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Meet the Press Flap (Open Thread)

by Betty Cracker|  March 25, 20241:48 pm| 116 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Our Failed Media Experiment, Politics, Republican Stupidity

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Our shitty political press has been trading credibility for access and pushing horse race coverage as news forever, so it wasn’t surprising when NBC News hired Ronna McDaniel as a paid election analyst. But it was still an outrage because she is (or at least was until the conditions attached to receiving a paycheck changed) an election denier. One line the MSM outlets kinda-sorta enforced was refusing to pay people who lie about the outcome of the 2020 election.

Chuck Todd — of all people! — called his own employer out over the weekend about the hire: (Politico)

“There’s a reason why there’s a lot of journalists at NBC News uncomfortable with this,” Todd told Welker, citing prior “gaslighting” and “character assassination” from McDaniel’s RNC.

But this paragraph from the Politico piece demonstrates how MSM outlets STILL don’t get it and perhaps never will, even with a fascist dictatorship breathing down our necks:

The on-air protests represent what could be a seminal moment in political media as news organizations continue to grapple with how to responsibly represent voices from the Trump right on their screens and in their pages without handing their platforms over to election deniers or bad faith actors who have attacked and attempted to discredit their own reporters.

Emphasis mine because it’s as impossible to “responsibly represent voices from the Trump right” in news coverage as it is to responsibly serve botulism-infused pig rectums at a restaurant. Just don’t fucking try that. Cover “the Trump right” like you’d cover a violent fascist cult, because that’s what it is. 

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    1. 1.

      Cacti

      March 25, 2024 at 1:52 pm

      Ronna McDaniel’s lone political credential is being Mitt Romney’s niece

      Remember when you’re inclined to think of Mitt as a reasonable one, he’s the reason for Ronna’s employment.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Baud

      March 25, 2024 at 1:54 pm

      to responsibly serve botulism-infused pig rectums at a restaurant.

      I’m surprised Florida hasn’t made this legal yet.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Xavier

      March 25, 2024 at 1:54 pm

      Under the circumstances, can’t think of any reason to believe anything she says.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Xavier

      March 25, 2024 at 1:55 pm

      @Baud: Mandatory.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Omnes Omnibus

      March 25, 2024 at 1:55 pm

      @Baud: Yet is the load bearing word there.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      trnc

      March 25, 2024 at 1:55 pm

      Our shitty political press has been trading credibility for access and pushing horse race coverage as news forever, so it wasn’t surprising when NBC News hired Ronna McDaniel as a paid election analyst.

      We’re getting polls now that say DT is leading Biden on most policy issues. How would most people even know what the policies are, given that actual policy is rarely discussed during race coverage.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Baud

      March 25, 2024 at 1:58 pm

      @trnc:

      White supremacy is the one policy to rule them all.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Old School

      March 25, 2024 at 2:04 pm

      @Baud:

      I’m surprised Florida hasn’t made this legal yet.

      Pretty sure the Supreme Court overruling the FDA’s job to prevent it will come first.

      The free market will determine the amount served!

      Reply
    9. 9.

      SomeRandomGuy

      March 25, 2024 at 2:04 pm

      Someday, it will amaze people that we allowed actual *journalists* to be bribed for “access”.

      “So, people would tell political journalists about an actual scheme to overthrow the government extra-legally, and the journalists wouldn’t treat it as a hot scoop – no, they’d BURY it, because burying the story of an autogolpe was the price for learning about it early!”

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Captain C

      March 25, 2024 at 2:05 pm

      impossible to “responsibly represent voices from the Trump right” in news coverage

      Sure it is.

      Cover “the Trump right” like you’d cover a violent fascist cult, because that’s what it is. 

      Just like this.  That would be responsibly representing the voices on the Trump right.  Just don’t give them any airtime to push their horrid bullshit.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Kathleen

      March 25, 2024 at 2:11 pm

      @Baud: Exactly They get it. They’re happy to enable fascism for a variety of reasons that really don’t matter other than the fact they’re happy to enable fascism. We’re the ones who need to get that and stop making excuses (clicks, revenues etc etc etc). As long as they support Trump and the oligarchs of the Republican Party they. Support. Fascism. This is how we respond to them. It’s simple. Nothing else needs to be said. ETA And White Nationalism is part of that package as you said.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      catclub

      March 25, 2024 at 2:12 pm

      @Baud: you might NOT want to go down an internet rabbit hole about calamari and pig intestines.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Jackie

      March 25, 2024 at 2:14 pm

      Morning Joe was pretty scathing in their disgust about NBC’s decision this morning:

      The on-air protests against NBC News’s hiring of Ronna McDaniel continued this morning, with Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski deeply critical of the move on “Morning Joe,” Politico reports.

      Said Scarborough: “We weren’t asked our opinion of the hiring but, if we were, we would have strongly objected to it for several reasons.”

      Said on anonymous source: “No hosts or correspondents were given any kind of heads up on this. People are pissed. It is a deeply unpopular move.”

      Reply
    14. 14.

      geg6

      March 25, 2024 at 2:15 pm

      @SomeRandomGuy: ​
       
      You forgot to add “And all so they could write a book about it several years later and make bank.”

      Reply
    15. 15.

      SteveinPHX

      March 25, 2024 at 2:15 pm

      Ronna McDaniel is just going to keep carrying the GOP/Trump’s water.

      Philip Bump stated the obvious this morning: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/25/ronna-mcdaniel-nbc-trump/

      She got, and NBC gave her this job, under fraudulent circumstances.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      Dangerman

      March 25, 2024 at 2:22 pm

      Eyeballs* and clicks. Same as it ever was.

      /talking heads

      ETA: OK, maybe clicks isn’t forever.

      *see, for example, LA Weather Women. Only so many ways to say Sunny and 80 (or 100 in the Summer)  so bring in the “talent”

      Reply
    17. 17.

      MattF

      March 25, 2024 at 2:26 pm

      @SteveinPHX: A good point. McDaniel is as far from an actual political analyst as you can get. A nepotism hire, she saw her job at the RNC was to simply repeat whatever TFG said.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      HumboldtBlue

      March 25, 2024 at 2:27 pm

      So a NY appeals court has slashed Trump’s penalty to $175 million dollars and given him a 10-day extension to pay the judgement. We have never seen a fraudster, a convicted fraudster, given such privilege, such accommodation.

      Lisa Rubin has more:

      NEW: Yes, Trump got his bond in the civil fraud case reduced to $175 million. But guess what? The court denied his motion to stay the provision of the judgment forbidding him from borrowing from financial institutions registered or chartered in NY state.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      moops

      March 25, 2024 at 2:28 pm

      Surely *THIS* new hire will make the MAGA cultist respect us and tune in to our programs!

      Reply
    20. 20.

      cain

      March 25, 2024 at 2:30 pm

      @Captain C: I think one issue is that it feels like at least 35-40% of this country are MAGA and that’s a pretty large cult and you can bet some of those 35-40% are the executives at these media companies.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      trollhattan

      March 25, 2024 at 2:30 pm

      Speaking of assholes.

      Steve Garvey says he’s “working diligently” to resolve his tax debts by the end of the year. The Sacramento Bee reported last week that the Republican candidate for California’s U.S. Senate seat owed at least $350,000 and as much as $750,000 in back state and local taxes.

      On Monday, Garvey said, “We have been taking this very seriously, have always filed our taxes on time, and we have been working diligently with our accountant and the IRS to resolve this debt by the end of the year.” The statement, first reported by Fox News, was sent to The Bee in an email. Garvey provided no further details. The tax liability was part of Garvey’s required financial disclosure statement, filed last month with the Senate records office.

      Garvey, a former star first baseman for the Los Angeles Dodgers and San Diego Padres, is making his first run for public office. Such a large tax liability is extremely rare on a federal financial disclosure form, said Robert Maguire, research director at the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a nonpartisan watchdog group. The disclosure form showed that Garvey incurred between $250,001 and $500,000 in federal tax liability in 2011. He also owes $100,001 to $250,000 to California’s coffers, also for taxes incurred in 2011, the statement said. In both cases, it listed 8% interest on the balance due. The statement does not specify the source of the taxes or whether the taxes are personal or business liabilities.

      https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article287069445.html#storylink=cpy

      The only crime remains getting caught.

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    22. 22.

      WaterGirl

      March 25, 2024 at 2:31 pm

      @SteveinPHX: They need to drop her.  YESTERDAY.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Old School

      March 25, 2024 at 2:32 pm

      @trollhattan:

      Steve Garvey says he’s “working diligently” to resolve his tax debts by the end of the year.

      So after the election.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 25, 2024 at 2:37 pm

      @Baud:

      to responsibly serve botulism-infused pig rectums at a restaurant.

      I’m surprised Florida hasn’t made mandated this legal yet.

      Fixed that for you, Baud.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      jonas

      March 25, 2024 at 2:39 pm

      Chuck Todd? Didn’t he once claim it was the media’s job just to let interviewees just say whatever they want and “let the viewers decide,” without any intervening pushback or context about what is, you know, lies and bullshit and what’s not?

      Reply
    26. 26.

      Ksmiami

      March 25, 2024 at 2:39 pm

      @trnc: polling is broken- but if fascism is what America wants…

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Dangerman

      March 25, 2024 at 2:39 pm

      @trollhattan: Steve Garvey says he’s “working diligently”

      OJ, also working diligently, to find ….

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Baud

      March 25, 2024 at 2:41 pm

      @Ksmiami:

      Yep, that’s where I am. The benefits of being old.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      jonas

      March 25, 2024 at 2:41 pm

      @HumboldtBlue: NY courts almost habitually roll back judgments against high-rolling white collar criminals. It’s why so many banks and hedge funds still stay in Manhattan. If worse comes to worse, they know who’s got their backs.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      dirge

      March 25, 2024 at 2:41 pm

      @HumboldtBlue:

      Lisa Rubin has more:

      The court denied his motion to stay the provision of the judgment forbidding him from borrowing from financial institutions registered or chartered in NY state.

      Lisa Rubin is incorrect about this.  See text of the order in her tweet.  It’s number 4 in the list of provisions that are stayed.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      Betty

      March 25, 2024 at 2:41 pm

      It is being reported that NBC executives started building ties with Ronna at the time of the debate she set up with them. Apparently this was not a sudden decision. They decided to ignore the negative reaction of employees.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      debit

      March 25, 2024 at 2:42 pm

      @trollhattan:  Having worked in a tax office, I have seen this happen:

      Client says, “Don’t pay my taxes because reasons.”

      Tax office says, “You know they won’t just go away, right?”

      Client says, “That’s a problem for future me.”

      Tax office: Shrug. Puts copy of discussion in client’s folder for future tax office.

      Client: Forgets. Then gets notices. Sends notices to tax office with a note saying “take care of this.”

      Tax office: “So…pay it?”

      Client: “Are you kidding me?! Dispute it! Fight it! What the hell am I paying you for?!”

      Tax office: Dutifully files some sort of dispute, maybe nothing more than trying to get rid of penalties.

      Client: Continues to ignore the notices, thinking the tax office knows some special secret to get him out of it.

      Tax office: Does not know any special secret.

      IRS: “Hey, we’ve been super patient, but now we’re going to levy your bank accounts.  And if you provide some sort of service to, say, Medicare, we’re going to levy those payments to you too.”

      Client: “What the fucking fuck?! Tax office, call me! Fix this!”

      Tax office: “So…pay it?”

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Jeffro

      March 25, 2024 at 2:42 pm

      The press has many failings.

      Allowing the hack’s hack, Marc Thiessen, to show his human side (and as a fellow frequent concert-goer at that!) is just unacceptable.

      When Frank Sinatra came to Washington in 1992, I almost went to see him. But then I thought: Tickets are expensive, and his voice wasn’t what it once was. I skipped the show — and immediately regretted it. Next time, I told myself. But there was no next time. A few years later, he was gone. I had passed up the chance to see one of the greatest voices of the 20th century.

      So, I made a decision: Every chance I had, I would see a performer whose music I love — regardless of age, infirmity or musical style. My mantra became: See them before they die. Over the past three decades, that quest has taken me to venues across the country to see every imaginable genre of live music.

      (Thiessen proceeds to name-check several dozen bands that he’s seen, most of them not horrible.  And – ewwww – we were both apparently at the same Peter Gabriel show last year!)

      I’m still seeing artists for the first time. Over the past year or so, I’ve gone to my first Eagles and Elton John shows on their farewell tours, and seen the Doobie Brothers, reunited with Michael McDonald, on their 50th-anniversary tour (better late than never!)…sadly, I never saw Ric Ocasek of the Cars, Robert Palmer, Tina Turner, Tony Bennett, Meat Loaf, J. Geils or Prince before they died. I was in Toronto in 2017 and Tom Petty was in town, but I skipped it — and he died not even three months later.

      And this exposes the one big flaw in my plan: Even if I do see them all, eventually all my favorite artists will, like Sinatra, leave us. What then? I’m seeing many of the musicians I love performing well into their 70s and beyond. But who will I see in when I’m in my 70s? So, I’m on the lookout for younger acts.  Even in late middle age, I still find immeasurable joy in discovering a new song and playing it until I know the words by heart — just like I did as a kid on my record player.  But as great as records are, nothing compares to seeing the songs you love performed live. So, I plan to keep going to see my favorites until they die — or I do.

      Thanks a LOT, Post!  Now every time I catch a show in the DC area, I’ll be scanning the crowd, wondering if I will see…(barf)…Marc freakin’ Thiessen!!

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Old Man Shadow

      March 25, 2024 at 2:44 pm

      Yet another example of how justice and karma are fairy tales we tell ourselves to convince ourselves that our universe has some meaning and being a good person is meaningful in some way.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      Tony G

      March 25, 2024 at 2:45 pm

      @Baud: Those people who are against food poisoning are the Woke Mob.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Betty

      March 25, 2024 at 2:45 pm

      @Jeffro: You think he’s been to a Taylor show?

      Reply
    37. 37.

      rikyrah

      March 25, 2024 at 2:47 pm

      @Cacti:

      And, she threw away her family name because the Orange Menace.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Captain C

      March 25, 2024 at 2:49 pm

      @cain: And even the ones who aren’t in the cult are happy with the taxes and the racism plans (provided they aren’t shouted so loudly and blatantly) and figure the leopard won’t eat their faces, even though the leopard has stated for years that he can’t wait to eat their tasty faces.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Anonymous At Work

      March 25, 2024 at 2:49 pm

      The problem is just after the part you bolded:

      without handing their platforms over to election deniers or bad faith actors

      Guess what?  There are no good-faith actors amidst those MAGAts granting media access.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      SteveinPHX

      March 25, 2024 at 2:49 pm

      @MattF: Impartial she ain’t!

       

      @WaterGirl: If I met her at a used car lot, I’d run the other way.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      piratedan

      March 25, 2024 at 2:50 pm

      @WaterGirl:  Does make you wonder who the fuck is in charge at MSNBC that signed off on this hiring, doesn’t it?  Their idea of journalistic integrity and informing their viewers seems to veer a bit from their own viewership when they’re more concerned with making sure that “Conservative viewpoints are represented”.  Ummmm are Joe Scarborough, Katy Tur and Mrs Greenspan not doing their jobs to your satisfaction?

      Reply
    42. 42.

      dirge

      March 25, 2024 at 2:52 pm

      @Old Man Shadow: justice and karma are fairy tales

      Well, yeah, but like most social constructs, they’re the sort of fairy tales that become true if and only if enough people believe them and act accordingly.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Jeffro

      March 25, 2024 at 2:53 pm

      @Betty: I have zero doubt that if he had gone to see Taylor Swift, he would have put it in the piece.  75% of it is just him bragging who he has seen, although he also notes this:

      I also hate it when politics gets in the way of music. Pat Benatar won’t play “Hit Me With Your Best Shot” live anymore to protest gun violence.  (I’m pretty sure the song refers to sex, not firearms.) But I’m happy to see artists whose politics I disagree with — if I weren’t, I’d have a very narrow list to choose from. Last year, I saw John Mellencamp, an outspoken man of the left, for the first time. Hearing “Pink Houses” live was well worth the political commentary. The only artist whose music I love but won’t see is Roger Waters. Antisemitism is a bridge too far for me.

      Ooooookay, Marc, thanks and good to know!

      Reply
    44. 44.

      SiubhanDuinne

      March 25, 2024 at 2:56 pm

      @rikyrah:

      Whereas many of us never failed to include her family name whenever we referred to her, just to remind everyone that, when all is said and done, SHE IS A RMONEY.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      geg6

      March 25, 2024 at 2:56 pm

      @Jeffro: ​
       
      There’s no person on his list that I haven’t seen, so what’s the big deal to brag about? I’ve seen dozens and dozens more than that. You don’t see me writing stupid columns about it.
      These stupid wingnuts in the media. They do something perfectly normal and expect applause for it.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      prostratedragon

      March 25, 2024 at 2:57 pm

      @piratedan:  I think it’s parent NBC, not the MSNBC that many of us watch sometime. One still should wonder, but with less surprise mixed in.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Marcopolo

      March 25, 2024 at 2:57 pm

      So here’s Josh Marshall’s (TPM) take: gift link 🤞

      The only other somewhat different take I’ve seen is NBC wants to hedge their bets if Trump wins in Nov (a slightly different flavor of access).

      My gut feeling is she’ll be gone before she can do much commenting (anyone remember Megyn Kelly?), but my guts been wrong before.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Baud

      March 25, 2024 at 2:58 pm

      @Marcopolo:

      Who did they hire in case Biden wins?

      Reply
    49. 49.

      citizen dave

      March 25, 2024 at 2:58 pm

      @Jeffro: Though I became a huge music fan in my adult life, I tend to spend my money to go see my very favorites, especially those who rarely toured (Tom Waits).  It takes a lot to get me out of the house to a show these days.

      To the point, how stupid would you have to be in 1992 to not know that Sinatra was at the very end of his touring life?  He retired in 1971 before coming back again.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      trollhattan

      March 25, 2024 at 2:58 pm

      @debit:

      LOL!

      After N rounds…
      Client: “Hi, my senator A, I want you to defund the IRS ASAP.”
      Client: “Hi, my senator B, I want you to defund the IRS ASAP.”
      Client: “Hi, my congresscritter, I want you to defund the IRS ASAP.”
      And, scene.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      stacib

      March 25, 2024 at 3:01 pm

      @prostratedragon: Supposedly, the choice to have her on will be left up to the individual shows.  I’m interested to see what happens if nobody* invites her on.

       

      *Scarborough, Nicolle Wallace, Michael Steele, etc.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Tony Jay

      March 25, 2024 at 3:01 pm

      The on-air protests represent what could be a seminal moment in political media as news organizations continue to grapple with how to responsibly represent voices from the Trump right on their screens and in their pages without handing their platforms over to election deniers or bad faith actors who have attacked and attempted to discredit their own reporters.

      Mmmm. Tricky. How do you responsibly represent something without letting it represent itself? Not honestly represent it, or accurately represent it, of course, because doing either of these things would expose it as being made up entirely of ‘election deniers or bad faith actors who have attacked and attempted to discredit their own reporters’, but responsibly represent it, where responsible has been re-engineered into a synonym for “without making it look bad to people who might be adverse to fascist thuggery and massive corruption”.

      I guess they could try just fucking right off. It wouldn’t wholly solve the problem, but their fully and comprehensively fucking right the fuck off would be a gigantic step in the right direction.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      trollhattan

      March 25, 2024 at 3:07 pm

      @Jeffro: He’s gonna love the AC/DC Torture Tour, opening with Pantera.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      catclub

      March 25, 2024 at 3:07 pm

      @Tony Jay: as news organizations continue to grapple with how to responsibly represent voices from the Trump right

       

      They never even bother to grapple with responsibly representing  voices from say… BLM.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Betty

      March 25, 2024 at 3:08 pm

      @stacib: I have read that she will not be on MSNBC at all, just NBC. I guess they know which audience would watch her.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      catclub

      March 25, 2024 at 3:09 pm

      @Tony Jay: also, they don’t need to ‘responsibly represent’. They could just report on who they are, what they’ve done and where the are. But that would be journalism.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Captain C

      March 25, 2024 at 3:10 pm

      @Baud: TIFG.  By then he’ll really need the money.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Ruckus

      March 25, 2024 at 3:11 pm

      @HumboldtBlue:

      It is quite possible that I’m misunderstanding but I understood that the only change was the bond amount. (I believe that’s what it is called, the amount he has to have the court hold.)

      This from NBC News:

      The AG’s office brushed off Monday’s ruling in a statement, saying: “Donald Trump is still facing accountability for his staggering fraud. The court has already found that he engaged in years of fraud to falsely inflate his net worth and unjustly enrich himself, his family, and his organization. The $464 million judgment — plus interest — against Donald Trump and the other defendants still stands.”

      IOW the judgment has not changed, only the amount of the holding bond. 

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      March 25, 2024 at 3:12 pm

      @Old Man Shadow: To quote the late great Sir Terry Pratchett, channeling the Reaper:

      THERE’S NO JUSTICE. THERE’S JUST ME.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      debit

      March 25, 2024 at 3:16 pm

      @trollhattan: Exit, pursued by revenue officers.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Scout211

      March 25, 2024 at 3:16 pm

      @prostratedragon: @piratedan

      The Politico report stated that all of the NBC Network News division heads agreed with the hire.  After the backlash, the heads then allowed some discretion for the individual shows.  We’ll see if that is accurate or just CYA at this point   

       

      The McDaniel deal was unanimously supported by leaders of all their networks, a knowledgeable person at NBC told us, including by RASHIDA JONES, president of MSNBC. The internal backlash began on Friday morning after Budoff Brown sent an email announcing that McDaniel would appear “across all NBC News platforms.”

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Baud

      March 25, 2024 at 3:16 pm

      @Ruckus:

      Correct.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      SomeRandomGuy

      March 25, 2024 at 3:17 pm

      @Old Man Shadow: Oh, how sweet! A faux-curmudgeon shows a belief in justice and something he calls “karma” – not the actual religious concept, just a bastardized version that showed up in the west – and demonstrates such strong faith that they matter!

      I mean, if there was no point in being a good person, there’d be no point to call on people do do so by contraries!

      Thank you Oscar – can I get some fresh flowers for that trash can of yours?

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Ruckus

      March 25, 2024 at 3:19 pm

      @geg6:

      They do something perfectly normal and expect applause for it.

      Our “normal” normal is not the same as their “normal.” They don’t do normal, they’ll do most anything but normal, because normal makes them one of the many, rather than making them “special.”

      Reply
    65. 65.

      topclimber

      March 25, 2024 at 3:20 pm

      @Ruckus: Thanks for pointing this out and saving me the trouble. IANAL but do you have to be one to understand the difference between lowering his appearance bond (think bail) and cutting his fine by two-thirds?

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Marcopolo

      March 25, 2024 at 3:26 pm

      So OT but I just read that we shouldn’t be worried about the dystopian future where AI takes everything over (including weapons systems) & wipes out the human race; what we really should be worried about is AI gobbling up so much energy (picture bit coin mining on steroids) that it creates shortages for humans.  Now, you might think “we’re in charge, we can just pull the plug,” but you haven’t read those stories where the plug puller gets electrocuted by the runaway rogue AI!

      Reply
    67. 67.

      piratedan

      March 25, 2024 at 3:27 pm

      @prostratedragon: becoming quite suspicious that our commenting jackaltariat is more savvy than 95% of network news organization staff.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      lee

      March 25, 2024 at 3:27 pm

      Honestly someone needs to goad her into expressing her election denying nonsense on air especially if they can get her to name Dominion or Smartmatic.

      She’d be gone by the end of day. MSNBC doesn’t have $700m to spend.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Marcopolo

      March 25, 2024 at 3:28 pm

      @Baud: Well, MSNBC has already platformed Jen Psacki, right?  Maybe Hunter if it’s a landslide?

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Layer8Problem

      March 25, 2024 at 3:29 pm

      @Old Man Shadow:
      “We’re all doomed, dooooomed!

      Oh, jeez, wait a sec, that was last thread.  Sorry everybody, my bad, carry on.”

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Eunicecycle

      March 25, 2024 at 3:30 pm

      @Marcopolo: we all remember HAL!

      Reply
    72. 72.

      Jeffro

      March 25, 2024 at 3:31 pm

      @geg6: These stupid wingnuts in the media…

      @citizen Dave: …how stupid would you have to be in 1992 to not know that Sinatra was at the very end of his touring life?

      guys, I didn’t say he was smart…just that I resented having to hear that there’s some semblance of a human being behind all the hackery.  =)

      He also talks about wearing his Reagan/Bush ’84 stuff to 80s concerts, so in addition to being dumb, hopefully concession vendors are hawking loogies into his beer.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Gin & Tonic

      March 25, 2024 at 3:32 pm

      So, uh, who remembers an Anthony Bourdain episode (probably pre-CNN) where he was somewhere in Africa and was served warthog rectum? He had trouble consuming that. But it was fresh, so not likely to have been botulism-infected.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      Jackie

      March 25, 2024 at 3:34 pm

      @rikyrah:

      And, she threw away her family name because the Orange Menace.

      The name “Romney” was already garbage.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Old Man Shadow

      March 25, 2024 at 3:36 pm

      @SomeRandomGuy: Are you getting paid $300,000 dollars  a year to go on TV for not conspiring to overthrow the democratically elected government of the United States?

      Reply
    76. 76.

      geg6

      March 25, 2024 at 3:36 pm

      @Baud:

      Exactly.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      Doc Sardonic

      March 25, 2024 at 3:37 pm

      @trollhattan: Sorry that ain’t Pantera….Thats Rex Brown and Phillip Anselmo hunting a paycheck.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      stacib

      March 25, 2024 at 3:38 pm

      @Betty: That’s even worse as that’s the audience that are hearing the news after a hard day’s work are already being fed the “both sides” stuff.  Most of them will most likely have zero idea how horrible this woman is as they’ll only see the sanitized version NBC presents (and she’ll adopt to keep getting a paycheck).

      Reply
    79. 79.

      geg6

      March 25, 2024 at 3:41 pm

      @Gin & Tonic: ​
       
      Ugh, I remember that episode. When even Bourdain can’t choke it down, you know it’s bad.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      BlueGuitarist

      March 25, 2024 at 3:42 pm

      Politico article says she gets a salary of $300,000/year!
      it would be ridiculous just to have her on tv to lie and obfuscate if they didn’t pay her at all.
      They’d get way better analysis and original content that would get attention for their programming if they used that money to hire folks from Four Directions and Worker Power.
      If they hired Betty Cracker instead, millions more would tune in and hear the incandescent truth.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      Old Man Shadow

      March 25, 2024 at 3:42 pm

      @stacib: Almost like the NBC management welcome fascism and want a repeat of TFG’s regime.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      geg6

      March 25, 2024 at 3:42 pm

      @stacib: ​
       
      Lester Holt, Republican in good standing, will be happy to have her on every night, I’m guessing.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Marcopolo

      March 25, 2024 at 3:42 pm

      So this falls under the annals of human beings performing sports exceptionally well.  Link is to an article & video of the performance that won the 2024 men’s world championship in figure skating on Saturday. Ilia Malinin is 19 and apparently has yet to learn about the existence of gravity.  Get the same feelings watching this as I do from seeing Simone Biles.

      Apologies if it’s been shared before as this happened a few days ago.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Jay

      March 25, 2024 at 3:43 pm

      It’s like hiring John Wikes Booth to be your Theatre Critic.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      RaflW

      March 25, 2024 at 3:46 pm

      Among the asinine happenings at NBC/MSNBC: “This weekend, MSNBC President Rashida Jones and other executives called network anchors to reassure them that they maintain editorial independence over their shows and are free to book — or not book — whatever guest pundits they please, according to a person at MSNBC close to these conversations.”

      So, they’re paying Ronna a reported $300K annually, but if she doesn’t get booked on MSNBC shows, that’s fine? They could hire 2 good quality ex-newspaper people (papers keep shedding jobs, even when jagoffs like Bezos keep making money) to do, I dunno, reporting?

      What a dumb-ass clown show the NBC execs are.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Scout211

      March 25, 2024 at 3:47 pm

      @BlueGuitarist:Politico article says she gets a salary of $300,000/year!

      Yes, and besides the more obvious objections from employees, employees are livid because numerous contributors were let go for budget reasons recently.  So now the Network suddenly finds $300,000 for a known liar? I’d be angry, too.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Jackie

      March 25, 2024 at 3:48 pm

      @stacib: Scarborough has already asserted Ronna will never be on MJ. One of the many reasons he said was her recorded phone call to Michigan with TIFG trying to flip their electorates with promises of getting them legal representation.

      And here’s this, reposting from up above:

      The on-air protests against NBC News’s hiring of Ronna McDaniel continued this morning, with Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski deeply critical of the move on “Morning Joe,” Politico reports.

      Said Scarborough: “We weren’t asked our opinion of the hiring but, if we were, we would have strongly objected to it for several reasons.”

      Said on anonymous source: “No hosts or correspondents were given any kind of heads up on this. People are pissed. It is a deeply unpopular move.”

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Frankensteinbeck

      March 25, 2024 at 3:49 pm

      @HumboldtBlue:

      We have never seen a fraudster, a convicted fraudster, given such privilege, such accommodation.

      I am told by a lawyer that yes, we have, all the time.  That this actually was not at all unusual from an appeals court.  It just looks awful to people hearing about it for the first time because Trump deserves punishment.

      @Marcopolo:

      what we really should be worried about is AI gobbling up so much energy (picture bit coin mining on steroids) that it creates shortages for humans.

      What we really should be worried about is ignorant, buzzword-humping executives whose horniest wet dream is firing all their employees and operating a zero labor cost company.  They have ravenously gobbled the bullshit buffet served by scam artist consultants and actually believe they can replace whole sections of their companies with AI.  They can’t, but they aren’t finding that out until after they’ve done all the firing and they’ve stood around with their fingers in their ears chanting IT WILL WORK AI IS THE FUTURE I SAW IT DRAW A PRETTY PICTURE for awhile.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      HumboldtBlue

      March 25, 2024 at 3:49 pm

      @Scout211:

      Put it this way, they got rid of the excellent Mehdi Hasan but went and hired this clown.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      March 25, 2024 at 3:50 pm

      @Marcopolo: No, but I have read Randall Munroe of xkcd answering “what if there was a robot apocalypse“. Reassuring, entertaining, and less worrying than throwing a baseball at 90 percent of the speed of light.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Jeffro

      March 25, 2024 at 3:50 pm

      @trollhattan:

      @Doc Sardonic:

      there are a LOT of bands out on tour and music festivals this year!

      Reply
    92. 92.

      cain

      March 25, 2024 at 3:51 pm

      @Marcopolo:  The U.S. has been doing well in these two sports – great to see our youngsters out there killing it and making us proud!

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Brachiator

      March 25, 2024 at 3:54 pm

      @Cacti:

      Ronna McDaniel’s lone political credential is being Mitt Romney’s niece.

      Unfortunately, this is enough to make her a political insider. In addition, she is clearly a Trump stooge. From Wikipedia.

      On February 26, 2024, she announced her resignation as chair on advice from Donald Trump following the latter’s victory in the 2024 South Carolina Republican presidential primary. Her term as chair of the RNC ended on March 8.

      Her only value is her political insider status. Judging by her failures, she offers nothing with respect to political acumen.

      During McDaniel’s tenure as chair of the RNC, the Republican Party had a net loss of eight governorships, four seats in the United States Senate, and 20 seats in the House of Representatives, and the presidency. In December 2022, Axios wrote that McDaniel “has thus far failed to preside over a single positive election cycle.”

      NBC must be desperate to increase viewership.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      cain

      March 25, 2024 at 3:58 pm

      @RaflW: Ronna is there to provide spice for the upcoming election season – she’s gonna talk about all the internal shit that happened at RNC. This is Ronna the revenge against Trump.

      Let’s give it a friedman unit and see how it goes.

      Reply
    95. 95.

      UncleEbeneezer

      March 25, 2024 at 3:59 pm

      This week’s Jack Podcast did a great summary of the New York Times article about the Jan 6 Investigation.  The episode is here and that segment starts about the 45 minute mark.  Allison Gill and Andrew McCabe are not shy in criticizing a couple of the decisions by Garland but also explain the rationale for them.  They also point out numerous things that the article didn’t mention, like the fact that the Jan 6 Committee’s refusal to share their full reports with DOJ caused significant delay and frustration to the case.  They also highlight the numerous hurdles that caused delay in the investigation, namely, Republicans in Congress and reluctant members of the US Attorneys Office and FBI.  Senate Republicans delayed the confirmation of Garland’s nominees for US Attorneys, while the current US Attorneys were slow-rolling or even refusing to keep things moving.  This presented an obvious dilemma with no easy solution.  If Garland fired the US Attorneys he would have not only created an appearance of politically-motivated use of his powers (just like the US Attorneys scandal during the W administration) but would have also caused even more delay, as Republicans would have been even more resolved to block Garland’s nominees.  Doug Jones, Adam Schiff, Eric Holder, whoever your favorite fantasy AG might be, would have all faced this same problem and delay.  Anyways, what really stood out to me was the fact that as the article reports, Garland was himself extremely frustrated by delays, said as much to his staff and took active measures to navigate around them and get the investigation moving faster.  It very much flies in the face of the popular narrative that Garland was just sitting around and happy for everything to move at a glacial pace.  He wasn’t.  Quite the opposite.  It also really highlighted that most of the delays to the pace of the Jan 6 Investigation were caused by things that had nothing to do with Garland and would have played out similarly, regardless of who was Attorney General.  It’s a good listen.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      geg6

      March 25, 2024 at 3:59 pm

      @Marcopolo: ​
       
      We watched the whole competition on Saturday night. Six quads!!!!!! Holy shit! And he had a left foot injury and almost decided not to go. Amazing.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      cain

      March 25, 2024 at 4:00 pm

      @Brachiator: Ronna is winning though, like a lot of right wing hacks – they get picked up on the grift underground railroad and get to do a mea culpa – but she’ll still vote Trump at the election!

      Although, interestingly enough I have some sympathy for her – I remember the vitriol that Hillary Rosen, head of the RIAA got during the 90s especially when it came to the Napster war. Once she left, she became a democratic darling and apparently always a human rights advocates. But running the RIAA made her a hate target.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 25, 2024 at 4:01 pm

      @catclub: Oh what the fuck!  Did you really have to put that thought in my head?

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Geminid

      March 25, 2024 at 4:01 pm

      @Jeffro: It’s the British Re-Invasion! Singer-songwriter Richard Thompson will play The Tin Pan in Richmond, April 10 and April 11.

      And this Friday in Charlottesville, The Zombies play the Jefferson Theater.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      geg6

      March 25, 2024 at 4:02 pm

      @HumboldtBlue: ​
       
      Hard disagree. Mehdi Hassan was not excellent and his ratings were shit.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      TBone

      March 25, 2024 at 4:04 pm

      Word:

      https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/ronna-mcdaniel-just-wants-to-let

      She made fun of Senator Fetterman after his stroke.  Fuck her.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      rikyrah

      March 25, 2024 at 4:04 pm

      @Marcopolo:

      I was stunned watching his performance.

      I have been watching figure skating for decades. I remember when one quad was such an achievement. He did SIX!

      Reply
    103. 103.

      Miss Bianca

      March 25, 2024 at 4:15 pm

      @Geminid: Ah, Richard Thompson. Still going strong. Would love to get to see him again one of these days.

      Hard to say how much time any of us has left tho, really, so even if I never do, I have fond memories of great shows past.

      ETA: My God – The Zombies? After all these years? Are they literally zombies now?

      Reply
    104. 104.

      Scout211

      March 25, 2024 at 4:18 pm

      More from the NBC Guild.

      NBC’s union accused the network of valuing former RNC chair Ronna McDaniel over its own journalists, in social media posts shared Monday.

      “Two weeks before [NBC News] proudly announced the hiring of Ronna McDaniel, execs illegally terminated 13 union journalists,” NBC Guild posted on X, writing that NBCUniversal News Group Chair Cesar Conde never offered an explanation for the layoffs.

      Ronna encouraged a lie that many of our own journalists have spent countless hours debunking,” the Guild continued. “Our journalism is tarnished by @NBCNews execs elevating a liar over the workers who have spent years delivering the kind of reporting that our newsrooms are typically known for.”

      . . .
      The Guild wrote on X that it filed another charge with the National Labor Relations Board after “repeated violations of federal labor law” by NBC.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      Sure Lurkalot

      March 25, 2024 at 4:19 pm

      @rikyrah:

      And, she threw away her family name because the Orange Menace.

      Oh, that vaunted Romney name, the one shared with an uncle who made hundreds of millions of dollars in so called management fees slicing and dicing going concerns into eventual bankruptcy, robbing countless employees of their earned pensions and benefits.

      And somehow Mittens is considered one of those good, old school Republicans.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Jeffro

      March 25, 2024 at 4:24 pm

      @Geminid: good stuff!

      We caught a couple of shows at the Paramount earlier this year (Tasha Combs Leonard, Robert Cray) and are looking forward to some at the Jefferson in the next couple of months (Dirty Honey, Thievery Corporation)

      Odd mix but you know what they all have in common?  They’re all amazing, LOL

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Ruckus

      March 25, 2024 at 4:37 pm

      @topclimber:

      Been away from the computer for a bit….

      I don’t believe one has to be a lawyer to understand that, first because I’m not one. Second, long ago I lived in an apt building and several of my neighbors were attending law school. I helped a couple of them study for the bar exam. So while I’ve never studied law, I have a concept of the words and structure of many of the concepts. It’s a structure that really does not apply in many other places. But one of the concepts of being a lawyer was having at least a grasp of the language and differences of things that on a level of non lawyers look and sound the same or like gibberish but within the law are actually and/or vastly different.

      So to answer your question – no but it might really help.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 25, 2024 at 4:37 pm

      @Geminid:

      And this Friday in Charlottesville, The Zombies play the Jefferson Theater. 

      Well, it is the time of the season…

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

      March 25, 2024 at 4:40 pm

      @Scout211:

      If they wanted the voice of MAGA, they could have just grabbed some rando rightwing bloggers or former GOP staffers for a fraction of what they are going to pay Ronna, and still been able to afford actual journalists. Hell, a bunch of RNC staff were recently fired so I’m sure they could have had their pick. I’m not sure why they value people like her. Only political junkies even know who she is. She’s not going to increase their market share any more than some Joe Blow winger.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      mrmoshpotato

      March 25, 2024 at 4:42 pm

      @Miss Bianca: He’s only 74.  (Color me surprised.)

      Reply
    111. 111.

      Ruckus

      March 25, 2024 at 4:46 pm

      @Frankensteinbeck:

      It seems to me that it would be difficult to put one’s fingers in one’s ears if said ears are attached to their heads, which are stuffed firmly and far up their own assholes. Not impossible mind you, just difficult.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      Albatrossity

      March 25, 2024 at 4:51 pm

      A guest on MSNBC right now just made the point that this hiring is appeasement; an attempt to make Trump feel good just in case he does win the election in November. Covering their asses, with pre-shitted toilet paper…

      If that really was their thinking (and it has the ring of truth), they simply are forgetting two things. One is that Trump already dumped Ms Romney under the bus, and he will forever consider her an enemy. That’s how he operates. The second thing is that has done this to EVERYBODY eventually. Why does NBC think that they, of all corporations, will be treated differently? Because they hosted his stupid TV show once? It is to laugh.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      Geminid

      March 25, 2024 at 4:51 pm

      @Miss Bianca: The Zombies even have a new album out.

      Have you heard of Wendy Collanna? She will play at the Zombies’ Charlottesville gig.

      Reply
    114. 114.

      Miss Bianca

      March 25, 2024 at 4:56 pm

      @mrmoshpotato: Why, he’s a veritable youngster!

      @Geminid: I’ve heard her name, but I’m not familiar with her work.

      Reply
    115. 115.

      Paul in KY

      March 26, 2024 at 8:19 am

      @Geminid: Little River Band is going to be at Summerfest up in Milwaukee. Think on 1st weekend.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      Paul in KY

      March 26, 2024 at 8:20 am

      @mrmoshpotato: for tasty brains….

      Reply

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