Sweet Jesus, I hope the governor who told @Peggynoonannyc this never handles foreign affairs. http://t.co/0nOQdGJCNq pic.twitter.com/UcRCwN8UJr
— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) January 17, 2015
I’m guessing Rick Perry, because it’s not soulless enough to sound like Walker, or bitchy enough to sound like Christie. (Of course, filtered through Peggy Noonan’s addled brain, one can never be sure.) Anyone know if (ex)Gov JEB! showed up for the RNC beanfest?
Joseph Nobles
Saw someone pull a Christie quote that sounds similar. Actually, it was a description of Kissinger making a very similar point to Christie.
bk
It was Christie, from most sources.
pseudonymous in nc
Dear fucking me. There have been governors elected president who have been good on foreign affairs, but that had fuck all to do with what they learned governorin’.
If it was Perry, it’s especially hilarious, given how Texas infamously gives more practical powers to the Lt Gov.
The whole “state governor” concept seems to me one of those things that the US fucked up on. If governors were constitutionally barred from seeking the presidency, that might improve things a bit.
Southern Beale
Ah, Twitter. Love it.
White privilege in one Tweet.
Media FAIL.
pseudonymous in nc
And yeah, Christie’s a much better fit for the quote: the whole ‘antagonists’ thing is very Joisey and very Christie. But Joisey Power isn’t upgradeable.
Tommy
Wow. Silly me I thought foreign policy came down to having stellar people in the State Department who work well with the Senior White House staff and the President. Oh and maybe the the nations of the world, especially those in and around the nation/area where there is a serious foreign policy problem. But what do I know. Just “go with your gut,” what could go wrong?
Southern Beale
I was thinking Scott Walker.
sharl
We recently had a preznit (and former governor) who regularly (and proudly) deciderated “from the gut.” That helped to get us into Iraq.
Yeah, let’s do THAT again!!!
Joseph Nobles
@efgoldman: That’s where I saw it.
Violet
It’s Peggy Noonan. Reagan was a governor. Are we sure it isn’t Zombie Reagan?
cckids
As noted above, probably Christie. Sounds ENTIRELY too coherent to be Perry.
ETA: Not that it sounds intelligent, but complete sentences & grammar are used, so probably not Perry.
mai naem
I think its Christie too because Perry hasn’t had antagonists in the State House. Also the language doesn’t sound like Perry. Perry would be doing Texas Down Home Tawk and he would bring up dealing with Pineto in Mexico.
Roger Moore
It’s interesting that he focuses on dealing with antagonists but ignores the very important foreign policy implications of dealing with allies who are generally on our side but still have their own separate interests. Treating them as either something to be ignored or as antagonists tells you all you need to know about this governor’s foreign policy competence.
scav
@sharl: That was the gut echoes that went off in my head.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
guts and instincts comes straight from the George Dumbya Shrubb playbook
unions and pressure groups and unreliable allies sounds like Walker, and as I recall when the DJ’s tricked him in to thinking he was talking to one of the Koch brothers, he talked like a real macho tough guy, too.
Roger Moore
@efgoldman:
Including the 13 year-old, who- as Southern Beale pointed out in her blog post- probably ought to be treated as the victim of kidnapping and (probably) statutory rape rather than an eager participant. That said, the “Bonnie and Clyde style crime spree” seems a bit misleading, given that they haven’t actually been accused of any violent crimes yet.
catclub
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/17/state_of_the_union_obama_wants_to_increase_taxes_on_wealthiest_to_finance.html
Looks like John Boehner will derisively call this DOA at Congress in a nanosecond.
I suspect he will be correct.
TR
@Southern Beale:
Sweet tap-dancing Christ. There is so much wrong with that.
TR
There’s an easy joke to be made about Christie trusting his gut, but I’m better than that.
Tommy
What is scary to me is it could be any of the governors people have listed here: Perry, Christie, Walker, Rommey, even Jeb.
BTW: How much longer can Peggy Noonan fail upwards just because when I was only a kid (I am 45) she did write some “good” speeches for St. Reagan? You can’t tell me there are not some Republican J-school grads that have strong opinions and can string more than one or two sentences together. When I read excerpts of her op-eds at Wonkette, Daily Kos, or the wonderful Charles Pierce at Esquire I am sure if I went to the Google I’d find she had written something similar 100 times before. Kind of like Friedman baseing his whole world view on globalization from talking to taxi cab drivers leaving his first class seat on a plane and going to a five star hotel. How about some new blood Republican editors/publishers.
Roger Moore
@efgoldman:
And apparently they took off when the
boyyoung man’s mother confronted them about the girl’s real age, so there’s not much argument that he doesn’t know her true age now.Little Boots
I just pray everyone sees through walker and his constant dickishness. some may not, however obvious it is.
Roger Moore
@Tommy:
New blood is not what the Republicans do. Conservatism is about perpetuating existing power relationships, not rewarding competence regardless of experience and/or bloodline. There is no better way of expressing your conservative bona fides than by keeping around decrepit relics like Noonan and promoting legacies like Luke Russert when the ancients finally die off.
Mike J
I really enjoyed both Badlands and Natural Born Killers.
Anne Laurie
@efgoldman:
It varies. Even when I was growing up, more than 40 years ago, there were 12-year-old girls in my 7th-grade class who could (&, for the purpose of buying beer, did) “pass” for 18; I was sometimes mistaken for a junior high student when I was in my 20s (round no-makeup face, 36-30-38 figure).
These days, what with the hormone disrupters in the ecosystem & the availability of “styling” videos on YouTube, half my friends’ daughters seem to hit puberty at age 9 and start dressing up as
hookers“high school girls” shortly afterwards.Nineteen-year-old “men” generally not being the most discerning individuals, I can see him accepting when she led him to believe she was “old enough” (he may have figured she was 15 or 16, lying about being 19). He could be a predator, or she could be escaping from her own messed-up family life, or maybe they’re just a couple of hormone-addled adolescents who believe they’re in looooove, why doesn’t anybody understand?????
There’s a reason Romeo & Juliet remains a cultural touchstone, even in an age where we don’t have many of those.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: I was regularly carded at 30. These things vary.
nellcote
Huckabee?
lamh36
Open Thread…okay then.
So I’m hearing that NBC is thinking of doing The Wiz as one of their next musicals?
Wha, what what???
I love the Wiz as much as I love Sound of Music. So if NBC keeps the all Black cast, then I’ll be more than happy to watch.
If on the other hand they think I’m gonna watch Carrie Underwood in an Afro wig as Dorothy, they got another thing coming!
pseudonymous in nc
@Roger Moore:
Very much yes. There’s a lot to be criticised about the British approach to government, but the concept of “differing national interests in the context of broad common goals” that’s instilled very early on isn’t one of them.
pseudonymous in nc
@Roger Moore:
Also, Bonnie and Clyde died in a hail of gunfire, which is now reserved only for people of a darker hue.
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: As long as we are on open thread themes, I got some barbeque shrimp and dirty rice from the best cajun/creole place in town tonight and thought of the fact that it probably would have been average at best where you are. Nonetheless, I enjoyed it.
ETA: If someone does the Wiz with anything other than an all-Black cast, they are missing the damned point.
Little Boots
@Omnes Omnibus:
uh, huh.
Anne Laurie
@lamh36:
Oh, Carrie Underwood is so 2013. I’ll bet the suits are negotiating with… Lena Dunham!
(/snark, justincase)
ETA: Chris Brown as the Mean Ol’ Lion?
pseudonymous in nc
@Tommy:
Once you are made, you are made, and there is no failing other than upwards. Wingnut welfare will always provide as long as you are no heretic.
Omnes Omnibus
@Little Boots: Not a humble brag. My mom’s family (the side I take after) tend to look young. People at my college graduation thought that my mom was my dad’s younger second wife. My dad’s side of the family grey early. Dad has it and so does my younger brother. The only high point of my grandmother’s funeral a couple of years of ago was the number of family members who thought I was the younger of my father’s sons ( I am the elder by 6 1/2 years).
Omnes Omnibus
@Tommy:
She isn’t failing upwards. She remains where she was.
Quaker in a Basement
I’ wi@Violet: I’m with Violet. Sounds like Nooners was chatting with an apparition.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Quaker in a Basement: The ghosts of Mssrs Jameson and Bailey, I’m guessing, are her frequent companions.
I always wonder if the people who book/produce/host whichever Sunday shows she’s on are unaware of the Magick Dolphin Column, or if they think it’s just some dandy columnizing. Or if her insanity can’t be questioned because it’s related to her “faith”. And as I recall, there were no angel-dolphins, and there were no demon-sharks. All that was made up by the guy who latched on to the fisherman who pulled the kid out of the water after the fact.
lamh36
@Anne Laurie: ha…he’ll soon be back in jail though.
Now before his DV thing, he would have been perfect as MJ’s Scarecrow.
Actually, he still would work, but he’s way too toxic and for good reason.
So for The Wiz, they need someone who can sing the hell out of “Home” ala Stephanie Mills on Broadway.
My cast: Dorothy: Amber Riley from Glee, or some young Disney thing, like Keke Palmer maybe? Amber has the chops for “Home”, Keke Palmer sings, but not big enough for “Home”
Scarecrow: Chris Brown before his foray into DV, but now maybe Usher? He def has the sound and the movies like MJ
Tin Man: Ok, this one could also be Usher, but I’d say Jamie Foxx maybe
Cowardly Lion: Now this is a tough one but I’m going to go with maybe Cedric the Entertainer or Craig Robinson.
Glenda the good witch…Audra McDonald OF COURSE, she’d do Lena Horne proud
Eviline, now I’m not to sure. “Don’t Nobody Bring Me No Bad News” is one of my fav Wiz songs, so whoever it is, they need to be able to carry this song well…so I’m not sure
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: Scarecrow is Usher. Who else is liquid enough with his limbs and known enough to get notice? An unknown catapulted to fame would be cool though.
lamh36
@Omnes Omnibus: And I can totally hear Usher singing “You Can’t Win”…
Omnes Omnibus
Since it is late night when music pops up, let me offer two themes. This and that.
MomSense
@lamh36:
Usher is definitely my first choice for Scarecrow.
lamh36
Slate already has an article up with their picks for The Wiz
Dorothy: Janelle Monae
Aunt Em: Gladys Knight
Scarecrow: Usher (BTW, Usher already has a sorta contract with NBC, he subbed as a Judge on The Voice during the summer.)
TinMan: Drake, well, he can act, he did do Degrassi for years!
The Lion: Kanye West…I actually kinda love this one…lol
Glenda: Beyonce…yeah, no Beyonce ain’t second fiddle to no one, she’s be aiming for Dorothy, she already thinks she’s Diana Ross
Evilene: Queen Latifah…now se this is actually perfect. Queen was great as moms on Chicago….and she could def sing “No Bad News”.
I totally forgot the Wizard himself, played by Richard Pryor in the film. Instead they chose Eddie Murphy… I can see that.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/01/16/nbc_making_the_wiz_its_next_live_musical_let_s_cast_it.html
Joseph Nobles
A little Wiz math: Dorothy is 24 years old in the Wiz, but Diana Ross was 34 when it came out (born in 1944, movie released 1978).
Beyoncé will be 34 next December.
ETA: I’m totally down with Janelle as Dorothy. 100% down. But this sounds like Beyoncé’s show. Any reason Janelle couldn’t play the Scarecrow?
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36:
I would to pay to see it for that alone.
lamh36
@Joseph Nobles: I totally see Beyonce not doing anything BUT Dorothy.
As I said, she’s kinda fashioned her life right after Destiny’ Child as a Diana Ross and The Supremes type, and if I remember correctly, she took some of hr work as Deanna on Dreamgirls from Diana
Suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus: One time when I was 29, I got pulled over at a DUI checkpoint, because one of my contacts had fallen out and I decided that I couldn’t drive, and I asked my friend to drive instead. The brilliant cops found that suspicious. Anyway, they asked for my ID and I provided it, and first they were convinced I was drunk. I passed every test, so then they decided that my ID was fake and I was 18. I was totally incredulous that anyone would actually think I was 18. One of them saw my college ID and said, “See? You’re a student!” I responded, “I’M 29 AND IN GRADUATE SCHOOL. I HAVE GRAY HAIR, FOR GOD’S SAKE.” They did not believe me until they made some calls and verified my identity—which took a long time and I was getting pissed. On the last call, I could hear the person on the other end of the line ask, “Is she mad?”. The cop said, “No, she thinks it’s great that we think she looks so young.”
BARF.
Petorado
I’ll go with Kasich. He’s of the W-era “gut” mentality, has had the exposure at the federal level to even think about foreign policy, and the dickishness to consider his opponents as foreign enemies.
Omnes Omnibus
@Joseph Nobles: Beyoncé can’t be Dorothy because she is too confident. Dorothy has to be a girl who is discovering her power. Beyoncé too obviously knows it. One can’t strap that down like they strapped down Judy Garland’s breasts in the original.
Anne Laurie
@lamh36:
If Amber Riley isn’t playing Dorothy, she could play Eviline. Can Tracee Ellis Ross sing? — or is that a little too fraught, for her?
Speaking of Black-ish, if Anthony Anderson can sing, he’d be a pretty good Cowardly Lion…
Joseph Nobles
@Omnes Omnibus: If they could get Beyoncé, they’d work around it. I completely agree that Janelle would be better for the role, but Beyoncé would bring in killer audience share.
And everyone casts Audra as Glinda. That’s even what I thought. Maybe she wants to do Evilene!
What about Key and Peele as Tin Man and Lion?
Anne Laurie
@lamh36: Saw this after my previous comment. Like Omnes, I would pay to see Monae in this — I suspect she’d choose a non-traditional role though, maybe the Tin (Wo)Man!
Beyonce as Glenda would be following Lena Horne. No shame in that, even for Queen Bey…
cckids
@lamh36:
Agreed. Though I really hope they do a better job than they did with either Peter Pan or Sound of Music. I’ve seen better production values in community theaters.
Now, if they’d take a page from ABC/Disney, when they remade either Gypsy or Annie? That, I’d watch.
Omnes Omnibus
@Joseph Nobles: Honestly, I am far too white to go beyond what I said before.
cckids
@lamh36: I’d think Jennifer Hudson would be a fun choice for Dorothy, and she’s got the voice for it.
I’ve got no clue for Evillene (sp??)
ETA: just saw above, the Queen takes the cake. Perfect.
Also, I think Taye Diggs would make a great Tin Man
Villago Delenda Est
Anyone relying on their “gut instincts” to conduct foreign policy needs to be eviscerated.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Villago Delenda Est: Heh. I saw a right wing tweet today calling for a Jebbie/Condi ticket. The sad thing is I don’t think it’s unthinkable, as it should be.
lamh36
@Anne Laurie: I don’t know about Tracey ER, but I’d think the Ross clan would want to stay far away from this one, especially since people still talk about Diana Ross wasn’t the best person for the part of Dorothy.
As for Amber Riley as Evaline, she def has the pipes, but then whoever plays Dorothy would have to be younger than Riley?
ETA: Anthony Anderson would be awesome as Cowardly Lion, there is only one song, and it’s not a belt buster, so Anderson could def carry in off with some training.
Omnes Omnibus
Have a nice evening……………..
lamh36
Peace out guys.
I’m off to bed now!
Been a long day. Had some cake and ice cream to celebrate Maddie’s birthday, so I’ve been out of the house since about noon.
I am pooped!
Good night
trollhattan
This construction only works if you can see Russia from your front porch.
Bob In Portland
US lies 35 years ago.
To make the rich richer, to make the powerful more powerful.
Mike G
“Ah go with mah gut” was GW Bush’s ideology for foreign policy. But when your ideology is that you don’t have anything to learn and are anointed by God to lead the world, you never learn from mistakes because you can never admit to ever making them.
Which is why Repukes will always make disastrous governing mistakes over and over. Always.
wasabi gasp
Crullers, waffles, baklava… Bring ’em on!
cckids
@lamh36: Good night.
One last, late addition to the possible Wiz casting: Mary J. Blige as Evilene.
Repatriated
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: No one could have imagined that would be a winning ticket.
In other words, former SecState Rice as a VP candidate would bring up matters that Republicans would rather remain ancient (in media terms) history.
Iowa Old Lady
Foreign policy comes down to your gut? Jeebus save us all.
debbie
If it’s Christie, then he cribbed it from Jeb. That’s very close to the practice of looking into someone’s eyes and seeing their souls.
chopper
Sounds like Christie. “I dealt with democrats and the teachers’ union so I can deal with Russia and al Qaeda!”
low-tech cyclist
@sharl:
The only thing that stopped me from saying it had to be Shrubby was the contemporary references.
Whoever it was, I just hope the Dems are smart enough to hang Bush around this guy’s neck.
Woodrowfan
the Presidents who had 1. been governor and 2. were good at foreign policy, were those that had two advantages as president.
1. a long-standing curiosity about the world, including foreign travel.
2. a good, experienced staff that they trusted.
TR and FDR had both. Bush II had neither.
Seanly
I notice they’re not relying on the GWB’s ole MBA presidency – “I’ll be the adult in charge who appoints seasoned, rational experts like we rich folks do in major corporations”.
And then all the experts are Nixon’s & dad’s seasoned cronys and fellow grifters. Well, I guess he did uphold that promise as American corporations usually put the biggest idiots in charge and they dribble the stupidity throughout.
Kay
I’m betting on the Jebster.
This is hilarious. Front page in Cleveland. “Jeb Bush will win Ohio because, history!”
The Bush family have a lot of connections after 3 generations shilling for conservative causes :)
Jeb will get a ton of free local media ads disguised as “opinion”, just like his brother did.
Rich Gardner
@sharl: My thought exactly! “Didn’t we just have someone who ‘trusted his gut’ and didn’t his gut turn out to be the WORST possible predictor of anything?!?!?!”
Paul in KY
Sounded like Christie, to me.