babble or both anyway, so…yeah…it’s just depressing trying to cover sh** like that.
Honestly, it’s one more thing that the RWNJs would never accept in the reverse. I’m trying to picture a Warren or Harris press secretary never giving any WH press briefings, yet showing up on (MSNBC?) every night to give the administration’s spin. Wouldn’t the entire country be immediately gripped by this one person drawing a government paycheck in order to spout partisan BS on a ‘partisan’ network?
Stephanie Grisham, what we’re saying here is, your welfare payments are about to come to an end. Make plans.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
Why not just steal Harris’s campaign data?
If it’s good enough for one billionaire vanity candidate…
trollhattan
@mrmoshpotato:
TBF, the mushrooms involved may have had…properties.
But you know damn well there were firearms somewhere.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Another Scott:
Did I ever say anything to offend you? If I did I sincerely apologize. The reason I say this, is I’ve noticed you never reply to any of my comments to you anymore. Not that you have to, of course, I just want to say I’m sorry if it’s because I said something dumb
Kay
@trollhattan:
Bloomberg should buy Giuliani and then never give him any tasks. For 200k he could take away Trump’s best friend. Only.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kay:
I’m so sick of seeing his ads on TV and YouTube. All he’s trying to do is buy the nomination.
NotMax
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Besides what Martin correctly observed above, coal was a major, major component.
Heck, during the 70s swaths of Britain were cut back to a three day work week during a miners strike.
Another Scott
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I usually don’t reply much to anyone – at least not as much as I should. I’m kinda antisocial like that.
Don’t take offense. :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
trollhattan
@Kay:
By god that’s genius! Big pile of cash and set up a teevee camera with the red light on for him to yell at.
Jay
Kay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I see them on local Toledo news. They used to bug me because they were so braggy, but it seems like he’s shifted. Now I like them because they’re all attacking Trump. People here don’t know who Bloomberg is- they only mention the Trump attacks.
Jeffro
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Seconded. Go for it, Dems!
Looking forward to impeachment articles III-IX
mrmoshpotato
@trollhattan: TBF all-i-gator. :P
Kay
@trollhattan:
They could keep him occupied for a year. Too, this money he wouldn’t have to launder.
Jay
Jay
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Another Scott:
Okie dokie : )
@Kay:
The ones I always see spend like 5 seconds attacking Trump and the rest of the spot is about how Bloomberg “got it done” about the issue de jour as NYC mayor
mrmoshpotato
@Bill Arnold: So they’re bringing 100 pounds worth of drugs, 100 pounds worth of crimes, 100 pounds worth of rapists?
Or is Dump totally chuffing it, oh hi, how old are you?
Shalimar
@zhena gogolia: At least McMullin was actually running. He’s better than pretending Paul Ryan or Mike Pence is the moral choice.
chris
OT_ With the fire hose of news it’s hard to keep up. Puerto Rico was just hit with another 5.0 earthquake. Between the shitgibbon and Mother Nature the place is being destroyed.
mad citizen
Live blogging: snl taking off on turtle, Susan Collins, and an old cast member doing Dersowitz
James E Powell
@Jay:
Is Joseph Bondy the new Michael Avenatti? Don’t talk, just do.
Jay
@chris
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article239469148.html
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@mad citizen: so glad they’re dragging Collins. I hope it sticks. I don’t just want her to lose, I want her to be mocked and humiliated on her way to oblivion
Jay
@James E Powell:
Bondi isn’t a “lawyer to the stars”, he usually deals with drug charges and collectables.
Cthulhu
@Another Scott: Recall that Parnas and pal were working to set up marijuana companies in NV. Those two are just working Trump for each and every one of their gifts they can.
patrick II
It must be very difficult for Trump to carry two titles: President of the United States and King of Fools.
chris
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Anecdata: My aunt lives in southern Maine. She says that her Democrats are fired up and there are a bunch of new people coming out. She’s been guardedly optimistic since they kicked LePage out of the governor’s seat.
Jay
debbie
@mad citizen:
John Lovitz, surprisingly. He’s solidly conservative.
mad citizen
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The Collins character was only on briefly–not much to do with her other than the one joke about about spinelessness. But at least they mocked her as you say/wish.
Jay
Cthulhu
@lgerard: Not so much a boast but an ask. “Please take marijuana off Schedule 1. We can make more cash if the Feds stop enforcement.”
Jay
tomtofa
@Cheryl Rofer:
Parnas, in describing the event, mentions that Trump turned to someone (can’t remember the name, but a government person) to make the “Get rid of her, take her out” comment.
@marklar:
In my younger, stronger, wilder days, I might – might – have been able to toss a hundred pounds of drugs over a 30 foot wall. But there’s no way I would have ;-)
smike
@chris: That whole situation really sucks. And investors are, no doubt, salivating at benefiting from the whole thing.
mad citizen
@debbie: I knew him, just didn’t want to spoil it, though a really mild spoiler. Hoping he’s not a trumpov supporter.
HalfAssedHomesteader
The Feast of the Sycophants. This is Trump’s world every day.
Duane
Imagine Trumpov sat at the dinner table saying these stupid, incriminating thing and he was not drunk.
hitchhiker
Thanks for the Susan Simpson commentary. I’ve been watching her be smart in public since she did her signature deep dive into the Adnan Syed trial investigation documents that Sarah Koenig had so much “fun” with on the Serial podcast a few years back.
Susan is relentless when it comes to sniffing out sources and exposing holes in arguments; she and a couple of other lawyers do a podcast now called Undisclosed, which involves the 3 of them walking methodically through cases of wrongful conviction (chosen by themselves after long investigations of their own) and trying to get guys out of prison.
In one of their cases in Georgia, Susan managed to get a juror on tape explaining how she did some research of her own during deliberations, which convinced her to vote guilty. The research was faulty, of course. And she shared it with the other jurors. (!!)
That guy’s case just might get a new trial, depending on all the machinations of appeals rulings. He lost a habeas petition in front of the Georgia SC, but then, unbelievably, the court let him appeal for reconsideration and changed its mind.
One thing I’ve learned from Susan et al is how very, very hard it is to reverse a conviction. Expensive. Slow. Like, in the 100s of 1000s of dollars expensive, and in decades, not years, slow.
Also that prosecutors can pretty much do whatever they want.
Just One More Canuck
@?BillinGlendaleCA: yes but they would put in a ‘bow-chick a-wow’ soundtrack
brantl
@chopper:
sdhays
“He” didn’t answer those questions; his lawyers, who were absolutely terrified of the “perjury trap” Dump would be walking into if he actually testified, wrote those for him. And even then he was found to have lied in them.
True dat. But video footage of him transparently (and pathetically) lying in his own trial wouldn’t be good for any Republican’s reelection campaign. He lies all the time, but he’s also quite stupid. There’s no way he would be able to deal with a skilled cross-examination in real-time while keeping his story straight – he never has had to before so he never developed that skill. Which is why he will never, ever testify.