Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

We can show the world that autocracy can be defeated.

Oh FFS you might as well trust a 6-year-old with a flamethrower.

The line between political reporting and fan fiction continues to blur.

Not all heroes wear capes.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

No Kings: Americans standing in the way of bad history saying “Oh, Fuck No!”

They think we are photo bombing their nice little lives.

A norm that restrains only one side really is not a norm – it is a trap.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

I don’t recall signing up for living in a dystopian sci-fi novel.

“The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

My right to basic bodily autonomy is not on the table. that’s the new deal.

I desperately hope that, yet again, i am wrong.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. keep building.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

Oppose, oppose, oppose. do not congratulate. this is not business as usual.

These are not very smart people, and things got out of hand.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

Celebrate the fucking wins.

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Or at least, none featuring Senator Warren as VP:

In an apparent sign that Sen. Elizabeth Warren will not be named Hillary Clinton’s running mate, Warren was invited by Clinton’s campaign Tuesday to deliver a prime-time address on the first night of the Democratic convention this month — a marquee speaking slot but one that is earlier than vice-presidential picks typically appear.

Oh well. Probably for the best since we have to retake the Senate, and the wider the margin, the better.

Open thread!

[H/T: Valued commenter the Conster, la Citoyenne]

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149Comments

  1. 1.

    Corner Stone

    Warren never made sense, for a variety of reasons. I hope we can all move past this now.

  2. 2.

    aimai

    The very phrase “double nana ticket” really does me in! But I’m grateful to be able to keep my Senior Senator. Very, very, grateful.

  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    I demand Inebriated Gov Jennifer Granholm be awarded a major primetime speaking slot!

  5. 5.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Even if we didn’t have to retake the Senate — which, of course, we do — I still think Warren is much more effective there than she could ever be as VP. Another few years of retirements and tossing out Republicans, and she’ll have some serious clout, with the seniority to go with it. She can be a forceful advocate for policies where she might have to be more constrained as Vice President.

    I am certainly looking forward to her convention speech :-)

  6. 6.

    Mary G

    I’m glad. She’s kicking ass and taking names right where she is. She has more power in the Senate.

  7. 7.

    eldorado

    would love warren on the ticket in a different context, but taking back the senate is priority 1b (after getting a dem elected to president)

  10. 10.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    @Corner Stone: I agree and being the enlightened male that I am I did not notice how good she looked the last time she spoke at the convention.

  11. 11.

    gf120581

    I’m starting to think Thomas Perez gets it.

    Warren’s much more effective in the Senate anyway. With Evan Bayh’s entrance and now news that they’re trying to recruit in KS of all places, it seems like they’re really trying to run up the score there.

  14. 14.

    gf120581

    @Corner Stone: Is she playing nice now that Bernie endorsed, or is she going to be the bitter face of the BOBs? (It’s an honest question given how a lot of Turner’s slavish devotion to Sanders seems out of some bizarre vendetta she has against Hillary.)

  16. 16.

    Corner Stone

    @gf120581: It’s a mixed bag so far. She’s being pretty much a jerk about Sanders’ endorsement of HRC, and refusing to tell Tweety if or when she will herself endorse HRC.
    Seems like she’s still pretty torched about this outcome.

  17. 17.

    jnfr

    I like Nina Turner. Very happy how the Bernie and Hillary show went this afternoon.

    And I love Elizabeth Warren, and am happy to see her stay in the Senate.

  18. 18.

    JPL

    Ret. Admiral Stavridis was vetted by Hillary. This TED talk is pretty good. I assume the first part would be used as an ad. link

    The date is 2012

  19. 19.

    Baud

    I haven’t yet been invited to give a prime time address at the convention.

    Just sayin’.

  20. 20.

    Emma

    @srv: OHMYGAWD!!! Rich people give money to charitable foundations established by former presidents! News at… well, never, really.

  23. 23.

    different-church-lady

    Ah yes, the first betrayal, of endless betrayals. To the ramparts! Bernie is still a viable possibility for the nomination!

  24. 24.

    Enzymer

    I’m with you Betty, hoping for Clinton/Perez. His performance on Bill Maher & other talk shows make me think he’ll do good in debates. I have no doubts he could step into the Oval Office if need be (knocks on wood, spits to ward off the evil-eye)

  26. 26.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Corner Stone: I used to so admire Ms. Turner before she turned into a Bernie Arch Supporter. Hopefully, she’s able to revert to her sensible self now that Senator Sanders has endorsed Secretary Clinton.

    @different-church-lady: Nomination for what though?

  27. 27.

    gene108

    @Mary G:

    I’m glad. She’s kicking ass and taking names right where she is. She has more power in the Senate.

    I have more political power commenting on Balloon Juice than most VP’s have historically had.

  28. 28.

    Chris

    And thank Christ for that. Warren has been the best voice for the economic left we’ve had in decades. She needs to stay in Congress and keep building more people like her and bringing more congresspersons around to her point of view. She could no longer be that voice if she was running for the White House, even as a VP – the White House has to appease and compromise between too many different factions for the people in it to be the kind of activist people love Warren as.

    Besides, you know how we’re always complaining that Democrats are strong at the national/White House level but need to be a lot stronger at the state and local level, with senators and congressmen and governors and so forth? That begins with not deciding that every new shiny object on the political scene needs to go straight to the White House.

    Elizabeth Warren is easily one of my favorite politicians of this day and age. And I like her right where she is.

  30. 30.

    Pogonip

    News you might be able to use: IF a relative dies who maintained a piddling checking account to autopay bills and IF that relative seized the opportunity to flip you off from beyond the grave by naming you executor and IF that relative also forgot to designate a beneficiary on the piddling checking account: you, executor, can pay bills out of your account till it’s probated and then get reimbursed. Our lawyer suggests you pay by check, and make copies.

    Now, run out and put a beneficiary on every account you have, as not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to pay extra bills and wait for reimbursement. Your relatives will thank you one day.

  31. 31.

    Chris

    @gene108:

    I have more political power commenting on Balloon Juice than most VP’s have historically had.

    IKNORITE!

    I mean, like I said, I don’t really want her in the White House in any capacity, at least not right now. But people wanted her as Vice President, of all things? We’re supposed to trade one of our best people in Congress for four or eight years of what’s essentially a ceremonial position except in a certain unlikely event? I don’t think so.

  33. 33.

    Trollhattan

    @Enzymer:
    He’s a great interview and as a policy wonk I suspect can equal Hilz (the firstest wonk). I’d be chuffed with a Perez nod.

    Confess I never understood the governor X nod as a ticket burnisher. “He can deliver his state.” Really?

  34. 34.

    Shell

    From NBC News:
    Team Trump Plans Public Event Friday With VP Pick

    Team Trump? Thats being a little generous.

  42. 42.

    Truegster

    @srv: you do realize that by your logic, Halliburton paid Cheney for the Iraq war. Directly, not through contributors. Pure blood money.
    Not even in my most hardcore Anti-Bush years did I ever have that as a reason we went to war, I just viewed it as the M.I.C. systems natural function.

  45. 45.

    Betty Cracker

    I’m working late, but hubby has Tweety blaring in the other room doing a Trump veep announcement countdown, and Tweety just said Pence is “almost horny for the job.” Sweet fricasseed St. Peter, I could live without the mental image of the beady-eyed IN guv humping Trump’s leg.

  46. 46.

    Shell

    Dibs that we’ll know more about the Dem convention speakers before the GOP gets beyond Paul Ryan.

    Speaking of which, hes on CNN tonight. Ugh.

  48. 48.

    Reggie Mantle

    Warren for Majority Leader, Bernie for chairman of Budget (ranking minority member already), or maybe Finance.

  49. 49.

    Corner Stone

    @Shell:

    Team Trump? Thats being a little generous.

    Trump, Trump’s hair and Trump’s ego.
    Team Trump!

  51. 51.

    Phylllis

    @efgoldman: You can add someone as ‘right of survivorship’. Which is better than a joint account–it becomes immediately accessible to the survivor.

  52. 52.

    Corner Stone

    @Betty Cracker:

    Tweety just said Pence is “almost horny for the job.” Sweet fricasseed St. Peter, I could live without the mental image of the beady-eyed IN guv humping Trump’s leg.

    He did. He said Pence is “horny for the job”. You should have seen Michael Steele thumb his nose like a boxer that just took a straight jab to the face.

  53. 53.

    Mike in NC

    For a few minutes I thought you people were talking about Tina Turner. Nevermind.

  55. 55.

    satby

    @efgoldman: Yes. Just did it on my new savings account. My mom did not name a beneficiary on her regular checking account so that, and that only, has to go through probate.

  56. 56.

    hovercraft

    @Patricia Kayden:
    I’m confused by her reluctance to support Hillary till she follows through. Does that mean she will remain neutral until congress passes a $15 minimum raise, and scraps TPP. The platform has been written and she is the nominee, so what is she holding out for. Does she still hold out hope that there will be a coup in Philly ? The FBI and the DOJ have ruled out prosecution, so where is the lightening strike come from.

  57. 57.

    dmsilev

    @Shell: Apparently Mitch McTurtle will be speaking as well. I’m not sure if anyone else is confirmed.

    Remember: Trump said that this past Wednesday would be when his campaign would release the full speaker list. Also, 5.5 days and counting until the dumpster fire starts.

  58. 58.

    Major Major Major Major

    Open thread?

    The mosquitoes are rough right now. I think. Maybe I have fleas.

    I’m on a train.

    Let’s see, what else. Got my business cards today. They are… adequate. We’re a quasi-academic organization so there’s some foofaraw involving titles and funding sources. I’m an associate and so is my supervisor but not all of my peers.

    As a programmer, I am not used to this.

  60. 60.

    Emma

    @Betty Cracker:

    Tweety just said Pence is “almost horny for the job.”

    I have truly learned the meaning of the phrase “I just threw up in my mouth.”

  61. 61.

    gf120581

    @dmsilev: I wonder if that’s a sign Mitch has given up all hope of staying in the majority (especially after the Bayh entrance yesterday) and is in full “I don’t give a fuck anymore” mode.

    Rather telling that the only endangered Republican senator up this year that’s attending the convention is Grassley. Kirk, Johnson, Ayotte, Burr, Blunt, Rubio, Toomey, McCain, even hometown boy Portman are all making themselves scarce.

  63. 63.

    Truegster

    You know what David Brooks doesn’t say? That ONE party is actually incapable of governing and that he has been directly responsible for legitimizing them.

    Has Brooks started up his trip to real ‘murica to go out and listen to the drooling idiots that make up the Trump base? I thought he told Charlie Rose that we should all ignore him until he could figure out how in the heck Trump got votes (hint David – racism) and he missed it.

    Brooks failed you conservatives, srv, and we liberals sure don’t care about him. He’s a joke.

  64. 64.

    Corner Stone

    I don’t care what anyone says. Tweety is taking pops before his show goes on air.

  65. 65.

    Patricia Kayden

    @hovercraft: She probably couldn’t even answer your questions. Senator Sanders’ candidacy certainly brought out the annoying in some (otherwise very sensible) people. Sigh.

  66. 66.

    different-church-lady

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Jill Stein may be able to use your skills at her convention. She needs lots of help.

    I know — have you ever tried to unfold 150 folding chairs all by yourself?

  67. 67.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    @Baud: now i aee your laat name is Trump. Which night did they tap you for? Maybe you can get a selfie with Ted Nugent or the Fox hosts.

  69. 69.

    Betty Cracker

    @Corner Stone: I can’t help but like Michael Steele…and pity him.

    @Patricia Kayden: And the fecker is from Iowa too, so he can’t even give the lame excuse of honoring his “heritage” (which is bullshit anyway).

  71. 71.

    burnspbesq

    @srv:

    Comey resigned from the board of HSBC when he was nominated to be FBI director. I’m sure you know that, you miserable lying sack of excrement.

  73. 73.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @srv: Excuse me, but no one here but you gives so much as a salted rat dick what David Brooks thinks. About anything at all.

  75. 75.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Mike in NC: You must not watch MSNBC then because State Senator Nina Turner used to be all over their shows. Quite a witty speaker. Used to admire her.

  77. 77.

    Corner Stone

    @gf120581:

    Rather telling that the only endangered Republican senator up this year that’s attending the convention is Grassley.

    To be fair, Grassley probably isn’t aware what year it is, where the convention is being held, or even that he’s up for re-election.

  78. 78.

    Shell

    Steve King proudly displays the Confederate flag in his office. T

    And someone pointed out, Iowa fought for the Union.

  79. 79.

    Corner Stone

    @lamh36:

    Of course he did…at least he ain’t gonna try to pander…

    He was never going to pander. He just doesn’t have the balls Romney did to go in there and talk smack right to the NAACP’s face.

  80. 80.

    hovercraft

    @Shell:
    It’s a typo, the meant Drump and Family.
    Seriously the convention is going to be all Drumps all the time.

  81. 81.

    Patricia Kayden

    @lamh36: Why even invite him? It’s not as if he hasn’t made it clear how he feels about Black and Brown people. I guess he has reconciled himself with getting less than 8% of Black votes in November. Plus, this would hurt him with his core supporters, i.e., the KKK, Stormfront, White Supremacists types.

  82. 82.

    burnspbesq

    @Reggie Mantle:

    Schumer is the next majority leader (as much as i would prefer otherwise). And if Dems have a majority without him, Bernie for an ice floe.

  84. 84.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @hovercraft:

    The FBI and the DOJ have ruled out prosecution, so where is the lightening strike come from.

    Best I can tell, divine intervention. Thor or Zeus.

  86. 86.

    Kropadope

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Why even invite him?

    To force him to choose between the embarrassment of declining and the embarrassment of opening his fat yap at the convention.

    ETA: I suppose there’s always that infinitesimal chance they expected him to contribute to the discussion with his enlightening thoughts.

  88. 88.

    lamh36

    @Patricia Kayden: the NAACP is a civil right org…they always extend an invite to the Presidential campaigns…period.

    Even though I understand not extending invite, it’s NOT the way to work for an organization such as NAACP, which is not a racial supremacy organization.

    so not, I’m not surprised they did it and I actually think they are better for it than I would be

  89. 89.

    hovercraft

    @Betty Cracker:
    Tweety is hot to trot for Drump, but he’s ashamed of it. He hates Hillary and admires Drump for his business acumen and his impressive buildings. Drump is like that skank he really really want but can’t bring home to Mom. Go on Tweety just let it all hang out.

  92. 92.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @srv: That word…”communicate”…I do not think it means what you think it means.

  93. 93.

    TriassicSands

    @aimai:

    Hang onto your senator! She’s as good as it gets and she’d be wasted as VP. And, you’re right, we need every Democratic senator we can get.

  94. 94.

    Miss Bianca

    @Kropadope: Heh! Good one.

    @burnspbesq: Strangely, I find myself in an anti-anti-Bernie mood tonight. He came up to scratch this afternoon far more handsomely than I expected. If he’ll support HRC and keep hammering at Trump – and provided we win, of course – I’ll be in a mellow mode about Senate chairmanships.

  95. 95.

    JMG

    Warren is a pol now, and as a pol is entitled to think of herself (and to be fair, the causes she espouses). As Senator Warren, she can legitimately hold Clinton’s feet to the fire if she feels the need and also can move into actual opposition if Clinton really screws up. As VP Warren, she can do neither. Also, in the dire event Clinton loses Senator Warren who wasn’t on the ticket immediately becomes leader of the opposition untainted by what, let’s face it, would be a humiliating defeat.

  98. 98.

    Kropadope

    @TriassicSands: Also, it would be our Republican governor putting in her temporary replacement until we get a special election together. Whos remembers how the last special election for Senator went in MA?

  100. 100.

    Pogonip

    @efgoldman: Yes, you can; it’s called beneficiary in some states and TOD in others. Whatever your state calls it, don’t forget to do it. (J’accuse, mon pere!)

  101. 101.

    weaselone

    @srv:

    Let me diagram this. People give money to charity X. Same of those people also do business with company Y. Company Y at one time hired person Z. A couple of years later when person Z is no longer employed at company Y, he makes a favorable recommendation regarding person A who is a close affiliate of charity X.

    This is freaking stupid. It’s like me donating to the local church’s soup kitchen and also shopping at the local grocery store. The grocery store hires a security guard who later becomes a police officer who a couple of years later lets the minister’s wife off with a stern lecture instead of giving her a speeding ticket. I am therefore at the middle of a conspiracy to get the minister’s wife out of a speeding ticket???

  102. 102.

    Miss Bianca

    @JMG:

    As Senator Warren, she can legitimately hold Clinton’s feet to the fire if she feels the need and also can move into actual opposition if Clinton really screws up. As VP Warren, she can do neither.

    Or, you know, be a strong advocate for HRC’s agenda and pet projects in the Senate. Be HRC’s ally in a path of real progressive legislation. Be that ally in case, you know, HRC and she actually ARE sincere Democratic allies. As VP, she could do both and all, but she’s better in the Senate.

    There. I won’t go so far as to say, “Fixed that for you”, but damn, brah…

  103. 103.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @weaselone: also, too, the conspiracy theory relies on the notion that James Comey is a pawn of Hillary Clinton

    ETA: @Miss Bianca: this bedrock conviction that some people have that Hillary Clinton is the true obstacle to liberal progress never ceases to baffle me

  105. 105.

    Lizzy L

    I’d be happy with Perez. I never expected HRC to choose EW; keeping her in the Senate makes much more sense.

    Y’all have any thoughts on Trump’s VP? There’s a lot of speculation that Trump really does plan to choose Newt Gingrich as his VP candidate. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why Trump would want this. Gingrich, of course, is just thinking ahead to the speaking fees he will be able to charge after November. He can’t think that Trump has a real chance. He’s in it for the bucks. He’ll no doubt write another book. He’ll get to be on T.V. every weekend. Is Trump being scammed?

  106. 106.

    Miss Bianca

    @lamh36: Damn. Stop my ears, stop my eyes, that is going to be fucking hideous if so. Why doesn’t he just get his pal Putin to come speak as well?

  108. 108.

    lamh36

    More movie news. Must see movie for the fall…October: Birth of a Nation.

    November: Loving

    I just watched the trailer for the film and Yo…..I got misty eyed.

    If you haven’t already seen it…here it is:

  113. 113.

    scav

    @JMG: Read that as “Warren is a poi now” and rather amused myself with visions of spinning balls of Hawaiian foodstuffs, which all in all turned out to make rather more sense.

  119. 119.

    Lizzy L

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ah. Thanks. Pence makes more sense. Don’t get me wrong, he’s awful, but I can see why Trump might choose him. And it probably won’t hurt him in Indiana: his approval rating as Governor is under 50% at the moment.

  120. 120.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Lizzy L: the next thing Hayes said was that this was a kind of ‘audition’, I guess the decision hasn’t been made.

    I can’t listen to Trump talk, so muted it. Of course when he finally shuts up the rest of MSNBC is going to be clips repeating what he said. I wish I gave a crap about the all star game.

  122. 122.

    Kropadope

    @TriassicSands: Scott Clown? Poca-dumbass? Keep him far away. Last I heard he was angling for a position in a potential Trump misadministration.

  124. 124.

    Irony Abounds

    @JPL: If Hillary picks that guy, we are assured of many more unnecessary and damaging wars. The guy is anti-Iran deal and just another neo-con in Dem clothing (assuming he is even a Dem). It would confirm that Hillary has learned absolutely nothing from her history of terrible foreign policy positions. Even vetting that guy is a bad sign. Hopefully it goes no further than that.

  125. 125.

    Smiling Mortician

    @Miss Bianca: Agreed. I’m watching to see how he follows up on his promise to do everything in his power to ensure a Democratic Senate, a Democratic House, and a Hillary Clinton Presidency. He could do a lot of good, campaigning for Dems up and down the ballot.

  129. 129.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Smiling Mortician: I want someone to ask him why all but one of Dems currently running for the Senate are unworthy of his support.

    ETA: I know SPW has campaigned for Tammy Duckworth, can’t remember any other emails I’ve gotten. Anyone know if she’s been to New Hampshire? Iowa? Ohio? PA?….

  130. 130.

    TriassicSands

    Elizabeth Warren is easily one of my favorite politicians of this day and age. And I like her right where she is.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Warren has no presidential aspirations…period.

    Her age is a problem. She’s already 67. Even if she could run in 2020, she’d be 71, which is old for a first timer. That assumes that Clinton loses in 2016 or doesn’t run for some reason in 2020. HRC will be 73 running for a second term, but it is probably easier to be 73 going for re-election than it would be for Warren trying to be elected the first time at 71.

    If she remains in the Senate, there is no reason she can’t serve for another decade or more, assuming she remains healthy . She can do a lot of good in the Senate.

    (I was very enthusiastic about Warren for president someday until I saw how old she is. Things just aren’t arranged well for her. Which means Massachusetts gets to keep a great senator. Lucky.)

  131. 131.

    Smiling Mortician

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’d be OK with somebody asking him which are the top senate and house races he’d like to campaign for. Asking affirmatively rather than negatively might actually help him move on.

  132. 132.

    Patricia Kayden

    @lamh36: Understand your point but I wonder when a Civil Rights organization can decline to invite a straight up bigot to its gatherings. So I guess when Repubs nominate a straight up racist in 2020, the NAACP will feel obligated to extend an invitation. Oh well.

  133. 133.

    Kropadope

    @Smiling Mortician:

    Agreed. I’m watching to see how he follows up on his promise to do everything in his power to ensure a Democratic Senate, a Democratic House, and a Hillary Clinton Presidency.

    He mentioned “successor organizations.” The Revolution must happen, even if Bernie can’t lead the charge.

  136. 136.

    scav

    @Patricia Kayden: A deadly, perfunctory, politeness is also easily read by those tuned to the critical wavelengths. Plus, probably more political capital can be made by the racist not getting the invite than his turning it down.

  140. 140.

    Kropadope

    @Miss Bianca: You may have missed it, but my intent was to mock you; not to tell you personally to get in line and shut up. I don’t think aspiring to homogeneity within a political coalition is a good thing.

  141. 141.

    Miss Bianca

    @Kropadope: You may have missed it, too, but I was snarking back. That’s what the little ‘/’ symbol was about. Maybe I’ll have to use a double //…the grammar of these things eludes me.

  142. 142.

    Gvg

    @Irony Abounds: I think you can assume the rumors are false. He doesn’t make any sense from a political point of view and Hillary is competent and an experienced politician.
    Trump is impossible to predict because he doesn’t actually know how politics work from the inside and apparently doesn’t know he should know. I think he also is getting turned down because real politicians know he is bad news.
    Hillary is calculating who helps her the most with her voters. Guy with little name recognition and no political experience is not helpful, won’t get picked. Hillary looks likely to win, she will get lots of choices.
    Her campaign could be looking at many nominees and even hires for many jobs and someone could have misinterpreted that. Or just made up a lie.

  144. 144.

    Paul in KY

    @mike in dc: I would LOVE a Clinton/Franken ticket!!!

    Man, can you imagine the things Sen. Franken has stored up to say about the Combover Caligula?! Also, all his comedy friends would be sending him devastating quips to use.

  145. 145.

    Paul in KY

    @Betty Cracker: Iowa had many brave soldiers die in the Civil War. He should be completely ashamed. I hope some descendants of those brave boys slag him.

  148. 148.

    Amir Khalid

    @Gvg:
    Whomever she picks will be around for four or eight years. I’ve always felt Hillary should choose a VP — a credible understudy, a co-executive, a voice in the room for crisis situations and strategy sessions, a congressional dealmaker if she needs one — rather than a mere running mate.

  149. 149.

    Applejinx

    @Chris: I know why people would want that, because I’m one of the people who would have been excited to see a Clinton/Warren ticket. (for reasons already given, it’s not super hard to talk me off the ledge over it)

    All we can do is look to political actions in order to try and read the tea leaves for what Clinton’s gonna do when she wins. We really don’t get any say. This isn’t really democracy and given how it’s worked for decades and how it’s brought us Trump, democracy ain’t no silver bullet anyway… but it means we have to look for clues as to what our God-Kings in power will do to us.

    Warren as VP sends several messages, as a political act. Warren has powerful economic concerns, great suspicion of the financial sector: she’s a very loud voice on that stuff. To select her would (a) actually reduce her practical power, and (b) signal that the Hillary Administration intended to pursue Warrenlike directions going forward.

    It’s this signaling that matters to people, since we have no power and can’t control anything. In the absence of a Warren VP, we are actually a little stronger in political terms, but have less reason to believe the administration will support Warren’s intentions. Hillary can say things, but a lot of us intend to vote for her despite not really believing any of her words, because she is the only candidate on either side of the aisle with any hope of getting anything done and we’re not apocalyptic vandals.

    You can be in favor of ‘don’t utterly destroy our whole government and our entire country’ and still be anxiously awaiting any TANGIBLE evidence Hillary is not going to just sell us to the bankers and call that an economic recovery. It’s clearly one of her options that would make many rich people happy, and it is an option she should flatly reject. But words are mighty cheap…

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