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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Dolt 45 / Thursday Evening Open Thread: Meanwhile, at the Embassy…

Thursday Evening Open Thread: Meanwhile, at the Embassy…

by Anne Laurie|  June 1, 20175:36 pm| 131 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Russiagate, Assholes, Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated?

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One of the things I despise about the Trump era is how the likelihood of crazy conspiracy theories being true keeps rising. https://t.co/HMaYdEV8ms

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) June 1, 2017

Murphy the Trickster God is testing the limits of verisimilitude…

Nigel Farage is 'person of interest' in FBI investigation into Trump and Russia https://t.co/owlTeucwa0

— Guardian politics (@GdnPolitics) June 1, 2017

#TBT @BuzzFeed caught Farage leaving the embassy where Assange lives & he said he couldn't remember why he was there https://t.co/1GeMkzanDa https://t.co/uJQOgEM9kk

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) June 1, 2017

(#TBT = ThrowBack Thursday)

god, could you imagine if your international conspiracy depended on Nigel fucking Farage as courier?

— pineapple pizzaface (@ZeddRebel) June 1, 2017

When very dumb people are involved, every dumb conspiracy theory will come true: https://t.co/aoaJUy2jod

— (((Bill B in DC))) (@BillBindc) June 1, 2017


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THANKS AGAIN, REPUBLICANS!

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  1. 1.

    MisterForkbeard

    June 1, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    One of the things I despise about the Trump era is how the likelihood of crazy conspiracy theories being true keeps rising

    I was mentioning this to a Trumpist acquaintance of mine a couple of days ago. He’d accused democrats of being the REAL conspiracy theorists, and I’d replied with: “Look at the most outlandish stuff proposed by marginally democratic voters about Trump during the election. Jesus, most of it is actually true and we’ve got proof of a lot of it – with investigations into the rest that look pretty worrisome.”

    I feel bad, because it DOES feel like going into CT/tinfoil-hat land if you start talking about Trump entanglements with Russia, or coverups. But unlike the breathless accusations of Republicans over the past 8 years…. this stuff was all done in plain sight. Much of it was documented, and Trump or his kids have admitted much of it over time (such as being heavily in hock to Russians).

  2. 2.

    No One of Consequence

    June 1, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    Can I just specify here, that I deeply loathe the Resident, and the Republicans as an entire group now?

    We have known for some time that they have little morality, despite strident professing to the contrary. They have little integrity, as opposed to their bloviating statements about political rivals. They have an active, malicious mendacity to them, whilst decrying the other side and their crippling of American BizNezz.

    I am hoping for continued overreach. When the pendulum swings back the other way, I want to build an enclosure to keep us on the correct side of history. These sonsabishes are going to insure that we have nothing left to save at this point.

    Fuggin’ spittin’ mad after hearing the CheetoBenito on BBC WorldService for 6 minutes talking about his concern for the well being of the citizens of this once-great nation.

    Once again, my fellow shit-heel Americans, the Electoral College was *CONSTRUCTED* to *KEEP US FROM THIS VERY THING*…

    And you morons didn’t even use it…

    Publicly financed elections, and *NOW*. Additionally, making campaign contributions illegal. Public money, traceable, and keep a level playing field. So the best ideas and person wins, not the ones with the most cronies and the least unpurchsed portion of soul left in residence…

    We have done great things in this nation. Incredible things. This presidency will not be listed among them.

    Well, the incredible part maybe… Or rather incredulous…

    Bah.

    – NOoC

  3. 3.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 1, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    RIP Manuel Noriega

    A giant of the 20th century gone, too soon, at age 83.

  4. 4.

    Mezz

    June 1, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    The number of people with a vested interest in getting this man – fuck, this entire Republican party – absolutely far away from ANY power is growing exponentially. And now, GLOBALLY.
    The Ignorant Doofus will reap what he sows when Merkel dimes some brilliant smoking gun to the Washington Post.

  5. 5.

    Mezz

    June 1, 2017 at 5:52 pm

    @No One of Consequence:

    I’m a little confused by what you mean in this comment here:

    the Electoral College was *CONSTRUCTED* to *KEEP US FROM THIS VERY THING*…

    How did you mean that? The Electoral College was specifically designed to be anti-democratic, because the men who wrote the Constitution were petrified of continued nonsense like Daniel Shays’. They detested actual democracy. So that’s why they made the Electoral College – to keep actual democracy (“One white man, one white vote” in 1783) from happening.

  6. 6.

    TenguPhule

    June 1, 2017 at 5:52 pm

    @Mezz:

    The number of people with a vested interest in getting this man – fuck, this entire Republican party – absolutely far away from ANY power is growing exponentially. And now, GLOBALLY.

    MI5 and Mossad must be seriously considering all their options by now.

  7. 7.

    SatanicPanic

    June 1, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    @No One of Consequence: I’m not sure publicly financed elections would make a difference. Trump got most of his media for free.

  8. 8.

    ruemara

    June 1, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    Thank the Never Hillarys and the Jill Steiners and the No One Is Worthy Of My Vote. They own this shit too. Trump was an obvious disaster with strange ties to Russia. Always.

  9. 9.

    Mike in NC

    June 1, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Ironic that Manny Noriega and so many other international bad actors ended up on the payroll of the US government (usually CIA) at one time or another. Bannon is probably collecting resumes from convicted serial killers right now.

  10. 10.

    MisterForkbeard

    June 1, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    @SatanicPanic: Huge parts of his campaign WERE publicly financed. By Russia. :)

  11. 11.

    lamh36

    June 1, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    Ugh…it’s been raining all week here in NOLA…realized that today is the first day of hurricane season, and of course FEMA doesn’t have a fuq’n Director (the nominee is pending or something, although there is an acting director)…so day to day, I guess they will be covered, but hurricane season last until November!!!

    So…basically we are almost surely fuq’ed!!!

  12. 12.

    jl

    June 1, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    As I said before, interesting how news items from months ago, that made connecting the dots easy, suddenly reappear as big news.
    I guess because the investigative reports finally get written up and time to leak, or make an announcement, a source decides to make sure it makes the headlines?

    I was confused for a bit when the media decided a few days ago that Trump’s attempt to use IC to obstruct FBI probe was news. I thought for a while there was new news there. But nope, the same stuff was known publicly for weeks, at least.

  13. 13.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 1, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    May I be incredibly petty and lookist for a moment, please?

    I didn’t watch the Rose Garden speech (listened to as much as I could stand) but now I’ve seen some video clips and still photos, and holy fuck, the President of the United States is wearing a suit jacket that looks for all the world as though he just grabbed it, still slightly damp, out of the clothes dryer. The shoulders are lumpy and uneven. The sleeves are wrinkled, and the lapels are creased and curl up at the corners.

    I suppose in the great scheme of things it’s not all that important that this man dresses like a slob (tie down to his crotch, and scotch-taped in place, too), but as long as he represents America to the rest of the world, this is just one more way he’s an embarrassment. And of course, it’s especially noticeable and disquieting after eight years of the always-impeccable Barack Obama.

    Sorry to focus on inessentials, but the sloppiness disturbs me.

  14. 14.

    SatanicPanic

    June 1, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: Also true! well played sir

  15. 15.

    Ian G.

    June 1, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    I love Shitgibbon’s reference to Pittsburgh. You know he has no fuckin’ idea what drives the economy of Pittsburgh, but he has heard of John Cole’s favorite football team and thinks tens of thousands are laboring away in Andrew Carnegie’s blast furnaces.

    I guess we should be happy Shitgibbon didn’t think of Pittsburgh’s baseball team first, otherwise he might be trying to withdraw from treaties that forbid plundering ships of the Spanish crown.

  16. 16.

    TenguPhule

    June 1, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    @lamh36:

    So…basically we are almost surely fuq’ed!!!

    It must be a day ending in y.

  17. 17.

    Mnemosyne

    June 1, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    Honestly, a good half of the reason places like Breitbart push conspiracy theories about Democrats and liberals is to pre-discredit any bad stories about Republicans and conservatives. When you’ve already convinced almost half the country that Hillary killed Vince Foster, they’re going to dismiss the stories about David Vitter wearing a diaper with hookers out of hand. It must be one of those fake news stories you hear so much about.

  18. 18.

    Jeffro

    June 1, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    Would just like to take a note to say, I’m quite impressed with the loud, principled, and constant opposition to all things GOP…no, not the Dems…the ACLU. They could be defending the odd free speech case here and there, but they were quick to respond to Trumpov’s stupid speech today about backing out of the Paris Agreement just as they have so many other times since last November.

  19. 19.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 1, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Devotees of the St Sanders of Vermont told me that sloppiness is a virtue, when a pale man does it.

  20. 20.

    Cacti

    June 1, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    Here’s a depressing thought:

    The U.S. is now officially behind the Vatican when it comes to understanding of contemporary science…

    An institution that once came within a whisper of putting Galileo to the torch.

  21. 21.

    Mezz

    June 1, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    @TenguPhule: Sweet Ceiling Cat let us hope so

  22. 22.

    Repatriated

    June 1, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    @jl: Perhaps it is just that reporters are finally getting confirmation from addtional sources now, reviving initial speculative reports again with far less speculation required.

  23. 23.

    No One of Consequence

    June 1, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    @Mezz: I mean that it was put together to keep those of low character from the highest office in the land. It is indeed subversive of democracy. I believe in hindsight, we will agree that such an action would have been preferable to the fustercluck that will be left when this embarrassment either vacates or is removed from the office.

    – NOoC

  24. 24.

    HumboldtBlue

    June 1, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    It’s like knockoff Goodfellas met Fawlty Towers people who were being advised by the folks from “F” Troop.

  25. 25.

    lollipopguild

    June 1, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: In this case the outer shabbiness is a marker for the inner shabbiness and emptiness. He is like a small child that dresses badly as a way of giving everybody the finger.

  26. 26.

    Mnemosyne

    June 1, 2017 at 6:11 pm

    @Cacti:

    I got confused for a minute, because Pope Frankie issued an encyclical saying that climate change is real and is a moral issue as well as a scientific one. In fact, he gave Trump an autographed copy of it. ?

  27. 27.

    Cacti

    June 1, 2017 at 6:12 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Sorry, should have said “officially lags behind”.

  28. 28.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 1, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    @Mnemosyne: He has a degree in Chemistry, so I am not surprised.

  29. 29.

    MattF

    June 1, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    @lollipopguild: It also means he doesn’t let anyone touch him. Normally, I’d expect that aides look the boss over before he appears in public. But not Trump.

  30. 30.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 1, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Well, I’m something of a slob myself (as you know), but then I have no aspirations of representing the country either to itself or on an international stage. And even the Holy Man of Vermont brings a certain flair to his own brand of unkemptness.

  31. 31.

    Bobby Thomson

    June 1, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    I’ve seen enough of them to know conspiracies are very real.

  32. 32.

    debbie

    June 1, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Guess he’s gone back to wearing his own line of clothes.

  33. 33.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 1, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    @lollipopguild:

    In this case the outer shabbiness is a marker for the inner shabbiness and emptiness.

    I left the Anglican/Episcopal Church many decades ago, but I’ve always retained the definition of a sacrament: An outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace. As you insightfully note, Trump turns that entirely inside-out.

  34. 34.

    kindness

    June 1, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    ‘Thanks Again Republicans’? Republicans gotta fuck those rats. It’s what they do.

    Now ‘Democrats’ who voted for Jill Stein or wrote in Bernie (you know who you are) I hope to never meet in a dark alley.

  35. 35.

    debbie

    June 1, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    All I know is my farmer’s market now has raspberries and those little strawberries, and I am in hog heaven!

  36. 36.

    Bobby Thomson

    June 1, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: regarding superficial clothing shit (aka the bread and butter of political “journalists”), something about a rat’s ass

  37. 37.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 1, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    the always-impeccable Barack Obama.

    How short your memory. Don’t you recall when he offended everyone in sight by wearing a tan suit? Or by being jacket-and-tie-less in the Oval Office?

  38. 38.

    lollipopguild

    June 1, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    @MattF: A good staff would give him the once over to make sure the tie is straight and his zipper is up and a good boss would let them do this. His staff is not going to say any thing because he would yell at them. He is getting what he deserves and has coming to him.

  39. 39.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 1, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    @Ian G.: Allegheny County (where Pittsburgh is) went 55% for HRC.

  40. 40.

    Mnemosyne

    June 1, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I suspect that both Sanders’ and Trump’s unkemptness is meant to signal that they are Men Of The People. It’s just that it’s slightly more plausible coming from Sanders, who at least is not the privileged son of a millionaire.

  41. 41.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 1, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    @kindness: shouldn’t they hope to never meet you?

  42. 42.

    Wag

    June 1, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    and who could forgot “mom jeans?”

  43. 43.

    ruckus

    June 1, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    If I’m not massively mistaken, shrub was normally reasonable dressed. IOW he didn’t normally look like he had slept off a bender for 4 days in the same suit. Which he’d picked up off the floor from the last time. And which he’d bought at a rummage sale.

  44. 44.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 1, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    the always-impeccable Barack Obama.

    How short your memory. Don’t you recall when he offended everyone in sight by wearing a tan suit? Or by being jacket-and-tie-less in the Oval Office?

    You’re right, he was occasionally peccable.

  45. 45.

    kindness

    June 1, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Yes but I am too polite to be that up front.

  46. 46.

    Baud

    June 1, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I suppose in the great scheme of things it’s not all that important that this man dresses like a slob

    I promise that, as president, I will not dress like a slob.

  47. 47.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 1, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    @kindness: how characteristically kind of you.

  48. 48.

    Quinerly

    June 1, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    Apologies if someone has already posted this. Poco, the traveling dog, and I just got back. I’m catching up. Looking for answers and only finding more questions: washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/05/31/why-does-trump-keep-getting-basic-facts-wrong/?…

  49. 49.

    different-church-lady

    June 1, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    @Mezz:

    And now, GLOBALLY.

    Maybe the best thing we could do right now is arrange a caretaker occupation by an ally*.

    (*Saying we have any left by tomorrow…)

  50. 50.

    jl

    June 1, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    @Repatriated: Maybe so. Maybe news outlets wait until some inside source can confirm the dot connecting. But I think Buzzfeed, or HuffPo, or some such organization staked out the embassy and saw Farage, and then he lied about the meeting long ago.

  51. 51.

    lollipopguild

    June 1, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: There was also that time Obama was photographed with his feet up on his desk, I believe that Hell froze over for 5 minutes that day.

  52. 52.

    jl

    June 1, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    @Baud:

    ” I promise that, as president, I will not dress like a slob. ”

    Hobo chic is never goes out of style.

  53. 53.

    different-church-lady

    June 1, 2017 at 6:30 pm

    Dammit folks, I’m late on this, but really, “Il Duce and Gabbana” for a title on that previous thread was just freakin’ genius!

  54. 54.

    Cheryl Rofer

    June 1, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    Trump said he was representing the people of Pittsburgh, but here’s the mayor, who is a little closer to the folks.

    As the Mayor of Pittsburgh, I can assure you that we will follow the guidelines of the Paris Agreement for our people, our economy & future. t.co/3znXGTcd8C

    — bill peduto (@billpeduto) June 1, 2017

  55. 55.

    lollipopguild

    June 1, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    @Baud: You could enter Washington naked on a Unicorn as far as I am concerned, as long as you are taking over for the current president.

  56. 56.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    @Baud: I thought the promise was “I will not dress.”

  57. 57.

    La Passionara

    June 1, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    @Quinerly: My guess is that he says what he wants to say and does not care whether his statements are true or not.

    Speaking of Truth, are you going to the march this Saturday?

  58. 58.

    realbtl

    June 1, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    @Baud: The question is will you be dressed at all.

  59. 59.

    Baud

    June 1, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    @lollipopguild: I would still look more dignified than Trump in that golf cart.

    @Gin & Tonic: That general promise includes the specific.

  60. 60.

    MoxieM

    June 1, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    Score one for the late nite German TV host who pointed out the Nigel Farage was a wanker (sotto voce even). He’s also the feller who wrote the ditty about Erdogan and got into hot water over it. (eta , Jan Böhmermann )

  61. 61.

    lollipopguild

    June 1, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: No, the promise was “I will not wear a dress”.

  62. 62.

    different-church-lady

    June 1, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    So, let’s look on the bright side here: the planet was fucked with or without the Paris Accord. In the face of mass starvation, who cares whether we took the lead on a futile gesture?

  63. 63.

    Emma

    June 1, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    @Cacti: Yes but even the worst reactionary in the Vatican has had to claw his way up against learned AND ruthless colleagues… call it evolution in action. Mr. Trump has had everything handed to him all his life. No evolutionary pressure.

  64. 64.

    different-church-lady

    June 1, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    @Baud:

    I would still look more dignified than Trump in that golf cart.

    A pound of baking lard could achieve that.

  65. 65.

    lollipopguild

    June 1, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @Baud: Especially if you were wearing a hat like Napoleon.

  66. 66.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 1, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @Baud: You’re not going to dress at all, are you?

  67. 67.

    ThresherK

    June 1, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: if he just spent all night poring over the accounts, or changing the oil, or any of the guy things (sic–archaic) which many of our dads and gramps did, then didn’t look like a GQ modes, that be one thing.

    Rumpled should speak of a person too busy to look nice.

  68. 68.

    Brachiator

    June 1, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I suspect that both Sanders’ and Trump’s unkemptness is meant to signal that they are Men Of The People. It’s just that it’s slightly more plausible coming from Sanders, who at least is not the privileged son of a millionaire.

    Incidental details of birth don’t make a person the man (or woman) of the people. FDR and Eleanor belonged to the plutocrat class, but were man and woman of the people.

    JFK won over the miners of West Virginia during the 1960 campaign and he was a Catholic plutocrat who talked with a funny Boston Brahmin accent.

    However, there are a lot of working class morons who strongly relate to Trump’s BS. Somehow, some Democrats keep missing this or keep underestimating this. “But he’s rich. How could anyone middle class believe in him?” Just watch.

  69. 69.

    Corner Stone

    June 1, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: One would have assumed one would by now realize the peril of asking this question.

  70. 70.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 1, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    @Brachiator: I don’t think that they’re missing it, they’re just exasperated.

  71. 71.

    lollipopguild

    June 1, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    @ThresherK: Rumpled should speak of a person who is too kind and honest and hard working to spend a lot of time worrying about how they look. They have more important things to think about.

  72. 72.

    Mike in NC

    June 1, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    Whoever coined the term Ugly American could never have imagined a loon like Trump and his pack of jackals.

  73. 73.

    sm*t cl*de

    June 1, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    @Baud:

    I would still look more dignified than Trump in that golf cart

    How about an imperial palanquin?
    1.bp.blogspot.com/-XBZltmSZKoY/VvHp_9i33aI/AAAAAAAATJ8/UWgiZGd8TqMeu8lDA0AVbtAB-UWPJ_Nig/s1600/nero%…

  74. 74.

    jo6pac

    June 1, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    THANKS AGAIN, REPUBLICANS!

    Thanks again demodogs for running a candidate that only had her own interest in mind and not Americas citizens.

  75. 75.

    Baud

    June 1, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    @jo6pac: Jill Stein was a Green.

  76. 76.

    different-church-lady

    June 1, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    @jo6pac: I understood the “herp” part, but the “derp” bit threw me.

  77. 77.

    Baud

    June 1, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m pretty sure it’s considered a low crime or misdemeanor, so I should be ok.

  78. 78.

    Laura

    June 1, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    @Quinerly: Hi Poco, scritchy scratchy!

  79. 79.

    lollipopguild

    June 1, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: To some middle class and poor white people Trump is what they think a rich and successful person looks and acts like. “He’s a success, we need to vote for him!” Others voted for him without buying any of his BS because it was the perfect way to give an very large middle finger to everyone in America that they hate.

  80. 80.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 1, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    @Baud:

    I promise that, as president, I will not dress like a slob.

    You just secured my vote. And what a bumper sticker!!

  81. 81.

    sm*t cl*de

    June 1, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Incidental details of birth don’t make a person the man (or woman) of the people.

    I learned last year from Halperin that Trump is a blue-collar billionaire, a working-class Nero. He is a self-made man.
    Just as in all his other construction activities, he seems to have cut corners and used the cheapest, shoddiest materials available.

  82. 82.

    stinger

    June 1, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: And he’s forever walking around with it unbuttoned, drawing further attention to the tie/tie length. Most men unbutton the jacket to sit, button it when they stand (must be a pain, but hey, better than dancing backwards in high heels). I’d have thought his years on unreality TV shows would have taught him that, if his parents didn’t. But then, no one taught him not to shove other people, either.

  83. 83.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 1, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Good Gawd, the man put his feet up on the Resolute Desk!

    ETA: Never voting again for that Obama character.

  84. 84.

    Baud

    June 1, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Somehow, some Democrats keep missing this or keep underestimating this. “But he’s rich. How could anyone middle class believe in him?”

    I can’t recall hearing a Dem say anything like this. If anything, I think Dems thought (wrongly) that people would be turned off by his crudeness.

  85. 85.

    different-church-lady

    June 1, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    @Baud: ALOCANE, STAT!

  86. 86.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 1, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    @Corner Stone: Yeah, well… What can one say?

  87. 87.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 1, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Didn’t know he had passed. Thankfully he lived a long productive life.

  88. 88.

    gene108

    June 1, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    The difference between Trump and Sanders in dress is pretty stark. Bernie just doesn’t care, and probably never really cared to dress well.

    Trump was very fashion conscious, when he started rising to fame in the 1980’s.

    He wears the ill-tailored suites to hide how fat he is. Same with the overlong neckties. He’s in such bad shape he cannot look good, and he tries to cover it up as best he can.

  89. 89.

    geg6

    June 1, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Obama came here specifically to tout Pittsburgh’s “green city” initiatives a few years ago. Pittsburgh is NOT the smoky city any more and hasn’t been for several decades. Biggest industries are education, healthcare and high tech. Largest employer is the University of Pittsburgh/UPMC. Dolt 45 went to Monessen and Ambridge and thinks he knows Pittsburgh. There are adults who were born here that can’t tell you what the Steelers symbol stands for and where it came from. The hypocycloids were the logo for US Steel and the colors stand for iron ore (red orange), steel scrap (blue), and coal (yellow). Trump thinks we still do that shit here. We don’t and haven’t for years and have no desire to go back to it.

  90. 90.

    Elizabelle

    June 1, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    cleek? No. Tis K-Thug. Today’s column, just up. Krugman in FTF NY Times: Trump Gratuitously Rejects the Paris Climate Accord

    …Beyond this, much of today’s right seems driven above all by animus toward liberals rather than specific issues. If liberals are for it, they’re against it. If liberals hate it, it’s good. Add to this the anti-intellectualism of the G.O.P. base, for whom scientific consensus on an issue is a minus, not a plus, with extra bonus points for undermining anything associated with President Barack Obama.

    And if all this sounds too petty and vindictive to be the basis for momentous policy decisions, consider the character of the man in the White House. Need I say more?

    K-Thug. Channeling cleek.

  91. 91.

    jl

    June 1, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    @Baud:

    Dammit, I want an emperor who wears no clothes and brags about it.
    I want ballsy politician who is willing to show the goods.

  92. 92.

    EMedPA

    June 1, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Unless it was written in crayon at a third grade level, Trump’s copy of Francis’s encyclical remains unread.

  93. 93.

    Captain C

    June 1, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    @Baud:

    Jill Stein was a Green> Grifter

    FTFY.

    Someone pointed out on twitter that she has barely been heard from since she raised those millions in recount money, and that Green supporters are keeping mum on this.

  94. 94.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 1, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    @Elizabelle: Jonathon Chait, Mike Grunwald, Charlie Sykes. I hope Cleek sent him/herself Cleek’s Law by registered mail (which many people say has a the force of a court ruling, a very high court, the best).

    Michael Grunwald‏Verified account @ MikeGrunwald 4h4 hours ago
    My Paris story posts soon but basically Trump is flipping off fancy-pants elites, smarty-pants scientists, tree-hugging squishes & furners.

    @jo6pac: Thanks again demodogs for running a candidate that only had her own interest in mind

    What a moronic fucking comment. You and yours were too fucking stupid to see where your, and the world’s, interests lay. Now we all pay the price for your infantile self-indulgence. Feel “inspired” yet?

  95. 95.

    OGLiberal

    June 1, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: So did Lackawanna County, where Chris Matthews storied Scranton is located. But in PA’s other usually blue big metro area, Erie County swung 18pts, +16 for Obama in 2012 to +2 for Trump in 2016.

    Of course, the NYT spoke to those Trump voters. Of course, they are delusional. Of course, they chanted about emails and Benghazi. Of course, some of them didn’t like Trump but really didn’t her. Of course, some of them were scared of the growing refugee population, but mostly in the areas of the county where those refugees didn’t live:

    mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/politics/pennsylvania-trump-votes.html

    And somehow, the GE plant jobs from the union shop the in Erie that moved to a non-union shop in Texas was somehow the fault of Clinton and the Dems.

    Oh, and they weren’t very thankful to Obama and the Dems for preventing the country from falling into another depression

    But, E-ghazi….

  96. 96.

    Captain C

    June 1, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    @jo6pac: I thought Wilmer lost the primary.

  97. 97.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 1, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    @gene108: Agreed. Wearing loose clothing does not make you look less fat. Just looks like you are wearing a tent

  98. 98.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 1, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    @Baud: Being that you don’t wear clothing, that shouldn’t be a problem.

  99. 99.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 1, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: He dresses like an academic from the flower child era. Funny thing is, I have only seen pale male academics dress like hobos. Never women or other minorities.

    ETA: I don’t think you are sloppy dresser. Dressing for comfort and being unkempt are two different things.

  100. 100.

    efgoldman

    June 1, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    @Emma:

    Mr. Trump has had everything handed to him all his life.

    Not quite everything. Nobody gave him dignity, or reason, or compassion…..

  101. 101.

    lollipopguild

    June 1, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Baud has nothing to hide-A Man of the People, by the People and for the People.

  102. 102.

    Lavocat

    June 1, 2017 at 7:12 pm

    To borrow from the great Peter Gabriel:

    “I don’t remember. I don’t recall. I have no memory of anything at all.”

  103. 103.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 1, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    @jl: ….I want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket.

  104. 104.

    Keith P.

    June 1, 2017 at 7:15 pm

    Open letter to Erin Burnett: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE never book Jason Miller on your show again.

  105. 105.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 1, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @Keith P.: …or don’t watch Erin Burnett’s show.

  106. 106.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 1, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Yes, I think that’s the difference. I can stand unkemptness when it’s tweed jackets with leather patches on the elbow, warped eyeglasss, and scuffed shoes. That’s just being rumpled. I have no real complaints about the way BS dresses, he is what he is, and I imagine if he needed to do so, he’d clean up pretty well.

    But Trump is a different proposition. He’s supposed to be this billionaire who could easily afford bespoke tailoring, and except for golf clothes he always wears a suit and tie; yet his suits are horribly ill-fitting and lumpy and wrinkled, the ties are always badly tied and disproportionately long, and he just always looks awful. Especially with his excess weight and terrible posture, he needs a really good tailor to minimise his physical deficiencies and play up things like his imposing height. I don’t know much about men’s tailoring, but I know Trump always looks wrong, and it is a whole different thing than Sanders’ academic rumpledness.

  107. 107.

    ruemara

    June 1, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @jl: I think I remember this episode of Aeon Flux. Sadly, she dies. Like always.

    @schrodingers_cat: If I dressed as sloppy as him, I’d never have a job again.

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: That’s a great song.

  108. 108.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 1, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: …and the man has/had a fucking line of clothing!

    ETA: He may have had some other lines as well maybe around his nose.

  109. 109.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 1, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    @Quinerly:

    I hope it was a good trip. Are you done now with clearing out the family homestead, or will it require another trip or two? Always so hard.

    Anyhow, I’m glad you and Poco are back safely. Let those of us in the ATL know when your travels bring you our way.

  110. 110.

    jl

    June 1, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Most US politicians would look better in pastel pants suits. If we spread the rumor that it would give Trump a teletubby vibe and would make the Millennials love him, he might go for it.

    Edit: and also spread rumor that they are really bespoke overalls, for the fly-over rubes.

  111. 111.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 1, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    @jl:

    pastel pants suits

    I just had a terrifying flashback to the ’70s (aka, “The Decade That Taste Forgot”).

  112. 112.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 1, 2017 at 7:31 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    He may have had some other lines as well maybe around his nose.

    Snort! (and I use the word advisedly).

  113. 113.

    different-church-lady

    June 1, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    @gene108:

    The difference between Trump and Sanders in dress is pretty stark.

    Well yeah, I should say.

    Oh… wait: I read that as “…in a dress…”

  114. 114.

    Denali

    June 1, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    Actually, the emperor has no clothes.

  115. 115.

    TenguPhule

    June 1, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    So, let’s look on the bright side here: the planet was fucked with or without the Paris Accord. In the face of mass starvation, who cares whether we took the lead on a futile gesture?

    Soylent Red States?

  116. 116.

    different-church-lady

    June 1, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @Elizabelle: It really shouldn’t be “Cleek’s Law.” It ought to be “Cleek’s Constant.”

  117. 117.

    TenguPhule

    June 1, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    @Emma:

    Mr. Trump has had everything handed to him all his life. No evolutionary pressure.

    Except his head.

  118. 118.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    June 1, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    @David Canadian Anchor Baby Koch: How do you talk, with your tongue over in your cheek like that?

  119. 119.

    ruemara

    June 1, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    @different-church-lady: Cleek. The Planck of a New Age.

  120. 120.

    danielx

    June 1, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    @jo6pac:

    Thanks again demodogs for running a candidate that only had her own interest in mind

    There are only so many ways to say fuck you, and I’m getting close to the limit. You deserve about as much regard as Nader and his fellow assholes in 2000. In the meantime, why don’t you take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut? Oh yeah, and fuck you and the purity pony you rode in on.

  121. 121.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 1, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    So trump trotted out his “now they won’t laugh at me I mean us anymore” schtick today? Interesting.

    In other news, there was a rather strange armed robbery at a casino near Manila. I heard early reports and it sounded like a possible terrorist attack, but police seem to have ruled it out fairly quickly

    CNN)A gunman who robbed a casino at a Manila resort, causing a panicked stampede by customers fearing a terrorist attack, has been killed, CNN Philippines reported, citing police officials.
    Philippines National Police Chief Ronald Dela Rosa said the man forced his way into a Resorts World Manila casino and created chaos by setting several gambling tables on fire and shooting gambling machines and video screens, though he didn’t appear to be firing at people, CNN Philippines reported.
    The man ransacked a room and stole gaming chips worth 1 million pesos each, Dela Rosa said.
    Dela Rosa said the man appeared to be robbing the casino, but he could not completely rule out terrorism as a motive.

    trump apparently called it a terrorist attack from the Rose Garden

    @ NBCNightlyNews
    US intel official: Pres. Trump “was freelancing” with the terrorism declaration and “a laugh went up in the Situation Room” when he made it.

    Intelligence officials in his White House are laughing at him.

  122. 122.

    John S.

    June 1, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    In all fairness to the estimable cleek, he is simply channeling Groucho Marx.

    youtu.be/29E6GbYdB1c

  123. 123.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 1, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    @Mike in NC: @a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio):

    The truth is Noriega should receive a star on CIA Memorial Wall.

    Facts are no one did more to help Ollie North & Bill Casey run coke for the Contras than Manny.

    Alas it won’t happen cuz the PC police would go ballistic. It’s a crime what political correctness has done to this country.

  124. 124.

    efgoldman

    June 1, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    He’s supposed to be this billionaire who could easily afford bespoke tailoring, and except for golf clothes he always wears a suit and tie

    When Robert Hall went out of business, he bought up all the stock in their back rooms and warehice for pennies on the dollar.

  125. 125.

    Brachiator

    June 1, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    @Baud:

    .. I think Dems thought (wrongly) that people would be turned off by his crudeness.

    Interesting point. For his supporters, Trump’s crudeness is their crudeness. His hate echoes their hate. And early on, some people of various ideologies just loved it when Trump slapped other Republicans around. And they looked forward to seeing him bash Democrats and specifically bash Hillary. By the time the general election campaign heated up, it should have been clear to people that his people would forgive Trump any crudeness. Instead, some folks kept looking for his people to reject him for going too far. But this comeuppance was never going to happen.

  126. 126.

    Ruckus

    June 1, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    @Mike in NC:
    dumpf is too over qualified to be the ugly american. He’d have to go up about 50 steps up to get to ugly american. Fuck I hate being charitable towards that fucking asshole.

  127. 127.

    Quinerly

    June 1, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Thanks for your sweet words. I’m floating in and out of these threads. At least two more trips needed back to the NC house. I’ve made a huge dent. Basically doing everything on my own, so my schedule…my time. I’m lucky…great support group of friends, great Poco, great Balloon Juice community.? I used to get to Atlanta quite a bit in a previous life.? Maybe I’m due for a visit. Thanks.

  128. 128.

    Quinerly

    June 1, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA
    : Or…..m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQmnh2LbVDU

  129. 129.

    Peale

    June 1, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: 1,000,000 peso chips? That’s actual money.

  130. 130.

    rikyrah

    June 1, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    @ruemara:
    They absolutely own it

  131. 131.

    J R in WV

    June 2, 2017 at 12:44 am

    @Baud:

    @jo6pac: Jill Stein was a Green.

    jo6pac can’t even spell his nym right, nor any of the other words the borg-bot tried to type.

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