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Saturday Night Sports Open Thread: Another (Tentative) Win for Spain’s Soccer Women

by Anne Laurie|  August 26, 20239:30 pm| 39 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Excellent Links, Open Threads, Sports, Women's Rights Are Human Rights

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For those of you struggling to understand why Jenni Hermoso and the innapropriateness of Luis Rubiales has infuriated women everywhere and why the Spanish women’s team are making a stand.

I give you Casey Stoney: pic.twitter.com/pOIcgF5mYo

— Emma (@WhatTheForkLads) August 25, 2023

Yes, I have been paying attention to this story, but there have been a steady stream of updates.* The latest, per the Associated Press — “FIFA suspends Spain soccer federation president Luis Rubiales for 90 days… “:

FIFA suspended Spanish soccer federation president Luis Rubiales on Saturday while its disciplinary committee investigates his conduct at the Women’s World Cup final, which included kissing player Jenni Hermoso on the lips after Spain’s victory.

The provisional suspension comes less than a week after Spain’s 1-0 victory over England in Sydney, Australia, and a day after Rubiales refused to resign, despite intense pressure from the Spanish government, women players, soccer clubs and officials. Rubiales’ conduct, which also included grabbing his crotch, has overshadowed the enormous accomplishment of Spain’s first Women’s World Cup title.

Hermoso has said she did not consent to the kiss, and the team’s players have said they will not play any more games as long as Rubiales is in charge. It was not immediately clear how FIFA’s latest intervention might affect that…

The president of Spain’s women’s league, Beatriz Álvarez, told The Associated Press that she believed this was the end of Rubiales’ soccer career. The league filed one of several official complaints against Rubiales that Spain’s government has received…

The federation appointed vice-president Pedro Rocha as acting president. It added in a statement that Rubiales “has complete trust in the FIFA’s procedures and will use this opportunity to start his defense so that the truth is known and he is proven innocent.”

The federation has threatened legal action against Hermoso for refusing to accept Rubiales’ version of the kiss that happened at the on-field medal and trophy presentation last Sunday…

Rubiales, who is also UEFA vice president, has been leading the joint bid by Spain, Portugal, Morocco — and possibly Ukraine — to host the 2030 World Cup. His suspension means he cannot attend UEFA meetings or vote in October to decide the winning bids for the 2028 and 2032 European Championships…

Hermoso received an ovation from the crowd when she attended a preseason match Saturday for Atletico Madrid, the club where the 33-year-old forward started her long and successful career. Players of Atletico and visitors AC Milan posed before a banner reading “(We Are) With You Jennifer Hermoso.”…

* (Mandatory disclaimers: Organized sports have been ‘politicized’ since at least the days of Olympian Greece; professional sports have notoriously abused the athletes it considers cannon fodder; & in a sport noted for sexist behavior, Spain seems to have been a particularly visible offender.)

“Simply put, I was not respected.” https://t.co/2VEkBneN9u

— Jane Coaston (@janecoaston) August 25, 2023

Albert Burneko has an excellent recap, at Defector — “Luis Rubiales Shows The Whole World Spain’s Entire Ass”:

… Rubiales is a pig and a moron; this was established long before the kiss. In 2016 Tamara Ramos, then a staffer for Spain’s players’ union, went public with accusations that Rubiales had, among other things, made lewd and inappropriate comments to her in professional settings, such as asking what color underwear she was wearing, and, “In front of everyone he, with the sarcasm he has of laughing, told me ‘Come see, you have come here to put on your knee pads.'” Last year, when 15 players on the women’s national team sent a letter to the RFEF protesting an unprofessional environment under manager and nepo-baby mediocrity Jorge Vilda, Rubiales is who directed the RFEF’s sneeringly hostile and dismissive response, and its doubling down on the worthless Vilda. The very day of the kiss incident, Rubiales had already been spotted in the stands, pumping his crotch with his hand while celebrating Spain’s performance, standing a few feet from Spain’s queen and her 16-year-old daughter. By the time he kissed Hermoso, he’d already drawn the world’s attention for the leering, overfamiliar hugs he’d given each preceding medal recipient on the stage.

The embarrassment didn’t end there, not by a long shot. In the locker room afterward, as he was springing a surprise Ibiza trip on Spain’s players, he made a crack about inviting them there to celebrate “the wedding of Jenni and Luis Rubiales.” When first asked about the kiss’s public blowback, Rubiales attributed the criticism to “idiots.” His RFEF released a statement, purportedly from Hermoso herself, defending the kiss as “a totally spontaneous mutual gesture due to the immense joy of winning a World Cup,” and “a natural gesture of affection and gratitude” and then again as “a gesture of friendship and gratitude,” claiming she and Rubiales “have a great relationship, his behavior towards all of us has been outstanding,” and demanding that everybody stop talking about it immediately. Only that statement turns out to have been issued without the participation of Hermoso herself, who evidently said none of those things. When Rubiales did finally get around to issuing an apology video, reporters learned that he’d first begged Hermoso to appear in it with him, even daring to ask that she do so on behalf of his daughters…

This brings us, more or less, to Friday’s breathtakingly deranged RFEF assembly, at which Rubiales … fucking hell, where even to begin with this guy. Well, let’s see. He repeatedly refused to resign, for one thing, at one point roaring it several times in a row like he’s in friggin’ The Wolf of Wall Street. He also offered Vilda a new four-year contract paying him a higher salary than that of literally any woman soccer player in the world. That is not even the half of it.

Rubiales named critics—all women—who have described the kiss as an assault, and vowed legal action against them. He called the kiss “spontaneous, mutual, and consensual”—you might notice this harmonizes with the fake Hermoso statement—and even blamed it on Hermoso, saying “She was the one who lifted me up and brought me closer to her body. And I said to her, ‘A little bit?’ and she said, ‘OK.'” He called the reaction to the kiss a “social assassination” and said his critics are trying to kill him…

Nearly as appalling as Rubiales’s lunatic tirade was the sight of Vilda and men’s national team manager Luis de la Fuente in the audience, applauding this dogshit. They aren’t alone among powerful men and institutions in Spanish soccer showing their whole asses today: As of this writing, Luis Enrique, former men’s national team coach and current boss at Paris Saint-Germain, has spoken out in Rubiales’s defense, after the speech; so has Joan Soteras, head of the Catalan Football Federation (FCF). FC Barcelona, which reportedly has benefited from Rubiales’s help in sorting out its myriad Financial Fair Play problems, issued a disgracefully weak statement, denouncing Rubiales’s behavior at the World Cup but crediting him, ridiculously, with having “admitted it was an error” and apologizing. (Casting Barcelona in an even worse light, RCD Espanyol, Barça’s relegated crosstown rival, had the bare-minimal awareness and self-respect to condemn both Rubiales’s World Cup behavior and his shameful display at the RFEF assembly, and to call for his immediate dismissal.)

Meanwhile, players themselves are reacting with horror, outrage, and unity…

Awful and repellent as Rubiales’s speech was, this may well turn out to have been a positive development overall, or at least the lesser of some number of evils. In combination with the World Cup win, a hasty and quiet resignation by Rubiales risked making Spain’s national soccer infrastructure and culture look healthier and more progressive than they actually are, and may have allowed the media and public to metabolize this whole sequence of events as merely the story of a single monstrous indiscretion—attributable perhaps to a joyful and tragically over-voluptuous Latinate heart—followed by an appropriately chastened and modern response. Now, with Rubiales having had nearly a week to formulate his next move, and with that next move having been, in total, a great big chesty fuck-you to decency and accountability, no one in the world can even halfway credibly pretend not to see the situation for what it is…

This is what Spain’s players were trying to bring to the world’s attention, a great big system of disrespect, unprofessionalism, and gross incompetence, which includes but is far from limited to one manager or federation president. In the work of doing so and in absolutely no other sense, Rubiales now turns out to have been perhaps their single greatest ally.

If twitter is an indicator, it doesn’t seem like Rubiales’ behavior can be discretely swept under the carpet.

🔴 NEWS || The players of the Spanish soccer club Cádiz CF came out with the banner 'We are all Jenni' to support Jenni Hermoso against the macho Luis Rubiales.#Cadiz #Spain #JenniHermoso #LuisRubiales pic.twitter.com/FZrqzVTU9h

— Docendo Updates 🌎 (@omotkn) August 26, 2023

"fist instead of kiss for rubiales and rummenigge. sorry, with respect, that's perfectly okay"

respect to sc freiburg fans pic.twitter.com/f8gpCGhph4

— mapi (@loberdorf6) August 26, 2023


(Rummenigge)

Football fans offer their views on whether Luis Rubiales should resign with most saying he should go 👇

One fan said his actions were "horrific" and another said he should resign "regardless of whether there was consent or not".

Read more: https://t.co/IKAbsGhhDd pic.twitter.com/zgLLGreh0g

— Sky News (@SkyNews) August 27, 2023

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    1. 1.

      Villago Delenda Est

      August 26, 2023 at 9:33 pm

      The Olympics were still being held during the domination of Rome over the Mediterranean, and athletes felt it necessary to allow Nero to win every event Nero entered.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Omnes Omnibus

      August 26, 2023 at 9:33 pm

      Another way to stay on top of this issue is to simply follow Valdivia on Twitter. If you read Spanish, of course.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Scout211

      August 26, 2023 at 9:38 pm

      Thank you for front paging this story, AL. We’ve been commenting in several threads but it deserves a front page.

      Soccer organizations all over the world are coming out in support of Jenni Hermoso and the Spanish team. Most of the Spanish coaches have resigned.

      We stand together with you, @Jennihermoso.Estamos contigo ❤️ pic.twitter.com/VCV3pxaSxX— National Women’s Soccer League (@NWSL) August 25, 2023

      And here it is!The entire coaching staff of Jorge Vilda unanimously RESIGN.#LuisRubiales #RFEF pic.twitter.com/hxIM0Vagzp— Semra Hunter (@SemraHunter) August 26, 2023

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    4. 4.

      Another Scott

      August 26, 2023 at 9:41 pm

      90 days isn’t enough.  He needs to be fired.

      I’m reminded of the horrible stuff that Vinicius Junior was subjected to by Spanish “fans”.

      This crap is going to continue until there are consequences. Spanish football needs to clean house (as does so much of the rest of human society).

      Strength to Hermoso and her colleagues.

      Cheers,
      Scott.

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    5. 5.

      Alison Rose

      August 26, 2023 at 9:43 pm

      It’s always fun being reminded that a whole lot of men think women exist purely for their pleasure and entertainment. I hope someone kicks that sack of shit in the balls so hard they explode.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Gin & Tonic

      August 26, 2023 at 9:46 pm

      When FIFA looks decent in comparison to you….

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    7. 7.

      Omnes Omnibus

      August 26, 2023 at 9:50 pm

      @Gin & Tonic: Yeah, any time you can have FIFA, the IOC, and Formula One looking on and saying, “That’s some fucked up shit…”

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    8. 8.

      Scout211

      August 26, 2023 at 9:51 pm

      @Another Scott: 90 days isn’t enough.  He needs to be fired.

      The 90 day suspension is for the disciplinary committee to complete their investigation. Although there originally was no suspension. Time will tell if the FIFA investigators see what the rest of the world has seen.

      I wonder if the FIFA disciplinary committee includes any women.  🤔

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    9. 9.

      Jackie

      August 26, 2023 at 9:52 pm

      @Scout211: 👍🏻

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    10. 10.

      El Muneco

      August 26, 2023 at 10:02 pm

      How horrible to you have to be where _FIFA_ has to tell you to rein it in a bit?

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    11. 11.

      Alison Rose

      August 26, 2023 at 10:06 pm

      @Scout211: From what I can tell, out of the 16 members including chair and deputy chair, there are 3 women. You know, the correct proportion 😒

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      Steeplejack

      August 26, 2023 at 10:07 pm

      Relevant portion of the Rubiales press conference. He acts like he’s reading his submission to “Penthouse Letters.”

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      Scout211

      August 26, 2023 at 10:10 pm

      @Alison Rose: Thanks for the info.

      Ugh. Not a surprise.

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    14. 14.

      Alison Rose

      August 26, 2023 at 10:11 pm

      @Scout211: Wouldn’t surprise me if they expect the women to make coffee for the meetings.

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      SpaceUnit

      August 26, 2023 at 10:15 pm

      Probably just a matter of time before this creep is invited to speak at a Republican campaign event and declare his victimhood.

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    16. 16.

      Scout211

      August 26, 2023 at 10:21 pm

      @SpaceUnit: Probably just a matter of time before this creep is invited to speak at a Republican campaign event and declare his victimhood.

      You don’t even need a sarcasm tag for that.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      SpaceUnit

      August 26, 2023 at 10:22 pm

      @Scout211:

      I didn’t even consider it.

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    18. 18.

      Betty

      August 26, 2023 at 10:23 pm

      Rubiales = the Spanish Trump.

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    19. 19.

      Ivan X

      August 26, 2023 at 10:28 pm

      So much ewww.

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      David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

      August 26, 2023 at 10:30 pm

      @Steeplejack: ​
        Reminds me of when the late great John Candy had his letter to the editor published (video)

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      dmsilev

      August 26, 2023 at 10:31 pm

      Sally Jenkins at the Post had an excellent piece, apparently taking inspiration from her colleague Alexandra Petri:

      I brought World Cup glory to Spain, so I can kiss whomever I want

      It is I, me, Loco Arrogancia, president of the soccer federation in my country and protector of men’s parts from the false feminists. I write in protest to ask: What chica would not want to be kissed by me, with my face as handsome as a piece of prime rib, not to mention the heroic line of my pants?

      These false feminists see punishment in the guise of my congratulations. They seek to question a man simply for seizing himself in a moment of victorious euphoria — and then seizing a woman, too. Is this not what a machista naturally does when he savors a victory in which he has had no role — grab it and grab it now?

      And anyway, what women’s World Cup incident could really be so serious? So serious that I should be suspended by FIFA for 90 days as my country considers whether to fire me, with my beautifully polished head and shoulders so strong that I can throw a woman footballer over them like a sack?

      Also, it should be noted and repeated that if you make FIFA the moral good guys by comparison in any particular issue, you done really fucked up.

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    22. 22.

      Alison Rose

      August 26, 2023 at 10:33 pm

      @dmsilev: Loco Arrogancia!!!!! LOLOL

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    23. 23.

      Steeplejack

      August 26, 2023 at 10:36 pm

      @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:

      Yeah, I thought the same thing. “Lesbian no more!” Except the opposite of funny.

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      dmsilev

      August 26, 2023 at 10:38 pm

      @Alison Rose: It’s great. Another excerpt:

      Is a kiss something to resign over? Yes, so I pulled this young woman to me with an implacable press of my arms, my enthusiasm over-aroused, in an engulfing hug that would not take no for an answer. It was an embrace that said, “I too am a performer here, and I will not be ignored.” I asked her — so gently that you never see my lips move on the video of the trophy ceremony — “A kiss?” And I put my very large hands around her head and drew her in toward my very sleek head, which stood like a hormonal pillar, or perhaps a mushroom, and met her on the mouth.

      Who does not like the texture of a mushroom?

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      Geminid

      August 26, 2023 at 10:42 pm

      @dmsilev: Sally Jenkins is a really good journalist. Her reporting on the sexist work environment that Dan Snyder encouraged ultimately led to him selling the Washington Commanders.

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      dc

      August 26, 2023 at 10:47 pm

      If you can read Spanish, this is absolutely genius from Guillermo Zapata (genio, escritor, director y guionista, and even on the Madrid City Council during Manuela Carmena’s brief respite from right governments in the city of Madrid): https://blogs.publico.es/otrasmiradas/75393/scarface-en-el-mojo-dojo-casa-house-de-la-federacion-espanola-de-futbol/#md=modulo-portada-fila-de-modulos:3×2-t1;mm=mobile-big

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    27. 27.

      Cacti

      August 26, 2023 at 10:56 pm

      Zzzzzzzzzzzz

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    28. 28.

      CaseyL

      August 26, 2023 at 11:14 pm

      Open Thread?

      Just wanted to say I finally saw Oppenheimer last night, and it is as excellent as everyone says it is. Whoever told me the three hours would go by in a hurry was correct.

      Brilliant film. Brilliant film-making, cast, dialog… everything.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      HumboldtBlue

      August 27, 2023 at 1:16 am

      You can shove your Rubiales up yer ass…

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    30. 30.

      Yutsano

      August 27, 2023 at 1:22 am

      @Cacti: rood.

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    31. 31.

      David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

      August 27, 2023 at 1:24 am

      @CaseyL: I hear the ending is explosive

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    32. 32.

      Mai Naem mobileI

      August 27, 2023 at 1:56 am

      @SpaceUnit: they’ll probably create a department of equal right within the US government that he can lead.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Mai Naem mobileI

      August 27, 2023 at 2:01 am

      It’s supposed to be 111 degrees tomorrow and 114 on Monday and Tuesday. This neverending summer is just awful. I am so ready for summer to be over.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      opiejeanne

      August 27, 2023 at 2:56 am

      @Mai Naem mobileI: That’s too damned hot.

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    35. 35.

      Baud

      August 27, 2023 at 4:10 am

      Thanks for this roundup, AL.  I had no idea about the depths of it all.

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      Tony Jay

      August 27, 2023 at 6:04 am

      All this is another in an endless carousel of opportunities for people, organisations and entire socio/political cultures to show the world who they are and what’s important to them. A test of character, to steal a phrase.

      Lots and lots of them are failing it, Rubiales and the macho mediocrities of the Spanish FA most obviously, but as with other tipping points a LOT of them are getting it right. Hell, even FIFA are sniffing the air and coming out against institutionalised misogyny and sexism.  FIFA! That’s like getting tut-tutted by the Fraternal Association of Protected Police Shooters.

      So more power to your lunacy, Rubiales and Co. The harder you rage against accountability for your actions the further towards unfucked-up masculinity you push the line for acceptable behaviour.

      Though, of course, I reiterate my opinion that a LOT of so called ‘men’ need to have their testicles confiscated until they learn to handle them with due care and attention.

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      LiminalOwl

      August 27, 2023 at 7:16 am

      @dc: Thank you very much. I could follow part of it, used a translation for the rest, and will be following that blog henceforth.

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      satby

      August 27, 2023 at 7:47 am

      @Baud: As @Omnes Omnibus: said, Valdivia has been all over this on Twitter. I use translate to read her Spanish posts on it, but she’s tracking the outrage

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      WaterGirl

      August 27, 2023 at 9:53 am

      @Scout211:

      Thank you for front paging this story, AL. We’ve been commenting in several threads but it deserves a front page.

      Valdivia has been working on a guest post about this, which we’ll put up on Tuesday, so this will get more attention this week, as well.

      Reply

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