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Paging Abe Foxman

by John Cole|  November 17, 20129:21 pm| 76 Comments

This post is in: Assholes, Our Failed Media Experiment, Sociopaths

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This is straight up anti-Semitism:

Aside from being utter nonsense, this is akin to claiming Jews run the banking system. One of you all will have to follow this degenerate scumbags twitter feed to see if he starts quoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

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  1. 1.

    jl

    November 17, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Why are Aussie billionaire magnates such jackasses?

    Edit: I don’t mean to pry, but previous post brought to mind question of whether Cole ever cooked while naked.

    Edit edit: sorry, penultimate previous post. Somebody is stepping on their own posts.

  2. 2.

    Jewish Steel

    November 17, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    To be fair, this commenting juggernaut is entirely J owned and operated.

  3. 3.

    redshirt

    November 17, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    What is “the Jewish owned press”?

    As opposed to the partially Saudi owned Fox, yeah?

  4. 4.

    mark

    November 17, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    A RW Catholic is an antisemite? Has that ever happened in history?

  5. 5.

    ottercliff

    November 17, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Shut up you fat, bigoted, evil bloviator. Your publishing network is bottom of the pond biology in action.

  6. 6.

    Hypatia's Momma

    November 17, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    If by “Jewish owned press” he means “newspapers (tv/radio) published by Jews in Israel”, then it’s probable that Mr. Murdoch simply doesn’t recognise a truly Free Press when he sees one. Which isn’t surprising.

  7. 7.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 17, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    @ottercliff: Hold on just a second. I don’t think you can fairly call Rupert fat.

  8. 8.

    redshirt

    November 17, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Seriously. I find it hilarious/puzzling that the second largest shareholder at NewsCorpse is Saudi royalty. Talk about gaming the system.

  9. 9.

    Mark S.

    November 17, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Wow, usually saying something that anti-Semitic would turn the mainstream media against you, but Rupert pays half of these assholes’ salaries, so I’m not gonna hold my breath.

  10. 10.

    Howard Beale IV

    November 17, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Rupert left off a prefix in his tweet: he forgot the word(s) ‘non-zionist’ before the word Jewish.

  11. 11.

    Biff Longbotham

    November 17, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    if he starts quoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

    Nah, that would be the full monty example of bigotry. He has lots of ways of saying “Christ killers!!” more subtly.

  12. 12.

    cathyx

    November 17, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    What newspaper(s) is he referring to?

  13. 13.

    Anton Sirius

    November 17, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    What do you expect the Sausage King of Chicago to do about…

    Oh, FOXman. Sorry. My bad.

  14. 14.

    scav

    November 17, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Yes, Rupie dearest, let’s discuss how you and you beloved son are firmly in control of, aware of and approve what each and every paper you own opines about and reports on in all their methods and technicalities and splendor and factual glory. Would you like some pie afterwards Rupie or are you full up?

    Biggest future possible conumdrum: Rupie and Thatcher die on the same day. decisions, decision — as even with copious amounts of beer there is only so much throughput.

  15. 15.

    Chris

    November 17, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Fucking Rupert Murdoch.

    I can’t believe this guy actually inspired a Bond villain. The villain was equally evil yet so much cooler than the real thing.

  16. 16.

    cathyx

    November 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    @Chris: He’s ugly enough to be a villain.

  17. 17.

    akaka

    November 17, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Um, I think he is trying to accuse NYT of beibg a liberal pro-Palesrinian rag.

  18. 18.

    SRW1

    November 17, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    I am starting to think somebody must have invented a dumbray weapon that can be tuned to selectively hit conservatives and that somebody is blasting Fox at max setting.

  19. 19.

    beltane

    November 17, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    The most likely response from Abe Foxman will be to partially concur with Rupert Murdoch, excoriating these imaginary media moguls for being self-hating Jews. Or maybe I have become too cynical.

  20. 20.

    Roger Moore

    November 17, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    @SRW1:
    I’ve they’ve created a dumb-ray, the more likely explanation is that it turns people into Conservatives.

  21. 21.

    DH

    November 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    As a reader of the Ny Times and, unfortunately, the Washington Post, I can assure Murdoch they are not anti-Israel. Heck, Ethan Bronner of the Times has a son in the Israeli Army, or at least he used to( by the way, for that reason, he shouldn’t be covering the Middle East, but I digress). Murdoch is just hoping he can get readers for his NY Post, which is truly a right wing rag of the worst sort-Nepotism J. Pod, anyone?

    Fuck off Rupert

  22. 22.

    Keith G

    November 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Maybe it’s that I had several too many pints while watching a few games, but how is the quote in question showing “hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group”.

    I would not be surprised if RM is antisemitic since he seems to be completely objectionable in so many ways, but I don’t see this statement as prima facie evidence of antisemitism

    edit

  23. 23.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 17, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    You guys seem to have focused on the Jewish-owned press bullshit. But what about the anti-Israel bullshit? Is there a single media outlet that ever sides with the Palestinians?

  24. 24.

    John T

    November 17, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    There’s an add-on for Firefox and Chrome browsers called Murdoch Block. Should you inadvertently click on a link to Fox News or to the Daily Mail (or one of many other propaganda outlets owned by NewsCorp) it will prevent your browser from loading the page and driving up their pageview count and ad revenues.

  25. 25.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 17, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    @Keith G: Um, “Jewish-owned press.” I.e., Jews control the media.

  26. 26.

    Alison

    November 17, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    If Jews really were as powerful as people seem to think we are, I wouldn’t have such a damn hard time finding Hanukkah candles in my town. It’s the Bay Area, FFS.

  27. 27.

    kindness

    November 17, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    But it is true to Murdoch’s principles. Win or leave your opposition a burning wreckage and if you can light the fire and then point at your opponent all the better.

  28. 28.

    El Cid

    November 17, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    This is the equivalent of when right wingers scream that any publication or broadcast is somehow not 100% absolute through and through raging ultra-right wing, it’s “liberal”.

    For the New York Times to cover everything through the lens of Israeli “security”, but to occasionally mention that Palestinians are humans and it’s something other than optimum to kill lots of them, well, that’s “anti-Israel”.

  29. 29.

    Poopyman

    November 17, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Is there a single media outlet that ever sides with the Palestinians?

    Al Jazeera maybe, in the sense that they seem to be on the side of the injured and killed children and women non-combatants.

  30. 30.

    Southern Beale

    November 17, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    Well, according to this Rupert Murdoch is “technically” Jewish on his mother’s side. So I guess this makes him part of the “Jewish-owned press.”

  31. 31.

    Alison

    November 17, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    @Southern Beale: UGH, that’s worse than Cantor.

    (BTW, if the Jewish ancestry is on the mother’s side, there’s no “technically” about it – if your mom is Jewish, you are, whether you practice or not, call yourself a Jew or not, etc. Not that I *want* him in the tribe, but just saying…)

  32. 32.

    The Pale Scot

    November 17, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Well, by jewish law/tradition? Rups is jewish, his momma was and he used her family’s nut to start his business career in publishing.

  33. 33.

    The Pale Scot

    November 17, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Opps!, Ms.B beat me to it.

  34. 34.

    DPS

    November 17, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Technically, when you’re trying to shout down opposition to Likud policies, it is by definition impossible for anything you say to be anti-Semitic.

    For instance, “Jews killed God and eat gentile babies and are running a secret world government while sitting in bathtubs full of money, now leave Bibi alone!!!” is not an anti-Semitic statement. A lot of people wouldn’t realize that.

  35. 35.

    TexasMango

    November 17, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    I’m sure Bill Kristol will resign from FOX in protest.

    //

  36. 36.

    LCaution

    November 17, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    I think it can be read 3 ways.
    1. Your interpretation.
    2. Israel’s acts so despicable, even the press owned by Jews opposes them.
    3. Ironic. Haven’t you anti-Semites who believe the media is owned by Jews asked yourselves why, if that is the case, there is no support for Israel’s policies.

    I don’t know Murdoch except for his media empire so I have no idea which interpretation is correct but tone is hard to convey in 140 characters. And I have no idea what prompted that particular tweet.

  37. 37.

    Redhand

    November 17, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    It seems to me that the tags to John’s post offer an apt commentary all their own: “Posted in Assholes, Our Failed Media Experiment, Sociopaths.”

  38. 38.

    Roy G.

    November 17, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    One irony is that while dumbasses like David Gregory proclaim that Bibi Netenyahoo is the ‘leader of the Jewish people,’ results show that a large majority of American Jews voted for Obama, against Bibi’s wishes. Not only that, but a large percentage of them don’t want anything to do with the Zionist project and ‘greater’ Israel.

    What’s worse than being called an anti-semite? Being called a ‘self-hating Jew.’ As I recall, there was even a Holocaust survivor or two in CA who were spit on for supporting the Mavi Mamara and the fight against the Israeli blockade around the Gaza Ghetto.

  39. 39.

    Bruce S

    November 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    You don’t have to quote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion when you’ve got a media empire that’s aka The Protocols of the Elders of Crazytown.

  40. 40.

    Bruce S

    November 17, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    “Is there a single media outlet that ever sides with the Palestinians?”

    Uh…Democracy Now!?!?!? Actually, Haaretz is more balanced than the US mass media on Palestinian issues.

  41. 41.

    beltane

    November 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    @Bruce S: Protocols of the Elders of Crazytown is a good one, much better than Jon Stewart’s “Bullshit Mountain”.

  42. 42.

    Keith G

    November 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: I guess that is a view. Earlier in the day I was scanning actually Jewish owned publications that were less than enthusiastic about IDF actions, some downright critical.

    I was supposing they were the focus.

  43. 43.

    Howard Beale IV

    November 17, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    I am stunned that Rupert hasn’t called the WSJ editor on the carpet for this tasty morsel:

    Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor’s bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile’s trajectory back to an “enormous, stupid mistake” made 30 years ago.

    “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel’s destruction. Instead of trying to curb Gaza’s Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with “Yassins,” primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric.

    Last Saturday, after 22 days of war, Israel announced a halt to the offensive. The assault was aimed at stopping Hamas rockets from falling on Israel. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert hailed a “determined and successful military operation.” More than 1,200 Palestinians had died. Thirteen Israelis were also killed.

    Hamas responded the next day by lobbing five rockets towards the Israeli town of Sderot, a few miles down the road from Moshav Tekuma, the farming village where Mr. Cohen lives. Hamas then announced its own cease-fire.

    Since then, Hamas leaders have emerged from hiding and reasserted their control over Gaza. Egyptian-mediated talks aimed at a more durable truce are expected to start this weekend. President Barack Obama said this week that lasting calm “requires more than a long cease-fire” and depends on Israel and a future Palestinian state “living side by side in peace and security.”

  44. 44.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 17, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    The Jews do not dominate the banking system.

    Asshole WASPs do. It’s in the interest of asshole WASPs to keep the peasants focused on the Christ-Killers as the ones running the banking system, though.

    It amazes me that Murdoch, who owns a bunch of press, isn’t Jewish himself.

  45. 45.

    ? Martin

    November 17, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    @cathyx: The Joo York Times

  46. 46.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 17, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    @Roy G.:

    Holocaust survivors have seen the results of Israel’s Gaza policy up close.

  47. 47.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 17, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    Murdoch’s mother was a Jew?

    That makes Murdoch a Jew, by tradition. Because matrilineal descent is kinda needed when you’re being raped by Cossacks repeatedly.

  48. 48.

    Keith G

    November 17, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    Anyway, Murdock is a side show…who cares? Fuck him.

    What I find interesting is that Iran is openly the supply source of the rockets used by Hamas to attack Israel. Even though Israel’s action toward Gaza has been fought with stupidity and ill motives, doesn’t Israel have a clear and unobjectionable right to attack Iran in self defense?

  49. 49.

    some guy

    November 17, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    @Roy G.:

    As I recall, there was even a Holocaust survivor or two in CA who were spit on for supporting the Mavi Mamara and the fight against the Israeli blockade around the Gaza Ghetto.

    Her name is Hedy Epstein

  50. 50.

    some guy

    November 17, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    @Keith G:

    have you been promoted to “Research Officer” yet?

  51. 51.

    Keith G

    November 17, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    @some guy: It’s late. You’ve lost me.

  52. 52.

    SatanicPanic

    November 17, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Maybe he’s being ironic. Even if he’s not, it’s not like his media empire doesn’t say worse stuff every damn day. I would expect nothing less from the head guy.

  53. 53.

    Peter Murphy

    November 17, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Not his mother, Dame Elisabeth Murdoch, (still kicking around at 103), but supposedly his dad’s dad’s mum.

    I’m a little surprised, because his father, Keith Murdoch (the first ‘dad’, and thus supposedly at least one quarter Jewish) tried to get Australia’s first ever Jewish general – Sir John Monash – deposed from his post. Not for incompetence – Sir John would probably be one of the few competent generals of WWI – but for racial reasons.

    Charles Bean, the official Australian war historian, noted that Monash was more effective the higher he rose within the Army, where he had greater capacity to use his skill for meticulous planning and organisation, and to innovate in the area of technology and tactics.[12] Bean had been no great admirer of Monash in his early career, in part due to a general prejudice against Monash’s Prussian-Jewish background, but more particularly because Monash did not fit Bean’s concept of the quintessential Australian character that Bean was in the process of mythologising in his monumental work Australia in the War of 1914-1918. (Both Bean and Monash, however, having seen the very worst excesses of British military doctrines and the waste of life on the Western Front, were determined that the role of the commander was to look after, and protect as far as possible, the troops under their command.) Bean, who wrote in his diary of Monash “We do not want Australia represented by men mainly because of their ability, natural and inborn in Jews, to push themselves”,[13] conspired with Keith Murdoch to undermine Monash, and have him removed from the command of the Australian Corps. They misled Prime Minister Billy Hughes into believing that senior officers were opposed to Monash.[14] Hughes arrived at the front before the Battle of Hamel prepared to replace Monash, but after consulting with senior officers, and after seeing the superb power of planning and execution displayed by Monash, he changed his mind.

  54. 54.

    catclub

    November 17, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    So Sheldon Adelson, is jewish, and owns a newspaper in Israel.
    So this is aimed at him. Huh! I am a bit surprised.

  55. 55.

    Full Metal Wingnut

    November 17, 2012 at 11:49 pm

    The press? Anti-Israel? Why didn’t anyone tell me about Opposite Day!

  56. 56.

    Howard Beale IV

    November 17, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    @Keith G: Israel has the right to respond to an initial Iranian attack. But Iran has not preemptively attacked Israel now has it? And some can argue that Fatah is responding to illegal Isreali actions in the Gaza strip. Now if you want to make the case that Fatah is Iran’s proxy, then by extention you would also have to agree that Israel is a proxy for the US (although I think its really the other way around i.e., the US is Israel’s bitch, much like GOP congressmen are Grover Norquist’s bitches-but I digress….)

  57. 57.

    ? Martin

    November 18, 2012 at 12:03 am

    @Keith G:

    Even though Israel’s action toward Gaza has been fought with stupidity and ill motives, doesn’t Israel have a clear and unobjectionable right to attack Iran in self defense?

    No. We supply weapons to damn near everyone on earth.

    I’m not saying that’s a great thing, but that’s the convention. Doesn’t mean Israel can’t be pissed at Iran though. Also doesn’t mean the rest of the world can’t be pissed at us.

  58. 58.

    aussie sheila

    November 18, 2012 at 12:04 am

    aussie billionaires are less numerous than their US counterparts, but are indeed, assholes. Perhaps because in this country extremely wealthy people garner less deference and more overall hostility here than in the US, and so they feel a little ‘unloved’ :).

    I believe I speak for 99.9% of australians when I say that we are glad he has renounced his australian citizenship, because that means that we don’t have to explain or apologise! He is widely despised in his country of birth, both for his politics, and for the fact that he renounced his citizenship simply in order to make more money. HIs son has been an utter failure as a media mogul wannabee in ozland, and his flagship newspaper here, The Australian, is a loss making vanity enterprise appealing to rich, cranky, old, white men.

    I would just love for the US media to go after him and have a very close look at the corproate governance of his flagship company.

    Rupert Murdoch? Your welcome-sorry for the worst export australia has ever made to the US-but better you than us!

  59. 59.

    redshirt

    November 18, 2012 at 12:08 am

    @aussie sheila: I don’t know. Yahoo Serious?

  60. 60.

    Tim C.

    November 18, 2012 at 12:26 am

    @redshirt: @redshirt:

    Okay… I was in middle school I admit, but I kinda liked Yahoo Serious. Splitting the beer atom? Come on… it was a little funny.

  61. 61.

    Chris

    November 18, 2012 at 12:47 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    As I recall, Asshole WASPs actively colluded to keep the Jews out of banking back in the day, during the height of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion type craze. (Even as assholes blamed the Jews for banking crises).

  62. 62.

    Suffern ACE

    November 18, 2012 at 1:12 am

    @aussie sheila: the media will never go after him. He pushes back hard.

    Anyway, it’s just a shrewd business move pretending that the New York Times isn’t sufficiently pro Israeli so you got to get your news from the one true channel.

  63. 63.

    dedc79

    November 18, 2012 at 1:30 am

    isn’t he just saying that the press is not jewish-owned?

  64. 64.

    redshirt

    November 18, 2012 at 1:33 am

    @Tim C.: “Yahoo Serious Film Festival?”

    Top Ten Australian exports:

    10. That weird rain stick
    9. Kangaroos and Joeies.
    8. Midnight Oil
    7. Feral child from The Road Warrior who threw the razor boomerang
    6. Russel Crowe
    5. Crocodile Hunter
    4. Mohawk dude from The Road Warrior
    3. Crocodile Dundee
    2. Mel Gibson
    1. Shrimp on barbie

  65. 65.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 18, 2012 at 1:36 am

    @redshirt: 0. Didgeridoos.

  66. 66.

    CW in LA

    November 18, 2012 at 1:38 am

    @FlipYrWhig: Didgeridoos rule. The rest… meh.

  67. 67.

    redshirt

    November 18, 2012 at 1:38 am

    I kid, because I love Australia. AC/DC is a national treasure.

  68. 68.

    LD50

    November 18, 2012 at 3:09 am

    @Keith G: Well, Netanyahu was counting on President Romney to do that.

  69. 69.

    Keith G

    November 18, 2012 at 5:02 am

    @? Martin: @Howard Beale IV:
    Is it that clear cut?

    Hamas is a non-state actor whose purposeful actions (attacking the state of Israel with rockets) take the lives of Israeli citizens.

    Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

    Iran is purposefully supplying Hamas with the military weaponry that Hamas uses to attack Israel and kill Israeli citizens.

    Was the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2002 a just and legal action?

    Does Israel has the right to use military action against Iran?

  70. 70.

    Steve Crickmore

    November 18, 2012 at 6:10 am

    The Interior Minister of Israel, Eli Yishal admits, the real reason for Israel’s operation in Gaza…”The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages (and acquire more land). Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.” an operation with the encouragement, wink, nod and heavy, military and financial support of the winner of the Nobel Peace prize of 2009. There is your cynicism for you. Yes, Obama, according to the White House press secretary, has “urged Prime Minister Netanyahu to make every effort to avoid civilian casualties.”…. well, every effort, except firing a ton of missiles into cities and crowded refugee camps.

  71. 71.

    Donald

    November 18, 2012 at 9:00 am

    @Keith G:

    You really want to go there? Israel or the US or somebody has been assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists. The US supplies Israel with weapons it has used on civilians and supports Israel as it expands its settlements, a policy which amounts to apartheid in the West Bank. Most of the civilians who’ve died over the years in the I/P conflict have been Palestinians killed by Israelis, sometimes with US weapons.

    And as Martin said, we’ve supplied weapons to groups all over the world in the past several decades, often used to kill civilians. I really don’t get this–do you think that the logic you apply to justify an Israeli attack on Iran couldn’t be used to justify an attack on the US? Some Americans are utterly inconsistent on this. Most often they tend to vote Republican, but there seem to be quite a few who are Democrats.

  72. 72.

    Donald

    November 18, 2012 at 9:00 am

    @Keith G:

    You really want to go there? Israel or the US or somebody has been assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists. The US supplies Israel with weapons it has used on civilians and supports Israel as it expands its settlements, a policy which amounts to apartheid in the West Bank. Most of the civilians who’ve died over the years in the I/P conflict have been Palestinians killed by Israelis, sometimes with US weapons.

    And as Martin said, we’ve supplied weapons to groups all over the world in the past several decades, often used to kill civilians. I really don’t get this–do you think that the logic you apply to justify an Israeli attack on Iran couldn’t be used to justify an attack on the US? Some Americans are utterly inconsistent on this. Most often they tend to vote Republican, but there seem to be quite a few who are Democrats.

  73. 73.

    Viva BrisVegas

    November 18, 2012 at 9:51 am

    @redshirt:

    AC/DC is a national treasure.

    Acka Dacka died in 1980.

    And just because it can’t be said often enough, Rupert Murdoch is a United States citizen.

    As to whether he is any more Jewish than the rest of us gentiles, I would say it is extremely unlikely. His father was Keith Murdoch, a pillar of the WASP establishment. Both of Keith’s grandfathers and his father were Presbyterian/Church of Scotland ministers.

    His mother is still going strong at 104, so that should give you an idea of how long Rupert is likely to be around.

    Enjoy Rupert while you can, he’s all yours.

  74. 74.

    LanceThruster

    November 18, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Commented at Mondoweiss was this. Seems to make sense as Israel has been shown to play fast and loose with the facts time and again. I remember seeing an official Israeli photo of “Palestinian” militants carrying out a rocket attack. They were like ten feet from the chain link fence between armed guard towers in addition to the remote control machine guns placed at key location, yet this team of rocket launchers looked as if they might as well have been laying out a picnic blanket in the park.

    SimoHurtta says:
    November 17, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Israel claims constantly Hamas firing Fajr-3 and Fajr-5 artillery rockets. Both are very long (5 – 7 meters) and heavy (400 – 900 kg) artillery rockets. To put these rockets to a firing position demands manpower, machines and special launching platforms. They are not like these light and mobile Qassams which can be moved by a couple a men, do not demand launching tubes and can be prepared to launch in a very short time (some tens of seconds). It is impossible to believe that Hamas could use same hidden launching tubes for these giant artillery rockets more than one time. Even more difficult is to believe that Israel would not know about these hidden launching platforms.

    The list of Iranian weapons in use of Hamas is “amusing”. Why would Iran smuggle to Gaza basic weapons like mortar shells, Grad rockets etc which could be easily bought from Egyptian black markets? It would be much easier to give a suitcase full of dollars and say to Pals buy what you need. Why (and how) would Iran smuggle to Gaza long and heavy artillery rockets which demand special launching systems are almost impossible to be used in the tactical situation Hamas soldiers are (small area + complete Israeli air superiority and extremely developed spying systems).

    By claiming constantly Iranian weapons to exist in hands of Hamas and those few successful long rage rocket launchings (which I doubt come from Gaza and are fired by Palestinians) is aimed to get needed excuse to act against Iran.

    [end text]

    Jonothan Cook also posted a great piece there on identifying responsible parties in the escalation of the violence.

  75. 75.

    Brantl

    November 18, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Why is Jewish owned press so consistently anti-Israel? Maybe they are actually paying attention to the facts, and recognize that Israel is the Goliath in this story and Palastine the David, with Goliath’s foot on David’s neck for 30 + years. Go figure.

  76. 76.

    Keith G

    November 18, 2012 at 11:19 am

    @Donald: Good golly Don. Where am I going?

    I am asking a few questions about an issue I am wondering about. I detest Bibi and I hate that so much death and destruction is caused by idiots arguing over bronze age (and newer) mythologies. So stow your sermon and understand that I am just curious about the ways this might escalate.

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