Anyone watching “Franklin” on Apple TV? Michael Douglas stars, and the early reviews are mixed.
I like it — Ol’ Ben is my favorite Founder and denomination of U.S. currency. Douglas is compelling, and the cast includes many fine actors.
However, I spotted an anachronism in a recent episode:
That’s a Boston terrier in a scene that is set in 1777. The breed did not exist in that century.
Oh well. Anachronisms happen. For example, you can’t swing a cat in this town without walloping a fascist, nearly 80 years after my heroic grandfather left to help defeat Nazis across the ocean.
So it goes, poo-tee-weet, etc.
Open thread!
bbleh
Full 12-person jury seated in tifg trial. Onto alternates. Monday’s gonna be lit.
Baud
Speaking of anachronisms
prostratedragon
@bbleh: Since the post is about Ben, we have a jury if we can keep it.
West of the Cascades
Please not to swing cats?
Baud
Reposting for BC
Old School
@Baud:
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@Baud: Pure evil
Tim in SF
My favorite anachronism of all time was in Bill & Ted’s excellent Adventure. They were at a 15th century English cottage and there was a pumpkin on the window sill. My aunt, a frequent attendee at the Renaissance Pleasure Faire, yelled at the top of her lungs, “there were no pumpkins in 15th century England! NO PUMPKINS until Drake brought them back to Elizabeth!” I thought she was going to stroke out.
I’ve seen that scene once or twice in the intervening years and chuckled to myself.
Jeffro
@bbleh: SHIT’S GETTING REAL!
I know it’s early but…I’m a little bit giddier than I thought I’d be. =)
I’m going to give myself some grace about it. It’s been a long (HELLA LONG FUCKING) time coming!
Omnes Omnibus
@Tim in SF: To be fair, it was a movie about time travel. Some previous traveler could have brought one.
rikyrah
@Baud:
Rescinding child labor laws
If they kill your child while doing said labor, the corporations can’t be sued
Now, children don’t have lunch breaks.
In Florida, if you work outside in the sun, you don’t have to have any breaks.
Just STOP STOP STOP
saying that there’s no difference between the parties.
BULLSHYT
Show me one state, run by a Democrat, that’s trying to enact the same kinds of laws.
JUST ONE.
Baud
@Old School:
And you libs thought he was doing it on behalf of rich people.
HumboldtBlue
It’s calving season at Gold Shaw Farm.
Ten Bears
Rat. “Can’t swing a rat … ” Your average cat runs thirty to thirty-six inches, two and a half to three feet, nose to tail. Rat is half that, biggest one I ever saw maybe eighteen inches, foot and a half
“Can’t swing a dead rat without hitting a fascist … “
rikyrah
PRO-ABORTION RIGHTS MEASURE TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN NEVADA IN NOVEMBER
Baud
@rikyrah:
👍
bbleh
@Jeffro: I particularly like that he has to sit there and keep his fat frog mouth shut. And that Merchan ain’t takin no sh!t.
and just wait til the ladies start offering unvarnished descriptions and professional opinions
RandomMonster
I agree that Ben is the funnest founding father. That titillating letter on why older women make better lovers…
West of the Rockies
@Baud:
How on earth do they sell this to constituents? Or is the populace of that state actually demanding actions be taken against those lazy match girls and chimney sweeps?
Scout211
In open thread Trump finances news:
CREW has filed a criminal complaint against Trump for a $50M loan against his Chicago company that may not exist.
This may go nowhere but I used to say that about Trump’s regular fraudulent finances and look where we are now.
Scout211
Excellent!
cmorenc
@RandomMonster: Old Ben was a bit of a rake with the women, and they much liked his um…attentions. Or so says Ben….
comrade scotts agenda of rage
My pet anachronism is stirrups. Doesn’t come up often in movies because movies that predate the consensus date of stirrup invention (4th Century AD China although there’s continued debate about the Sarmatians inventing it hundreds of years earlier) don’t get made. Go back to classic Hollywood epics and stirrups were everywhere. I’ll say this about the more recent Alexander movie, the riders didn’t use stirrups.
One of my favorite, maybe anachronism are the Tiger I tanks in Kelly’s Heroes. They’re fantastic *mock ups* of Tiger I tanks but are in fact Yugoslavian T-34/85 tanks that were redone to look like Tigers for a movie made there a couple of years prior. I once saw a fantastic 1/32 scale diorama of the scene where Sarge, Kelly and Odd Ball are approaching the one remaining Tiger in the town square. The guy doing the diorama went to the effort to make that Tiger be a converted T-34/85.
SiubhanDuinne
@RandomMonster:
Not to mention his famous essay on farting.
VFX Lurker
Fun anachronism: the second season of Stranger Things had a modern periodic table hanging in a 1984 classroom. Nine of those elements were discovered from 1994-on.
Jeffg166
I was reading Apple is spending bigly on its original content and it shows in Franklin.
West of the Rockies
We got one episode into Shogun. My wife found the lead man to be too arrogant and unemotional. She grew up with the very pretty Richard Chamberlain version.
We’ll probably continue, but I found him a bit off-putting, too. My taste for televised violence and cruelty has diminished greatly.
Omnes Omnibus
@VFX Lurker: It is quite likely that we have different definitions of fun.
RandomMonster
@SiubhanDuinne: I never read that one! Just seeing your comment made me laugh out loud.
Trollhattan
Two episodes in I like Franklin. Will stick around for the ride. (TBH it’s more engaging that I found Napoleon to be.)
We’re almost done with Shogun and unlike the original, I do not want it to end. Splendid series.
Communique from the City I would have never, ever, as in nagonna happen in my life:
“We’re not in Kansas anymore” was never so true.
Scout211
And more news about lawsuits piling up on Trump:
I am beginning to think that the judiciary is on to this criminal’s attempts at gaming the system.
bbleh
@West of the Rockies: I like that all the Japanese speak real Japanese, and there’s a lot of attention paid to the stylistic formalities. But yeah the lead’s kinda … wooden.
(Although maybe that works too. Yeah, just a stupid gaikokujin)
TBone
@Baud: they don’t want to be outdone by those “concerned” Governors in nearby states, the story from yesterday where everyone on xitter told them to cry harder.
🎶
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0tllTDwQKV8
prostratedragon
@Tim in SF: I’m convinced that some percentage of those, less than 100 but definitely more than zero, are deliberate tweaks of the audience.
TBone
@Scout211: YES! 😍 A demand for immunity is an admission of guilt by its very nature! Keep it up, Dotard! Confess again!
Scout211
And in totally irrelevant (but fun) news, Taylor Swift’s new album drops tonight at midnight ET. NBC actually has a Live Update for all the news about The Tortured Poets Department release.
WaterGirl
@rikyrah: All the more reason for folks to help NV catch up in the current fundraising to meet the external Four Directions match.
$2k needed for AZ and about $3,750 for NV
4x match in place up to $50 per state.
double-angel match in place for donations of $10 or less, so those are a 6x match.
Trollhattan
@TBone:
“Whattabout mah raaht to woulk?”
Right to Work statutes are one of the most cynical antilabor tools I can name. I can see those goons being afraid of them slipping from their clutches.
TBone
@Baud: but mah sincerely held beliefs!
TBone
@Trollhattan: hahahaha I just called the wahmbulance too 🤣
TBone
@Scout211: 💙
TBone
@bbleh: 🤣💙😎
Betty Cracker
Aw man, Dickey Betts died.
lgerard
@SiubhanDuinne:
speaking of which
House Freedom Caucus organizes silent but deadly FART
TBone
@Scout211: oooooh, nice. Slowly at first, then
BLAMMO
It’s piling up!
Poe Larity
Clearly you are not aware of Mr. Peabody’s scandalous affair with a BT and that the kids got the WABAC machine.
Leto
@TBone: apparently the day ended with Trumpov’s team trying to get the first 1-2 witnesses that Bragg plans to call, because they could potentially start having witnesses as early as Monday, so they want to prep. Bragg’s team demurred, basically saying that Trumpov can’t stop attacking everyone. Merchan agreed with Bragg. Trumpov apparently made almost 10 posts just today, further highlighting his inability to control himself, and Bragg’s team is continuing to try to get Trumpov held in criminal contempt for violating that order.
TBone
@Leto: I couldn’t be much happier right now! Thank you and to everyone who is paying attention!
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Wow they want to take us back to Victorian England don’t they?
smith
@Leto: TFG has been observed using his phone while court is in session. It’s disappointing that Merchan hasn’t slapped him down for it. I fear we will see more and escalating acts of defiance. You give TFG an inch, he’ll take your life.
UncleEbeneezer
@West of the Rockies: My wife hated him too. He didn’t really bother me that much. We finished Season 1 last night. Very good overall but the main critiques we had were 1.) it can get very confusing as to who is who, at times since there are many characters and it jumps around a lot, and 2.) I would have liked a bit more action and a bit less time dragging out the political machinations.
stinger
@WaterGirl: WaterGirl, I just want to make sure you saw my $50 for Nevada in comment 14 on the Twice in the Same Week thread. We got to talking about something else (Lincoln) and I want to get any match I may be eligible for!
Omnes Omnibus
@Leto: It is even better than that, Trump’s lawyers basically said “What if we promise Trump won’t post about them?” Judge Merchan responded that he didn’t think they had enough control over their client to make such a promise.
Harrison Wesley
@lgerard: Federal Aid to Retrograde Turds?
Martin
@Tim in SF: My son does this all the time, but very casually. Every medieval scene has potatoes in it, because western audiences associate potatoes with poverty. Potatoes are a new world plant.
He does it with weird shit – American train couplers on a train in Asia. And spacecraft – the soviets didn’t use that style of thruster. The plume color of that rocket indicates it’s this kind of fuel, but that rocket didn’t use that kind of fuel. He once corrected an engineer at JPL about what booster was used to launch the fairly obscure satellite he was the project lead for – when he was in middle school. I got pulled aside for that one.
But he’ll be sitting there playing a game on his computer, uncertain if he’s even watching the show with us, and he’ll just casually mention that. My daughter doesn’t do that, but she’s the queen of continuity errors. ‘That was on his other arm in the foreshadowing scene from 40 minutes ago’, ‘she couldn’t have known that because whatever’, etc. I’m the one who gives up on the show because the demand for my suspension of disbelieve gets too big, mostly due to laziness on the writers part. Ms Martin gets really annoyed watching shows with us.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I can’t believe how fast the jury selection process is going. I’m impressed by Merchan.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Tim in SF: Friend of mine was watching Shakespeare in Love and Marlowe announces he off to Deptford. She shouts “Don’t go!” Now an anachronism but amusing nonetheless
(Marlowe was killed in Deptford in a quarrel over the “reckoning” ie, the bill. There’s some suspicion he was killed because of spy work he was doing)
Martin
@Jeffg166: Yeah, they’re betting on high quality/low volume paying off. Also leaning toward sci-fi.
I don’t think they’re profitable, but will probably hold on longer than most streaming services because they don’t need it to be profitable.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Omnes Omnibus: This is called FAFO
Poe Larity
@Martin: You just need a writer and a cinemaphotographer to start a production company.
H.E.Wolf
A “cat” in that aphorism is a cat o’ nine tails. A nine-thonged whip from the olden days, when it was used on the backs of sailors and soldiers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_o'_nine_tails
Obviously you consumed far less of the cheesy type of historical kid’s fiction than I did as a young ‘un. :-)
Citizen Alan
@Baud: Every Republican secretly desires to own slaves that can be abused at will. Every one of them.
Brachiator
@Tim in SF:
And the only person with a time machine was Doctor Who.
Omnes Omnibus
@Brachiator:
Dude, Bill and Ted literally had a time machine.
lowtechcyclist
@lgerard:
Like, how often are those idjits ever silent? I bet even their FART and their farts are loud, no SBDs for this crew.
WaterGirl
@stinger: Yep, it’s in the spreadsheet. Yeah I replied about Lincoln but never acknowledged the donation!
14
$50.00
$50.00
Brachiator
@West of the Rockies:
I also liked Richard Chamberlain in Shogun. The character was unsure of himself and displaced in a culture he didn’t initially understand. To play the character as arrogant and unemotional doesn’t fit the spirit of the novel.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Wow.
To have even asked the question is the answer to the question itself.
princess leia
@HumboldtBlue:
I’ve been watching horse and goat births, happy to add happy cows!
Martin
Reminder that on iPhone, if you press and hold the power button and either volume button for 3 seconds, it’ll hard lock the phone and require a passcode to unlock. You can do it in your pocket without having to see the screen.
Brachiator
@Omnes Omnibus:
And it was both bodacious and excellent.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: You can’t blame them for trying. Their job is tougher because they don’t get that courtesy. I am sure they would like to keep him drugged and in a dark closet for the duration of the trial, but they can’t do that.
Christopher L Fisher
Things like that slip into showsall the time. Like when you watch a new show and see families living in a house they own.
smith
Looks like “Judge” Cannon is going to act as if she were a real grown up judge for now. She just ruled against Nauta’s and De Oliveira’s motions to have their cases dismissed. This ratchets up their motivations to flip.
TBone
That aide who prints out emotional support stories for Dotard must’ve been burning up the ink cartridges today, did you see that stack of bullshit papers he had in his hand on the way out of court today? 😂🤣😆
stinger
@WaterGirl: 👍
TBone
@smith: this is a great day!
UncleEbeneezer
@Betty Cracker: I had a college roommate who was obsessed with The Allman Brothers and was a really amazing guitarist. He got me into them and into appreciating Dickey’s guitar-work. So much so that Dickey was kind of the guy who taught me to play lead guitar and while the stuff I play nowadays has almost no resemblance to TABB, his playing style is still a huge part of my own style.
Brachiator
I don’t have Apple TV. But I am curious about this series.
Yep. Ben was quite a character. Has anything been done focusing on the young Franklin? He may have been a bit of a hunk. Broad shouldered and may have had good upper body strength from working the printing press. Very much into exercise, particularly swimming. He invented a pair of swim fins that fit over his hands when he was only 11 years old.
In 1968 the International Swimming Hall of Fame honored Franklin with membership.
piratedan
for those keeping tabs in Arizona, this just happened..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/18/austin-smith-turning-point-action-election-fraud/
essentially the guy was a Turning Point USA darling in the AZ lege, the pinhead of the election fraud legion and whaddaya know…..
TBone
@Brachiator: Wikipedia says that Philly boy was President of our Commonwealth! As well, he EVOLVED.
TBone
@piratedan: man oh MAN this day just keeps getting better! 😂
Martin
@Brachiator: I’m picturing someone optioning the ‘Young Ben’ spinoff to the CW – a period comedy written in the style of Young Sheldon. Ohio diner patrons will love it.
WaterGirl
@Martin: So they can’t force you to enter a passcode, but they can force you to use a fingerprint?
Betty Cracker
@UncleEbeneezer: You picked an excellent style then! 😊
TBone
Quoted from a letter by Ben Franklin to his friend André Morellet
Bill Arnold
@WaterGirl:
Yes, or your face if it’s set up that way. Best use a passcode/passphrase, and the default(?) 6 digits is easily brute forced if the phone is seized, or stolen by somebody else who wants access and has or can buy means to brute force it. Adding 2 digits makes brute forcing 100x harder, etc. Martin’s iPhone suggestion of learning/practicing to do the lock gesture without looking at the screen, is fine, if one is confident of one’s response in a tense situation.
Another concern is revocation if a means of identification is compromised. We can easily revoke/change passwords or equivalents. Fingerprints/faces, not so much.
There is a presumption of biometrics use for some apps, like Microsoft Authenticator, which requires 3 phone authentications to use if the phone is locked.
Ned F
@Betty Cracker: I read his obit in the NYT earler. He sounds like the original “Florida Man”. I’m still a fan of the band.
TBone
Ending my day with a little Dorothy Parker, just as I began it.
Martin
@WaterGirl: Exactly. This is actually consistent with other protections. Police can take a DNA sample, draw blood, do a breathalyzer, but they cannot force you to reveal things from memory. Stuff in your brain is protected (we’ll see if someone invents a machine that can read your memory if that holds up) so they can’t force you to tell them the passcode or be forced to unlock he phone via passcode. But they can hold it up to your face to unlock or put your finger on it to unlock. Apple (and I think Google) have added features that allow you to easily lock the phone such that you have to provide the passcode to let you exercise those protections.
Martin
@Bill Arnold: The default 6 digits is not easily brute forced, btw. At least on iPhone. If you fail the passcode 6 times the phone is locked and can only be unlocked by connecting it to a computer and entering your AppleID and password.
UncleEbeneezer
@Betty Cracker: Well, it was more thrust upon me, by my roommate but it led me to appreciate/love The Allmans and definitely helped me make that leap from being just a decent rhythm guitarist to a solid lead-guitarist. Dickey’s style was lovely and musical but it also wasn’t super-technically advanced so it was kind of perfect for where I was at.
Ned F
Have not seen Fanklin yet, but have enjoyed the series “Manhunt” on apple tv. Historical drama about the hunt for Booth and the confederate conspirators after the Lincoln assasination.
And anachronisms galore if your into spotting ahistorical objects. Most of the lamps are 20th C. electrics that appear somewhat like old styles.
The British period series are very maticulous and accurate, their audience is very discerning and will bombard them with corrections.
Brachiator
@Martin:
I usually ignore continuity issues and have a high tolerance for anachronisms in movies and TV shows. A co-worker was an expert horsewoman and always noticed when the wrong horse was used in a scene involving carriages and wagons, and when the incorrect equipment is used. And she always can spot the actors who can’t really ride horses.
I once watched a British romantic drama with a girlfriend. A villainous character said that he was going to buy a naval commission. When I mentioned that this never happened in the British navy, my girlfriend looked at me as though she wanted to slap me into another century.
Apparently there’s a Young Franklin audio drama somewhere, but I don’t know anything about it.
David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch
@Baud: Children’s ice cream, Mandrake
WaterGirl
@Martin: Oh, I thought it was 10, not 6. Good to know.
David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch
@Ned F: The biggest anachronism is Stanton being beard less and portrayed as handsome with a small British accent by Tobias Menzies
Geoduck
@Brachiator: “Actors riding horses” makes me think of this classic.
wenchacha
@Trollhattan: Interesting cannabis rules in California. In NYS, seems like we are still dithering over lots of stuff, but Hochul said she wants people to be able to get licensed and etc. We shall see.
Last CA hotel, I went.out to the sidewalk on El Camino Real to take a few hits. This time I had a small courtyard where the pool used to be. My husband and I tarried there a few evenings. It was still pretty chilly at night recently; nobody else was out at the bistro tables. I confess to vaping out the window a couple of times.
I appreciate No Smoking rooms, but it would be nice if we can come up with some indoor places people can smoke weed among like-minded.
I’m curious how other states, other countries have managed this issue. It’s not a big deal, but it’s new in so many places.
Brachiator
@TBone:
He also changed his position on opposing the immigration of some “undesirables.”
In an influential pamphlet, Benjamin Franklin warned against allowing people of “swarthy complexion” to enter the United States. His worry focused particularly on Germans, believing those emigrating to the United States were “generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation.”
Bill Arnold
@Martin:
The iPhone passcode protection keeps being improved because much of Apple’s brand is security and it’s an arms race, but for older phones at least, shorter passcodes can be brute forced (day-ish for 6 character IIRC), with specialized equipment and methods that are available(/sold, or services) to law enforcement, and to well-provisioned and competent others.
UncleEbeneezer
@TBone: One downside though is that I recently learned about Franklin’s terrible xenophobia towards German immigrants. The scare-mongering framings he used in his writings are almost verbatim what we see applied to Mexicans, Somalians and Afghans etc. nowadays:
TBone
@Brachiator: prescient. Prejudiced, but prescient nonetheless.
Ditto, Uncle E.
UncleEbeneezer
@David 🏀Caitlin Clark🏀 Koch: But it accurately portrays the fact that Reconstruction (and Field Order No. 15) were killed in order to politically appease racist, former-Confederates. That part usually isn’t shown in series’/films about this time period. It also shows that JW Booth was a racist asshole, which I can only assume is true.
Jackie
Re TIFG’s cellphone in court: WHY is he allowed to have his phone on him? Shouldn’t he and everyone else have to surrender their phones before entering the courtroom?
UncleEbeneezer
@Brachiator: My wife is pretty knowledgable about fashion/clothing styles of different periods. She always sees things in period-dramas that make no sense. I just shrug it off though because I do the same thing with music performance like “Oh he’s totally not playing that guitar, those aren’t even real chords” etc.
NutmegAgain
@Tim in SF: I’ll just say that visible zippers in the Bridgerton costumes made me kind of spit and say, “fuck this nonsense.” After having seen enough of Pride & Prejudice and its pals to last a lifetime, a bad farce with anachronisms all over the place just left me cold. So I totally relate to your aunt. Time was I would also make loud noises about things like that. Those people hve gazillions of bucks, is a quick Google search beyond them?
Misterpuff
@Brachiator:
Of course, they didn’t speak the language and didn’t properly understand “Liberty”, but the German immigrant settled the (Mid)West and became bedrock Americans. Many of them still spoke German at church and home up to the 20th century.
America moves on and like an amoeba, engulfs and transforms the immigrant into Americans and they become just another tile in the American mosaic.
smith
@Jackie: DA Bragg has added 7 more instances of TFG’s violations of the gag order to his request for a contempt ruling, including one with a timestamp indicating it was sent while court was in session. Merchan really needs to come down hard on this stuff, or he will act out in ways that might lead to a mistrial
sab
@UncleEbeneezer:In some cases the anachonrism is the point. The fashion purity people when nuts about Clare’s fashion choices in Outlander, but the costume designer said that was the whole point: she made 20th century fashion choices in 18th century Paris, so she looked like Dior New Look not Ancien Regime.
Brachiator
@UncleEbeneezer:
But it is also important to remember that Franklin evolved. He originally wanted to be an English gentleman, but became an American patriot. He later was an abolitionist and never pursued an anti immigrant agenda.
thruppence
With entertainment, suspension of disbelief is very helpful
Martin
@wenchacha: So, my campus wanted to institute a no-smoking policy. I was on the committee – the policy guy. The faculty very swiftly came to a policy they thought was great. I usually give them some time to do this. When they were down to details I started asking questions:
Is this an anti-tobacco policy? Well, oral cancer is a problem, so yeah? What about someone sitting in their car in a campus parking structure? We supposed to police that? Well, maybe just anti-smoking on campus property. What if they’re smoking pot? Well, yeah, of course. You realize most of our faculty live on campus property – this would apply to all of your homes and yards. Oh. Well, maybe that’s going too far. What about someone with a prescription (we had medical pot, but not legalization at that time) – are we denying people with a prescription the ability to use their prescription? Well…
I had a fucking blast with that one.
You’re not going to get an indoor smoking of anything policy in CA. We’ve had the strongest anti-smoking provisions in the country for decades.
Martin
@Bill Arnold: That’s iPhone 7 and older. Almost none of those still in use.
Martin
@thruppence: To a point. It quickly gets insulting. You’re asking me to believe that these supposedly smart, educated people are so goddamn oblivious that they aren’t suspicious of this other character?
That’s just lazy writing. Write a tighter story. Telling me that there’s magic in this world, that’s easy to get me to do, but don’t tell me the whip-smart, world traveling nurse is going to fall for this incredibly obvious scam. That’s insulting. We have an agreement – there’s magic and these people are smart and those aren’t – and then you the writer broke it.
Jeffro
@Brachiator: smart, a complete rake, AND anti-German? What’s not to love about Ben Franklin? =)
(I kid, I kid!)
Gvg
@VFX Lurker: I had Chemistry so long ago that I had not known there were new elements….my life has not gone in that direction. So thanks for accidentally informing me.
sab
@Jeffro: Watch it, guy.
I read somewhere that according to the last census, 1/3 of Americans consider themselves ethnically German. Mostly voting in the midwest is my guess. Also too Texas.
prostratedragon
We briefly revisit a recent topic in recognition of the most recent project of the House Freedom Caucus.
Kay
I went to the NW OH Democratic dinner tonight and everyone was talking about 35 dollar a month insulin.
I had no idea it was such a big deal.
sab
@Kay: So you don’t have a lot of diabetic friends. Insulin delivery systems have become insanely expensive.
Timill
@VFX Lurker: “These are the only ones of which the news has come to Hahvahd”…
Kay
@sab:
I guess I didn’t know people were talking about it so much.
Jackie
@Kay: It’s a Big Biden Deal! That’s why folks are talking about it so much.
pluky
@bbleh: It’s not just “real Japanese”. The actors were coached to speak in the style of 16th century Japanese. Think English speakers doing Shakespeare.
pluky
@Brachiator: I can believe that. The last person one would want in command of a (very expensive!) ship is someone who’s only qualification was the size of their wallet.