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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Open Thread: What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

Open Thread: What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

by Anne Laurie|  October 1, 20154:02 pm| 178 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Assholes, Bring on the Brawndo!

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Peeple, because Bullee didn't test well.

— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) October 1, 2015

Per Caitlin Dewey at the Washington Post, “Everyone you know will be able to rate you on the terrifying ‘Yelp for people’ — whether you want them to or not“:

…[T]he most surprising thing about Peeple — basically Yelp, but for humans — may be the fact that no one has yet had the gall to launch something like it.

When the app does launch, probably in late November, you will be able to assign reviews and one- to five-star ratings to everyone you know: your exes, your co-workers, the old guy who lives next door. You can’t opt out — once someone puts your name in the Peeple system, it’s there unless you violate the site’s terms of service. And you can’t delete bad or biased reviews — that would defeat the whole purpose…

“People do so much research when they buy a car or make those kinds of decisions,” said Julia Cordray, one of the app’s founders. “Why not do the same kind of research on other aspects of your life?”

This is, in a nutshell, Cordray’s pitch for the app — the one she has been making to development companies, private shareholders, and Silicon Valley venture capitalists. (As of Monday, the company’s shares put its value at $7.6 million.)

A bubbly, no-holds-barred “trendy lady” with a marketing degree and two recruiting companies, Cordray sees no reason you wouldn’t want to “showcase your character” online. Co-founder Nicole McCullough comes at the app from a different angle: As a mother of two in an era when people don’t always know their neighbors, she wanted something to help her decide whom to trust with her kids…

“As two empathetic, female entrepreneurs in the tech space, we want to spread love and positivity,” Cordray stressed. “We want to operate with thoughtfulness.”

Unfortunately for the millions of people who could soon find themselves the unwilling subjects — make that objects — of Cordray’s app, her thoughts do not appear to have shed light on certain very critical issues, such as consent and bias and accuracy and the fundamental wrongness of assigning a number value to a person….

Two skinny upper-class blondes, a marketeer and a professional Mommy. Of course they think publicly rating every other human who comes in contact with their “empathetic love & positivity” would be a great idea — they’re the ones who have nothing but fond memories of their sixth-grade days as Queens of the Slam Book.

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  1. 1.

    schlemazel

    October 1, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    Perhaps people will sign up & offer 1-star reviews for these very people with scathing comments about the sort of princes & princesses that think it is a good idea.

  2. 2.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 1, 2015 at 4:05 pm

    This is a stupid idea.

  3. 3.

    PhoenixRising

    October 1, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    Best part: They think since Yelp is 79% positive, they can expect the same.

    Are you wholly ignorant of the fact that Yelp’s ‘anonymous reviewers’ are only the uncompensated labor in a blackmail scheme? That Yelp “reviews” are selected, by Yelp, and if the business wants better reviews to show they have to pay Yelp for ‘membership’?

    So…what’s the revenue model for a Yelp for people? seems like an obvious question for their investors.

  4. 4.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 1, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    Silliness. ***sucks teeth loudly***

  5. 5.

    gbear

    October 1, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    I bet that Julia has 50,000 reviews saying that she’s a stinking awful person within the first hour.

  6. 6.

    West of the Cascades

    October 1, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    @schlemazel: I hope they have thick skins. They’re going to need them.

  7. 7.

    Betty Cracker

    October 1, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    It’s a stupid idea, and if I read the linked WaPo article right, you can’t opt out of “service,” but you can ensure that only positive reviews are posted about you by not registering:

    If you haven’t registered for the site, and thus can’t contest those negative ratings, your profile only shows positive reviews.

    That’s a huge incentive to not register. Still, it’s annoying to think that people can post reviews about you behind your back, even if they are positive. Fucking busybodies.

  8. 8.

    ribber

    October 1, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    “As a mother of two in an era when people don’t always know their neighbors…” Here’s an idea, lady: meet your $%^&ing neighbors. Halloween’s coming up. Grab the candy bowl, open a beer, sit on your porch. Problem solved.

  9. 9.

    Knight of Nothing

    October 1, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    The race to the bottom seems to be accelerating.

  10. 10.

    Belafon

    October 1, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    So the only way I can leave a negative review about myself is to register? That’s no fun.

  11. 11.

    Tokyokie

    October 1, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    @West of the Cascades: More to the point, they’d better have liability coverage well past their eyeballs. This app just reeks of unlimited defamation claims by nonpublic figures not subject to limitations of the New York Times v. Sullivan test.

  12. 12.

    kc

    October 1, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    Do I understand correctly – these dipshits have raised 7.6 million dollars?

  13. 13.

    jl

    October 1, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Isn’t there something like that ruthless people rating service right here in the BJ blog comment section already, which as existed for quite a few years by now? Cole should have patented it and then the blog would have paid for itself.

    Maybe Cole could claim the appropriate framework is copyright, which BJ already has implicitly and sue them and take their houses. Probably nonsensical legal theory, but still might be some civil litigation ‘make it go away’ money in the idea someplace, though probably not their houses.

  14. 14.

    kc

    October 1, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    I’ve read a few of Cordray’s tweets, interview quotes, and FB posts, and I can’t help but suspect this whole thing is a huge hoax. It’s hard to believe anyone could appear to be so relentlessly clueless and offensive without doing it on purpose.

  15. 15.

    kc

    October 1, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    @Tokyokie:

    It’ll be on the Internet, so they’ll be insulated.

  16. 16.

    ? Martin

    October 1, 2015 at 4:20 pm

    Libel as a business model. Bold choice. I wonder whether they’ll go for the same Ashley Madison monetization strategy of blackmailing people to have their profiles removed.

  17. 17.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 1, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    “we want to spread love and positivity ”

    Sounds like people who’ve never heard of 4chan.

  18. 18.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    October 1, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    “Trendy lady” better not count on a good review from Faith Plotkin (aka Popcorn). Cos that’s shaping up to be a fight over who is working whose side of the street, anyway?

  19. 19.

    Calouste

    October 1, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Nothing that prevents anyone from leaving a five star review of someone while calling that the most dishonest liar this side of Carly Fiorina.

  20. 20.

    Goblue72

    October 1, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    And I bet neg rating the site’s founders is a violation of the TOS.

  21. 21.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    Great! Another tool for the middle and high school bullies!

    Apparently, one needs to post through facebook or some other non-anonymous site, but the mean kids will get around that easily.

  22. 22.

    Iowa Old Lady

    October 1, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    I’d like to think people have better things to do, but life keeps disappointing me.

    @efgoldman: I can be convinced either way, but I think it might be effective for them to walk away, now that McCarthy gave them evidence they can use to show the thing is a farce. Their absence will make every hearing even more obviously a joke.

    Also, poor Elijah Cummings needs a break.

  23. 23.

    Tenar Darell

    October 1, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    I just had a flashback to my youth. *full body shudder* and an emphatic *Do not want*

  24. 24.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    October 1, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    @Goblue72: I’m going with the old “hidden fourth directive”. Controlled Robocop well enough.

  25. 25.

    Trinity

    October 1, 2015 at 4:31 pm

    Sickening.

  26. 26.

    redshirt

    October 1, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    Kill ur internet.

  27. 27.

    catclub

    October 1, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    non-anonymous site

    How does facebook verify identity? Asking for a frenemy.

  28. 28.

    lethargytartare

    October 1, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    are we sure this isn’t just the premise for a Garfunkel & Oates song?

  29. 29.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    @efgoldman: I think they should walk out of the Benghazi committee.

    Leaving Elijah Cummings — who was wonderful at the PP Cecile Richards hearing — on committee to get and see all “intelligence” dredged up, and to have a turn at the mike between every other GOP bloviator. Hearing scheduled for 10/22 or so?

    Also: is “untrustable” even a word? Whatever, it should be applied profusely to the Benghazi committee.

  30. 30.

    catclub

    October 1, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Also, poor Elijah Cummings needs a break.

    He is doing great work though. So not having him there might be a loss.

  31. 31.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    @efgoldman:

    …now that majority leader/presumptive speaker McCarthy has admitted out loud what everybody with a quarter of a brain knows to be true – that it’s designed to be a political hit squad.

    Every now and then one of these loose-lipped decision-makers lets the cat out of the bag and ruins it for their gang. They get roundly scolded for it. Didn’t it happen not long ago when some local clown admitted on TV the real purpose of new voter laws were to prevent “lazy blacks” from voting?

  32. 32.

    catclub

    October 1, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    Didn’t Cordray give Marat extremely bad reviews?

  33. 33.

    mtiffany

    October 1, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    “Even though our app lets other people gratify themselves at your expense without your consent, it’s totally not like rape at all.”

  34. 34.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    @catclub: I’m not on facebook, but I’ve seen plenty of accounts with the names of dead celebrities from sixty years ago, so I’m guessing facebook verifies nothing.

  35. 35.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 1, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    There is already a site that discusses mommy blogs and fashion blogs, called get off my internets. Cat ladies of GOMI make the jackals and hyenas of the BJ comment section seem as cuddly as puppies.

  36. 36.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    October 1, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    Anyone can make an account for me, I have no say in it, and I can’t opt-out?

    FUCK THESE PEOPLE.

    You know how Yelp extorts money from businesses for better reviews? Just you wait. This will be a hundred times worse. And this will ruin people’s lives.

  37. 37.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    @CONGRATULATIONS!: uptick in teen suicides (if this isn’t a hoax)

  38. 38.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    As two empathetic, female entrepreneurs in the tech space, we want to spread love and positivity

    Which is, of course, why you are enabling people to denounce any neighbor who ever pointed out that a bad idea was a bad idea.

  39. 39.

    Betty Cracker

    October 1, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    @efgoldman: I wouldn’t download that app with YOUR phone! But apparently a person’s decision to not participate in the enterprise doesn’t prevent other busybodies from rating him or her. Anyone who has your phone number can create an entry for you and rate you, if I understand the WaPo article correctly. Hopefully it doesn’t catch on and the whole thing goes poof, but it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if it became a big hit. People are dumb.

  40. 40.

    scav

    October 1, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    and some people want businesspeople to run the government.

  41. 41.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Anyone who has your phone number can create an entry for you and rate you

    I suspect this is just a big scheme to justify Brady’s destruction of his cell-phone. Damn you, Bill Belichick!

  42. 42.

    Just One More Canuck

    October 1, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    @lethargytartare: Turn for the Douche?

  43. 43.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    There’s already something online called “Personality Reviews” where people get rated.

  44. 44.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    October 1, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    @Morzer: They beat Meg and Carly to it. Unless this is simply Carly undercover showing us that she can CEO a company somewhere but straight into the ground.

  45. 45.

    trollhattan

    October 1, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    I [heart] Nancy SMASH.

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has long been among Democrats’ fiercest champions of reproductive rights. She’s also a self-described “devout, practicing Catholic” and mother of five children. Pelosi sees no contradiction between her ardent feminism and her family and religious background, and she doesn’t hesitate to bring up the latter when discussing the former.

    The former House Speaker vividly illustrated that during her weekly press briefing on Thursday, when a reporter seized on the recent controversy over federal Planned Parenthood funding to ask her whether a fetus constituted a human being.

    “I am a devout, practicing Catholic. A mother of five children,” Pelosi responded. “When my [fifth] baby was born … my oldest child was six years old. I think I know more about this subject than you, with all due respect.”

    http://www.salon.com/2015/10/01/nancy_pelosi_smacks_down_a_conservative_reporters_anti_abortion_talking_points/

    “With all due respect.” I wonder how long it took housekeeping to sweep up the reporter’s remains?

  46. 46.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    http://gawker.com/not-a-single-hp-employee-reported-donating-to-carly-fio-1734050949

    Given her lack of any real political experience, former candidate for senator of California and current republican candidate for president Carly Fiorina has been touting (what she claims to be) her revered and profitable tenure as former HP CEO as a sign of what she could do for the nation if given the chance. Which is why it’s too bad that, of the 302,000 current HP employees, not a single one has donated a reportable amount to Carly Fiorina’s campaign.

  47. 47.

    goblue72

    October 1, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    Remember when Pets.com was founded, blew a million dollars on a Super Bowl ad trying to convince people to buy 50 pound bags of dog food over the Internet, had an IPO and then went bankrupt, all in the space of two years? And after the dot-com boom went totally bust, we all looked back and said – “Hmmmm…I think Pets.com was the sign the party was over…”

    Two dumb blondes getting seed funding for Peeple is Pets.com. Everybody out of the pool.

  48. 48.

    trollhattan

    October 1, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    @Betty Cracker:
    IINAL but under liable and slander laws, aren’t these folks opening themselves up to a tsunami of lawsuits?

  49. 49.

    benw

    October 1, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    That’s a huge incentive to not register. Still, it’s annoying to think that people can post reviews about you behind your back, even if they are positive.

    Not just annoying. Social media is becoming a big deal in getting and keeping a job. Potential employers check your public Twitter and Facebook feed. I can imagine that if this site catches on, people who wouldn’t want anything to do with “rating” other human beings (barf), will start to register, just so they can manage their public “ratings”. Because even if bad ratings will be hidden (the quote only says bad rating will be “not shown” rather than deleted entirely), who wants data on them floating around the internet for friends and employers to see that they haven’t?

    once someone puts your name in the Peeple system, it’s there unless you violate the site’s terms of service.

    My only question is how do I violate the site’s TOS, because I’d be willing to do that, repeatedly and thoroughly.

    EDITED to add: if this isn’t a hoax. Even the name Peeple is really… off.

  50. 50.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    October 1, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    with all due respect.

    @trollhattan: Was not aware this meant “go fuck yourself with a chainsaw, idiot”. Good to know.

  51. 51.

    goblue72

    October 1, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    @kc: Their seed funding is only $250,000. The $7.6 million valuation is based on number of shares the VC got for its $250k compared to the total issued stock (the bulk of which presumably is owned by the site’s founders)

    Its the game startups play for get mindshare – “We are valued at ONE BILLION DOLLARS!!!”*

    * We issued ourselves 10 million shares and sold one to our Mom for $100.

  52. 52.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 1, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    All I can do is quote the MeowMeowBeenz episode of Community in full.

    I figure MeowMeowBeenz was mostly inspired by Klout. But Klout was more Internet-solipsistic, having to do with stuff you did to promote stuff online.

  53. 53.

    Sad_Dem

    October 1, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    @? Martin: This. There’s a reason no one has done it before, and that reason is lawsuits and being attacked on the street.

  54. 54.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    October 1, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    Remember when Pets.com was founded, blew a million dollars on a Super Bowl ad trying to convince people to buy 50 pound bags of dog food over the Internet, had an IPO and then went bankrupt, all in the space of two years? And after the dot-com boom went totally bust, we all looked back and said – “Hmmmm…I think Pets.com was the sign the party was over…”

    @goblue72: Used to walk by their warehouse in SF every day on the way to work. Then one day I still had a job but they were emptied out.

  55. 55.

    goblue72

    October 1, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    The site founders are sorta cute, a MILFy blonde who goes to yoga 3 times a week sort of way. If I neg rate them enough on their site, I wonder if they’d bang?

  56. 56.

    NotMax

    October 1, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    From the article:

    To add someone to the database who has not been reviewed before, you must have that person’s cell phone number.

    Yet another reason to be grateful that I don’t have (nor need, nor crave, nor desire) a cell phone.

  57. 57.

    goblue72

    October 1, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    @CONGRATULATIONS!: Ha. My biggest regret in life is not getting my hands on a Kozmo.com messenger bag in the 90’s.

  58. 58.

    Roger Moore

    October 1, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    @CONGRATULATIONS!:

    And this will ruin people’s lives.

    Only if anyone is clueless enough to trust the ratings they see on it. I have a feeling a lot more reviews are going to be written than read.

  59. 59.

    sukabi

    October 1, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    @Betty Cracker: that would also seem to undermine their whole purpose…if you don’t register, then it’s only positive, even if you’re the most awful person in the world… Makes perfect sense.

  60. 60.

    jl

    October 1, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    @Morzer: Fiorina could double US revenue by acquiring Russia and the former Warsaw Pact countries and increase efficiency by laying of a mere 14 or so million US workers. Sounds like win-win to me. I’ll watch for her campaign to roll out that idea, probably in the Fall, when savvy PR execs do that kind of thing.

  61. 61.

    benw

    October 1, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    @CONGRATULATIONS!: I always got more of a “I just took your shitty argument and ripped out your innards with it, you fucking fool” kind of vibe from “all due respect” in this context.

  62. 62.

    jl

    October 1, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    @NotMax: how will they know you have ‘that person’s cell phone number’?

  63. 63.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    @NotMax:

    Yet another reason to be grateful that I don’t have (nor need, nor crave, nor desire) a cell phone.

    My experience was different. Our nightmare ended the day we cancelled our landline. Everybody had that number. Every spammer, telemarketer, crook and crank. If you googled our names you could get our landline #.

    Now we have cells only, and the annoying calls have decreased. I’ll get the occasional hangup call from a midwestern robo-marketer, but nothing like it was before.

  64. 64.

    MCA1

    October 1, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    How perfectly Millenial. In so many ways.

    On the bright side, we can just do away with obituaries in favor of a link to the deceased’s Peeple profile. Crowdsourcing ftw!

  65. 65.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    @jl:

    I have seen video of Snarly Fakerina personally scooping out the brains of the twitching, living body of Lucent.

  66. 66.

    Brachiator

    October 1, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    …[T]he most surprising thing about Peeple — basically Yelp, but for humans — may be the fact that no one has yet had the gall to launch something like it.

    More power to them. If someone had told me that Facebook would have any traction outside of college campuses, I would have told you it would be better to invest all your money in the company that made Blackberry phones.

    Social media apps and services of dubious use have come and gone. I would never use this stuff in a gazillion years, and think it is pretty stupid, but not worth the energy to bash the people behind it, or to ponder much on their potential success or failure.

  67. 67.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    Every spammer, telemarketer, crook and crank.

    Or, in short, the GOP presidential candidates.

  68. 68.

    Iowa Old Lady

    October 1, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    @Morzer: You should live in Iowa.

  69. 69.

    ribber

    October 1, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    @Germy Shoemangler:
    FB will, at times, get rid of accounts reported to them as ‘fake.’ My personal example is that a relative who goes by a nickname (for 55 years has gone by this nickname) had their FB account shut down because they thought it was a fake name and FB demanded a picture of a driver’s license to prove it is a real name. My efforts to vouch for the authenticity of the name were for naught.

  70. 70.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    Hurricane Joe Quinn done took out our Virginia State Fair near Richmond. They’re closing at 7 pm tonight, due to inclement weather which is expected to worsen. Had been scheduled through the weekend.

    No racing pigs. No fried butter.

    On the happy side, less chance of being a mass shooting venue. This year.

  71. 71.

    trollhattan

    October 1, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    @CONGRATULATIONS!:
    I still remember Webvan [sniff].

  72. 72.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 5:04 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    And you don’t even have a straw poll any longer….. *sob*

  73. 73.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    @Morzer:

    Or, in short, the GOP presidential candidates.

    Lots of crooks. The missus donated to Obama during his first campaign. During his second campaign she got several calls (caller ID “Washington”)… nice young man asking her to contribute to Obama again. She said “Fine, mail me a letter, I’ll write a check.” He insisted on asking for her credit card number. While he badgered her, I googled his number. A ton of complaints about it; a variety of telemarketing scams. I got on the extension and told him to go fuck himself.

    I guess they see “kind-hearted libruls” as a tastily vulnerable demographic.

  74. 74.

    Betty Cracker

    October 1, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    @jl: That’s a great question. I’m not sure it’s even legal to text someone to ask if they opt-in because that person could incur charges.

  75. 75.

    Maeve

    October 1, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    @catclub:

    How does facebook verify identity? Asking for a frenemy.

    They don’t – you just have to cross your heart and swear it’s true that this is your real identity, then they wait for others to challenge it – which means Trans people with names not on their official docs, Native Americans with “weird” names and Salmon Rushdie (it’s NOT his real name) are challenged but all the people who have facebook pages linked to hotmail addresses in their dog’s name ( just sayin’ ) are not challenged.

  76. 76.

    Betty Cracker

    October 1, 2015 at 5:13 pm

    @Elizabelle: The 5 PM NHC update on Hurricane Joe Quinn has the track shifted a bit further east than this morning’s cone of doom. With any luck, it’ll drift out to sea and be a problem only for unsuspecting fish. Still, it bears watching. Too bad about the fair.

  77. 77.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    @ribber:

    “As a mother of two in an era when people don’t always know their neighbors…”

    That’s the sort of thing I have heard for more than a decade. I’m a single guy and I have moved three times in 12 years and twice I have been confronted — initially friendly — about who I am, what my full name is, where did I come from etc. The first time it didn’t bug me because my interrogators were young single folks themselves but the second time it was by the dad with four kids and it dawned on me that my name was being searched for in online predator databases by both parties.

    Then again I could not give fewer flying fucks what anyone thinks of me, so there’s that.

  78. 78.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 1, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Could roll over us here in Massachusetts, though it’ll probably be a mere tropical storm at that point.

  79. 79.

    Kay

    October 1, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    “As two empathetic, female entrepreneurs in the tech space, we want to spread love and positivity,” Cordray stressed. “We want to operate with thoughtfulness.”

    I love how there’s never any thought to possible negative consequences. It’s as if they think good intentions are a 100% sure thing. As long as it’s “thoughtful” it will definitely end well. They can WILL that to be so.

    I always feel like they’re people that never had anything bad happen to them.

    I just think there’s more chaos in the world than they’re willing to contemplate, which is why they can’t be trusted. People are devising horrible uses for this right now :)

  80. 80.

    MomSense

    October 1, 2015 at 5:23 pm

    @Belafon:
    I’m thinking that if I could write a review about myself designed to prevent certain types of volunteer activities and committee work.

    I do a lot of volunteering–but some of the committees are ridiculous.

  81. 81.

    Bokonon

    October 1, 2015 at 5:23 pm

    You know, a couple of years ago, someone did a parody of a fake app that was called “Jotley”. It allowed idiotic people to go around taking pictures with their smart phones and giving ratings to random objects like stairs, trees, walls … and other people. The video is still out on the Internet.

    And this “Peeple” thing sounds just like Jotley. With an element of junior high school mean girls thrown in. Lameness included.

    [Also – when I see the name “Peeple” on this product, all I can do is snigger about the “pee” part. I know, I have a filthy mind, but that’s what stands out in the name.]

  82. 82.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 1, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    Also, whether Joaquin goes out to sea or not, the whole East Coast is going to get some torrential rain over the next several days, and probably a fair bit of flooding. It pays to stay prepared for an emergency regardless of the track.

  83. 83.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Good to hear. Hoping the track goes way east, and spares Ol Virginny and the East Coast.

    Are you still doing your mountain schlepp?

  84. 84.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    October 1, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    @HumboldtBlue

    I have been confronted—initially friendly—about who I am, what my full name is, where did I come from etc.

    You have the sketchy demeanor of a dude looking to bang the yoga MILFs.

  85. 85.

    kc

    October 1, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    @goblue72:

    Ah, thanks.

    Well, I’m thinking this app won’t happen . . .

  86. 86.

    NotMax

    October 1, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    @Germy Shoemangler

    Do Not Call registry axed the vast bulk of annoyances. If my landline gets legitimate use more than three times during a given week (either receiving or placing calls), that qualifies as a frantically busy seven days.

    Also have never felt required to answer a ringing phone unless am expecting a call. Perfectly content to ignore it and let it ring until it stops.

  87. 87.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2015 at 5:32 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    I aint that crunchy. Although the GF does do yoga it’s with her dogs.

    Plus the crunchy moms are very pissed off because they failed to gather enough signatures to get their anti-vaxx bill onto the 2016 ballot. There are two who are gonna hate me even more now that’s happened.

  88. 88.

    ET

    October 1, 2015 at 5:32 pm

    I can’t wait until people start rating them…. This will be so epically bad it is going to be ugly.

  89. 89.

    ribber

    October 1, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:
    What I was saying is not that they need to give the third degree to everyone they run into on their street, but that people who claim to want to get to know their neighbors can do so by being …neighborly. The bit about halloween and beer on the front porch is precisely how I met my neighbors who wanted to be met.

  90. 90.

    NotMax

    October 1, 2015 at 5:35 pm

    They might consider changing the name from Peeple to Salem Witch Hunt 2.0.

  91. 91.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    @ribber: I agree wholeheartedly. That’s similar to how I meet my neighbors, with a beer (and a bong if needed) and maybe some barbecue depending on the day. It’s not hard and it makes being a neighbor a lot easier.

  92. 92.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    @NotMax:

    The Witches of Peepwick.

  93. 93.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    To be fair, who among us has not had that demeanor at some point? Let him who is without yoga-milf-imminent-banging-affect cast the first Lululemon.

  94. 94.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    @Morzer: The Crucipeeple

  95. 95.

    trollhattan

    October 1, 2015 at 5:41 pm

    @efgoldman:
    “Of or having a high state of trustlessness.”

  96. 96.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    Oh that is very good! I raise a respectful chapeau to you.

  97. 97.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    @efgoldman: I enjoy your comments on LGM

  98. 98.

    catclub

    October 1, 2015 at 5:44 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    but the second time it was by the dad with four kids and it dawned on me that my name was being searched for in online predator databases by both parties.

    Gotta scope out the competition. ;)

  99. 99.

    Germy Shoemangler

    October 1, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    @Morzer: Thank you. Your chapeau raising is worth more than any peeple rating.

  100. 100.

    burnspbesq

    October 1, 2015 at 5:47 pm

    The best argument yet for the EU’s “right to be forgotten” theory. I wonder if Ireland will let me in 167 years after my ancestors bolted to escape the English genocide — err, the famine.

  101. 101.

    jl

    October 1, 2015 at 5:47 pm

    @efgoldman: “Peeple, the gold standard of trustiness!”

    Sounds good. Has the ring of genuine truthiness to it.

  102. 102.

    different-church-lady

    October 1, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    [T]he most surprising thing about Peeple — basically Yelp, but for humans — may be the fact that no one has yet had the gall to launch something like it.

    Perhaps because even in this modern age genuine sociopaths are still relatively rare.

  103. 103.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2015 at 5:52 pm

    @catclub: Hell, just hold up a cold Pabst and I’ll come running. If nothing else, I’m easy and that way it’s much easier to check me out.

  104. 104.

    MCA1

    October 1, 2015 at 5:54 pm

    @Kay: I think that’s right. I don’t believe this is a Mean Girls take their bullying to the internet thing at all, but rather two horribly naïve, sheltered founders who truly think this is going to be great and are too dumb to contemplate how many shades of wrong this idea is. Of course, maybe I’m just horribly naïve, and in fact they’ve just determined this is their ticket for a 9 or 10 digit net worth and don’t care who gets hurt along the way.

    Not sure which reflects worse on our society, though.

    My hope at this point is that their venture capital partners get called out and appropriately shamed, in order to have the plug pulled on this. This thing needs to be strangled before it gets out of the cradle – the moment it goes live damage will have been done, the internet being forever and all.

  105. 105.

    Betty Cracker

    October 1, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    @Elizabelle: We’re planning on it, but it may be a muddy mess. There’s been a metric fuck-ton of rain in the area we’ve mapped out. Supposed to clear up in the Carolinas after the weekend, though and the temps will be perfect.

  106. 106.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    October 1, 2015 at 5:58 pm

    @kc:

    $7,600,000. These clowns pulled in $7,600,000 for their shitty escapade, and I’m struggling to raise $30,000 so I can pay for teachers at a school teaching poor children in a third world country. Sometimes I get the weirdest feeling that life is less than fair…

  107. 107.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    October 1, 2015 at 5:58 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    We should do another shindig in or near Washington.

  108. 108.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    On the other hand, at least people think of you as a decent person, which is more than the two Stasimoms can now say for themselves.

  109. 109.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    Ever tried reddit?

  110. 110.

    Dmbeaster

    October 1, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    @efgoldman: Better to stay on and use the forum to repeat this talking point endlessly, and in all the questioning.

  111. 111.

    Roger Moore

    October 1, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    These clowns pulled in $7,600,000 for their shitty escapade

    As somebody mentioned upstairs, that’s not what it means. The typical procedure for something like this is that the founders work unpaid while the company is getting set up. When they decide the company needs more capital than they can provide themselves, they look at the amount of capital they need, come up with a hypothetical value for the company, and sell a share of the company that’s enough to bring in their capital requirement. The rest of the company stays in their hands as “sweat equity”. So they may have decided they needed $76K of capital, decided that the company as a whole was worth 100x that, and sold off 1% of the company to keep themselves going. You can pull that kind of thing when your investors are friends and relatives with get rich quick dreams.

  112. 112.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 6:10 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): We will make it happen.

    Soon.

  113. 113.

    Steeplejack

    October 1, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    @Morzer:

    Touché. I was momentarily lacking in self-reflection.

  114. 114.

    Baud

    October 1, 2015 at 6:19 pm

    @efgoldman:

    How do we feel about the Democrats on the House Benghazi!! committee walking out,

    Whatever they decide to do, it’ll be a massive betrayal.

  115. 115.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 6:21 pm

    @Baud: It will make those Democrats even more untrustable.

    PBO up. Speaking on another mass shooting.

    ETA: PBO looks sad, disgusted, and tired. What a sick routine, to have to keep speaking about this, while Capitol Hill, safe behind their guards and barriers, will not do a goddamned thing about it.

    PBO reminds that our thoughts and prayers are not enough. Tell it.

  116. 116.

    ? Martin

    October 1, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    @goblue72: $7.6M valuation (they haven’t raised $7.6M, mind you, just that someone was willing to buy a share of the company such that 100% would be $7.6M, as Roger Moore very well explains) is throwing around money. It’s nothing. Avant just raised $325M.

    There’s no bubble here. These startups have quite solid earning roadmaps. Avant has already cleared almost $2B in revenue. They bear almost no relationship to the late 90s dot.com landrush.

  117. 117.

    Steeplejack

    October 1, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    @Elizabelle, @Betty Cracker:

    I’ve decided to drive from NoVA to Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, early Saturday morning. My brother got the certificate of occupancy for his beach house and is taking delivery of the stuff that was in storage during the renovation. I’ll help him unpack and put stuff away, marvel at the renovation, hopefully get a good dinner somewhere and come back Sunday morning.

    Right now it doesn’t look too bad, just lots of rain, although there is a high wind watch from Friday evening to Saturday evening and a coastal flood watch basically all weekend. But I’ll keep monitoring conditions.

  118. 118.

    goblue72

    October 1, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    @Roger Moore: Business press has reported their seed funding is $250k. So yes, pretty much funding of the friends and family variety.

  119. 119.

    different-church-lady

    October 1, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    @efgoldman: I wonder if anyone at that station could calculate the relative odds of dying in a hurricane vs. dying in a campus shooting.

  120. 120.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    He’s had it. He’s ready to kick ass and take names.

    He’s talking about how routine this has all become. That we’ve become NUMB to this.

    Which is exactly what the NRA counts on.

  121. 121.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    He talked about making a previous post-shooting statement, and that very afternoon someone else shot up a movie theatre.

    It is so fucking absurd.

    He’s demolishing the “guns keep us safe” argument, and that other countries have been able to do something.

    Says someone will comment “Obama politicized this issue. Well this is something we should politicize.”

    Asks news organizations to tally up those killed by terrorism v. those killed by gun violence. YES!

  122. 122.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    October 1, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Ooh, can we come stay at your brother’s house next summer? I mean, yeah, I know you don’t know us from a hole in the ground, but, hey, what could go wrong? We won’t trash it, I swear. As I’ve told my wife for a while, now, we need friends with beach houses in Delaware. I’ll bring guacamole and rum.

  123. 123.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    The Obama with no fucks left to give. Says we have a Congress that does not allow us to collect data on gun deaths. “How can that be?”

    When Americans are killed in mine disasters, we work to make mines safer ….

  124. 124.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 1, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    President sounds pissed. Can’t blame him.

  125. 125.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    The notion that gun violence is somehow different? That our Constitution prevents some modest regulation [to protect society]?

    Time to have this debate. Can the gunhuggers turn out any more voters than they already have? Whereas it’s not hard to imagine getting shot up on campus or at the mall or at the theatre.

    Could be a rallying cry for those sick of the status quo of gun-humping legislators.

    This should be an issue for 2016 and it won’t be a problem for Bernie Sanders because he is not crazed on the issue. There is lots of room to improve.

  126. 126.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 6:33 pm

    @ribber:

    “As a mother of two in an era when people don’t always know their neighbors…” Here’s an idea, lady: meet your $%^&ing neighbors.

    She would, if she could “monetize” it somehow.

  127. 127.

    Roger Moore

    October 1, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    @goblue72:
    I’ve become much more aware of this kind of thing because I’ve just invested in a family member’s startup business. It’s one that actually seems to have a reasonable business plan- they’re making and selling a tangible physical product in a currently under served niche market- but the basic strategy is the same for any start-up that needs funding beyond what its founders can provide.

  128. 128.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    He’s ready to kick ass and take names.

    Great, and good luck to him.

    He and Biden have both tried to address the issue. In Congress it’s as bad as, probably worse than, dealing with Israel — plus on this issue, his opponents are by definition heavily armed.

    I’ll celebrate — if that’s the right word — when something real changes.

  129. 129.

    Baud

    October 1, 2015 at 6:40 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    it won’t be a problem for Bernie Sanders because he is not crazed on the issue.

    Maybe, out of him, Hillary, and O’Malley, he’s the only one who didn’t mention gun regulation in his tweet on this shooting.

    ETA: As of the time of this comment.

  130. 130.

    Steeplejack

    October 1, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    Hey, I don’t know if I’ll have visitation rights! Why do you think I’m risking my neck going down there on a stormy weekend to help with unpacking?

  131. 131.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    October 1, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    And if some a-holes say, “But what about black on black violence?” said a-holes need to read the following New Yorker article and shut their fucking pieholes:

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/05/a-daughters-death?intcid=mod-yml

    Short version: successful community activists are shackled by a lack of money and support, and their efforts get constantly undermined. But they’re still working their asses off every day to try and solve the problem.

  132. 132.

    Gimlet

    October 1, 2015 at 6:49 pm

    Pathetic

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-police-shooting-data-james-comey_560d7252e4b0af3706dfd8c3

    WASHINGTON — FBI Director James Comey said Thursday that he doesn’t have the power to force law enforcement agencies across the country to report information on police shootings and that he could only “talk about it and talk about it and talk about it,” using his position as a bully pulpit.

    “I don’t have the power to require people to supply us with data,” Comey said in response to The Huffington Post’s question at a roundtable with reporters at FBI headquarters. “So my plan is, I’m just talking about it constantly to state and local law enforcement, saying this is in everyone’s interest who cares about sound policing, sound public policy, and to use the bully pulpit of this office to say ‘You’ve got to give it to us, you’ve got to give it to us.’ Those are the tools I have.”

  133. 133.

    NonyNony

    October 1, 2015 at 6:50 pm

    So – basically it’s ratemyprofessor but for everyone?

    Yeah – I’m sure THAT will be a service EVERYONE will enjoy using…

  134. 134.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2015 at 6:52 pm

    @Baud:

    That’s because he’s got a history with the NRA

  135. 135.

    Steeplejack

    October 1, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    @Gimlet:

    Thanks for the links with your recent posts.

  136. 136.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    @Gimlet:

    He says his office is a “bully pulpit” while explaining that it isn’t.

  137. 137.

    Baud

    October 1, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Thanks. I had heard bits and pieces, but it was nice to see a detailed rundown of the history.

  138. 138.

    Baud

    October 1, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    @Cervantes:

    What do you mean?

  139. 139.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 1, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    @efgoldman: Been away from tv’s. Thanks for the update, now I don’t need to watch.

  140. 140.

    Calouste

    October 1, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    @Elizabelle: Sanders voted for the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.

    To quote Wikipedia: “The National Rifle Association thanked President Bush for signing the Act, for which it had lobbied, describing it as, “…the most significant piece of pro-gun legislation in twenty years into law”

    ETA: If he’s with the NRA, he’s on the wrong side.

  141. 141.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    October 1, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    @Gimlet:

    Unfortunately, he’s right. Congress would have to pass a law.

    I suppose the Justice Department might be able to somehow tie federal police department grants to proper reporting of police shootings, but that wouldn’t be Comey’s department or decision.

  142. 142.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    @Baud:

    When TR said the presidency was a “bully pulpit,” he was using “bully” as an adjective meaning “effective.”

  143. 143.

    Gimlet

    October 1, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    @Cervantes:

    If only the FBI had the resources to read the newspapers on the internet or failing that the blog(s) that do it for them and track the number of incidents.

  144. 144.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    @Steeplejack: Sounds good, and it’s cool to see storms at the beach.

    I’m hoping Joaquin does not wash Lucinda Williams away from Richmond on Sunday night. Would love to see her concert, but not buying ticket yet in case it’s not advisable to drive down for it.

  145. 145.

    Joel

    October 1, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    Trolls will kill this app in weeks, if not days.

  146. 146.

    Baud

    October 1, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    @Cervantes:

    Gotcha. But where did he say that he wouldn’t be effective? All he said was that he didn’t have the legal authority to compel the reporting.

  147. 147.

    David Koch

    October 1, 2015 at 7:06 pm

    @Baud:

    he’s the only one who didn’t mention gun regulation in his tweet on this shooting.

    “I will talk about guns at some length, but not right now.”
    June 19, 2015.

    someone needs to put a new battery in his sun dial. tick tock – tick tock – tick tock – tick tock

  148. 148.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    @Calouste: I doubt Sanders is for wantonly handing out guns or looking the other way at gun deaths. This might be a good Sister Souljah moment for him. He does not get elected cuz of guns, guns, guns.

    Why can’t we have gun laws like Switzerland? Clearly, the “well regulated” part is unwelcome to gun humpers, but it needs to be front and foremost.

    We wouldn’t have cars if people were running up into other people’s yards and killing toddlers and pedestrians, right and left, every single day, so much that we got sick of hearing about it. People are pretty happy about DUI laws and not letting unqualified people drive.

  149. 149.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    @Baud:

    But where did he say that he wouldn’t be effective?

    He said that he can only “talk about it and talk about it and talk about it,” using his position as a bully pulpit.

    He said that he’s been “talking about it constantly to state and local law enforcement.”

    Has all that talking been effective?

  150. 150.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    Sanders, via @David Koch:

    “I will talk about guns at some length, but not right now.”

    I think it’s perfectly reasonable to ask him every day to start talking about it “at some length.”

  151. 151.

    Baud

    October 1, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    @Cervantes:

    I don’t know how effective it has been. I just don’t see what the criticism is about. Unless you think he’s lying about his lack of legal authority to compel reporting.

  152. 152.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    Maybe Bernie needs to listen some. He’s greatly popular among the young. They’re not buying guns as much as their older relatives. They like working in offices and hanging out on campuses, in cafes and movie theatres. Being out in the public square.

    Maybe Bernie’s supporters can tell him what they would like to see in terms of gun regulation.

  153. 153.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    @Baud:

    I just don’t see what the criticism is about.

    The entirety of what I said is this:

    He says his office is a “bully pulpit” while explaining that it isn’t.

    It’s not accurate for him to say he has a bully pulpit. He may think he does, but the facts indicate that he’s mistaken. That’s all.

    I don’t think he’s “lying” about anything — but also see what Gimlet said here.

  154. 154.

    Baud

    October 1, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    @Cervantes:

    It’s over my head, I guess.

  155. 155.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 7:15 pm

    @Baud:

    Not another campaign slogan, I trust.

  156. 156.

    Baud

    October 1, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    At some point, he’ll have to put out a policy statement on guns, so we’ll see what he says. Every candidate will have something they don’t want to focus on, and I think guns will be Bernie’s.

  157. 157.

    Baud

    October 1, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    @Cervantes:

    No. Just conversation.

  158. 158.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 7:20 pm

    @Baud:

    And thanks.

    I’m off. Have a great evening.

  159. 159.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    October 1, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Maybe I should go, too, and help him move, then…

  160. 160.

    Steeplejack

    October 1, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    @Cervantes:

    When TR said the presidency was a “bully pulpit,” he was using “bully” as an adjective meaning “effective.”

    Do you have a source for that?

  161. 161.

    Steeplejack

    October 1, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Well, I see Cervantes has buggered off for the evening. I thought the conventional definition for bully as an adjective was as a slightly slangy synomym for “good,” “fine,” “excellent,” “terrific,” etc. Not sure how that gets to “effective.”

  162. 162.

    Seanly

    October 1, 2015 at 7:59 pm

    A) I don’t know many of my neighbors,
    B) and for those that I have met, they have no f’ing clue what my cell phone is.
    C) Most people who have my cell number don’t know my address.

    So unless this site is going for some serious violations of my wireless carrier’s network, how would anyone know to connect my phone to me and to my house?

    I smell a lot of fail out of this one.

    D) luckily for me, anyone who might have some issues about their past with me don’t have my number (excluding my wife who has been bringing up a lot from 15 years ago)

  163. 163.

    ? Martin

    October 1, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    @Steeplejack: No, effective fits. The pulpit is terrific because it’s effective. In short TR was saying that if you want to get something done, the Presidency is a terrific place to do it from because you are likely to be effective.

  164. 164.

    Elizabelle

    October 1, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    @Baud: Good point.

    Baud 2016!

  165. 165.

    TriassicSands

    October 1, 2015 at 9:16 pm

    There are many bad ideas on the Internet. This is among the worst I’ve ever heard. Some people shouldn’t be allowed to have guns. And some people shouldn’t be allowed near the Internet.

  166. 166.

    Cervantes

    October 1, 2015 at 9:29 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    I thought the conventional definition for bully as an adjective was as a slightly slangy synomym for “good,” “fine,” “excellent,” “terrific,” etc. Not sure how that gets to “effective.”

    Let’s go with “good” as you think it fits. What do you think TR meant that a “good” pulpit offers? What makes it good? Not how well it was made, nor how shiny the finish, nor how pleasant the prospect when standing in it — but what?

    You asked for a source. In the absence of a good dictionary, see this:

    According to the Oxford English Dictionary, “bully pulpit” means “a public office or position of authority that provides its occupant with an outstanding opportunity to speak out on any issue.” It was first used by TR, explaining his view of the presidency, in this quotation — “I suppose my critics will call that preaching, but I have got such a bully pulpit!” The word “bully” itself was an adjective in the vernacular of the time meaning “first-rate,” somewhat equivalent to the [current] use of the word “awesome.” The term “bully pulpit” is still used today to describe the president’s power to influence the public.

    “Power to influence.” That’s effectiveness. Comey carelessly says it comes with his office but manifestly it does not (on this issue).

    I hope that helps. Have a good evening.

  167. 167.

    BruceFromOhio

    October 1, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    The Peeple Slogan:

    Piss on all y’all!

  168. 168.

    BruceFromOhio

    October 1, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    @ribber: This works grandly in our little neighborhood, though it is a bit weather dependent.

  169. 169.

    Steeplejack

    October 2, 2015 at 12:15 am

    @? Martin:

    [. . .] if you want to get something done, the Presidency is a terrific place to do it from because you are likely to be effective.

    True. But if you are ineffective, does that make it a less terrific place?

    Cervantes wrote: “[Comey] says his office is a ‘bully pulpit’ while explaining that it isn’t.” And: “[T.R.] was using ‘bully’ as an adjective meaning ‘effective.’”

    That seems to indicate that the pulpit must be effective or it isn’t “bully.” But it is possible for, say, a piano to be an excellent instrument but ineffective in the hands of a poor musician. The same for the bully pulpit: it’s an excellent point of leverage, and it doesn’t become less so because someone wields it awkwardly.

    I don’t see how bully apparently must mean “effective” exclusively. That is not the conventional meaning of the word, at least as I understand it.

  170. 170.

    Steeplejack

    October 2, 2015 at 12:25 am

    @Cervantes:

    “Power to influence.” That’s effectiveness.

    Perhaps it is more accurate to say it is the potential power to influence. It’s not automatic, and, as I said in my reply to Martin, it can be wielded ineffectively.

    What do you think TR meant that a “good” pulpit offers? What makes it good? Not how well it was made, nor how shiny the finish, nor how pleasant the prospect when standing in it—but what?

    [. . .]

    I hope that helps.

    Whiff of condescension noted. Bully for you!

  171. 171.

    mclaren

    October 2, 2015 at 1:38 am

    @Morzer:

    …of the 302,000 current HP employees, not a single one has donated a reportable amount to Carly Fiorina’s campaign.

    The demon sheep ate it.

  172. 172.

    mclaren

    October 2, 2015 at 1:40 am

    @TriassicSands:

    Some people shouldn’t be allowed to have guns. And some people shouldn’t be allowed near the Internet.

    But the people who shouldn’t be allowed near the internet definitely should be allowed to have guns…with hair triggers. And encouraged to check if the gun is clean by staring down the barrel.

  173. 173.

    mclaren

    October 2, 2015 at 1:42 am

    @Elizabelle:

    He’s demolishing the “guns keep us safe” argument…

    The facts do that.

    A gun owner is 5 times more likely to die from suicide using hi/r own gun than to defend hi/rself against armed intruders.

  174. 174.

    Morzer

    October 2, 2015 at 3:54 am

    A nice little bit of news: apparently the Stasimoms and their app “Peeple” are stepping on the toes of an already existing company, also named “Peeple”:

    http://www.wired.com/2015/10/peeple-the-thing-versus-peeple-the-app/

    While changing the course of public misconception is an exceedingly difficult battle to wage, Peeple (the thing) does have recourse to challenge Peeple (the app). After discussing it with his lawyer, Chuter described the situation: The smart home Peeple has a registered trademark in the US with intent to use (you can see it here). Peeple the app registered at around the same time last year, but its trademark registration is in Canada (where one of its founders is from) and is currently in a suspended status (which could mean someone in Canada is challenging their trademark). Which makes sense, of course, since the app hasn’t even launched—all it has to show, at the moment, are screenshots.

    I’ll note here that I tried without success to reach the folks at Peeple, the app, by phone and through Facebook, and their site’s been down all day

  175. 175.

    brantl

    October 2, 2015 at 7:38 am

    I think it very appropriate that the first people rated as morons, are those two people.

  176. 176.

    Cervantes

    October 2, 2015 at 8:55 am

    @Steeplejack:

    You’re too busy sniffing around for non-existent attitudes towards yourself to catch TR’s point, or mine. Oh, well.

  177. 177.

    The Other Chuck

    October 2, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    I guess the name “Slandr” was taken. How about “Libl”?

  178. 178.

    kirk

    October 3, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    It’s like the “meow meow beans” episode of ” community.”

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