6:09 am: MJoe showed Bannon Time mag cover, played SNL clip of Trump & “President Bannon” & discussed “maybe Bannon’s calling all the shots” https://t.co/h83HP3xjxN
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) February 6, 2017
I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 6, 2017
POTUS tweet came a half-hour after this CNN segment: https://t.co/D16SXKjhFh https://t.co/Ecog2yIRLj
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) February 6, 2017
Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 6, 2017
Trump might be the most predictable human on earth https://t.co/GmmtMlM4j6
— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) February 6, 2017
Less than three weeks and he's burned out. https://t.co/f4MZvGnt0W
— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) February 6, 2017
“President Bannon” yet to meet Rasputin’s fate, though…
PUTTING ON MY LINGUISTICS EXPERT HAT: Cheetolini didn't write this. "accumulation of data" & "marginalize" aren't part of his vernacular pic.twitter.com/5zAkSFs7Ez
— Liza Sabater ???????? (@blogdiva) February 6, 2017
Agree. You know who is really into bragging about the accumulation of data? Cambridge Analytica board member Steve Bannon https://t.co/W3XS83yfAX
— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) February 6, 2017
Major Major Major Major
I can’t tell if the Cambridge Analytica stuff is your standard “zomg computerbot targeting!!1” freakout we get each election cycle or if it’s actually troubling. Thoughts?
Sean
Captain Insecurity isn’t doing so well. But I hope he’s able to keep up this level of insanity because it’s keeping Congress from acting on his and their promises. They’re too busy denying they know him without sounding like they don’t support him to do any legislating.
Spanky
First thing that jumped out at me too. “Accumulation of data”? From Trump? And spelled correctly? Na ga happen.
Frankensteinbeck
‘Marginalize’? Oh my god, he really just repeats any word he heard other people use, without understanding what it means. The toddler comparison keeps growing.
schrodingers_cat
@Major Major Major Major: I am always suspicious of after-the-fact analysis.
Loneoak
So a couple of masked, heavily armed and armored morans walked into a Dearborn police station today to “make a complaint” and only made it out alive because they’re white. Which word do you suppose would have been misspelled more often in that complaint: “sharia” or “liberty”?
FlyingToaster
@Sean: Also, their phonelines, voicemail, e-mail inboxes, and mailboxes are all full of people telling them to not vote for _________ that Trump or Ryan or McConnell want. And
Melissa McCarthySpicer is up there claiming we’re all paid protestors.Keep up the good work, folks!
schrodingers_cat
From the last thread:
I think vetting is misspelled. I don’t think banning refugees will help but a trip to the urologist might.
Devolution of the office of the President in 70 years:
Fear nothing but fear itself.
to
Fear everything.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodingers_cat: the articles I’ve read didn’t seem that alarming, just sensationalist, and the only people I’ve seen freaking out about it are not particularly computer/privacy/security savvy. Haven’t heard much in the hack-o-sphere.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: Its backstopped by Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs tied to Putin. My guess is that if anyone could get some sunshine into the funds the Mercer’s run, they’d find a lot of Russian oligarch money in it.
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/211152/trump-data-analytics-russian-access
This is the thing that we come back to over and over and over. Everything within two links of the President, the people in his immediate circle, including his family, is Russian oligarchs or the Bratva. And those folks all link back to Putin. I realize its all circumstantial, but at some point you have to recognize that the amount of it is just staggering.
lamh36
Um Don…you’re obsessed
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
lamh36
amk
Trump
might beis the mostpredictableplayable human on earth.Adam L Silverman
@Loneoak: This is approaching Floriduh Man status…
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: sure, but I see people freaking out over the actual data collection and targeting. I’m just assuming everything is putin, which is problematic, but…
MisterForkbeard
@lamh36: The world needs more Pushing Daisies references.
jl
I guess a good sign that Mornin’ Joe Jughead is using SNL feed for his show. Well help him keep his facts straight. I don’t watch the show, just commenting for a friend here. And from what clips I see.
Thinking about Trump, I can see how could go for the Great Bowling Green Massacre gambit. A guy who’s recent hard business cash flow comes largely from marks who would sign up for Trump University would have certain ideas about what sells.
Bad as W was, I imagine that if Cheney and Rummy had come up with this stuff, W would be on the phone very quickly: “Dad, Dick and Rummy’s talking reealll funny these days. It don’t sound right.”
Oatler.
I remember a Eugene Mirman bit about an airline that might apply: “like hiring an insincere baby with amnesia to solve a crime IT committed.”
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: I can credibly talk about the strategic communication portions of it, but the computer/tech portions are outside of my areas of expertise. From what I understand, it was effectively used as part of a focused, multi-pronged strategic communication strategy across multiple social media and other media platforms. How effective? I’m not sure anyone knows how to measure it beyond: Brexit passed and the President won a narrow victory in three states that gave him a slim majority in the electoral college.
schrodingers_cat
@lamh36: From the Politico article:
Irony is dead, or MSM will publish any Republican BS with a straight face.
Darkrose
He’s like a kids’ toy. Pull the string and he squawks “FAKE NEWS!”
Loneoak
@Adam L Silverman: Michigan has been gunning for that status for awhile now. And now the rest of you get to take DeVos off of our hands! Enjoy!
lamh36
@lamh36: so what’s the over/under on how soon Spicer is gone?
and who will replace him? Laura Ingraham?
Gvg
Something to keep in mind with trying to get under his skin is he watches “the shows” but doesn’t read. He has been known to boast he is on the cover of magazine stories that are negative about him. If it’s written, he won’t get it. It has to be video.
Iowa Old Lady
@lamh36: Spicer was shown as a maniac and it’s the fact a woman portrayed him that’s horrifying? Trump really is from the 1950s
Mai.naem.mobile
Dolt 45 is all the crappy stuff he tweets. He’s a loser,he’s sad and he’s fake . Also he’s been PUT ON NOTICE by a majority of the country who don’t like him.
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: ok. I see people trotting it out as a Bond villain-esque private intel service, which I know is BS, but it sounds like it’s just a marketing firm that knows how data mining works.
MomSense
My god. I finally caught a bit of whatever it was that trump did this afternoon in public. The man was unraveling in real time.
Renie
check out the ad VoteVets.com is running during Morning Joe for Trump to see. Brutal
Immanentize
I am just imagining Mr Rogers saying: “Can you say accumulation of data? Can you?l”
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: I don’t know. I also don’t know what the Russian connections mean. But if I was looking for a front that could be used to crack into political consulting/campaign communication in democratic countries I wanted to destabilize, this would be a good way to do it.
Immanentize
@schrodingers_cat: I gotta say that “fear everything” beats where we might be heading: “fear me.”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
So twitter tells me that one of the attacks the Trump White House claims has been covered up by the crooked media was “Santa Bernadette”
Anne Laurie
@Sean:
I need someone with better tech skills to do a NEW PHONE WHO DIS meme with Trump and McConnell!
lamh36
@RollingStone
#GRAMMYs organizers are trying to find a balance between artist expression and fear of presidential reproach
Grow a fuq’n spine GRAMMY organizers…good Lord…
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: it can be all of those things and still technologically no more sinister than the Obama campaign.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: d’oh! I fell for a twitter joke, but they did misspell San Bernardino, which they are asserting was not covered by the media
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: “Santa Bernadette” is white. I mean, he was an historical figure, that was a verifiable fact, as is Jesus…I just want the kids watching to know that.
lamh36
Melania Trump’s lawyers admit she hoped to cash in on being First Lady by selling clothes and fragrances http://ow.ly/rEKh308KlYd
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: Loaded guns don’t shoot themselves.
(Recognizing that those made before the introduction of drop safeties, those that have had significant modification to the their triggers, etc may, in fact fire when not intended to.)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
dm
@Major Major Major Major: I sort of view them as akin to Palantir. Weaponized social network graphs.
More sinister than the Obama campaign (and its spin-offs) in terms of their customers, but maybe not more sinister in terms of the technology involved.
In other, um, news: ‘fake news’ begins to find an audience on the left (that’s the Guardian, so I basically trust it). Paranoia: a way to discredit reporting about Trump (e.g., the Martin Luther King bust story writ large).
Loneoak
@Major Major Major Major:
I can somewhat credibly discuss the data mining aspect of it. It’s not really anything outside of the new-normal of behavioral micro-targeting. Cathy O’Neil (aka mathbabe) has a good blog post about them. I think they stand out because they appear to be especially grifty with 1) the overpromising on their psychological profiles (just because data is granular doesn’t mean it supports equally-granular individual analyses); 2) the self-dealing of paying campaign funds to a Kushner investment; and 3) the Bratva money behind it all. Being nefarious on 2) and 3) doesn’t not imply effectiveness with 1), and might actually work against it. Hiring CA didn’t work for Cruz, why should we assume it worked for Trump?
jl
If the Matrix disinformation program were a self destructing Rube Goldberg contraption with frayed string, hamster wheels, and rubber bands put together by a drunk, I guess it would look something like what the WH is pumping out. I hope it stays that way.
Edit: Sorry, i forgot the airplane model glue. Must be a lot of airplane model glue involved.
Major Major Major Major
@Loneoak: thanks, that’s about my take.
@dm: they also seem to be as popularly misunderstood as Palantir so that works too.
oklahomo
@lamh36: I want Katrina Pierson back for that, and her necklace of bullets.
p.a.
I like Cheetolini. Angry Circus Peanut also too.
‘Fake news’ is just rebranded ‘liberal bias’ newspeak thought control, as I pointed out to my winger relatives, but they couldn’t think their way out of a paper bag if given a machete and written instructions.
Loneoak
@dm: One difference between Palantir and CA is of course the vast amount of intelligence community-controlled data Palantir has access to.
dm
@Loneoak: With Bannon on the CA board, who knows how long that difference will hold?
PS, Cathy O’Neil just published a book about data mining/machine learning/modeling that has one of the best titles ever: Weapons of Math Destruction.
Shana
Hubby just forwarded something to me: #TheIdesofTrump. I hadn’t heard of it before. We’re encouraged to send postcards to SCROTUS on March 15th telling him why we oppose him and his policies. I love this idea. If he gets a million postcard, or more, he would have a harder time thinking it’s not organic. Your thoughts?
chopper
impeach the peach!
Adam L Silverman
@Loneoak: Correct, but as someone who’s used Palantir and CPOF (Command Post of the Future) and Analyst Notebook and a number of others in that environment, at the end of the day the people pushing these programs miss the point. Every commander I’ve dealt with – from Battalion to Brigade to Division to Corps to Army Service Component Command, as well as many other members of Command Groups and the senior staffs all like having data presented in ways they’re comfortable with. I made a fancy chart using Analyst Notebook my brigade’s deputy commander. What he wanted, and what I went back and did, was just something simple. He just wanted the names of the people he was dealing with in the local government, with pics of their faces replacing the default male icon, with their tribe and religious sect below their names. While he did care about who was connected to who and how strongly and other connections, that’s not what he wanted.
At the end of the day all these programs are great. Especially when you’ve got good data to put into them. But as the end of the day turns to night you have to be able to qualify what you’re talking about to whoever has to digest that information and make a decision. And that usually doesn’t involve edge scores.
chopper
@Frankensteinbeck:
trump is one of those guys who remembers the last thing he hears. since he was probably talking to bannon last, he had to use ‘marginalized’ and ‘accumulation of data’.
Loneoak
@dm: Yup, not only have I read her book, I’ve blogged about it!
Zinsky
Trump is a sexual pervert and degenerate who has raped a 14 year old girl and at least 17 women have stated that he sexually assaulted them. We should never, ever let the American people forget this! He is NOT NORMAL. HE IS ONE SICK PUPPY! Tell everyone you know, as often as you can!
efgoldman
@Shana:
No, he wouldn’t. “Thinking” is your mistake, here.
BruceFromOhio
Let the cold water of reality shrink the #SCROTUS.
dm
@Adam L Silverman: I have no hands-on experience with these tools, but I thought the idea was that these were primarily tools for analysts to find connections (i.e., generating hypotheses), not so much for making the final presentation.
@Loneoak: I figured I should have started out with “As you probably already know…”. A propos the PredPol stuff in your blog post, Pro Publica’s work on that “sentencing guideline/bail-modeling” software was one of the things that made me start sending them money.
Adam L Silverman
@dm: They should be. The problem is that they are often pitched, in training people on them, as “here’s how you make your briefing look high speed…”.
dm
@Adam L Silverman: “…and incorporate this chart into PowerPoint.”
Adam L Silverman
@dm: Yep. And that’s often part of the pitch as to why these things are better than CPOF. If you’re using CPOF every thing has to be done in CPOF. If you use analyst notebook or ARC GIS or Falcon View or Palantir or… you can make whatever you’re doing into an image and embed it into a powerpoint or a report. This, of course, kind of defeats the purpose as all the goodness resides in the data that can be accessed within each program. We call these images dumb images or dumb charts or dumb maps.
rikyrah
@Adam L Silverman:
of course,it’s staggering
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: Конечно
Bupalos
I’m going to disagree on the “marginalize” and “accumulation of data” terms. They are used improperly. This is Trump trying to sound “smart” like the “smart people” in his little orbit, proving he’s really the smart one behind these smart moves. It’s Trump trying to translate Bannon and… that guy, you know, that guy that I let pork my Melvaniaka, the one avenging his father. Good boy. Good guy. What were we talking about??
dm
@Bupalos: Well, there’s an easy way to figure it out. Did the tweet come from an iPhone or from an Android? If the former, it’s not Trump, but a staffer. If the latter, maybe Trump.
Bupalos
@schrodingers_cat: That’s very good.
That would play out here in the sticks.
1935 U.S. President: We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
2016 U.S. President: OMG guys, these guys are so scary, and if something happens it’s not my fault remember I tried to shut the door and run away except these liberals wouldn’t let me. Okay? Okay? Guys?!? Not my fault, right?
J R in WV
@Adam L Silverman:
I was on a jury of a murder trial – the deadly weapon was a Thompson Contender pistol shooting 7mm Mag with a trigger pull measured by the ballistics guys at ~20 oz. It seemed much lighter to me, we had the gun in the jury room during deliberations.
When the gun went off, it was in a Uncle Mike shoulder holster, not being worn, just being handed around. Victim had bits of fiberglass enbedded all over his chest. So they can go off unexpectedly!
Ballistics expert asked how many police ready rooms he visited? “Hundreds!” How many did not show any sign of an unintentional discharge? “Not many at all…”
Not guilty.
Spence
http://www.stephentree.com/orange/
Orange is coming 2007 prediction
steverinoCT
@J R in WV:
I remember using the indoor pistol range at the Newport RI base, where the Naval War College is and apparently NROTC training. The overhead sound baffles were peppered with bullet holes.