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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / COVID Relief Open Thread: With the GOP, or (Almost Certainly) Without Them

COVID Relief Open Thread: With the GOP, or (Almost Certainly) Without Them

by Anne Laurie|  January 31, 20219:57 pm| 52 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Proud to Be A Democrat

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“It’s not ancient history — 2009 is the analogue,” Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) tells me. “We then waited for Senate bipartisanship to break out. It never happened. And I don’t think it will happen this time.” https://t.co/NKIKuKPGTW

— Matt Viser (@mviser) January 30, 2021

Almost certainly, without them — but it’s good policy to let the voters know you tried!

would be nice if Politico mentioned GOP had **ten months** to negotiate a big Covid bill and for ten months the GOP told Dems to f**k off https://t.co/sDy5PNSAbG

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) January 29, 2021

the funny part is DC press actually thinks the second one is real option

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) January 29, 2021

“The hostage takers have warned authorities that if police reject cooperation and instead adopt the extreme policy of not given ten million dollars by noon, they will be left with no choice but to start shooting the hostages.” https://t.co/i2oHvqG7Ja

— Zoomcock Archivist ?? (@canderaid) January 29, 2021

If Ds pass a reconciliation relief bill, they stand a good chance of reaping political benefit. (Whatever the particulars, the pandemic will end & the economy will likely rebound.)

Rs can either get in on the action & share the credit, or whine about partisanship & get no credit https://t.co/smfpms2fIu

— Bill Scher (@billscher) January 30, 2021

the real issue for Republicans is that they *don't want a vote on this bill* because they are stuck between rabid MAGA asshats who will go after them if they vote for any D bill, and the broader public, who would like to not die or lose their homes in a pandemic.

— Noah Berlatsky (@nberlat) January 29, 2021

Pretty much:

Republicans counter Biden’s COVID with one that, at a generous estimate, is one-tenth its size.

Here’s how conservative media is reporting it. pic.twitter.com/4XkePRd0CS

— Roy Edroso (@edroso) January 31, 2021

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  1. 1.

    Mike R

    January 31, 2021 at 10:06 pm

    Is there anyway republicans can be more hypocritical?

  2. 2.

    Mike in NC

    January 31, 2021 at 10:07 pm

    Trump still believes the pandemic was a Chinese/DemocRat hoax designed to make the fat bastard look bad.

  3. 3.

    Kent

    January 31, 2021 at 10:10 pm

    The GOP didn’t do a single damn bipartisan thing in the past four years.   Not one.  The closest they ever got was on that DACA/Dreamers bill a couple years ago that Trump finally pulled the plug on.  The didn’t do bipartisan on tax cuts, on ACA repeal, or any SCOTUS nominees.  So fuck them.  That is they path they chose.

    Why any Dem senators would decide that the Best option here is to give RAND PAUL the deciding vote on the economic future of the country is beyond me.  Because once you count past the first 5 or so GOP Senators, he is who you land on when you get to 60.

    And there isn’t a single swing voter in this country who is going to give a shit how many GOP Senate votes there were for the Covid relief package in 2022 or 2024.  It will be old history by then.

  4. 4.

    Kent

    January 31, 2021 at 10:11 pm

    @Mike R: Where there is a will there’s a way.  Always.

  5. 5.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 31, 2021 at 10:11 pm

    I frequently hear a phrase in family court that sends my irritation level into overdrive.

    Most often you will hear it from the folks at CPS/DCBS, sometimes from counsel for the other parent. It is vague, completely meaningless and wholly unverifiable in any way.

    The phrase?

    “We have concerns…”

    Now, it is supposed to be a red flag, but it is my opening for destructive cross-examination. You want to express concerns? Don’t give me vague bullshit, give me concrete statements of likely harm.

    Conservative whining about deficits, motivation for the labor force and the need for “tough choices” strikes me much the same.

  6. 6.

    coin operated

    January 31, 2021 at 10:12 pm

    @Mike in NC: Trump?  Hell…the whole Qsphere is still in on the steal.

     

    @Mike R: “Challenge accepted” in 3…2…1…

  7. 7.

    HinTN

    January 31, 2021 at 10:12 pm

    @Mike R: No, SATASQ. But the Dems need to jam them on every bit of obstruction, obfuscation, and objective sedition.

  8. 8.

    Jeffro

    January 31, 2021 at 10:12 pm

    @Mike R: this

     

    @Kent: and also this

    Just pass it already, tell the GOP to shut the fuck up and get its own house in order, and move on to the next thing that needs fixing due to their malice/incompetence/both

  9. 9.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 31, 2021 at 10:14 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Every government in the world colluded to shut their borders and broad sectors of their own economies just to make Trump look bad.

    He’s just like Jesus that way, and when He comes back, he’ll be the Kweisatz Haderach.

  10. 10.

    West of the Rockies

    January 31, 2021 at 10:14 pm

    @Mike R:

    Is that a trick question?

  11. 11.

    Ruckus

    January 31, 2021 at 10:17 pm

    @Mike R:

    I’m sure they are looking…..

  12. 12.

    Mary G

    January 31, 2021 at 10:20 pm

    The Russians and Dog knows how many other countries are flooding Twitter with “Biden promised checks out to us on Day 1 and didn’t deliver. His presidency is a failure.” They need to pass whatever Manchin and Sinema will go for, and do it now.

  13. 13.

    Kent

    January 31, 2021 at 10:20 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: He’s just like Jesus that way, and when He comes back, he’ll be the Kweisatz Haderach. MAGArat

    Fixed that for you.

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 31, 2021 at 10:23 pm

    Natasha Bertrand @NatashaBertrand 1h
    Just in from @PressSec: “The President received a letter today from 10 Republican Senators asking to meet with him…In response, the President spoke to Sen. Collins, and invited her and other signers of the letter to come to the WH early this week for a full exchange of views.”

    He should invite the cameras in. An hour before the meeting starts.

    If they object, say, “Senator Collins and her team weren’t ready to make their case to the American people, so in the interest of helping them work through their ideas…”

  15. 15.

    Kent

    January 31, 2021 at 10:25 pm

    @Mary G:The Russians and Dog knows how many other countries are flooding Twitter with “Biden promised checks out to us on Day 1 and didn’t deliver. His presidency is a failure.” They need to pass whatever Manchin and Sinema will go for, and do it now.

    I honestly don’t think Manchin and Sinema are even quibbling about the details of the bill.  They are quibbling about the process and precious filibuster.  Once they get past objecting to doing this via reconciliation I don’t see either of them doing a Susan Collins and picking away at the amounts out of some furrowed brow concern for the deficit or some shit.

    It is all so stupid beyond belief.  When Manchin and Sinema insist on 60 votes all they are doing is empowering Rand Paul or John Cornyn or whoever is the 60th vote and making themselves irrelevant.  In a filibuster-less Senate they are both Gods who can make nearly any damn demands that they want for their own states and re-elections.  Seriously.

  16. 16.

    Ruckus

    January 31, 2021 at 10:27 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Yes, I can see the connection. And for the same reasons. They have nothing.

  17. 17.

    Ruckus

    January 31, 2021 at 10:28 pm

    @Kent:

    Good to see you.

  18. 18.

    dmsilev

    January 31, 2021 at 10:29 pm

    Meanwhile, via the Post, He Who Shall Not Be Named has a new set of attorneys:

    On Sunday evening, T****’s office announced in a statement that Atlanta-based trial attorney David Schoen and Bruce L. Castor Jr., a former district attorney in Montgomery County, Pa., would lead his defense team. The two lawyers will bring “national profiles and significant trial experience in high-profile cases to the effort,” the statement said.
    Schoen previously served as a lawyer for T**** adviser Roger Stone when he sought to appeal his conviction for lying and witness tampering in a congressional investigation. He also was in discussions with financier Jeffrey Epstein about representing him days before his death while awaiting sex-trafficking charges and has said he does not believe Epstein killed himself. During his time as district attorney, Castor had declined to prosecute actor Bill Cosby and was later sued by accuser Andrea Constand in a case that was settled.

    Two apparent experts in helping assist sex criminals. Is there something about the impeachment that we’re not yet aware of?

  19. 19.

    SFAW

    January 31, 2021 at 10:29 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    he’ll be the Kwisatz Haderach.

    Reverend Helen will get an extreme workout with her gom jabbar when she tests him.

  20. 20.

    SFAW

    January 31, 2021 at 10:31 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Two apparent experts in helping assist sex criminals. Is there something about the impeachment that we’re not yet aware of?

    Maybe they heard he was the world’s biggest jerk-off, and got confused?

  21. 21.

    dmsilev

    January 31, 2021 at 10:32 pm

    @Mike R:

    Is there anyway republicans can be more hypocritical?

    Like the breeding velociraptors in Jurassic Park, the Republicans will find a way.

  22. 22.

    Benw

    January 31, 2021 at 10:38 pm

    Seems to me a whomping COVID relief bill passed without a single R vote is both the right thing to do and politically advantageous

  23. 23.

    Alison Rose

    January 31, 2021 at 10:38 pm

    Fuck these people. Republicans and their media handmaidens can all fuck off into the sun.

    In far better news, though totally unrelated except in the “relief” sense maybe, I got a new kitty :) My baby Zoe crossed the rainbow bridge nearly four months ago, and I wasn’t sure how long it would take me to feel ready for a new one. But our lovely jackal WayofCats’ blog really helped, and a few days ago I saw this beauty on Petfinder who was everything I was looking for……and now she’s here with me! Just got her yesterday so she’s still settling in and figuring me out, but she’s slowly warming up. I did the ultimate cat lady move and made an Instagram account for her, if you wanna see her cute face.

    The story behind the name, Briery: My first real paying job was at the Renaissance Fair when I was 16, in 1996 (yikes…I mean, I know I’m younger than most of my fellow BJers but still), and on my break one day I was watching a play put on by one of the guilds, and there was this cute young woman playing a mischievous sprite named Briery, and I adored the name (especially after I got to chat with the actress later and she was hella cute and my baby gay self was smitten, I tell you). I filed the name away as one I’d use for a cat in the future, but the next one I had was a stray boy cat who adopted us, and then with my last kitty, Zoe was her name at the shelter and it just fit her so well. But now I finally have my own Briery. Well, my own real one…I have named a few video game characters such :)

    Anyway. Yay, new kitty. Boo, same old GOP bullshit.

  24. 24.

    Ken

    January 31, 2021 at 10:38 pm

    @dmsilev: Trump will be paying them with pardons. You’ll notice the Constitution doesn’t say the pardon power ends with the President’s term.

  25. 25.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 31, 2021 at 10:39 pm

    @SFAW:

    He’s such a physical coward. He’d probably prefer getting jabbed.

  26. 26.

    SFAW

    January 31, 2021 at 10:41 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    He’d probably prefer getting jabbed.

    Huh. I actually agree with him.

  27. 27.

    Argiope

    January 31, 2021 at 10:41 pm

    @dmsilev: E Jean Carroll’s case may be moving forward—maybe they came to Mango Mussolini’s attention through that route and he thought they’d meet the central casting standard for impeachment?  It would be wrong not to speculate.

  28. 28.

    Punchy

    January 31, 2021 at 10:42 pm

    Im so glad at least some people are noting that the Rs wrote the entire tax bill w/o a single Dem involved.  Now suddenly they feel entitled to craft the COVID relief?

    How congressional Dems go thru their day without 50+ “Oh go fuck OFF”s to their GOP counterparts is a testament to their professionalism.

  29. 29.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 31, 2021 at 10:46 pm

    @SFAW:

    But really, I tend to see Trump as Harkonnen, a bloated, conniving, perverse fool.

  30. 30.

    dmsilev

    January 31, 2021 at 10:50 pm

    @Ken: That’d be a novel argument, no question. Of course, it’d torpedo the whole ‘can’t impeach an ex-President Because Reasons’ thing, so by all means let’s hope they go that route.
    I’m just disappointed that he didn’t decide to represent himself.

  31. 31.

    Kristine

    January 31, 2021 at 11:00 pm

    @Alison Rose: Congrats on the sweet new kitty!

  32. 32.

    sab

    January 31, 2021 at 11:01 pm

    @Mike R: They are very sincere about keeping post-Congress think tank and gravy train options open.

  33. 33.

    Major Major Major Major

    January 31, 2021 at 11:03 pm

    Open thread? I watched the first two-thirds or so of the NYC mayoral debate and came away surprisingly impressed by Yang, believe it or not. On the other hand, maybe liking his answers just means that I don’t actually know very much about the subject matter.

    Scott Stringer, I think it was, had a good showing too, and I don’t really know anything about Loree Sutton but I liked the cut of her jib.

    So, that happened.

  34. 34.

    Chetan Murthy

    January 31, 2021 at 11:03 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Baron Harkonnen libel! The Baron was patient, intelligent, planned for the long game, etc.  This fucker, he’s at best Beast Rabban, and really not even that.  That’s the problem with the Orange Pus Blister: even the villiains of pulp fiction are majestic heroes in comparison.  Truly, if a writer were to invent him, he’d be rejected by his editor.

  35. 35.

    MisterForkbeard

    January 31, 2021 at 11:04 pm

    On a side note, apparently Trump has gotten two lawyers to agree to be on his Impeachment defense team: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-announces-legal-team-senate-impeachment-trial-n1256307

    I know nothing about either of these guys (David Schoen and Bruce Castor), but I’m assuming they are awful in all senses of the word.

    Wait: Yeah, Castor is the DA who refused to prosecute Bill Cosby over sexual assault. Schoen is a just a defense lawyer.

  36. 36.

    sab

    January 31, 2021 at 11:04 pm

    @Alison Rose: Your kitty is beautiful.

    You were born the year I pased the bar exam. I am glad you have lasted longer than my legal career.

  37. 37.

    Redshift

    January 31, 2021 at 11:04 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Conservative whining about deficits, motivation for the labor force and the need for “tough choices” strikes me much the same. 

    Yeah, and it annoys me that there are people who get paid to write about politics who can’t see that “that’s too much, why don’t we pass a smaller ‘targeted’ bill” is no different than “we should only do what I want,” not a compromise.

  38. 38.

    StringOnAStick

    January 31, 2021 at 11:08 pm

    @Alison Rose: Briery is a nice looking kitty; I’m a Gray tabby/tortie fan as well.  Of the kitties I’ve been lucky to have, 3/4 have been this color.

  39. 39.

    Redshift

    January 31, 2021 at 11:14 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    Schoen is a just a defense lawyer. 

    Schoen is a just a defense lawyer who was Roger Stone’s lawyer, and was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein and was going to be his lawyer if he’d gone to trial. Everyone deserves competent representation, but that seems to warrant a little more than “just a defense lawyer.”

  40. 40.

    MisterForkbeard

    January 31, 2021 at 11:20 pm

    @Redshift: Yeah, I hadn’t seen that yet when I wrote my comment. Both of these guys are really reprehensible.

    It’s easy work, though. Go in there, just tell everyone that this is plainly an unconstitutional partisan attack on Trump and refuse to let him speak as a witness, then just respond to everything with “This is a face we refuse to answer”.

    They’ll get 45+ R senators to acquit just by being assholes and yelling at Democrats, no matter the legal question. So if they get paid at all it’s a win, and they get a big name for themselves. The only way to lose this is if they start trying to prove Election Fraud and say the whole insurrection was necessary. And even THEN they’ll probably still get 40 Republican votes.

  41. 41.

    catclub

    January 31, 2021 at 11:26 pm

    @Ken: ​
     

    Trump will be paying them with pardons. You’ll notice the Constitution doesn’t say the pardon power ends with the President’s term.

    I figured the first set quit because they discussed being paid in advance.

  42. 42.

    SFAW

    January 31, 2021 at 11:35 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    At least the Baron had some intelligence. Maybe Jared will be a Trumpian Feyd-Rautha?

  43. 43.

    NotMax

    January 31, 2021 at 11:52 pm

    @SFAW

    Also, the Baron didn’t go bankrupt running spice. Say again that (setting aside the sterility thing) analogue to Dolt 45 is The Mule in Asimov’s Foundation trilogy.

    ;)

  44. 44.

    LurkerNoLonger

    February 1, 2021 at 12:02 am

    Republicans, get on the COVID Relief bill train or stand on the tracks and get run over by it.

  45. 45.

    Jean

    February 1, 2021 at 12:03 am

    So 10 Republicans want to meet with Biden to share their little stingy plan.  “How about you agree to this, instead of what you in the MAJORITY of both houses want for the MAJORITY of Americans (like 70% of them who like the bill)?”  I hope hilarity ensues, and they are ushered out the door.  Give Manchin and Sinema something really nice for their constituents and pass the bill without the Republican hypocrites. They had no trouble ramming through the tax bill which was about the same amount and had no Democrats involved in discussing or crafting or passing.

  46. 46.

    sdhays

    February 1, 2021 at 12:07 am

    @Chetan Murthy: This is because Dump isn’t actually the main villain or primary character in our story. He’s a two bit character chewing up scenery in the latest chapter of America’s original sin.

  47. 47.

    Alison Rose

    February 1, 2021 at 12:21 am

    @sab: LOL, me too!

  48. 48.

    Alison Rose

    February 1, 2021 at 12:22 am

    @StringOnAStick: I’ve never had one just like this. Did have two torties growing up, one the regular black and brown variety, and one called “dilute” that had gray instead of black. I love all the different types there are :)

  49. 49.

    Amir Khalid

    February 1, 2021 at 1:17 am

    @Alison Rose: ​
      Congratulations to you and Briery. May your time together be full of love and happiness.

  50. 50.

    Uncle Cosmo

    February 1, 2021 at 7:08 am

    @SFAW: Reverend Helen will get an extreme workout with her gom jabbar when she tests him.

    One of my  consistent (if rather grim) satisfactions in reading down these blog threads is noting how many posts it takes before some Jackal makes the very comment that has so cleverly occurred to me.

    (Narrator: It rarely took more than a few.)

    (O/t: Visual tab functional [Farfawks v. 85]. For how long, doG only nose…)

  51. 51.

    Uncle Cosmo

    February 1, 2021 at 7:38 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: ​ He’s such a physical coward.

    Is there any truth behind the rumor that when Twitler was nosing about Moskva in the 80s the Bratva had him thrown down a couple of flights of stairs in order to, mmm, produce the proper attitude? (And if there isn’t, can we spread it anyway?? :^D)

    (O/t: Visual text once again kaput. Intermittents!?!)

  52. 52.

    Uncle Cosmo

    February 1, 2021 at 7:47 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: ​ I tend to see Trump as Harkonnen, a bloated, conniving, perverse fool.

    IIRC the (not-Sasha) Baron (not-Cohen) Vlad “The Bad” Harkonnen was nobody’s fool, and came by his morbid obesity late in life courtesy of Bene Gesserit witchery. I’ll grant you “conniving” and “perverse” though.

    (ETA: Chetan at #34 supra FTW.)
    (ETA 2: Visual still borked.​​)​

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