Digby and Krugman are feeling flinchy:
Get ready folks.The MSM is starting to feel uncomfortable. Now that Trump's in serious trouble they're going shift to Clinton.I feel it.
— digby (@digby56) October 9, 2016
You'd think this was impossible — but I'm worried too https://t.co/htkmpE4KMC
— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) October 9, 2016
I understand: Democrats are in an abusive relationship with the media. But I don’t think even the acolytes of the late David Broder can gin up sustained interest in Hillary Clinton’s emails or decades-old reactions to Bill Clinton’s sleazy behavior when women are coming forward with stories like this from now until election day:
“The time that he walked through the dressing rooms was really shocking. We were all naked,” [former Miss New Hampshire Bridget Sullivan] said. Sullivan compared Trump to a “creepy uncle.” “He’d hug you just a little low on your back,” she said.
And there is audio of Trump boasting about his right to ogle his property:
“I’ll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show and everyone’s getting dressed,” Trump told Stern in recordings released Saturday by CNN. “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it…. ‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”
Gross.
Mark B
Back in the 80s, I used to work occasionally for a fashion photographer who used to invite models to his studio to ogle their tits. I wouldn’t vote for that guy for president either.
germy
Oh, c’mon! Every man talks and acts like this.
At least every normal man, according to Carl Palladino.
Angrifon
It’s just too bad for the Republicans that Trump said all of this stuff on obscure, little-known programs like the Howard Stern show. Otherwise they might have had some warning about what was coming…
germy
If you had told me back in 1995 that the Howard Stern show would be a factor in a presidential race, I would have laughed in your face. We are living in the Idiocracy movie.
I’m waiting for one of the undecideds at tonight’s town hall debate to stand up, ask a very serious question and then yell “Babba Booey!”
dmsilev
It’s getting to be too late for that sort of thing. 90+ million people saw Trump make a fool out of himself at the first debate. There will be probably just as many or more who will tune in tonight, and there’s a damn good chance that Trump will trainwreck himself again. Everyone who paid even the tiniest bit of attention to any news source anywhere just got a giant heaping helping of “Trump is a sexual predator”. Emails and fairly boring leaked speech transcripts just can’t compete.
azlib
I think the SS Trump is finally sinking and nobody likes a loser. The media pile-on may have finally reached a critical mass.
ALurkSupreme
Digby’s an incredibly talented political writer. She can also be an alarmist at times.
p.a.
The other occupants of the Klown Kar: “oppo research? Whut dat?” Not one of those campaign teams should ever be hired again.
Johannes
Yeah, Trump’s getting ready to go with Juanita Broaddrick, as evidenced by his twitter account. I hope Hillary is prepped, and not with a canned line. I don’t trust the media after this season.
MattF
The usual suspects are putting out clintonbait– e.g., an article about Hillz’s speeches as leaked by Assange– but no one’s biting. Trump’s collapse is genuinely interesting and genuinely important. Even the teevee idiots can see that.
Trentrunner
I completely get Krugman’s and Digby’s POV on this. There’s ample history–recent history–to support this prediction.
But.
Trump can’t NOT make news tonight.
There are more revelations coming.
And the Republican Avengers: Civil War is just getting started.
What Clinton story could the MSM pivot to that’s sexier than these? It would have to be NEW and it would have to be BIG.
Mike E
Both sides is the new “green balloons”
germy
I saw Mary Matalin this morning during one of the talkfests. I haven’t seen her on TV for almost a decade. Holy crap! She looked like she was in shock. No glib smirk, no talking points… she looked like she’d witnessed an atrocity and was being questioned by detectives about it. When she wasn’t talking, she pressed her fingers over her mouth like she was in silent prayer for her soul.
Angrifon
Also, it occurred to me while listening to Trump’s Access Hollywood rape tape that while he’s bragging he can do anything to a woman and get away with it because he’s a star, Billy Bush is laughing along and letting him get away with it because he’s a star.
CarolDuhart2
Re Clinton:
1) There’s nothing left. Benghazi and emails are done to death. Their massive investigations have turned up nothing else, since Hillary basically is a homebody nerd who likes knitting, babies and reading. Indeed, this inoculates her in a way.
2) Bill’s been done to death too, and Hillary was never a part of that stuff.
3) Trump is terrible, and Democrats are united.
gf120581
At this point “horserace” has given way to “meltdown.”
Trainwrecks get eyeballs too.
MattF
@MattF: Except, of course, for Fox News. And FYWP for not letting me edit my comment.
Mark B
@CarolDuhart2: But Trump has to hit all of those themes, because that’s all he’s got. He’ll keep the angry white racists energized, and everyone else is gonna jump ship.
germy
On Face The Nation one of the pundits said that a two party system is necessary for a functioning democracy. When I heard that casual, tossed-off remark, I sort of understood the logic behind all the fluffing they do of the grand old party.
RK
The Wikileaks release regarding her speeches is newsworthy. Krugman’s seemingly blind to Clinton’s weaknesses.
anon
They will rehash everything even if nothing is left. Right now on CNN’s home page is a headline right below the Trump one “Tim Kaine fumbles Hillary email question”. If that is not fair and balanced then I don’t know what is.
piratedan
well, what sells…. more horse race or a public meltdown of a Presidential campaign aand disintergration of a political party? My guess is that the media understands the given in that choice. So which will generate more clicks? Outraged Trumpistas rage clicking or sane Americans wondering how in the hell can they play this off as being equivalent?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
not even transcripts, as I understand it, summaries of the speeches, written by whom I haven’t seen, and part of a package of leaks that appear suspect. This is Malcolm Nance from last night
Anoniminous
We should get some polling early next week. If Clinton hasn’t gone +18 to +20 with women and +8 to +10 overall I’ll vow to refrain from eating boiled cucumbers for the rest of my life. If the GropenTrumpenFührer has another meltdown tonight we could be looking Clinton +10 to + 12 by the end of the week and the GOP facing a wave election.
Mark B
@Johannes: The Broaddrick crap was played out by 2000. They can try to revive it, but most people will see it for what it is, a desperate ploy to change the subject.
germy
@Angrifon:
billy bush also insists the young lady hug Trump. It’s like he wanted to see how far the thing would go.
Billy is a man with a tiny brain. Not surprised he found a home on the NBC morning show, even if his co-hosts despise him. (I mean, seriously, how many people have pissed off Al fucking Roker on air??) He’s everything NBC wants on TV.
sigaba
@dmsilev: I recall people contemplating in May and June that sure, the press loves a horserace, but it’s possible they’ll love an implosion more. This may be bearing itself out.
Trentrunner
@RK: I don’t disagree. If those remarks by Clinton are accurate (still undetermined), then it would be news.
But Hurricane Sexual Assault – Trump is a bigger story than an “open borders!” thunderstorm that downed a power line.
Media physics is a bastard, but right now it’s working in Clinton’s favor.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
“Mr Trump”! I’d love to see the memos that go out to people like Billy Bush then and campaign surrogates now, “Mr Trump is always to be referred to as….”
Hal
Fuck Trump supporters. They ain’t budging. It’s everyone else that matters at this point and there is no way to pivot back to the emails or invoke Bill Clinton’s infidelity. He isn’t running for president. Hillary should address the Trump tape at the top of the debate and then show people what a real president looks like. Let Trump self immolate.
germy
@Anoniminous: If HRC wins in a “squeaker” they’ll say the election was stolen. If she wins in a landslide, they’ll say it’s obvious the election was hacked.
Either way, her presidency will be invalid in their eyes.
japa21
@RK: Care to give examples?
Anoniminous
@germy:
Of course they will. Who Cares?
ETA: Hillary isn’t going to win in a squeaker. With the way things are going I wouldn’t bet Trump will break 40% nationally.
germy
@shomi:
Exactly. And local governments in every town I’ve lived in are infested with republican mayors, school board presidents, etc. They aren’t going anywhere. They’re the realtors, the chamber of commerce assholes, the church people, the rotary clubs, the firehouses, the police depts., the DPWs,
And yet I see the experts on TV intone “The republican party may never recover from this”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@japa21: @RK: without tendentious paraphrases, or things Clinton is “reported to have said”, or using the words like “optics” or “confirms the impression”.
Iowa Old Lady
@germy: Billy Bush is an example of how a well-connected white man can be mediocre and still get a job and then be promoted. We’ll see if he keeps it.
PhoenixRising
@CarolDuhart2:
Oddly, that is not yet available on a bumper sticker or tee in the HFA online shop. It really should be.
#ImWithHermione
Felonius Monk
@germy:
Existence of MM’s soul assumes facts not in evidence.
Anya
This is a bigger version of Herman Cain’s implosion. And I am sure more is coming.
germy
@Iowa Old Lady:
He’s doing the graceful “contrite dance” so maybe his bosses will forgive him. If not, there’s a thousand more where he came from.
There are so many interesting people, musicians, scientists, artists, humorists, who I NEVER see on television. They’re invisible. But folks like Billy Bush are pushed front and center every time because they can be trusted to do and say the “right” thing for their handlers.
p.a.
@germy: correct. it’s puke all the way down; always more to fill the upper echelons. may take a while to learn to be ‘smooth’, i.e. dog whistle not claxon (love that word!), and that learning curve is where progressives can hope to get more traction while the thug base dies off.
CarolDuhart2
No bombshells in those paid speeches. Which what I expected. Nobody pays $250K to be shocked in their seats. If it weren’t for Bernie harping on them as if they held some deep, dark, secrets, this would have been a one-day story. Those speeches are meant to be boring-the real appeal is actually getting to meet a real live celebrity/politician/whatever and shaking their hands and maybe getting a picture.
And there’s no interesting visuals either, certainly not like the Trumptanic video.
germy
@Felonius Monk:
You’re right, I got a little carried away there.
PhoenixRising
@shomi: The topic of the speeches doesn’t have a lot of juice once you ask:
-How do you know what she said at Goldman Sachs’ lunch for boring rich white dudes? and the answer is
-A hacker using Russian money who is hiding from rape charges inside the Ecuadorean embassy in _________ typed some stuff and promises it’s true this time. Even though his last batch was full of emails that were from “state.goy”.
Next!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@germy: @Felonius Monk: she ostentatiously changed her registration when Trump won the nomination, and a couple of weeks ago joined a “Catholics for Trump” organization.
most of the google results for this were from far right and very conservative groups, they think this was some kind of get
Mandalay
@germy:
You are born into a filthy rich family. Your uncle was POTUS. Your cousin was also POTUS. And you end up being a gofer giggling at Trump bragging about sexual assault.
There are plenty of stories about people who grew up in poverty, and achieved so much through their character and their determination. Billy Bush is the exact opposite.
Iowa Old Lady
@PhoenixRising: #ImWithHermione
sigaba
@shomi: There was the implication that maybe she was more pro-TPP than she is, there’s that. Also there was some talk of how policians sometimes need to hold different public and private beliefs. And she also said something about how public disclosure rules for people who moved from the financial industry into government were too severe.
It all sounds bad when framed by oppo researchers, which is exactly what the emails were. I wasn’t impressed but it’s not meant to impress me, it’s meant to set off Berners and disaffected unicorn shoppers.
sukabi
@germy: horse f¥¢ker says what?
scav
He can do these things to women because he’s a star, because he’s the boss inspecting women naked when they compete clothed. If he’s your boss, he owns all of you, all the time. Wife of a gazillionaire not got dinner on the table when he strolls in? Time for a new one, that’s not behavior you want in a wife — don’t work either, you’ll get shrill. The job is to stay home, don’t obsess about the kids, keep youself in shape to at least a 10 and elbow the staff aside to personally prepare me dinner. Oh, and verbally stand by me when I justify abusing other women when you’re my new bride and pivoting to my opponent’s enabling her husband by standing by him. Got that sweetheart? Give me a twirl and smile.
All hail the strong defender of evangelicalist family-values against the corrupt culture of coastal Media Elites and Fat Cats!
max
I understand: Democrats are in an abusive relationship with the media. But I don’t think even the acolytes of the late David Broder can gin up sustained interest in Hillary Clinton’s emails or decades-old reactions to Bill Clinton’s sleazy behavior
Digby is correct. All they do is shift the focus of their coverage. The basic dynamic of the election is a civil war between Republican elites and the R base, with the cable TV people (in particular) trying to normalize the situation and turn it into a standard horse race. Now that Hill has a solid lead they’re going to try and shift the focus back to her and knock her down a bit. Not so much because they’re anti-Hillary but because they’re pro-drama.
There’s the separate problem of the fact of America’s schizophrenic attitudes towards sex – that is, as a country, America hates sex and loves violence. Publicly. Privately America likes sex and violence. Throw in the love of the wealthy and famous and here we are.
Pierce speaks for moi: America Has Been Waiting for Donald Trump:
max
[‘Meh.’]
Bill E Pilgrim
It’s a shame in a way, I kind of would have liked seeing the Trump Presidential Library with “Carpe Cattus” carved over the entry.
CarolDuhart2
@Mark B: Yes, Mark, that’s what he has to do. But I think he has to keep people from staying home now. Especially women.
Most of his support is in places where nothing will really change if people don’t vote-those places are Republican anyway. So people may feel free to sit it out-and if they are angry with the Republican establishment, that’s what they just might do.
germy
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Really? Because on this morning’s show she admitted that drumpf wasn’t her “first choice, or even my 16th choice.” These people really have no principles other than “suck THIS, libtards!”
She said her conservative beliefs were lower taxes, reduced regulation.
Reduced regulation? What are we supposed to do about Wells Fargo, or poisoned tap water? This followup question wasn’t asked.
p.a.
@sigaba:
The last few unicorn cohorts have been shockingly poor.
Mandalay
@CarolDuhart2:
Right. I can certainly understand why Clinton didn’t want to talk about them while she was campaigning against Sanders, but once she had secured the nomination I think she could have safely released them (assuming the leaks are genuine).
I see it as a good thing that they are out now. Whether the leaks are real or fake doesn’t even matter, since it’s pretty tame stuff.
Kay
I hadn’t heard the audio of Trump’s comments on his daughter before today. Jesus Christ. It’s shocking how creepy it sounds. Awkward 5 second silence on CNN panel after it ended.
PPCLI
@scav: Trump is a traditionalist! He’s running for president to bring back
.
aimai
@Johannes: How can you be prepped without a canned line? Isn’t that the definition of prepped?
hovercraft
Poppy Harlow of CNN is not feeling flinchy. This poor Trump guy is in way over his head here. Watch.
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
I’m feeling flinchy, but only about tonight. Trump is going to come out and accuse Bill Clinton of rape and Hillary of infidelity, harp on it endlessly, and that there are no facts to back him up won’t matter. He will create his own reality and act like it’s true. Hell if I know what anyone can do about that. I know he’s got the attention span of a mosquito and is already stressed to the breaking point, so odds are good he’ll just dissolve into gibberish and look like an idiot, but… man, I’d like to keep this momentum so much that I’m nervous. This is Trump’s last chance, and I want him to blow it SO bad.
sinnedbackward
@sigaba: The press loved the ’73 Belmont Stakes.
Lizzy L
Sam Wang at PEC has a very good post up about volatility in Presidential races. This jumped out at me:
Wang makes the point that the emotional volatility we are experiencing is not being reflected in the polls to any great extent. As many people here have remarked in other threads, the voting public appears to have hunkered down. But what this also says to me is that if 30-40 percentage point swings are not happening but 3-4 percentage points are, then 3-4 percentage point moves potentially become significant.
Just thinking aloud…
Trentrunner
@Kay: Months ago, on The Daily Show, Trevor Noah had an ongoing series “Donald Trump Wants to Bang His Daughter.” There were at least 3-4 entries, with video/audio every time.
This is a sick, sick man. NO woman should ever be described as a “piece of ass,” but for a father to describe his daughter that way…
Anya
On the terrible CNN show, Reliable Sources, some republican, I think his name is Matt Lewis, a former Brietbart, said that the media was looking for the “comeback kid” storylines for Trump so they’ re rooting for him to win the debate. The host asked the Dem talking head, Angela somebody if that was true. She said no, then gave a terrible answer.
I think the media will continue to be terrible where Clinton is concerned: she’s unlikable, she’s not winning Sanders supporters, emails, Bill cheated on her and she once said something mean to his mistresses, Trump says she enabled his cheating, foundation, etc. But I think Trump is a clear and present danger to the country that reasonable voters can tell bulshit scandel from real stuff. Trump took sleaze to another level.
germy
@sukabi:
Be fair now. He’s merely horse curious.
Humdog
@sigaba: You have summarized what sounds bad, but how do you know that these notes on the speeches are true and not forgeries by the hackers? If anyone is upset at what leaked it is solely because they want to be upset, want to believe badly of Hillary.
Bill E Pilgrim
@germy: I liked the part where she said that the Republican Party abandoning Trump shows how honorable they are compared to Democrats who stood by Bill Clinton.
There are a million things to respond to regarding the false equivalences in a statement like but that, but I was thinking this morning that when Trump brings Bill and the 90s up tonight, Hillary Clinton should say the following:
“You know, I want to say something that a lot of women will be able to relate to, and that’s this: I’m running for President, not my husband. Donald sounds like he doesn’t quite get that, but it’s true nonetheless. Women can do that these days, and I’m evidence of that.”
bemused
I know cnn and msnbc are playing the Trump audios and videos but what about Fox? Are the deplorables getting the whole sleazy works?
Humdog
I am simultaneously feeling flinchy and imagining that disaffected R voters stay home or one vote down ticket while Trumpsters vote for Trump and leave down ballot blank, giving Dems a nationwide sweep. Schizophrenic, who, me?
hovercraft
@Kay:
This man is sick, period.
Normal people do not behave this way, there is no normal person who can listen to him discuss his daughter as a nice piece of ass with an asshole, and then see the way he interacts with her and says one thing he has in common with her is sex, and think it’s okay. He needs help, and he’s lying about her breast implants (which are her choice, I’m not judging).
Sick fuck is sick.
RareSanity
Unless there is some audio of Secretary Clinton talking about how she can just walk up to staffers and grab their twig and berries without consequence, there is nothing about Clinton herself that can match the salacious, Trump blood that’s in the water.
If there’s one thing the media like more than “both sides do it”, it’s chronicling the downfall of a celebrity.
They can try to pivot to Clinton, but if they do, they’re going to lose viewers/clicks to the likes of Entertainment Tonight, Buzzfeed, and TMZ…this is like Christmas in October for tabloid media.
Barbara
@CarolDuhart2: If there had been bombshells people attending would have already surfaced with the information.
weaselone
@sigaba:
The main “transcript” that seems to rear it’s ugly head doesn’t even seem to be a part of the WikiLeaks release. It’s something on Real.True.News. It’s almost certainly a fake. Doesn’t sound like Hillary. Sounds like what an idiot thinks a speech to Goldman Sachs sounds like.
scav
Probably would be a good thing to start highlighting how much of this also describes how much a terror of a boss / employer he was. If they can contain it to “mean to women” theme — well, he’s already down with women. Add the nightmare boss, we’ve all had nightmare bosses: and usually watched the disasters that followed as well as the enabling infrastructure. That gets visceral and personal. The women issue finally attained this last when it was a white woman, moreover a white woman some might actually know from the soaps. These are rich veins of insight, I think they can handle multi-purposing a bit.
Mart
My wife’s late dad was a classic of the genre at weddings in the early 80’s. Cigarette in one hand, highball in the other, sporting a plaid leisure suit – walking up to the young ladies asking them to give their uncle Roy a little hug and a kiss…
Soylent Green
The media wants eyeballs. To keep Trump’s implosion at the top so they don’t return to horse racing, we will need another oppo bomb to go off every few days. Let’s hope the campaign has a bunch queued up. If all the little people who edited videos over the years kept the snips from their cutting room floor and do their part, there should be plenty of Oscar-worthy footage for our viewing pleasure.
redshirt
This is a football sunday and Tom Brady is back and all I care about is tonight’s debate. Can’t wait!
Kay
I feel like after this is over there has to be some transparency on media’s profit interest in Donald Trump. It’s not “political reporters” per se, but CNN and Morning Joe definitely promoted him and now it looks like they kept the sexual predator stuff under wraps for a year.
There needs to be some kind of discussion on whether there’s a conflict when these media companies cover candidates they have a separate interest in promoting.
I have to laugh, too, at how they’re treating the Wikileaks stuff. We heard for 18 months that Clinton’s email management was a matter of grave national security. They have quite a few indicators that these leaks are intended to harm Clinton and thus promote Trump- in other words, influence a US election.
Not a peep out of them on national security around that. They’re covering it as juicy political news.
germy
@Bill E Pilgrim:
I was shocked at her appearance and behavior. She looked like she’d just seen a ghost before the show.
Did you happen to see Donna Brazile? George kept pressing her on the leaked speeches, and Donna kept saying “I don’t open those attachments. They’re from Russia.” She made a good point about all sorts of viral scum being sent from hackers.
weaselone
@Kay:
What WikiLeaks has released so far seems to indicate that Hillary and the DNC are about as sinister as the Girl Scouts.
Trentrunner
@redshirt: You mean Trump Supporter Tom Brady? Because that asshole doesn’t have enough privilege in his life? Seriously, how can anyone who posts here mention liking that ass…
scav
@PPCLI: He’s coming for your womminz! Wonder if Paul LePage would allow him into Maine: in that notorious binder, such an orange skin tone would look remarkably dark.
Emerald
@Trentrunner:
Bingo. As Al Giordano said, the way to beat Trump is to put on a better show than he does.
Or, the reverse it seems, have less mesmerizing “scandals.”
Les Bonnes Femmes
digby and Krugthulu need to relax. It’s all gonna be alright.
raven
Getting ready for a rare Sunday Dawg game!
Kay
@hovercraft:
It’s just really weird. Your sense is that some kind of oneupmanship is going on there- that it’s a dick-measuring contest between him and Stern- who will blink. He’s weirdly submissive- like Donald Trump is incapable of defending his daughter around another man, as if that would make him weak or something.
It’s scary to me because he’s so empty- his whole self is dependent on the impression of the person he’s sitting with. He’s so easily led.
andy
@germy:
They would anyway. Sometime after Watergate the GOP decided that their policy would be to act as if any Democratic Administration was de facto illegitimate. So we get the Reagan campaign secretly negotiating with the Iranians when Carter was running for re-election, the investigation/impeachment/contract on America shitshow for the Clinton Administration, and of course the continual effort to hamstring the Obama Administration. It’s what they do. The sweet part of the deal for them is that the Noise Machine has so hypnotized their base that not enough people are asking why they are being sent to Washington since they aren’t actually governing.
Bill E Pilgrim
@germy: No I just caught really that one line from her, then the other Republican next to her started in on his conservative talking points, and I thought oh right, if it’s Sunday, it’s conservative, and turned it off.
I’ve watched sometimes, but I just don’t have patience for Republican bullshit at this point, if they can still shovel it faced with this evidence of the stink it ends up causing, then –well I won’t torture that metaphor any further.
BR
Kay
@weaselone:
I thought the DNC emails were a huge bore. I loved how people were like “politics! they engage in politics!”
Here I was thinking they were conducting roundtables on foreign affairs.
Villago Delenda Est
The SS Trump not only needs to take the Grope Our Pussies party down with it, it needs to take the facilitators like Chuckles the Toddler and Mrs. Greenspan with it.
redshirt
@Trentrunner: It’s definitely lowered my opinion of him. Thankfully he’s had the sense to shut his mouth for the past 6 months.
hovercraft
@Trentrunner:
Some GOP appartchick said that the RNC has already decided to sever their operations from Trump completely, both financial and operational, but they are not announcing it till tomorrow. Also with GOP governors withdrawing their support they are also denying him their GOTV operations, we may be looking at an annihilation. The question if all this is true, is whether the GOP cutting him loose will allow them to contain the disease, has the host been infected already, or will they be able to hold onto the house and senate? If he goes down in flames, won’t she sweep in a bunch of democrats with her?
PPCLI
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: One of the most delicious tastes in the Trump meltdown gumbo is the fact that up to the debate he was getting Republicans all excited (and us all frightened) looking like Trump might pull ahead. So all these “Never Trumpers” like Matalin and Lyin’ Ted jumped onto the bandwagon, just in time to reveal that their opposition was just sheer opportunism and pose.
And then, le déluge.
Kay
@germy:
Kaine was good with Jake Tapper. He wouldn’t vouch for the aunthenticity of the speeches either. It’s ridiculous to insist he do that. It’s Tapper’s story. He should verify the documents. “Yes, that appears to be a real speech”. WTF. No way.
burnspbesq
@RK:
How so? It’s a nothingburger.
PPCLI
@weaselone: Totally. It’s as if Podesta maintained a separate email account filled with innocuous stuff for Guccifer 2.0 to hack. I wonder if he made his password “123456”.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mart: I had an uncle kind of like that. In real life [ETA: by which I mean when he wasn’t thinking about what people were thinking of him], a compassionate, funny, generous guy, utterly devoted to his wife in a way that touched even me, a profound cynic, but none of his four daughters could persuade him that waitresses, store clerks and other women paid to smile, young and old, were not, in fact, flattered by his ham-fisted “flirtation”
weaselone
@hovercraft:
I’m just not sure how that works. Either they’re going to try to get people to the polls or they are not. If they just try to drum up support for down ticket races, you end up with off year turnout in a Presidential election year. Even for Republicans, that’s not good.
hovercraft
@Kay:
That’s just it, he needs to gain the approval and admiration of the people or person he’s interacting with, the same dynamic of him going along with Stern, is the one that makes him say outrageous things at his rallies to get them to rain praise down on him. He is so insecure he needs people to constantly reaffirm his greatness in their eyes.
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
First he came for the Mexicans and though I love their taco bowls and vacation spots and they give me good deals on landscaping and roofing, and some of the chicas have really nice butts, I didn’t know any and none of them are in the NFL so I didn’t care.
Then he came for the Muslims and though I liked Kareem Abdul Jabar, he’s retired, so I don’t like them cuz they don’t pray to Jesus and their skin is too dark.
Now he comes for the hot blonde White actress wearing a sexy gold belly chain and low cut purple dress and damn it – that’s fucking crossing the line!
Moral of the story: you can shit on minorities all you want with out repercussion, but don’t mess with the white prize.
Mandalay
@hovercraft:
Your link was another example of a media figure appearing to be genuinely outraged (rather than just posturing) about Trump. She wouldn’t let Trump’s underling get away with the “locker room banter” argument and said Trump was a sexual predator. Jake Tapper took the same approach against Giuliani this morning.
Maybe the CNN staff are acting under orders (since CNN has rightly been getting panned for being Trump’s infomerical channel in the past), but their revulsion towards Trump now seems 100% genuine.
aimai
I don’t watch enough MSM to know if they are getting antsy about all the shit Donald is taking and about to swing the pendulum back to attacking HIllary but I doubt it. The MSM are herd animals too and once the herd starts stampeding backwards its very, very, hard for it to turn again. There would have to be a very, very, very, important and respected (or financially powerful) leader willing to try to split the herd and turn it back against Hillary. And I just don’t think it is in anyone’s interest to do so at this point. Even the pro-republican billionaires have to figure that Hillary is going to get in. They simply want to protect down ballot republicans. So from who is the order going to come down to start savaging Hillary again? And absent orders who in this pond of lilliputian fake reporters and pundits is going to start the bitchery aimed at her again? AS long as she keeps her head down and doesn’t seem to be asking for help, or bragging, I think the press will stop attacking her. They will start up again as soon as she has won, because they love to be a lapdog to the republican party but they hate (and have always hated) to be perceived as pro Democrat and they have always hated the Clintons (and the Obamas).
burnspbesq
@shomi:
Pantswetter this, pantswetter that. You seem to be obsessed with urination. I’ll bet your browser history would make interesting reading.
Brent
@aimai: I wouldn’t agree with that. I mean, for sure, there are a lot of pre-packaged phrases in any political expression but no matter what you don’t want it to sound like a canned line.
I am certainly no expert on how people prepare for these things at this level but I would say in most debate situations you want to prepare to speak extemporaneously while still hitting certain key points in response to any particular question. The whole point of debate prep really is to be able to express your ideas fluidly without regurgitating specific phrases in a way that sounds rehearsed.
Anoniminous
@Anya:
Oh please stop that. The Conservative propaganda machine is pushing that line and it is nonsense. The only Sanders supporters she isn’t getting would never have voted for her anyway. Polling tells us a minimum of 8.7 million Bernie voters will vote for Clinton which is roughly 4 times the average audience for Fox News.
Gindy51
Every one who knows, dates, is married or related to a beautiful woman now knows exactly what Trump wants to do to her, every second of every day. He even wants to do it to his own child.
It doesn’t get much sicker than this unless the person is underage, and I bet he slobbered over some of those under age models he imported into the country. Might be a gold mine there for some one intrepid enough to scratch the surface.
Amir Khalid
@hovercraft:
Cutting Donald’s campaign off to save the down-ticket races is going to piss off the Trumpenvolk bigly. Especially since the RNC is counting on their votes to win those races. I’m not sure how the RNC waiting a day to announce it will make the Trumpenvolk any less unhappy.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Trentrunner: Sportsballl tribalism, and I say it as someone who often falls into it. There’ does seem to be something extra-douchey, spoiled child thing about Brady, and I’ve read that the reason he’s not all over your TV like Peyton Manning is because no camera work can disguise his total lack of personality, but if I had grown up a Pats fan, I’d look past that and the Trump hat and cheer for Touch Down Tommy.
and if we could somehow rate (white) NFL players by their enthusiastic support of Trump, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brady didn’t make the top half.
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
@Mandalay: I really think the difference is the target. You know how historically cable news networks will freak out over a missing or dead white girl, but ignore minorities. It’s been 20 years and they still obsess over nicole simpson and jon benet ramsey.
They could care less when he was attacking browns and blacks (even the jews), but white girls are 3rd rail of cable news networks.
Ryan
You know who else used to walk among unclothed people, imagining them his property?
hovercraft
A@weaselone:
That’s part of the problem, you cannot divorce the party from their nominee. On the one hand you could have the RNC out there saying I know you hate our nominee, but we want you to go out and vote for our down ballot candidates, split ticket voting is getting rarer and rarer, and many people will not go out just for the down ballot races (though they should). And then on the other side asking voters to go out and vote just for down ballot races will piss off Trumpsters who then will go vote for him, but refuse to vote for any down ballot republicans because they betrayed their king. The RNC is screwed, they bought him and now own him, and they will survive or die together.
aimai
@Bill E Pilgrim: She should just turn and say
Ryan
@aimai: Amen!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Anoniminous: I think Anya was channeling the MSM, for whom “millennial” means an upper middle class white college kid with a nose ring they take out at Christmas break and a tattoo of a chinese symbol that doesn’t mean what they think it does. Like “working class” means white guy with an NRA sticker on his pick up truck
raven
@aimai: No matter what “they” do the whining will continue.
Anoniminous
@weaselone:
Them Girl Scouts can be pretty vicious.
WaterGirl
@Amir Khalid: My suspicion is that they are waiting a day to see what Trump does at the debate tonight. If he somehow pulls off something good, they can change their minds unless they have formally announced it. If Trump crashes and burns, then they get to look “good” in some circles for having distanced themselves from Trump.
edit: Bottom line, they made a deal with the devil and as far as I know, that never ends well.
Kay
@hovercraft:
I agree, but what’s surprising to me is that more people don’t see the really profound weakness in that.
When Trump folds in the dialogue with Stern my really strong impression is not “strong” but weak. Stern was toying with him- seeing how far he would go to remain in the Bad Boys Club. Trump will go all the way. He’ll surrender anything, even his own daughter.
Good God. Imagine that personality with all that power.
Mandalay
@David Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016 Koch:
You are dead right. Yesterday WaPo published a ton on stories about Trump:
“Trump recorded having extremely lewd conversation about women in 2005” => 32,404 Comments
“GOP consumed by crisis as more Republicans call on Trump to quit race” => 11,748 Comments
“More Trump tapes surface with crude sex remarks” => 4,403 Comments
“Donald Trump’s doubling down on the Central Park Five” => 20 comments
It’s only one example, but it suggests that people – even those opposed to Trump – don’t really give much of a shit about what Trump says about black people.
Lizzy L
@Anoniminous: WSJ has an article about Sanders stumping for Clinton.
? Martin
@Anoniminous: Polling among 18-30 year olds show Clinton ahead 51-22 with 12% Johnson and 5% Stein. Among whites she’s up 41-31.
And that was before the tape dropped.
aimai
@Brent: A line can sound “canned” when its not, and speaking “extemporaneously” is an art based on lots and lots of preparation. I stand by my comment. Its typical of the idiot negativity of HRC’s critics that they demand she prepare for toxic attacks from Trump but that she never show that she has prepared. I take it amiss because its really typical of lots of the soft democratic support that they are never, ever, willing to cut HRC some slack or defend her after she takes her at bat. I contrast this to Trump’s supporters–they would never, ever, attack Trump for any reason, never criticize him, never try to undercut his performance. I am sick and tired of the backbenchers and the couch warriors constantly demanding a level of perfection for HRC that they could never, in a million years, achieve themselves. So fucking what iif her response to Trump’s assault is, in the end, slightly imperfect, shopworn, or not the equivalent of a stand up comic with a neutron bomb? She’s running for President–the fucking job is what is important. And I wish her critics would remember that this is a trial by fire for her IN ORDER TO GET TO DO A FUCKING HARD AND THANKLESS JOB. If she wears the wrong color pantsuit, dosn’t smile enough, or doesn’t get off the zinger you think you wish she had said then fuck you very much and get over yourself because that is not her job. She’s not an entertainer. She’s a hard working politiian asking for the chance to work her ass off for the entire country.
Mandalay
Yesterday WaPo published a ton of stories about Trump which allowed readers to comment:
– “Trump recorded having extremely lewd conversation about women in 2005” => 32,404 Comments
– “GOP consumed by crisis as more Republicans call on Trump to quit race” => 11,748 Comments
– “More Trump tapes surface with crude sex remarks” => 4,403 Comments
– “Donald Trump’s doubling down on the Central Park Five” => 20 comments
It’s only one example, but it suggests that people – even those opposed to Trump – don’t really give much of a shit about what Trump says about black people.
redshirt
@aimai: Fantastic!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
and if I have the demo right, Romney beat Obama in 2012
Amir Khalid
@WaterGirl:
To count on Trump to do well in a debate against Hillary Clinton is to bet on a long, long shot.
lgerard
Did anyone ask Rudy about the Central Park 5?
He was Mayor by the time they were prosecuted
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@aimai: “smiling” is the thing that most prominently sets her coverage apart from Gore’s and Kerry’s, IIRC, and Gore is about the only male candidate I can remember whose wardrobe was a prominent part of “serious” news coverage
I know, Obama and tan suit and mom jeans, but that was mostly wing nuts and snarky yuppie twitter. I know I mocked W’s presidential crocs
hovercraft
@WaterGirl:
They do have prayer to fall back on after all the are God’s people. So this being the Lords Day he could deliver a miracle for the tonight.
@Kay:
Since this is pretty much basic pop psychology, bullies are weak and insecure people. Ergo the orange shitgibbon is a weak insecure coward.
Betty Cracker
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck: If he does what you say, he’ll blow it by coming off as desperate and unhinged.
@shomi: What’s your damage, Heather?
Mandalay
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:
You may be right that things are different if the target becomes white women. I am (naively?) assuming that the source of their outrage was more generic: Trump’s attitude towards women in general.
dmsilev
@Amir Khalid:
Are we still in a media mode where Trump just has to “beat expectations” to win? Because if nothing else, he’s succeeded in setting the expectation bar very very very low.
RedDirtGirl
@aimai: Get that to the campaign team STAT!
hovercraft
David Brody is reprehensible. You would think the Christian Broadcasting Network would at least pretend that there was something “Christian” about them, and not that they are simply republican toadies. For Brody to say on national TV that he knows Trump and that the Trump we saw/heard on that tape is not the real Trump, should cause his God to smite him on the spot, and he should have burst into flames.
Anoniminous
@Lizzy L:
Yup. Bernie is out there, doing what he does: haranguing the mob. :-)
@? Martin:
Yeah, she’s gonna win this thing and Dems will take the Senate.
Anoniminous
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
According to Roper, among white voters Romney beat Obama by 20 points in 2012.
debbie
@aimai:
Nice, but she needs to get that “You know nothing about a normal, sincere, long term, marriage or what people mean when they vow to stay together through good times and bad. I stuck by my vows and that is what matters to me” out first and then go into his groping, etc. Much more effective.
Mark B
@dmsilev:
Right now, if he collapses into fetal position midway through the debate he’ll be given credit for lasting that long before imploding. The bar is so low that there’s no conceivable way he can get below it. But just because it’s inconceivable doesn’t mean that he can’t do it.
Humdog
@Betty Cracker:
@shomi: What’s your damage, Heather?
I love you, Betty C
Shalimar
So Donald Trump lets himself into areas he knows he isn’t welcome so he can stare at naked women without their permission.
Question to ask everyone who still supports Mr. Trump: If Donald Trump were your neighbor, would you trust him with a key to your house? Are you sure that he wouldn’t let himself in when your wife or daughter was taking a shower and corner them there?
hovercraft
@aimai:
That would be amazing.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Shalimar: remember when “who would you trust to babysit?” was a Thing?
Brent
@aimai: Fair enough. I don’t disagree with any of that. I was really just responding from my own experience teaching undergrads, back when I was a grad student, how to communicate in speeches and debates.
As you say, effective extemporaneity proceeds from practice and preparation. I haven’t any doubt that Clinton will do well this evening. This sort of thing is really in her wheelhouse.
Mandalay
@hovercraft: Tony Perkins,of the Family Research Council has a watertight defense for supporting Trump regardless of what he says or does:
That argument is not so different from folks here who regularly say vote for Hillary whether you like her or not because SCOTUS. And as a Christian I guess Perkins can also play the forgiveness card.
There is absolutely nothing that Trump can say or do that will stop some conservative Christians from supporting him.
Amir Khalid
@dmsilev:
I’m not sure. That didn’t really work for him a fortnight ago, did it? And he’s squandered a lot of public sympathy this weekend; I suspect only the most hardcore of the Trumpenvolk would let him get by on beating low expectations.
MomSense
I’m not sure whether I will watch the debate or not tonight. I’ve had to turn off the news and try to settle myself. I’m a little surprised by how the last few days have triggered previous trauma. I’m usually much better at coping but it is wall to wall talk about rape, assault, and harassment the last few days. It’s been a long time since I have felt like this and I bet there are a lot of us feeling the way I am.
My mom turned on Andrea Mitchell and I swear she said Bill Clinton rape twice in about 3 minutes. Our media are scrambling to try and find some way to turn this into both sides are equally awful. It makes me so angry.
Smiling Mortician
@shomi:
False. Stern is a Hillary supporter.
Hal
@hovercraft: CBN was founded by Pat Robertson, so no surprise there. Robertson is a vile, hateful human being and a total fraud. All of CBN is just right wing politics masquerading as religion.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
We may finally see the Clinton standard– “Prove Your Innocence”– applied to Trump, about something that’s very easy to understand.
Mandalay
@shomi:
You need to read a few of the many articles out there which dissect how Stern repeatedly and deliberately played Trump like a cheap banjo in his interviews. And Trump kept going back for more – he had no clue that he was being ridiculed and humiliated.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Anya
@Anoniminous: Did you miss the point I was making? I was listing the usual media attacks on Clinton. Read it again.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He and his properties should be boycotted and made to pay a price for this decision. Free market!
Anya
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Burnett is a bible thumper. How can someone who claims to be “christian” support someone like Trump?
Shalimar
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Is saying n-word a bunch of times really much worse than sexually assaulting every attractive woman you have ever met? What Republicans get embarrassed about is really confusing to me.
dmsilev
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: There are probably multiple news organizations which would pay that five million in return for an exclusive scoop.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Shalimar: Trump was dropping an N-bomb every time he said “birth certificate”. actual audio would just make it impossible for a still mostly white media that is terrified to frankly discuss anti-black racism to say things like “racially tinged” and “racially charged” and “comments seen by many as racially insensitive”
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Who is Burnett in that tweet?
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
It’s fun thinking up put-down lines for Hillary to say, and I enjoy reading the creativity of my fellow Juicers. But here’s the great thing about the Darwinistic effect of decades of Republican sliming and lying: the surviving politicians like Obama and Hillary are really, really good at this. I completely trust that she’s going to have a putdown, and a response to the attempts to use Clinton’s affairs as an avenue of attack, better than anything any of us have dreamed of.
Not sure if that’s going to be enough to get me to tune into 90 minutes of Trump’s voice. But I’ll watch the live blogs.
Villago Delenda Est
@hovercraft: Well, we know there is no FSM, because Brody hasn’t drowned in Alfredo sauce yet.
? Martin
@dmsilev:
To the contrary – Trump is now seen as in such peril that he’s got to win this in a blowout. Going into the last debate Trump was close in the polls and gaining. He just needed to limit the damage against him. Now he’s 5 behind, expected to be more like 7 behind after the tape gets polled, and falling. He’s got to reverse a perceived free-fall. That’s huge pressure.
hovercraft
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The tan suit is a particular bugaboo of Jonathan Capehart’s, I’m pretty sur that every year when Obama breaks it out Capehart writes a column about it. That may be because Jonathan sees himself as a fashionista, but I just want him to get over himself and stop being such a fashion diva, because obviously Obama likes his tan suit and doesn’t care what you think about it, and if Michelle hated it, it would be gone by now, so shut up.
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym: By “Clinton” I mean Bill of course. But I can’t edit because FYWP will moderate my comment if I do.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Steeplejack (tablet): Mark Burnett, TV producer of Survivor, The Voice, etc and Trump’s partner and producer of the Apprentice, owner of all the ‘much worse’ tape said to be in existence
hovercraft
@MomSense:
Mitchell is in her own special category, she hates Hillary and will harp on anything and everything that she thinks will bring her down.
Anya
Do we really need a tape of Trump using the n-word for people to know he’s a racist douchebag?
Overstatedpathos
@germy: Both she and her areodynamic husband spoke at my graduation. I was genuinely surprised how charming she could be when musing on ecumenical subjects, e.g., being married to a crazy person.
? Martin
@Shalimar:
It’s not about being embarrassed. Its about not being able to deny it and spin it away. They could make excuses for his statements – it was an act, he didn’t mean it that way, it’s all hearsay. On video, in context, there’s no excusing it away. You’re stuck with it.
Trump saying ‘nigger’ on camera is the same if it’s clear he’s not acting. It’s inexcusable.
Republicans are okay if their candidate says these things so long as they don’t have to own them as supporters. Democrats are no different. We can tolerate the Broderick stuff out there because we don’t believe it and we can point to reasons not to believe it. Should there be video of it, there’s no denying it. As supporters we can’t explain it away, and that forces us to confront our own ideals. If we oppose that speech or those acts, we have to denounce.
Redshift
@MomSense: I feel for you. Someone close to me keeps wondering (after people like Akin, and now Trump) if we’re every going to have an election where there isn’t nonstop talk about rape.
Sadly, probably not unless the GOP collapses or until its oldest couple of generations (at least) die off.
? Martin
@Anya: Yes, unfortunately.
Barbara
@shomi: Not true, not if you are renting. I know the NY law on this because we have had to remind my daughter’s landlord on this point more than once. Trump talks and apparently acts like droit de seigneur is still in effect when it was already on the way out by the dawn of the 19th century. Trump: Setting women back at least 200 years. Yeah, it would not surprise me if for some people that would make America great again.
Auntie Beak
Thing is, for this guy, there seems to need to be an element of humiliation in his sexual encounters. It’s so gross.
Redshift
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym: And she’ll know whether to use a putdown or not. The most effective bits from the last debate were land mines that caused him to destroy himself, not direct attacks. And some of the most effective tactics were subtle – calling him Donald instead of Mr. Trump, never looking at him, just at the camera. And this will be a town hall format, where attacks will seem forced unless they really relate to the question, and where her far superior ability to relate to people one on one should be used to maximum advantage.
In short, I trust her to know what she’s doing too, and will not be disappointed if no “zingers” come out of this debate.
hovercraft
@dmsilev: @? Martin:
He needs to actually win now, just standing up and not stepping on his dick is no longer enough. He has to actually convince people to vote for him. Before all he had to do was show himself to be competent, now he has to reverse the impression of him as a sexual predator who assaults women who are in subordinate positions. He is not just trying to show he is qualified to be in the game, he is now trying to get back up the level where he can be even considered.
Vhh
@Villago Delenda Est: They know that, and so will probably lay off the Both Sides Do it so as to avoid the tumbrels.
Barbara
@hovercraft: From what I can tell the Obamas might agree to disagree on sartorial matters. Obama is notoriously frugal about clothes and has professed shock at how much “some people” spend on clothing.
hueyplong
Mark Burnett’s lawsuit threats make it clear that (1) there is more stuff that will be very damaging to Trump and (2) he knows all about it and is sitting on it. Happily, this looks to be another of those rare instances in which an underpaid, overworked employee gets to do something dramatic. Farenthold’s narrative on MSNBC Friday night makes it clear that he’ll publish the same day if he establishes authenticity that quickly, so the Access Hollywood (or NBC) employee knows where to send it.
Corner Stone
“We haven’t verified those leaks yet but it raises questions…”
MSNBC just now. Your liberal media at work.
hovercraft
@shomi:
Not in New York, if it is a non emergency situation your landlord must give you notice that they will be entering your residence and provide a legitimate reason for doing so. People have rights, even lowly tenants.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Good god
Corner Stone
@shomi:
You are out of your fucking mind. Try that and watch as your former property is sold to settle judgments against you.
Brachiator
@germy:
You’re absolutely right about how she came across.
But she dug in and tried to defend the idea that Trump was just talking trash.
On Bill Maher’s show, James Carville claimed that she had switched her party registration to Libertarian.
Millard Filmore
@Bill E Pilgrim:
I guess we all have things we want Hillary Clinton to say. Here is what I want to see:
[H] …some blah blah blah lead in… All the women that Bill was involved with were of age (look across to Trump 3 or 4 seconds), all were willing (look across to Trump 3 or 4 seconds), Bill was at best distantly removed from any position of authority over them (look across to Trump 3 or 4 seconds), and none were random strangers. …and then whatever…
Anya
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He’s a less flashy Trump. I was trying to remember an Obama controversy involving Burnett and I remembered the Obama lookalike actor playing Satan
Corner Stone
@Millard Filmore: That’s…uhhh…that’s really what you wish HRC would respond with?
? Martin
@hueyplong: NBC needs to consider their liability releasing video of someone on contract in a situation like this. Everyone else is free and clear, but NBC may not be.
Anya
@? Martin: I hate post Trump America
? Martin
@Anya: Well, pre-Trump America that video would be lethal. If that were McCain, game over. Today, I think Trump holds a surprising amount of support. The GOP base has shifted a lot. They’re emboldened.
hovercraft
The Donald is toast:
That was Steve Schmidt on Meet the Press this morning. Ouch.
Iowa Old Lady
@Redshift: I think you’re right about the zingers. To me, they feel inappropriate in a town hall because they might sound aggressive against the audience asking the questions.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@hovercraft: Day-yum.
Coming from Schmidt, that really makes me wonder about those fabled “internal polls”
Brachiator
@MomSense:
This has almost been forgotten as some reporters have tried to reduce this issue to politics as usual.
But some reporters and anchors have tried to deal with this with sensitivity.
Ruckus
@aimai:
Perfect. Absolutely perfect.
Van Buren
@germy: Flint and Wells Fargo were CAUSED by excessive regulation. Sheesh. I thought everyone knew that.
Redshift
@Millard Filmore: Hmmm, no. When you’re explaining, you’re losing. There is nothing that is believed outside of the wingnut fever swamps that remotely approaches Trump’s behavior, and there is no benefit to treating such accusations as if they deserve a reasoned response (even without the factor that Bill isn’t running for president and Hillary isn’t responsible for him.)
Brush it off or talk about his bizarre desperation, but nothing more. If any mainstream media outlet decide they need to “explain” what he was talking about, they’ll get to report the nothingburger and the right-wrong conspiracy theories he’s taking as truth, which would be a further win.
redshirt
@hovercraft: Wow. That’s harsh truths right there. Surprised it was allowed on TV.
bystander
@CarolDuhart2: I attended a speech she gave for the employees of a major bank during the 2008 campaign. Now, she may give some separate speech to a handful of the top execs, but the one I attended mid to top tier. The discussion was completely benign and of whole cloth with her campaign.
I’m going with unhinged tonight. Trump will be striking out at Clinton, and he’ll swing for the fences. Clinton should just respond that she is the candidate and not her husband. Clinton can also point out that she worked to repair her marriage and now enjoys sharing grandparenting with her one and only husband. She also doesn’t exist caught up in a network of settlement agreements and NDAs and prenups.
bystander
@hovercraft: Unfortunately Steve is about as accurate as Bill Kristol. But I hope he’s right if only just this once. “Chuck Schemer” was a nice touch.
Brachiator
@hovercraft:
Schmidt represents part of the split in the GOP leadership, and the rift between the leadership and Republican Voters. A growing group of the leadership wants to dump Trump, but a core group of voters are fiercely dedicated to him.
The Republicans screwed up when they failed to jettison him early on. Now they are stuck with him. They can’t get rid of him, no matter what he says or does, without angering a good chunk of their base.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@bystander: that’s a WP autocorrect that’s comically appropriate
I’ll ask the open question I asked yesterday: Does anyone know if Schumer is on-record as supporting an end to the filibuster?
(corrected that one, not sure why)
Millard Filmore
@Corner Stone:
Hey! There’s good reasons why I am not in charge.
Ruckus
@bystander:
While being exactly true and a proper thing to say, this is backwards to wingers. They want the perceived 50s back. 1750, 1850, 1950 doesn’t really matter, they want to go back to a time when women and minorities knew their place. They want to conserve a way of life, even if that way didn’t exist or was and is wrong. Donnie is the epitome of white male privilege, he gets to do what he wants, to whom he wants, when he wants. They don’t see anything wrong with the video because that’s what they imagine themselves doing.
redshirt
@Ruckus: Who cares what the Wingers think? They’re nuts.
SFAW
@shomi:
Fucking move on already. Get your own fucking blog, bot, and you can call everyone there a pantswetter.
Doing it here, you’re just becoming more Trump-like.
SFAW
@burnspbesq:
No shit. It’s like Limbaugh with his (former, perhaps current as well) talk regarding “anal poisoning.” Seemed to be a large focus (so to speak) on anal stuff, I wonder why that would be.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
He’s been pretty well off my radar these last few years, I hadn’t heard that one and can’t imagine what the hell he’s talking about. They were playing a clip of him talking to Pence, or Trump, and whining about the “drive-by media”, a term IIRC Laura Ingraham coined, after spending a week in the Green Zone in Baghdad, about people like Michael Ware and Lara Logan.
Coin operated
@shomi: Former Oregon rental property owner here. Outside of an actual emergency, entering a rental property without first informing the tenant is a sure-fire way to get your ass handed to you in court. You’re a fucking moron.
Edited for spelling
Ruckus
@Coin operated:
Don’t know what you misspelled but you got “You’re a fucking moron” correct, in both spelling and content.
Lizzy L
I can understand why digby and Krugman are uneasy. The emessem are fickle and mean and they appear to be addicted to Both-Sides-Do-It. But I am not worried about the debate tonight. This format is terrific for Clinton; she connects well in small groups and in responding to individuals. If Trump brings up Bill Clinton’s history, she’s going to say some variant of, “I’m the one running for President, Donald. Deal with me.” She will refuse to be baited or played, and it will drive him nuts. I don’t expect him to have a good time tonight, and I don’t think things are going to get much easier for him, going forward.
Totally agree with whoever pointed out that the Goldman Sachs speeches are a nothingburger. The vast right wing conspirators are disappointed.
Emma
@aimai: Late to the discussion but BRAVA!!!
JR in WV
@RareSanity:
Giants at Green Bay is the obvious choice if the debate is boring. What’s TMZ? Or those other shows you name?
SFAW
@Ruckus:
Originally spelled it “egermency.”
liberal
@aimai:
More tripe from the Iraq AUMF apologist.
Getting written into the history books, and being granted the most powerful leadership position in the world, is a “thankless job”?
LOL.
liberal
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Difference is that Bush 43 definitely came across as someone who was full of shit, claims that “he’s a guy you could have a beer with” notwithstanding.
liberal
@Mandalay: IIRC that dude himself is a perv.
Citizen Alan
@Anya:
Hell, how can someone who claims to be “Christian” be responsible for decades worth of Survivor, a show that celebrates backstabbing ruthlessness as the highest possible virtue?
Philbert
@Ruckus: How about ‘ Well Donald knows much more about infidelity than I do. I am proud to have kept my vows and I have made my marriage work, and if you are jealous that’s your problem. ..’
But she has done well enough without my advice.
Johannes
@shomi: Easy, Shomi; I’m pulling for HRC. I just share Krugthulhu’s distrust of the media.
Johannes
@aimai: Prepped on topic and theme, not verbatim. When I argue in court, I have bullet points, not lines.
Johannes
@aimai: Sorry, I replied before reading your thoughtful and nuanced reply to Brent. I actually agree with you both as to much of what you said there, but also on your comments regarding the extra scrutiny HRC unfairly receives. I’m kind of a fan, actually, especially of your comments on LGM.
I just want her to trounce the Trumpenfuhrer. Hard. And I believe she can, and trust she will. The media recognizing she’s done it is my concern.