The last person I was certain would be president, though I didn’t know if it would be in my lifetime, was Barack Obama. I have been pretty sure since – what, maybe 2017 or so? – that the same thing would be true of Jon Ossoff.
“No one—and I mean no one—is interested in or takes seriously lectures on border security from Senate Republicans.”
You need to watch @SenOssoff pic.twitter.com/yte6scGtkt
— Senate Democrats (@SenateDems) April 18, 2024
Both GA Senators are worth their weigh in gold. This is Jon Ossoff again, just a couple of days ago.
Wow!
Senator My Boo went all the way in on DeJoy
When he started off with his, “Did you get my letter?,” line of questioning I knew, and DeJoy knew, it was going to be fire and flames 🔥 pic.twitter.com/BZ3KX7XYAK
— Qondi (@QondiNtini) April 16, 2024
When I posted this one a couple of days ago, I reminded everyone that Balloon Juice donated $700,000 to various entities in GA in 2020, and look what we got for our trouble. We won the presidency, we got two amazing GA senators; we got the Senate, which was huge.
Let’s do it again this cycle!
Two mystery Balloon Juice Angels have $1,000 matches – one for NV and one for AZ.
As I type, we have $17,027 for AZ ($1k is a check) and $15,204 for NV. That means we are $7,769 away from our $40,000 goal. $2k of that will be covered by our Mystery Angels, which means we need to raise $5,769 to meet the external angel match.
Excluding the $2k from the Mystery Angels, that’s about $2k needed for AZ and about $3,750 for NV.
We can do this, right?
ARIZONA
NEVADA
Baud
I got Pete Buttigieg vibes there. Wonder if Pete is giving lessons.
WaterGirl
Forgot to say that Angel match donations are 4x!
Betty Cracker
Ossoff has young Abe Lincoln vibes. I would gladly vote for him!
WaterGirl
@Baud: Always lead by example. :-)
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: I’m not sure I’m familiar with young Abe Lincoln. Guessing he was impressive, even though he lost all his elections except for the presidency?
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
“Four score and seven days ago, the Senate put on the floor a comprehensive border security bill…”
ok, question. I thought border security was part of the Ukraine bill the Senate sent to the House?
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker: Does Jon Ossoff have kids?
To me, Jon Ossoff gives off Gregory Peck vibes from To Kill A Mockingbird.
WaterGirl
@Baud: I’m pretty certain that the border bill was shot down in the exactly the way Jon Ossoff described up top. The Rs wouldn’t even vote for their own fucking bill because Donnie said not too.
Fucking sheep.
gwangung
$25 for both AZ and NV.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Thanks. I either got bad info or my memory is going.
WaterGirl
shorter DeJoy:
“Letters come in, letters go out, no one really knows how it works.”
WaterGirl
@Baud: Things change every 45 minutes, it’s hard to keep track of it all!
WaterGirl
There should be training classes for Dems when they are elected.
How to spend your 5 minutes of time with witnesses wisely.
Taught by several of our current House members, and Jon Ossoff and Sheldon Whitehouse.
stinger
$50 for Nevada.
Lincoln didn’t lose every election; he was an Illinois state representative and then U.S. representative for Illinois before becoming President. However, he did lose in his initial efforts for those state and federal offices, only winning in later campaigns.
HumboldtBlue
Baltimore’s DEI Mayor Brandon Scott. Duly Elected Incumbent.
Miss Bianca
Just chipped in $10 to each fund. Not much, but every little bit helps, right?
eclare
@Baud:
That’s what I was thinking too, but it sounds like it never got out of the Senate. There is just too much to keep up with!
I do remember Lindsey initially saying that this was the best bill the Rethugs would ever get, then he changed his tune.
Geminid
@WaterGirl: Abe Lincoln served one term in Congress, as a Whig Representative. I think he and a couple state legislature buddies agreed on a rotation, and that’s why he was not re-elected. Lincoln later made a name nationally when he ran for Senate against Stephen Douglas in 1858. Many thousands of people came to hear them debate outdoors all over Illinois, and large portions of the debates were printed in newspapers all over the country. You could say that Senate race went viral.
Fun Lincoln fact: In his earlier life Lincoln, was known as a wrestling referee. That was a popular sport in Illinois back then, something to watch in town on a Saturday afternoon. Lincoln was made referee because he was known to be fair and was himself a formidable wrestler.
Trollhattan
@WaterGirl: He’s our first TikTok president.
RaflW
I gather from a CNN chyron that TX Rep. Dan Crenshaw said on camera “Hardline conservatives want Russia to win so badly.”
Not that the Times or even WaPo will use it, but hey, there’s a news peg to hang a truthful telling of the MTG-Gaetz wing of the party sliding into lockstep alignment with Putin. And how that is sowing … Republicans in disarray!
Kay
You won’t hear a word from the free speech defenders on the Center and Right because they’re arresting protestors who are on the Left.
The NYTimes newsroom must be cheering. They were promoting arresting student protestors.
The only protests that are permitted in the US are Right wing protests. Don’t these students get that?
HumboldtBlue
I had no idea who Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn) was until I watched this clip.
karensky
Ossoff’s analysis was a banger!
Miss Bianca
@Kay: Jesus Christ. *Riot gear*?
New Deal democrat
Okay, this is *totally* off topic.
But you really, *really* should take a look at this cartoon,
https://bsky.app/profile/bolton69420.bsky.social/post/3kqgdcbvnnm2h
rikyrah
Steve McGuire (@sfmcguire79) posted at 0:20 PM on Thu, Apr 18, 2024:
Barnard has suspended three students, including Rep. Ilhan Omar’s daughter, for participating in the “Gaza solidarity encampment” at Columbia.
Columbia is preparing to start suspending students as well. https://t.co/L3q9KLZlZr
(https://x.com/sfmcguire79/status/1781009976300827088?t=82SJUqI63HSVMBcwvjSC4Q&s=03)
WaterGirl
@stinger: Ah, that’s what I get for believeing the lore without checking out.
Lyrebird
Can’t watch at work… can someone recap?
WaterGirl
@Miss Bianca: Donations up to $10 get double-angel matched. So your $20 turned into $60 and $60.
Special double-match for Bj peeps who don’t have a lot of disposable income this week. :-)
WaterGirl
@Trollhattan: Abe Lincoln? :-)
Tony Jay
@New Deal democrat:
“If I did it, this is how I’d do it, but I didn’t do it, though I could have done it, just like this.”
Kay
@Miss Bianca:
Bonkers. It makes police look like dopes who are scared of their own shadow too – the kids aren’t even resisting.
Well, I can see our universities are certainly committed to free expression and political speech! They folded quickly. Seven GOP House members scolded them… and they issued a decree to arrest students.
Profiles in courage. Imagine if you were paying 70k a year for Columbia (or whatever the ridiculous tutiion is) and they hauled your kid off for holding a sign.
Tony Jay
@Kay:
Brave guys, protecting the National Narrative at all costs.
“You’re wankers for your service.”
Martin
@rikyrah: We don’t select university presidents with an eye toward their ability to stand up to Congress, which was made really clear with the testimony from Columbia. She was not up for that task.
I have to assume that the GOP knows which university presidents are easy to roll and are only inviting them. I know a few that would be quite a handful for them.
Martin
@Kay: USC folded without even being asked to.
WaterGirl
@Lyrebird: In the top video, Jon Ossoff nails the republicans and says no wants to hear from them on border security after one of their own worked on a bill that got them more than they could ever have hoped for, then Trump told them it would be better if Trump could run on border stuff, so all the Republicans are cowards and they wouldn’t even allow debate on the border bill their own guy had negotiated.
In the second video, Ossoff asks DeJoy if DeJoy read the letter Ossoff had sent him a month ago. DeJoy: mumble-mumble, I never saw the letter, um, i tried to get in touch with you on Saturday, um um um.
Ossoff tells DeJoy that next time a sitting US senator who is on the committee that oversees his post office, that DeJoy had better fucking read the letter, especially when he’s failing abysmally at his core mission.
It’s what Ossoff said AND his delivery, but I did the best I could. :-)
Chief Oshkosh
@Martin:
I just do not understand why university presidents are even responding. Are they being subpoenaed? Why? If they are subpoenaed, I understand why they would attend, but why answer anything at all? And for sure, why make promises?
Kay
@Martin:
Oh, God. I just hope we’re all clear that there is going to be an accounting of this when the bombing stops and these kids are going to be the only people who objected to this. Hope all these fancy people in charge are prepared to be tragically, historically wrong about this, because the students are right – they’re correct. By any measure this is a human rights catastrophe. It’s not even going to be a long time away, the accounting. Within the next year.
Martin
@Chief Oshkosh: She turned down a request to testify back in December, so I have to assume either she was subpoenaed or she thought she was prepared for this. Hiding from Congress is not a politically good move in general and is really not in keeping with how higher education thinks about speech and government. So theres a lot of internal pressure to comply with a request. Her appointment as president started last July, so she’s quite new to the job. Guessing it won’t last until this July.
Kathleen
Time to sign off.
NetheadJay
@Chief Oshkosh: I don’t understand this either. Do they not recognize that the Republican committee members calling them in are only interested in one thing, which is bullying, denigrating and harassing their institutions, their students and their staff as much as possible.
Fake Irishman
@Kay:
I can see the police acting if these folks were directly disrupting classes or taking over the administration building a la 1968, but a freaking tent encampment? Come on.
I remember when Michigan decided to press charges against six anti- sweatshop activists for trespassing and other bullshit. I have never seen the state president of the American Federation of Teachers so livid with the university in 10 years of knowing him.
(One of the students had a very congenial relationship with her probation officer — probably the easiest case he ever had. Another protester got elected to the county commission and is now in the state legislature. He laughed when I asked him once how his relationship was with the university president and if he had to meet her off campus because he still was banned from being on campus)
Kay
@Martin:
I feel about this like I do about media claiming the special protections afforded to them. Earn it. You want to be an institution that values ideas and debate and dissent and get special tax treatment and special prestige because of that? Then earn it. No one said it would be easy. It’s difficult when people disagree. It would be a lot easier and more serene if no one did, but they do and that’s permitted.
rikyrah
@Martin:
That young lady earned her spot as Valedictorian. It’s ridiculous that she won’t be able to give her speech at Commencement.
Trollhattan
@WaterGirl: What can we say but a man ahead of his time. Booth deprived us of “Honest Abe Raps.”
Kay
@Fake Irishman:
Well, they certainly satisfied House Republicans. This is exactly what they wanted. I’m not sure sacrificing your own students so you’ll get fewer mean letters from Republicans is in line with educational ethics, however.
NetheadJay
@Martin: I’m curious as to who are the leaders from what institutions you think would be better at standing up to and handling the hostile questioning and general harassment from the Repugs.
Quiltingfool
Speaking of USPS, I sent out a bunch of raffle winner blocks last week, and estimated delivery might have been Saturday (east of the Rockies) or Monday (West Coast). Has any of you gotten them yet? I misplaced my receipt with tracking numbers, else I would have checked myself.
Geez, I hope they didn’t get lost. I’d hate to start over again, but I’d do it for you guys!
WaterGirl
This is good news!
smith
@NetheadJay: Undoubtedly the feelings of some very rich alumni loom powerfully in their minds. A university president might even welcome this kind of pressure from Congress as a way to justify getting those obnoxious kids back in line, as a lot of potential and actual donors probably prefer. At many universities fattening the endowment is Job 1 for the president.
Baud
I find Tucker Carlson uninteresting, but others may be interested in this, via reddit
Fake Irishman
@Martin:
Also university presidents are often academics who see nuance everywhere, and aren’t necessarily well equipped for the black and white of a hostile hearing. It’s also legitimately hard to respond to some of questions because the right answer from a first-amendment perspective looks terrible on TV.
I will observe though that we often all manage to have a contingent and incomplete version of free speech that is general quite convenient to our personal views. (I’m not always in agreement with Popehat, but he’s always done a great job really illustrating the scope and limits of the first amendment in thoughtful ways that are quite challenging)
Fake Irishman
@smith:
This too. Student protestors are always hated by fat cat donors.
Baud
@Fake Irishman:
They should make me a university president. I’m not thoughtful and don’t see nuance.
zhena gogolia
@HumboldtBlue: That’s my rep!
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
You taught her well.
RaflW
@Kay: The “campus free speech” people are also doing total crickets on the USC valedictorian Asna Tabassum being muzzled, despite earning a minor in resistance to genocide that USC confers.
She dares to want to speak on the genocide in Gaza. And that is speech too damn free to be safe.
Kinda makes one wonder what that degree concentration is about (no disrespect to the professors, but lots of disrespect to the admin & board of USC for so aptly displaying how genocides are facilitated by an international community that cares more about big donor fee-fees than saving lives).
Martin
@Kay: I don’t think so. We still too often revere the people who were tragically, historically wrong about Hitler, or the Confederacy, or Iraq.
Culture is stronger than that. A good half of the country will reflexively believe that bad things happening to Muslims must be deserved. I think we’re a good 1-2 generations away from that changing enough to shift the national average.
I mean, we can all see the same things – and government can see more, and yet the international community still largely has Israels back, in large part because they have so much invested in Israel. The country exists because of their efforts, they have nukes because of their efforts, etc. They can’t easily admit that things are going off the rails. Israel is a project of the United States after all. For the people who run the country, this is our project to repair.
Kay
@Baud:
It is interesting. I didn’t know Tucker was a Putin worshipper from way back.
smith
@Fake Irishman: You could even argue that both university presidents and Republican Congressmen represent the interests of their wealthy sponsors, so a meeting of the minds is not all that surprising.
NetheadJay
@smith: That certainly could be the case in part, which is a somewhat sad testament to the state of some of the academic institutions involved.
Baud
I also suspect that universities, like the media, are operating on the assumption that Trump will win.
Omnes Omnibus
nothing screams “i’m confident in the moral righteousness of my position” like arresting/suspending/firing/deplatforming any and all critics of that position
Baud
Betty C must be really happy DeSantis is back.
smith
Weird — just minutes ago both AP and the Guardian said that 7 jurors had been picked, with 2 new to replace the ones excused today. Now suddenly they say they have all 12.
Omnes Omnibus
@smith:
It is 10 seated jurors and 2 alternates.
VFX Lurker
If so, I wonder what they know that I don’t.
Baud
@VFX Lurker:
What’s in their hearts.
Omnes Omnibus
@VFX Lurker: Betting that Trump wins is the safer play. Trump will be vindictive to those who opposed him. Biden won’t.
Old School
@Omnes Omnibus: Why would they seat two alternates before the jury pool is complete?
Leto
Apparently the jury has been sworn in, but they still need to select all the alternates tomorrow.
WaterGirl
@Quiltingfool: I got mine! So adorable! I had started a thank you message to you and never finished it!
I go back and forth about whether the kitty is my favorite, or the dog!
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
This too.
Omnes Omnibus
@Old School: I misread the announcement. NY criminal procedure is a mystery to me.
smith
@Omnes Omnibus: Don’t they need 12 for the regular panel? Would they seat alternates before they have the full regular panel?
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Are there not 12 regular jurors? How does that work?
Never mind.
Omnes Omnibus
@smith:
@WaterGirl:
I fucked up. I misread something. Read my comment at 74.
SiubhanDuinne
@Kay:
Rep. Ilhan Omar’s daughter was suspended from Bernard/Columbia for participating.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
I just kicked in $100 each for X and NV. Thank you Water Girl for doing this and making it so easy to donate to funds that really make a difference. I find the fact that we at BJ donated $700,000 to GA to be wonderful, and almost unbelievable. Wow – we rock.
lgerard
House Freedom Caucus organizes silent but deadly FART
smith
So the final count for the day is 12 jurors and one alternate. If they can fill the final 5 alternate slots tomorrow, we will probably be in business Monday.
sixthdoctor
$25 each to AZ and NV.
Mercy
$50 for NV, $50 for AZ!
Quiltingfool
@WaterGirl: Whew! I think I’d like to make one big quilt that has the dogs and the cats together. Of course, there are LOTS of quilts I’d like to make, but in my case, “too many quilts, not enough time!” I really, really need a clone.
I also have more material than Del Monte has hamburger dills, and guess what! I’m going to Missouri Star Quilt on Tuesday to Buy.More.Fabric. Well, the main reason is to deliver quilts to their museum (our guild was asked to show our quilts during the months of May and June) but I have a quilt commission and MoStar is the best place to go. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Martin
@Kay: Yeah, I don’t feel much sympathy to the ivy league president who is pulling down a million a year. You’re getting the big bucks because you’re expected to be expendable. But it’s also clear that these universities didn’t choose their leadership for this moment and that’s hurting higher education overall because they look like a bunch of idiots.
I disagree very strongly with how a lot of these institutions are handling this, and the double standards that they do employ. This shit is HARD, and a lot of institutions don’t invest in the administrative side of things in the way they should (too much focus on fundraising, not enough in laying out consistent principles and how to apply them for students).
My institutions biggest point of student conflict wasn’t black and white students or rich and poor students, it was Jewish and Palestinian students. And that was true since about 2005. I don’t know any other institution that had that particular conflict to the extent we did, and yet, you don’t see that school on the news. You don’t see those administrators being invited in front of congress. No school should have blown up as badly as my former employer on this issue, and yet, it didn’t. The friction is a lot more intense, but it’s also from what I can see from my retirement patio, it’s not boiling over and not drawing attention.
A lot of these campuses simply were not prepared for how to give students enough room for expression without being unfair about it. They’re suddenly having to talk to pissed off donors (which we spent two decades doing), train staff that weren’t previously trained for this, and so on. It is not easy, but it is predictable. If it wasn’t this issue, it would be some other sooner or later. Stanford had to walk this fine line with their Mein Kampf controversy. Why a student reading the book in the library as a class assignment is okay, but posing with the book for their instagram is not. That’s a difficult policy to lay out and enforce. It feels very subjective. It requires a lot of effort to get everyone on the same page, but they navigated it pretty well. I see a lot of these other institutions not doing that, and I don’t think it’s a mystery that the campuses having the most trouble are the ones that are most sensitive to their donors needs relative to their student’s needs.
Chief Oshkosh
@Martin: I’m not saying you’re wrong, but those are some pretty weak drivers, especially given recent outcomes.
Martin
@rikyrah: USC knows how to handle that security. I mean, it’s going to be an olympic venue in 4 years, and was twice before. The security procedures there are well established. The excuse is bullshit. And my campus dealt with that for every commencement ceremony for two decades (we ran 7 of them under that security each year). It’s not that hard to address.
Martin
@Chief Oshkosh: I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. The internal pressure to be an open participant in democracy is very strong, so her ability to duck an invitation to congress was very weak.
I mean, yeah, the GOP angle on this is bullshit, but that’s no reason to not stand up here. The problem isn’t that we have a weak position on expression and appropriate discourse on universities, but it is nuanced which doesn’t lend to quick testimony, and we have weak messengers for that position because that’s not the job we expected university presidents to have to do. There are ways to address the nuance issue, but that also means not taking every bait that the GOP drops in front of you.
That said, from the testimony so far, I think some of these campuses actually do have a weak position on expression because they simply dropped the ball on that one. They seem remarkably hands off in interacting with these communities. You can’t do that. You have to engage with them constantly – and with the broader campus community who are just observers to this so they understand why decisions are being made the way they are. It’s a LOT of work.
rockstar
$25 for Nevada, thanks Watergirl!
Geminid
@WaterGirl: Jon Ossoff and his wife Allysha Kramer have one child. My Atlanta friend went to an Ossoff rally in 2017, when he ran in a special election to fill a seat in the Atlanta suburbs. Ms. Kramer introduced her husband, and left my friend thinking she could have been as good a candidate, maybe even better.
Jon Ossoff lost that race to Karen Handel, who then lost to Democrat Lucy McBath in 2018. Ossoff got a lot of attention though, and that helped when he ran for Senate in 2020 and won at age 33.
PatrickG
@Quiltingfool: oh! I got mine! Thank you so much, meant to let you know but I’ve been a bit MIA as a lurker :)
it’s amazing. I’m planning to give it to my quilting loving mother who’s struggling with cancer and will just absolutely love it. On the downside, I’m sad to give it away because it’s so beautiful
WaterGirl
@rockstar: Thank you!
WaterGirl
@PatrickG: Which one did you get? I can’t remember.
dc
“The American people are smart.”
No, the American people are not smart. Nor are the people of other nations. So I guess we can feel less bad about how stupid we are.
Attempted Chemistry
@dc: “A person is smart. People are dumb, dangerous, panicky animals and you know it!”
CCL
In for $50 for AZ and $50 for NV.
BeautifulPlumage
Just donated $50 each to the thermometers.
Thanks for keeping this going Water Girl!
WaterGirl
@CCL: @BeautifulPlumage: Thank you!
grandmaBear
@Quiltingfool: I’ve been late to posts recently, so hadn’t said anything. I’ve gotten mine and it’s fantastic! Thank you so much.
Geminid
@Geminid: Georgia is unusual because nrither of its two Senators had held public office before. Jon Ossoff was a documentary producer, while Raphael Warnock was head pastor at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta.
Kayla Rudbek
@Quiltingfool: stash acquisition beyond life expectancy
Manyakitty
@RaflW: that is amazing. I give him credit for speaking out.
Quiltingfool
@PatrickG: I hope your mother enjoys it!
wjca
It would be great if it was silent. But not counting on it.
mvr
OK, I’m in for $25 for AZ and $25 for NV.
Thanks to the match donors and watergirl!
sab
@Kay: Faster than that. Within weeks. I wonder how successful the Israelis will be in hiding the starvation body count.
PatrickG
@WaterGirl: sunflowers and cat. Smaller quilt section.
PatrickG
@Quiltingfool: if she doesn’t it’s coming right back home. I’m sacrificing here by giving it up ;)
WaterGirl
@PatrickG: That’s the one I have! I love it. You are good to think about giving it to your mom.
WaterGirl
@mvr: Gotcha, thanks.
Melancholy Jaques
@WaterGirl:
I know I’m being childish, but I wish Ossoff had said fucking.
Jesse
Added $10 to each thermometer.
Hazmat
$50 each for AZ and NV.
WaterGirl
@Jesse: @Hazmat: Gotcha! thanks
JAFD
Put in $50 to both Nv and Az. Apology for being last in thread. Been busy week
Have great weekend, everyone !
Maxim
A belated $25 to each state.
WaterGirl
@JAFD: You’re not last! :-)
WaterGirl
@JAFD: @Maxim: thank you both!