Just a perfect day to day- around 80 degrees, clear blue skies, and a nice breeze. I spent a solid 6-7 hours in the fields cutting grass and it was the perfect day for it. Got some fresh air, a little sun, and a bunch of hour to think, which can be a good and a bad thing.
What is the collective opinion on the debate? I personally don’t think Trump is going to show- I think he will back out. Wouldn’t surprise me if he uses this as an excuse:
Good on @kasie Hunt….don’t even bring MAGA trash @kleavittnh on your show in the first place pic.twitter.com/5SRfm5hNtw https://t.co/56HFS2yK9H
— Wu Tang is for the Children (@WUTangKids) June 24, 2024
Or maybe he will go and after they cut off his mic for rambling over his time storm off stage. Who knows?
In other news, I apparently have lost my wallet. Can’t find it anywhere. If Thurston still lived here I would be scouring the back yard, but since he is in Arizona, I have no idea where it is. There wasn’t any money in it and you couldn’t get to Pittsburgh with the money on the one card in it (one upside of being broke, I suppose), so I am not worried about that, but I really do not want to deal with replacing my ss card and driver’s license and all the other bullshit. Ehh, I’ll give it a few days.
Time for the new episode of House of the Dragon.
*** Update ***
I pulled this for Adam’s update on Ukraine and in the interim while I waited to repost it, I see that Assange has agreed to plead guilty and end this whole saga, so hopefully there is one motherfucker we won’t have to hear about again.
Trivia Man
Why carry the SS card? I have mine in the safe
Im just glad i found it after living in approximately 35 different abodes since i got it. Holding up well for a 40+ year old piece of paper
dmsilev
We’ll see, I guess. I tend to think that it’s too late for him to gin up an excuse and back out without looking like a coward in the eyes of the media and through them a good sized swath of the not-really-paying-attention public.
Josie
At the risk of sounding like your mother, retrace your steps from the last time you saw or touched it. I know, I know, it drives my boys batty when I say that, but it works.
Trivia Man
My bet: orange head is a no show
he will CLAIM the terms changed last minute, FTFNYT and the village will print whatever he says with wide eyed credulity
satby
Agree about Assange, I think even his fanbois have moved on.
I expected tcfg to bail by now, so we’ll see.
Hope you didn’t lose your wallet mowing.
Jackie
Have you checked ALL of your pockets in your cargo shorts/bibs you’ve worn the past week?
Otherwise, either it’s next to the mustard or it’s been swallowed by the willow.
bbleh
Color me surprised by the general sentiment — I’ll give 10-1 easy that he shows.
I think the real question is, how will Biden behave? I’m for SOTU 2 Plus — assertive and aggressive. I think he should use every question to criticize Trump’s record and character, and not waste time dealing with the predictable Gish gallop of lies and nonsense. Attack him and let the chips fall where they may. Seems to me it’s all upside for him. Being “Presidential” will gain him approximately nothing IMO.
And OMG you carry your SS card in your wallet? Mine is carefully preserved in a file and taken out maybe once every 2-3 years. Of course, it’s 50 years old, but still …
trollhattan
@bbleh:
Yeah, Trump’s bwaaain: “Free teevee, GOOD; Donny WANT. Donny DESTROY old Joe Biden, DESTROY.”
As complicated as this gets.
sab
@Josie: My husband lost his left flipflop today. We have searched everywhere. How can one shoe be lost? He never changes into one shoe and not the other.
I searched everywhere today under every piece of furniture. All I came up with was another right flipflop, not the same model. With no left flipflop. Hmmm.
So he has somehow lost two.
Scout211
Like several commenters said in an earlier thread today, I really thought Trump would find an excuse to back out and not show. But now I’m thinking he will show.
It really doesn’t matter to his voters or his big donors whether he does well or does horribly in the debate. He gets all kinds of extra points even when his words are nonsensical and ridiculous but Biden loses points if he just pauses for a second or gets a fact wrong.
I think Trump will show and then complain about how “unfair” it was for months.
Jackie
@bbleh:
I do, too. It’s a carryover from the old days of being “a requirement for secondary ID” – which is now “forbidden.” Old habits die hard… 🤷🏼♀️
dexwood
@Trivia Man: Got you beat by a bit. I still have the card issued in 1966 when I went to work for a judge in the deli he owned.
Scout211
As for the lost wallet, check in all the nooks and crannies in your SUV and under the seat (with a flashlight). That’s often where I’ve found Mr. Scout’s lost wallet.
And when you do find it, make sure you attach an air tag to it for the future.
wjca
Totally. I do carry my Medicare card, since there are circumstances where I might actually need to have it. (Hospital emergency away from my usual, for example.) But in three quarters of a century, I have NEVER been asked to show my SS card. Asked for the number? Sure. Lots of times. But nobody asks to see the card.
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trollhattan
@sab: Clearly, Left Shark has it.
He’s not getting it back.
Most memorable flip-flop/zori loss, wading in lake my leg disappeared into a foot or more layer of goo, leg retrieved, zori claimed by goo.
And there’s not a thing you can do about that.
bbleh
@Jackie: EXCEPT it is REQUIRED for a “RealID” driver license.
Truly these are mysteries we mere mortals should not even attempt to comprehend
@sab: so, one is understandable, but two? Have his toilet habits been … irregular recently? Are there other … issues? [scratches beard, makes note]
Trivia Man
Hedging my bet –
he will show, with a coordinated SCOTUS decision released that day. Probably “they said i have absolute immunity forever!!!!”
Then pivot to that with every answer
wjca
And every day, by now every hour, that goes by makes it harder for him to come up with even a notionally plausible excuse. By the weekend, even Fox News would call “Coward!” if he bails.
trollhattan
File under G for Gee, ya think?
Wonder who will be taking Barron’s NYU classes for him, should he attend?
Scout211
Except for those of us on social security or other federal programs. All we need for the REAL ID is our 1099 form.
But my first attempt to get a REAL ID was thwarted because I did bring in my SS card but I had laminated it a million years ago which rendered it invalid. Who knew?
The second time I brought the 1099.
Trivia Man
@dexwood: I didn’t need it for my paper route but 66 still beats me by a few years. I also found the metal version. Obviously not valid as a soc sec card but teenage me thought it was the bees knees. Cant recall if i bought it or got it as a premium with something. Some thin gold colored metal. Tin maybe?
wjca
Not in California.
UncleEbeneezer
@trollhattan: I had a similar situation. After several hours hiking from Reds Meadow (Mammoth Lakes CA) up to Shadow Lake and then Lake Ediza I decided to rest my feet and put on my flip-flops. But then we decided to move our campsite and had to cross the creek. Bodyglove flip-flop ripped right from my foot by the cold, rushing water. In addition to that, the mosquitoes were absolutely merciless. I had 100% deet on and STILL got like 100 bites. After one night of being basically trapped in our tent we bailed, hiked back down, caught the shuttle bus back to Mammoth and grabbed a room at Motel 6. The flip-flop incident was definitely a bad omen.
Scout211
It was required when I got my REAL ID in California
japa21
Trump will show up and behave. He’ll come across as fairly sane. The time limit works to his advantage.
Biden will perform well, but will probably have a slight stutter once or twice.
Trump will be declared the winner.
dexwood
@Trivia Man:
A metal SS card? Jealous.
bbleh
@Scout211: it actually says on the back, “do not laminate” but of course I did immediately because duh, and I was only 14. I don’t know that it renders it invalid though. Sounds more like overly-officious bureaucrat
@japa21: this is why I think Biden needs to attack relentlessly. It goes directly to the “old” thing (see SOTU), it allows him to contrast his record and his character with Trump’s without sounding defensive or nerdy, and it might goad Trump into doing something usually stupid.
Jackie
@trollhattan:
Something tells me he doesn’t take after his daddy in the brains department.
UncleEbeneezer
I appreciate the optimism Cole, but I doubt Assange is just gonna fade away. My guess is he will try to help Trump again and will also dive in to the current rise of Anti-Semitism veiled as FreePalestine sentiment*. Ratfuckers usually don’t change for the better.
* No, not all FreePalestine advocacy is Anti-Semitic, but a lot of it is. And Assange has shown Anti-Semitic tendencies in the past so he probably will again now that it’s sadly the big trend.
zhena gogolia
@Joseph Patrick Lurker: My husband gave me Jen Psaki’s book for my birthday. I’m reading it to be nice, but she doesn’t come off as too charming in it. It’s interesting, but not charming (unlike Michelle Obama, who’s both).
HumboldtBlue
@Jackie:
Yup.
piratedan
I think Trump shows
I think he’ll start by trying to allay the fears of the media by seeming calm and composed, he’ll likely start by calling Biden a liar, on drugs and of a personal vendetta siccing the DOJ on him. He’ll go personal by likening Hunter’s conviction as being worse than his own and everything on him is ALL political.
Then he’ll move to policy, immigration, othering POC, then move on to crowing about abortion and HIS Supreme Court and then how his NEXT term will all be about retribution.
Depending upon how Biden responds and the ACTUAL media handling of the debate will determine what happens next, if Trump doesn’t feel like he’s scored any points based on how the debate has gone, he may then freelance and doom himself.
I think Biden tries to play it straight. I expect at least two really awfully framed questions to be tossed his way (immigration and Israel) and all attention will be on those answers because I doubt DJT will be asked to counter.
It’s still possible that DJT will melt down and in a way, he may be thankful for the mic cutoffs.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Lord Stanley’s Cup is tied 1-1 in the 2nd period 🏒 ⛸️
sitting on the edge of my seat💺
winner takes all 🏆
mrmoshpotato
Personally , I will not be wasting my time this year on Orange Shitstain!
I regret paying any attention in 2015/16 (It’s not like I wasn’t going to vote for the Democratic nominee.)
Back to Game 7. Go Panthers!
Go Rangers! Go Cubs!
ETA
THANK FUCK! I will piss on his grave too!
Peke Daddy
@Josie: Try looking within four feet of where you found it missing.
Phylllis
@Trivia Man: I believe we got ours from a stand at the county fair. Which may be the most redneck thing ever, now that I think about it.
TaMara
Well, if your wallet isn’t with the mustard, I often find mine between the seat and the door in the car or the seat and the console.
Also, when you find it, put your SS card in a safety box/safe. No need to carry it.
😘
TaMara
@Scout211: The only thing in CO was you had to get a new photo and turn in your old DL.
narya
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: spoiler alert for the future please; I’m only 9 minutes into 1st period.
HumboldtBlue
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
Go Oilers, go!
raven
Whither Randino?
Jackie
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Bouncing between the SC and Men’s CWS finale.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
spoiler alert: 🐱🐱 cats put the biscuit in the basket
mrmoshpotato
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Gus? Is that you? 😁
HumboldtBlue
@Jackie:
I’m bouncing between Copa America and the Cup. This morning it was the Euros, lotta cups going on, and I’m drinking from them all.
Jay
Rooting for the Oilers, will not post spoilers.
Canada needs the Cup back.
Trivia Man
@Phylllis: I was in No cal, city boy so not a redneck fair. But that sounds like a likely place that get a metal card – at the marin county fair. Maybe the same year i saw the Banana Splits play LIVE!
Another Scott
Meanwhile, one for
MayhewAnderson…WTF indeed. Throw the book at them!
Grr…,
Scott.
Madeleine
@Josie: my husband lost his AmEx card recently. We were sure it was in our apartment. We both hunted. No card. So he gave up, called AmEx and cancelled the card (he later discovered that he could have blocked it, but they didn’t tell him that). A couple hours later he found it . . . lying under his belt on a chair. Sheesh.
Melancholy Jaques
I have to believe Trump will show because the failure to do so would be devastating to his campaign. There are no excuses that would work for him with anyone but his cult.
Trump will be a volcano of lies and wild accusations. CNN has already announced that they are going to let him lie, so he has no reason to hold back.
I do worry that the political media are going to continue to prop him up and run Biden down. Our experience has been that few people watch the debates, but many follow the coverage. Recall Obama’s first debate against Romney and the complete freakout that followed
I have hated these “debates” since 2000 and hope for a day when no one will do them.
kindness
I’m betting that Trump is going to start shouting and throwing a tantrum when they cut his mic. I doubt they’ll be in soundproof booths, so Trump braying in the background won’t be able to be ignored. That Plus CNN has said they won’t factcheck Trump during the debate. Assholes.
Harrison Wesley
I think I’m familiar with Biden’s accomplishments. I know Trump will just spew shit. Why would I waste my time watching/listening to this mess?
Dangerman
My guess. Extra credit if he drops a curse word. EXTRA credit if he destroys the stage like Keith Moon. Extra EXTRA credit if he moons the camera.
Sister Golden Bear
Reposting since I was late to almost -dead Pride thread downstairs…
My annual re-upping of Joe.My.God’s epic essay/rant about why Pride is important, summed up as:
Cheryl from Maryland
I volunteered for a while at a UMC Church’s ID ministry. A bunch of retired federal bureaucrats helping those who had lost their ID. It was horrifying. Cuz you can’t get into an SSA office to get a replacement SSA card without a driver’s license. But I learned some tricks. First, take pictures of all of your important cards and store them in a password protected file. Mine are in my Dropbox Account Vault, which I have in the cloud and on my laptop. Also a good place to store important passwords. Because if your state is like my state, the DL number is wacky and impossible to remember. If you set up a SSA account on-line, knowing your number because you have an image of it, you can get a replacement card mailed to you. Ditto Medicare. Ditto a driver’s license in my state of Maryland. Ditto your health insurance company. Ditto your passport under certain circumstances. Ditto your voter ID. Ditto your credit cards as you have the number and how to phone customer assistance. But getting a replacement birth certificate is expensive and a pain in the ass.
Layer8Problem
That means he’s gotta drop his diaper too, man. There aren’t enough “nope”s in the universe to cover that situation.
Another Scott
@Harrison Wesley: I want to see how the moderators control the debate and what questions they ask.
Is our reporters learning??
Cheers,
Scott.
mrmoshpotato
@Another Scott:
No.
I wish I could also predict lottery numbers.
japa21
@Another Scott: Neither moderator is a fan of Trump.
Layer8Problem
@Dangerman: (Redoing this because my Android and WordPress are in cahoots to keep me from fixing it there)
“Extra EXTRA credit if he moons the camera.”
That means he’s gotta drop his diaper too, man. There aren’t enough “nope”s in the universe to cover that situation.
mrmoshpotato
But what’s the over/under on “President Biden, why are you so OOOOOOLLLLLLLLLDDDDDDD?!”
CaseyL
I dread these “debates” because they’re completely worthless.
It doesn’t matter what a Presidential candidate says they want to accomplish, because no policies will be advanced in Congress unless it’s controlled by the same Party as the White House. Debates were once a chance to get an idea of each candidates’ world view, some inkling of what they thought and how they thought. Now it’s all campaign slogans, gotcha comments, and empty rhetoric.
Town Halls are much better. I wish Biden did more of those.
mrmoshpotato
@CaseyL:
Scream it loud! Scream it proud!
HumboldtBlue
Talking about assholes…
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@japa21: I wish that was true, but Dana Bash is a shit head.
Another Scott
HEY!!1
Oh, Ok. I hope so too.
Cheers,
Scott.
Noskilz
If he doesn’t bail, I am expecting it to go badly for Trump – the whole event is designed to minimize his scope for his usual antics.
He can still chuck out random lies in 2-minute chunks. I expect his insane tariff and tipping schemes will make an appearance. I also expect those policy disasters have come up in Biden’s preparations.
He might still bail, but if he was going to, shouldn’t he have done it by now? The trumpalos won’t care, but they aren’t really the target audience for this event and it seems like not showing up will be be a bad look to those currently undecideds out there. I mean if he doesn’t show, won’t he have spent the last several days claiming Biden is wilier than he suggested earlier with nothing to show for it while Biden whales on him for chickening out?
Harrison Wesley
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Well, she’s had six years to change her mind.
HumboldtBlue
I have carried a money clip — or my cards and cash bound by a hairband — for decades, can’t recall the last time I carried a wallet.
A few weeks ago, I bought a Ridge wallet. I like it. Took a minute to get used to it, but it’s solid.
Villago Delenda Est
@HumboldtBlue: You just hate to see it. Suffer, Hoft, you fascist pig. Suffer.
TaMara
@HumboldtBlue: Hey, saw you have a first date tomorrow! Can’t wait to hear how that meeting goes. She’s a cutie!
HumboldtBlue
@TaMara:
Can’t wait!
hitchhiker
I just don’t think anybody knows what to expect from a donald with (1) no audience to play to, (2) questioners who won’t smile and nod at his stupidity, ignorance, or lies, or (3) having to be without a microphone in the presence of the person he knows beat him … especially if that person is relaxed, vicious, and relentless.
The only interview I can remember trump doing that might be a guide is the one he did with Jonathan Swan in the summer of 2020. Remember that? Swan just kept giving him these puzzled wtf faces, and donald just kept blurting out more and more nonsense. But Swan wasn’t the guy who had prevented donald from getting a 2nd term and was threatening to do it again, so that element is missing.
I bet Joe’s been watching that tape this week. Donald is going around pretending he’s not worried, and telling his cult that he might decide to just be “nice.”
As they once said on the West Wing, if Joe brings his A game, this could be a sight to see. A sight to see.
Mai Naem mobile
John – look in your car in the small black hole between the seat and the middle storage bin. Both sides – the drivers and the passengers side. I’ve found stuff I’ve lost in that spot a bunch of times. Usually after I’ve wasted looking in the house and all other areas of the car.
TFG has too big an ego to back out of the debate. I don’t know how it’s going to turn out because I feel the media really want to say that TFG won so that they can continue1 with their horse race analysis.
wjca
I don’t know if this will be occasion. But at some point the media, being in their own incestuous bubble, will decide that they have succeeded in making TCFG the favorite. So it’s time to course correct, and start hyping Biden. Just to preserve the horse race.
An effort made more attractive because it can be done with true information. Which, unlike Trump hype, doesn’t shift every couple of hours. Definitely easier for the media folks.
Captain C
@wjca:
Oh, shit! We’ve cranked up Biden 10 points in 2 weeks! Better start reminding everyone he’s old again!
frosty
Hi JGC! Just wanted to say I’ve enjoyed your Every Night Open Threads. Thanks for posting!
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Ugh. I remember when I lost my wallet at BWI and didn’t discover it was gone until I’d landed at Heathrow. Pain in the neck, mitigated by my keeping my US passport and Greek national ID in a different travel wallet which thankfully I didn’t misplace, but I landed in Athens with no cash and no way to access the money in my bank account. Thankfully I also had relatives there who were able to arrange transport for me back to my apartment, and replacement cards were quick to arrive (Amex and Citibank were pretty amazing about it, especially sending the replacement cards overseas).
Since then, I’ve been paranoid about it, and nowadays I swear by AirTags. Yes, it’s possible to lose things in a one-bedroom one-bath apartment. But especially as my memory starts to flag with age, it’s good to have an alternate method of tracking the critical stuff down
Oh, and that trip was also where I discovered that even if your physical credit cards get lost, if you’ve got them in a digital wallet on your phone, the card companies will continue to honor the digital cards even if the physical ones have been cancelled. The Amex rep made sure to point that out in an attempt to allay my concerns. (Unfortunately, this was also the trip where my Android phone spontaneously bricked itself, so it wasn’t a help in the moment, but good information for the future. Thankfully I haven’t lost a wallet since.)
Barry
@wjca: “But at some point the media, being in their own incestuous bubble, will decide that they have succeeded in making TCFG the favorite. So it’s time to course correct, and start hyping Biden. Just to preserve the horse race.”
IMHO, no. Remember that Trump has committed crimes so vast that they belong in bad airport novels, and the press normalized him..
Biden came in and saved the day, and the press hates hom for it.
evodevo
@wjca:
I showed up to the KY Real ID office without mine – no go. Must have ORIGINAL card, so I had to just renew my drivers license instead. Now I have to use my passport to get through airline security. Bummer.
Miss Bianca
@Trivia Man: Mine keeps appearing and disappearing in the detritus of various moves – it’s 50 years old now, has my 10-year-old signature scrawl on it.
Can’t they be replaced? Or is there Only One, meant to last your lifetime?
Manyakitty
@Miss Bianca: there must be a replacement process.
Miss Bianca
@TaMara: Which is yet another reason why I *heart* Colorado.
Old School
@Miss Bianca:
Yes, they can. Just go to your closest Social Security office.
We needed to do that years ago as Soon-to-Be Mrs. School was in a bit of a panic not being able to locate hers when we needed it to get a marriage license.
We ended up not needing to postpone our wedding.