Shortly after the election the American Jewish Congress and the Islamic Society of North America formally entered into a civil rights protection and promotion and civil society defense agreement. Today, in response to yesterday’s violence and vandalism at St. Louis’s Chesed Shel Emeth Cemetery, Linda Sarsour and Tarik El-Messidi have started a fundraising campaign to help repair the damage done.
DONATE WHAT YOU CAN. Muslims Unite to Repair Jewish Cemetery! https://t.co/HVWIvpZtCR
— Linda Sarsour (@lsarsour) February 21, 2017
The 'Muslims Unite to Repair Jewish Cemetery' LaunchGood raised more than $25,000 in a 24-hour period. pic.twitter.com/OhvwDZwAAa
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) February 21, 2017
You may remember Linda Sarsour, the Executive Director of the Arab American Association of New York, as one of the co-chairs for the Women’s March. Tarik El-Messidi is the founder of Celebrate Mercy, an educational outreach program intended to inform both Muslims and non-Muslims about Islam and the life of Prophet Muhammed.
So well done currently unknown dickheads and domestic terrorists – your stupidity has just drawn Muslim and Jewish Americans closer together. Give yourselves a round of applause for achieving exactly the opposite of what you intended to achieve: to scare Americans of different faiths and ethnicities in order to drive them apart and make them easier to prey upon in the future. Morons!
Mnemosyne
I am all in favor of disparate groups getting together and forming a united front against the white supremacists trying to split us all apart.
Stronger together.
Villago Delenda Est
All these people are so much smarter than Bannon can possibly imagine.
Spanky
@Villago Delenda Est: That’s President Bannon to you, peon.
Pogonip
I think the desecration of the dead is one of the few things everyone has in common. We think it’s outrageous.
Adam, have you heard any rumors about a 2019 BRAC? I have.
Omnes Omnibus
Lemonade.
Spanky
Protip for front pagers: schedule your posts for a random minute rather than at the top of the hour. I see AL pulled her 8:00 back.
Tokyokie
It takes a really rough, tough, brave individual to desecrate the resting place of a dead person.
Ruckus
@Pogonip:
What is a BRAC?
Brachiator
Has anyone offered a reward to help catch the scum responsible for this desecration?
It’s great that people are coming together over this. We will need more of this in the days to come.
Mnemosyne
@Tokyokie:
Well, you never know when the ghosts are going to get you. Or the zombies. So, yes, super brave!
Gin & Tonic
There was a post, now there isn’t.
If only there were some means by which the half-dozen people who currently use the keys Cole provided them could communicate with each other about their timing and intentions. Something like writing a letter, but quicker. I wonder if “electronic mail” would ever catch on.
Ruckus
@Tokyokie:
The live people fight back.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruckus: Base realignment and closure.
SiubhanDuinne
Damn this stuff that’s irritating my eyes.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
she’s tough because castrating pigs
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ETA: Video (poor audio): Sounds like they’re chanting “Do your job!“
? Martin
@Ruckus: I presume Base Realignment And Closure.
geg6
Yes. More of this. This is how we win. Stronger together.
MomSense
@Pogonip:
I hadn’t heard this rumor but I wouldn’t be surprised. If it happens, I’m guessing it will be all blue states kn the list.
geg6
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Was there snow? I really want video of her fleeing with bread bags on her feet!
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
Thanks
I enjoyed my time in the navy so much that I’ve tried to keep up on all the comings and goings of the military. And if you buy that I’ve got a couple of bridges with low mileage I can let you have for cheap.
Anne Laurie
@Gin & Tonic:
It’ll be back in an hour.
Adam & I were working on our separate posts at the same time. His post wasn’t ‘published’ when I did a last proof-read on mine, but he beat me to the finish line. Nothing in my Open Thread that can’t wait, so I pulled it back for a while… no harm, no foul!
SiubhanDuinne
@Ruckus:
IIRC, Base Realignment And Closure.
debbie
I hope Trump and his goons choke on this.
Pogonip
@Ruckus: Oh, sorry. I was born in an Army hospital and spent my life in and around DOD: I forget not everyone speaks it! It’s Base Realignment And Closure. Rumors are flying…
Pogonip
@Ruckus: I have a lot of friends (believe it or not) who are still working and praying for an early-retirement offer. I think it’s wishful thinking, myself. Congress can’t get anything else done, why should a BRAC be any different?
Ruckus
@SiubhanDuinne:
I amaze myself with how little almost useless knowledge I can’t keep track of.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Gin & Tonic: That won’t work, look what happened to HRC and EMAILS!!!
Elizabelle
OT: PBS American Experience tonight is Maya Angelou. Treat yourself. Deep, intelligent voice and well-chosen words. Wonderful woman, as you know.
Goku
Holy fuck, that’s horrible. It’s wonderful tho that this tragedy is bringing people together in defense of the dead, the ultimate defenseless victims. Probably why this crime’s struck such a nerve with so many.
raven
Maxine Waters just called Tillerson and friends “scumbags”!! Whoo hoo!
eyelessgame
I’ve been trying to gently and compassionately warn my few remaining Trump-supporting friends about this.
“You need to get used to the idea – if you’re going to support the people going after Muslims and Mexicans, you’re going to have to prepare yourself to support going after Jews too. Jews are going to be a problem for you. They know what happened the last time you did this, and they’re not going to just stand by and let it happen again just because you’re choosing a different initial target.”
They just haven’t found this message welcome so far. But I’ll keep working on them, because they do need to recognize this is who they are, and if they’re going to stay on that side they’d better get themselves comfortable with it.
hovercraft
This is all just a front, everyone knows that the pro-Palestinian liberals are responsible for all this, and Obama.
Santorum: Anti-Semitic acts coming from Muslims
So you seen this alliance you speak of cannot possibly be true.
‘This is fake news’: Rick Santorum melts down on CNN and blames Obama for anti-Semitism under Trump
“For eight years — eight years! — the Obama administration sat by and said nothing about the increasing anti-Semitism on college campuses!”
Santorum defended Trump’s refusal to speak out about violence in the United State by saying that he was “much more supportive of the state of Israel than Obama.”
“Donald Trump’s base is more pro-Israel, more pro-Jewish people than anybody,” Santorum added. “If you talk to anybody in the pro-Israel movement, they will tell you the bedrock of that is the evangelical Christian community in this country. In fact, the folks who have been walking away are liberal Jews, who are walking away from Israel, not conservative Christians.”
Ruckus
@Pogonip:
Understand, I only was in for 4 as a young adult and enjoyed it so very little. It did provide me with VA benefits, which is a lifesaver for me, but then it also paid me about 1/8 of what I made working at the time and was just slightly riskier.
efgoldman
@MomSense:
I think you’re right, but except for California i don’t think there are that many big blue state bases left to close.
Adam L Silverman
Updated with appropriate imagery at the bottom of the post.
Mnemosyne
@MomSense:
Since the entire West Coast is blue, including Hawaii, I kind of wish a motherfucker would. It’s not like it would cause problems for San Diego to lose thousands of jobs, right?
debbie
@hovercraft:
Screw Santorum. Evangelicals only care about the Jewish nation as caretakers until the Rapture.
Adam L Silverman
@Pogonip: I heard one Democratic Congresswoman mention that she would oppose any increased Defense spending until a new round of BRAC (base realignment and closing) was considered/started. I haven’t heard anything beyond that.
efgoldman
@Pogonip:
Isn’t there a commission? Or was it dissolved after the last round?
Ruckus
@hovercraft:
I’ve always thought that little Ricky was delusional, but now I know with 100% certainty.
Lurking Canadian
@hovercraft: Right, the real anti-Semites in America are all Jewish. Sure, I mean, that’s just obvious.
Adam L Silverman
@Ruckus: Base Realignment and Closing.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Actually within Judaism I think the concern is a dybbuk.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/dibbuk-dybbuk
SiubhanDuinne
@Ruckus:
Yeah, me too. The sad thing is, I still have all that useless knowledge bouncing around in my head, but my quick recall — the finger on the buzzer — is shot, so there’s no point in even auditioning for Jeopardy!
rikyrah
Kyle GriffinVerified account
@kylegriffin1
Nancy Pelosi on new DHS immigration memo: “Tearing apart families and dragging parents out of their homes does not make America great.”
Spanky
@hovercraft: Who the fuck dragged Santorum back into the light of day? And what could he possibly contribute in exchange for wasting oxygen?
efgoldman
@debbie:
Also, if there’s anybody less relevant, even in his own movement, than Rih, I don’t know who it is.
rikyrah
Ok Animal Folks..this cracked me up.
The Lodger
@hovercraft: Poor Rick Santorum. All of the brains and talent of Mike Pence, and none of the luck.
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
I think that picture is misleading. I think his problem is that skull cap he’s wearing is just tied too tight. Or it’s just holding all the loose bits in, and I can’t tell which.
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: 1) Email between front pagers, or at least my emails to other front pagers gets answered sporadically, depending on the front pager. I do not know why. 2) I always check when I start drafting a post to see if a) someone is also drafting at the same time and b) if something is scheduled to go up around the time I’d hit publish. If so I schedule the post for a different time. Unless its a breaking news type of event.
When I started drafting this post I checked and no one was drafting anything, nor was anything scheduled to post around the time I’d finish.
efgoldman
@raven:
Good for her. Our congresscritters and senators are all true blue, but they’re much too nice.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
I could have sworn it was also the title of a novel by Isaac Bashevis Singer, but I think they just made guest appearances.
Spanky
@Ruckus: That’s no skull cap, that’s a semi-inflated balloon.
Ruckus
@The Lodger:
You know, that’s a low blow. Not undeserved in either direction mind you but low.
Bravo!
efgoldman
@SiubhanDuinne:
Maybe they’ll have a week of “old, slow and decrepit” the same way they do with the kids. Then the three of us can audition.
amk
@Adam L Silverman: Ignore the bj bitchers.
Adam L Silverman
@Pogonip: A BRAC is, perhaps, the hardest and most contentious thing for any member of the House to get behind. Because it takes a facility, jobs, and dollars out of their districts. Senators have it a little easier on a BRAC, but not by much.
Mnemosyne
My office temperature is now 66.6 degrees. Just sayin’.
Adam L Silverman
@raven: Her fun meter has been pegged out for several months now.
Ruckus
@Spanky:
Full of luke warm air then. Finally, an explanation.
raven
@Ruckus: They BRAC’d the Navy Supply School that is about 500 yards from my house. I miss the bugle.
Baud
Next up, the Judean’s People’s Front and the People’s Front of Judea join forces to fight Trump.
Corner Stone
Oh my fucking God. Dave Weigel has turned into some parody of an emo hipster 40 yr old douchecanoe.
What the fuck is that thing on my TV?
Baud
@amk: That’s all of us.
debbie
@Mnemosyne:
It might be fun to watch the San Diego outrage. Isn’t that Rohrbacher’s area?
AliceBlue
Josh Marshall’s mother is buried in that cemetery. He wrote a post about the vandalism earlier today.
Baud
@Corner Stone: I just had the same reaction.
Steve in the ATL
@raven:
Ah–now i know where you live. I always thought that inland Georgia was an odd place for the Navy to have a facility. Felt the same way about the Navy base in Millington, TN (hometown of Justin Timberlake!!!!OMG!!!).
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
If the temp in the apt gets lower than about 72 right now I start shivering violently. And I’m dressed very warmly. Ahhhh the flu is FUN. Went to the store and bought tea and honey. Haven’t had tea in decades, it was all I could drink in the navy, sailing north of the Arctic Circle in winter, as good coffee makes me sick so you can imagine what the crap they served on board ship would do.
rikyrah
Reagan Gomez
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@ReaganGomez
Ya’ll watching Rep. Maxine Waters on @allinwithchris. She called DT’s folks ‘scumbags’. Twice. YES Maxine!!!!!
7:19 PM – 21 Feb 2017
hovercraft
@Spanky:
CNN of course, they’ve hired him as a senior political analyst just last week. So we can expect his insightful well informed commentary going forward. You’re welcome America, make that world, since they are international.
@The Lodger:
You know he is fucking pissed, he’s so much more hard core than Mike Dense, and he did all the right things, and yet Dense got it.
efgoldman
@Adam L Silverman:
Sure, but the red state RWNJs wouldn’t mind doing it to the blue states no matter what the home district Dem rep thought.
rikyrah
Iowa Starting Line @IAStartingLine
Joni Ernst walks in to deafening chant of “Your Last Term!” that overpowers the applause
1:28 PM – 21 Feb 2017
Baud
@rikyrah: I hope.
rikyrah
John Aravosis
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@aravosis
Why hasn’t the White House been forced to comment on this? Bannon hired Milo at Breitbart.
raven
@Steve in the ATL:
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Corner Stone: not a few political commentators have used bizarre sartorial affectations to heighten their profile, from GWill’s bowtie and pretending to be flummoxed by “dungarees” to the subject of the previous post. Ann Coulter, a pre-MErcer Kellyanne Conway (once described by I forget who as a “rightwing Judy Jetson”), Cornel West, Tucker Carlson.
But compare the NYT thumbsucker about Trump supporters to this by Weigel and his co-writer, as pointe out by Charlie Pierce today
Mnemosyne
@debbie:
If Trump is going to pick fights with China, then OBVIOUSLY it’s a great idea to get rid of West Coast military bases. We can bring ships in from Texas and Florida, right?
(Note: I’m snarking off the cuff and have no actual information.)
Adam L Silverman
@hovercraft: I saw that. If you had a 144 Senators Santorum you’d have gross stupidity. Also, a gross Santorum (ewwww!).
Corner Stone
@rikyrah: I am going to give every penny I can to whatever D runs against Ernst.
Mnemosyne
@Ruckus:
Stay bundled up! The flu is no fun, and it can kill you if you aren’t careful. Food delivery services like Eat24 and GrubHub are your friends right now.
Roger Moore
@Adam L Silverman:
Not all of them. Some of them can probably be confident it won’t hurt their district because their local base is too important. It’s hard to imagine closing Pearl Harbor, for instance. Others- especially in some big city blue districts- might not be too worried because there aren’t any bases left.
rikyrah
Video of Maxine Waters tonight on Chris Hayes.
what lies did she tell?
raven
@Mnemosyne: Rocky Point, we built a highway from Phoenix and Tucson to use the Sea of Cortez as a water escape route if Tojo invaded the coast!
Another Scott
@Pogonip: MilitaryTimes from April 2016:
It’s extremely difficult for a functional Congress to do a sensible BRAC. It’s hard to believe a Teabagger Congress is going to even attempt it.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@Corner Stone: He’s looked like that for several years. I think the appropriate remark here is: “Thanks Obama!”
rikyrah
WHO thought that this was ‘natural causes’?
NYC medical examiner says more study needed in death of Russian diplomat
February 21, 2017
The cause and manner of death of Russia’s ambassador to the United Nations needs to be studied further, the city medical examiner said Tuesday, a day after the diplomat fell ill at his office at Russia’s U.N. mission and died at a hospital.
Further study usually includes toxicology and other screenings, which can take weeks. The case was referred to the medical examiner’s office by the hospital.
raven
@Another Scott: Fucking Dobbins needs to go!
Randy Khan
@efgoldman:
Virginia. Blue in the last 3 Presidential elections, Dems as governor, both Senators, and House members in the districts most likely to be affected.
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: Apparently a significant number of Iowans stripped a fair amount of bark off of Senator Grassley today as well based on the video I saw.
Mnemosyne
@rikyrah:
Isn’t he the second Russian diplomat to die in New York? IIRC, another one died mysteriously pretty soon after the election.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think it’s working…
Steve in the ATL
@raven: ah yes–the ironically named Normaltown! Good times at Allen’s back in the day.
Corner Stone
@Adam L Silverman: No, he added 30 pounds and that horrible mustache a year or so ago. But that emo curly hair flip is new.
He looks even more ridiculous than I could remember. He looks like a character from Hansel und Gretel or maybe one of the sons of the rich Russian oligarch in the movie 2012.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: I can’t believe I”m saying something almost sorta kinda supportive of Grassley, whom I despise, but this was interesting
raven
@Steve in the ATL: Have you been over here lately? Normaltown has come alive with a Mexican eatery and grocery store, a cool pizza place where Papa John’s was, and several hipster bars. Downtown is a pain in the ass. Allen’s was torn down and it’s been a hole in the ground for over two years.
rikyrah
Luvvie is back…and commenting on Milo..
About Milo Yiannopoulos Being Trash and Lines Not to Cross
Awesomely Luvvie — February 21, 2017
Let me start this off by saying that Milo Yiannopoulos is trash. You might be asking “who the hell is this Milo dude?” He is garbage in human form. He is a retch and walking, talking upchuck. In fact, here’s a portrait:
Milo is a vile, racist, sexist, transphobic, DECENCYphobic dudebro who writes for Breitbart. And he makes more than enough anti-gay statements, even though he’s gay himself. Uncle Ruckus face ass. Self-hate is a summagoat. He is Darth Chad (word to Very Smart Brothas). He is so awful that he’s been banned from Twitter (the land where trolls go to get air). One of his crimes? Leading the charge and inciting the drudge of the internet to torment Leslie Jones when the remake of Ghostbusters came out. He’s just a terrible human being and he deserves nothing good.
But because he’s a white man, all he gets is flourish. The dude gets all types of press, gets paid hella money to speak, and even got a book deal for $250,000 from Simon & Schuster. That very book deal made Roxane Gay pull her book from her S&S imprint, having been a target of one of Milo’s harassment. He’s been getting rewarded for being a vile piece of shit for a long time. Soooooo: white history in a sentence.
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Today, audio of a podcast that he recorded came out. There, he talked about how sexual relationships between young boys and older men might provide them with love and safety and security. Basically, HIGH FIVE PEDOPHILIA. And then all hell broke loose for Milo. The Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) took back their invitation for him to keynote their conference. ANDDDDDD Simon & Schuster dropped his book, rescinding his deal.
That parasite got his beloved book deal snatched! YAY. It’s just a shame that it took pedophilia for Milo to lose his deal. Like… bruh. This dude BEEN on boolsheet. Only NOW is he outta line? NOW is when he’s done too much? NOW is when people can no longer stand with him? Pedophilia should not be the only line folks need to cross before they start losing at life and losing their livelihood. There’s a lot in between “good person” and “sexual desire in an adult for a child” that should warrant someone being punished in society. Maybe there is, but if you’re a white man, you have more leeway.
MomSense
@rikyrah:
I love her.
burnspbesq
@efgoldman:
Joint Base Lewis McChord, WA
Joint Base Dover, DE
Joint Base Dix McGuire, NJ
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: The other one was in DC. Found dead in his hotel room. Blunt force trauma to the head.
MomSense
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It was quite a town hall. Republicans were speaking in favor of ObamaCare.
repealing ACA is the real death panel
MP
@raven: I’m not so sure about that. Atlanta hasn’t been torched since Dobbins has been around.
geg6
@rikyrah:
Luvvie speaks truth.
Iowa Old Lady
@rikyrah: Tonight I also saw the first online interview of a D gubernatorial candidate. Current gov Branstad is going to China as ambassador and Lt Gov will act in his place. The election is not until 2018.
Adam L Silverman
@Corner Stone: Well who was President a year or so ago?
MomSense
@Mnemosyne:
I think we are up to six or seven connected with 45/Russia.
SFAW
@Another Scott:
You seem to be assuming that the RWNJs in Congress care about “sensible.” Any excuse to get their hate on is A-OK by them.
I hadn’t really thought of you as being naive, until now.
Steve in the ATL
@MP: didn’t Fort McPherson close a few years ago?
rikyrah
Luvvie cracks me up..
I’m YoungOld and So Are You
Awesomely Luvvie — February 20, 2017
One of my favorite people, Samantha Irby, always talks about how old she is. Last week was her birthday, so in honor of the day the world got slightly less shitty, I had to tell people how old I am. I’m “If I wear heels out in public, I got a pair of flats in my bag” years old. I don’t have time for discomfort and the way my don’t give a fuck is set up, I’ll switch to those flats in a hot second.
I’m “Golden Girls is now on Hulu and that news made me squeal” years old.
Anywho, I dropped this on my Awesomely Luvvie FB page, and LuvvNation showed out talmbout how old they are too.
…………………….
Some of the funniest ones:
LaQuita: I’m “once I take this bra off, I’m not going back out” years old.
Erin: I’m “WHY is the music so loud in this bar?!” years old.
Amber: I feel you. I’m the “Why is the music so loud in Target?” old.
Ebony: I am “peering out the blinds with the stank eye at the neighborhood kids walking on my grass” years old. I’m about 6 months away from standing in the doorway shaking my fist
Dee: I’m “cut the fan on by my side the bed because I can’t sleep when I’m hot, I got everything in my purse from a bottle of honey, tweezers, flashlight, to a sewing kit, plus a notepad to jot down stuff I might forget, keep my drivers license and insurance card in my pocket in case my purse is stolen” years old.
Sarah: Old enough to give a woman an honest answer if she asks me if she looks fat. NOT PLAYING WITH YOUR FEELINGS, JESSICA.
Donna: I’m if it starts after 7:30 I can’t make it years old. Bedtime is 8 pm. No weekend exceptions. No emergency exceptions. So even if you’re in the ER make it before 7:30 or I can’t make it.
LOL…..
Only a sample of the comments….
burnspbesq
@debbie:
Rohrbacher is our problem here in OC. The big facility in his district is Naval Weapons Station Seal Beach, which is widely rumored to house nukes.
Cleaned up and zoned residential, that land is probably worth well over a billion. Wanna bet it gets auctioned off and sold to The Trump Organization for $17.5 million?
dm
@Mnemosyne: That would be Krivov. Check out the Buzzfeed link mentioned below.
Reposting from the comments in Adam’s “Resources” post last night (now with correct spelling for Malanin’s name):
(This was in response to a tweet that also mentioned Yves Chandelon, a Belgian, not a Russian. NATO Auditor General, possibly a suicide, but Chandelon had mentioned to his colleagues that he thought he had been followed; despite owning three registered guns, the gun that killed him was unregistered. It’s not clear to me why people think this case is associated to “the dossier”. He was in charge of counterterrorism funding. Died 24 December.)
Since there was speculation that these deaths were all associated with “the dossier”:
Christopher Steele, the author of “the dossier” fled into hiding a few days after the dossier became public. I tend to assume that he would have fled sooner if his informants were all dying.
Steve in the ATL
@raven:
obviously not, or I would have shown up at your house for a cookout. And a dog parade organizing committee meeting.
GregB
@Corner Stone:
Weigel is preparing for a bit acting part in Boogie Nights 2.
MP
@Steve in the ATL: Yep, and they’re in the process of redeveloping.
SFAW
@MomSense:
That we know of, that is.
Corner Stone
@Adam L Silverman: Trump. It’s always been Dear Leader Trump.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@GregB: I know he wrote and is about to release a book on prog rock. I don’t know if the new look is related, cause I’m not entirely sure what “prog rock” is. Yes? ELP? Rush?
Steve in the ATL
@MP: I wish they would close the base down at Warner Robins. That area would suddenly be much, much bluer.
raven
@Steve in the ATL: Yea, Tyler Perry bought it.
SFAW
@dm:
As Ian Fleming said: “Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, seven (and counting) times is enemy action.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Yes, Yes, I would say no.
efgoldman
@rikyrah:
According to CBS, even not-too-Breitshit fired him, too.
Glad to know some fucking thing – anything – is a bridge too far even for the world’s worst assholes.
efgoldman
@burnspbesq:
Dix was half-abandoned when my reserve unit went there for our two weeks, in the early 70s. Did they revive it?
Another Scott
@SFAW: If BRAC is to be bi-partisan (as it was in the past), then it’s hard to see this Congress attempting it.
The last BRAC was in 2005.
Donnie talking about sending troops to Syria and who knows where else means that any talk about reducing bases overseas is a pipe-dream as well.
It takes much more than having the majority to make BRAC happen, and it’s about much more than “punishing Democrats” as appealing as that reasoning might be. Congressmen and women, on both sides of the aisle, really don’t like cutting DoD facilities in their states and districts.
Congress has made it much more difficult than it should be going forward. I don’t see it happening anytime soon, and that’s a bad thing.
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: He claims he’s here on an O1B Visa. If he doesn’t get hired by another American company he has to go home to Britain.
MP
@Steve in the ATL: That’s true, but I’d be a bit nostalgic since I was born on the base.
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: Yes. Among other things it is used as a smaller, East Coast Continental Redeployment Center. The primary is at Benning, but Dix-McGuire is also used for this too.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: I am generally pro-immigration, but I really don’t think we need to be importing assholes at present.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: I mustered out at Dix in ’92.
joel hanes
@Ruckus:
paid me about 1/8 of what I made working at the time
IIRC, I made $115/month as an E1 in 1972, and about $300/month as an Army SP4 in 1974.
Of course, there was all that free food in the mess hall …
Omnes Omnibus
@joel hanes: I don’t recall what my base pay was and I was years later.
raven
@joel hanes: Sheeet, I got $140 a month as an E-4 in the Nam with HFP!
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: You got beaucoup LT!
raven
And we got this funny money shit!
raven
And we got this funny money shit!
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: Quite honestly, that is probably why I don’t remember. It wasn’t an issue.
raven
And we got this funny money shit!
Seth Owen
@efgoldman: Hardly much left in blue states now, except navy installations (that whole ‘coastal’ thing) and the Navy says ‘we’re good.’ I think the Army and Air Force said they have some over capacity though.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: I can’t figure out how he qualified for an O1B. That said, I am in complete agreement. His Visa is a work visa. He is now unemployed. He has admitted being in the vicinity of sexual assaults against minors. He is clearly a danger to the public and should be rounded up and deported forthwith.
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: We’d borrow 5 and pay back 10 on payday to the married guys who was frugal.
joel hanes
@Iowa Old Lady:
Branstad is going to China as ambassador
Talk about being in over your head !
Branstad is such a lightweight that he makes Ernst look thoughtful by comparison.
joel hanes
@raven:
Yeah, my Army pay was a considerable boost from that prevailing just a few years earlier.
In my summer job before getting drafted (heavy labor at a cement plant), I made $5/hour, so about $825 / month.
And the Army wasn’t exactly a job with 40-hour workweeks.
raven
@joel hanes: It’s like the GI Bill, when I got out in 69 I got the same amount as my old man did after WW2. Two years later it was a good bit more.
Amanda in the South Bay
The only active duty installation in California represented by a Democrat that I know of off the top of my head is the Presidio of Monterey (where I spent some time). Lets see how much CA GOP reps bitch about this.
Also Fairchild AFB in Spokane is, (I presume) represented by a Republican.
joel hanes
@Omnes Omnibus:
I mustered out at Dix in 1975.
Spent my last duty day in the Army, at Dix, in fatigues, digging deep postholes, by hand, with that double-handled torture device called a posthole-digger — apparently the fort needed a really bombproof backstop for the baseball diamond.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: I got $350 a month on the Montgomery GI Bill while I was in law school in the ’90s. It did pay the rent at my POS apartment, but nothing more.
Anne Laurie
@Adam L Silverman: Also, in NYC, Sergei Krivov. Per Buzzfeed, from November: “The Strange Case Of The Russian Diplomat Who Got His Head Smashed In On Election Day — How did Sergei Krivov die? And why did the NYPD close the case? “
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: Did you get tuition help? I got free tuition from the State of Illinois on account of saving them from Charlie.
eta
Oh, Montgomery, that was matching, right?
Amanda in the South Bay
@Seth Owen: In CA there aren’t a lot of USAF and Army installations left that aren’t located in or near Dem cities.
Omnes Omnibus
@joel hanes: I flew in from Germany, spent the night in a BOQ, and found myself at JFK later the next day.
hovercraft
@Adam L Silverman:
Why do you hate gay people Adam? You people are all hypocrites, always preaching tolerance and yet you are the most intolerant people ever. Poor was just exercising his free speech rights.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: I paid in $100 a month and got $350 a month back. No tuition help. If I were to go back to school a UW school, I would get free tuition under the WI GI Bill. It didn’t exist when I was in law school.
Adam L Silverman
@Amanda in the South Bay: It won’t be closed. Among other things the Naval Postgrad School and the Defense Language Institute are part of the Presidio Garrison at Monterrey. Also, for full disclosure: the garrison commander is my former student.
Adam L Silverman
@Anne Laurie: My bad, for some reason I thought he was in DC.
Adam L Silverman
@hovercraft: ?
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: I got offered DLI to learn Turkish, if I would volunteer to go to a Pershing base in Turkey. They would not offer it in writing, so I stayed with cannons and Germany.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Since you could get Donner Kebabs in Germany it was just like being in Turkey anyway.//
Lapassionara
@raven: and we drove that highway many times when we lived in Tucson, in our youth. So glad it was there.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Mmmmmm…. Doner kebabs.
Since they wouldn’t give me DLI in writing, I had strong suspicions that I would be sent to the middle of nowhere Turkey win no ability to communicate with local goatherders’ daughters.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, now I’m hungry too.
As for DLI, if it wasn’t in writing you are most likely correct.
Amanda in the South Bay
@Adam L Silverman: When I was there, the garrison commander signed off on the paperwork saying I was being discharged for coming out as trans.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amanda in the South Bay: Did that affect the nature of your discharge? I would hope not, but…
Amanda in the South Bay
@Omnes Omnibus: Should’ve rolled those dice. DLI as an officer has to be one of the sweetest gigs in the universe.
Amanda in the South Bay
@Omnes Omnibus: Nope, having a relatively enlightened chain of command helped, and not being a fuckup generally.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amanda in the South Bay: Germany worked out okay. I ski. I also could speak some German, so communicating with the local goatherders’ daughters wasn’t an issue. Hey, I was in my early 20s!
@Amanda in the South Bay: That is good to hear.
Adam L Silverman
@Amanda in the South Bay: Good.
Anne Laurie
@Adam L Silverman: IIRC, the DC attache got his head bashed in last summer — pre-Trump.
Adam L Silverman
@Anne Laurie: That may be what I was remembering. Can’t tell the checkists from the apparatchiks without a scorecard!
KS in MA
@eyelessgame: Well said.
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
In the 70s I got $180/month but if I remember correctly there was a limit on the duration, I think it was 4 yrs. And yes that paid for my apt. So really I only had to work for food and books. My neighbor, who put himself through college and law school did it by playing the ponies. He made more than I did.
Peter VE
Every time I see that photo, I always wonder what the Moran Shipping Agencies have ever done to him.