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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2016 / Open Thread: Media v Corey Lewandowski

Open Thread: Media v Corey Lewandowski

by Anne Laurie|  March 20, 201610:26 pm| 127 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Hillary Clinton 2016, Open Threads, Assholes, Our Failed Media Experiment, Outrage

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Video shows Trump's campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, grabbing protester in Tucson: https://t.co/USK35hsGYy

— Kurtis Lee (@kurtisalee) March 20, 2016

Statement from Trump campaign RE video of campaign manager grabbing protestors collar. pic.twitter.com/jzqK5ZwQFk

— Jacqueline Alemany (@JaxAlemany) March 20, 2016

Trump applauds Lewandowski's "spirit" for yanking protester's collar, then denies it happened. It did. On tape:https://t.co/Sh3ZzacPt6

— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) March 20, 2016

My lace-curtain-Irish grandmother, faced with an uncooperative store clerk or a dilatory office assistant, would announce “Like man, like master!” in her most carrying tones. Certain members of the media (too much of which gave Trump a free pass as long as it was only protestors being roughed up) seem to be turning on the Donald’s campaign manager, now that he’s literally manhandled a female Breitbart reporter…

Reporting @CLewandowski_ grabbing protester as a "he said/she said" event sums up everything wrong with how press covers Trump.

— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) March 20, 2016

This guy wearing a US flag shirt got the crap beat out of him at Trump rally in Tucson. https://t.co/0XFulqogt7 pic.twitter.com/OSKg3KCyzP

— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) March 20, 2016

When someone does something caught on video & lies about it, it's a story about lying not about how 2 sides disagree about what happened.

— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) March 20, 2016

Teach the controversy… https://t.co/dCn0PZg785

— Ta-Nehisi Coates (@tanehisicoates) March 20, 2016

Chris Lehmann, at The Baffler, has the best succinct report on “The Breitbart Betrayals”:

…Over at Breitbart News—the gaudy home to the most truth-challenged persecution manias on the American right—the alleged physical assault of campaign reporter Michelle Fields by Trump campaign manager (and all-around thug) Corey Lewandowski was far from a call to arms; it was, rather, a call to roll over and whimper. News of the attack—which has since prompted Fields to file criminal charges against the Trump apparatchik—failed to spark any robust protest from Breitbart managers on behalf of their reporter. What’s more, the Breitbart operation—which has essentially doubled as a PR arm of the Trump campaign this primary season—published a report disputing the testimony of both Fields and Washington Post reporter Ben Terris, who confirmed (according to audio transcripts of the episode) that it was Lewandowski who had gone after the Breitbart scribe. Sure, Fields was grabbed by her arm and pushed roughly backward, the Breitbart post grudgingly conceded—but then went on to contend that video footage of the incident suggested that it wasn’t Lewandowski doing the actual manhandling…

… The perfect coda to Lewandowski’s tour through the sanitized right-wing news cycle came on Trump’s Tuesday night celebration of his latest round of primary victories at the candidate’s gilded Mar-a-Lago compound: his campaign manager was marshaled on stage behind him, and Trump singled him out for special praise; by the end of the GOP frontrunner’s performance, Lewandowski—a man facing criminal assault charges filed by a reporter—was chortling and clapping along as Trump was denouncing the reporters on site as “really disgusting people.” Never has a multimillion-dollar resort felt quite so much like a Weimar beerhall…

The speed with which Trumpbots switch from "Corey never touched him" to "yeah Corey assaulted him but he deserved it" is impressive

— Conn Carroll (@conncarroll) March 20, 2016

"I told Sheriff Arpaio to look into this and you won't believe what he's discovered. Someone might have cloned Corey to embarrass me. Sad!"

— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) March 20, 2016

.@realDonaldTrump on his campaign mgr Lewandowski in crowd engaging protesters: "I give him credit for having spirit" @ThisWeekABC #thiswk

— Shushannah Walshe (@shushwalshe) March 20, 2016

Gonna be interesting to see whether Lewandowski continues on his chosen path, or if The Donald will decide his man is stealing too much of the limelight from the master…

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    March 20, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    Nothing surprises me with these clowns. Nothing at all.

  2. 2.

    dmsilev

    March 20, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    I’ve seen this movie before. Always there are two, master and apprentice, and the apprentice will at some point stick a metaphorical knife in Master’s back.

  3. 3.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 20, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    Nothing surprises me either. It’s pretty clear that Lewandowski grabs the guy in the plaid shirt by the collar and spins him around to the guy in red piped black. I’m embarrassed to admit how many times I watched that tape to be sure what I thought was clear was in fact clear.

  4. 4.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 20, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    McKay Coppins at Buzzfeed:

    Me: “I’m going to work tonight.” 3-year-old: “OK but daddy, don’t let Donald Trump get you.”

    twitter is interesting tonight, with media figures like Chuckles starting to sidle up to the fact that treating Trump differently – like letting him call in to their shows – may, just may, have contributed to building the Frankenstein monster that may be threatening their careers. If they don’t care about the rest of us, they at least do care about their careers.

  5. 5.

    Mnemosyne

    March 20, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    I get to have an ultrasound of my boobs tomorrow. I think it will be even less fun than it sounds like it would be. This is apparently a precautionary diagnostic based on my anatomy and family history and not due to anything on my mammogram, but it’s still a little nerve-wracking. The fact that they made me wait 3 weeks for an appointment makes me feel a little more confident that it really is just a precaution.

  6. 6.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 20, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    There was some discussion on one of last night’s threads about this guy Lewandowski and his resume, and I think Adam was saying he’d read that the guy was in the NH State Police for a year. I was left thinking “there’s a story there.” I don’t know about NH, but in RI becoming a State Police officer is a long, hard slog, but for a job that has good pay and benefits and is reasonably prestigious for a lot of people. The kind of people who aim for that and make it through the program don’t leave after a year for an uncertain future in political campaigns.

  7. 7.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 20, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Pics or it didn’t happen.

  8. 8.

    hellslittlestangel

    March 20, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    Sounds like there’s a Night of the Long Knives in Lewandowski’s future.

  9. 9.

    Culture of Truth

    March 20, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    At some point the clever Daniel Drezner is just going to have to leave the Republican party.

  10. 10.

    Mnemosyne

    March 20, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    That genuinely made me laugh out loud, so thanks for that. I needed it.
    :-)

  11. 11.

    Keith P.

    March 20, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    @dmsilev: That’ll be right around the time Corey figures out he’s gonna be paying his own legal bills.

  12. 12.

    Kay

    March 20, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    The constant lying is getting to them:

    The hokum washes over you after a while. A reporter sitting next to me at the Saturday rally in Cleveland chuckled when Trump bragged there were 29,000 people in the room. “That can’t be remotely possible,” she said, lifting her head for a moment to assess the crowd, then giving up and returning her gaze to her laptop. A fire marshal later announced the attendance had been about 7,000. The lie, though, never made it into her piece. Why bother to spend the time and column space to correct a silly exaggeration, when this same man has said he might want to summarily execute enemy combatants and defile their bodies? You need to pick your battles.
    “We used to fact-check everything, every day,” another reporter told me, “but it gets hard to keep up.”

  13. 13.

    Major Major Major Major

    March 20, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    UGHHHHHHHHH that is all. I now return to my regularly scheduled sandwich.

  14. 14.

    ruemara

    March 20, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @Mnemosyne: May your boobies be squished but healthy.

  15. 15.

    scav

    March 20, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    Judging by the way they throw reporters into hurricanes etc, it doesn’t seem the networks et al will lose any sleep about throwing them into the Trump campaign. Makes for good visuals, and more than half the audience is hoping for injuries.

  16. 16.

    Jake Nelson

    March 20, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @efgoldman: Every state I know of. Even if you decide patrol/etc is too rough for you, time as an actual officer is a huge leg up in getting evidence dept and filing positions, which are really sweet deals by most people’s standards. You give that up, yeah, I think there’s a reason.

  17. 17.

    Larime

    March 20, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    This is why all the stop-him-at-the-convention stories are missing a big problem:

    He’ll let his people burn it to the fucking ground.

    Any attempt to try to swing the nomination to someone else when he has the most delegates will result in full anarchy.

    Cleveland, I’m so sorry.

  18. 18.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 20, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @efgoldman:

    The mask on the media’s failure is slipping. I know I’ve thought this before and have been disappointed, but something is different about the MSM playing along with this particular dumpster fire. Trump is a disruptor, but not just of the GOP. There’s only so much bullshit that can be peddled in the age of twitter.

  19. 19.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 20, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Wasn’t sure that would work; glad it did.

  20. 20.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    March 20, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Looking at it again, yeah, he did do some tugging on his collar (or some sorta strap across the top of his back). But I don’t see how he would have enough leverage to spin him around and backwards like that. The lever-arms and effort required seems all wrong. I don’t think that even Paul Anderson could spin him around like that given all those constraints. He seemed to be pulled from behind, maybe like his belt was being tugged or something.

    It’s an interesting physics problem, in addition to the obvious legal issues…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  21. 21.

    Prescott Cactus

    March 20, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I get to have an ultrasound of my boobs tomorrow.

    BEST of luck and thanks for the reminder !

  22. 22.

    hellslittlestangel

    March 20, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Maybe Lewandowski became a state trooper the same way Mitt Romney did: by buying a uniform.

  23. 23.

    schrodinger's cat

    March 20, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Its actually much less painful than the mammograms. Ouchies. Good luck!

  24. 24.

    NotMax

    March 20, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @Major Major Major Major

    Noticed you asking about something to watch on Netflix yesterday.

    Based on what I’ve gleaned (or guessed, or am just hallucinating) from some of your posts over time, thought long and hard about something to possibly pique your interest (and also be well produced and well written, natch).

    Concluded you might well enjoy watching Copper. May be way off base, but there it is.

  25. 25.

    Howard Beale IV

    March 20, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    Sounds like its high-time to start watching the national news from NBC, CBS and ABC and start to threaten their OTA FCC licenses if these sycophants keep playing footsies with the campaigns.

  26. 26.

    lamh36

    March 20, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    Shocking….

    @Taniel
    I’m shocked, shocked. Nothing could have prepared us for this revelation.
    Man who pulled protester revealed as Trump security
    The campaign had shifted blame to unidentified man, without identifying him as member of its security team.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-security-tucson-221007 …

  27. 27.

    Kay

    March 20, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    I wondered about this- some share of self-identified Democrats vote in the GOP primaries every year, but all I heard was how many were voting this year so I wondered why they didn’t just compare from 2012:

    Public Opinion Strategies calculated this week that self-identified Republicans have cast 67 percent of the votes through the entire GOP primary this year. That’s virtually unchanged from 68 percent in 2012. Democrats have cast four percent of the votes in GOP primaries so far, unchanged from 2012. Among independents, the share of the vote has increased minimally from 28 percent in 2008 to 29 percent last time. That suggests while Trump can legitimately claim credit for increasing participation, he appears to be turning out Republican-leaning voters who did not vote in the 2012 primaries, and perhaps earlier too.
    The pattern of Trump’s support also undermines the idea that he has significantly relied on voters outside of the Republican coalition. Trump has captured 12 of the 15 states in which exit polls have been conducted. In all 12 of those states, Trump has led all of his rivals among voters who identified as Republicans. In none of those states has Trump drawn a significantly higher share of the vote among independents than he did among Republicans. In Georgia, New Hampshire, Tennessee, and Mississippi he won exactly the same share of the vote with both groups. And when the two groups diverged, Trump frequently won a higher share of the vote among Republicans than independents—as he did in Virginia, Alabama, and Vermont.
    Rather than relying on independents or Democratic crossovers, Trump has accelerated away from his rivals by dominating them among Republican voters without a college degree, while remaining competitive among the party’s white-collar wing.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): The guy in the black jacket with the red piping has been reported to be one of Trump’s (now plain clothes) private security guys. Provided that reporting bears out, both sets of hands put on this individual were by people in Trump’s employ.

  29. 29.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: its been reported that Trump has directly negotiated how he is to be covered by at least two of the networks.

  30. 30.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I provided the link to the Politico story that reported it out.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-corey-lewandowski-220742

  31. 31.

    Mnemosyne

    March 20, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @ruemara:
    @Prescott Cactus:
    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Thanks, all. I think it’s going to be more awkward than anything else. What kind of conversation does one make with the ultrasound technician? I’m assuming it’s going to be a woman, because it would be super awkward to have a guy there.

    At least I have the entire Hamilton soundtrack memorized and can entertain myself with mind music if necessary.
    ;-)

  32. 32.

    Howard Beale IV

    March 20, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: You got a source for that? If it’s one of the OTA networks that’s good enough to get the Federal Candy Company mighty interested.

  33. 33.

    amk

    March 20, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    Other than the shitshow called gop, there are important momentous things happening around the world.

  34. 34.

    Major Major Major Major

    March 20, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @NotMax: Shucks, why not? Thanks!

    Uh, once I have free time at the end of the month :-|
    Last night was a fluke of free time and I ended up wasting it working and hanging out here >.<
    Soon, haha.

  35. 35.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 20, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Didn’t mean to imply you’d made it up, but it was late last night and I’m lazy tonight.

  36. 36.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    March 20, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @lamh36: Thanks for the pointer.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  37. 37.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @efgoldman: Here’s the specific quote from the article:

    After taking a break from professional politics to work as a New Hampshire state police officer, Lewandowski, who sports a buzz cut, hooked up with the Koch-backed Americans for Prosperity, which prides itself on being independent from the Republican establishment in Washington.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-corey-lewandowski-220742#ixzz43VIz6WO7

  38. 38.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: That’s a big boy. I’m an inch to an inch and a half taller, but he’s got 100 lbs on me.

  39. 39.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 20, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I am shocked, as I’m sure you are. There have been reports that he’s got security in plain clothes to mingle and better remove protesters.
    It still looks to me as if buzzcut slings plaid man over to the red/black security guy.

  40. 40.

    PurpleGirl

    March 20, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    I was sad when Trump bought the Mar-A-Lago estate of Marjorie Merriweather Post. His first plans for it was to subdivide the grounds and build mansions on the parcels. Palm Beach wouldn’t let him do this so he turned the estate into a country club and built a gold course on it.

    ETA: Her Long Island estate in Greenvale was bought by Long Island University for the campus of their C.W. Post College. The former manor house is used for administrative offices and certain public rooms remain the same as when she lived there.

  41. 41.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @NotMax: Copper is excellent! I was very upset when it didn’t get a third season.

  42. 42.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @lamh36: Thank you, now I don’t have to go and pull the link.

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @Howard Beale IV: Here you go
    http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/03/18/buzzfeeds-kyle-blaine-reports-internal-network/209396

    Link to the original reporting in the link above. Its unclear if its broadcast or cable that he dictated terms to.

  44. 44.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 20, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Tag close fail in original and second attempt. So much for being witty. Internetting wrong, I can do it.

  45. 45.

    catclub

    March 20, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @amk: I have become worried about the Mosul Dam, fer example.

  46. 46.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: No worries, I didn’t take it that way.

  47. 47.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Buzz cut is Lewandowski. And that was my take as well.

  48. 48.

    Prescott Cactus

    March 20, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Thanks, all. I think it’s going to be more awkward than anything else.

    Hoping for lightning fast results that put your mind at ease. Sorry you can’t use the experience to squeeze it into your book.

  49. 49.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    March 20, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: My dad went to the same high school that Paul went to. I never met him, but heard a little about him as a kid. He was pretty strong. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  50. 50.

    NotMax

    March 20, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    OT: Seeing as the day of the equinox is almost history for easterners, repeating for late night crowd.

    Buh-bye, winter.

    The Horrors, First Day of Spring.

  51. 51.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 20, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: However, the Politico story seems a little thin. I spent a few minutes with the Google machine, and there was a piece in Lewandowski’s hometown (Lowell, MA) paper last year about signing on with Trump which describes his education and employment fairly thoroughly, with no mention of NH police in any form. Like I said above, I can’t help thinking that there’s material for someone to commit journalism on.

    But not me, as I’m racking out.

  52. 52.

    PurpleGirl

    March 20, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Sounds like a good idea. Enjoy. (What kind of sammich is it, if I may ask.)

  53. 53.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @Prescott Cactus: I would think that would be painful.

  54. 54.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 20, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I do hope it’s a happy ultrasound outcome. Not a clue how you do small talk with a tech. But I once had to have some, post op bleeding addressed, and my (male doc) while watching for success and without standing up from his seat, said “what do you think of the Reds’ pitching this year?” That’s when you know you’ve been seeing a doc for a long time.

    @Adam L Silverman: I’m happy to read your more educated take was the same. Buzzcut is faster to type – and spell – than the thug’s name. : )

  55. 55.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Ya think?

  56. 56.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 20, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: You asked for a citation, I provided it. I am merely the messenger.

    And yes, its thin reporting.

  57. 57.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    March 20, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The fact that this is a known fact is why the mask is slipping, and why these networks will live to regret that they allowed this. They want to be taken seriously, and they have forfeited all their credibility. I thought their Iraq war cheerleading did it, but Trump isn’t a war president – he’s a vulgar lying buffoon they sold their black souls to, for nothing.

  58. 58.

    Peale

    March 20, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @Kay: I don’t know if that is good or bad.

  59. 59.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    March 20, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    At least I have the entire Hamilton soundtrack memorized

    Really, I’m shocked!

  60. 60.

    Mike J

    March 20, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @Kay: Remember, if you say 30,00 people it sounds like a big round number you might have made up. If you say 29,000, it sounds exact and scientifical.

  61. 61.

    Culture of Truth

    March 20, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    “We used to fact-check everything, every day,” another reporter told me, “but it gets hard to keep up.”

    oh bull shit. they never did

    Trump knew this loophole and drove right through it

  62. 62.

    PurpleGirl

    March 20, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @Larime: If you’re still here: How is your wife doing?

  63. 63.

    Keith P.

    March 20, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    Anyone know what’s going on with Last Man on Earth? The mid season just started two weeks ago, but it looks like there aren’t any more episodes for another two weeks. If that’s the case, why not just delay the mid-season for two weeks and avoid breaking it again?

  64. 64.

    Major Major Major Major

    March 20, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @PurpleGirl: Italian? Y’know, with the peppers and onions and meat stuff. Whatever it is the sandwich guy at the corner makes.

  65. 65.

    Mnemosyne

    March 20, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @Prescott Cactus:

    They actually used to surgically excise breast tumors in those pre-anesthesia days, but it’s a little too gruesome for the kind of book I’m writing.

  66. 66.

    Eric S.

    March 20, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    OT: Just got home from dinner and a play. We saw the 5.5 hour long play 2666 based on a novel of the same name by Roberto Bolaño. It revolves around the mass killings of women in Juarez, Mexico starting in the 1990s. (A far cry from the musicals The Lady prefers.) It was excellent.

  67. 67.

    Central Planning

    March 20, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I get to have an ultrasound of my boobs tomorrow.

    I think some of us here could do a remote diagnostic for you. Send pics!

    @Mnemosyne:

    What kind of conversation does one make with the ultrasound technician?

    “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours” ?

    I had an older woman do an ultrasound of my testicles when one didn’t seem right. Talk about 20 minutes of awkwardness! Fortunately, it was worth it – cancer in one. Took it out and I’m free and clear. The alternative would have been much worse than that 20 minutes ;) Also glad I have built-in redundancy!

  68. 68.

    Mnemosyne

    March 20, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Even Google tells me that 90 percent of the time, they find nothing. All indications from the doctor’s office are that it’s strictly a precaution based on my family history and they don’t expect to find anything, but it’s still not a fun phone call to get.

  69. 69.

    TheMightyTrowel

    March 20, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    @Mnemosyne: This is because you’re a Hamilton nut: I was flicking through fbook last night looking at pix from a friend’s wedding (that I couldn’t go to because Australia) when a rather familiar face popped up. Turns out the groom talked one of his closest high school friends into DJing the reception… Lin-Manuel Miranda.

  70. 70.

    Aleta

    March 20, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    What kind of conversation does one make with the ultrasound technician?

    Ask her if she has any ultrasound jokes . Ask if it’s true that they might try ultrasound as a way to break up plaques in the Alzheimer- infested brain.

    Good wishes to you

  71. 71.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    March 20, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Feel free to use my example to start small talk, perhaps with the Dodgers as the team. : )

  72. 72.

    Mnemosyne

    March 20, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    I’m one degree away from the guy through several different people at work. It’s a little maddening sometimes.

  73. 73.

    Central Planning

    March 20, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    What kind of conversation does one make with the ultrasound technician?

    One more: what’s the weirdest thing you’ve seen on an ultrasound?

    ETA: Don’t forget to report back what they say!

  74. 74.

    PurpleGirl

    March 20, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Okay, thanks. As I said before, enjoy.

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    TheMightyTrowel

    March 20, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I get that. I went to uni with a bunch of plugged in show-biz sorts. It was weird then, it’s weird now.

  76. 76.

    Davebo

    March 20, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    The best part of the Trump is watching RedState explode. It’s hilarious really.

  77. 77.

    Mnemosyne

    March 20, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @TheMightyTrowel:

    You might actually know some of the people in Lin-Manuel and Vanessa’s wedding video. Hamilton fans will easily spot Thomas Kail (the show’s director) and Christopher Jackson (George Washington) among the groomsmen.

  78. 78.

    AkaDad

    March 20, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    My advice, as a Trump supporter, would be to start using attack dogs and fire hoses. It worked in the past.

  79. 79.

    Major Major Major Major

    March 20, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    @PurpleGirl: Hey, always feel free to ask me about my sandwich. What was your most recent sandwich?

  80. 80.

    Keith P.

    March 20, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @Davebo: I totally agree. Since Trump blew up, I’ve started reading the site now. it’s quite amusing,

  81. 81.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 20, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It’s really a shame that the Big Five (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX) don’t have a gut or a spine among them. If they would only agree among themselves to give a joint “fuck you” to Trump’s demands (restricted to press pen, no cutaways, etc.) and simply refuse to provide any coverage for a day or two, the Donald would find very soon that his campaign cannot survive without the oxygen of almost constant coverage. But they never will, because scorpions.

  82. 82.

    MomSense

    March 20, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @Larime:
    I don’t see how they take the nom away from Trump,assuming he has the required number of delegates, without the convention turning into riots.

  83. 83.

    Mike J

    March 21, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @Mnemosyne: Did all you Hamilton fans see the next big thing? Harrison, based on the thirty day presidency of William Henry Harrison.

  84. 84.

    Prescott Cactus

    March 21, 2016 at 12:03 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I would think that would be painful.

    I think’s she’s got me beat !

    @Mnemosyne:

    They actually used to surgically excise breast tumors in those pre-anesthesia days, but it’s a little too gruesome for the kind of book I’m writing

  85. 85.

    Davebo

    March 21, 2016 at 12:03 am

    @SiubhanDuinne

    What would be the objective? I want Donald on all the time!

    Like it or not, he’s news and they cover the news. I say keep exposing him from now till November.

    If it tanks him, great. If it doesn’t, then we were always screwed by an idiotic electorate.

  86. 86.

    Mike in NC

    March 21, 2016 at 12:04 am

    Drumpf rallies: There Will Be Blood

  87. 87.

    Mike J

    March 21, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @MomSense:

    without the convention turning into riots.

    From your lips to Her orecchiette.

  88. 88.

    Major Major Major Major

    March 21, 2016 at 12:10 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Shame that the brief period of honest-er-ish journalism in the 20th century was so short, but let’s be honest, it was an aberration…

    Peeps gonna peep.

  89. 89.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 21, 2016 at 12:10 am

    @Davebo:

    Sure, but why should he be the only candidate to dictate what camera angles the press may or may not take? If they just quit covering him for a day or two it would disconcert him enough that he’d almost have to make some concessions in order to ensure continued air time.

    Art of the Deal.

  90. 90.

    Mnemosyne

    March 21, 2016 at 12:10 am

    @Mike J:

    I don’t know if it can beat Button, though.

  91. 91.

    sukabi

    March 21, 2016 at 12:11 am

    @Kay: “constant lying getting to them”

    Well maybe if they refuse to print his lies, and only print the true things he or anyone else says (and letting readers/viewers know what’s bullshit) they won’t be using up all the air time or print space with the asshat, and we can get on to something more substantive than building walls, and wetting our beds every ten minutes.

  92. 92.

    Redshift

    March 21, 2016 at 12:13 am

    @Mike J:

    Remember, if you say 30,00 people it sounds like a big round number you might have made up. If you say 29,000, it sounds exact and scientifical.

    Joe McCarthy knew that very well.

  93. 93.

    Adam L Silverman

    March 21, 2016 at 12:15 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Why should they? The people that make the decisions at the networks care about one thing: profit. As long as they can put eyeballs on advertising they’re happy. Trump provides lots of eyeballs.

  94. 94.

    Davebo

    March 21, 2016 at 12:16 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Press pens aren’t exactly a new thing. And is there a camera angle that makes the stuff he says sound or look less crazy?

  95. 95.

    PurpleGirl

    March 21, 2016 at 12:16 am

    @TheMightyTrowel: Cybil Shepard took the 2-term Shakespeare Survey the year I did. She was very low-key and tended to sit in the back of the lecture hall. A couple of my guy friends heard she was in my class and wanted me to tell them when the class was so they could come and look at her. I refused. As far as I know no one followed me to class. She wanted to be a serious student and I understood that. The 2-term Shakespeare class was the harder class and covered almost all his works.

  96. 96.

    BubbaDave

    March 21, 2016 at 12:19 am

    @hellslittlestangel:

    Sounds like there’s a Night of the Long Knives in Lewandowski’s future.

    Are you suggesting that Il Douche has a small knife? Because he’ll assure you it’s long. Yuuuge even. And classy — very sharp, everybody wishes they had a knife like his, it’s just the best….

  97. 97.

    PurpleGirl

    March 21, 2016 at 12:20 am

    @Major Major Major Major: White bread, with turkey, bacon, and lettuce.

  98. 98.

    NotoriousJRT

    March 21, 2016 at 12:22 am

    @Mnemosyne:
    It is not fun but I have not found them to be painful. I did have the doctor (male) take the wand from the technician (female) with the directive, “Let me drive,” though. Good luck!

  99. 99.

    Amir Khalid

    March 21, 2016 at 12:25 am

    @Larime:
    @MomSense:
    I agree with Larime. The Donald already has a plurality. Betting on Ted Cruz, who currently has less than two-thirds his delegate count, to beat him before Cleveland, is a long shot. If the Donald shows up at the convention as the only candidate even close to a delegate majority, he’ll demand the nomination. If the party is afraid enough of him, he’ll get it. If not, what he’ll unleash upon it won’t be pretty; it might even damage the party very badly for November. But Donald won’t care.

  100. 100.

    pseudonymous in nc

    March 21, 2016 at 12:26 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    If they would only agree among themselves to give a joint “fuck you” to Trump’s demands (restricted to press pen, no cutaways, etc.) and simply refuse to provide any coverage for a day or two

    One problem is that their profit and loss forecasts depend upon selling commercial time during election season — and yeah, I know, election season is every season, but debates and primary result nights are cash cows, just as general election season will be big for local affiliates. This massive redistribution of wealth from campaign donors to media conglomerates is one of the things that will kill American politics dead.

  101. 101.

    Prescott Cactus

    March 21, 2016 at 12:28 am

    @PurpleGirl:

    took the 2-term Shakespeare Survey the year I did

    Are you active in Shakespeare now ? Hitting Ashland and Cedar City this year.

    Any suggestions of great companies to visit ?

  102. 102.

    James E Powell

    March 21, 2016 at 12:32 am

    @Keith P.:

    I started watching FOX news for the same reason.

  103. 103.

    wenchacha

    March 21, 2016 at 12:34 am

    @Mnemosyne: I recall a similar procedure being pretty low-key. Likely there are one or two spots where the tech will concentrate on for the best image.

    As far as awkward: the nurse who always does my mammograms has the absolute sunniest, happiest, sweetest almost unreal countenance. She is just a little too cheerful in a weird sort of way, and a soft, high-pitched voice to boot. No complaints about her at all, but her manner is quite unusual.

    I wish you the best.

  104. 104.

    PurpleGirl

    March 21, 2016 at 12:38 am

    @Prescott Cactus: No, I’m not. In fact it’s been some time since I read any of his work. I still have most of the books from the class, especially the complete works volume. The junior high I went to had an annual trip to the Shakespeare Festival in Connecticut. We’d read the play before hand and then see the play.

  105. 105.

    Matt McIrvin

    March 21, 2016 at 1:07 am

    It seems like the impending-Hillary-indictment chatter is really heating up in the right-wing and allegedly-neutral political media. Can’t tell if this is because of anything in particular.

  106. 106.

    Larime

    March 21, 2016 at 1:08 am

    @PurpleGirl: Had her final round of chemo last Monday. She’s in remission! Thank you!

  107. 107.

    Larime

    March 21, 2016 at 1:10 am

    @MomSense: My point exactly.

  108. 108.

    Mnemosyne

    March 21, 2016 at 1:13 am

    @Prescott Cactus:

    Have you seen any of the stuff about them starting to do the plays in a new accent they’re calling original pronunciation, or OP? It’s really fascinating and, more importantly, I think they’re right. Things that haven’t rhymed for the past hundred years rhyme again.

    If you’re ever in Los Angeles, the Independent Shakespeare Company gets rave reviews every summer.

  109. 109.

    Prescott Cactus

    March 21, 2016 at 1:15 am

    @Larime:

    CONGRATS ! ! !

  110. 110.

    Cthulhu

    March 21, 2016 at 1:18 am

    @Mnemosyne: Positive thoughts directed your way. I had a similar situation a few years back: my PCP sent me for scans based on his physical exam. Risk was low which I knew from personal research but still gnawed at me despite my best rationalizing. Didn’t help that the initial nurse at the world renowned medical center somehow failed on the IV placement for the contrast even though my veins are very easy normally. By the end of it, I needed a drink. Still the final non-results were exactly as expected. So try to keep in mind, if everyone is acting like it is nothing it is almost certainly nothing.

    On an unrelated topic, we should have another BJ meet-up in Burbank…

  111. 111.

    The Pale Scot

    March 21, 2016 at 1:21 am

    @Kay:

    “We used to fact-check everything, every day,” another reporter told me, “but it gets hard to keep up.”

    Stay tuned for a report about journalists on hallucinogenics reminiscing about previous hallucinations at 11

  112. 112.

    Suzanne

    March 21, 2016 at 1:32 am

    @Mnemosyne: If they find a heartbeat, don’t freak out—it’s just yours.

    I didn’t know they were doing boob ultrasounds now. I’d much prefer that to the annual grope.

  113. 113.

    Prescott Cactus

    March 21, 2016 at 1:38 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    Have you seen any of the stuff about them starting to do the plays in a new accent they’re calling original pronunciation, or OP?

    No never heard of it, but will definitely do so. Sounds cool.

    We do a long weekend to LA on occasion to catch Brad Colerick & Wine & Song, a weekly music “fest” he puts together in South Pass. Will try and catch a performance of the Independent Shakespeare Company and thank you upon return.

  114. 114.

    Mnemosyne

    March 21, 2016 at 1:49 am

    @Cthulhu:

    Oh, geez, now I’m going to have to wear a turtleneck to the next GTG, aren’t I?

    (I keed, I keed — I’ve met all you guys before and I know you’re too polite to stare.)

  115. 115.

    Mnemosyne

    March 21, 2016 at 1:52 am

    @Suzanne:

    This is a follow-up to the regular mammogram, so I have to do both. Apparently they only do an ultrasound for follow-ups.

    Also, I don’t know if you saw my comment in the other thread, but has Spawn ever been screened for autism spectrum disorder (what they used to refer to as Asperger’s)? It manifests a little differently in girls, and something about how you described her social anxiety made me think of my niece, who wasn’t diagnosed until she was in middle school. It’s worth getting the extra screening to rule it out if she hasn’t.

  116. 116.

    Prescott Cactus

    March 21, 2016 at 1:56 am

    @Mnemosyne: Listened to full video on OP. Thank you kindly !

    The only “new” thing that I’ve come across lately with Shakespeare is that some more established companies have recently committed to doing all (37 or 38) of his plays in the next 10 year years, giving you a chance to see them all. Titus Andronicus, Troilus and Cressida, Coriolanus, Cymbeline and Timon of Athens don’t often draw enough to open the concession stands.

  117. 117.

    akryan

    March 21, 2016 at 2:05 am

    I saw the video of the guy in the flag shirt getting beat up. Damn. That dude got his. ass. beat.

  118. 118.

    Prescott Cactus

    March 21, 2016 at 2:12 am

    @akryan:

    I saw the video of the guy in the flag shirt getting beat up. Damn. That dude got his. ass. beat.

    He did a interview afterwards and seemed no worse for the whooping. When they perp was giving him the boots, it makes you think the worst.

  119. 119.

    opiejeanne

    March 21, 2016 at 3:18 am

    @Mike J: That was fun.

  120. 120.

    NR

    March 21, 2016 at 3:47 am

    @Davebo: To be fair to Redstate (I can’t believe I just said that), they haven’t just been hitting the refrain of “Trump’s not conservative” over and over again. I mean, they’ve been saying that a lot, but they’ve also been calling out his fascistic tendencies, his blatant over-the-top lies, and his incitements to violence.

    It’ll be interesting to see if they end up supporting him in the fall.

  121. 121.

    Aimai

    March 21, 2016 at 3:49 am

    @Mnemosyne: My daughter is really into OP and ive watched several videos with her. Fascinating! We just finished seeing Pericles at Theater For a New Audience in a gorgeous theater in New York. Best of luck with the ultrasound. Plan yourself a treat for after. Im sure it wont be physically or socially uncomfortable. I’ve always found techs to be very gentle and gracious.

  122. 122.

    prob50

    March 21, 2016 at 4:11 am

    @Redshift:

    Remember, if you say 30,00 people it sounds like a big round number you might have made up. If you say 29,000, it sounds exact and scientifical.
    Joe McCarthy knew that very well.

    Except Tail-Gunner Joe liked to use precise sounding made-up numbers, such as, “We’ve discovered 378 Communists working in the State Department”. If questioned the questioner might find his own loyalty being questioned.

  123. 123.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 21, 2016 at 7:43 am

    @Mnemosyne: I’ve had that done. It was a really easy exam. Hope all goes well with it.

  124. 124.

    Lurking Canadian

    March 21, 2016 at 7:55 am

    @Mike J: it’s a shame Wagner’s not available. If he were scoring it, Harrison could be the whole presidency in real time

  125. 125.

    J R in WV

    March 21, 2016 at 8:48 am

    @wenchacha:

    Mrs J had an echocardiogram, which is the fancy name for an untrasound of your heart beating. They detected a protein in her blood work that could have indicated a heart attack, but she wasn’t strong enough for a heart cath at the time. It was a guy, and he worked the wand all over her chest in the process. Very professional – I got to watch. He had a “Huuge” flat panel display on the cart which carried all his equipment, and we could see every squirm of her not-atttacked heart pumping away.

    All the time she was in ICU (over 3 weeks) I was in there with her all day every day except one, when a rotating nurse (the only female nurse involved with her care) dissed me out into the ICU waiting room. I asked her to call me when we was finished with whatever “WORK” she was going to do with Mrs J and she just left at the end of her shift. Never spoke to me again. Never saw her again, which was a good thing, as I would have filed a complaint if I learned her name.

  126. 126.

    Citizen_X

    March 21, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    I don’t see how he would have enough leverage to spin him around and backwards like that.

    He pulls the guy off balance; once you do that, you have a lever whose fulcrum is your opponent’s center of mass, and becomes very easy to send the person anywhere you want. Getting a person off-balance is a basic setup to many (most? all?) martial arts takedowns and throws.

  127. 127.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    March 21, 2016 at 2:42 pm

    @Citizen_X: Ah, Ok. That’s plausible.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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