“They asked Katherine Johnson for the moon, and she gave it to them.” https://t.co/qq2HChKgzi
— Michael Bennet (@SenatorBennet) February 24, 2020
… As Mrs. Johnson herself was fond of saying, her tenure at Langley — from 1953 until her retirement in 1986 — was “a time when computers wore skirts.”
For some years at midcentury, the black women who worked as “computers” were subjected to a double segregation: Consigned to separate office, dining and bathroom facilities, they were kept separate from the much larger group of white women who also worked as NASA mathematicians. The white women in turn were segregated from the agency’s male mathematicians and engineers.
But over time, the work of Mrs. Johnson and her colleagues — myriad calculations done mainly by hand, using slide rules, graph paper and clattering desktop calculating machines — won them a level of acceptance that for the most part transcended race.
“NASA was a very professional organization,” Mrs. Johnson told The Observer of Fayetteville, N.C., in 2010. “They didn’t have time to be concerned about what color I was.”…
Creola Katherine Coleman was born on Aug. 26, 1918, in White Sulphur Springs, W.Va., the youngest of four children of Joshua and Joylette (Lowe) Coleman. Her mother was a schoolteacher, her father a farmer.
From her earliest childhood Katherine counted things: the number of dishes in the cupboard, the number of steps on the way to church and, as insurmountable a task as it might pose for one old enough to be daunted, the number of stars in the sky.
“I couldn’t wait to get to high school to take algebra and geometry,” Mrs. Johnson told The Associated Press in 1999.
But for black children, the town’s segregated educational system went as far as only sixth grade. Thus, every fall, Joshua Coleman moved his family 125 miles away to Institute, W.Va.
In Institute, Katherine’s older siblings, and then Katherine, attended the high school associated with the West Virginia Collegiate Institute, a historically black institution that became West Virginia State College and is now West Virginia State University.
Mr. Coleman remained in White Sulphur Springs to farm, and, when the Depression made farming untenable, to work as a bellman at the Greenbrier, a world-renowned resort there.
Katherine entered high school at 10 and graduated at 14. The next year she entered West Virginia State. By her junior year, she had taken all the math courses the college had to offer.
Her mentor there, William Waldron Schieffelin Claytor, only the third black person to earn a doctorate in mathematics from an American university, conceived special classes just for her.
“You would make a good research mathematician,” he told his 17-year-old charge. “And I am going to prepare you for this career.”
“Where will I find a job?” Katherine asked.
“That,” he replied, “will be your problem.”…
Then, in 1952, Katherine Goble heard that Langley was hiring black women as mathematicians…
After a lifetime of reaching for the stars, today, Katherine Johnson landed among them. She spent decades as a hidden figure, breaking barriers behind the scenes. But by the end of her life, she had become a hero to millions—including Michelle and me. pic.twitter.com/isG29nwBiB
— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) February 24, 2020
We're saddened by the passing of celebrated #HiddenFigures mathematician Katherine Johnson. Today, we celebrate her 101 years of life and honor her legacy of excellence that broke down racial and social barriers: https://t.co/Tl3tsHAfYB pic.twitter.com/dGiGmEVvAW
— NASA (@NASA) February 24, 2020
Baud
Excellent choice for the morning thread topic, AL.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
debbie
Thanks for this.
Baud
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debbie
@Baud:
I’ve always counted things. I used to make poker hands out of NYC taxi cab numbers while going back and forth to doctors’ appointments. But math has always escaped me.
Baud
Steeplejack (phone)
@rikyrah:
Good morning. ?
Baud
@debbie:
If I were better at math, I would have gone into math. I love it.
OzarkHillbilly
Not exactly the picture I was expecting when I clicked thru.
Baud
rikyrah
So glad that she got recognition and accolades while she was still alive.
RIP, Mrs. Johnson ??
Skepticat
An amazing person. We simply must work hard to support, encourage, and honor others like her (no matter their race or gender) so that there are more like her. And as rikyrah says, it’s wonderful she was honored during her life.
Cermet
Her accomplishments live on; all amerikans should be proud of her double achievements; mastering mathematics at such a high level and partly overcoming the extreme racism that existed. So many young black children and their future talents were lost because of that racism. And still today, even more are lost both to the effects of that blatant past racism and todays more (mostly) hidden racism that still dominates all black lives.
Our lost – both for her current death but more so all the other people like her that could have been but were prevent by racism.
frosty
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satby
@rikyrah: exactly what I thought! So happy that before she passed she got the appreciation she and her co-workers deserved! And good morning!
Patricia Kayden
I’m so happy that I came to know about her and the other African American math geeks via “Hidden Figures”. What an accomplished life despite facing obstacles like racism and sexism. She’s such an inspiration.
Baud
@frosty: Any particular bridges I should stay of?
ETA: you deleted your comment and made me look stupid.
Immanentize
@Baud: Thank you for those tweets. They are particularly classy lauds. Positive vibrations.
rikyrah
Chyron HR
@Baud:
“We need to put an end to identity politics! Why doesn’t anyone celebrate the white working class?” – Bernie Sanders, probably
Baud
@rikyrah:
Sufficiently math related. I’ll allow it.
satby
@Baud: thought you’d enjoy this clip of another black woman talking about *that guy*.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@rikyrah: The ejection rate is what rehab is meant to strengthen. Mine was below normal when I left the hospital after having a heart attack and two stents, like Sanders. After a month of taking it easy, and eight of twelve weeks of rehab, it was near the high end of the range. Sanders’s is going to be low right now.
Ben Cisco
Grateful that her story became known; moreso that it happened while she was still among us.
Fair winds and following seas.
Baud
@satby:
Thanks. I read the tweets but can’t watch the video right now.
satby
@rikyrah: in that 60 minutes interview, which I didn’t watch, some people have mentioned that Sanders’ wording about that heart attack made it seem he’s has more than one. He should release more information, and the fact that he refuses to makes it seem obvious he’s hiding something. Also, vascular dementia is a real risk for his age, history of non-compliance, etc.
Immanentize
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Ejection rate low.
Election rate high.
So odd is this world.
satby
@Baud: watch it when you can. She is an icon in the community. She’s also the old black lady that was going to brain the white Bernie bro who disrupted the meeting of black supporters with her cane until someone stopped her. She takes no shit from anyone.
Baud
@satby:
WHY DID THEY STOP HER???
satby
@Immanentize: it’s insane that people seem to be ignoring that.
frosty
@Baud: Sorry ‘bout that Chief. I thought my comment didn’t fit the tone of the rest of them. And no worries, stormwater not bridges.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Immanentize:
I always thought it sounded vaguely dirty.
Immanentize
@satby: I have no clue how that can happen. It’s like we have created some protective pearl covering over politicians older than 75. That was not how it was in the past. Even Reagan knew his age was a negative during his campaigns. But now, health and age are largely ignored. Perhaps it’s because we have not had a President die in office since FDR?
Baud
@Immanentize:
Did you miss the 2016 election?
Immanentize
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Well, I originally included an “erection” line. But thought better of it.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: It’s because the media lets them all get away with it.
satby
@Baud: probably to keep her from getting arrested for assault. Though the guy totally deserved it. Disrespectful pratt.
Baud
@frosty:
Hell. Storm drains is where I hunt for nutria rats.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: Thursday came and went last week, wasn’t that when you guys were going to get test results? Or is it this Thursday?
edit: time is so weird these days, like we are in some strange stretchy time thingie.
Immanentize
@Baud: I know what you’re talking about, but show me please all the Trump health and age concerns. I explain 2016 as “anything to stop Hillary from getting a mandate — anything!”, Rather than a serious health or age concern. Throwing the kitchen sink is not about kitchen renovation after all.
Baud
@Immanentize:
Ok, that’s fair.
satby
@WaterGirl: @Immanentize: I thought I had just missed an update. How’s the Immp?
Immanentize
@Baud: I use NutraSweet to lure nutria (part of a long Louisiana joke)
WaterGirl
Since things are kind of slow this morning…
In case anybody missed the news of Quinerly’s addition to her family, i put the link to her announcement in Balloon Juice News (in the sidebar and in the hamburger on mobile) and included a photo.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: I am cursing you for making me think about that.
edit: with Sanders’s red face these days, after you comment, my head is filled with the thought of wrinkly raisins. (still cursing you for that, even in the edit)
*in the nicest possible way
Emma from FL
Back to the topic at hand. I have lately been tracking women scientists whose names I didn’t know. My interest — obsession? was triggered by Katherine Johnson’s story. What is so amazing — not in a good way — was that astronauts specifically asked for her to run their numbers; John Glenn once basically told NASA management he would make the flight if her numbers were good. And yet those same men didn’t see anything wrong with the strict segregation geniuses like her and her fellow computers lived under.
White supremacy is a hell of a conscience tranquilizer.
Baud
@Emma from FL:
A valued servant is still a servant.
Immanentize
@WaterGirl: It was last Thursday. Scan shows no active cancer — yay! But there is some troubling fluid in his viscera causing low level questioning concern. He has to have another scan in April when we get back from our trip. I guess I appreciate Dr. Onc’s ever watchful fear of reocurrance; but still — does this post-cancer-surgery cancer watch ever end?
I know, the answer is “no.”
Betty Cracker
Over the summer, before he had his heart attack, Sanders looked and sounded stronger and sharper than Biden to me, even though he’s a couple of years older. Not anymore. Sanders is one of those guys who has always seemed ancient, but he didn’t really change over time.
That’s no longer the case. He looks frail and sick now, red-faced, hunched over and short of breath. I’ve seen family members with heart disease decline when they refused to take care of themselves properly, and it doesn’t improve unless they change their ways.
I don’t know if he’s doing his cardiac rehab out of public view or what, but he looks like death warmed over, and that’s really worrisome. I’m honestly shocked his appearance just over these past few weeks isn’t getting more attention.
zhena gogolia
@Betty Cracker:
It’s getting about as much attention as Twitler’s dementia.
Ken
@Immanentize: Is Nutella also part of the joke?
zhena gogolia
@Immanentize:
I’m glad for the good part of the news.
Immanentize
@Emma from FL: The NY times has been running post hoc obituaries of people they should have honored when they died, but (mostly) racism and sexism kept them from doing so. Many of these post-obits have been about women scientists. Worth checking out to feed your obsession.
Baud
@Immanentize:
Good for them. If only their domestic political desk were as thoughtful.
Immanentize
@Ken: I’ve heard it both ways! But duct tape is in there too.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Immanentize: Oh crap. I won’t say “sorry,” because I’m hoping it’s just normal recovery stuff, but even here on the opposite side of computer screen, that’s disturbing. “Low level.” The concern is “low level.”
Immanentize
@Baud: No hope there. As Kay points out, the domestic political desk is just a platform for book revenues and pundit gigs. It’s a grift.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: That’s a big yay! But damn, I’m sure that having even a low level concern is a big weight on your shoulders. Both of you. Are perfect results too much to ask for ???
It will be a testament to the strength of your character – both of you – that I believe you guys will still manage to have a wonderful cruise in spite of that.
Immanentize
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Low level. It feels like I’m being fed a very small amount of arsenic every day.
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: I look at his face and his hands in the debates, and it’s really striking how red they are.
I read just this morning that Bernie is accusing NBC (?) of using a red filter to make him look read. That’s a pretty good trick to have a filter that only affects one of the multiple people on stage.
Between the media and the traitorous republicans, the call really is coming from inside the house.
Immanentize
@WaterGirl: We will have a great cruise! Unless it is corona-cancelled. Italy and all….
satby
@Immanentize: yay no cancer, and fingers crossed that the fluid is a side effect of the surgery and dissipates by his next scan. Hugs.
Immanentize
@WaterGirl: Didn’t Trump accuse light bulb manufacturers of making him look orange? Hmmmm, new mental disorder — “lighting-look phobia”
satby
@Immanentize: paranoia and accusations of nefarious activities are a common sign of dementia. Just saying…
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: Could you book a backup cruise to a location less troubled by virus concerns? On that can be cancelled without much penalty?
Quinerly
@WaterGirl: good morning! JoJo is a sweetheart! He celebrated my birthday with me and a crowd, live music over the weekend at The Lamy Train Station in Lamy, NM outside of Santa Fe. Hung out like a champ… Calm, easy going, got along with the other dogs. Folks found it hard to believe he’s just 4 months old. He did freak a bit when the SW Chief stopped around 2:00pm. He’s snuggled down under the covers right now, been sleeping with his head on the pillow a paw reached out touching me all night. Sooooo…..Thurs AM he goes to his Aunt Lori and Uncle Dan in Cerrillos for about 11 days while I am in Gallup and the 4 Corners area. They are great with puppy training and my accommodations for the final legs of my trip aren’t pet friendly (this part was added after Poco’s death, and was to be my defense against getting a dog in New Mexico?).
Have a great day everyone and thanks for all your interest and kind words. Means a lot.
Immanentize
@WaterGirl: If the virus takes off in Europe, there will be no such place. I am thinking India is already hiding an outbreak there. Both of us are healthy (considering!) So neither of us are much worried about covid19. Maybe we will have a largely empty ship in the Atlantic to sport about in?
Re backup cruise — as they haven’t yet officially cancelled the trip, $$$ would be lost that I really can’t just toss. The Immp has said that he will be mightily pissed if we get two trips cancelled. If that happens, I will probably send him to stay with the owner of Viking Lines for three weeks just to spread the teenage indignation around.
WaterGirl
@Quinerly: Head on the pillow and paw touching you all night? So sweet.
OzarkHillbilly
@satby:
Hmmm, sounds familiar but just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean trump isn’t out to get me.
OzarkHillbilly
@Quinerly:
You were just taunting the Gods when you did that.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: I was thinking maybe a non-European cruise, but there’s always a boat trip on the Mississippi River! :-)
WaterGirl
@OzarkHillbilly: She wasn’t taunting the Gods, but I would say they might have been laughing at Q as plans were made. :-)
OzarkHillbilly
@Immanentize: @WaterGirl: N Korea is still covid free.
Immanentize
@OzarkHillbilly: By the way, did you ever notice all of Trump’s tweets spell out
O-Z-A-R-K-H-I-L-L-B-I-L-L-Y
if you ad 29 to every letter then subtract 13 from ever other letter but add back in 7 to the letters corresponding to the day and year?
Quinerly
@WaterGirl: yep. Sleeps stretched out like a person. It’s like wants to hold hands/paws. Plus, awesome bladder control for a puppy (or so I have been told, as mentioned this is my first puppy. Only one accident since getting him Wed)
Citizen Alan
Out of morbid curiosity, I read the comments under each of those Tweets from Democrats about Johnson’s death to see how long it would be before a Tweet attacked the Democrat who wrote it. The longest wait was the fourth tweet under Pelosi’s comment. They seemed to be split evenly between Trump Trash and Bernie Trash. Make of that what you will.
MomSense
@Immanentize:
I think I speak for all Jackals when I say we are all on this cancer watch with you. We want NO level concern and we will keep sending all our positive thoughts Immp’s way.
WaterGirl
@OzarkHillbilly: Oh yeah, I believe that. For sure.
Quinerly
@OzarkHillbilly: no one but me thought it would work.
OzarkHillbilly
@Immanentize: You are a co-conspirator eh? I KNEW it!
Immanentize
@WaterGirl: last summer we had booked a river cruise down the Elbe, but the heat left insufficient water in the river to cruise. Cancelled!
OzarkHillbilly
@WaterGirl: ;-)
Nicole
@Immanentize: Thank you so much for the update. Also sending all my good thoughts that the low level of concern turns out to be nothing to worry about. I’m participating in Cycle for Survival next month, which is a fundraiser done by Memorial Sloan Kettering for research dollars for rare cancers. Although breast cancer is the one I’m dealing with, I’m well aware that breast cancer research already gets plenty of money, and it’s the cancers outside of the big 3 that tend to be underfunded. There’s a board where you can put up cards for the people you’re riding in support of, and in addition to putting up the name of a friend of mine who continues to beat the odds against multiple myeloma, I’ll also add “Immp.”
(and yes, I’ll still be undergoing radiation treatment, but I figure if I’m fatigued, it’s a stationary bike and I can pedal very slowly)?
zhena gogolia
@Quinerly:
He’s a beauty!
WaterGirl
@Quinerly: One accident in a week is amazing.
On my last night with my kitty soulmate – I had already made arrangements for the vet to come out the next day, and I swear Quiver absolutely knew it was our last night together – he moved around on the bed many times, but for the entire night he always had at least one paw touching me
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: I wondered what the other cancellation had been. All I can think of is ‘not fair’!!!
Immanentize
Y’all are great. Thank you.
Dusty today in here.
Quinerly
@WaterGirl: ?
?❤️???
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: Quite dusty!
Immanentize
@Nicole: I thank you and Immp thanks you. And take care of yourself, please.
Fuck cancer
Raoul Paste
Now there’s a woman who persisted.
Nicole
@Immanentize: For sure, fuck it in its fucking face.
Nicole
On the topic of the post, my husband read a funny tweet this morning about Katherine Johnson, saying that, like a true badass mathematician, she waited until age 101 so she could die in her prime.?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Nicole: That’s great!
jeffreyw
@WaterGirl: Jo Jo! jfyi: While over there on the right side I got a 404 when I clicked on nominated tags.
WaterGirl
@Nicole: I believe she would approve!
WaterGirl
@jeffreyw: Can you try it again now, please? :-)
Jeffro
@Nicole: LOL stealing that ;)
Democrats give medals to people like Katherine Johnson.
Republicans give medals to people like Rush Limbaugh.
That’s all y’all really need to know, American voters.
eclare
@Quinerly: Just read about and saw the pic of Jo Jo. So cute! Congratulations!
jeffreyw
@WaterGirl: All good!
WaterGirl
@jeffreyw: Thanks for being my canary in the coal mine! It was still in draft mode, so I could see it at the link, but I had forgotten to hit Publish!
laura
@MomSense: definitely speaking for this one. Fretting – it’s my default setting. Sending all the good thoughts and healing powers to the Immp and comfort and Strength to his pap.
OzarkHillbilly
@Nicole: Oooofff.
MomSense
@Nicole:
We are all rooting for you!
Quinerly
@eclare: thank you!
Quinerly
@Immanentize: been thinking about you. Glad for the update. You guys got this. I feel it in my heart.
japa21
Since it is an open thread, just wanted to wish everybody a happy paczki day.
WaterGirl
@japa21: Cole sent me some of those last year! I had never heard of them before that. We don’t have them here.
Leto
@Immanentize: @Nicole: Daily reminder: fuck cancer.
Avalune and I are off on a magical adventure today of 1) heading to my hematologist to hopefully get off this damned Eliquis and 2) back to my base to resubmit (hopefully third time is the fucking charm) my retirement paperwork. I’m probably stopping by my base commander’s office to get her involved with this because this is a simple matter that’s been thrice fucked, and she’s pretty invested in me/my post mil career. Also found out yesterday that my civilian side disability retirement claim, of course, has issues and will need to be refilled. Morton’s salt….
rikyrah
japa21
@WaterGirl: One of the true pleasures in life that I can credit to marrying a girl with Polish heritage. In Chicago, every local news program shows bakeries around the area selling them.
OzarkHillbilly
@japa21: Here in Real Amurika ™ we call those “jelly filled donuts”. What are you, some kind of elitist libtard???
rikyrah
@Immanentize:
Sending positive thoughts for Little Imma ???
About the trip???
rikyrah
Imma,
How about an Alaskan cruise?
japa21
@OzarkHillbilly: Yep
Miss Bianca
@WaterGirl: Mama mia, those ears! And I thought my Watson looked like Dobby the House Elf!
PenAndKey
@rikyrah: He honestly thinks that the justices most likely to vote against his policies are going to recuse themselves because they called him out in public? Yeah, if that doesn’t scream “red meat for the Fox crowd” I don’t know what does.
My guess? He’s once again trying to delegitimize his political opponents. Since he can’t fire either of them he’s obviously taken the angle of trying to marginalize them. I swear to every god that people consider holy, if anyone utters the phrase “we need to look forward, not backward” after his administration is finally over I’ll happily show up to their office in person to let their staff know, at length, how stupid they’re being. We’re going to need our own Truth and Reconciliation Commission by the time this is all over.
Kathleen
@Immanentize: Delurking to wish peace of mind and health for you and Immp. Take care of yourself as well.
jeffreyw
@japa21:
I saw some of those in Kroger’s the other day. They were a couple of days early, I guess.
Kathleen
@Nicole: Holding you in light.
Miss Bianca
@Immanentize: Wishing all the best to you and Immp this morning, dearie.
Exregis
I worked at NASA Langley Research Center in the late 70’s and early 80’s. “Computers” were no longer doing any calculations at the time. My task was to implement (write compilers for) new languages for the shuttle to replace assembly language, among them HALMat and Ada, using LALR(1) parser generators I was also working on. NASA kept “computers” on until their retirement but had difficulty finding things for them to do. I worked briefly with two (white female) “computers”: one was a factotum — picking up listings from the centralized printing area, getting supplies, etc. The other worked on some nebulous education project for school kids and asked for my expertise as a former math professor.
I never heard of Johnson until the movie, but I relate to her story. I myself worked fulltime as a “computer” for GE, doing failure analysis graphs for the Gemini fuel cells (all of which failed) based on tests managed by GE’s dedicated mainframe, trying to make enough money to start and finish my senior year.
Sloane Ranger
Anything from the current POTUS, Vice POTUS, Senate majority leader yet? No, I didn’t think so!
JPL
@WaterGirl: Why in the nicest of ways?
JPL
@Immanentize: You should have a back up just in case. Does Immp have any ideas. I gotta say any level of concern sucks and I’m so sorry you both have to go through this.
Someday we’ll be a soppy wet blog of happy tears when he graduates from college.
Leto
@Exregis: that sounds pretty cool :)
Nelle
So glad to hear that test results for Imp, while not perfect, are encouraging.
And, as a former Alaskan, I heartily endorse a trip up the Inside Passage. We did it on the Alaska State Ferry, which is stripped down minimal travel (we made sandwiches from supplies we brought in a cooler) but we needed our car as we then drove from Haines to Fairbanks. The best time is June or July to get the long northern summer days.
schrodingers_cat
Kristellnacht is unfolding in Delhi can some frontpager frontpage this. Thanks.
Immanentize
@OzarkHillbilly: The real ones are filled with a plum.
Immanentize
@Leto: I hate to say it, but misery does indeed enjoy company! I of course wish you the best in the battles. Too much salt is bad for the hearty!
WaterGirl
@japa21: I grew up in Chicago in a polish / bohemian neighborhood filled with awesome bakeries, one of which was around the corner from me
edit: i still haven’t found a good kolache anywhere since. (sp?) I bet your wife can make them.
zhena gogolia
@Jeffro:
Just that video that Anne Laurie posted yesterday of Pete talking to the little boy, I thought, what a relief to see normal, caring human beings again. Can’t we have that in our lives again instead of this constant stream of malignancy?
Quinerly
@Nicole: just seeing this. Sending positive thought.
laura
@schrodingers_cat: Your diligence in shining a light on the political/religous strife is very much appreciated.
glory b
@Cermet: That hair, those earrings, that scarf, she looked great!
One thing I remember about the movie Hidden Figures was that the African American employees spent so much time going back and forth to the bathroom because they had to walk across the whole facility to get to the segregated rest rooms.
WaterGirl
@Miss Bianca: Aren’t they amazing? I wonder if he will grow into them, like big paws.
japa21
@WaterGirl:
Yes she can. And great pierogis.
WaterGirl
@JPL: I was cursing Imm in the nicest possible way for putting that awful thought in my head, on account of I like Imm.
eclare
@schrodingers_cat: John Oliver’s long bit (about twenty minutes) was about this this past Sunday. Cannot link as I’m on my phone, but worth a Google if you haven’t seen it.
WaterGirl
@japa21: Shit, that’s my other one that I would KILL for.
I had a hard enough time trying to spell kolache, I didn’t want to screw up pierogis, too, so I didn’t mention it in my previous comment.
WaterGirl
@japa21: what fillings does she use for the kolaches? My favorites growing up were apricot and poppyseed. I also like cherry if it’s really sour cherries and not just goop.
How about the pierogis? What flavors? Love love love potato and onion. Potato and cheese is good, too. It’s been so long, I am forgetting the other typical fillings.
edit: so jealous!
schrodingers_cat
@laura: Thanks. Its the least I can do. I have seen this movie before.
japa21
@WaterGirl: Her favorite is apricot, I love the cherry.
As to pierogis, sauerkraut, mushroom are favorites here.
dww44
@Betty Cracker: Actually, there’s only about a year’s difference in ages between the two. From the very first of this campaign season, I’ve railed about the septuagenarians among our candidates. I blame them and their egos for usurping spaces that rightfully belong to those younger than these two. Biden’s vascillation about when/and if to get into the campaign really harmed the Democratic field. Both of them are too old. If elected, Bernie will be 79 1/2 years at inauguration. Biden will be 78. Bloomberg splits the difference and will be 3 weeks away from 79 on Inauguration day in 2021.
Not only do they look too old, excepting Bloomberg perhaps, they are too old. As one of their generation I can say this. Electing one of them is just too problematical for our democracy and for the Democratic party.
WaterGirl
@japa21: I am allergic to mushrooms, but sauerkraut? Yes!
Still jealous.
Maybe she could share her recipes for pierogis and koloches? I have tried a couple of koloche recipes and they are not right!
Sasha
A brilliant mathematician who died at 101 — in the prime of her life. :D
Brachiator
@Nicole:
Love it! Thanks.
And my best to you.
Ruckus
@Immanentize:
As a cancer owner, I’ll answer. No, it never really goes away. You can have great reports, but you are in remission, not cured. I get checked every six months and review with my oncologist. The longer I go with good reports the farther apart my checks will be spaced. But I was told they would continue for the rest of my life.
J R in WV
@Immanentize:
My grandmother had psoriasis back in the days before actual drugs. So she was prescribed arsenic in an increasing dose as she developed a tolerance for the poison. By the time she reached an effective dose, she was taking enough as my dad once said “To kill a troop of boy scouts!”
I never knew that back when she was alive and kicking, fixing holiday meals, doing big flower beds, etc.