Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

Sadly, media malpractice has become standard practice.

Come on, man.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

Let’s finish the job.

You are so fucked. Still, I wish you the best of luck.

Donald Jessica Trump found guilty as fuck – May 30, 2024!

Balloon Juice has never been a refuge for the linguistically delicate.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

You know it’s bad when the Project 2025 people have to create training videos on “How To Be Normal”.

Ron DeSantis, the grand wizard, oops, governor of FL.

I’m more Christian than these people and I’m an atheist.

Republicans: The threats are dire, but my tickets are non-refundable!

“Joe Biden deserved better than he got from some folks in his own party.”

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

If you cannot answer whether trump lost the 2020 election, you are unfit for office.

The fight for our country is always worth it. ~Kamala Harris

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Washington Post’s Catch and Kill, not noticeably better than the Enquirer’s.

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

Somebody needs to explain to DeSantis that nobody needs to do anything to make him look bad.

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

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Establishment media is addicted to the idea of “tough decision”. You know how it goes, Bush wants to go to war with Iraq, Dems don’t, but it’s a tough decision: I mean sure liberals don’t like war but what about letting Hitler 3.0 run free? Or in 2009, Dems want to run up the deficit to help the poor but Republicans want fiscal discipline, so it’s a tough decision. Now, it’s Trump wants to let people die to help the economy while Dems are softies who want to save the lives of all sick elderly moochers and looters at the expense of the all-important job-creators.

Even when it’s phrased in a way that is critical of Trump, it’s bullshit. The way this thing works, it doubles every five days. When they talk about half the population getting it and 1% of them dying, that doesn’t mean those 1.6 million people die gradually over the next fifteen years. It means there’s one week where half a million people (or more) die. One week where’s five million people in the ICU?

You think that wouldn’t tank the economy too?

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  1. 1.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than 10 to 20 million dead, tops – depending on the breaks.

  2. 2.

    PsiFighter37

    Wilmer is going to stick around for the next debate. Guess he needs something to look forward to while sitting at his lake house in Vermont and missing Senate votes.

    I hope the DNC just cancels the last debate outright and deprives that shithead of his free airtime. Don’t give a podium to someone who has zero chance of winning the nomination.

  3. 3.

    PsiFighter37

    Also, about this: sending everyone back to work would be the worst freakin’ idea. I can tell you for sure that a) big-state governors will simply ignore the directive – there is no way Cuomo, Newsom, or any of the governors who don’t have heads up their ass completely will obey; and b) overfilling hospitals with infected people who simply treat life BAU will tank the economy even harder.

    Of course, Trump is too fucking stupid to get it. Mnuchin is as well – all he cares about is his slush fund.

  5. 5.

    chopper

     

    @PsiFighter37:

    the WH gets it. trump doesn’t but his advisors do. it’s all about putting the blame on the “democrat governors” for any and all economic fallout. “i wanted everyone to go back to work but those assholes kept it shut down”.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    @PsiFighter37:

    Asked by Stern whether she hated Sanders for the long primary campaign he ran against her in 2016 and the slowness with which he offered his eventual endorsement, Clinton said “I don’t hate anybody,” before adding about the time it took Sanders to endorse her: “He could have. He hurt me, there’s no doubt about it.”

     

    Then she delivered the dagger: “And I hope he doesn’t do it again to whoever gets the nomination. Once is enough.”

     

  8. 8.

    Wapiti

    @chopper: And Florida will serve as the counter-example, where people go back to work, die, and the economy still is lousy. People won’t be travelling to Disney World this year.

  9. 9.

    Jay

    Greta Thunberg says she and her father have Covid-19 symptoms and that it's "extremely likely" she contracted the coronavirus. "We who don’t belong to a risk group have an enormous responsibility," she said on Instagram, noting that they were in isolation.https://t.co/QvIartASgW— The New York Times (@nytimes) March 24, 2020

  10. 10.

    lurker

    would be nice if all we wanted at this point was our peace of mind

    …

    seems like the people living in competition in this situation are groups (states, e.g.) competing for pretty vital things like respirators, masks, etc.

    …

     

    or was Boston not the reference?

  11. 11.

    Citizen Alan

    @PsiFighter37:

    I hope the DNC just cancels the last debate outright and deprives that shithead of his free airtime.

    No, the Berners will go berserk and the MSM will go along with it and start spreading conspiracy theories about “Biden’s unfitness.” I say the hold the debate and Biden goes in and acts like a President. Frame every answer to show how much better he’d be than Shitgibbon. Don’t even worry about Bernie. As much as possible, pretend he’s not there.

  14. 14.

    Jay

    @Wapiti:

    Hollywood Reporter says Disneyland will reopen April 1,

    Florida Governor says people travelling to Florida will have to self quarentine for 14 days or face jail time,

    After allowing hundreds of thousands to gather for Spring Break, get infected, and disperse all across the country , ( and world).

  17. 17.

    BigHank53

    Most of these numbnuts–like many Americans–have only ever seen somebody die on TV, where it’s gracious and meaningful and happens two minutes before the commercial break. It’s not messy and horrible and the hospital bill never arrives on TV either.

  18. 18.

    Mike J

    A half million in a week is about 200 9/11s.

    And now that there are cases on the USN Teddy Roosevelt (5000 crew on a boat with no place to hide), it really looks like a national security issue.

  25. 25.

    Mnemosyne

    Ugh. My old high school friend’s sister is a pediatrician in NYC who probably has Covid-19. She has three small kids.

    My college friend is an ICU nurse in central California who says she’s never seen anything like this.

    It’s creeping closer and closer. 

  26. 26.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: and his cultists will be there for them

    guy fieri 2020 campaign manager@libbycwatson Mar 20

    it was hard for me to write this—I realized I would literally rather think about the global pandemic that might kill me and my loved ones than the fact that bernie sanders lost

  27. 27.

    Jeffro

    So very much bad info, bad/no science, bad reasoning, bad motives, and bad people in general out there.

    We will get past this, somehow, and then a) make the bastards pay and b) build something new, stronger, and better – and say “never again”

  28. 28.

    Mnemosyne

    @PsiFighter37:

    Here’s the thing: if Wilmer had said, My doctor has advised me to stay in self-quarantine out of an excess of caution, but I am in conference with the Democratic caucus every day working on the bill and fighting for you, people would be fine with that. But he can’t say that, because he’s a fucking narcissist who needs to be the center or attention and can never show even the slightest hint of weakness.

  29. 29.

    WaterGirl

    @Mnemosyne: Shit’s getting real, just as we knew it would.

    I think this will be like losing a parent – even though with my mom we knew it was coming for 18 months, and we were as emotionally prepared as we could possibly be, you can’t really “get” it until it happens.

    I think we are in for a very rude awakening.  Even for those of us who have been paying attention.

  31. 31.

    Jay

    @Mnemosyne:

    HR added as the last line in an article about the death of a Disney World employee, from Covid19. Their latest statement is that their parks and Universal Studios will now remain closed until at least April 19th,

    But their websites are still showing an April 1st opening.

  33. 33.

    Brachiator

    @Citizen Alan:

    No, the Berners will go berserk and the MSM will go along with it and start spreading conspiracy theories about “Biden’s unfitness.” I say the hold the debate and Biden goes in and acts like a President.

    When is the next primary supposed to be held. Sanders is becoming a historical footnote.

    I agree that if there is another debate, Biden should just act like the presumptive nominee of the party.

  34. 34.

    WaterGirl

    @Mnemosyne: Even if we make it through, I think we will all lose people we know to this, and I think it’s going to be a shock.  There will definitely be a disturbance in the force.

  36. 36.

    PsiFighter37

    @Mnemosyne: The asshole has been doing livestreams about COVID-19, which consists of him and his congressional supporters who should know better but are illustrating themselves to be less than useful (e.g. the Squad, minus Pressley) in propping up a campaign that is getting demolished by a wider margin than Clinton was doing so.

    How can it not occur to supposedly smart people that voters don’t actually like Bernie and his stupid fucking revolution, but that they really didn’t like Hillary Clinton, for a myriad of (largely trivial and unjustifiable) reasons?

  37. 37.

    Mnemosyne

    @dmsilev:

    Trust me, they are freaked the fuck out and sent EVERYONE home as soon as possible. The parks are so huge and had so many hotel guests that it took a few extra days to wind everything down. We are all working from home until further notice.

  38. 38.

    James E Powell

    An ER doctor in Los Angeles (cousin of a friend) just posted a facebook video saying he’s positive for COVID-19, describing the symptoms, and asking people, particularly younger males like him, to stay at home.

  39. 39.

    Alex

    These are the same commentators so enamored of “hard choices” that must be made in service to the abstract goal of deficit reduction— always cuts to already skimpy safety net programs. The hard choices they long to see are never increased taxes on corporations or cuts to defense boondoggles. That’s not romantically “hard.” I am still surprised to see them touting Aktion T4 as the next hard choice for manly courageous leaders. I really thought there was some kind of floor there that would prevent mainstream commentators from blowing all the fuses in Godwin’s Law.

  40. 40.

    Mnemosyne

    @WaterGirl:

    I have several friends and family members who are doctors or nurses so, yeah, it’s very scary times. So far, all of my non-medical friends and family are being sensible, but who knows in a couple of weeks when they get bored and restless?

  42. 42.

    Mnemosyne

    @PsiFighter37:

    How does anyone realize that their love object is not universally beloved? I would say that it should be part of being an adult, but I know way too many grown-ass adults who still don’t grasp the concept.

  43. 43.

    WereBear

    @Mnemosyne:

    who knows in a couple of weeks when they get bored and restless?

     
    I’m afraid it won’t be… quiet… then.

    They might have more incentive then. Right now, it’s still abstract. Some people have trouble imagining extrapolations.

    But it will get real.

  44. 44.

    Jay

    @Mnemosyne:

    It’s the 4th week of shutdown here. So far people (for the most part) are taking it well. Bored, some, restless, others,…..

    In the long run however, it’s going to be less Outbreak, Contagion, I Am Legend, World War Z,….

     

    and more The Shining.

  45. 45.

    Mnemosyne

    @WereBear:

    Did I mention that my old friend’s other sibling is an ER doctor in Texas?

    Yeah, she’s pretty freaked out right now, and for good reason.

  46. 46.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @PsiFighter37: Biden was on The View today, a phenomenon I don’t get but… as he was appearing Rose Twitter was doing their “Where’s Joe?” thing. I’d bet $50 that more people saw Biden with Whoopi and Meghan than watched watched whatever the hell Bernie apparently did over the weekend on-line.

    He was also on CNN and MSNBC

  47. 47.

    PsiFighter37

    @Mnemosyne: Have heard from friends of mine / my wife who are located in Seattle, LA, and NYC that it’s bad and getting worse, especially when it comes to medical supplies. All of them have young kids / infants.

  50. 50.

    WaterGirl

    @Mnemosyne: At least yours started out sensible.  My BIL (65+ with health issues) flew to Florida with his buddies for some big celebration at a bar for St. Patrick’s Day, spent 5 days there and returned last Saturday.

    So fucking selfish and irresponsible.  I love him dearly, but geez.  My sister asked him not to go, his daughters pretty much begged and pleaded with him not to go, but he went anyway.  Now everyone gets to count to 14.  We hope.

  51. 51.

    andy

    we lost 2500 on 9/11, and everybody lost their shit. the only thing that would save The Leader if a half million died in a day is that they wouldn’t die all at once on live tv.

  54. 54.

    Jay

    There have been days over the past 3 yrs when I thought this country could sink no lower. But seeing not just Trump, but a sizable swathe of business & political leaders attempt to walk this country in to catastrophic human suffering for the sake of the stock market is the nadir.— Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) March 24, 2020

  55. 55.

    Another Scott

    With a presumptive nominee, Ds hold sizable adv in Electoral College, w baseline of 289 in Negative Partisanship Model. AZ toss up▶️lean D, GA lean R ▶️toss up, TX likely R ▶️lean R.

    See my work now @NiskanenCenter & sign up for new email list!https://t.co/bFaZO9Jpvb pic.twitter.com/9lU76pXPtU— Rachel "The Doc" Bitecofer ??? (@RachelBitecofer) March 24, 2020

    We have to do what we can to get through COVID-19, but we have to remember that this is much, much worse because of incompetence and dangerous decisions by Donnie and the GOP.

    Eyes on the prizes.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  56. 56.

    Fair Economist

    @Mnemosyne: My SIL was planning to go to the beach in FL (yeah, one of those). But the day before her boss came in and said he was closing the facility because he had been exposed. So she’s at home.

  60. 60.

    Another Scott

    Meanwhile, via Charlie Pierce – DefenseNews:

    WASHINGTON — Amid heightened tension with Iran, the U.S. Navy is operating two carriers in the Middle East, and all signs point to increasing pressure from U.S. Central Command to maintain aircraft carrier presence that has ebbed in recent years as the U.S. focuses on competition with China and Russia.

    The Navy announced March 20 that aircraft carriers Dwight D. Eisenhower and Harry S. Truman, and their respective escorts, are operating with a B-52 bomber in the Arabian Sea to demonstrate “combined joint capability and interoperability to plan and conduct multi-task force operations in the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility.”

    The image of two carriers operating together in the Arabian Sea recalled the late-2010 decision by then-CENTCOM head Gen. Jim Mattis to force the Navy to surge two carriers to the Arabian Gulf as the Obama administration pursued a carrot-and-stick approach to force Iran to the negotiating table over its nuclear program.

    [image]

    The two-carrier presence requirement in place for more than two years exacted an enormous toll on the service, with Navy leaders warning it was unsustainable.

    The two-carrier presence nearly broke the Navy’s ability to project power with its carriers and sent deployments skyrocketing to nine months and more as the readiness accounts depleted to dangerous levels. Now, with tensions escalating over rocket attacks on U.S. bases that have killed American personnel, the Navy is once again being asked to show the flag.

    But some experts and former senior Navy officials warn there is very little evidence that Iran is deterred by the presence of two carriers. Though they do note there’s ample evidence that the deployment draws forces away from operations aimed at deterring China and Russia — something on which the U.S. is supposed to focus per its National Defense Strategy. Furthermore, they told Defense News that the payoff for maintaining two carriers in the region may not be worth the stinging toll it exacts on Navy readiness, adding that pursuing such as strategy will reverse the hard-won readiness gains of recent years.

    […]

    Donnie is breaking everything, everywhere. We must vote him and his enablers out.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  61. 61.

    sdhays

    @PsiFighter37: I heard Sanders interviewed on the Snooze Hour tonight and what I heard was pretty good, basically supporting the Democratic position. FWIW.

  63. 63.

    terben

    The way this thing works, it doubles every five days.

    Every two to three days is a better estimate.

  64. 64.

    Jeffro

    @Villago Delenda Est: I’m down with that, but given their age demographics, COVID-19 might just take care of half of them.

    It’s ridiculous.  It’s beyond parody.  Sensible countries don’t do this and god willing, they’ll be the next super powers.

    The TCNJ death cult sure as hell can’t have this one.

  65. 65.

    Patricia Kayden

    It really doesn’t though. No country’s borders are so secure that they’ve been able to keep the virus locked out. And by the time Trump restricted travel from China in early February it was already spreading in the states. https://t.co/y31FUEyRvb— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 25, 2020

  66. 66.

    Duane

    Maddow called out Missouri’s Governor Parson, among others, for his chickenshit leadership. About half the state is under city and county stay at home orders. I’m wondering about eventual criminal charges against him. His lack of action in the face of all evidence seems, at the least negligent.

  67. 67.

    Brachiator

    @sdhays:

    I heard Sanders interviewed on the Snooze Hour tonight and what I heard was pretty good, basically supporting the Democratic position. FWIW.

    That’s actually good to hear. It would be good to see Sanders bow out gracefully.

  68. 68.

    Kirk Spencer

    @terben: With everyone knowing there are not enough tests using the CDC reported numbers:

    March 18 – 10442 cases

    March 19 – 15219 cases

    March 20 – 18747 cases

    March 21 – 24583 cases (over double 3 days prior)

    March 22 – 33404 cases (over double 3 days prior)

    March 23 – 44183 cases (over double 3 days prior)

    March 24 – per other reports we’re already at 54808, may be a few more before CDC officially logs the number. Still, more than double 3 days prior.

    My guess is that we’ll see another 6-8 days of this curve till California’s shut in order starts showing effects, a slightly slower curve as other states’ orders start showing effects. Given the way it’s playing out this slowdown will spark Trump’s claims that we’ve beaten the virus.

    Nevermind that by the curve we’ll be well over 250,000 cases and a few thousand dead.

  69. 69.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @Brachiator: Unfortunately, the next primary was held tonight, in Utah. Bernie won with 38% of the vote, and Biden with 18%.  It being Utah, you would have also had a hefty dose of Republican rodent fornication.  Plus Utah… we ain’t ever gonna get that state.

    The media has not noticed (thankfully) but the brigading assholes on reddit have pushed that to the front page. Not like it’s gonna change anything, but I’m sure that it’s going to convince Bernie to keep stabbing the democrats in the back. for a while alas…..

     

    Edit: Nobody -> The media

  70. 70.

    Kattails

    @Jay: Oh, I just spoke with my mother (91) in Florida and complained about the gov. letting the kids in, and she said it was their parents’ fault for giving them the money to go. And that there are two drive-through testing sites in the state right now. ??? This is why she and I never talk politics.

  71. 71.

    scott (the other one)

    The left really needs to not only internalize just how bad the FTFNYT has gotten/has been for decades, but figure out what the hell to do about it, since as overblown as the FTFNYT’s ego is, institutionally, it really does have a truly substantial and adverse effect on public discourse.

    Yes, yes, there are many excellent people working there, but the ones at the top are terrible and absolutely bound and determined, for whatever reason—fear of the right, legit hatred of hippies, kompromat—to kneecap Democrats at each and every damn opportunity, whilst simultaneously prostrating themselves before the right.

    From Whitewater to Iraq to their bothsideserisms over the unprecedented destruction of norms by Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump, the FTFNYT has been a net negative for this country and the world for over 20 years now. And the left has got to come to grips with that, and take it into account moving forward.

  72. 72.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @Kattails:  Florida:  The “Control” state.

     

    (As in let’s have a control in this experiment to see how bad Covid-19 is if we do NOTHING)

  75. 75.

    Brachiator

    @Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]:

    Unfortunately, the next primary was held tonight, in Utah. Bernie won with 38% of the vote, and Biden with 18%.

    Wow. Utah. Bernie must feel energized over this result.

  76. 76.

    Brachiator

    @terry chay:

    Keep trying to kick that football, Charlie Brown.

    If he actually gave a damn other than himself, he’d be in D.C. holding the line with the other D senators.

    I’m not a Sanders partisan. I would like to see him get with the program, and I would like to see Warren formally endorse Biden.

    But whatever they decide and whenever they decide it, the world moves on.

  77. 77.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @Brachiator: Any excuse to bring down the “Currupt Erstablishment” for those people.

    He should have dropped out ages ago, but we both know he’s been a spoiler, like Nader, at heart for a while.

  81. 81.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @Another Scott:  Thank you for the correction.  I didn’t realize that the actual primary was nearly a month ago. With the insane speed that, well EVERYTHING. has happened ( Covid-19 AHHHHH!!!!) time seems to be a bit unglued.

    Again, thank you for pointing that out.

  82. 82.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Brachiator: I think the problem is less Sanders bowing out gracefully and more him getting out early.

    I’m still seeing Sanders’s supporters badmouthing the shit out of Biden and his response to the virus as compared to Bernie, who had fireside chats that few people watched and who raised money “to fight the epidemic” that isn’t helping anyone.

     

    Untilmjengets out and says “Joe Biden is who we all have to support” his idiot followers will keep dragging Biden.

  83. 83.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Brachiator: Yeah, but Left Twitter told me we couldn’t trust any results during the pandemic because elections were illegitimate when the voters were afraid of coming to the polls.

     

    Or at least any results that showed Biden winning.

  86. 86.

    randy khan

    Trump is setting himself – and us! – up for the worst of all possible worlds, and he probably has no idea.

  87. 87.

    Jay

    Mothers can't find enough food for their children because panicked shoppers are buying all the WIC-eligible items.

    “Food runs out quickly at the house, and we can’t always trust that the stores are going to have WIC-approved food during this pandemic.” https://t.co/gxD5XBKksR— julia reinstein ? (@juliareinstein) March 23, 2020

  88. 88.

    cmorenc

    Trump is literally betting that when he cuts back restrictions, the economy will begin visibly recovering sufficiently that a majority of the voting electorate will turn out to be numbly, passively accepting of a substantial number of COV deaths (mostly weaker, older folks).  That same dynamic got Trump through ripping kids from parents and putting both in separate cages – sure, a huge number of folks did turn out in person to vocally protest that, but so far, he’s gotten mostly away with it in significant part because too much of the population was thinking Trump is producing a good economy, what-me-worry.

    Of course, a huge difference here is that by worsening the COV epidemic, the economic downturn is deepened and lengthened instead of fixing it.  The other: with the INS caging of kids, parents, and olds alike  – it wasn’t middle-class natural-born folks’ moms and dads or grandkids who were caged and sick, at risk of death.  This time, it will be personal.

    Of course, Trump also has narcissistic cravings for attention in play, as well as the above-described calculated bet (albeit, the calculations are sloppy and the evidentiary basis for them he pulled out of his ass).

  89. 89.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I’ve been tracking confirmed infected rather than deaths since it’s a leading indicator, and I’m sorry it is going to get bad in Louisiana.  I don’t know the levels of lockdown in that state, but Florida is ahead of Louisiana on confirmed infected.

    The entire deep south is going to be incredibly bad.

  90. 90.

    Pittsburgh Mike

    Dude, you’re way too optimistic.  You would soon have 200 million people ill, and an overwhelmed health system where people can’t get ICU slots.  What happens then is simple: no 1% fatality rate, but instead a 3-4% rate instead.  Times 150-200 million gives a range of 4.5-8 million deaths over the course of a couple of months.

    And not all old people by any means.  Probably 30-40% are 40s or younger.  I’m pretty sure that once those numbers started coming in, you’ll see panic beyond anything compatible with a booming economy.

  92. 92.

    Jay

    These days can be difficult.

    ♥️ asking for help is brave.

    Suicide Prevention800-273-8255

    Substance Abuse/Mental Health Helpline 1-800-662-4357

    Sexual Assault Hotline 800-656-4673

    Domestic Violence Hotline800−799−7233

    Crisis Text Line: Text HELLO to 741741

    — Piper Perabo #StayHome (@PiperPerabo) March 24, 2020

  93. 93.

    Jay

    NEW: There is a crucial ventilator shortage. Meanwhile, hospitals can't repair ventilators because of the lobbying and monopolistic practices of ventilator manufacturers https://t.co/5S5s3BrH8T— Jason Koebler (@jason_koebler) March 18, 2020

    People like this guy Frank have been collecting ventilator repair manuals and posting them online. The problem is manufacturers have threatened to sue him: https://t.co/kvucvvZhed— Jason Koebler (@jason_koebler) March 18, 2020

  94. 94.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @cmorenc: That is going to be darkly hilarious, since the drivers of the economy are overwhelmingly in blue states that will tell Trump to pound sand. Red states will have significantly higher mortality, and have a lesser ability to affect the market. (Edit: In the short term, meaning this year)

    Finally, attempting to force blue states to “bend knee” to Trump, In an election year, are laughable. Blue states can hold out until after the election, and Trump burnt all of his good will within the first 6 months. Other options that we don’t talk about here, would be even worse for him.

  98. 98.

    scott (the other one)

    @PIGL: Poor wording on my part. I’m not saying it’s legit to hate hippies. I’m saying they legitimately hate hippies, and don’t just pretend to “for balance.”

  99. 99.

    randy khan

    @Pittsburgh Mike:

    I think it could get bad, but from what I can tell there’s no reason to think the actual death rate is 2%, as there easily could be 5-10 times as many undiagnosed cases as diagnosed cases, given that many people are asymptomatic or don’t get it bad enough to realize what it is.  That said, even at .2%, if 100 million got it that would be 200,000 deaths and, as you say, the impact of ICUs being overwhelmed would ramp that up considerably, maybe to a million. 200,000 deaths is more than the U.S. suffered in WWI, Korea, and Vietnam combined, and half of the total U.S. deaths in WWII.  1 million is about 1-1/2 times all U.S. deaths in 20th century wars.

  100. 100.

    Ruckus

    @Another Scott:

    I can tell you that a 6 month deployment is not a lot of fun, even when you get liberty in some great cities. 9 months would be, there are no words. Add in that that is not a great part of the world for liberty and I’d imagine that a lot of people are going to think really hard about reenlisting. When that happens you end up with not enough skilled people to keep everything running and that just makes it a lot harder.

  102. 102.

    sdhays

    @Jay: They’re at this point and Georgia still doesn’t have a stay-at-home order. So this is just the beginning. And Florida is on its way right behind.

    How many people will die because Kemp stole the election from Stacy Abrams? It’s not going to be a small number.

  103. 103.

    Cameron

    @Kattails: I’m in FL, and I’ve read there are drive-through testing sites in both Hillsborough and Manatee Counties.  How you qualify to get tested, I don’t know.  And since I don’t have a car, it’s not something I’m going to stay on top of.

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