Another reminder that Fox News is not only a wingnut propaganda outfit that actively makes America dumber with every broadcast, it’s a hive of gross, entitled swine who use their power to harass female colleagues:
A Fox News spokesperson says they’re investigating the matter. Yeah, sure.
Fox News was founded by serial groper Roger Ailes, who took a dirt nap shortly after being ousted from his perch as network boss for sexual harassment. Fox News put up with O’Reilly’s revolting antics until the settlement payouts topped out at $13M-plus. Bolling is just the latest Fox News phone-fapper to be publicly outed.
But while it is horrifying that a prominent cable news network operates like a sleazy frat house populated entirely by giggling Martin Shkreli clones, it’s not surprising. The Fox News aesthetic was designed to appeal to leering old men from day one. It’s essentially an electronic Hooters where the servers read bubble-reinforcing propaganda from teleprompters instead of slinging greasy chicken wings and shitty beer at ass-slapping patrons.
Bolling is probably safe. After all, Fox News viewers elected a leering sexual assaulter as president. Why should Bolling be held to a higher standard than the president? It’s not like Fox News is NBC.
Open thread.
germy
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Fox News job interview:
“Who do you see yourself harassing 5 years from now?”
Baud
I should have become a pervert expert. I’d have a job for life.
Big Ole Hound
Must be a job requirement for FOX on screen men. I think the statue of limitations has run out on this asshole unless of course he is still is showing his gray pubes.
Yarrow
Roger Ailes’ own description of Fox, from Joan Walsh’s only meeting with him:
Roger Moore
I do like some of the comments I’ve seen on Twitter: does that shit even work? Because it makes no sense to me that a woman who has no interest in you is suddenly going to change her mind when she sees a picture of your junk.
rikyrah
Like attracts like. They are scum??
cope
I compare Fox News to fraternities on a campus…it’s good to have around so that we know where all the assholes are (no offense intended to non-asshole fraternity members).
schrodingers_cat
@Roger Moore: It would be a turn off even if you are mildly interested in someone and boom they sent you this crap.
bemused
@Roger Moore:
There aren’t many women that would suddenly be interested in a guy when he sent her pics of his junk. Really, it’s no different than some guy flashing/dropping his pants to unsuspecting women in a park or on a street. What is that weird, creepy compulsion all about anyway? An urge to shock, scare or demean women?
Baud
@Roger Moore: Like email scammers, you only need a tiny fraction of recipients to respond positively.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Can somebody tell me what would make somebody send a shot of their dick to some woman? āCause I really, truly donāt understand this. Not only have I never done this, I’ve never even thought about doing it. For fuck’s sake, I’ve never even taken a picture of my dick for my own self. Shit. I know what it looks like. I’ve seen it every day of my life. Who needs a picture of their dick? Are they that insecure? What’s wrong with these people [sic]? Can’t they all just go take dirt naps with Roger Ailes?
PaulWartenberg
https://twitter.com/PaulWartenberg/status/893787933861445632
dmsilev
@Baud: Now I’m imagining a Nigerian prince emailing people asking for help in moving dick picks out of his country.
Frank McCormick
As the kids today say: “Sick burn!”
Nice job Betty!
Shell
Whenever anybody whines that “Just let Trump be Trump”, you wanna ask, you mean like that?
Cheryl Rofer
@Roger Moore: There was a discussion among women about this tactic. The consensus was
JUST DON’T
Major Major Major Major
Well, I’m off to the Denver art museum & LoDo. Haven’t been in years, anybody got tips?
@Roger Moore: @Cheryl Rofer: Some gay guys seem to like it.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major:
Don’t send dick pics.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: what if I’m talking to one of the aforementioned gay guys?
Baud
@Cheryl Rofer: Did anyone take the pro side?
Lurking Canadian
@bemused: Yeah, it’s basically just e-flashing. The world contains multitudes: it is possible that at least once the tactic of sending an unsolicited dick picture to a woman succeeded in attracting her interest, but it’s not the way to bet.
OzarkHillbilly
@Major Major Major Major:
I hear the dickpic gallery is…. less than advertised..
jacy
@Roger Moore:
It’s a voyeuristic thrill. The act of sending the pics is the thing that turns them on. They don’t expect anything to come of it. In other words, sending the pics isn’t a means to an end, it IS the end.
MattF
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I guess it’s a form of aggression.
JanieM
A long time ago the daughter of an acquaintance of mine was being … pursued … by a boy in her high school freshman class. He would send her notes — the most memorable quote I remember is: “I want to fuck you — hard.” This, when she had already tried to make it perfectly clear that she didn’t want anything to do with him, never mind that.
If there had been smartphones in those days he might have been sending her dick pics. But he was fourteen, so maybe he actually grew up in the end.
Some people never grow up and realize that other people are both “other” and “real” and not the phantasms that run around in their own heads.
This is my explanation for why they do it. The phantasms in their own twisted heads like it, so the women out in the world surely will as well.
ETA: and/or what Jacy said.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: I say go for it.
Tenar Arha
@Roger Moore: My thinking on it is that anyone who’d send an unsolicited dick pick, is confirming they’re going to probably be terrible because they literally can’t pick up social or sexual cues either from phone call or writing or in person interactions.
Cheryl Rofer
@Baud: I cannot recall a single woman whose reaction was more positive than “EWWWWWW”
Roger Moore
@Baud:
It also requires a culture of impunity. That kind of low-probability, high-reward thing only works if the consequences for failure are negligible. If there’s any chance the target will go to HR and they’ll actually do something about it, this turns out to be a really lousy strategy. It’s clear there was a culture of impunity for harassers at Fox that gave them the justified belief they could get away with it.
El Caganer
What? Nobody has posted the Fox News theme music yet?
https://youtu.be/P7gMkiOPSeA
hellslittlestangel
“When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything,”
Baud
@Roger Moore: Yes, agreed.
Baud
@hellslittlestangel: You win. Perfect.
Lurking Canadian
@JanieM: Failure of imagination, too. Your average teenaged boy would probably be very happy to receive unsolicited naked pictures from his female classmates. You need a bit of ability to put yourself into someone else’s shoes to appreciate that those classmates might see the matter differently.
But that’s kids. For adults in a workplace: just plain wrong
Suzanne
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
For me, and for most women, I suspect, dicks are very form-follows-function. They’re not exciting on their own, and certainly not just to look at. The ultra-zoomed-in dick-pic……WHY? It’s more about how it is used, uh, to what end.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: But is it art?
Jay C
And speaking of dicks:
the Big Orange One in the WH looks like he is going to be getting his way on another disgusting front:
Trump ban on transgender military goes to DoD
Unfortunately unable to leave the issue go at just another idiotic Presidential tweet, it seems like the WH are (finally) and disgustingly, following formal protocols, and sending Trump’s diktat about transgender people in the military off to the Defense Department for implementation.
And it’s unclear what, if anything, can be done about it.
Baud
@Suzanne: Good advice. Next dick pic I send will be a urinal shot.
NotMax
Missed this the other day – yet another reason to frown at Brown.
Brachiator
I will slam Fox News all day, every day. But while never a big patron. I got no problem with Hooters. The chicken wings were not that bad, and as far as I’m concerned, all beer is shitty. Patrons didn’t slap ass, cause that would be a crime.
That said, yeah, I’m not surprised that a “news” organization that turned blonde white women into fetish totems would have a huge problem with this crap, especially since the boss was one of the worst offenders.
A Ghost to Most
Eric Bolling on A. Weiner’s peckerdillo
Eta: Fuck autocorrect
Suzanne
@Baud:
SPLASH.
Major Major Major Major
@Jay C: That made me very sad, and I 100% blame Gen. Kelly.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: And if it’s modern art, can you even tell whether it’s a dick?
MomSense
I would love to hear the jackals take on this interview with Maggie Haberman.
Longform podcast interview with Maggie Haberman
Major Major Major Major
@Suzanne: We have one of those in ads in San Francisco. It’s a picture of a bathroom at Alcatraz juxtaposed with a picture of Duchamp’s urinal, and the caption is “See both. Alcatraz/SFMOMA.”
Baud
@Jay C: Congress would have to pass a law.
Lurking Canadian
@Major Major Major Major: That’s an ad I suspect Duchamp himself would appreciate.
Roger Moore
@jacy:
I can understand some people get an exhibitionist thrill from showing unsuspecting people their bodies, but I think there’s more in this case. Most flashers do so anonymously, at least in the sense that they try to pick targets who don’t know them. Targeting somebody the perpetrator knows, especially when there’s supposed to be a mechanism in place for them to report this kind of misbehavior, has an element of intimidation. The perpetrator is proving that the official channels for recourse aren’t working, hoping to intimidate their victim into giving in when the harassment proceeds to the next level.
Capri
@Lurking Canadian: When I’ve asked the men in my life that is what they say. They would love it if a women they just met sent them boob pictures, so in their minds they are just returning the favor. It’s also really common. I’ve read some blogs by folks in HR for big companies. Dealing with dick pic senders is a constant in their line of work.
Mary G
I’m happy that I’m old enough to not be the target audience for these kinds of things.
NotMax
@Baud
Lewd Descending a Staircase.
Suzanne
@Baud: Now THERE’S an idea…..insist on dick PAINTINGS.
That is a genre I could get into.
Betty Cracker
@Brachiator: I know a woman who used to work at Hooters. She tells a different story.
Roger Moore
@Lurking Canadian:
I think that’s less true than stereotypes would have us believe. At the very least, most of those teenaged boys would discover they did not enjoy it if a girl they were completely uninterested in kept aggressively coming on to them and wouldn’t take no for an answer. I suppose they’d probably share any naked pictures they received with their friends, but quite possibly as much as a way of getting revenge as anything.
bemused
@Lurking Canadian:
The creeps have to know that majority of women would be turned off by their junk pics so the goal can’t be actually get women to date them. They must want them to be turned off and disgusted.
Iowa Old Lady
Sending a dick pic is a power move, not a seductive one. It’s a way to shove it in a woman’s face.
ETA: What Roger said at #50.
Mel
@Major Major Major Major: The exhibit of modern Japanese ceramics is supposed to be excellent.
Also, I there was an exhibit of rocking chairs of various sorts that make music when rocked. Not sure if the chair exhibit is still there, but it got high marks from a gallery owning friend and her grandson!
Roger Moore
@Mary G:
If that’s true, it’s only because too few men your age have smartphones and working libidos. I don’t think it’s because they’re all grown up enough to know better.
Splitting Image
I’ll have to defend Hooters here. The admittedly-small number of women I’ve heard describe working there have said that the likelihood of harassment isn’t really much higher than any other restaurant. Potential ass-slappers might find the idea of Hooters titillating, but when they get there it seems to dawn on them that food servers have several gross ways of retaliating that aren’t available to other women. The waitresses also deal with hundreds of men every day who don’t bother them, so when one manbaby eventually does, it’s harder for him to get away with arguing that he’s “just being a guy”.
On the knuckle-dragging scale, Fox News is actually several steps down from Hooters. Of course, so is Donald Trump, since Hooters girls have to be old enough to serve liquor. Donny prefers a younger crowd.
Brachiator
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
Men like to see pictures of naked women. Stupid men assume, hope, fantasize that women want to see naked men. The Internets and smartphones allows men with bad impulse control to indulge their fantasy. Some of these dopes might have been flashers in the old days.
And because the Internets make it easier for like minded people to find one another, the women who like or don’t mind dick picks can satisfy their desires as well.
Anybody see the documentary on Anthony Weiner. A sad, stupid man. But his exhibitionism was part of his sexting strategy. He clearly has a compulsion to expose himself and would look for women who would indulge him. And he clearly would engage in behavior that was criminal.
Suzanne
@Capri:
True story from my former company: The birthday of one of the IT guys was coming up, so one of his teammates wrote an email asking the guy’s teammates what they should do for his birthday. But instead of sending the email to just his team, he sent it to everyone in the company (except for the birthday boy). So then another teammate REPLIED ALL, and wrote, “We should get him a dildo so he can go fuck himself”. AND THEN like three other teammates responded with “LAWL” or something. And all of these emails went out to like 300 people.
AND one of the dudes who chimed in to laugh is married to the head of HR of that company. I cannot even imagine the dinner table conversation that evening.
Baud
The dick telegram was so much classier. #GoodOldDays
NotMax
@Baud
Pompeii. #GoodAncientDays
Gin & Tonic
@NotMax: Phew. For a moment there I thought you were criticizing a local university.
Lurking Canadian
@Baud: ASCII art didn’t have high enough resolution.
M31
@Baud:
HEY THERE TROLLOP STOP HAVE A GANDER AT MY MANHOOD STOP IS IT NOT A FINE SPECIMEN FULLSTOP
NotMax
Breaking: Islamic center in Minnesota firebombed.
Gin & Tonic
@Baud: I see what you mean.
zhena gogolia
@Baud:
I know somebody who went to HR at a vitamins-and-supplements store about such an incident, and the guy was out within the month. Fox has lower standards than [unnamed supplement company].
jacy
@Roger Moore: a element of danger — that they could get in “trouble” — makes it more exciting.
Roger Moore
@Lurking Canadian:
What, 8==D~ isn’t good enough for you?
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
Makes sense.
Obviously, there are joints that pressure women employees to put up with behavior from customers that is demeaning or even criminal. There are other places, including some Hooters, that not only discourage bad behavior, but might break a guy’s hand, kick his ass and toss him out the back door.
Mandarama
My sister and I have always thought that OF COURSE Hooters is a perfectly fine, family-oriented establishment. And we can prove it with our new restaurant filling a long-standing business void: Peckers! We will have a cartoon woodpecker as our mascot, and we will hire vigorously healthy young men only. Their strength and appearance is just part of our youthful appeal! They can wear comfortable Lycra biking shorts and UnderArmour shirts as a uniform. Our primary menu items will be hotdogs and brats, with choices from the “Little Weenie” to the “Whole Package.” We figure that will be a good appeal to families with kids, who usually love hotdogs.
We are open to new ideas AND investors.
*No dick pics from applicants, though, because we have Class.
Sister Golden Bear
@Roger Moore, @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
It’s much more about dominating women, whether the posters are fully conscious of it or not.
I.e. “I’m gonna make those bitches (who won’t date me, even though I’m entitled to) see my wonder-dick whether they want to or not.”
It’s a similar dynamic to how “Gumme a smile” so quickly turns into “Smile bitch!” when I’m out in the street.
p.a.
Any cave art dickpics? Paleolithic legacy: From genital decoration to penile mutilation
ETA: Male members are all like the children of Lake Wobegon
Major Major Major Major
@Mandarama: I am fine with this.
germy
@Mandarama: Nutters – The Theme Restaurant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYBA1GQf5WQ
Roger Moore
@p.a.:
It’s not precisely cave art, but I did see this wonderful “anatomically correct man” petroglyph.
Suzanne
@Mandarama:
Filling a void. I see what you did there.
Major Major Major Major
@p.a.: @Roger Moore: let’s not leave out the Cerne Abbas Giant.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Betty Cracker: The beer’s not shitty?
zhena gogolia
@Major Major Major Major:
Of course you are! lol
Robert Sneddon
A friend had a clock featuring an image of the Cerne Abbas Giant with a risible second hand. Well, not a hand as such, more an “indicator”.
Wapiti
A couple years back I had jury duty. Some loser busted for public exposure, wanking while watching the women in a drive-up/walk-up latte stand.
I don’t see much difference between the two cases, just that this one still needs to be proven.
Mandarama
@germy: Well, damn, there’s nothing new under the sun. ?
Jon Glaser was hilarious in that skit. He’ll always be Jeremy Jamm to me!
Mandarama
@Major Major Major Major: Haha! We needed you when our targeted demographic research was a fail.
Quinerly
I left the vile clip of Dershowitz on a thread yesterday. Glad to see that Joy Reid’s panel called it what it was…race baiting: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/am-joy-panel-destroys-race-baiting-lawyer-alan-dershowitz-for-attacking-diversity-of-trump-grand-jury/
Quinerly
Stephen Miller replacing the Mooch?: https://www.axios.com/who-will-be-trumps-communications-director-after-mooch-stephen-miller-2469535517.html
Major Major Major Major
@Mandarama: I guess you didn’t ask many gay guys.
Another Scott
@Roger Moore: I’ve only seen pictures, but there’s a famous one in England – Cerne Abbas Giant.
[ Late again… ]
Cheers,
Scott.
sharl
A long time ago I heard an interview – I’m thinking it was probably This American Life – with a pimp, who described how he brought young women “into the business”. He basically said that he would offer a woman so much money to do one of his friends in the bedroom, and if she accepted, it was usually pretty easy to take it from there.
I assume a similar dynamic is in play here. In Ailes’ case, even he had to be aware that his junk was not a thing of beauty, even if he could only view it in a full-length mirror (one woman’s description used the phrase “raw hamburger”…blech). But if a woman agreed to do…whatever…when being presented with the horrible organ, he would know he basically owned her services for some time to come. If and when her services became unnecessary or inconvenient, well that would be matter for HR and Legal to deal with. Bolling is a smaller fish, and with Daddy Roger now feeding the worms and Rupert’s kids apparently in charge, his continued employment may not be so certain, though I’m sure he’d get a fine buy-out (though certainly not as good as Bill O’Reilly’s).
A Ghost to Most
Prop 108 would then allow Russpublicans to ratfuck the Dem primary.
those fucking people
Mike G
@Tara the Antisocial Social Worker:
Fox News job interview:
“So, have you ever sexually harassed anyone? If not, are you willing to learn?”
sm*t cl*de
@Major Major Major Major:
anybody got tips?
That would be too much information.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
He’s denied any “unsolicited” communications of that nature….
No Drought No More
Also, And Lest we Forget: Before being busted by law enforcement, hillbilly heroin addict Rush Limbaugh had cruelly mocked Jerry Garcia in the immediate aftermath of that wonderful musician’s death, on account of his well known struggle with drug addiction. Needless to say Limbaugh has never seen fit to apologize, and never will. It’s not in him. He’s bad guy, the pied piper of America’s birdbrains, and a wretched excuse of a human being. He’s a typical republican, too, and what he shovels on a daily basis is more offensive than any dick-pics anyone might share..
jl
Pix of whose dick? Bolling has a dick? Really? Ha, I’m not falling for that. Fake News!
JPL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Let me guess… It didn’t happen, and if it did I don’t remember it happening. Now he’s saying he never sent “unsolicited” communication.
No wonder why he is such a fan of the president.
Mnemosyne
@Brachiator:
I suspect that the atmosphere of a Hooters in California, where we have very strict workplace harassment laws and a manager could be fired for allowing customers to harass the waitresses, is very different from places like, say, Texas, which have very few workplace protections.
I had two (female) friends who lived in Texas in the 90s who used to eat at Hooters because the wings were good and dirt cheap, and the waitresses gave them great service because they were so glad to escape an ass-pinching at at least one table.
Barry
@Roger Moore:
“I do like some of the comments Iāve seen on Twitter: does that shit even work? Because it makes no sense to me that a woman who has no interest in you is suddenly going to change her mind when she sees a picture of your junk.”
‘Work’ in the sense that you get to make her look at the pictures, and she can’t do squat about it.
SiubhanDuinne
NPR is reporting that Fox News has suspended Eric Bolling.
Is our foxes learning?
Sunny raines
fox news is of, by, and for puny white men. That is their business plan. They will never change. Inexcusable that a woman would take a job there.
"Guess who?"
Oh, yeah? Well, all the ladies want to see pictures of MY dick, because I have the best dick, I can tell you that!