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Late-Night Conspiracy Theorists Open Thread: Where the Rubber Meets the Road

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One interesting thing, IMO, is that the Wingnut Wurlitzer grifters are getting agitated. (Kelly telling the WH hangers-on that they need to go through him seems to be an immediate irritant, but for some reason McMaster is getting the blowback.) There’s an old folk belief that you could tell an animal was really, really in poor health when its parasites started abandoning it…



And then there’s the very model of the modern “Alt-Light” social-media general…

… Like the proverbial rats that abandon the sinking ship, Cernovich has a history of re-branding himself when it’s expedient in futile attempts to obfuscate his past record of churning out conspiracy theories and racist and misogynistic comments. He went from libertarianism to identifying with the “alt-right,” only to pivot towards the “new right,” a made-up name for a “movement” that is substantially similar to the “alt-right,” but that decided to rebrand after media highlighted the original “alt-righter” Richard Spencer’s white nationalism. Spencer’s views were widely known long before Cernovich hitched his wagon to the “alt-right” though, leaving very little room to question his blatant opportunism. And while he’s — for now — the only one vocally pivoting away from Trump, other trolls have also started to express their frustration…

Gosh, it’s like Cernovich was only in it for the grift!

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  1. 1.

    randy khan

    I guess Mr. Posobiec doesn’t get that grand juries are the way that people get charged with federal crimes. Or he thinks that other people can be fooled. But I’m guessing it’s the first one.

  2. 2.

    Bobby Thomson

    The purpose of the grand jury is to put the squeeze on low level scumbags so that they will give up higher level scumbags. If you look at it day by day, it looks like the prosecutors are concerning themselves with picayune bullshit, and, if the smaller fish keep their mouths shut and even go to jail, that’s what you wind up with – which is why Republican tool Bob Woodward could get away with saying the Plame investigation was a waste of time. Regardless, in any case there is an introductory stage that seems very anticlimactic, and Posobiec is laying the groundwork for saying that this investigation also is a waste of time.

  3. 3.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    I just can’t deal with this anymore tonight. Whoever it was in the comments that turned me on to Football in the year 17776, G-d bless you. I’ve been going through it slowly and enjoying the hell out of it – just in time, since I’m giving up real football on account of brain damage. (Theirs. Not mine.)

  4. 4.

    dm

    We’re about to see what happens when a White House that runs on a culture of lying collides with a process where lying means jail time.

    It’s sad how much I like the sound of that.

  5. 5.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Posobiec’s comment is beyond stupid. He can ask John Dean about federal grand juries.

  6. 6.

    MisterForkbeard

    Good god, the level of delusion and insanity in the replies to the tweet Hannity referenced… and all it says is that McMaster thinks Susan Rice shouldn’t have her security clearance revoked.

    Somebody needs to tell these idiots that drinking bleach and eating paint isn’t helping their ability to think.

  7. 7.

    hellslittlestangel

    “My name is Trump, Jr — Donald Trump, Jr.”

    ……..

    No, I don’t think so.

  8. 8.

    jl

    Thanks for the heads up. I think I’ll follow Cernovich and Jones, they have the most entertainment value. Kind of like Robin Williams, Jonathan Winters and Richard Pryor team up for sketch comedy. I’m not sure which is which, they show so much promise, just can’t boil it down to two comics.

  9. 9.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    Our relationship with Russia is at an all-time & very dangerous low. You can thank Congress, the same people that can’t even give us HCare!

    They did give us healthcare. The Congress in 2009 with pretty much only Democratic votes, loser.

    Our relations with Russia are at an all-time low because a dictator installed you as his puppet.

  12. 12.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    Proboscis is clearly trying to rally his ignorant, low-information followers. The score (in football terms) is 49-0 with two minutes left and he’s on the sideline diagramming a 50-point play, hoping his team will go along.

  13. 13.

    Lahke

    Hi. AL, tried sending you the picture of the DC meet up, but I must have the wrong email address.

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    The fucking Karma Armadillo is on the prowl. Texas Ammosexuals, watch yer ass

    Texas man shoots armadillo, bullet ricochets back into his face
    Animal’s status unknown because authorities were unable to find itCass County Sheriff Larry Rowe said the man, who was not identified, went outside his home in Marietta, Texas, at around 3 a.m. local time Thursday morning. He spotted the armadillo on his property and opened fire.
    “His wife was in the house. He went outside and took his .38 revolver and shot three times at the armadillo,” Rowe said.

    given the time, I’m gonna guess a case or so of Lone Star was involved. Are armadillos notable garden pests? Did he fear for his wife’s safety?

  15. 15.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    CNN reported today that Carter Page has been under a FISA warrant since 2014.

    How is that a guy under a FISA warrant for working with the Russians ends up in the Trump campaign?

    How is it that the one retired General who is in the pay of the Russians ends up in the Trump campaign?

    How is a lobbyist in the pay of the Russians ends up running the Trump campaign?

    It can’t all be coincidence.

    You can’t ignore the feeling that Russia was telling Trump who to hire.

  16. 16.

    Honus

    Sol Wachtler went to prison for harassing his mistress. Before that, he was on the fast track for a SCOTUS seat via Bill Clinton.
    Full disclosure : we both went to W&L law.

  17. 17.

    Yarrow

    From that Hannity tweet:

    Does H.R. McMaster need to go?

    The fireMcMaster hashtag is one of the top trending hashtags from bots and trolls linked to Russia. Hannity has a habit of tweeting and promoting Russian propaganda on his shows. This is but one example.

  18. 18.

    Patricia Kayden

    Cernovich must have used the word “pivot” a million times. Ironic because Conservatives have probably given up on Trump pivoting by now. Anyone that thought Trump would magically transform into a decent human being and thus become Presidential was beyond naive. If anything, he’s getting worse.

    Mueller has so much to do.

  19. 19.

    NR

    Since when is it Donald Trump Jr.’s job to find Russian spies? Never mind, Alex Jones and reality aren’t exactly on speaking terms.

  23. 23.

    MisterForkbeard

    And hey, Sebastian Gorka just got fired! Huzzah!

    ETA: It only took them 7 months to fire a Nazi. And it’s sad, because I had to use “A Nazi” rather than “The Nazi” because there’s a few more still there. And even then, only because he couldn’t get a security clearance after trying to bring a gun onto a plane. >_<

  25. 25.

    MisterForkbeard

    @MisterForkbeard: Whoops. This looks like it might have been Crooks and Liars jumping the gun. Disregard – they failed to fire a nazi. :)

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, except I think I was wrong. Crooks and Liars issued a semi-retraction, saying their info was old and Gorka is still making appearances, so he’s still working for the White House.

  32. 32.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @Yarrow:

    You are correct.

    Regarding Hannity, why is he blathering on about Susan Rice? I can’t imagine the name truly ignites any meaningful fires in the RWNJ base. Sort of like ranting now about Falcon fourth quarter play calling. That ship done sailed.

  33. 33.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Yarrow:
    Armadillos do carry leprosy. That is why you should not pet wild armadillos. Leprosy is very hard to catch and they’re not spreading it to anything else, so unless you rub your hands all over it, a wild armadillo is no threat to you.

  34. 34.

    MisterForkbeard

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Nah. Susan Rice is part of the Pantheon of Benghazi, and is super extra blackity guilty.

    They have no idea WHY, but the conservative hive mind is convinced she’s a dangerous criminal and needs to be jailed or executed immediately. Saying something reasonable about her is grounds for immediate mouth-frothing and threats.

  40. 40.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Regarding Hannity, why is he blathering on about Susan Rice? I can’t imagine the name truly ignites any meaningful fires in the RWNJ base.

    Susan Rice did Benghazi with Talking Points, even before Hillary did it with emails, but after Obama did it with not calling it terrorism. Also, something about a movie. Susan Rice and Benghazi is where Sean Hanntiy and Lindsey Graham learn to love again, the not-so-good Senator has made noise about investigating her. Susan Rice unmasked somebody. That somebody was Michael Flynn, and “unmasking” is a nefarious-sounding term for a legitimate and necessary step people in the O administration took as the Russia investigation unfolds. Lindsey Graham knows this, but he also knows that if the Tea Baggers were willing to primary him (hence his TV ads about Benghazi in IIRC the summer of 2013), the Trump Baggers are dying to do it. And they probably won’t shy away from discussing his personal life. Loudly.

  41. 41.

    SFAW

    At what point does Mueller need to start looking over his shoulder for “cleaners” sent by Shitgibbon’s lord and master? Not that Putin would do anything untoward to keep his secrets (re: his US interference) safe, of course.

    Normally, I’d say my comment is getting into Alex Jones nutbag territory, but given how many potential witnesses seem to have had “heart attacks” or “lead poisoning,” one has to wonder.

  42. 42.

    Yarrow

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): @Frankensteinbeck: Glad to know I got that right! I have no plans to get up close and personal with an armadillo but appreciate the info.

    As for Susan Rice, she’s guilty because BENGHAZI! Probably a sizable percentage of the people screaming for her to be investigated couldn’t tell you any real facts about any of that but her name alone is enough to get them frothing at the mouth.

  43. 43.

    different-church-lady

    @SFAW:

    At what point does Mueller need to start looking over his shoulder for “cleaners” sent by Shitgibbon’s lord and master?

    About ten weeks ago.

  44. 44.

    SFAW

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    Regarding Hannity, why is he blathering on about Susan Rice?

    You’re asking why “The Stupidest Man on TV” is acting like, um, The Stupidest Man on TV?

    I’ve said more than once: if you got Hannity, Louie Gohmert, and Jim Hoft within a certain critical distance of each other, a Black Hole of Stupid would be created, and would suck any intelligent thought within 3 AUs into it.

    OK, so I haven’t said it even once (before now). But still …

  46. 46.

    Mary G

    Voice of sanity and restraint:

    Not sure why all the hyperventilating re: Russia grand jury. Mueller hired 16 prosecutors. Of course there would be GJ. This will take time.— Preet Bharara (@PreetBharara) August 4, 2017

    Digging out of the Trump mess. if we can do it, will be a long term program. More like a series of marathons than one sprint.

  47. 47.

    Mike J

    @Yarrow:

    Aren’t armadillos known for carrying leprosy or am I mixing them up with some other animal?

    The only animal other than man than can carry Hansen’s Disease. Mmmm-bop.

  48. 48.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Yeah, douchebro Ryan made his bones as Tucker Max’s PR person, and did a tell-all on his exploits in gaming the media before becoming a pretentious-as-fuck Tim Ferriss-style Stoic. Was fairly anti-Trump, and frequently interviews “media manipulators” who are often alt-right (which Ryan ostensibly opposes) – however the vibe I invariably get from these bits are far less “this is so the press develops antibodies” than “lol we’re so SMRT;” I thoroughly enjoyed HamNo & Irin Carmon pointing out he was just a douchebag.

  51. 51.

    BBA

    Grand juries are a colossal waste of time, and if it were possible to amend the constitution I’d call eliminating them one of the more obvious changes to make.

    That said, holy shit, Mueller’s gotta have something on somebody to be calling them this soon.

  53. 53.

    GregB

    Best I can glean. The recently shit canned Cohen-Watnick put shitheel deluxe Devin Nunes on Rice’s case for her purported unmasking of certain scumbags in Trump world.

    McMasters just cleared her of that.

    So they are both set iupon by the troll army.

  55. 55.

    Mike J

    @BBA:

    That said, holy shit, Mueller’s gotta have something on somebody to be calling them this soon.

    He has a desire to issue subpoenas and can’t do it without a grand jury.

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    Y’ALL,
    Comey was about that life when it comes to Black Professional Sensibilities…
    He told TEN people about his encounters with Dolt45!

  57. 57.

    SFAW

    @BBA:

    I wasn’t aware there was a Basingstoke in Westphalia…

    Few persons are. And most people don’t know the proper lyrics to “Anything Goes.”

  59. 59.

    TriassicSands

    I want to make it clear that I am not a fan of Donald Trump and all the pro-Trump comments I’ve made in the past, like the fact that Trump is the stupidest POS alive and the most loathsome creature on the planet, are no longer “operative.”*

    We now have evidence that there might be at least one person in thr Chump administration with some integrity — McMaster. Of course, now that he is on the record as saying that arch-criminal and all-around evil-doer and traitor Susan Rice did nothing wrong, Trump simply must find a way to fire him. The president can’t have anyone tainted by integrity in the administration. It’s just one more bit of evidence that Trump is not a good judge of people.

    *I just wanted an excuse to call Trump loathsome and a stupid POS.

  60. 60.

    JWR

    @Anne Laurie:

    (or use Alain’s ‘Contact A Front Pager’ button).

    I can attest from personal experience, (at least with Alain, but I suspect with other front pagers as well), that this is an invaluable tool. If you need it, use it!

    I’ll go back to my oh so pleasant late-night reading now.

  61. 61.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Honus:

    Sol Wachtler went to prison for harassing his mistress. Before that, he was on the fast track for a SCOTUS seat via Bill Clinton.
    Full disclosure : we both went to W&L law.

    I only went there undergrad so I’m not implicated in your scandal!

  62. 62.

    Ithink

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yet another Texas Tailgunner too anti-nvironmentalist and/or ignorant of government law to know that that is OUR STATE ANIMAL AND THEY’RE ILLEGAL TO KILL AS SUCH.

    Yeah, they’re a (royal) pain in the ass as they turn our front & back yards into a Vietnam war field searching for grub worms, but its all good. They’re our #1 roadkill resource for being a slower and more half-deaf/half-blind mammal!

  63. 63.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Bobby Thomson: eh, I was always told a Grand Jury is so the prosecutor has to prove there is evidence a crime and not just he getting is jollies harassing people.

  64. 64.

    westyny

    So, is fresh hell breaking loose in the WH tonight, or have they known all along and it’s just your ordinary, quotidian chaos? How long does Kelly last (endure) if the the sh%t blizzard cranks up to a Category 6?

  65. 65.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @MisterForkbeard:

    They have no idea WHY, but the conservative hive mind is convinced she’s a dangerous criminal and needs to be jailed or executed immediately. Saying something reasonable about her is grounds for immediate mouth-frothing and threats.

    Try this one on the next wingnut you meet

    “I think your’ animus to Susan Rice is the result of a deep cosmopolitan bias on your part”

    That should get some amusing rants.

  67. 67.

    dm

    With the news that Trump is doing homework to stay on Kelly’s good side, I am developing this theory that Kelly is a stand-in for the father that Trump never managed to impress, and Trump is eager for another chance.

    Probably a kind of wishful thinking.

  68. 68.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): To be perfectly frank, I am absolutely clueless as to what SFAW is talking about.

    For the record: Hamilton Nolan dissed Ryan in both one of Gawker’s “Least Important Writers” installments and an article on a piece Holiday wrote for ThoughtCatalog, albeit in fairly dismissive and unimpressive ways. Irin Carmon, a Jezebel alum targeted in his book Trust Me, I’m Lying, fired back at Ryan in a Salon column, where she called him a cynical Sorkinesque smarmhound and showed factual errors in his account of her Jon Stewart story. In light of these Mr. Holiday brushed off Nolan as a self-interested hater and reflected on Carmon’s response in a mature –

    – wait, no, that’s not what he did. Instead he went on a muiltiyear butthurt campaign against Gawker that had him calling it THE WORSTEST MOST EVILEST JOURNALISTIC OUTFIT EVAH (Rwanda, Hearst and the U.K. say. “Hi,”) and when called out on it by Jake Tapper on Twitter said that at least old-timey yellow-journalist publications gave people JERBS. Which is sub-Trumpian-levels of thin-skinned, but also makes me think that he knows Carmon & Nolan have him dead to rights.

    He was also Dov Charney’s PR flack, and wrote arguably the worst Cosby apologia to see light in a major publication not written by James Taranto.

  71. 71.

    Bobby Thomson

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    I was always told a Grand Jury is so the prosecutor has to prove there is evidence a crime and not just he getting is jollies harassing people.

    I didn’t say otherwise. People just have unrealistic expectations and don’t realize the grand jury isn’t being asked to indict Trump, both because he is immune until impeached (Ken Starr’s analysis was politically motivated and inaccurate) and because that’s not how these things work. And when things roll out in the methodical way I think they will a lot of people will start panicking on one side and mocking on the other.

    Patience.

  72. 72.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @dm:

    Since the guy is a complete case study in every psychological dysfunction in existence, daddy issues is definitely one of them. The only way Kelly leaves at this point is if he quits because the manbaby’s insanity is too toxic, and if he quits, it will signal the end of the road for any pretense that Trump can stay president and it’s 25th amendment time.

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