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Open Thread: Media v Corey Lewandowski

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My lace-curtain-Irish grandmother, faced with an uncooperative store clerk or a dilatory office assistant, would announce “Like man, like master!” in her most carrying tones. Certain members of the media (too much of which gave Trump a free pass as long as it was only protestors being roughed up) seem to be turning on the Donald’s campaign manager, now that he’s literally manhandled a female Breitbart reporter…

Chris Lehmann, at The Baffler, has the best succinct report on “The Breitbart Betrayals”:

…Over at Breitbart News—the gaudy home to the most truth-challenged persecution manias on the American right—the alleged physical assault of campaign reporter Michelle Fields by Trump campaign manager (and all-around thug) Corey Lewandowski was far from a call to arms; it was, rather, a call to roll over and whimper. News of the attack—which has since prompted Fields to file criminal charges against the Trump apparatchik—failed to spark any robust protest from Breitbart managers on behalf of their reporter. What’s more, the Breitbart operation—which has essentially doubled as a PR arm of the Trump campaign this primary season—published a report disputing the testimony of both Fields and Washington Post reporter Ben Terris, who confirmed (according to audio transcripts of the episode) that it was Lewandowski who had gone after the Breitbart scribe. Sure, Fields was grabbed by her arm and pushed roughly backward, the Breitbart post grudgingly conceded—but then went on to contend that video footage of the incident suggested that it wasn’t Lewandowski doing the actual manhandling…

… The perfect coda to Lewandowski’s tour through the sanitized right-wing news cycle came on Trump’s Tuesday night celebration of his latest round of primary victories at the candidate’s gilded Mar-a-Lago compound: his campaign manager was marshaled on stage behind him, and Trump singled him out for special praise; by the end of the GOP frontrunner’s performance, Lewandowski—a man facing criminal assault charges filed by a reporter—was chortling and clapping along as Trump was denouncing the reporters on site as “really disgusting people.” Never has a multimillion-dollar resort felt quite so much like a Weimar beerhall…

Gonna be interesting to see whether Lewandowski continues on his chosen path, or if The Donald will decide his man is stealing too much of the limelight from the master…

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  2. 2.

    dmsilev

    I’ve seen this movie before. Always there are two, master and apprentice, and the apprentice will at some point stick a metaphorical knife in Master’s back.

  3. 3.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    Nothing surprises me either. It’s pretty clear that Lewandowski grabs the guy in the plaid shirt by the collar and spins him around to the guy in red piped black. I’m embarrassed to admit how many times I watched that tape to be sure what I thought was clear was in fact clear.

  4. 4.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    McKay Coppins at Buzzfeed:

    Me: “I’m going to work tonight.” 3-year-old: “OK but daddy, don’t let Donald Trump get you.”

    twitter is interesting tonight, with media figures like Chuckles starting to sidle up to the fact that treating Trump differently – like letting him call in to their shows – may, just may, have contributed to building the Frankenstein monster that may be threatening their careers. If they don’t care about the rest of us, they at least do care about their careers.

  5. 5.

    Mnemosyne

    I get to have an ultrasound of my boobs tomorrow. I think it will be even less fun than it sounds like it would be. This is apparently a precautionary diagnostic based on my anatomy and family history and not due to anything on my mammogram, but it’s still a little nerve-wracking. The fact that they made me wait 3 weeks for an appointment makes me feel a little more confident that it really is just a precaution.

  6. 6.

    Gin & Tonic

    There was some discussion on one of last night’s threads about this guy Lewandowski and his resume, and I think Adam was saying he’d read that the guy was in the NH State Police for a year. I was left thinking “there’s a story there.” I don’t know about NH, but in RI becoming a State Police officer is a long, hard slog, but for a job that has good pay and benefits and is reasonably prestigious for a lot of people. The kind of people who aim for that and make it through the program don’t leave after a year for an uncertain future in political campaigns.

  9. 9.

    Culture of Truth

    At some point the clever Daniel Drezner is just going to have to leave the Republican party.

  12. 12.

    Kay

    The constant lying is getting to them:

    The hokum washes over you after a while. A reporter sitting next to me at the Saturday rally in Cleveland chuckled when Trump bragged there were 29,000 people in the room. “That can’t be remotely possible,” she said, lifting her head for a moment to assess the crowd, then giving up and returning her gaze to her laptop. A fire marshal later announced the attendance had been about 7,000. The lie, though, never made it into her piece. Why bother to spend the time and column space to correct a silly exaggeration, when this same man has said he might want to summarily execute enemy combatants and defile their bodies? You need to pick your battles.
    “We used to fact-check everything, every day,” another reporter told me, “but it gets hard to keep up.”

  15. 15.

    scav

    Judging by the way they throw reporters into hurricanes etc, it doesn’t seem the networks et al will lose any sleep about throwing them into the Trump campaign. Makes for good visuals, and more than half the audience is hoping for injuries.

  16. 16.

    Jake Nelson

    @efgoldman: Every state I know of. Even if you decide patrol/etc is too rough for you, time as an actual officer is a huge leg up in getting evidence dept and filing positions, which are really sweet deals by most people’s standards. You give that up, yeah, I think there’s a reason.

  17. 17.

    Larime

    This is why all the stop-him-at-the-convention stories are missing a big problem:

    He’ll let his people burn it to the fucking ground.

    Any attempt to try to swing the nomination to someone else when he has the most delegates will result in full anarchy.

    Cleveland, I’m so sorry.

  18. 18.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @efgoldman:

    The mask on the media’s failure is slipping. I know I’ve thought this before and have been disappointed, but something is different about the MSM playing along with this particular dumpster fire. Trump is a disruptor, but not just of the GOP. There’s only so much bullshit that can be peddled in the age of twitter.

  20. 20.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Looking at it again, yeah, he did do some tugging on his collar (or some sorta strap across the top of his back). But I don’t see how he would have enough leverage to spin him around and backwards like that. The lever-arms and effort required seems all wrong. I don’t think that even Paul Anderson could spin him around like that given all those constraints. He seemed to be pulled from behind, maybe like his belt was being tugged or something.

    It’s an interesting physics problem, in addition to the obvious legal issues…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  24. 24.

    NotMax

    @Major Major Major Major

    Noticed you asking about something to watch on Netflix yesterday.

    Based on what I’ve gleaned (or guessed, or am just hallucinating) from some of your posts over time, thought long and hard about something to possibly pique your interest (and also be well produced and well written, natch).

    Concluded you might well enjoy watching Copper. May be way off base, but there it is.

  25. 25.

    Howard Beale IV

    Sounds like its high-time to start watching the national news from NBC, CBS and ABC and start to threaten their OTA FCC licenses if these sycophants keep playing footsies with the campaigns.

  27. 27.

    Kay

    I wondered about this- some share of self-identified Democrats vote in the GOP primaries every year, but all I heard was how many were voting this year so I wondered why they didn’t just compare from 2012:

    Public Opinion Strategies calculated this week that self-identified Republicans have cast 67 percent of the votes through the entire GOP primary this year. That’s virtually unchanged from 68 percent in 2012. Democrats have cast four percent of the votes in GOP primaries so far, unchanged from 2012. Among independents, the share of the vote has increased minimally from 28 percent in 2008 to 29 percent last time. That suggests while Trump can legitimately claim credit for increasing participation, he appears to be turning out Republican-leaning voters who did not vote in the 2012 primaries, and perhaps earlier too.
    The pattern of Trump’s support also undermines the idea that he has significantly relied on voters outside of the Republican coalition. Trump has captured 12 of the 15 states in which exit polls have been conducted. In all 12 of those states, Trump has led all of his rivals among voters who identified as Republicans. In none of those states has Trump drawn a significantly higher share of the vote among independents than he did among Republicans. In Georgia, New Hampshire, Tennessee, and Mississippi he won exactly the same share of the vote with both groups. And when the two groups diverged, Trump frequently won a higher share of the vote among Republicans than independents—as he did in Virginia, Alabama, and Vermont.
    Rather than relying on independents or Democratic crossovers, Trump has accelerated away from his rivals by dominating them among Republican voters without a college degree, while remaining competitive among the party’s white-collar wing.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): The guy in the black jacket with the red piping has been reported to be one of Trump’s (now plain clothes) private security guys. Provided that reporting bears out, both sets of hands put on this individual were by people in Trump’s employ.

  31. 31.

    Mnemosyne

    @ruemara:
    @Prescott Cactus:
    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Thanks, all. I think it’s going to be more awkward than anything else. What kind of conversation does one make with the ultrasound technician? I’m assuming it’s going to be a woman, because it would be super awkward to have a guy there.

    At least I have the entire Hamilton soundtrack memorized and can entertain myself with mind music if necessary.
    ;-)

  33. 33.

    amk

    Other than the shitshow called gop, there are important momentous things happening around the world.

  39. 39.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Adam L Silverman: I am shocked, as I’m sure you are. There have been reports that he’s got security in plain clothes to mingle and better remove protesters.
    It still looks to me as if buzzcut slings plaid man over to the red/black security guy.

  40. 40.

    PurpleGirl

    I was sad when Trump bought the Mar-A-Lago estate of Marjorie Merriweather Post. His first plans for it was to subdivide the grounds and build mansions on the parcels. Palm Beach wouldn’t let him do this so he turned the estate into a country club and built a gold course on it.

    ETA: Her Long Island estate in Greenvale was bought by Long Island University for the campus of their C.W. Post College. The former manor house is used for administrative offices and certain public rooms remain the same as when she lived there.

  48. 48.

    Prescott Cactus

    @Mnemosyne:

    Thanks, all. I think it’s going to be more awkward than anything else.

    Hoping for lightning fast results that put your mind at ease. Sorry you can’t use the experience to squeeze it into your book.

  49. 49.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @Adam L Silverman: My dad went to the same high school that Paul went to. I never met him, but heard a little about him as a kid. He was pretty strong. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  51. 51.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Adam L Silverman: However, the Politico story seems a little thin. I spent a few minutes with the Google machine, and there was a piece in Lewandowski’s hometown (Lowell, MA) paper last year about signing on with Trump which describes his education and employment fairly thoroughly, with no mention of NH police in any form. Like I said above, I can’t help thinking that there’s material for someone to commit journalism on.

    But not me, as I’m racking out.

  54. 54.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Mnemosyne: I do hope it’s a happy ultrasound outcome. Not a clue how you do small talk with a tech. But I once had to have some, post op bleeding addressed, and my (male doc) while watching for success and without standing up from his seat, said “what do you think of the Reds’ pitching this year?” That’s when you know you’ve been seeing a doc for a long time.

    @Adam L Silverman: I’m happy to read your more educated take was the same. Buzzcut is faster to type – and spell – than the thug’s name. : )

  57. 57.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The fact that this is a known fact is why the mask is slipping, and why these networks will live to regret that they allowed this. They want to be taken seriously, and they have forfeited all their credibility. I thought their Iraq war cheerleading did it, but Trump isn’t a war president – he’s a vulgar lying buffoon they sold their black souls to, for nothing.

  60. 60.

    Mike J

    @Kay: Remember, if you say 30,00 people it sounds like a big round number you might have made up. If you say 29,000, it sounds exact and scientifical.

  61. 61.

    Culture of Truth

    “We used to fact-check everything, every day,” another reporter told me, “but it gets hard to keep up.”

    oh bull shit. they never did

    Trump knew this loophole and drove right through it

  63. 63.

    Keith P.

    Anyone know what’s going on with Last Man on Earth? The mid season just started two weeks ago, but it looks like there aren’t any more episodes for another two weeks. If that’s the case, why not just delay the mid-season for two weeks and avoid breaking it again?

  66. 66.

    Eric S.

    OT: Just got home from dinner and a play. We saw the 5.5 hour long play 2666 based on a novel of the same name by Roberto Bolaño. It revolves around the mass killings of women in Juarez, Mexico starting in the 1990s. (A far cry from the musicals The Lady prefers.) It was excellent.

  67. 67.

    Central Planning

    @Mnemosyne:

    I get to have an ultrasound of my boobs tomorrow.

    I think some of us here could do a remote diagnostic for you. Send pics!

    @Mnemosyne:

    What kind of conversation does one make with the ultrasound technician?

    “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours” ?

    I had an older woman do an ultrasound of my testicles when one didn’t seem right. Talk about 20 minutes of awkwardness! Fortunately, it was worth it – cancer in one. Took it out and I’m free and clear. The alternative would have been much worse than that 20 minutes ;) Also glad I have built-in redundancy!

  69. 69.

    TheMightyTrowel

    @Mnemosyne: This is because you’re a Hamilton nut: I was flicking through fbook last night looking at pix from a friend’s wedding (that I couldn’t go to because Australia) when a rather familiar face popped up. Turns out the groom talked one of his closest high school friends into DJing the reception… Lin-Manuel Miranda.

  70. 70.

    Aleta

    @Mnemosyne:

    What kind of conversation does one make with the ultrasound technician?

    Ask her if she has any ultrasound jokes . Ask if it’s true that they might try ultrasound as a way to break up plaques in the Alzheimer- infested brain.

    Good wishes to you

  71. 71.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Mnemosyne: Feel free to use my example to start small talk, perhaps with the Dodgers as the team. : )

  73. 73.

    Central Planning

    @Mnemosyne:

    What kind of conversation does one make with the ultrasound technician?

    One more: what’s the weirdest thing you’ve seen on an ultrasound?

    ETA: Don’t forget to report back what they say!

  78. 78.

    AkaDad

    My advice, as a Trump supporter, would be to start using attack dogs and fire hoses. It worked in the past.

  81. 81.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It’s really a shame that the Big Five (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX) don’t have a gut or a spine among them. If they would only agree among themselves to give a joint “fuck you” to Trump’s demands (restricted to press pen, no cutaways, etc.) and simply refuse to provide any coverage for a day or two, the Donald would find very soon that his campaign cannot survive without the oxygen of almost constant coverage. But they never will, because scorpions.

  82. 82.

    MomSense

    @Larime:
    I don’t see how they take the nom away from Trump,assuming he has the required number of delegates, without the convention turning into riots.

  84. 84.

    Prescott Cactus

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I would think that would be painful.

    I think’s she’s got me beat !

    @Mnemosyne:

    They actually used to surgically excise breast tumors in those pre-anesthesia days, but it’s a little too gruesome for the kind of book I’m writing

  85. 85.

    Davebo

    @SiubhanDuinne

    What would be the objective? I want Donald on all the time!

    Like it or not, he’s news and they cover the news. I say keep exposing him from now till November.

    If it tanks him, great. If it doesn’t, then we were always screwed by an idiotic electorate.

  89. 89.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Davebo:

    Sure, but why should he be the only candidate to dictate what camera angles the press may or may not take? If they just quit covering him for a day or two it would disconcert him enough that he’d almost have to make some concessions in order to ensure continued air time.

    Art of the Deal.

  91. 91.

    sukabi

    @Kay: “constant lying getting to them”

    Well maybe if they refuse to print his lies, and only print the true things he or anyone else says (and letting readers/viewers know what’s bullshit) they won’t be using up all the air time or print space with the asshat, and we can get on to something more substantive than building walls, and wetting our beds every ten minutes.

  92. 92.

    Redshift

    @Mike J:

    Remember, if you say 30,00 people it sounds like a big round number you might have made up. If you say 29,000, it sounds exact and scientifical.

    Joe McCarthy knew that very well.

  93. 93.

    Adam L Silverman

    @SiubhanDuinne: Why should they? The people that make the decisions at the networks care about one thing: profit. As long as they can put eyeballs on advertising they’re happy. Trump provides lots of eyeballs.

  95. 95.

    PurpleGirl

    @TheMightyTrowel: Cybil Shepard took the 2-term Shakespeare Survey the year I did. She was very low-key and tended to sit in the back of the lecture hall. A couple of my guy friends heard she was in my class and wanted me to tell them when the class was so they could come and look at her. I refused. As far as I know no one followed me to class. She wanted to be a serious student and I understood that. The 2-term Shakespeare class was the harder class and covered almost all his works.

  96. 96.

    BubbaDave

    @hellslittlestangel:

    Sounds like there’s a Night of the Long Knives in Lewandowski’s future.

    Are you suggesting that Il Douche has a small knife? Because he’ll assure you it’s long. Yuuuge even. And classy — very sharp, everybody wishes they had a knife like his, it’s just the best….

  98. 98.

    NotoriousJRT

    @Mnemosyne:
    It is not fun but I have not found them to be painful. I did have the doctor (male) take the wand from the technician (female) with the directive, “Let me drive,” though. Good luck!

  99. 99.

    Amir Khalid

    @Larime:
    @MomSense:
    I agree with Larime. The Donald already has a plurality. Betting on Ted Cruz, who currently has less than two-thirds his delegate count, to beat him before Cleveland, is a long shot. If the Donald shows up at the convention as the only candidate even close to a delegate majority, he’ll demand the nomination. If the party is afraid enough of him, he’ll get it. If not, what he’ll unleash upon it won’t be pretty; it might even damage the party very badly for November. But Donald won’t care.

  100. 100.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    If they would only agree among themselves to give a joint “fuck you” to Trump’s demands (restricted to press pen, no cutaways, etc.) and simply refuse to provide any coverage for a day or two

    One problem is that their profit and loss forecasts depend upon selling commercial time during election season — and yeah, I know, election season is every season, but debates and primary result nights are cash cows, just as general election season will be big for local affiliates. This massive redistribution of wealth from campaign donors to media conglomerates is one of the things that will kill American politics dead.

  101. 101.

    Prescott Cactus

    @PurpleGirl:

    took the 2-term Shakespeare Survey the year I did

    Are you active in Shakespeare now ? Hitting Ashland and Cedar City this year.

    Any suggestions of great companies to visit ?

  103. 103.

    wenchacha

    @Mnemosyne: I recall a similar procedure being pretty low-key. Likely there are one or two spots where the tech will concentrate on for the best image.

    As far as awkward: the nurse who always does my mammograms has the absolute sunniest, happiest, sweetest almost unreal countenance. She is just a little too cheerful in a weird sort of way, and a soft, high-pitched voice to boot. No complaints about her at all, but her manner is quite unusual.

    I wish you the best.

  104. 104.

    PurpleGirl

    @Prescott Cactus: No, I’m not. In fact it’s been some time since I read any of his work. I still have most of the books from the class, especially the complete works volume. The junior high I went to had an annual trip to the Shakespeare Festival in Connecticut. We’d read the play before hand and then see the play.

  105. 105.

    Matt McIrvin

    It seems like the impending-Hillary-indictment chatter is really heating up in the right-wing and allegedly-neutral political media. Can’t tell if this is because of anything in particular.

  110. 110.

    Cthulhu

    @Mnemosyne: Positive thoughts directed your way. I had a similar situation a few years back: my PCP sent me for scans based on his physical exam. Risk was low which I knew from personal research but still gnawed at me despite my best rationalizing. Didn’t help that the initial nurse at the world renowned medical center somehow failed on the IV placement for the contrast even though my veins are very easy normally. By the end of it, I needed a drink. Still the final non-results were exactly as expected. So try to keep in mind, if everyone is acting like it is nothing it is almost certainly nothing.

    On an unrelated topic, we should have another BJ meet-up in Burbank…

  111. 111.

    The Pale Scot

    @Kay:

    “We used to fact-check everything, every day,” another reporter told me, “but it gets hard to keep up.”

    Stay tuned for a report about journalists on hallucinogenics reminiscing about previous hallucinations at 11

  112. 112.

    Suzanne

    @Mnemosyne: If they find a heartbeat, don’t freak out—it’s just yours.

    I didn’t know they were doing boob ultrasounds now. I’d much prefer that to the annual grope.

  113. 113.

    Prescott Cactus

    @Mnemosyne:

    Have you seen any of the stuff about them starting to do the plays in a new accent they’re calling original pronunciation, or OP?

    No never heard of it, but will definitely do so. Sounds cool.

    We do a long weekend to LA on occasion to catch Brad Colerick & Wine & Song, a weekly music “fest” he puts together in South Pass. Will try and catch a performance of the Independent Shakespeare Company and thank you upon return.

  114. 114.

    Mnemosyne

    @Cthulhu:

    Oh, geez, now I’m going to have to wear a turtleneck to the next GTG, aren’t I?

    (I keed, I keed — I’ve met all you guys before and I know you’re too polite to stare.)

  115. 115.

    Mnemosyne

    @Suzanne:

    This is a follow-up to the regular mammogram, so I have to do both. Apparently they only do an ultrasound for follow-ups.

    Also, I don’t know if you saw my comment in the other thread, but has Spawn ever been screened for autism spectrum disorder (what they used to refer to as Asperger’s)? It manifests a little differently in girls, and something about how you described her social anxiety made me think of my niece, who wasn’t diagnosed until she was in middle school. It’s worth getting the extra screening to rule it out if she hasn’t.

  116. 116.

    Prescott Cactus

    @Mnemosyne: Listened to full video on OP. Thank you kindly !

    The only “new” thing that I’ve come across lately with Shakespeare is that some more established companies have recently committed to doing all (37 or 38) of his plays in the next 10 year years, giving you a chance to see them all. Titus Andronicus, Troilus and Cressida, Coriolanus, Cymbeline and Timon of Athens don’t often draw enough to open the concession stands.

  117. 117.

    akryan

    I saw the video of the guy in the flag shirt getting beat up. Damn. That dude got his. ass. beat.

  118. 118.

    Prescott Cactus

    @akryan:

    I saw the video of the guy in the flag shirt getting beat up. Damn. That dude got his. ass. beat.

    He did a interview afterwards and seemed no worse for the whooping. When they perp was giving him the boots, it makes you think the worst.

  120. 120.

    NR

    @Davebo: To be fair to Redstate (I can’t believe I just said that), they haven’t just been hitting the refrain of “Trump’s not conservative” over and over again. I mean, they’ve been saying that a lot, but they’ve also been calling out his fascistic tendencies, his blatant over-the-top lies, and his incitements to violence.

    It’ll be interesting to see if they end up supporting him in the fall.

  121. 121.

    Aimai

    @Mnemosyne: My daughter is really into OP and ive watched several videos with her. Fascinating! We just finished seeing Pericles at Theater For a New Audience in a gorgeous theater in New York. Best of luck with the ultrasound. Plan yourself a treat for after. Im sure it wont be physically or socially uncomfortable. I’ve always found techs to be very gentle and gracious.

  122. 122.

    prob50

    @Redshift:

    Remember, if you say 30,00 people it sounds like a big round number you might have made up. If you say 29,000, it sounds exact and scientifical.
    Joe McCarthy knew that very well.

    Except Tail-Gunner Joe liked to use precise sounding made-up numbers, such as, “We’ve discovered 378 Communists working in the State Department”. If questioned the questioner might find his own loyalty being questioned.

  124. 124.

    Lurking Canadian

    @Mike J: it’s a shame Wagner’s not available. If he were scoring it, Harrison could be the whole presidency in real time

  125. 125.

    J R in WV

    @wenchacha:

    Mrs J had an echocardiogram, which is the fancy name for an untrasound of your heart beating. They detected a protein in her blood work that could have indicated a heart attack, but she wasn’t strong enough for a heart cath at the time. It was a guy, and he worked the wand all over her chest in the process. Very professional – I got to watch. He had a “Huuge” flat panel display on the cart which carried all his equipment, and we could see every squirm of her not-atttacked heart pumping away.

    All the time she was in ICU (over 3 weeks) I was in there with her all day every day except one, when a rotating nurse (the only female nurse involved with her care) dissed me out into the ICU waiting room. I asked her to call me when we was finished with whatever “WORK” she was going to do with Mrs J and she just left at the end of her shift. Never spoke to me again. Never saw her again, which was a good thing, as I would have filed a complaint if I learned her name.

  126. 126.

    Citizen_X

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    I don’t see how he would have enough leverage to spin him around and backwards like that.

    He pulls the guy off balance; once you do that, you have a lever whose fulcrum is your opponent’s center of mass, and becomes very easy to send the person anywhere you want. Getting a person off-balance is a basic setup to many (most? all?) martial arts takedowns and throws.

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