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You are here: Home / Politics / Republican Venality / Monday Evening Open Thread: As Mitch McConnell Sidles Towards the Exits…

Monday Evening Open Thread: As Mitch McConnell Sidles Towards the Exits…

by Anne Laurie|  March 11, 20245:19 pm| 126 Comments

This post is in: Republican Venality, Republicans in Disarray!, Schadenfreude

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On McConnell Sidling Towards the Exits

I'm fascinated by the lack of Mitch McConnell legacy pieces from our elite newsrooms. I mean, they must have his obit in the can, so they must have given this some thought. Or are they tongue-tied about how to politely say he broke the Senate, Supreme Court, and his own party?

— Dan Froomkin (PressWatchers.org) (@froomkin) February 29, 2024

McConnell isn’t even retiring — just ‘stepping down’ from his Leadership position, and not until November. But given the man’s history, it wouldn’t surprise me if he fell victim to the old-fashioned ‘dead within a year’ retirement trope, not least because his ‘fellow’ GOP senators currently hate him almost as much as we Democrats do. Nil nisi bonum doesn’t apply when only an individual’s career / legacy has been murdered, yet I doubt the actual obituaries will be any kinder.

Sen. Mitch McConnell’s legacy will be that he purposefully undermined America’s first Black president, he broke the Supreme Court, he helped elect a fascist President, and he abetted up an insurrection on American soil. https://t.co/TiJDog1enc

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) February 28, 2024



Bess Levin, for Vanity Fair — “After Thoroughly F**king Over America, Mitch McConnell Decides to Treat Himself to a Break”:

Mitch McConnell announced on Wednesday that he will step down as the GOP’s Senate leader after next November’s elections. At 82, the guy is still alive and kicking, and come November, he’ll still have more than two years left on his current term in office. In other words, we’re not rid of him just yet. But it feels appropriate at this time to talk about legacy and what people will remember about the man when he’s gone, from both DC and the world. So, to be clear: If you remember one thing about Mitch McConnell, it should be that the Kentucky lawmaker, who famously has no principles,* could have rid us of the bubonic plague that is Donald Trump—and simply chose not to.

Cast your minds back to February 2021. A month prior, the president of the United States had incited a literal insurrection in an attempt to stay in power. Shortly thereafter, he was impeached, which was followed by a Senate trial. On the day the votes were cast, McConnell said the following: “There’s no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. No question about it. The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. And having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole, which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth.”

Those words would have been incredibly powerful if not for one thing: Moments before uttering them, McConnell voted to acquit Trump, because he is a shameless hack. As a reminder, had Trump been convicted by the Senate—which, yes, would’ve required more people than just McConnell to vote differently—the 45th president would have been barred from ever running from office again, and we wouldn’t currently be grappling with the very real chance of him winning reelection this fall…

*For a 2020 New Yorker profile of McConnell, reporter Jane Mayer spent months searching “for the larger principles or sense of purpose that animates” the guy. “Finally,” she wrote, “someone who knows him very well told me, ‘Give up. You can look and look for something more in him, but it isn’t there. I wish I could tell you that there is some secret thing that he really believes in, but he doesn’t’.”

Had McConnell retired in January 2021 & led the conviction of Donald Trump his legislative legacy would’ve been about the same & he would’ve saved the country from the anti-democratic threat he saw clearly. We would not be on the precipice we are on now if not for his
cowardice.

— Tim Miller (@Timodc) February 28, 2024

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Tom Nichols, in the Atlantic:

… One indicator of how far American democracy has fallen is the way Mitch McConnell’s impending retirement has sparked concerns about who will replace him—as if McConnell is some lingering guardrail protecting democracy. (Still, McConnell was known to despise Donald Trump and hasn’t spoken to him for three years, which limited the former president’s reach in the Senate, so it’s not a trivial worry that his replacement may be more MAGA-friendly than he was.) McConnell is the longest-serving Senate leader in U.S. history; he will be remembered as one of the people whose decisions were crucial in bringing American democracy to the edge of destruction. Had McConnell retired a decade ago, he would have gone in the books as just another unremarkable party boss who used his talent for cloakroom politics to ensure that laws were written to protect the wealth and interests of his donors.

McConnell, however, worshipped the Senate and was willing to sell his political soul to stay in it and lead it. A master of legislative maneuvering, he helped create a strange new principle in American politics, in which presidents can nominate justices to the Supreme Court only if the Senate majority leader feels like entertaining that idea. He then led Senate Republicans through two impeachments and two acquittals of Trump, the second after the January 6 insurrection.

In a coincidence that Hollywood would not have allowed in a cheap potboiler script, McConnell announced his plans the same day that the Supreme Court granted a hearing on Trump’s ludicrous legal theory that presidents are unaccountable demigods who can rule at will. McConnell is the one man who, more than anyone else in Washington, made sure that Trump could walk free, run for president again, and then make his appeal for an elective monarchy to a Court whose conservative majority smirks at the idea of accountability…

On McConnell Sidling Towards the Exits - STOCKPILE

The best assessment you will ever see of Mitch McConnell’s role in wrecking the country. By the great @howardfineman https://t.co/4am4GY5ntW

— Jonathan Alter (@jonathanalter) February 29, 2024


A view from the center-right, by Howard Fineman — “Mitch McConnell’s Choice”:

… I have had the duty of knowing and studying Mitch McConnell since I first heard of him in the late 1970s when I was a reporter for The Courier-Journal of Louisville. For most of the time, our relations were cordial and businesslike. He was devoted to his staff. He used his muscle to create worthy (if self-glorifying) academic programs at the University of Louisville. He could play the role of Kentucky Gentleman, as he did at the Derby, carefully escorting ladies to better views of the track from the skybox. On a personal level his wife, Elaine Chao, is the soul of graciousness. Mitch could sip a bourbon and offer you some, a humane act. He chose to live in a chic, liberal part of town, and liked to dine at its restaurants before he became an object of ridicule in them.

These small signs, plus my love of Kentucky and a naïve belief that there is “that of God” in all of us, led me to think McConnell could someday surprise me, the Senate, and the world with a “profile in courage” act of statesmanship. There was a prickly bravery to his orneriness. Who knows what that might produce. Time and again I hoped; time and again I was disappointed.

Why? Because early in his Senate career, he adopted as guiding goal the destruction of the social-welfare state as erected by the Roosevelts, Truman, Kennedy, and Johnson. His bleak sense of realism told him he could not get elected president to do that. Instead, he would do it from the Senate by dismantling the federal judiciary that had sanctioned and enabled the liberal state.

He set about building the financial, educational, and political mechanisms necessary to reverse an entire epoch of social progress: luring in big donors such as the Kochs, helping to build the Federalist Society and its law school chapters, offering presidents and presidential candidates his lists of preferred nominees.

He would do anything he had to do to reach his goal of power. He rose by double-crossing everyone in his way when it suited his climbing purpose. He ran for local office in Jefferson County (Louisville) as a self-described “pro-labor” man, then promptly sold out the unions once he won…

Being a Senate bully might have helped the country when Donald Trump came along. But Mitch folded up like a two-dollar suitcase to keep the power he needed for his judicial crusade. In 2015, McConnell privately recoiled at the unpredictable and philosophically confused New Yorker, saying voters would “drop him like a hot rock” once they got a good look at him. When Trump won the nomination, McConnell fell meekly in line.

Mitch’s most infamous moment of testing came during the second impeachment trial of Trump in the Senate for inciting a deadly riot on Jan. 6, 2021. The senator denounced the riot and Trump’s role in it. After a dramatic pause, he said the word “but.” But it wasn’t up to the Congress, but the courts to decide Trump’s fate.

Courts Mitch McConnell had made.

On McConnell Sidling Towards the Exits - STOCKPILE 1

Here's that moment:https://t.co/TCzHlaWDRv

— The Recount (@therecount) February 28, 2024

He’ll be remembered as the man who could’ve rid us of Trump and decided he wanted to be majority leader instead (and then wasn’t.) https://t.co/hz5I6OK2uV

— Reed Galen (@reedgalen) February 29, 2024

Straight out of the incel degenerate hive mind https://t.co/9SFq6wss1F

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) February 29, 2024


Rand Paul has volunteered himself as McConnell’s replacement, much to the delight of his fellow glibertarians / pussbags / #failsons. I take some small solace in knowing Young Prince Rand will be beaten more brutally by the other GOP contenders than he was by his angry neighbor.

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McConnell departure leaves GOP's Reagan wing reeling — and some Democrats bracing for what comes after him

Fetterman: “He was part of keeping the Senate from becoming the Jerry Springer show that the House is,”https://t.co/4NRLWuujsV@UrsulaPerano

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) February 28, 2024

Mitch McConnell stacked the Court, undermined our democracy, and enabled Donald Trump.

And yet – in his absence – the @SenateGOP will invariably select someone more extreme.

With our democracy more fragile than ever, we must select and elect leaders committed to protecting it.

— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) February 28, 2024

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126Comments

  1. 1.

    NoraLenderbee

    March 11, 2024 at 5:21 pm

    Stomping the afternoon open thread?

  2. 2.

    lowtechcyclist

    March 11, 2024 at 5:21 pm

    After only 5 minutes! That’s impressive!

  3. 3.

    dmsilev

    March 11, 2024 at 5:29 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: Side effect of Daylights Savings is that afternoon and evening blur together.

  4. 4.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 11, 2024 at 5:37 pm

    I guess the House “Freedom” Caucus does not believe that Ukrainians are deserving of said freedom.

  5. 5.

    Jeffro

    March 11, 2024 at 5:37 pm

    Shannon Watts and Reed Galen pretty much covered it.

    Also, I just wanna add: fuck Mitch McConnell.

  6. 6.

    H.E.Wolf

    March 11, 2024 at 5:38 pm

    A palate cleanser: Bill Moyers’ eulogy for someone very different: Claudia Alta Taylor Johnson.
    https://www.congress.gov/110/crec/2007/07/16/modified/CREC-2007-07-16-pt1-PgS9258-2.htm​

  7. 7.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    March 11, 2024 at 5:45 pm

    I want to get this in early enough to be able to state that I’m not speaking ill of the dead.

    I hope Addison Mitchell McConnell II lives long enough to see the unmaking of his works, and then is laid low by maladies that leave him in such agony that he cannot recognize the moment that his earthly suffering ends and his eternal torment begins.

    (A curse I once heard for someone else, but I can think of few people more appropriate to be cursed so.)

  8. 8.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 5:49 pm

    I’m happy that turtles will soon be able to reclaim their good name.

    BTW, the story about Mitch’s sister in law and the Tesla is pretty horrifying.

  9. 9.

    hueyplong

    March 11, 2024 at 5:56 pm

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: Seconded. Would it be greedy to bestow the same honors on Trump?

  10. 10.

    hueyplong

    March 11, 2024 at 5:58 pm

    @Baud: That story seems like an obvious font for conspiracy theories.

  11. 11.

    matt

    March 11, 2024 at 6:04 pm

    How about McConnell’s sister in law dying in her Tesla trying to execute a three point turn? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/angela-chao-mcconnell-report-death-b2510728.htm

     

    Ah, I see Baud already mentioned it. Something wild going on with those folks.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 6:05 pm

    @hueyplong:

    There’s nothing that’s not a font for conspiracy theories these days.

  13. 13.

    Hoppie

    March 11, 2024 at 6:17 pm

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: May I pedantically point out it is Addison Mitchell McConnell III, of the famous southern Turd family, as comment 13?

  14. 14.

    currawong

    March 11, 2024 at 6:19 pm

    The only good thing that may come out of this is that the Democrats finally drop all of the old conventions that they have held dear but the GOP have overridden at the drop of a hat.

  15. 15.

    Jeffro

    March 11, 2024 at 6:20 pm

    It appears we’ve already got a bloodbath, metaphorically speaking, going on at the RNC.

    Not on board with every cent going to trumpov’s legal defense?  BUH-BYE!

    (I hope the folks who were fired take the long view: who really wants to work for Lara freakin’ Trump?)

  16. 16.

    scav

    March 11, 2024 at 6:21 pm

    @Baud: They are more fun when in their Zapf dingbats native form.  The Times New Roman & Aptos pushers are dull.

  17. 17.

    Steeplejack

    March 11, 2024 at 6:22 pm

    @matt:

    Bad link. Fixed: “Mitch McConnell’s sister-in-law drowned after accidentally reversing Tesla into ranch pond.”

  18. 18.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 11, 2024 at 6:24 pm

    @Jeffro: They chose to work for the RNC.  Fuck ’em.

  19. 19.

    KrackenJack

    March 11, 2024 at 6:27 pm

    Something I’ve been wondering about the Chubb bond; wouldn’t the Independent Monitor in the NYS fraud trial have to be made aware of the terms of the agreement? Per NBC News: “In his ruling, Engoron said the company must also make the monitor aware of all its holdings and assets and give 30 days’ notice of any restructuring at the company and any plans for ‘disposing or refinancing of significant Trump Organization assets.'”

    Unless it’s collateralized by non-Trump Org assets – whatever those may be.

  20. 20.

    matt

    March 11, 2024 at 6:27 pm

    @Steeplejack: Thanks! Sick today, kind of a bum.

  21. 21.

    MattF

    March 11, 2024 at 6:27 pm

    @Jeffro: Article says that Chris LaCivita is the new RNC Chief of Staff, which sounds like a full time job for him. LaCivita was widely regarded as the brains behind Trump’s current campaign, so his getting a new job at the RNC may be rather significant.

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    hueyplong

    March 11, 2024 at 6:29 pm

    To the extent it wasn’t one already, the RNC is fixing to become a “criminal enterprise” in the RICO sense.

  23. 23.

    Geminid

    March 11, 2024 at 6:32 pm

    McConnell made a choice in October of 2020 that I’ve wondered about since: he pushed through Amy Conan Barrett’s  Supreme Court nomination. At the time, people speculated that it might have been better to leave it for the Lame Duck session in order to rally the bible thumpers November 8. McConnell had the votes either way.

    He could have pushed through another Covid relief bill instead, and that might have helped push Trump across the finish line. Trump lost, and next February Joe Biden signed the $1.9 trillion American Recovery Act.

  24. 24.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    March 11, 2024 at 6:33 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Excellent! I knew he would quickly move to secure the cash on hand for Hair Furor and that would mean a lot of firing. I didn’t think of the vendors so that’s just frosting on their shit cake. I wonder how the RNC operatives feel about their demigod now? Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of shitheads.

    I bet the people/companies that the RNC owes money to are shitting bricks in their pants right now. Nobody doesn’t pay a bill like Don Trump and they’re about to learn that for themselves.

  25. 25.

    Geminid

    March 11, 2024 at 6:37 pm

    @MattF: LaCivita’s fellow campaign manager Susan Wiles is pretty brainy also. They’ve managed to work together for well over a year and still keep Trump’s confidence. It sounds like Wiles and LaCivita are integrating the National Committee into Trump’s campaign.

  26. 26.

    Harrison Wesley

    March 11, 2024 at 6:38 pm

    Senate Republicans really do have an embarrassment of riches (emphasis on “embarrasment”) in their membership.  After her close-up last week, Senator Britt appears poised to dive in.

  27. 27.

    AlaskaReader

    March 11, 2024 at 6:40 pm

    I remember when Mitch McConnell, (R-Moscow) took in millions from pro Putin oligarchs and their businesses for McConnell’s super pac.  Mitch then went on to push lifting sanctions on his oligarch benefactors along with blocking election security bills meant to blunt and block Putin’s efforts at undermining our national security.

    Sanctioned oligarchs and their businesses also funded Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, Ohio Governor John Kasich and Arizona Senator John McCain.

    Never elect Republicans.

    Mitch may wander off, but he and his fellow Republicans will maintain their ties to Putin.

  28. 28.

    Ohio Mom

    March 11, 2024 at 6:44 pm

    @hueyplong: Maybe she was drunk? She’d been hanging out with friends, maybe they were enjoying adult beverages.

    That’s the first thing I thought of, anyway. I could see a conspiracy to keep any toxicology report secret.

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    arrieve

    March 11, 2024 at 6:47 pm

    @Steeplejack: Being trapped in a car is one of my (many) phobias. I’ve ridden in Teslas a couple of times but this story convinced me never to do so again.

    The doors and windows won’t open if the car is submerged because the batteries short out, and while there is a manual door release it’s hidden. And the windows are designed to be unbreakable so the first responders couldn’t get into the car.

    I also saw a comment that it’s very easy to put the car into reverse without intending to because the Tesla is designed to be “intelligent” and so tends to do what it thinks you should want to do. I don’t know about that. The deathtrap doors are enough of a disincentive.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 6:50 pm

    @arrieve:

    Why are the windows unbreakable? Seems more expensive with an unclear benefit.

  31. 31.

    suzanne

    March 11, 2024 at 6:50 pm

    I have been super-busy for the last few days, but I have been enjoying the insane photo-editing story and conspiracy theories about Kate Middleton today. The internet has totally broken the royal family. LOL.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 6:51 pm

    @suzanne:

    Seems like they broke themselves.

  33. 33.

    MattF

    March 11, 2024 at 6:51 pm

    @Geminid: So… no more RNC.

  34. 34.

    Mousebumples

    March 11, 2024 at 6:53 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Maybe she was drunk? She’d been hanging out with friends, maybe they were enjoying adult beverages.

    That’s the first thing I thought of, anyway. I could see a conspiracy to keep any toxicology report secret.

    I’ll see if I can find the reporting from Bsky over the weekend.

    As I recall, yes, she was intoxicated. However, the Tesla doors and windows couldn’t be opened after water shorted out the tech, and the windows couldn’t be broken. She called friends, and 911,and they couldn’t get her out in time.

  35. 35.

    Mousebumples

    March 11, 2024 at 6:54 pm

    @arrieve: better explanation than mine. Thanks.

  36. 36.

    NotMax

    March 11, 2024 at 6:54 pm

    @MattF

    Robbing Numbskulls Cash.
    //

  37. 37.

    Mousebumples

    March 11, 2024 at 6:55 pm

    @suzanne: apparently William is going public with his married affair partner?

    I generally don’t care about royals, but I extra don’t care about him if he watched what went down with his parents and thought, gee, I need my own Camilla.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/lady-rose-hanbury-duchess-cholmondeley-william-kate-b2509900.html

    Eta x2 – that link is just about the affair partner, so i am going off gossip that William went public today or recently. TBD…

  38. 38.

    bjacques

    March 11, 2024 at 6:55 pm

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: undoing the damage Moscow Mitch has left in his wake (so far, and November is months away) could take awhile. Anyway, I’d add he should also live long enough to see himself and his evil works fade into obscurity, like, say, the Crédit Mobilier scandal. Maybe he needs the immortality of Tithonus.

  39. 39.

    suzanne

    March 11, 2024 at 6:57 pm

    @Baud: It blows my mind that they thought this could stay secret. We all know about Photoshop for zits and wrinkles. But, like, these are completely Frankensteined images.

    I really care about ethics in photojournalism, okayyyyy?

  40. 40.

    Jay

    March 11, 2024 at 6:59 pm

    @Baud:

    a lot of car thefts and thefts from cars start with a broken window. Most car windows, other than the windscreen, (which has a layer of plastic laminated into the center to keep shards of glass from blowing in in a front impact), shatter easily with a sharp strike.

    They even make an inexpensive safety tool that allows you to shatter the side or rear windows with one strike, deflate and remove the airbag, and cut the seatbelts

    Car thieves love it.

  41. 41.

    Ksmiami

    March 11, 2024 at 7:00 pm

    Fuck him. Rest in Pieces pos

  42. 42.

    NotMax

    March 11, 2024 at 7:00 pm

    @suzanne

    “All photographs are accurate. None of them is the truth.”
    — Richard Avedon
    ;)

  43. 43.

    sab

    March 11, 2024 at 7:01 pm

    @arrieve: We don’t have a Tesla, and we have a window breaking tool in the center console, and we gave one to each of the kids when they got their first car. You can buy them at auto parts stores.

  44. 44.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    March 11, 2024 at 7:01 pm

    @arrieve: Even if there is a manual door release if a significant portion of the doors are submerged the water pressure prevents most, maybe all humans from opening them. We just don’t have the strength to push against that pressure with enough force.

    Which is why it’s a good idea to keep an auto glass window breaker in your car because pretty much no cars have manual roll down windows anymore so if the water shorts out the electronics your options are break the glass and swim out or drown. So making the side windows unbreakable is really dumb.

  45. 45.

    Xavier

    March 11, 2024 at 7:02 pm

    The Republicans may find someone more conservative than McConnell but they won’t find anyone better at undermining democracy or at helping Trump.

  46. 46.

    MattF

    March 11, 2024 at 7:02 pm

    @Geminid: More details (gift link) from WaPo.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 7:03 pm

    @Jay:

    Thanks. Seems like a poor trade-off. But I’ve never had my car broken into.

  48. 48.

    wjca

    March 11, 2024 at 7:03 pm

    @Jeffro: It appears we’ve already got a bloodbath, metaphorically speaking, going on at the RNC.

    Let’s face it, they don’t need much staff if all they are going to do is take in money and pass it along to TIFG.  When waste money on salaries when it could go to grift instead?

  49. 49.

    Jeffro

    March 11, 2024 at 7:04 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: Nobody doesn’t pay a bill like Don Trump

    truth!

  50. 50.

    Jeffro

    March 11, 2024 at 7:04 pm

    @wjca: I think they need someone to make sure the routing numbers match up to trumpov’s bank account?

  51. 51.

    Jeffro

    March 11, 2024 at 7:06 pm

    🚨 note: I was alerted earlier today by my RWNJ dad that there’s supposed to be a segment on Laura Ingraham’s show tonight that tangentially impacts me…

    …so guess what I’m doing right now? 🤮

    ETA: What an absolutely demented freak she is.  Did y’all know that “big donors” and “plutocrats” are behind BIDENS MEGA BORDER CRISIS?  It’s literally ‘I’m rubber, you’re glue’ all the way down…

  52. 52.

    scav

    March 11, 2024 at 7:07 pm

    @Jay: Can’t find it yet, but I recently read that more cars are coming with laminated side windows and thus are getting harder to bust out of, even with tools.  I’ll try a bit more for the link.  Had to do with testing the common tools to get out.

     

    eta not what I read, but was cited in it.  AAA report ca 2018/9 about the laminates in side windows and the tools.

  53. 53.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 7:07 pm

    @Jeffro:

    What did you do this time?

  54. 54.

    Geminid

    March 11, 2024 at 7:07 pm

    @MattF: There will still be an RNC next year, probably with a lot of unpaid bills.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 7:07 pm

    @Geminid:

    Repossessed National Committee.

  56. 56.

    Jay

    March 11, 2024 at 7:12 pm

    @Baud:

    It’s an entitled douche trade off.

    Back when I had a Volkswagon Cabrio, I would leave the doors unlocked, so that thieves wouldn’t slash the top to gain entry, ($3800),

    instead they tried* to “bump” the locks with a screwdriver and hammer, ruining the door locks, ($450).

    *does not work on VW’s,

    the next time they broke the passenger side wing window, ($750).

    Morons,………..

    Never had a vehicle stolen, but had almost every one broken into at some time.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 7:16 pm

    @Jay:

    Canada sounds awful.

  58. 58.

    Princess

    March 11, 2024 at 7:17 pm

    @Steeplejack: I’m sorry but what? The terrain was so bad the first responder vehicles couldn’t make it out there but her Tesla could? What was she doing driving by the pond anyway? And she had it in R long enough to crash through the embankment?

  59. 59.

    Jay

    March 11, 2024 at 7:20 pm

    https://info.glass.com/laminated-vs-tempered-car-side-windows/

  60. 60.

    Eyeroller

    March 11, 2024 at 7:21 pm

    @Baud: Supposedly to prevent occupants from being ejected in a more typical crash.

  61. 61.

    Eyeroller

    March 11, 2024 at 7:26 pm

    @Mousebumples: To defend King Charles a bit (not that I care about him), Camilla was his first true love.  She decided he wasn’t going to be able to marry her, so she moved on.  After Diana’s death Charles whined about how “My mother made me marry her” (such a romantic). But it seems pretty clear he pined for Camilla for decades.  So at least they got some time together.

    I have no idea what’s going on with William, though, and don’t really care.

  62. 62.

    Princess

    March 11, 2024 at 7:30 pm

    @suzanne: Given many of the obviously shopped bits are in a halo around her head, one could wonder if her head was in fact shopped into someone else. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

  63. 63.

    Jay

    March 11, 2024 at 7:32 pm

    @Baud:

    Where I had vehicles broken into were Coquitlam, ( Vancouver suburb, entitled juvie douche), the condo “security parking” on Commercial Drive, ( Vancouver proper, entitled juvie douche), South Burnaby, ( Vancouver suburb, entitled juvie douche).

    Never had an issue parking in the scummy areas of the city.

    Ontario has gotten it really bad, as there are car theft rings cloning car fobs*, stealing vehicles, loading then in containers and shipping them abroad.

    *they can remotely clone you car fob from 20 feet away, even through your closed front door.

  64. 64.

    MomSense

    March 11, 2024 at 7:36 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Fuck Daylight Savings and Mitch McConnell.

     

    Also too Paul Ryan. I still loathe that fucking guy.  No, there is no honor in a child being hungry.  He is a GD sociopath.

  65. 65.

    MomSense

    March 11, 2024 at 7:37 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    The House “Freedom” Caucus takes their marching orders from Trump/Putin.  They are traitors.

  66. 66.

    AlaskaReader

    March 11, 2024 at 7:38 pm

    @Jay: You probably know but a good mechanic can wire in a simple ‘deadman’ switch, locate it on an inside wheel well, or similar ‘hidden’ spot and the fob cloners will be defeated, and for those who value their remote start in cold climates, that deadpan can be put on another remote.

  67. 67.

    Jackie

    March 11, 2024 at 7:38 pm

    @Jeffro: The RNC is officially dead. Henceforth it will be the TNC.

    The ensuing blood bath will be brutal. Or entertaining, depending on one’s perspective.

  68. 68.

    Jay

    March 11, 2024 at 7:40 pm

    @Princess:

    First Responders made it out there, but could not get through the windows, (no sawsall) or pry open the doors, (no jaws of life).

    Most First Responders are not set up to deal with Tesla and like vehicles.

    For example, a Tesla caught fire on the Grandville Street bridge. It took 8 tank trucks of water and 6 hours to put the fire out, and the fire burned so hot that it damaged the bridge deck and deck structure.

    If your vehicle has laminated windows, if you can’t open the door, you are supposed to try the rear window or the sunroof as those are rarely laminated.

  69. 69.

    Jeffro

    March 11, 2024 at 7:42 pm

    @Jackie: I’m just laying down markers now with folks, so that I can THOROUGHLY enjoy the “told you so” part later

  70. 70.

    arrieve

    March 11, 2024 at 7:42 pm

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: I was curious about the “putting the car accidentally in reverse” thing, and just saw this on Bluesky.

    There’s no manual gearshift. According to Elon the car determines the drive direction based on “obstacles it sees, context, and nav map.” If it’s not the direction you actually want to go in, you have to override on the touchscreen.

  71. 71.

    Mousebumples

    March 11, 2024 at 7:45 pm

    @Eyeroller: yeah, I know that Camilla was his first love, but that’s almost another reason why royalty is so forked up. I don’t love infedility, period, but adding in the spotlight of Fame and Power doesn’t make things better.

  72. 72.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 11, 2024 at 7:48 pm

    @suzanne: I’ve mentioned this here before, but somewhere on my bookshelves is a book entitled The Reconfigured Eye: Visual Truth in the Post-Photographic Era. It was published, if memory serves, in 1992. The issues are not new, but of course they aren’t getting better.

  73. 73.

    Jackie

    March 11, 2024 at 7:51 pm

    @Jeffro: Me, too! One of the rare times I’ll use “told you so!” with glee!😁

  74. 74.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    March 11, 2024 at 7:53 pm

    @Jay:

    I’ve read that some manufacturers are installing laminated glass in the sides of the car to keep people from being ejected (partially or completely) in an accident. I think Tesla is one of the companies doing this. If so, this should be broadcast far and wide so people can plan accordingly.

  75. 75.

    hueyplong

    March 11, 2024 at 7:54 pm

    @Jackie: I’m not interested in the details of the bloodbath but will read the casualty lists with great satisfaction.

  76. 76.

    MomSense

    March 11, 2024 at 7:55 pm

    @Mousebumples:

    The person who broke the story about his affair partner, Rose, admitted he was drunk and it isn’t true.

    It’s honestly so fucking stupid how people are embracing  conspiracy theories.

  77. 77.

    Jay

    March 11, 2024 at 7:58 pm

    @AlaskaReader:

    when I had little money, I used a hidden circuit key switch, ($3.59) wired into the fuel pump circuit. On the carb vehicles, they could start the vehicle, and drive it maybe 10 feet, on the EFI vehicles, they couldn’t even start them.

    Later, when I was doing okay, added a car alarm/immobilizer and pager to the mix. The pager would alert me if somebody was trying to break in, or it the car was hit while parked.

    Adding the car alarm stopped all the entitled juvie douchbags from trying to break in or steal the cars, they just saw the flashing LED and chose a different (easier) target.

    The issue with many new cars is that all you need to enter the car or start it, is use the fob or a phone, and you can do it remotely. People are lax about the security and some of the “security” products, (doorbell cameras, etc) have no security.

  78. 78.

    Another Scott

    March 11, 2024 at 8:04 pm

    McConnell told everyone his underlying beliefs about politics decades ago, when he was teaching at the University of Louisville… NPR.org (from 2019):

    MCEVERS: All right. We are back. And at this point, I’m going to hand it over to Tom Dreisbach. He’s a producer on the show. And he’s been digging into Mitch McConnell’s decades of work on money and politics. Here’s Tom.

    TOM DREISBACH, BYLINE: So the way a lot of people talk about it, raising money is one of those kind of unfortunate chores that goes along with running for office. Mitch McConnell is not one of those people. He talks about money very differently. And here’s a story about McConnell that should tell you exactly what I mean.

    JOHN CHEVES: Back in the 1970s, he was teaching a class in political science at the University of Louisville.

    DREISBACH: John Cheves is an investigative reporter with the Lexington Herald-Leader. And he heard this story from one of McConnell’s students.

    CHEVES: McConnell went to the front of the classroom and wrote on the chalkboard, I’m going to tell you the three things you need to succeed in politics and to build a political party – money, money, money.

    (SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)

    DREISBACH: For someone who sees money as a key to politics like McConnell, it was certainly helpful that he was very good at raising that money.

    ALAN SIMPSON: I mean, that just goes without saying. He’s a master at it.

    DREISBACH: That’s Alan Simpson, a former Republican senator from Wyoming.

    (Emphasis added.)

    He wanted money, he wanted to be able to do what he wanted with the money he got, and he wanted to be able to control who else got money.

    That’s it.

    Grr…,
    Scott.

  79. 79.

    Nukular Biskits

    March 11, 2024 at 8:07 pm

    Good evenin’, y’all.

    DST is kickin’ my ass.

  80. 80.

    lowtechcyclist

    March 11, 2024 at 8:08 pm

    @arrieve:

    If it’s not the direction you actually want to go in, you have to override on the touchscreen.

    Which I’m sure is really easy to do in a moment of confusion and panic.

    That’s fucking crazy. No, I do NOT want a car deciding for me whether I should be going forward or backward.

  81. 81.

    Jay

    March 11, 2024 at 8:08 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    the glass is etched, it should tell you at the makers mark if it is laminated or tempered.

    If the makers mark is illegible. you can roll the window down part way and look at the top of the window. If the window is laminated, you will see the dividing line, (the poly) between the two pieces of glass.

  82. 82.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    March 11, 2024 at 8:08 pm

    Well *I* heard that the “Tesla drowning” incident was a direct result of Moscow Mitch announcing that he’s stepping down from leadership, with Satan sending the message to Mitt: YOUR DEBT MUST BE PAID

  83. 83.

    cain

    March 11, 2024 at 8:12 pm

    @Eyeroller: I’m not sure he pined since I believe the two of them were carrying on while he was still married to Diana.

    That poor woman led such a sad life.

  84. 84.

    Jay

    March 11, 2024 at 8:12 pm

    @Snarki, child of Loki:

    nope, it was Apartheid Clyde, in the pond, with a Tesla.

    Who needs to play Clue,………..

  85. 85.

    trnc

    March 11, 2024 at 8:14 pm

    McConnell on the Senate floor announcing his upcoming retirement as Senate leader: “Believe me, I know the politics within my party at this particular moment in time. I have many faults. Misunderstanding politics is not one of them.”

    Correct. Putting politics over the health of the nation is.

  86. 86.

    karen marie

    March 11, 2024 at 8:14 pm

    @matt:   I posted this downstairs, forgetting upstairs was here.

    Chao’s sister’s Tesla killed her.

    Reports that “she thought she was putting it in drive but put it in reverse by mistake” don’t even begin to describe what happened.  There is no knob or button in a Tesla for anything, including park/drive/reverse.  There’s only a fucking touchscreen with dozens of tiny icons, and it sure as fuck isn’t  something you can figure out on the fly or apparently even keep track of, even if you’re a very rich person.

    @Mousebumples:  The fucking car was the death of her.  Check out the link – it’s Tom Socca’s “Indignity.”

  87. 87.

    Jay

    March 11, 2024 at 8:15 pm

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    the laminated side glass also cuts down on “road noise”,……

    so it’s more used on “higher end” vehicles.

  88. 88.

    Chris T.

    March 11, 2024 at 8:16 pm

    @MomSense:

    Fuck Daylight Savings

    Only one “s” in Daylight Saving Time (they’re saving on S-es).

    I’m in the “DST or no-DST, just pick one and stick with it” camp myself.

  89. 89.

    Ohio Mom

    March 11, 2024 at 8:20 pm

    @arrieve: There’s probably no rule that a car has to have a manual gearshift because it seemed obvious there would be one. Like saying there has to be somewhere for the driver to sit.

    Everyone here has convinced me. Mitch’s SIL might have been tipsy or more but the car’s engineering doomed her.

  90. 90.

    Frankensteinbeck

    March 11, 2024 at 8:22 pm

    And yet – in his absence – the @SenateGOP will invariably select someone more extreme.

    No.  Only someone more clumsy and obvious.

    are they tongue-tied about how to politely say he broke the Senate, Supreme Court, and his own party?

    And this is relevant.  Mitch was absolutely fantastic at playing the media.  He was exactly what the national press idolized – a cutthroat, utterly dishonest and unethical politician who wanted to grind down the faces of the poor, but did all that with a bland smile and jovial, eloquent words.  A real Southern gentleman.  He was the dignified abusive daddy they want the GOP to be.

    @Geminid:

    He could have pushed through another Covid relief bill instead, and that might have helped push Trump across the finish line.

    McConnell hates the American people and hates helping them.  I’m astonished they managed to get him to approve any relief bill.  This is the motherfucker who laughed when asked about the death and suffering caused by Covid.

  91. 91.

    H.E.Wolf

    March 11, 2024 at 8:29 pm

    @Chris T.: ​”I’m in the “DST or no-DST, just pick one and stick with it” camp myself.”
     It’s been tried. :)
    https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/

  92. 92.

    Another Scott

    March 11, 2024 at 8:32 pm

    @Eyeroller:

    Stefan Smith
    @TheStefanSmith
    10h

    The Princess of Wales is missing and the spare Prince is in exile and the King is treating his cancer with herbs. If this were the 1300s France would be looking to invade.

    Mar 11, 2024 · 2:11 PM UTC

    Forsooth! Thou hath slain me!!1

    (via AngryBlackLady)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  93. 93.

    Chris T.

    March 11, 2024 at 8:35 pm

    @H.E.Wolf: I was around then, and in school so I was affected by this as well, but: it doesn’t matter, for many of us, whether we’re on DST or off DST, we’ll have dark in the mornings and/or in the evenings. Here in the far north of the Pacific NorthWet, it’s gloomy and rainy from about 9 AM to 3 PM, and dark the rest of the time, all winter. Shifting the time zone numbers about still just makes it gloomy and rainy and fully-dark at school start and/or end.

  94. 94.

    Kathleen

    March 11, 2024 at 8:38 pm

    @MomSense: Every time a child got  health insurance Paul Ryan tore a wing off of an angel.

  95. 95.

    WaterGirl

    March 11, 2024 at 8:49 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:

    No, I do NOT want a car deciding for me whether I should be going forward or backward.

    Things we never thought we would have to say.

  96. 96.

    lowtechcyclist

    March 11, 2024 at 8:49 pm

    @Chris T.:

    I’m in the “DST or no-DST, just pick one and stick with it” camp myself.

    I’ve already adapted to DST, I’m almost ready to go to bed at what was 7:40pm EST. It’s rarely taken me more than a couple of days to transition.

    I’ve never understood what the hullabaloo was about.  I don’t want it to be dark until 8am in the winter, and in the summer I’d rather have daylight between 8pm and 9pm rather than between 4am and 5am.  Both of these strike me as no-brainers, and the cost is a couple of days of having to get back in sync twice a year.

    I’d do some fine-tuning: if I could wave a magic wand, the ‘spring forward’ would be the last weekend of March rather than the second weekend. And it would also be in the wee hours of Saturday morning rather than Sunday morning, to give those on M-F work schedules an extra day to adapt before the alarm goes off on Monday.  And in the fall, the ‘fall back’ would be in the wee hours of Monday rather than Sunday morning, so you’d get that extra hour of sleep before going to work Monday morning.

    But that’s really it. The general idea of DST totally makes sense to me, and strikes me as a big gain of usable daylight at minimal cost.

  97. 97.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 8:49 pm

    CBS news headline

    Biden budget would cut taxes for millions and restore breaks for families. Here’s what to know.

  98. 98.

    Harrison Wesley

    March 11, 2024 at 8:52 pm

    Seem to be many who are suffering from P-DST-TSD

  99. 99.

    lowtechcyclist

    March 11, 2024 at 8:54 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Things we never thought we would have to say.

    Indeed.

  100. 100.

    cain

    March 11, 2024 at 8:57 pm

    @Baud: Well looks like maybe the press is learning. Surprised there isn’t an added “this is bad news for Biden”.

    #100 again??! Yeeha!

  101. 101.

    cain

    March 11, 2024 at 8:59 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Treating his cancer with herbs? Did they learn nothing from Apple founder Steve Jobs??!

  102. 102.

    Baud

    March 11, 2024 at 8:59 pm

    @cain:

    I’m 101 like the dalmatian.

    Damn you, Cain!!!!

  103. 103.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    March 11, 2024 at 9:00 pm

    Regarding the title here, you misspelled “slithers”… ;)

  104. 104.

    lowtechcyclist

    March 11, 2024 at 9:02 pm

    @H.E.Wolf:

    ”I’m in the “DST or no-DST, just pick one and stick with it” camp myself.”It’s been tried. :)https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/

    TBF, we didn’t try permanent DST in the 1970s.  As the article says, we started DST in January 1974 rather than in April on account of the energy crisis.

    We were going to try year-round DST, but the opposition was so intense that the law got repealed in time to go back to standard time in October 1974.  So we can’t honestly say year-round DST has been tried.​

  105. 105.

    WaterGirl

    March 11, 2024 at 9:07 pm

    @Baud: Here’s what to know?

    I know, I know!  The Republicans will make every attempt to block it!

    Did I win?

  106. 106.

    cmorenc

    March 11, 2024 at 9:07 pm

    Who would ever have thought only 10 years ago that in 2024 we would be fondly pining for thr GOP of Reagan, and even Reagan as President?  Ok, well Hell no, not really, but you know what I mean – which is how could we have imagined only 10 years ago  the GOP and it’s most recent President would become several orders of magnitude worse?

    Reagan was at least loyal to his own country and not personally a greedy narcissist out only for himself, though he had a badly misbegotten vision of the interests of his fellow citizens and skewed toward those of the wealthier ones who he saw as makers, not takers.  Though likely not personally racist, he nonetheless was not above following Nixon’s cynical “southern strategy”, starting with purposely choosing Philadelphia, Mississipi to kick off his 1980 campaign – in contrast to Trump’s even vastly mote blatantly overt racism anf fanning of racial fears in aggressively inflammatory language.  Again, i am not praising Reagan, but rather comparatively putting him in contrast with Trump.

    Reagan’s GOP we miss you- not really, but we could never have dreamed how far into a lethal cesspool your party and its presidential candidate could have fallen from even your standards.

  107. 107.

    catclub

    March 11, 2024 at 9:11 pm

    McConnell is getting blame for all the things he did as majority or minority leader of the Senate GOP.
    If they objected to anything he did, he could be booted out of that position. The fact that they did not means that he was doing their business, with their consent. So I don’t blame him as some evil genius for those things as much as the entire GOP senate delegation.

    Some body noted that fundraising from Putin to McConnell may be down. I would say THAT is a reason to step down.

  108. 108.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 11, 2024 at 9:12 pm

    @Kathleen: this is why you’re a valued commenter!

  109. 109.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 11, 2024 at 9:16 pm

    @cmorenc:
     

    Reagan was at least loyal to his own country

    Can’t agree with that, seeing as how he committed treason to get elected

  110. 110.

    Jackie

    March 11, 2024 at 9:17 pm

    @Harrison Wesley: I don’t suffer with the DLS time – but I’m a morning person, and the extra sunlight hour in the evenings helps me with SAD Syndrome.

    Switching back to Standard Time in the fall kicks my SAD into gear – darkness by 4 pm aggregates that. I love evenings outside and love sunsets, but ST means missing sunsets as they happen too early for me. I also miss grilling outdoors as it’s pitch dark by 5:00.

    I need to find a paradise near the equator where it doesn’t get too hot or humid 😂

  111. 111.

    catclub

    March 11, 2024 at 9:17 pm

    @Another Scott: and this also explains why he was Senate GOP leader. the leader is typically the best fundraiser, so he can distribute funds to others, who now owe him.

  112. 112.

    catclub

    March 11, 2024 at 9:18 pm

    @Jackie: Find the right altitude on the big mountains of hawaii. or equador?

  113. 113.

    WaterGirl

    March 11, 2024 at 9:24 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Oh, that little thing?  I’m sure the hostages didn’t mind.

  114. 114.

    WaterGirl

    March 11, 2024 at 9:25 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: They have been corrupt for a very long time.  Just not this brazen about it.  That, and nearly a third of the population hadn’t lost its collective mind.

  115. 115.

    WaterGirl

    March 11, 2024 at 9:26 pm

    @Jackie: Good luck with that last part! :-)

  116. 116.

    Jackie

    March 11, 2024 at 9:38 pm

    @WaterGirl: No kidding! That’s why I said paradise 😉

  117. 117.

    NotMax

    March 11, 2024 at 9:52 pm

    @WaterGirl

    No clock changes in Hawaii.

  118. 118.

    frosty

    March 11, 2024 at 9:56 pm

    @Jackie: Try La Paz, Bolivia. OK, not quite a Paradise but it meets your weather and equator requirements. … um, how good are you at breathing at 12,000 feet?

  119. 119.

    wjca

    March 11, 2024 at 10:15 pm

    @lowtechcyclist: the cost is a couple of days of having to get back in sync twice a year.

    If you do any significant east-west (airplane) travel, you are already accustomed to having your body temporarily out of sync with the clocks.  It’s a pest, perhaps.  But I find that 24 hours, and a bit of extra sleep, get me adapted.  Even when it’s an 8 or 12 hour time difference. 

  120. 120.

    AlaskaReader

    March 11, 2024 at 10:26 pm

    Anywhere close to the Arctic is wholly unsuited for DST.  When I’m looking at a minimum of 18 hours of daylight in the summer and conversely, 18 hours of dark in the winter, changing the clock one hour either way is the height of folly.

    But thanks to a Republican majority legislature, …here we are.

    The whole nation should go to Standard Time and stay there.

  121. 121.

    Steve Crickmore

    March 11, 2024 at 10:34 pm

    “Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”
    ― George Bernard Shaw

  122. 122.

    RevRick

    March 11, 2024 at 11:18 pm

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: Yes, there’s a tradition of not speaking ill of the dead, so about McConnell’s person, I will say nothing. But about his works, I will say one thing: he has created a new rule, the McConnell rule. It is thusly stated: if the Constitution does not forbid it, you may do it (like saying f-u to a Presidential nominee), and if the Constitution permits it, you should do it maximally.

    If the Democrats hold the Senate, regain the House, and we re-elect President Biden, I would modestly suggest they first , carve out an exception to the filibuster for adding states to the union and add two: the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico/Virgin Islands, and also expand Hawaii to include our other Pacific islands territories.
    Next, I would carve out a filibuster proof exception for rights-related legislation and pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and Codify Roe. In addition, in a shot across the bow directed at the Supreme Court, I would add a provision under Article 3, Section 2, stripping the courts of authority to rule on said acts constitutionality.
    I would definitely kill Trump’s tax cuts* under Reconciliation, while enacting the Child Care tax credits and college debt relief under that provision as well.

    Above all else, I would find ways to utterly neuter McConnell in the minority, so he would have to witness all his handiwork undone. Helplessly.
    But I will not speak ill of the dead.

  123. 123.

    wjca

    March 12, 2024 at 1:15 am

    @RevRick: But I will not speak ill of the dead.

    He ain’t dead yet.  So no need to hold back.

  124. 124.

    Paul in KY

    March 12, 2024 at 8:43 am

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: Once the interior of the car fills up with water, you can then open the doors. Takes someone with nerves of steel to wait it out and then execute that maneuver.

  125. 125.

    Paul in KY

    March 12, 2024 at 8:45 am

    @Jay: Had an 83 Celica stolen out of my driveway. Like a dumbass, I had my keys ‘hidden’ in car and they found em & off they went. Did get car recovered and never did that again.

  126. 126.

    Paul in KY

    March 12, 2024 at 8:50 am

    @Another Scott: In the 1300s, the spare would not be in exile as the courtiers would have treated him much, much better since (back then) there was a real probability that he might end up on throne.

    Other than that, great quip :-)

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