Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

Ah, the different things are different argument.

The willow is too close to the house.

I’m pretty sure there’s only one Jack Smith.

Oh FFS you might as well trust a 6-year-old with a flamethrower.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Shut up, hissy kitty!

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

Let us savor the impending downfall of lawless scoundrels who richly deserve the trouble barreling their way.

Maybe you would prefer that we take Joelle’s side in ALL CAPS?

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Consistently wrong since 2002

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Polls are now a reliable indicator of what corporate Republicans want us to think.

If you are in line to indict donald trump, stay in line.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

It’s a good piece. click on over. but then come back!!

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

There are no moderate republicans – only extremists and cowards.

The revolution will be supervised.

Baby steps, because the Republican Party is full of angry babies.

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It was inevitable that RFK Jr’s campaign would seize on his most famous relative’s best-known slogan. Problem is, sixty years ago, sarcasm wasn’t the dominant mode of the general public discourse…

Just hours off the starting block, and the campaign is already a sideshow.

In case you missed the late-night / pre-dawn post:

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    I’ve been a Dem most of my life and RFK, Jr. has never been in the conservation.

    Frankly, neither has Soros.

    ETA: in other words, who cares?

  2. 2.

    Baud

    Before social media, would the idea of two football players “debating” vaccines been laughed at so hard it wouldn’t have even been proposed?

  4. 4.

    billcinsd

    RFK worked for Stevenson but claimed to have voted for Ike. So this goes back quite a ways in his family

  6. 6.

    SpaceUnit

    Sideshow Bob belongs in a psych ward but if he’s gonna siphon off the Aaron Rogers / Joe Rogan fanboys by all means proceed.

  7. 7.

    Jeffro

    @Baud: you’re just saying that because my last month’s SorosCheckTM was bigger than yours.   ;)

    Seriously, though: what if we charter a luxurious bus with RFK Jr, Cornell West, My Pillow guy, Steve Bannon, Nancy Mace, Charlie Kirk, and Vivek Ramaswamy on it – all meals and cocktails paid for! – and just let it roam around the country until the election is over?

    Windows sealed and front door locked once they’re aboard.

    I’m not saying it solves EVERY problem in America…but it does solve most.

  16. 16.

    Spider-Dan

    I’m interested in seeing how this Kelce vs. Rodgers thing plays out.  It seems like fortunate timing for the forces of Good that Kelce cut that pro-vaccine ad right as he started getting involved with Taylor Swift, putting Rodgers and the rest of the antivax loons up against not only a popular player, but arguably the biggest name in music right now.  (presuming, with some evidence, that she is also sane on this issue)

    If these are the battle lines, I like our chances.  Rodgers is already regarded as a weirdo, and tying him to RFKjr just amplifies both of their reputations.

  17. 17.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @Baud: Thing is, Travis isn’t your typical meathead jock; he’s in the same goofball progressive athlete neighborhood as Chris Kwule. He’s pro-vaccine, seems to genuinely be a nice guy, and trolled the right-wing nutjobs by drinking Bud Light.

    Even better, Aaron Rodgers hates Kelce because he’s aware that Taylor Swift just ain’t into him which is kryptonite to a narcissist like Rodgers.

    As usual, most of the kewl celebrities are on our side of the political divide.

  19. 19.

    rk

    He has an awful voice. Doesn’t matter if it’s a medical condition. He’s hit the jackpot of awfulness, insane ideas delivered with a grating nails on chalkboard delivery.

  20. 20.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: I’ll buy all of Taylor Swift’s albums if Kelce’s response to this is, “I’m pretty busy these days. Get back to me after the Super Bowl”

  21. 21.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    @West of the Rockies:

    Yeah, he has spasmodic dysphonia. The same thing Katharine Hepburn had in her last few years. It shouldn’t make a difference — he’s a terrible candidate on his own merits — but unfortunately it does. (And I freely admit to being someone who hits the mute button whenever I hear his voice.)

  22. 22.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @Baud: I never said that Travis Kelce would. Rodgers is the one who suggested it because he’s an egotistical meathead who’s stupid enough to turn a matter of public health into a carnival act. Kelce already did his part by being openly rational about his vaccination status, which is a big deal when so many athletes are still being idiots in public about it.

  23. 23.

    theturtlemoves

    @rk: ​ I mean, an asshole with a speech condition is still an asshole. And the fact that the condition may have been triggered by him being a massive drug addict but him blaming it on a flu vaccine also tempers the sympathy a bit.

  24. 24.

    Scout211

    Has this been posted yet? Link

    New York Rep. George Santos was charged in a superseding indictment Tuesday with conspiracy, wire fraud, false statements, falsification of records, aggravated identity theft and credit card fraud.

    . . .

    Prosecutors filed the 23-count superseding indictment against the New York Republican in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York. Here are the charges he faces:

    • One count of conspiracy to commit offenses against the United States
    • Two counts of wire fraud
    • Two counts of making materially false statements to the Federal Election Commission (FEC)
    • Two counts of falsifying records submitted to obstruct the FEC
    • Two counts of aggravated identity theft
    • One count of access device fraud

    These new counts have been added to the charges in the original indictment against him:

    • Seven counts of wire fraud
    • Three counts of money laundering
    • One count of theft of public funds
    • Two counts of making materially false statements to the United States House of Representatives

    U.S. Attorney Breon Stacy Peace said in a statement that Santos “is charged with stealing people’s identities and making charges on his own donors’ credit cards without their authorization, lying to the FEC and, by extension, the public about the financial state of his campaign.”

    “Santos falsely inflated the campaign’s reported receipts with non-existent loans and contributions that were either fabricated or stolen,” Peace said.

    Representatives for Santos’ office and his defense attorney did not respond to CBS News’ requests for comment.

    When will the Republicans tell him to resign?

    LOL! I crack myself up.

  30. 30.

    Tony Jay

    @Jeffro:

    There’s at least the bones of a ‘so bad it’s unmissable’ show in there. The various no-hopers, has-beens and never-weres could ‘prove’ themselves as credible grassroots candidates by travelling the country in a convoy of personalised mobile homes like a real-life Wacky Races, following the cryptic clues left by an enigmatic AI called Mr Zeitgeist in search of areas in desperate need of… um… problem solving political experts to work with them in finding radical, big-idea solutions to their issues, or at least rant a lot and argue with each other over every single thing.

    The people and communities they interact with will, of course, be played by actors, because no one in their right mind would want the potential legal nightmare of putting that bunch of crackpots, con-artists and lazy fascists in charge of fixing anything.

    It’d keep them out of the way for a while, anyway. That’s not nothing.

  32. 32.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @Michael Bersin: Nope.

    Rodgers is a jerk. Although Rodgers certainly still has more than a few miles left on his tires, both the fans and the team in Green Bay figured Rodgers wasn’t worth the goddamned maintenance anymore. The never-ending chorus of Should I Stay or Should I Go was deafening and exhausting.

    Rodgers and the Jets deserve each other.

  33. 33.

    persistentilluion

    @Jeffro: My lord, you’d need to decontaminate the air in that bus every 5 hours or so.  Weapon of Mass Destruction on the highway ahead.

  37. 37.

    Dan B

    @sab: RFK Jr blamed mercury in vaccines for his dysphonia.  He didn’t mention that the family fished in a river (Hudson?) with lots of methyl mercury, a form that is persistent unlike thimerosal, a form the body sheds in 24 hours.

  45. 45.

    Elizabelle

    Ethel Kennedy is still alive.  She is 95 years old.  Especially if she is still sentient, I am sorry that she is being treated to this sh*t show.  Same for the other family members.

    I wonder if Kennedy’s wife, actress Cheryl Hines, will lose any friends or work because of his kookiness. It’s like he is running around with his underwear outside his pants, in public.  That cannot be good.

  46. 46.

    gene108

    @Jeffro:

    Seriously, though: what if we charter a luxurious bus with RFK Jr, Cornell West, My Pillow guy, Steve Bannon, Nancy Mace, Charlie Kirk, and Vivek Ramaswamy on it

    Poor Nancy Mace, the only woman on bus full creepy guys.

  48. 48.

    Geminid

    @Scout211: This superseding indictmrnt comes after his campaign Treasurer, Ms. Marks plead guilty in a related case last week

    She is a veteran player in the Long Island Republican world. I’m hoping she also can implicate former Congressman Lee Zeldin, who was effectively the party boss.

    Rep. Elise Stefanik would be the cherry on top. I remember looking at Santos’s Twitter heading after he was sworn in and the shit was hitting the fan. It had a picture of him and also one of Srefanik. I could see no reason for this except to warn Republicans thst if he went down, she might too. Santos is of course a liar, but he still might have something on her.

    Now that the feds have gotten a good grip on the Marks thread there’s no telling what will unravel.

  51. 51.

    Freemark

    @Michael Bersin: No.

    I mentioned this in thread last week but my conspiracy nut MAGA brother ‘thinks’ that Rodgers’ injury wasn’t an accident. Here is the story.

    Some former Warner Brother’s executive VP wrote on Twitter that AR would have this injury two hours BEFORE it happened. (My brother had a copy of a screenshot of the tweet before it disappeared so you know it’s true. And the VP was a muckity-muck in the MSM so had access to the secret conspiracy files). This happened in NY where the Giants and Jets played each other right before 9/11 on the field AR was ‘accidentally’ injured. And the NFL is controlled by George Soros. Coincidence? I think not. There were sending a message to AR and others like him.

    My brother says it isn’t proven. But come on just connect the dots.

  54. 54.

    Geminid

    @Dan B: Santos and Stefanik are better known, but Zeldin is the big fish in this pond. It would be nice to see the opportunistic Stefanik get taken down.

    Santos is a goner, I figure. He may not be willing to tell everything he knows though, because his biggest campaign funder, Andrew Intrater, is cousin to Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg.

    The feds seem to be after Vekselberg for something. Around Labor Day of last year they searched his homes on Long Island and in Manhattan and Florida, on the same day. Santos might be afraid to dish an Vekselberg’s cousin Andrew though. I would be.

  55. 55.

    evodevo

    @Baud: ​
      yeah…it’s spasmodic dysphonia. My CP aunt had it, my grandmother’s neighbor had it, and a coworker had it. All three had the most severe kind. They now use botox to alleviate the symptoms…too late for my aunt who passed away in 2003 . It would have been a godsend for her…she struggled with it her whole life…

  62. 62.

    Suzanne

    Mr. Suzanne, who is a bilingual SLP, says that he has never seen any research indicating any sort of link between mercury and spasmodic dysphonia. I’m sure you’re shocked to hear this news.

  64. 64.

    Tony G

    @Baud: The notion that people, in the year 2023, are going to be impressed by the Kennedy name is just ludicrous.  I’m an old geezer of 67.  JFK was killed when I was 7 years old and RFK was killed when I was 12 years old.  To the degree that I think of them, I regard them as historical figures.  The Kennedy family is irrelevant to any of my thoughts about politics.

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