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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Dolt 45 / Post-Sessions-“Intelligence”-Live Feed Open Thread

Post-Sessions-“Intelligence”-Live Feed Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  June 13, 20175:12 pm| 353 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Russiagate, Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated?

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Well, about the only thing I learned from that shiteshow was that in a less smarm-rich environment, Senator Burr would be renowned for both his natural gifts and his deep commitment to professionalism in the field of smarm.

Here’s a palate-cleanser, while we discuss the proceedings.

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  1. 1.

    Mustang Bobby

    June 13, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    I learned that Tom Cotton probably gives great head.

  2. 2.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    June 13, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    That’s Tom Cotton, the bobble-throated slapdick from the state of Arkansas, as Charlie Pierce calls him.

  3. 3.

    Bailey

    June 13, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    The fact that quick questioning makes Beauregard “nervous” was pretty hysterical to learn.

  4. 4.

    ? Martin

    June 13, 2017 at 5:20 pm

    I learned that the Atty General who claims to be very concerned about Russian interference in our elections hasn’t had a single briefing on the matter, indicating that he is really not at all concerned about Russian interference in our elections.

  5. 5.

    ? Martin

    June 13, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    @Bailey: From a woman. A brown woman. A woman that should know her place and give sufficient deference to a white man from dixie…

  6. 6.

    debbie

    June 13, 2017 at 5:26 pm

    @Bailey:

    Ah say, ah say, ah say, these inquiries are scurrilous!

  7. 7.

    debbie

    June 13, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    @debbie:

    Lindsay needs to turn in his Miss Pittypat medallion. He is no longer deserving.

  8. 8.

    Yutsano

    June 13, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    @Bailey: @ Martin: We definitely need more brown women in the Senate now.

  9. 9.

    ruemara

    June 13, 2017 at 5:30 pm

    So… how was the treasonous bastard shitshow?

  10. 10.

    trollhattan

    June 13, 2017 at 5:31 pm

    Oh goody.

    Weather Service Sacramento issued Excessive Heat Watch, Friday afternoon -Sunday evening. Valley temps 100-110 degrees. Low temps 65-75 deg.

  11. 11.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 5:31 pm

    @Yutsano: I’d take like a 100 of em or so, starting yesterday.

  12. 12.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    Please have some consideration for us poor folks who need a good stiff drink.

    Because Trump is ruining things and its a day ending in Y.

  13. 13.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    @ruemara:

    So… how was the treasonous bastard shitshow?

    On a scale of 1 to 10 drinks?

    Shitfaced.

  14. 14.

    Yutsano

    June 13, 2017 at 5:34 pm

    @Corner Stone: She’d probably be as useful as dog slime, but to be honest I would be okay if Mia Love took over for ol’ Orrin in the Utah Senate. Granted that would make A LOT of her constituents uncomfortable but omelette eggs etc.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 5:34 pm

    OT: Some people expressed worry about the Dem strategy earlier today, so hopefully this will help calm some nerves (warning: Politico).

    Senate Democrats are preparing an all-out war to try to save the Affordable Care Act.

    With limited tools at their disposal, their plan is to hammer Senate Republicans for their secrecy, spotlight elements that would throw millions of people off their health coverage and fuel enough public outcry to make Republicans eyeing re-election fights very nervous.

    The reality is that Democrats can’t really stop the Republicans who are using Senate budget rules that let them pass repeal legislation with only 50 votes and no chance to filibuster.

    But alarmed by the GOP urgency to press ahead with repeal, they are lining up a two-track effort to try to save the Affordable Care Act: They plan a sustained attack on Republicans’ hypocrisy for ramming through a bill with no committee hearings after the GOP blamed Democrats for years for passing Obamacare with no Republican votes.

    And when and if the bill comes to the Senate floor, Democrats will use every tool at their disposal to try to slow it down, from challenging the parliamentarian’s decisions on the arcane rules, to forcing a high-profile and lengthy series of amendment votes to shine light on the legislation.

  16. 16.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 5:35 pm

    Why Eliana Johnson? Why would you firmly believe Sessions did not meet with Kislyak to collude on the 2016 elections? Whi in the fuck do you think you can just say that like it is the truth?

  17. 17.

    Anne Laurie

    June 13, 2017 at 5:36 pm

    @Mustang Bobby:

    Some day, a historian is going to look at Tom Cotton's questioning time and think, "Jesus, what an ass-kisser."

    — Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) June 13, 2017

  18. 18.

    Hal

    June 13, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    On a scale of 1 to Blanche Devereux, how southern was Sessions?

    Blanche: “I do declare, your sweet words could charm the morning dew right off the honeysuckle.”

    Dorothy: “That was good, Blanche. Now do Br’er Rabbit.”

  19. 19.

    trollhattan

    June 13, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    If Trump Tweets “Time to kill ARPA-E, badly wasting tax dollars. SAD!” this is why:

    A federal panel of scientists concluded Tuesday that a key Energy Department research agency is on track to accomplish its goals. The Advanced Research Projects Agency – Energy (ARPA-E), modeled after the Pentagon office responsible for innovations like the technology that became the internet, is being targeted for elimination under President Trump’s budget proposal for 2018.

    But the 239-page report released Tuesday by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine says that the nimble, somewhat independent research agency should serve as a model for the rest of the federal government.

    “Roughly half have published results of their research in peer-reviewed journals, and about 13 percent have obtained patents. One quarter of the supported project teams or technologies have received follow-on funding for continued work,” the panel wrote in the congressionally mandated report.

    “All of these are positive indicators for technologies on a trajectory toward commercialized products. In fact, several are either already commercially available or poised to enter the commercial market.”

  20. 20.

    Boussinesque

    June 13, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    @Baud: Thanks, I’m glad to see that our side is taking a page from the obstruction playbook and actually implementing it. Republicans have repeatedly demonstrated that they will only take advantage of any common courtesy granted to them–time to start challenging them in the only way they understand.

  21. 21.

    bystander

    June 13, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    @Anne Laurie: I was surprised Cotton would put his tongue where Burr’s had been, but birds of a feather.

  22. 22.

    Kay

    June 13, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    “There doesn’t seem to be a recognition of the seriousness of this threat” says Warner of the Russia investigation.

    Because no one in the general public knows anything about it. They can’t just keep saying it’s a very serious threat and never tell us what happened. I’m like Wyden. I’m sick of the stonewalling.

  23. 23.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 13, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    Meme-toting racist troll fails to make friends with actual gun-toting racists

    Last weekend, bands of camo-clad, flag-waving, gun-toting racists descended upon Houston’s Hermann park to protest the removal of a statue of Sam Houston, a 19th-century Texas politician who owned slaves. Never mind the fact that there was never a plan in place to remove the statue itself. The mere threat of similar statue removals in New Orleans and Baltimore, along with a viral rumor that a group of regional antifascists were planning a similar campaign in Houston, was enough to bring out the these-colors-don’t-run set, as well as the sort of military-grade weaponry that is obviously important in a peaceful demonstration. It’s a perfect illustration of the intersection of misinformation-spreading 4chan trolls and classic American racist conservatism that has lead to our present administration.

  24. 24.

    Ithink

    June 13, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    Oh Dear God, what a phenomenal s***-show that was; and I only caught it from the middle of the performance on…

    I now am feeling more favorable to Senators Manchin & Harris, loathe the bobble throated dick head from Clinton’s home state more than ever (previously thought impossible), & have no faith in a thinly-veiled Neo-Confederate AG who responds endlessly in “I Don’t Recall” platitudes like a burgeoning dementia patient. God help this country survive Trump & the sure-to-be slow recovery process post his revaunchist autocratic Pandora’s Box of an administration.

    According to a today post from Charlie Pierce, President Agent Orange is sitting @ a 60% disapproval rating and the Republicans majority elected to Congress are about as on the Hunger Games defensive as they’ve ever been with anything regarding him. If Democrats at not able to reduce these mole people to ashes partially in 2018 & then fully in 2018, consider our-once Great Republic to be a dysfunctional stillborn of faux-representation of its people.

  25. 25.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 13, 2017 at 5:42 pm

    Via CNN: “Trump tells GOP senators that the House-passed healthcare bill he celebrated earlier this year was “mean”, calling for more money in the Senate version.”

  26. 26.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    @Yutsano: I say that because based just on numbers, and understanding no group is a monolith of ideas or beliefs, about 93 of them would hold ideas and agendas I would agree with at least 85% of the time or more.

  27. 27.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    June 13, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    So who’s running the pool on when Czar Manbaby fires Mueller?

  28. 28.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 5:47 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): The sooner the better.

  29. 29.

    MomSense

    June 13, 2017 at 5:47 pm

    I missed the whole thing but the snippets I’ve caught are infuriating.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Well, now I want to remove the statue.

  31. 31.

    Inventor

    June 13, 2017 at 5:51 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Houston, as Governor of Texas, was against secession and the Confederacy. He was forced out as Governor because of his strong pro-Union position.

  32. 32.

    Mike J

    June 13, 2017 at 5:52 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Love the way antifa trolled the nazis too. Houston was ousted as gov because he refused to go along with secession. He certainly wasn’t a confederate (although he was a slave owner).

    Or what Inventor said one minute before me, dammit.

  33. 33.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    @Baud:

    My favorite part of the whole thing is that Sam Houston despised Confederates as traitors and was a strong Unionist. So these jackasses are really showing their stripes since they now assume that any slave-holding white man’s statue is in need of a “defense.”

  34. 34.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    when Czar Manbaby fires Mueller?

    That’s just not going to happen. Even Trump isn’t that stupid, is he?

    He’s not, is he?

    Is he?

  35. 35.

    mdblanche

    June 13, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    @Inventor: Tell them that and they’ll tear the statue down themselves!

  36. 36.

    debbie

    June 13, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    It’s a perfect illustration of the intersection of misinformation-spreading 4chan trolls and classic American racist conservatism that has lead to our present administration.

    It’s also a whole lot of stupid.

  37. 37.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 13, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    @Mike J:

    Love the way antifa trolled the nazis too.

    Yeah, I wonder to what degree they were hostile to him simply because he looked like he was from the Internet, and that’s where lib’rul protesters come from.

  38. 38.

    mdblanche

    June 13, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: If you have to ask, you don’t want to know.

  39. 39.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    @Baud:

    now I want to remove the statue.

    With dynamite.

    Fuckem

  40. 40.

    debbie

    June 13, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    @MomSense:

    I had to stop listening after a while. Sessions was developing a real case of the vapors.

  41. 41.

    Waratah

    June 13, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    His smirkey smile that he could not control drove me crazy I thought a good punch to the mouth might help and also help his memory.

  42. 42.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  43. 43.

    mdblanche

    June 13, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    @? Martin: I knew that Compromise of 1850 was no good, dagnabit. Once we agreed to let California into the union as a free state something like this was bound to happen, I tells ye!

  44. 44.

    MomSense

    June 13, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    @debbie:

    It seemed like Coates, Rogers, and now Sessions were just mocking the committee and the idea of oversight. I cannot imagine what Republicans would be screaming if Holder had behaved that way.

  45. 45.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    @bystander:

    I was surprised Cotton would put his tongue where Burr’s had been, but birds of a feather.

    We look back fondly on the “country before party” Republiklowns of Watergate era, but especially on the house committee side, some of them were every bit as obstructionist and defensive as their modern counterparts.

  46. 46.

    Lizzy L

    June 13, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Yeah, this is bullshit, as I am sure you know. The Senators will solemnly assure the presnit that thanks to his wise and timely counsel they did indeed put “more money” in the Senate version of the AHCA, the presnit will assure his base that he’s looking out for their interests and the Senate bill is great, wonderful, a really stupendous bill, an excellent bill, and the Senate will pass it without ever having read it and with only Republican votes, which is what they were going to do anyway. Then the House and Senate committees will sit down in secret, knock off the corners, and hey presto, if you’re not rich, if you’re under 65, if you’re disabled, or on Medicaid, or have a pre-existing condition, kiss your health care goodbye.

  47. 47.

    Brachiator

    June 13, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    OT (headed off to some meetings) Lifehacker offers some tips on contacting Congress folks about the Health Care Bill

    The Best Ways to Make Your Voice Heard About the New Health Care Bill

    If this is useful, please repost in an upcoming open thread. Among tips

    Contact the position, not the person. A member of Congress’s phone number is for constituents, not for the general public. Leave those lines open, and instead look up the office for the position they hold. I can’t seem to find a number like this for Mitch McConnell, but there is a phone line for the Speaker of the House that is separate from Paul Ryan’s regular number. And instead of bugging Nancy Pelosi, write or call the Office of the Democratic Leader. Each committee has its own contact information as well. You can call either leader of the House Intelligence Committee, for example, without having to clog up either Rep. Nunes’s or Rep. Schiff’s constituent phone lines.

    Ask your rep to pressure the person you’re concerned about. This works best if you have a member of Congress who shares your views on an issue. Let them know that you care about what’s going on, and ask them how they are going to stand up to their colleagues.

    Get your friends to pick up the phone. Have some choice words for Pat Toomey? Text your friend in Pennsylvania and make the case for why they should pick up the phone. Want to deliver a message to Lindsay Graham? See if your buddy in South Carolina agrees with you, and persuade them to call or write. Getting others engaged in politics isn’t cheating; it’s all part of how democracy works. But don’t be too surprised if your friend turns out not to agree with you. We each get our own vote, after all.

  48. 48.

    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    I like this thread from David Simon (of the Wire afaik) about Trump not being curious about Russian involvement. https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/872966218738741250

  49. 49.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    June 13, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’m sorry, are you asking this seriously? There isn’t anything so fucking stupid that this clown won’t do it. Would a remotely sentient being have ever gotten mixed up with a scam like Trump University? Would a remotely sentient being have told some random dude on a bus that he likes to assault women? This guy is an idiocy idiot savant.

  50. 50.

    Zach

    June 13, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    The man-splaining and other condescension to Senator Harris was terrible but not as bad as at the meeting with all the intel chiefs. Or maybe I’m just dazzled by the drawl.

    1. Sessions name dropped his chief of staff twice as a corroborating witness. Once specifically saying that “I know that’s his recollection as well” … getting your stories straight not typical of folks with nothing to hide.

    2. Here would be my line of questioning: “Have you ever known James Comey to tell a lie? A serious lie? A lie to you? Ok, now what about Donald Trump?”

  51. 51.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 6:09 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Even Trump isn’t that stupid, is he?

    Trump: “HOLD MY BEER!”

  52. 52.

    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    Sessions would probably argue that the health bill is a privileged conversation.

  53. 53.

    gene108

    June 13, 2017 at 6:12 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    So these jackasses are really showing their stripes since they now assume that any slave-holding white man’s statue is in need of a “defense.”

    Wonder if they could be trolled to “defend” the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial

  54. 54.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 6:12 pm

    @rudepundit
    Follow
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    Jeff Sessions’ tiny mind just a moment ago: “Oh, my stars, what has this country come to when a negress can talk to a white man like that?”

  55. 55.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    @Aleta:

    Sessions would probably argue that the health bill is a privileged conversation.

    Nope.

    Sessions would say that healthcare involves drugs.

    Drugs are bad.

    Therefore those who want healthcare are bad drug dealers and need to be locked up.

    And there is no Man in Black with a built up iocaine immunity to stop him.

  56. 56.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    @matthewamiller
    What is it about Kamala Harris that makes her the only Senator Republicans interrupt at every hearing?

    Hmmm…what could it be…

  57. 57.

    Zach

    June 13, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    In general these Democrats are pretty bad at this except for Harris, King and, less good, Heinrich. But in everyone’s defense Occam’s razor says Sessions doesn’t actually know about any criminality. He’s invoking the same quasi privilege of everyone else because what he’s protecting is a line of questioning that ends up reveal how Trump’s a petty moron with no interest in things other than what boosts his ego. If you open the discussion up to cover anything Trump says in private it will be embarrassing. Source: everything single thing he’s said in private that’s been revealed so far.

    And Sessions indignation is actually half righteous because he’s pissed he looks guilty as hell and is skirting going down in history for contempt because his job requires protecting Trump’s fragile ego… not that he deserves any forgiveness since he only seems to want the job to make sure there’s more black people in jail and fewer voting.

  58. 58.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    @lamh36: Let’s ask Valerie Jarrett or Susan Rice.

  59. 59.

    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    @Aleta: Hiding the health bill is actually the opposite of “lives are at stake if this top secret information is revealed.”

  60. 60.

    debbie

    June 13, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Have you seen this thread yet? Is there any way to get word to Elizabelle? I know you both were concerned.

  61. 61.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 13, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    My favorite part of the whole thing is that Sam Houston despised Confederates as traitors and was a strong Unionist

    I am sure they people will claim Sam Houston had a post mortom conversion to being a Confederate,

  62. 62.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    @Zach:

    Given Sessions’ multiple meetings with Russia’s top spymaster, I wouldn’t be so quick to assume he’s innocent. Just sayin’.

  63. 63.

    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    @Zach: Yes. Or, “To your knowledge, how many times has Comey lied?” Same question about Trump. Then “What about when Trump said …”

  64. 64.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    I wasn’t able to read the whole Sessions thread since I’m at work. I’m assuming he lied his ass off when he wasn’t obfuscating the truth.

  65. 65.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    Only because it’s an Open Thread, and in the full realisation that 99+% of BJers won’t care a whit, but today is the 124th anniversary of the birth of my, probably, favourite writer, Dorothy L. Sayers.

    I raise my glass to her.

  66. 66.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 13, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @efgoldman: E.g., Rep. Earl “Don’t confuse me with the facts!” Landgrebe (IN-02)

  67. 67.

    D58826

    June 13, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    Senator: did trump tape conversations?
    Sessions: I don’t know
    Senator: if the tapes exist must they be retained?
    Sessions: Doesn’t know for sure but thinks yes
    My Question : were you awake during Watergate?

    On a larger point – I understand the need for information being discussed in closed session. I also understand that under most circumstances executive privilege is necessary.
    Now if this was a debate over Obama setting up the Bears Ears national monument or the best approach to the keystone pipeline I would have no issue with withholding testimony (even if it did frustrate my gossipy button). But this is the cyber equivalent of Pearl Harbor.
    Surely the national interest would be better served if some of this information was discussed in open session. I find it hard to believe that we can’t work around the needs of keeping sources and methods secret and yet explain to the public what is/has happening.

  68. 68.

    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Like a frightened animal, a noisy attack was his defense when cornered.

  69. 69.

    Quinerly

    June 13, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    @debbie:
    Alain emailed Elizabelle.

  70. 70.

    scav

    June 13, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: You will have company in a glass as soon as. can find one!

  71. 71.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    @debbie:
    Thank you very much, Debbie. I did see it earlier, and am actually thinking about driving to Nashville for the memorial service on the 24th. Haven’t dcid d yet, and may make up my mind following the discussion this Friday. I’m so grateful to Alain for making it happen.

    Don’t know whether Elizabelle is aware, but am FB friends with her and will pass along the information. I’m sure she’ll want to contribute her own memories and thoughts.

    That is going to be one long-ass Tbogg-unit thread on Friday, I predict.

  72. 72.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    Evening peeps!

    Busy day at work today. Well not busy for me. I was finished my assigned task by like 12:30. I spent the rest of my time and bout 40 min over my time, helping other folk with their assigned areas.

    But I don’t mind…any time over my scheduled time is OT, so every min over is more money on my check.

    Good thing bout busy, I don’t have much time for the interwebs.

  73. 73.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    @Zach:

    he’s pissed he looks guilty as hell and is skirting going down in history for contempt because his job requires protecting Trump’s fragile ego

    I suppose the fact that he signed a false statement under penalty of perjury on his SF-56 was ignored.

  74. 74.

    dogwood

    June 13, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    @lamh36:
    It’s not just about her race and gender. They see her as a potential presidential candidate, and they’re going after her to set the narrative right away. They will probably succeed too. One of the things that really helped Obama was the fact that when he went to the Senate, he did his job well, but he didn’t deliberately set out to be noticed all the time. So he always controlled his own narrative. Never let the opposition define you.

  75. 75.

    Iowa Old Lady

    June 13, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    I’ve been bored with Trump’s tweets but this one was whiny enough to make me blink:

    Fake News is at an all time high. Where is their apology to me for all of the incorrect stories???

  76. 76.

    Lyrebird

    June 13, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    @lamh36: “Things that make you go HMMMMMMMM”

    If only we could see the day when Sessions is tried for the best-documented of his various wrongs, and Sen. Harris and BJ’s own hovercraft get to prosecute the case.

    A girl can dream sometimes.

  77. 77.

    Elie

    June 13, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    I know we can’t afford to be panicked yet, but damn, I am feeling scared as hell that we are too far gone to recover. The GOP doesn’t even pretend any approach except ramming in its power and at every turn, this administration is allowed to block and lie without consequence. We have learned that there was a significant attempt to tamper with actual votes in 39 (!) states — and no evidence that anything has been done to identify where and correct any breaches. No wonder the GOP are stone walling! What.Do.We.Do? is my question. How do we stop this? He is at 60% disapproval and continues to drop, but how do we make it matter? And this shit is spilling over into the states and local races. Our Republican House and Senate members here in WA state are doing the same — refusing to negotiate, to cooperate or do anything to get the state budget passed at the risk of enforcing harsh cuts to the state’s services. How do we overcome this? (more rhetorical than actual question). I have literally laid awake nights thinking about this predicament and what to do about it…

  78. 78.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @scav:

    You will have company in a glass as soon as. can find one!

    You can drink directly from the bottle or the can. On BJ, no-one can see you.

  79. 79.

    NoraLenderbee

    June 13, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Happy birthday to the creator of Lord Peter Wimsey! She’s one of my favorites, too.

  80. 80.

    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap

    June 13, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @Kay: Someone somehow needs to start talking or leaking significant stuff and soon.

  81. 81.

    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    definitely not ft‏ @ft_variations 3h3 hours ago
    Every call, email, office visit, or tweet is an indication of involvement and activity.
    Please, PLEASE do what you can to raise awareness.

    5 Calls @make5calls
    Here are the GOP Senators lunching & talking AHCA w/ Trump today.
    Remind them they work for YOU, not Trump.

    https://twitter.com/make5calls/status/874649280694415361

  82. 82.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @debbie:
    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Just posted on Elizabelle’s Book of Faces Wall, and I’m sure she’ll be an active participant in the memorial thread.

  83. 83.

    lgerard

    June 13, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Via CNN: “Trump tells GOP senators that the House-passed healthcare bill he celebrated earlier this year was “mean”, calling for more money in the Senate version.”

    This reminds me of the “on the spot guidance” Kim Jung Il was famous for

    In North Korean propaganda, “on-the-spot” guidance furthers the image of a caring, omniscient, and great leader offering “benevolent guidance” to the people.

  84. 84.

    scav

    June 13, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    @efgoldman: Indeed. was just hopng for a glass as that would mean it was celebratory instead of HolyshitIneedthisnownownowwhew!

  85. 85.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    I just came across this on Facebook: someone on Twitter live-tweeting about a little girl having a meltdown because her mom only packed the movies her brother likes for their trip, and then the whole thing becomes awesome beyond words.

    You will end up loving the little girl, her brother, and the adults around them (except maybe bad choices mom). Trust me.

  86. 86.

    BBA

    June 13, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    @Hal: It’s like, how much more Southern could he be? And the answer is none. None more Southern.

  87. 87.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    @scav:
    @NoraLenderbee:

    Thank you, and Cheers!!

    Coincidentally, it is also the birthday (1914) of Dr. Barbara Reynolds, a colleague and collaborator of DLS, who wrote an exhaustive biography, edited her papers, published her letters, and completed her Divine Comedy translation.

    Dorothy’s 125th next year may be my last chance to celebrate her in her natural habitat, and in the company of one or two people who still remember her in person (she died in 1957). I’m thinking it would be a good time to travel to Britain. If I can make the finances work, I think I’d like to do that.

  88. 88.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 13, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    I am sure they people will claim Sam Houston had a post mortom conversion to being a Confederate,

    except the Mormons probably got to him first…

  89. 89.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    @lgerard:

    This reminds me of the “on the spot guidance” Kim Jung Il was famous for

    All will be well. Ambassador First Class Dennis Rodman is there

  90. 90.

    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    This site is simple and clear about what issues are coming to a vote, and easy ways to call and express oneself on each. Enter a zipcode and it’s nicely laid out.
    https://5calls.org/issue/recvn5iJK4NCRKDQm

  91. 91.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    @Elie:

    It’s okay. You’re getting a little burned out. Call and/or fax both of your Senators to tell them your opinion of AHCA and then take a break from the news. We all need to rest, recharge, and take care of ourselves.

    This is going to be a long marathon, not a sprint, so rest when you need to.

  92. 92.

    debbie

    June 13, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    @Quinerly:

    Good to know, thanks.

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Good. Sometimes my worrywarting gets the better of me.

  93. 93.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    So I’m going to see Some Like It Hot tomorrow afternoon. As with so many of these Fathom TCM presentations, I’ve seen it several times on TV but quite possibly never on the Big Screen.

    Any advice for things I should specially look out for?

  94. 94.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 13, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @efgoldman: Hey, he’s done more good in 48 hours than Barack HUSSEIN No’Bummer did in eight years.

  95. 95.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    June 13, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    [. . .] that has lead to our present administration.

    “Rein/reign” still at the top of the charts, but “led/lead” is coming up fast. Been seeing that one a lot lately.

  96. 96.

    trollhattan

    June 13, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    @lgerard:
    Speaking of double-little Kim, Rodman’s back.

  97. 97.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @debbie:

    Not a worrywart at all. It means you pay attention, and remember, and know things.

  98. 98.

    Mike in NC

    June 13, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: I hope that after yesterday’s festival of obsequiousness, Trump demands a full cabinet meeting every other week to have his fragile ego massaged, and it’s carried on live TV.

  99. 99.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @FoxReports 1h1 hour ago
    More
    Gohmert walks by . I ask him what he thought of Trump saying House bill is mean.”The one…That he had us come over and celebrate?,” he asks

  100. 100.

    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    Earlier someone mentioned Session’s looked like Chucky, of Child’s Play, and I agree with that. Luckovich chose the elf, like many of you did.
    https://cmgajcluckovich.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/lk061417_color.jpg

  101. 101.

    Cheryl Rofer

    June 13, 2017 at 7:03 pm

    I don’t EVER want to be on the receiving end of Kamala Harris’s questioning.

  102. 102.

    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    Neighbor’s husband had a snake fall out of a tree, near him. Oh goodie! I have trees. Google tells me that rat trees climb trees, and they are non venomous. Fortunately, I cleared the side with lots of trees last weekend. SiubhanDuinne, will tell you that I have trees. ugh

  103. 103.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    @JPL:

    Luckovich is genius, once again.

    ETA: They ought to just give him a Pulitzer per week and be done with it. He is that good.

  104. 104.

    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: lol That’s an understatement, and apparently Burr has to protect the repubs from her.

  105. 105.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    @JPL:

    Yes, it is true, JPL has many trees. I am thankful beyond measure that when I visited I saw no snakes!

    If I were you, dear JPL, I’d probably be donning hazmat gear every day before venturing into the garden!

  106. 106.

    Barbara

    June 13, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    @Mike in NC: Excruciating. He is doing an experiment to see the level at which embarrassment might really be fatal.

  107. 107.

    MomSense

    June 13, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @Elie:
    It sucks. I’m losing sleep over it all, too. It does help to try to focus on one thing you can do every day. Some days that means calling your senator. Some days it could simply be smiling and being kind to someone. Some days you just have to take a break. Sending a hug to you.

  108. 108.

    NeenerNeener

    June 13, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne: The tweeter is Seanan McGuire, an outstanding author of Sci Fi (as Mira Grant) and Urban Fantasy novels. This is so cool (having nerdgasm right now).

  109. 109.

    Princess

    June 13, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: At least I am the 1% of something. *clinks your glass*

  110. 110.

    scav

    June 13, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    @Mike in NC: Jobs creating! Trumpie’s outsourced his daily affirmations — to mutiple voices to do homage to the multiple voices in mis mighty personality — and then engaged the jobs multiplier effect by having them televised, bringing easy daily sustenance to open-beaked, flightless, baby journalists.

  111. 111.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: At first I thought you were saying it was your birthday, and then I read what you had actually written. I had no idea I shared a birthday with Dorothy Sayers! That’s not quite as good as sharing a birthday with you, but it’s close. :-)

  112. 112.

    Kay

    June 13, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    @Tilda Swintons Bald Cap:

    Someone somehow needs to start talking or leaking significant stuff and soon.

    People always allege election interference. This time it actually happened and no one will tell us anything.

    I have many questions! :)

    WTF? They almost flipped votes? Did someone stop them or were they just bad at it? I’ve spent the last 15 years telling people “no, that’s not a conspiracy that’s just an error, no dead people don’t vote even if they’re registered, there are no white vans full of immigrants voting illegally”. Now we have a real one and no one wants to talk about it.

  113. 113.

    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: How are you, relieved to be over the nightmare work environment, or worried about what comes next?

  114. 114.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/13/trump-property-buyers-make-clear-shift-secretive-llcs/102399558/

    Since President Trump won the Republican nomination, the majority of his companies’ real estate sales are to secretive shell companies that obscure the buyers’ identities, a USA TODAY investigation has found.

    Over the last 12 months, about 70% of buyers of Trump properties were limited liability companies – corporate entities that allow people to purchase property without revealing all of the owners’ names. That compares with about 4% of buyers in the two years before.

    USA TODAY journalists have spent six months cataloging every condo, penthouse or other property that Trump and his companies own – and tracking the buyers behind every transaction. The investigation found Trump’s companies owned more than 430 individual properties worth well over $250 million.

    Since Election Day, Trump’s businesses have sold 28 of those U.S. properties for $33 million. The sales include luxury condos and penthouses in Las Vegas and New York and oceanfront lots near Los Angeles. The value of his companies’ inventory of available real estate remains above a quarter-billion dollars.

    Profits from sales of those properties flow through a trust run by Trump’s sons. The president is the sole beneficiary of the trust and can withdraw cash any time.

    The increasing share of opaque buyers comes at a time when federal investigators, members of Congress and ethics watchdogs are asking questions about Trump’s sales and customers in the U.S. and around the world. Some Congressional Democrats have been asking for more detail about buyers of Trump’s domestic real estate since USA TODAY’s initial report.

    I am sure there’s a perfectly innocent explanation.

  115. 115.

    NeenerNeener

    June 13, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    @Kay: What scared me was the hacking into voter rolls. They don’t need to change actual vote totals if they can just mess with voter registrations and make every 5th registered Democrat ineligible to vote by changing middle initials, street addresses, etc.

  116. 116.

    Elie

    June 13, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Thanks… I DO need to step away a little bit. I am just so so angry!!!! and ANGUISHED…. Its the AHCA thing… I have already called my Senators, but golly… they have heard from me over and over and already oppose this. Thanks for noticing that I am a bit frazzled these days. You help me take care of myself…

  117. 117.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Oh, happy birthday to you, WaterGirl! Hope it’s been a great day! You are much better off sharing a birthday with DLS than with me (although if you shared with me, you’d also share with our own OmnesOmnibus, not to mention P. D. James, Tony Bennett, Edward Petherbridge, La Scala, Jay North, the launch of the Niña, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria, and so much more).

    Many happy returns! Hppy pappy bthuthdy!!

    (Edit: Could be misremembering, but I think also the birthday of Corner Stone? August 3rd?)

  118. 118.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Hey, just ask any of his cabinet secretaries, they’ll tell ya.

  119. 119.

    hovercraft

    June 13, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @efgoldman:
    According to Wolf Blitzed, the timing is coincidental, the 22 year old kid is in a coma, from botulism. He got sick shortly after he was sentenced, and when Sweden finally got access to him, they notified us and conveyed the urgency. We talked to North Korea in New York and arranged to have him
    medi-vaced to I think it was Duke Medical Center. Kim would rather not have an American who looked healthy a year ago, die in his custody.

  120. 120.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 13, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Our birthday is too full already.

    ETA:

    Hppy pappy bthuthdy!!

    How many glasses have you raised to DLS?

    @WaterGirl: Happy birthday!

  121. 121.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    @Kay:

    People always allege election interference. This time it actually happened and no one will tell us anything.

    I have many questions! :)

    And why won’t they tell us anything definitive? What’s the hold up?

  122. 122.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    @JPL:

    Did you get your computer fixed? I sat down, hard, on my iPad Sunday morning and shattered the screen into a thousand points of light. Happily, there’s a “U BREAK I FIX” store literally around the corner from me, and they replaced the screen in a few hours. But that was a very tough time, being without my iCrap fix. Missed all you guys.

  123. 123.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    @Elie:

    How do we overcome this?

    A good stiff drink may help.

  124. 124.

    Kay

    June 13, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    @NeenerNeener:

    I feel like street addresses would be caught if not by poll workers then by the voters themselves. They wouldn’t know where to sort the voter- they’d be mixing up precincts, polling places, etc. You would have people standing there “I did NOT move since the last time I voted”. All voter fraud claims rely on the “real” voter never showing up and saying “I did NOT already vote” which is why no one would ever try to swing an election with one of them.

    This would get attention – people saying they don’t live where the poll book says they live. It would be big news in poll worker world. If you wanted to steal an election you would do it after the vote is cast- then it can’t be identified. It’s just “a vote”- it’s no longer a name and an address of an actual person who can make a fuss.

  125. 125.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Hppy pappy bthuthdy!!

    How many glasses have you raised to DLS?

    Dammit, OO, that was a quote.

    But several, if you must know.

  126. 126.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    @JPL: I am ecstatic about the end of my involvement in that toxic environment!

    Not at all worried about what comes next, because now I’m back to just the clients I had before that gig fell into my lap. I was able to pay off my new porch with the money i earned, which is awesome.

    I worked an average of 60 hours a week just for her for the 6 months, on top of my other clients, with only 4 days off since the first of the year, and that was WAY too much. But now I know that I would like to be working more than I had been before this came my way. But I’m not going to try to line up even one more client until the weather turns cold, and while I would like to add another client or two, I do not want to give up my life again like I have since November.

  127. 127.

    divF

    June 13, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Senator Harris’ previous career as a criminal prosecuting attorney serves her well here. The Repubs are afraid of her, and rightly so.

  128. 128.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 7:43 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    “Rein/reign” still at the top of the charts, but “led/lead” is coming up fast. Been seeing that one a lot lately.

    To be fair, we don’t know how much lead poisoning contributed to this mess.

  129. 129.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    And why won’t they tell us anything definitive? What’s the hold up?

    Verification?

  130. 130.

    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: It crashes, and I need to finish some banking stuff, before it fails completely. I ran scans and removed some programs, and hopefully that helps. We’ll see. I glad that you were able to fix your screen.

  131. 131.

    hovercraft

    June 13, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @Lyrebird:
    You are way too kind, I’m not a lawyer, and I might be tempted to beat the crap out of the little shit. As an aside, my sister decided that he should be dubbed Smeagol. I wouldn’t mind being one of Senator Harris’s researchers, I’d happily sit behind her while she handed the detestable shit his ass.

  132. 132.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    @Kay:

    I’ve spent the last 15 years telling people “no, that’s not a conspiracy that’s just an error, no dead people don’t vote even if they’re registered, there are no white vans full of immigrants voting illegally”.

    Guess you’re going to soon find yourself apologizing to all those folks for getting it wrong on one of the above.

  133. 133.

    Quinerly

    June 13, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    Someone may have posted. Haven’t read thru the comments. Josh Marshall’s take on Sessions’ testimony is worth the read: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-few-thoughts-on-the-sessions-hearing

  134. 134.

    hovercraft

    June 13, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    @lamh36:

    Gohmert walks by . I ask him what he thought of Trump saying House bill is mean.”The one…That he had us come over and celebrate?,” he asks

    When even Louie Gohmert is throwing shade……………

    Dang!

  135. 135.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    @JPL:

    I keep wondering, if these were our cars that acted like this, would we shrug and say “Oh well” and put up with the annoyances?

  136. 136.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 7:51 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Thank you! I have had a lovely birthday. Celebrated last night with my oldest friend, had dinner, picked a million cherries from my cherry tree, got a box of my favorite chocolates from Boston. Lots of birthday calls and texts and cards – though none from my BJ peeps, you slackers!

    What’s that you say? You have to know when a birthday is in order to acknowledge it? Excuses, excuses. :-) More birthday celebration next week when I will celebrate with another good friend who is out of town. Took myself out for a late afternoon meal and then got my current favorite drink the bar – you’re not the only one who has a favorite bartender!

    It’s nice to be out from under the burden of all the work and the drama from the evil CEO at the nonprofit, and I am starting to relax, though I still dream every night that I still work there and in my dreams I am trying to finish what I was working on when I left.

  137. 137.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 7:51 pm

    @WaterGirl: Happy birthday! ?????

  138. 138.

    sm*t cl*de

    June 13, 2017 at 7:52 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    today is the 124th anniversary of the birth of my, probably, favourite writer, Dorothy L. Sayers.
    I raise my glass to her.

    Does it contain arsenic, as part of your plan to develop an immunity?

  139. 139.

    Kay

    June 13, 2017 at 7:52 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Right! An actual conspiracy! Imagine if there were a conspiracy that targeted exclusively Republican electeds. We’d all be lining up for interrogation. There would be sweeps and raids and curfews. Sessions is like “ah, who cares? I’ll just sit here and smirk for another 6 months”.

  140. 140.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 7:52 pm

    @hovercraft: Don’t cast aspersions on his asparagus.

  141. 141.

    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 7:52 pm

    @WaterGirl: Good. Now it’s time for cake! Happy b-day.

  142. 142.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Good thing you added that happy birthday… I was feeling a bit miffed that I was being kicked out of your birthday club because it was too full. sniff sniff

  143. 143.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    @NBCNightlyNews
    @HansNichols BREAKING: Pres. Trump is granting Sec. Mattis the authority to adjust US troop levels in Afghanistan, US officials say – @ckubeNBC

  144. 144.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    June 13, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’ll drink to that. May have to go back and reread one of the Wimsey novels. It has been decades: which would you recommend?

    Also, what did you think of The Godfather?

  145. 145.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 13, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    @WaterGirl: You have your own day. Which is yours.

  146. 146.

    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    @lamh36: I guess better than Trump trying to make the decision himself.

  147. 147.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    @Baud: That’s what I was missing! Cake and balloons and party hats! (Does tiramisu count as cake? How about the southern cherry cobbler I will be making tomorrow with the cherries from my tree?) Since you are a renowned BJ attorney, I feel it’s appropriate to ask you about the fine print.

    edited to add missing letters at the end of multiple words.

  148. 148.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    @lamh36:

    Pres. Trump is granting Sec. Mattis the authority to adjust US troop levels in Afghanistan

    Oh shit.
    You’d think a four star would recognize, after all these years, THAT THERE’S NO FUCKING “WINNING” OVER THERE!

  149. 149.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    @jl: flies in the face of that whole “civilian control of the military” thing

  150. 150.

    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    Heartbroken Russian Ambassador Thought Special Meetings With Jeff Sessions Were Very Memorable

  151. 151.

    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    @efgoldman: Who do you trust more?

  152. 152.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    @WaterGirl: Do you want it to count as cake?

  153. 153.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    @Redistrict
    Follow
    More
    VA’s African-American voters also making huge impact in #LtGov race, where Justin Fairfax (D) has defeated Susan Platt (D).

  154. 154.

    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    @lamh36: True. But we are operating under a very ‘second-best’ set of assumptions now.

  155. 155.

    debbie

    June 13, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Happy birthday!

  156. 156.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:06 pm

    @Baud: No, I would like cake, please. Do you deliver?

  157. 157.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    @debbie: Thank you! You may have some of my cake, if I get one. :-)

  158. 158.

    Mary G

    June 13, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    @WaterGirl: Happy Birthday!

    Jennifer Rubin doesn’t mince words in Jeff Sessions wilts on the hot seat:

    A more vivid portrait of absolute dereliction of duty would be hard to duplicate.

    In sum, Sessions was remarkably unconvincing, defensive and downright snippy. If he is this shaken when questioned by former colleagues imagine how he may wilt under Robert S. Mueller III’s grilling.

  159. 159.

    Jeffro

    June 13, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    @lamh36: Whaaattt?

  160. 160.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    @JPL:

    Who do you trust more?

    I wouldn’t trust Saint Theresa, the Pope, or the deity itself if it attached him/herself to that gibbering buffoon.
    Show some fucking honor in your position, service and history.

  161. 161.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 13, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    @WaterGirl: You don’t want Baudcake. Just trust me.

  162. 162.

    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Happy cake day to you also.

  163. 163.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    @efgoldman: I know. My stomach flipped over when I read that. We are living a collective nightmare, where a rabid orange fox is in charge of every henhouse there is.

  164. 164.

    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    @WaterGirl: Baud is an expert in convenience store pastries, snacking cakes and related edible sundries.

  165. 165.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:09 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Sorry I wandered off to have a cupcake with the rest of the June birthdays in our office (though mine isn’t until Thursday).

    I wouldn’t say to watch for anything in particular, except maybe Jack Lemmon’s reactions within the scenes, all of which are priceless. Wilder has a lot of fun with making a movie in the late 1950s that takes place in 1929, so there are some fun in-jokes there.

    And if you don’t recognize him, the aging millionaire in Florida is played by Joe E. Brown, who was a star comedian in the early 1930s. He steals the movie.

  166. 166.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:09 pm

    @WaterGirl: Not after the incident.

  167. 167.

    debbie

    June 13, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Mmm, cake!

  168. 168.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    @Jeffro: Is that significant?

  169. 169.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    As to Godfather: I see why everyone says it is such a fine film. Glad I saw it, but not sure I would have felt especially deprived if I hadn’t.

    As to Lord Peter: For a standalone, I would go for Murder Must Advertise, or The Nine Tailors. (Personally, I have a great affection for Five Red Herrings, but I get that not everyone likes the heavy Scots dialect and/or the timetable.)

    For a small series, I always love reading the four Lord Peter-Harriet Vane novels in chronological order, and watching their relationship develop and grow richer. In sequence, they are Strong Poison, Have His Carcase, Gaudy Night, and Busman’s Honeymoon. (Then there are the Jill Paton-Walsh sequels, which are good enough reads but not DLS by any stretch: Thrones Dominations, A Presumption of Death, The Attenbury Emeralds, and The Late Scholar.)

    Much more than you wanted, I’m sure.

  170. 170.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I almost googled Baudcake just for grins, to see if anything would come up. But last time i googled from something you wrote I ended up watching “fuck me because I love Jesus”, which was a teachable moment. Sadly, that was before I knew anything about private browsing.

    Full disclosure, I thought the video was awful and awesome at the same time, and I watched it to the end.

  171. 171.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    @Baud: Was law enforcement involved?

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    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    @jl:

    Baud is an expert in convenience store pastries

    These are food of the gods!

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    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    @Baud: I am intrigued.

    If you modified it slightly, that would make a great first sentence for a novel or short story.

  174. 174.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: There were handcuffs.

  175. 175.

    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    @Mary G: Thanks,
    From your link:

    ” The contrast with Comey was striking. Sessions, grayer and older, looked nervous and shrunken in his seat, growing defensive at times. ”

    In defense of Sessions, he is unavoidably older and grayer than Comey. Obama was mean and didn’t lend him the time machine so he could freshen up for today’s hearing. And Sessions always looks nervous, shrunken and defensive.

    Josh Marhsall and TPM reporters have some good analysis of the Sessions testimony. Here is their analysis of his hinky tales regarding the Mayflower hotel thing, whatever it was:

    What Really Happened At The Mayflower? Sessions Gives Conflicting Answers
    By ALICE OLLSTEIN Published JUNE 13, 2017
    TPM
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sessions-mayflower-hotel-trump-kislyak-russia-senate

    Edit: ‘hinky’ is a word I remember from an old Dragnet rerun I saw as a kid. Means ‘fishy’. Just so you know I am all up on this cops and robbers and true crime stuff.

  176. 176.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Not too much for me! I loved all those stories.

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    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    @Baud: That’s not what I asked, handcuffs could be used in other situations.

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    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Do male strippers dressed up as cops count as law enforcement?

  179. 179.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    WaPo says Northam won in the VA Dem primary.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    June 13, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    @JPL: No, mine is later this summer. I share with SD not WG.

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    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    handcuffs could be used in other situations.

    Have you been deputized?

  182. 182.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    @WaterGirl: No. Happy B-day.

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    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Oh wow.

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    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I will share my cake with you anyway.

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    MomSense

    June 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Happy birthday!!! I hope you had a nice day.

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    Steeplejack (phone)

    June 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Happy birthday to you, too!

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    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    @efgoldman: No, I don’t have any handcuffs.

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    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    I don’t remember why that’s significant.

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    Spanky

    June 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    @Kay: Depends on what data they actually have. Did they only pick up communications that discussed what they did in general terms, or in really specific terms, or did they find actual evidence on the voting systems themselves? What they found could range from heresay evidence to a hot smoking gun. And I can see why they’d be reluctant to burn a source that is probably still providing intel, especially if there are third party sources.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    June 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    @WaterGirl: My influence is often bad.

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    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    @Baud: Oh wow, good? Or oh wow, bad? I have been out of the loop and unaware of that election.

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    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    @WaterGirl: Don’t talk about making anything from the fruit of your tree. Gets Baud confused about your intentions and other things.

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    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:21 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: That’s one of the reasons we love you.

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    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    @jl: I see what you mean. So I probably shouldn’t invite Baud over to eat my cobbler. Noted.

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    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Oh please, Mnem. I’m almost 75, of course I remember Joe E. Brown.

    And I do recall him in SLIH, but suspect his scenes will be much greater on the large screen. Will come back with comments tomorrow.

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    Steeplejack (phone)

    June 13, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    @Morzer:

    Jesus, talk about a smoking gun.

  197. 197.

    Mary G

    June 13, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    Well, to get on my hobbyhorse again, the Senate voted 53-47 to let a portion of the arms sales to Saudi Arabia go through. The vote was much closer this year than last year, when Chris Murphy only got 27 votes. The Hill says

    Senators voted 47-53 on advancing the resolution, falling short of the simple majority needed to move forward. GOP Sens. Mike Lee (Utah), Rand Paul (Ky.) Todd Young (Ind.) and Dean Heller (Nev.) voted with most Democrats to advance it.

    Democratic Sens. Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Bill Nelson (Fla.), Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Mark Warner (Va.) voted against moving the measure.

    Chuck Schumer finally joined the good side, saying that SA has to stop supporting Wahhabi teaching of violent jihad.

  198. 198.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    @WaterGirl: They were both good candidates AFAIK. I thought I heard that Periello was polling ahead.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    June 13, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    @jl:

    Don’t talk about making anything from the fruit of your tree.

    Fucking Milton.

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    Aimai

    June 13, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    @Zach: no occams razor says he met with the russians three times for a reason.

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    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    I don’t have any handcuffs

    Well, damn. You’re no fun!

  202. 202.

    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    @WaterGirl: Especially not on your birthday.
    It is your birthday, right? There are two birthdays here today.
    Anyway, happy birthday, if that is what today is.

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    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Mine is whenever we celebrate. My ex never had time to buy cake, so sometimes we’d celebrate in the fall, even though my birthday is in July. The adult sons are still confused, about when my b-day is. lol

  204. 204.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Per the WaPo notification on my computer, he won over the candidate that was endorsed by Sen. Warren and the junior Senator from Vermont.

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    randy khan

    June 13, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    The main D.C. news radio station is reporting that Northam is projected to win the Dem primary for Governor of Virginia.

    Edit: I see I’m late to the party.

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    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Risotto man (Podesta) also endorsed him though.

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    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    @WaterGirl: If they are coming out of a cake universal laws will be enforced.

    ETA And Happy Birthday!

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    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    @Aimai:

    he met with the russians three times for a reason.

    When all is said and done, I bet it was to receive (or arrange to receive) some kind of illegal money.

  209. 209.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:27 pm

    @KevDGrussing
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    @RalphNortham Black voter-driven win tonight should be a warning sign for @TheDemocrats that Black voters are still just not into Bernie.

  210. 210.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Well, I never know where people’s knowledge gaps are! ?

    The one criticism that G and I had of the broadcast was that the picture seemed a little softer than it should be, but that may have been our theater.

    If you’ve seen it before, then I would keep an eye out for how the themes of the opening scene echo throughout the movie, where nobody is what they seem and danger is in unlikely places.

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    schrodingers_cat

    June 13, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: So, the neoliberal won?
    /end snark.

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    Steeplejack (phone)

    June 13, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Why, I oughta . . . [fist clenched]

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    randy khan

    June 13, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    More or less every Virginia Dem endorsed Northam, along with NARAL. Periello was a little bit squishy on choice (and gun control, too).

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    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    @jl: By their fruits shall ye know them.

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    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    @Baud: I’m just reporting the way WaPo had it in their notification on my thinkin’ machine.

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    amk

    June 13, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    Days to hit a 60% disapproval rating:
    Carter: Never
    Reagan: Never
    H.W. Bush: Never
    Clinton: Never
    W. Bush: 1,756
    Obama: Never
    Trump: 144
    — Brian Klaas (@brianklaas) June 13, 2017

  217. 217.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    @Aleta:

    Are we talking about Some Like It Hot again?

    (That film’s cake scene … doesn’t end well for some characters.)

  218. 218.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    @MomSense: I had a lovely day two days. I got a pedicure and a massage, had a lovely meal, got 3 different kinds of chocolate, heard from friends and family.

  219. 219.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    @JPL:

    The adult sons are still confused, about when my b-day is. lol

    My late paternal grandfather claimed not to know the day, or even year, of his birth. Of course he had no paperwork from the old country (did Russia even register Jewish births in the late 1880s?) and we found out very late in his life that he was afraid of the Cossacks coming up the street in Boston(!) and dragooning him into the Russian army – even though he knew very well that the Czars were gone.

  220. 220.

    JPL

    June 13, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    @lamh36: He attacked Trump by calling him a narcissistic maniac, and I wish Ossoff would also.

  221. 221.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    @lamh36: I’m so fucking confused. Bernie was running for something in VA?

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    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    @amk: Good.

  223. 223.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone): Thanks, Steepl

  224. 224.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Lamh36 answered my question in #208.

    If Wilmer’s candidates aren’t doing well in majority-white states, and they’re not doing well in states with large minority populations, where will they do well?

  225. 225.

    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    @amk: OK, great. Trump did something 5 of the 6 last presidents never did (including, very importantly, Obama) and he beat Dub by over 1,600 days, and did it without a botched invasion or major national disaster.

    So, Trump wins! Someone let Trump know. He might declare victory and resign.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    June 13, 2017 at 8:34 pm

    @efgoldman: Cossacks, Sox fans from Southie – is there really a difference?

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    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:34 pm

    @Corner Stone: Proxy fight. A dumb one IMHO. Periello seems like a decent guy.

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    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:34 pm

    @lamh36:

    Black voters are still just not into Bernie.

    Hardly a surprise, except maybe to Bernie and the Bots.
    And once again his endorsement proves to be less than worthless.

  229. 229.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    Why, I oughta . . . [fist clenched]

    You little . . .

  230. 230.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 13, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    @efgoldman:

    he was afraid of the Cossacks coming up the street in Boston

    I’ve heard about Massholes and their “driving”.

  231. 231.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    I think that dirty money from Russia is the key to everything about Trump and his illegitimate regime. That’s where everything ends up if you look at the various trails and lies and evasions. It’s what links Kushner, Sater, Trump’s solvency after a series of disastrous attempts to be a business man, the refusal to release the tax returns, the choice of pay-to-play oligarchs for his cabinet. If we ever do get to see the Trump/Kushner financials, my bet is that we see two families that were so heavily in debt that without Russian money they’d have crashed and burned years ago. It’s a good bet that they still are heavily in debt and are trying desperately to pay back their owners, which is why they’ve blatantly violated the Emoluments clause repeatedly.

  232. 232.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    @jl:

    60% is 3/5 is it not?

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    jake the antisoshul soshulist

    June 13, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    @JPL:
    I go with Warwick Davis.

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    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    where will they do well?

    I understand Marvin Martian’s family are huge Bernie supporters.
    He needs to shut up and go lie down. Now he’s just embarrassing himself.

  235. 235.

    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    @efgoldman: There’s a story in USA Today about 70% of investment in Trump Org properties since the election being from shell companies, iirc.

    Accurate story here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/13/trump-property-buyers-make-clear-shift-secretive-llcs/102399558/
    Something like 100 million $.

  236. 236.

    Keith P.

    June 13, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    LOL, KIrsten Power just put her foot down on Jason Miller throwing out calling a female Senator “hysterical”. Rather than let it go or just talk about it for a second or two and then moving on, she insisted on Jason Miller explain why the woman is “hysterical” but the man (Wyden) is just “dogged”. Then Jeffrey Lord wanted some, so KP gave him some. It was awesome.

  237. 237.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    @KarlFrisch 57s57 seconds ago
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    GOP race for #VaGov separated about about 1k votes but right now Dems enjoy more than 100k turnout advantage. Good news for November.

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    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Sox fans from Southie….

    Were all scared shitless of hosses.

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    Chyron HR

    June 13, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    @efgoldman:

    It’s like people don’t even understand that Big Bird’s disciples are automatically entitled to their votes because he woulda won.

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    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    @lamh36: Excellent news.

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    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    @Aleta:

    Try #113 on this very thread.

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    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    @jbouie 1m1 minute ago
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    So, this is wild. Virginia Republicans may well nominate the neo-Confederate for governor.

    @Redistrict 6m6 minutes ago
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    The best thing to happen to Corey Stewart’s campaign, which was recently on life support: New Orleans/Charlottesville monument fights.

    So does this mean, the GOP candidate has to double down on the neo confederacy bullshit? Or will he try to tack center?

  243. 243.

    Hal

    June 13, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    @efgoldman: It’s interesting how little weight Sander’s endorsement has had so far in these races. But if he has encouraged these candidates to move further left and be more progressive, that’s still great. I just wish Sanders and his supporters would realize that fact.

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    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:45 pm

    @Morzer:

    Don’t forget the Super PACs. We were warned years ago when the Supreme Court first decided Citizens United that Super PACs would allow foreign governments to funnel money into our elections without being held accountable. I suspect that’s why the Republicans are closing ranks — they know there’s Russian money in their coffers and they’re trying to conceal it.

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    Aleta

    June 13, 2017 at 8:45 pm

    @Morzer: Thanks, missed it!

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    Josie

    June 13, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    @WaterGirl: I’m so glad that things are better for you. Happy birthday and congratulations on getting out of that vexing work environment.

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    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    Something for Dems to think about…esp in states where AA voters makes up a large chunk of Dem voters and can make a big difference…

    @blankslate2017 2m2 minutes ago
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    Replying to @mattyglesias @AlGiordano @EJXavier1
    Perrielllo was a big Obama backer & should’ve done better among AA voters. That he got tagged as a Sanders guy killed him in VA.

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    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 8:47 pm

    @lamh36:

    Virginia Republicans may well nominate the neo-Confederate for governor.

    It’s almost like a significant number of Republicans are racist crackpots who regret that the Southern traitors lost their war against the United States.

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    Elizabelle

    June 13, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Yea! Ralph Northam is great. Happy to see that outcome.

    And: fun with the New York Times: this is their blurb, but check it against results so far (on the GOP side):

    Ralph S. Northam, the current lieutenant governor has won the Democratic primary to replace Gov. Terry McAuliffe. He defeated Tom Perriello, a former congressman who counts Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren as big-name backers.

    On the Republican side, Ed Gillespie, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee, is the overwhelming favorite.

    Uh huh. The “overwhelming favorite”, with 77% of votes in, is leading by 1 percentage point.

    The runner up is Corey Stewart, chairman of Trump’s Virginia campaign, who was described in the WaPost as:

    As for the third candidate, Prince William Board of County Supervisors Chairman Corey A. Stewart, his candidacy has been a romp through the fetid fields of intolerance and Confederacy nostalgia.

    Confederate nostalgia is having a night in the Old Dominion.

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    Mike in NC

    June 13, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    @efgoldman: “War Machine” on Netflix nails the quagmire in Afghanistan.

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    Steeplejack

    June 13, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    God, this is where Chris Hayes is at his weakest: he is letting Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) spew out inky clouds of obfuscation going back years—the IRS “attack” on Tea Party groups!—to cloud the waters today. C’mon, man, reign rain rein that fucker in. Joy Reid would be having none of this bullshit.

    (I’m 20 minutes behind on the DVR.)

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    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:49 pm

    @GarrettHaake 6m6 minutes ago
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    Spoke to two deeply-plugged-in Virginia GOP sources totally dumbfounded by @CoreyStewartVA locked in super tight race w/ Gillespie. Shocker

  253. 253.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    @tomperriello
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    Congratulations to @RalphNortham. Let’s go win this thing—united. Let’s take back the House and ensure VA remains a firewall against hate.

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    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    @lamh36: I hope now people can settle down instead of doubling down. But I can’t say I’m optimistic.

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    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    @gdebenedetti
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    Democratic turnout thru the roof. Roughly 3/4 of precincts reporting on both sides. ~384k Dems have voted. ~234k Republicans. In Virginia!

  256. 256.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    That’s definitely another piece of the puzzle. I don’t think the GOP can stop and remove Trump at this point, even if they wanted to. Either they go pedal to the metal and rely on vote-suppression to hold onto power, or they face exposure as a party owned by a foreign power with anti-American interests and strategies at the top of its agenda. What will happen if they look like losing power? Heaven only knows, but I suspect it’s going to get very ugly, very fast.

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    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    @lamh36:

    Gosh, it’s almost like Trump’s win empowered and emboldened the white supremacists, just like we’ve been saying since November.

    Too bad there was nobody willing to warn the Republicans about the basket of deplorables who were supporting them, huh?

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    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    @lamh36: Excellent. Like I said, I thought he was a good guy.

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    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    @lamh36:

    Yay! That’s what I want to see from Democratic primary losers!

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    Hal

    June 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    @Steeplejack: As much as I like Hayes, I didn’t even bother to watch the interview because I knew that’s what he would do.

    Tonight on All In, we’ll get to the bottom of the Russia investigation. First up, Republican Congressman blah blah who will bullshit his way through the next 5 minutes. Why do I even have him on my show? Perspective!!

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    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Too bad indeed.

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    Shana

    June 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    Looks like Virginia will be Ralph Northam (Gov.) and Justin Fairfax (Lt. Gov.) for the Dems this year. Only 14% turnout at my precinct, running about 2 to 1 for Dems according to the election officials. I was only there from 6am-9:30am, 12N-1:30pm, and 5-7pm. The Rs had no one outside. There were folks from a non-partisan group pushing for redistricting reform for a while (good for them).

    I was gathering info for people who want to get info/involved in helping elect the Dems this year and had a lot of conversations ranging from “Hell yes, we’ve got to take back our country” to “What the f*&k has happened to my country?” My precinct has gone from 2/3 R to about 2/3 D in the 10 years I’ve been doing this. Even most of the Rs are disgusted with Trump is my take on it. We’re a fairly wealthy section of Fairfax County with lots of federal employees as well as government contractors. They may be R but they’re not stupid.

  263. 263.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    Tell me again the Republican party w/Trump at the head isn’t about hate and bigotry. this guy likely wins cause of confederate monuments

    @Redistrict 3m3 minutes ago
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    Gillespie’s lead has narrowed to 881 votes (0.3%) w/ 84% reporting. Still more than half of Fairfax County out. Hold onto your hats.

    @ryanobles
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    Ryan Nobles Retweeted Dave Wasserman
    Gillespie was running 11th hour digital ads promising republicans that he would fight to protect Confederate monuments

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    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    And apparently the Tangerine Traitor has just given Mattis the power to throw more troops into the meat-grinder any time he feels like it. If only there were somebody in Trump’s Coalition of the Corrupt and Cretinous who had written a book about generals giving bad advice to the president who could step up and point out that this is not a winnable war…..

  265. 265.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    Can we please, PLEASE, put a fucking moratorium on using the god damned awful Cats in the Cradle in any commercial. EVER AGAIN.

  266. 266.

    Elizabelle

    June 13, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    Actually, here’s the WaPost’s GOP endorsement, from same article that endorsed Ralph Northam:

    In the Republican race, the most sensible and, by a country mile, the most principled of the three candidates is state Sen. Frank Wagner, who also happens to be an underdog lagging in money and, outside his Virginia Beach district, name recognition.

    As for the Republicans, the choice for us is simpler. Mr. Wagner is in some ways a GOP version of Mr. Northam — down-to-earth, substantive, principled and well-versed in policy and the ways of Richmond. By contrast, the putative front-runner, Ed Gillespie, a former Republican national chair and George W. Bush White House veteran who has dodged debates, is more opportunistic, proposing a pie-in-the-sky tax cut that disintegrates upon contact with reality. As for the third candidate, Prince William Board of County Supervisors Chairman Corey A. Stewart, his candidacy has been a romp through the fetid fields of intolerance and Confederacy nostalgia.

    Fetid Fields is making a night of it, and the Post’s endorsee is trailing with 13% of the vote, most of it probably from Hampton Roads area.

    And the NY Times changed their blurb, within the last few minutes:

    On the Republican side, Ed Gillespie, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee, had been the favorite before polls closed.

  267. 267.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    @Shana:

    California has had very good luck with a nonpartisan redistricting board. Arizona has one, too, but theirs worked so well that AZ Republicans sued to shut it down.

    Nonpartisan redistricting is the way to go.

  268. 268.

    magurakurin

    June 13, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: yes…like in France. But the loss will be spun as a great victory like in the UK.

  269. 269.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    @lamh36:

    VLADIMIR
    Well? Shall we go and vote for the moderate Republican?
    ESTRAGON
    Yes, let’s go.
    [They do not move.]

  270. 270.

    Iowa Old Lady

    June 13, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    @lamh36: That’s the spirit!

  271. 271.

    Elizabelle

    June 13, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    @Shana: Good on you, Shana. Proud of you. And very happy with our nominees.

    I was emailing my buds from afar to remind them to vote. They did. :-)

  272. 272.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    Big Bird’s disciples are automatically entitled to their votes because he woulda won.

    Why are you slandering Big Bird?

  273. 273.

    Elizabelle

    June 13, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    New thread about Virginia? Could be fun to discuss. Thanks!

  274. 274.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    @Timodc 1h1 hour ago
    More
    Corey “I ❤️Confederacy & Trump” Stewart – might put up a # that is a wake up call to establishment GOP types who think Trump is a Black Swan

  275. 275.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    One to watch?

    @DKElections
    Follow
    More
    Bob Marshall, who tried to pass VA’s own bathroom bill, will face transgender Dem in seat Clinton won 55-40

  276. 276.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    @lamh36:

    the GOP candidate has to double down on the neo confederacy bullshit?

    Depends how ideologically delusional he is.

  277. 277.

    Chyron HR

    June 13, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    So you want commercials with no damn cat, and no damn cradle?

  278. 278.

    magurakurin

    June 13, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    @Baud: by all accounts is and he is hitting the campaign trail together with Northam from tomorrow. Hopefully, neither will tell Sanders about it.

  279. 279.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    @lamh36:

    I thought Trump was more of an Orange Vulture than a Black Swan.

  280. 280.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    June 13, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    @Mnemosyne: “Well, nobody’s perfect!”

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    Elizabelle

    June 13, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    @debbie: Thank you so much. I did happen to see the obit for the late, great Ms. Carol Ann Bonner earlier today. Was at the beach, on my iPhone, and just did not respond yet because of the finality of it all hit me. But have been thinking of her all afternoon and evening, and so glad we have a name. Alain made that happen. I will respond in the obit thread later, and am glad to hear of our virtual wake on Friday. Hope to be there.

  282. 282.

    Barbara

    June 13, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    @lamh36: Gillespie’s vote in Northern Virginia is mostly inside the Beltway. He is doing well in Richmond and Virginia Beach and that is pretty much the story. Northam basically took the eastern half of the state plus some southwrstern counties. Perriello won his home turf and most of the west.

  283. 283.

    Barbara

    June 13, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    @lamh36: I met one of the other candidates for this seat — Kahlon — and he seemed like a really good guy.

  284. 284.

    debbie

    June 13, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    @lamh36:

    If only for the irony.

  285. 285.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    @JPL: That’s funny! If you play your cards right, you could end up with two birthdays and two celebrations each year.

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    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 9:09 pm

    @Morzer:

    racist crackpots who regret that the Southern traitors lost their war against the United States.

    They can’t regret what they think never happened.

  287. 287.

    lamh36

    June 13, 2017 at 9:10 pm

    @SymoneDSanders 2m2 minutes ago
    More
    [email protected] has Locke duo the Democratic nomination for Lt. governor of VA! If elected, he will be the first Black Lt. Governor of VA.

  288. 288.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone): How much of a led will you give me?

  289. 289.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    John Podhoretz‏Verified account @jpodhoretz 38m38 minutes ago
    VA possibilities: extremists surging because Trump has revolutionized GOP, or because moderates have become Democrats. Either way, trouble.

    GOP‏Verified account
    @GOP
    One day until @POTUS’s birthday! Have you signed his card yet?

    I can’t imagine how a cult of Trump’s personality could possibly lead a party wrong….

  290. 290.

    scav

    June 13, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Hppy pappy bthuthdy!! Indeed, Winnie der Pooh! The official cake of most of my childhood.

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    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    @Josie: Thank you! This has been part birthday celebration and part celebration of my new found freedom. It’s like 4th of July for me, where are the fireworks??? :-)

  292. 292.

    Elizabelle

    June 13, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    @Morzer: Trump did not revolutionize the GOP. He channeled them. They built an electorate for him, he grifted onto their already radicalized party.

    Tell us another one, Mr. Podhoretz.

  293. 293.

    Steeplejack

    June 13, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I like the detailed information! I read all, or almost all, of the Wimsey novels back in the ’70s, when the BBC series was on PBS. But I haven’t looked at them since then, so it was good to get a refresher and some suggestions for which one to sample.

    As with a lot of crime-novel series, the narrative sort of runs together in my mind as one long super-novel.

  294. 294.

    hovercraft

    June 13, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    @Morzer:

    60% is 3/5 is it not?

    Soo what you’re telling me that if you take out the blah people, the Mexicans, the Asians, the Native American people and anyone not considered a “Real American”, Twitler is really popular.

  295. 295.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    @Elizabelle: I don’t think I realized until just now that in Virginia the governor can only serve one term. Has it always been that way?

  296. 296.

    germy

    June 13, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    Terry McAuliffe Is Thinking of Running for President

  297. 297.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    I have been grimly amused at the sight of the right wing Never Trumper “resistance” insisting that he is somehow a unique and viral contagion of an innocent party that never had nothing to do with their own diligent falsehoods and scaremongering.

  298. 298.

    Jeffro

    June 13, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @JPL:

    [Northam] attacked Trump by calling him a narcissistic maniac, and I wish Ossoff would also.

    Northam’s going to win this now solidly-blue Commonwealth in November. Ed Fucking Gillespie – if he even pulls out a win here – can enjoy trying to have it both ways with Trumpov and see what that gets him.

    Dems, take note: there is no downside to calling Trumpov a narcissistic maniac, full stop.

  299. 299.

    Shana

    June 13, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @Corner Stone: Bernie endorsed Perriello. Sorry if this has already been answered.

  300. 300.

    germy

    June 13, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    Given where Democrats are intellectually and emotionally right now, the idea of the man this same Politico piece refers to as a “happy huckster insider caricature” becoming the party’s choice to take on Donald Trump (assuming Trump is still in office) in 2020 seems, well, unlikely. Aside from angry Sanders supporters for whom McAuliffe wears horns, disappointed Clinton supporters who think perceptions of HRC as a stooge of Wall Street and other moneyed circles did her in (with a big assist from James Comey and Wikileaks) are not likely to cast yearning eyes towards a pol who examplifies a lot of what makes both Clintons maddening, even to those who love them and cherish their legacy. The most compelling rationale for McAulliffe 2020 is one that most Democrats would reject outright: “Maybe we need our own Trump.”

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/terry-mcauliffe-is-thinking-of-running-for-president.html

  301. 301.

    Jeffro

    June 13, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    @Baud:

    Proxy fight. A dumb one IMHO. Periello seems like a decent guy.

    it was, and he is, and there was never more than 1-2% difference between them on the issues…much like a certain other Dem race that took place about this time a year, year and a half ago.

    I can’t tell y’all how many calls I got from both sides, and both sides were equally shocked when I told them I was taking a pass and going to throw my support and efforts wholeheartedly behind whomever won this coming November. Keep yer powder dry – save it for Republicans!

  302. 302.

    efgoldman

    June 13, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    put a fucking moratorium on using the god damned awful Cats in the Cradle in any commercial. EVER AGAIN.

    Worse, the use misconstrues the intent of the whole song – like when the RWNJs use Born in the USA.

  303. 303.

    Immanentize

    June 13, 2017 at 9:22 pm

    [email protected]germy:
    ZOMG
    NO thank you

    ETA. But he is so youthful. Only 60 now

  304. 304.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    Jim Acosta‏Verified account
    @Acosta

    Jim Acosta Retweeted Elizabeth Landers
    And there’s more. Source says Trump also called House health care bill “cold-hearted” and that the Senate “needs to spend more money.”

    Man, I bet Paul Ryan has a spring in his step and a song in his heart after hearing that little bon mot from Donnie Putinobitch.

  305. 305.

    germy

    June 13, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    @Morzer: Cue the record needle scratching sound effect
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qle5J85-RI

  306. 306.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    @germy:

    I am not wild about the Macker, although he’s grown on me in his Virginia governing days, but he really doesn’t seem comparable to Trump.

  307. 307.

    Jeffro

    June 13, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    @germy: Good luck with that, Terry, you’re going to need it.
    Lots of other good choices out there, btw.

  308. 308.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @germy: I’m glad we’re finally taking a break from worrying about Andrew Cuomo.

  309. 309.

    Peale

    June 13, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @germy: ??? I had heard he was a decent governor. How is he like Trump?

  310. 310.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    @Baud:

    So the Baud campaign is officially issuing a Cuomo No-No?

  311. 311.

    Shana

    June 13, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I agree. I’d love to see non-partisan redistricting here. Depends on how many Ds we elect this year (I’m not holding my breath for the House of Delegates).

  312. 312.

    hovercraft

    June 13, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @lamh36:

    Perrielllo was a big Obama backer & should’ve done better among AA voters. That he got tagged as a Sanders guy killed him in VA.

    I remember when he was one of his early supporters and that he voted for the ACA knowing it would cost him his seat, which was I was rooting for him today. The BS taint was too much to overcome though. SAD!
    Perhaps someone could tell BS that traveling the country talking about the need to appeal to wwc voters, while his Johnny come lately discovery of BLM as an important issue has all but disappeared, is not the way to endear yourself to the actual base of our party.
    I feel bad for Perriello, but we still got a good candidate.

  313. 313.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 13, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @efgoldman: Born at home (in SW PA) my father (so the story goes) was so sickly he wasn’t expected to survive. After he made it through his first month he was taken to the local Catholic church for baptism, which provided the earliest documented record of his existence. When he needed an official birth certificate the family backed off the date of baptism by a month & reported that, which became his official birthdate – but no one still living is absolutely sure how accurate that is. Close enough for government work, one supposes.

  314. 314.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Rick Wilson‏Verified account
    @TheRickWilson

    Rick Wilson Retweeted Holly Tooker
    Base support level — the impassable partisan divide is in the high 20sRick Wilson added,
    Holly Tooker @kellabeck
    Replying to @thatbillokeefe @TheRickWilson @CheriJacobus
    Serious question: How is Trump’s approval so high? Should be in single digits.

    The high 20s… as in.. 27%?

  315. 315.

    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @hovercraft:

    ” Soo what you’re telling me that if you take out the blah people, the Mexicans, the Asians, the Native American people and anyone not considered a “Real American”, Twitler is really popular. ”

    Trump’s rising unpopularity is due mainly to loss in support from white dudes. He lost most of everyone else long ago.
    Can check this by doing a search of ‘Trump support whites’ Lots of stories on starting in April.

  316. 316.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @Morzer: He’s not going to be the nominee. Neither is Terry.

  317. 317.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @Peale: I thought he was pretty smarmy when he was head of the DNC, but I have liked what I have seen of him as governor. Still, I don’t think he is presidential material.

    edit to add: On the other hand, see Trump, Donald.

  318. 318.

    Shana

    June 13, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes, unfortunately, only one consecutive term. I suppose someone could come back after a term out of office and run again. Any VA people know?

  319. 319.

    amk

    June 13, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    @germy: terry may or may not be prez material but he sure ain’t no fucking twitler.

  320. 320.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    @Baud:

    How could either of them be the nominee for the Baud 2020 campaign? I was asking about Presumptive Candidate For Life Baud’s views on his VP pick.

  321. 321.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    @Shana: The google says the answer to your question is yes. It’s consecutive terms that are term-limited. I suppose that gives the governors the freedom to do what they think is right without having to worry about what it will mean for reelection chances.

  322. 322.

    Steeplejack

    June 13, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    You know your ’30s movie dialogue!

  323. 323.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Baud: I know it’s way too early to think about 2020, but I apparently can’t help myself. Do you think Kaine might run?

  324. 324.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @Morzer: Jared Kushner, of course. The guy can do everything.

  325. 325.

    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @Morzer:

    ” I was asking about Presumptive Candidate For Life Baud’s views on his VP pick. ”
    Can Baud trust you to hold his beer? I’d guess that is the most important of the various litmus tests.

  326. 326.

    Baud

    June 13, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @WaterGirl: I think he will give it serious thought.

  327. 327.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    @Baud:

    So you plan to push the Kush, while at the same time he’s going to be the VP (Everything) for the Tangerine Scream’s campaign?

    Innovative!

  328. 328.

    Morzer

    June 13, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    @jl:

    So the ticket is going to be Baud/S.Umtable?

  329. 329.

    Elizabelle

    June 13, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    @WaterGirl: Checking on it a little more, but I think it’s a mid 20th century fix. To stop the Byrd machine in Virginia. Old Southern Democrats. I think governors could originally succeed themselves. Will be back with response on that …

  330. 330.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    @Elizabelle: Interesting! I will await further info…

  331. 331.

    randy khan

    June 13, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    @lamh36:

    Good for Periello. I supported Northam, but didn’t think Periello was a bad guy, and am glad to see him doing this.

    The VA Dems have their act together better than they have in a long time – they have a much better slate of candidates for the House of Delegates than in years.

  332. 332.

    hovercraft

    June 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    @jl:
    I was being facetious, I was channelling Twitler, if you discount the views of those people, then I’m very popular, kind of like when you subtract the illegals I won the popular vote.

  333. 333.

    Lyrebird

    June 13, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    @hovercraft: Yeah, I couldn’t watch him on the news without wanting to destroy something, I do hear you! Sorry I got my legal eagles mixed up here, but I know you could destroy his evasion and obfuscation!

    Thanks also for Smeagol. Yes. Others use “Keebler elf” — not devious enough.

  334. 334.

    Steeplejack

    June 13, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    @Hal:

    Jeez, wish I had seen that promo. I would have given that segment a miss!

    Hayes does not do well with the rude, overtalking asshole types. His staff needs to do more vetting so they don’t get on, or maybe they need to send Hayes to attack-dog host school. Not the whole course, maybe just a weekend seminar to steel him up a bit.

  335. 335.

    Elizabelle

    June 13, 2017 at 9:54 pm

    @WaterGirl: I was wrong about it being a 20th century innovation. The rule barring Virginia governors from serving consecutive turns has been around since before the Civil War. From a letter to the editor of the Richmond Times Dispatch a few years ago,

    The editorial, “Coming to Terms,” gives some credit to the Byrd organization for limiting Virginia’s governors to one four-year term. I must point out that such credit as it may be is not deserved, for one simple reason: The single four-year term requirement was adopted in 1852 — 36 years before Harry Byrd Sr. was born. Virginia’s first governor, Patrick Henry, and its second, Thomas Jefferson, were each elected for a one-year term, and were allowed two additional one-year terms.

    In the 1830s, this was changed to one three-year term, prohibiting succession. In 1852 — 154 years ago — it was changed to a single four-year term.

    Until I read your editorial, I was open to persuasion as to whether to allow a successive term. A paragraph in a Times-Dispatch news story cited former Gov. Linwood Holton’s assertion that if the ban on consecutive terms was lifted governors would begin raising money for re-election the moment after their first term began. He worried such a change would introduce the governor’s office to the realm of the permanent campaign.

    Gov. Holton’s concern is an accurate and powerful one. U.S. senators already are beginning to collect campaign funds almost as soon as they take the oath of office for their six-year terms. During this past year’s senatorial election, George Allen spent $16 million and Jim Webb $8 million.

    Anyway, The Times-Dispatch and Linwood Holton together have got me back on the right track.

    Bonus info: Linwood Holton, a genuinely moderate Republican governor, is Tim Kaine’s father in law.

  336. 336.

    hugely

    June 13, 2017 at 9:57 pm

    @lamh36: she’s a super hottie? I’ve seen her on a plane, stone cold fox – no lie

  337. 337.

    hugely

    June 13, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    @efgoldman: Ambassador General Rodman you mean – heh

  338. 338.

    jl

    June 13, 2017 at 10:05 pm

    @hovercraft: I kind of figured you were at least semi snarking. Your comment sparked my curiosity so I looked up some recent polls with breakdowns. Trump is falling across the board. Besides white men, recent big drops in rural areas and in military, Trump is underwater with both those groups now, and not by a few points close to margin of error, but substantially for example -9 points with military.

    WSJ: Trump’s Approval Among Military Drops 16 Points
    NewsMax
    Tuesday June 13, 2017

    I don’t feel like linking to NewsMax, but it’s just a report of a WSJ poll.

  339. 339.

    WaterGirl

    June 13, 2017 at 10:08 pm

    @Elizabelle: Interesting! The only part I already knew was the Kaine father-in-law, though I didn’t know his name. Thanks.

  340. 340.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    @Steeplejack: Hayes just needs to stop having them. There is zero reason for it. His audience doesn’t tune in to see Jim Jordan or some fucking Trump flack.
    It’s the same problem I have with Joy when she books a Trump mouthpiece on. She’ll have three decent, mostly reasonable people and then one fucking mouthbreather.
    Even when she smacks them around every 15 seconds it is still a waste of an entire panel. They ruin whole segments of her show, and she doesn’t get enough airtime to be doing that very often.
    Just don’t have them on. Send me the guest list. I can pre strike the whole thing in 20 seconds.

  341. 341.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    Adding on, Hayes gets fucking rolled. I have never seen a show host get rolled as hard as Hayes routinely does. Tweety will let them go for a minute and if they don’t answer his question or say something he doesn’t like he will bulldog their ass. He ain’t there for that bullshit.
    Rachel does her own polite disagreement but doesn’t get rolled like CH does.
    And Greta. My fucking God. Her entire job is to let the RWNJ on her show talk and talk and talk unobstructed until the segment break. She is, and remains, completely unwatchable.

  342. 342.

    scott alloway

    June 13, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Lay down 5 to 1 he is.

  343. 343.

    Steeplejack

    June 13, 2017 at 10:15 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Your ded to me.

  344. 344.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 13, 2017 at 10:24 pm

    Refresh my memory here: Since last November, how many Democratic candidates endorsed by BS have won anything? I can only think of one – Heath Mello, who won the Democratic nomination for Mayor of Omaha (& then lost in the general to the Republican incumbent). Seems to me that a Wilmer endorsement has for the most part been the Kiss of Derp.

  345. 345.

    Barbara

    June 13, 2017 at 10:33 pm

    @lamh36: Say what? Douglas Wilder anyone? Virginia is a southern state with an awful legacy of segregation but it was one of the first — if not the first — states to elect an African American as lieutenant governor. I listened to the swearing in on the radio. It was conducted by Lewis Powell, who finished by saying that it was a great day for America. How could someone commenting on politics not know that?

  346. 346.

    Steeplejack

    June 13, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Yeah, I agree.

  347. 347.

    Steeplejack

    June 13, 2017 at 10:42 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Oh, hell, I don’t watch Greta at all. In fact, that promo spot she does now that I cannot avoid not only makes me never want to go to Martin’s Tavern, it has me thinking about quitting drinking entirely.

  348. 348.

    Corner Stone

    June 13, 2017 at 10:49 pm

    @Steeplejack: I don’t either 99% of the time. But the other day I woke up trapped on a couch in a soft blanket and she was on with awesome guest Gov Sununu (sp?). She let that motherfucker just spout off and lie for as long as it took me to unwind myself and find the remote.*
    *Full disclosure – coming out of a Boss Nap isn’t easy.

  349. 349.

    sukabi

    June 13, 2017 at 11:13 pm

    @Lizzy L: hmmmm, the “more money in the Senate version” is likely more money derived from bigger tax cuts for the wealthy.

  350. 350.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    June 13, 2017 at 11:15 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Full disclosure—coming out of a Boss Nap isn’t easy.

    [Burton Guster voice:] You know that’s right!

  351. 351.

    Shalimar

    June 14, 2017 at 1:06 am

    @sukabi: In this case, finding more money for healthcare could only happen by making the big tax cuts for the wealthy smaller. Since those tax cuts are their main motivation for pushing through the bill amidst overwhelming national disgust, they are not going to find any more money.

  352. 352.

    D58826

    June 14, 2017 at 8:08 am

    Watching the horrible videos of the fire in London. No one has mentioned the T word and I have absolutely no reason to think that it was anything other than an accidental fire. But if a person can use a pressure cooker, a car, a truck, or a hammer, why not arson? It’s not like it’s never been done for profit. Wasn’t the Honorable (caught cough) Cong Critter Issa involved in an arson scheme before he moved on to DC?

    Here you have a building with building code violations and a flammable curtain wall. Just jam open the elevator doors on a couple of floors (creates a drought and prevents use to escape) starting from the top of the building throw Molotov cocktails around the fire exits (also creates a drought and blocks escape routes), douse the outside wall will gasoline, drop a match and bingo you have a towering inferno.

  353. 353.

    D58826

    June 14, 2017 at 8:14 am

    Huffington and AP are reporting that a Congresscritter has been shot while playing baseball in No. Va. One report is there are three others shot as well and it was pickup baseball game involving GOP congressmen.

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