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You are here: Home / Nature & Respite / Birdwatching / Look at the Birdy (Open Thread)

Look at the Birdy (Open Thread)

by Betty Cracker|  September 19, 20176:06 pm| 252 Comments

This post is in: Birdwatching, Open Threads, Assholes, General Stupidity

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This mockingbird rested briefly on my wrecked banana trees earlier:

She looks weary but determined, which is why I assume she’s a “she.”

Horrible news out of Mexico City. I hope, unlike last time, Twitler is able to scare up a satellite phone to communicate with Mexico’s president before several days elapse. Or not. Mexico’s president has enough on his plate without adding an unnatural disaster.

Anyhoo, open thread.

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252Comments

  1. 1.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    Are we great again yet?

  2. 2.

    ArchTeryx

    September 19, 2017 at 6:09 pm

    @Baud: Too many black and brown people still alive and undeported. We’ll be great again when they’re all gone, along with all the weaklings and poor people.

    Then, and only then, will our Thousand Year Reich will start.

  3. 3.

    Yutsano

    September 19, 2017 at 6:09 pm

    I have friends in México but not in the city, but I haven’t heard from them since the earthquake hit. They’re in Monterrey so they should be fine but a ping would be nice. It’s also possible communications are a total mishegas because of it. Will keep y’all updated.

  4. 4.

    khead

    September 19, 2017 at 6:09 pm

    Mockingbird?

    Sorry, had to be done.

  5. 5.

    A Ghost to Not

    September 19, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    I miss mockingbirds, but I really miss cardinals.

    Thanks for the pic.

  6. 6.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    September 19, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    can you imagine being this parodically white

  7. 7.

    Elizabelle

    September 19, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    I approve of that mockingbird. Beautiful little winged creature.

    Only the best to Mexico City and its surroundings.

  8. 8.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 19, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): FWIW I have put raw eggs in my hair, they make a very good conditioner, very rich.

  9. 9.

    guachi

    September 19, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):

    The author of the article was, of course, black.

  10. 10.

    ArchTeryx

    September 19, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    And amidst all the horror, I do love that mocker picture. Mockingbirds don’t take crap from anyone – I’ve seen video of them turning grizzly bears away from their nest. Their relatives, the Brown Thrasher and the Grey Catbird, are similarly pugnacious around their nests.

    A while ago, I made the mistake of sticking my head into a peeping bush while out with a friend, and 4 Grey Catbird fledges exploded out of it, along with the parents. I had to collect the fledges before they ran out onto a nearby busy road, all while the parents are going absolutely apeshit and actually scratching my scalp, so hard did they dive on me.

    My fiancee has since told me ‘the next time you stick your head in a bush, you better be dating it!’

  11. 11.

    khead

    September 19, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):

    REAL WHITE FOLKS woulda used some Hidden Valley Ranch.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    Why don’t the arrow buttons work on my Android phone?

    I blame Nancy Pelosi.

  13. 13.

    Betty Cracker

    September 19, 2017 at 6:21 pm

    @Baud: They work fine on my iPhone. Just saying!

  14. 14.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 19, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    @Baud: Big blog has sold out to Apple.
    @Betty Cracker: I knew it.

  15. 15.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    September 19, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    @Baud: And not the Cubs?

  16. 16.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I just upgraded my ipad to ios 11. Not overwhelmed. I have a work iphone that also didn’t overwhelm me. I’ll probably stick with Android because of price.

  17. 17.

    NotMax

    September 19, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    Open prissy pedant.

    Not trees, banana plants are giant evergreen perennial flowering herbs.

    Close prissy pedant.

    And the fruit itself is naturally very slightly radioactive.

  18. 18.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @ArchTeryx:

    My fiancee …

    Are congratulations in order? :-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  19. 19.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 19, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    7.1 aint no fucking joke.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: This blog doesn’t work well enough to be associated with Apple. #ItJustDoesn’tWork

  21. 21.

    ArchTeryx

    September 19, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    @Another Scott: Awww. I proposed all the way back in July 2016 and was accepted then. I’ve known the lady for 10+ years – we haven’t gotten married only because of an utter lack of money and jobs in different cities. Once we get into the same city marriage will follow almost immediately.

    My family for the most part is flat-out poor, save for certain Republicans which would rather eat their own tailfeathers then give anything to us. Her family is just as poor save for one rich aunt, who also wouldn’t lift a finger to help her move away from a sociopathic landlady.

    No money, different parts of the country, marriage is kinda difficult, but I digress.

  22. 22.

    West of the Cascades

    September 19, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    WTF is wrong with the New York Times? Not a single story on the front page of their website about the Cassidy-Graham Take Away Health Care from 25 Million Bill. I see they have a decent editorial, but it’s a more consequential news story than “Harvey and Irma Wiped Out Our Kitchens. Still We Cook” or “Making Mother! the Year’s Most Divisive Film.”

  23. 23.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    @ArchTeryx: Thanks.

    I know you’ve been through many trials and tribulations, and that things have finally been looking up a little.

    Here’s hoping that you both can get together soon.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  24. 24.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    @ArchTeryx: Congrats belatedly.

  25. 25.

    Ohio Mom

    September 19, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    @Baud: The up/down buttons haven’t worked on my IPhone in ages. Not a big enough deal for me to complain. Instead
    I remain grateful that I’ve never heard those loud auto play ads other people complain about.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    @West of the Cascades:

    WTF is wrong with the New York Times?

    1. They are garbage.
    2. See #1.

  27. 27.

    Felonius Monk

    September 19, 2017 at 6:30 pm

    I hope, unlike last time, Twitler is able to scare up a satellite phone to communicate with Mexico’s president

    Jeez, Betty, give the President and people of Mexico a break. The last thing they need is a phone call from Trump.

  28. 28.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    September 19, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    @Baud: If we’re not going to have threaded comments, the least we can do is have the pie filter function like Disqus blocking.

  29. 29.

    ArchTeryx

    September 19, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    @Another Scott: @Baud: Thank you both. :-) It’s been very rough for both of us, but we’ve had each other through it all.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    @Ohio Mom: I also did not hear the ads. Not sure why.

  31. 31.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 19, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    I have a great affection for mockingbirds.

    @ArchTeryx:
    Huge congratulations! I’m happy for both of you.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): I don’t use the pie filter. How is disqus different than what we have.

  33. 33.

    West of the Cascades

    September 19, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    @Baud: Sigh – I don’t know why I keep hoping for something better.

  34. 34.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 19, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    I believe he did send a tweet of support.

    Well, actually, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t him. The way it read was much more like a staffer flunky assigned to handle the POTUS Twitter account rather than anything genuine from the Twitler his own self.

  35. 35.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    Was she singing?

  36. 36.

    ArchTeryx

    September 19, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    I do wish that I wasn’t so pessimistic about Graham-Cassidy. I was just as pessimistic on skinny repeal, about Obamacare’s chances after Trump was elected, about whether or not I’d be cast out to die. So far I’ve been proven wrong on every count, and the fact that I am WILLING TO ADMIT that I’ve been proven wrong makes me better then pundits that get paid 1000x what I make. So there is that at least.

  37. 37.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 19, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):

    White people, mayonnaise? How could they tell?

  38. 38.

    Felonius Monk

    September 19, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @Baud: They work on my Android phone.

  39. 39.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @ArchTeryx: Hard to know? Who could have predicted what McCain did last time?

  40. 40.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @Baud:

    As a loyal Apple, I think you might not want to be too noisy about that. You may need every vote you can get.

  41. 41.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    @Felonius Monk: Weird. I’ll have to play around to see what’s going on.

  42. 42.

    Lapassionara

    September 19, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: there is no chance of Trump doing anything genuine.

  43. 43.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    September 19, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    @Baud: Once a user is blocked, their text is replaced with “this user is blocked,” with no way to see/respond to the blockee’s comments. (And it only effects the blockee’s comments). I figure the lack of threading will make tools much easier to ignore.

  44. 44.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    @debbie: I have one of every tech. I’ve got my bases covered.

  45. 45.

    Betty Cracker

    September 19, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Saw that and made the same assumption: It was a staffer who dreaded having to cover another “dog ate my homework” excuse like last time. ?

  46. 46.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 19, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @Baud: Was kidding Mahatma Baud.

  47. 47.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    They work sporadically on my iPad mini.

  48. 48.

    Felonius Monk

    September 19, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    The way it read was much more like a staffer flunky assigned to handle the POTUS Twitter account rather than anything genuine from the Twitler his own self.

    You are probably correct. If it had been from the Twitler-in-Chief, it would also have demanded that Mexico pay for the Wall.

  49. 49.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    My buttons are working again. I wish I knew what I did.

  50. 50.

    Mary G

    September 19, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: If that perfectly appropriate tweet didn’t come from Kelly’s assistant, I’ll eat my hat.

    Tomorrow I am going to try this Indivisible tool that hooks up blue staters with progressives in red states to ask them to talk to their senators against Graham-Cassidy and connects them directly with the senators office.

  51. 51.

    ArchTeryx

    September 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    @Baud: I certainly didn’t. However the “Republicans always fall in line” trope is evergreen, and it’s been hauled out on all quarters after Graham-Cassidy came out. Will it be right this time? I just don’t know.

  52. 52.

    Betty Cracker

    September 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    @debbie: Not while hanging out in my bananas, but we have some genius mockingbirds around here.

  53. 53.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Feeling un-Mahatma-like recently.

  54. 54.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    @Baud:

    Excellent.

  55. 55.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 19, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    @Baud:

    How is disqus different than what we have.

    Disqus is garbage.

  56. 56.

    NotMax

    September 19, 2017 at 6:44 pm

    @Felonius Monk

    The ‘Obama has a magic weather machine’ nutjobs are now in positions of authority.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    They started using that at LGM, where I only lurk. Not a fan.

  58. 58.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    September 19, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    Enjoy my edit of Steven Moore.

  59. 59.

    Mel

    September 19, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    @ArchTeryx: The very fact that you have been supportive of each other and loved each other through the awful stuff says it all.
    Belated congratulations on your engagement, and I am hoping with all my heart that you can be in the same locale asap.

  60. 60.

    Betty Cracker

    September 19, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): One reason I’ve grown fond of Twitter is that I can block irritating shitheads. Here, I feel an obligation to eschew the pie filter since I function as a seldom-used, half-assed moderator. But y’all are generally more entertaining than Twitter, IMO.

  61. 61.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    Frank Thorp VVerified account @ frankthorp
    Welp: Sen Alexander says the attempt to reach a bipartisan consensus w/ Sen Murray on health care didn’t work:

    Taniel‏Verified account @ Taniel 46m46 minutes ago
    Alexander sabotages his own talks to prevent GOP Sens like McCain to oppose Graham-Cassidy on ground that bipartisan talks are progressing.

    Topher Spiro‏Verified account @ TopherSpiro 50m50 minutes
    Will McCain see through this? If it were me, I’d be insulted and livid.

  62. 62.

    NotMax

    September 19, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    @Baud

    It’s far from easy to be Mahatma-like. Certainly not as easy as taking Gandhi from a baby.

    (ouch)

  63. 63.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 19, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    Why does the GOP keep trying to repeal the ACA when a majority support it? How can they justify that with a straight face? If Graham-Cassidy does somehow pass, and people die as a result, will GOP Congressmen who voted for it pay with their lives?

    I’m feeling a little helpless, so I’m metaphorically feeling stabby.

  64. 64.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    September 19, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: LGM switched to Disqus when its servers were close to collapsing. I would say that the in-built block function means it at least breaks even – moderation was fairly uneven in dealing with not overtly-hateful trolls, and the pie filter became a lot less effective with the presence of persistent trolls.

    (On a related note, I’ve noticed that BJ sometimes randomly deletes comments on old posts).

  65. 65.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    @Betty Cracker: It also doesn’t work if you’re signed in as an author. Feature or bug? Why yes!

    ETA disqus is garbage

  66. 66.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    @NotMax: Your puns make ahinsa hard.

  67. 67.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Is it that final paragraph? I’d hate to think someone with a brain actually said that out loud.

  68. 68.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    September 19, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I’ve blocked only about four to five regulars on both BJ and LGM, using it as a measure of last resort.

  69. 69.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: will GOP Congressmen who voted for it pay with their ?

    You could say “careers” or “seats” or “political futures”. Just a thought.

  70. 70.

    Betty Cracker

    September 19, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: They wants those tax cuts, precious!

  71. 71.

    ArchTeryx

    September 19, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @Mel: We’re working on it. It’s not easy – she’d have to leave a six-year plus job behind to come here. But this is the one place I’m putting my foot down, because I work for New York State – a lifetime gig with lifetime benefits – and there’s literally NOTHING for me in Wilmington, Delaware. She’ll have a far easier time getting a job here then I ever would getting a job there – two attempts in the past yielded absolutely nothing.

  72. 72.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 19, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    That’s not enough when they deliberately and callously vote to kill people, which is what this is. This is mass murder.

  73. 73.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Nah. That would require supporting Democrats. What could be worse?

  74. 74.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 19, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @Baud: Even the original Mahatma had his off days.

  75. 75.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Why do people like Disqus? It’s such garbage.

  76. 76.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 19, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: It always takes forever to load.

  77. 77.

    Iowa Old Lady

    September 19, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    @Betty Cracker: You’re very entertaining on twitter, Betty. Here too, of course.

  78. 78.

    Ajabu

    September 19, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    Maria is bearing down on Puerto Rico and. wait for it… the USVI. St. Croix was the only US Virgin Island to make it through Irma relatively unscathed — and picked up all the slack for the rest of the sister islands — but if it gets hit this time it will go from a decade of recovery to the rest of my lifetime (if not my grandchildren.).
    My Beautiful Leeward Isles. GODDAMN!
    Here’s a reminder of what we were only a couple of weeks ago:
    youtube.com/watch?v=54aPmBnAj00

  79. 79.

    jeffreyw

    September 19, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    Hurricane Maria now has sustained winds of 175MPH.

  80. 80.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 7:02 pm

    @Ajabu: Fingers crossed, man.

  81. 81.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2017 at 7:03 pm

    @Baud: I am: got my triple boot(mac, windows insider, linux) test machine working and it’s been 7 years since I was on the bottle. Today would have also been my dad an aunt’s 98th.

  82. 82.

    MomSense

    September 19, 2017 at 7:03 pm

    It’s been a busy day for me. Just wanted to share today’s fax to Collins. Today I focused on process and pre-existing conditions. I try to avoid lingo and just make one or two points each day.

    I just learned that the CBO will not be able to fully evaluate Graham Cassidy before September 30th. Specifically they won’t have the projections for how many people will be affected/lose insurance because of this bill. Please do not vote for a bill that hasn’t been fully evaluated. Given what I have read about the loss of protections for those of us with pre-existing conditions, I am terrified. If insurance companies can raise rates for pre/existing conditions, it is a de facto loss of coverage and loss of protections for pre-existing conditions.
    We don’t have to rush this process. Wouldn’t it be better if it was a bipartisan process? Wouldn’t it be nice if the Republican Congress could break the cycle of hyper partisanship and work with the Democrats? Wouldn’t it be easier to do the fixes that would make the ACA better instead of trying something new that is not fully fleshed out?
    Please, don’t vote for Graham Cassidy. I know Lindsey Graham is a friend of yours and I can imagine the pressure you must feel but Mainers stand to lose so much with this bill. We need a hero right now. Please be our hero. Vote no.

    ETA to send a free fax to your Rep, Senators, and Governor text “resist” to 504-09
    They have a new feature which is to text “invite” to the same number to ask friends to help.

  83. 83.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 19, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    I’ve used disqus before and it indeed does suck donkey balls. No quote tool and if you quote from an article or another commenter using “” with a link, your comment gets marked as spam. It’s infuriating. Which is why I avoid it now

  84. 84.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: It’s also a complete nightmare with regards to search and retrieval, archiving, etc.

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Sure, you’re great, but is America, was the question, I think. Congrats and such!

  85. 85.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Big day!

  86. 86.

    LurkerNoLonger

    September 19, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Republicans are terrible, soulless monsters. I can’t describe how much i hate these people. It’s not healthy.

  87. 87.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    September 19, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: I take it you mean no built-in tags? I haven’t noticed the quotation issue, as LGM tradition uses (blockquote) for quotations and no quotation marks around links.

    Showing all comments in a thread is also erratic.

  88. 88.

    ArchTeryx

    September 19, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Man, they take the whole Lucy and the Football thing real seriously, don’t they?

    If I were Patty Murray, I’d tell the entire caucus to take a flying fuck off a tall bridge if Graham-Cassidy fails and they come back hat in hand for more “bipartisan” fixes.

    Then, I have had a hate-on for Patty Murray since her unemployment ‘compromise’ with Paul Ryan stripped me of my benefits and forced me to leave Michigan for good. I’d vote for her primary challenger if I could. She’s pathetically easy to roll, as has been proven by Republicans again and again.

  89. 89.

    MomSense

    September 19, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Well done, LCdMCfkaED

    These fuckers don’t understand basic concepts about insurance and they are trying to legislate it. Grrrr.

  90. 90.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 7:12 pm

    @Ajabu:

    Good luck. I can’t imagine what you’re going through.

    Has Betty checked in today?

  91. 91.

    Doug R

    September 19, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    So page bottom arrow, up arrow to lowest comment with a reply link, then follow the links back up to the top comment.
    Because I don’t care what a child actor looks like, triplets DNA is their own damn business and any website with “secrets” is trying to sell me something. Surprised there’s no ad for trump u

  92. 92.

    Tazj

    September 19, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    @ArchTeryx:

    Mockingbirds don’t take crap from anyone

    Yes, I found that out the hard way while just out for a nice walk around my neighborhood. One dive bombed me a few times when I was just minding my own business. A neighbor had placed a bird house on a hook right near the sidewalk. A man walking to his car laughing said “Did that bird just try to attack you?” I’m sure I looked hilarious trying to duck.

  93. 93.

    MomSense

    September 19, 2017 at 7:15 pm

    @debbie:

    I haven’t seen her and I’m very worried. KeithG checked in this morning but the thread was dead by the time I saw his comment. He’s in Houston, so Inwas happy to see him. Haven’t seen KeithP though and I think his house flooded last year just with heavy rain. I hope he is ok.

  94. 94.

    LurkerNoLonger

    September 19, 2017 at 7:15 pm

    @MomSense: Very well put.

  95. 95.

    mai naem mobile

    September 19, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    Has Betty from Dominica checked in yet?

  96. 96.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @MomSense:

    Thanks. This is all so horrible. Is there any indication you’ll feel any effects from José?

  97. 97.

    ArchTeryx

    September 19, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    @Tazj: You were too close to its nest and they give absolutely no quarter. I’ve personally watched them harass a juvenile Red Tailed Hawk practically to tears, among other large and threatening animals. They are the only non-predatory bird I’ve ever seen take on an entire feeder full of squirrels and win.

  98. 98.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    @MomSense: You are a wonder.

  99. 99.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 19, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
    This is straight disqus. Disqus doesn’t have a quotation tool on its website or it’s plug-in comment sections for newspaper sites. It sucks.

  100. 100.

    MomSense

    September 19, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    @debbie:

    Just wind and waves so no kayaking for me! I’m just hoping the fishing/lobster boats aren’t damaged.

  101. 101.

    chopper

    September 19, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    I hope, unlike last time, Twitler is able to scare up a satellite phone to communicate with Mexico’s president before several days elapse.

    i love trump’s excuse for not calling mexico’s president. like the goddamn president of mexico doesn’t have a working phone. trump probably thinks nieto’s plane has a dirt floor.

  102. 102.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    And the buttons stopped working again.

  103. 103.

    MomSense

    September 19, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    @Baud:

    ☺️

  104. 104.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    @MomSense:

    Fingers crossed it stays that way.

  105. 105.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @Baud: works on my machine. Ship it!

  106. 106.

    chris

    September 19, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Well done! How did you do that without profanity?

  107. 107.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 19, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    Short video from Mexico City

  108. 108.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I tried that with my boss once, she was unimpressed since it failed to work on the client’s machine.

  109. 109.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    September 19, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    @chris:

    It was a struggle. Usually, my Wikipedia defacement is more crude. I played this one close.

  110. 110.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: see it’s funny because I wrote this version of the buttons.

  111. 111.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    Why does the GOP keep trying to repeal the ACA when a majority support it?

    Because it means they have hundreds of billions in now free funds to cut taxes permanently on the rich without needing 60 votes.

    Otherwise, its 10 year sunset provisions.

  112. 112.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 19, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    My son’s GF has heard from her family in Mexico City and everyone is OK, along with their houses. It was difficult to get through.

    Reports are that some of the poorer areas have fared badly.

  113. 113.

    chopper

    September 19, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    @jeffreyw:

    son of a fucking bitch.

  114. 114.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    Andy Slavitt‏Verified account @ASlavitt

    Lindsay Graham just said we must end any bipartisan talks & repeal the ACA in order to stop the march to socialism.
    11:46 AM – 19 Sep 2017

  115. 115.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: But you see, now Baud is unimpressed.

  116. 116.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 7:31 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I shut down Chrome on my phone and restarted and the buttons work again.

  117. 117.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    @West of the Cascades:

    WTF is wrong with the New York Times? Not a single story on the front page of their website about the Cassidy-Graham Take Away Health Care from 25 Million Bill.

    Penetration at all levels.

  118. 118.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 19, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    @jeffreyw:

    Whoa!!

  119. 119.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    In moderation, please help

  120. 120.

    Kristine

    September 19, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @Ohio Mom: FWIW, anything near the edges of my iPhone 5 display–buttons, links–responds intermittently at best.

  121. 121.

    MomSense

    September 19, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    @LurkerNoLonger:

    Thanks. Tomorrow’s fax will be about Essential Health Care Benefits. They are pretty fucking necessary and Graham Cassidy doesn’t guarantee them.

    On the local news tonight she told a reporter she was leaning no. It’s still too close so we keep fighting. ?

  122. 122.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 19, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Holy fuck

  123. 123.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 19, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    @NotMax:

    Tell me you didn’t.

  124. 124.

    chopper

    September 19, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    @jeffreyw:

    apparently a dropsonde dropped by a hurricane hunters aircraft measured winds of 168 knots in the storm. that’s 195mph. hopefully that’s a glitch of some sort.

  125. 125.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    Benjy Sarlin‏Verified account @BenjySarlin

    Sen. Patty Murray statement on death of bipartisan Obamacare talks puts blame squarely on repeal push

    twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/910261942148911104

  126. 126.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 7:38 pm

    Death Toll in Mexico Earthquake just hit triple digits.

  127. 127.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    @TenguPhule: I don’t know if this is true. First of all…

    Under Senate interpretations of the Congressional Budget Act, the Senate can consider the three basic subjects of reconciliation — spending, revenues, and debt limit — in a single bill or multiple bills, but it can consider each of these three in only one bill per year (unless Congress passes a second budget resolution).

    Graham-Cassidy touches spending and revenues so a second tax bill couldn’t happen under this set of reconciliation instructions. If they want to have another go, they’d have to pass a budget. Which they could theoretically do, but it’s not a snap of the fingers. Next, you cannot pass a reconciliation bill that, considered in a vacuum, “produce[s] a net increase in mandatory spending.” So budget-busting tax cuts that weren’t linked within the same set of reconciliation instructions to healthcare spending cuts don’t actually get to use the savings from the healthcare cuts.

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: @Baud: See? It was Baud’s problem, not mine.

  128. 128.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    @chopper:

    that’s 195mph. hopefully that’s a glitch of some sort.

    I’m afraid that’s probably a feature, not a bug.

  129. 129.

    chris

    September 19, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I was impressed by the triple boot and said so, too late as usual, this morning. Very cool.

    More importantly, congratulations on your seven years. Will there be cake?

  130. 130.

    trollhattan

    September 19, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    This might have received notice on a slower news day but Westlands Water District–the state’s largest with a management group stocked with Bushies–has torpedoed the Delta tunnels water project. “Water’s just too ding-dang expensive”* they plead. They also say they’re not responsible for killing it immediately after killing it.

    For California this is a Big Biden Deal.

    A large agricultural district Tuesday dealt a potentially fatal blow to Gov. Jerry Brown’s Delta tunnels project, voting overwhelmingly not to help pay for the $17 billion plan to remake the fragile estuary that serves as the hub of California’s water delivery network.

    Westlands Water District’s board of directors, following more than an hour of debate over the tunnels’ costs, voted 7-1 against participating in the project, known officially as California WaterFix.

    Westlands is the first water agency to take a vote on the project, and other big districts are expected to make their decisions in the coming weeks. But Westlands’ rejection is a huge blow to Brown’s plan; the sprawling agricultural district would have been responsible for well more than $3 billion of the project’s costs.

    “I am not certain the project can go forward,” said Westlands General Manager Tom Birmingham shortly after the vote. Earlier, he cast the decision in more dire terms, saying if Westlands voted against the project, the tunnels “will die, the project will be over.”

    The no vote from a key backer of the largest water infrastructure project planned in California in decades reverberated through the state’s water policy world Tuesday.

    “Absent Westlands, you don’t have a (tunnels) project,” said Jeff Kightlinger, general manager of The Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, the tunnels project’s primary cheerleader outside of Brown’s office.

    “This was designed to be a comprehensive solution for California – both ag and urban, and really cover all the major parties,” Kightlinger said. “We would have designed a different project if it was just for the urban sector or something like that. But we didn’t. My board has been pretty clear … they’re not in the business of subsidizing agriculture.”

    Westlands directors said they were uncomfortable with the costs, particularly in light of the federal Bureau of Reclamation’s decision to exempt certain water districts from having to pay for the tunnels. That decision effectively raised Westlands’ expected costs. Birmingham has said that the cost of water for Westlands farmers would have climbed from $160 per acre-foot to more than $600.

    Westlands directors took exception to the idea that their vote would be responsible for unraveling the tunnels project, which has been about a decade in the making. Westlands was simply the first agency to vote, said board member Todd Neves.

    “It’s not Westlands Water District killing the project,” Neves said.

    *Their “plan” was to have federal water contractors north of the Delta pay a portion without actually benefiting from it, to (further) subsidize their already subsidized water.

  131. 131.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 19, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    @ArchTeryx: And Trump is remedying the problem of too many Black & Brown people.

    But her emails, indeed.

  132. 132.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    Topher Spiro‏Verified account @TopherSpiro

    What’s going on here is clear: Republicans are sabotaging the bipartisan deal to push Graham-Cassidy. politico.com/story/2017/09/19/obamacare-stabilization-bill-status-242875 …

  133. 133.

    jl

    September 19, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    I wonder whether Lamar Alexander will eat shit in front of the whole country by voting yes on the Graham-Cassidy BS, after his bipartisan effort was flushed down the toilet because it was making too much progress too quickly on a sane health care bill?

  134. 134.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 19, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Why do people like Disqus? It’s such garbage.

    Yes, exactly. That’s why I commented “Disqus is garbage.” :-)

    (Think I first came across it on Media Matters, and its very presence has gone far toward keeping me from being a regular at MM.)

  135. 135.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    Jeremy Diamond‏Verified account @JDiamond1

    NEW: RNC spent $230,000+ to cover @realDonaldTrump’s legal fees tied to Russia probe. $131,250 to Sekulow. $100K to Dowd, per RNC official
    2:27 PM – 19 Sep 2017 from Atlanta, GA

  136. 136.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    So budget-busting tax cuts that weren’t linked within the same set of reconciliation instructions to healthcare spending cuts don’t actually get to use the savings from the healthcare cuts.

    So then why are the Republican tax cut plans using that money in their own calculations?

    /Not arguing with you here, this is what’s bugging me.

  137. 137.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 7:43 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I know, I was replying to your comment that said disqus is garbage after I had independently and later commented the exact same thing.

    @TenguPhule: That was when they were supposed to have healthcare done by April so they could move on to tax cuts. Unless they have a tax cut bill lined up and ready to pass by October 1, they’re going to need a new set of reconciliation instructions. ETA usual caveats such as “nobody except the parliamentarian knows how the fuck this works and even she’s not so sure”

  138. 138.

    Elizabelle

    September 19, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    @MomSense: Terrific letter. Well done.

  139. 139.

    gbbalto

    September 19, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    @ArchTeryx: Congratulations and best wishes! Hope you get there soon.

  140. 140.

    Laura

    September 19, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    @ArchTeryx: this is the Most Wonderful news!
    The joys of marriage are deep and simple.
    A wedding is another thing altogether.
    Me and the spouse still can’t believe how happy we were to be married even when we didn’t have two dimes to rub between us.

    I wish everyone who desires to be in a relationship or marriage meets a compatible partner who comes with interesting life experiences, emotionally available, and willing to help pull a wagon through this too short, often difficult life.

  141. 141.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @rikyrah: don’t forget Fredo!

    Rebecca Ballhaus‏Verified account @rebeccaballhaus 28m28 minutes ago
    NEW: On top of payments to Trump’s private legal team, RNC in August paid two Don Jr. lawyers.
    $166K to Futerfas
    $30K to Williams & Jensen

    Futerfas, Don Jr.’s lawyer, had already been paid $50K by Trump campaign in June—weeks before reports of Trump Tower mtg w/Russian lawyer

  142. 142.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    @chris:

    I was impressed by the triple boot and said so, too late as usual, this morning. Very cool.

    I saw your comment in the long dead thread after I woke up. The problem wasn’t getting Windows and Linux to work, it was the Mac. After trying to get my 4 year old AMD video card to work(ended up booting to a yellow screen), I purchased a new Nvidia card and it booted right up. I had to reinstall Windows and Linux Mint since they were set up for BIOS and not UEFI.

    More importantly, congratulations on your seven years. Will there be cake?

    Cheesecake with strawberries on top.

  143. 143.

    khead

    September 19, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Sorry, but needs a lot more “NO” than I am seeing that statement.

  144. 144.

    joel hanes

    September 19, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    @NotMax:

    And the fruit itself is naturally very slightly radioactive.

    As are your bones. Everyone’s bones.

  145. 145.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 19, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I know, I was replying to your comment that said disqus is garbage after I had independently and later commented the exact same thing.

    LOL, missed that, sorry. GMTA, and Baud also too.

  146. 146.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 19, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    @TenguPhule: Just awful. This month has been horrible for natural disasters.

  147. 147.

    Alain the site fixer

    September 19, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: disqus stores comments on their, not John’s server. That’s a non-starter.

    As for buttons working I’m using iPhone 6splus and has no problems in IOS 10 and not now
    In 11. They work on iPad and laptop and desktop both of which run Win 10 of different flavours.

  148. 148.

    Alain the site fixer

    September 19, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    @Alain the site fixer: my typing, on the other hand…

  149. 149.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    @khead: Murray is a Democrat, she’s not going to vote yes on Graham-Cassidy.

    @joel hanes: I feel like everybody should give the XKCD radiation dose chart a once-over every year or so so the idea is fresh in their heads as they read the news. (Especially always liked the bit about how cell phones don’t emit radiation, unless they’re bananaphones)

  150. 150.

    Corner Stone

    September 19, 2017 at 7:51 pm

    @khead:

    Sorry, but needs a lot more “NO” than I am seeing that statement.

    Sounds like a fuckton of Patty Murray giving it up again.

  151. 151.

    Alain the site fixer

    September 19, 2017 at 7:52 pm

    @Baud: FYI it’s you! Majorx4 made them so I’m sure he’s to blame..,

  152. 152.

    Corner Stone

    September 19, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    @ArchTeryx:

    Then, I have had a hate-on for Patty Murray since her unemployment ‘compromise’ with Paul Ryan stripped me of my benefits and forced me to leave Michigan for good. I’d vote for her primary challenger if I could. She’s pathetically easy to roll, as has been proven by Republicans again and again.

    She fucked over a lot of people with that roll over and beg “compromise”.

  153. 153.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: And Trump has offered zero assistance or aid to them so far.

    Of course that would require a functional State Dept.

  154. 154.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    September 19, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    So I decided to call McCain’s office regarding ACA

    What the hell: though I’m not an AZ resident, I have a relative who is.

    Phoenix – (602) 952-2410

    Tucson – (520) 670-6334

    WashingtonDC (202) 224-2235 – press #1

    The DC has voice mail, at first the automated message suggests using email, but if you hang on it will connect you to voicemail.

    I asked him not to vote for bill that has no bipartisan support, nor a bill that only has 50 votes, nor a bill that tampers with pre-existing conditions, nor a bill that tampers with medicaid.

  155. 155.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    September 19, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    LOL. I remember those days.

  156. 156.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    @Alain the site fixer: try to keep up, he turned it off and then on again and they work now.

  157. 157.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    CSPAN‏Verified account @cspan

    Sen. @LindseyGrahamSC on #GrahamCassidy: “Paul Ryan told me to my face: if you pass it, we pass it.”

  158. 158.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: It truly is the miracle cure. I wonder if it works with people.

  159. 159.

    joel hanes

    September 19, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    everybody should give the XKCD radiation dose chart a once-over every year or so so

    xkcd is incomparably brilliant, but I wish he’d included data for
    – spending a year at altititude 5000 feet. (Denver)
    – spending a year close to granite bedrock (Maine, Vermont, upstate NY, the Sierra Nevada, anywhere on the Canadian Shield)

  160. 160.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    For the first time, Trump’s approval rating has increased for three weeks in a row

    Trump’s average weekly approval rating in Gallup polling has ticked one percentage point upward over the past four weeks. Thirty-five, then 36, then 37 and now 38 percent of the country thinks that Trump is doing a good job.

    And who are these fucking idiots?

    The change over the past four weeks has been heavily centered on the sorts of Americans that Trump would very much like to keep in line for 2020. Among college graduates, his approval has jumped 7 points; among those with advanced degrees, it’s up 10. Among moderate Republicans, his approval rating has climbed 7 points. In the case of moderate Republicans, he still is well behind where he was in January, but among better-educated Americans, he’s regained most of the ground he lost.

    I need a freaking drink.

  161. 161.

    Tenar Arha

    September 19, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    @Ajabu: Hope you’re safe. I was thinking of you this morning, along with Betty from Dominica.

    Re: Betty from Dominica, anyone heard from her yet?

  162. 162.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    @TenguPhule: He was not fully embarrassing during Irma.

  163. 163.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    @rikyrah:

    “Paul Ryan told me to my face: if you pass it, we pass it.”

    Hate these fuckers SO MUCH.

  164. 164.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    McCain Kasich adviser:

    John Weaver @ J WGOP
    What Graham-Cassidy will do to people with pre-existing conditions, an issue long thought untouchable, is simply reprehensible.

    I heard Jennifer Rubin trashing the bill last night. Trump has scrambled every egg except the elected Humpy Dumptys,
    as Cheryl posted in the last thread

    Eugenia Stonecroft @ E ugeniaStonecr1
    Wonder no more. The Koch donor network will give GOP $400M for 2018 *only if ACA is repealed* & tax reform passes

  165. 165.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    September 19, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    @Alain the site fixer: For the record, I never said we should move to Disqus, just that its “total blockage” feature seems like a good option in lieu of/in conjunction with the standard pie filter, especially on a site that doesn’t use threaded comments.

    Also: Why do some of the comments on archived posts randomly disappear?

  166. 166.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    @rikyrah: They said that last time also.

  167. 167.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    @Baud:

    He was not fully embarrassing during Irma.

    He wasn’t?

    “Biggest hurricane ever” and his other shitstorm of tweets, the Nazi support and other chickenshit he dumped when the storms hit?

  168. 168.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    @joel hanes: huh, I coulda sworn Denver was in there.

    @TenguPhule: well, remember, everybody’s real complaint was his embarrassing tweets, not his actual policies.

  169. 169.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    @ArchTeryx:

    Positive thoughts for you two :)

  170. 170.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    Alec MacGillis‏Verified account @AlecMacGillis 7h7 hours ago

    Cassidy says it’s “not fair” so much $$ goes to states that expanded Medicaid. If only there was something other states could do about that.

  171. 171.

    dr. luba

    September 19, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): What is it with most white people and NO WASHCLOTHS in the shower? I mean, really.

  172. 172.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    September 19, 2017 at 8:09 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    See? It was Baud’s problem, not mine.

    Implementation problem. The code is great!

  173. 173.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    CNN says Mueller’s investigation into Manafort looks as far back as 11 years ago

  174. 174.

    Alain the site fixer

    September 19, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: hey man, I sometimes choose to experience these threads in real time. Waiting to the end to make comments is too cloistered for me!

  175. 175.

    MomSense

    September 19, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Not fair???! WTeverlovingF! The non expansion states had the same opportunity to provide their residents health care by taking the federal Medicaid funds. Is he stupid or lying?

  176. 176.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    @TenguPhule: It’s a relative measure. And Charlottesville was before Irma.

  177. 177.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    as far back as 11 years ago

    If this pulls some of the Bushies into this quagmire, I don’t know if I’ll laugh or cry.

  178. 178.

    germy

    September 19, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Tonight I saw a clip on CBS news of Manafort in 1989, testifying in front of a committee, admitting that he was influence peddling.

  179. 179.

    Alain the site fixer

    September 19, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): that’s a new one on me. Please send email via form and provide as much detail as possible

  180. 180.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    @MomSense: It’s not fair that good is treated better than evil.

  181. 181.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    Matt Fuller‏Verified account @MEPFuller

    Telling moment from Graham:

    Notes CA & NY are “big blue states”

    “I’m not out to hurt them—but Im trying to, you know, create parity here”
    1:42 PM – 19 Sep 2017

  182. 182.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Hypocrite Kasich has grown silent suddenly. His real chance to stand up and there’s only crickets.

  183. 183.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    @Baud:

    And Charlottesville was before Irma.

    I blame the Timey-Wimey Ball that has engulfed our nation since January. All Trump disasters are starting to run together.

  184. 184.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone): it’s not my fault his browser wasn’t working right and needed to be restarted.

  185. 185.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    @MomSense:

    Is he stupid or lying?

    I’m going with the former, but I could be wrong.

  186. 186.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    @debbie: Ha! Good catch. Where’s the moderate now?

  187. 187.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    @MomSense:

    Is he stupid or lying?

    Yes.

  188. 188.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:14 pm

    @Baud:

    It’s not fair that good is treated better than evil.

    Which can only be solved by destroying good and letting evil rule.

  189. 189.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:14 pm

    @TenguPhule: It is a bit of a daisy chain of shit.

  190. 190.

    chris

    September 19, 2017 at 8:14 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Cheesecake with strawberries on top.

    Yay! Wish I could be there, I love birthdays. And cake. Hang in there.

    (Now googling to see how triple boot actually works.)

  191. 191.

    jl

    September 19, 2017 at 8:14 pm

    @MomSense: Fantastic letter. I’m going to rewrite parts of it for repeat contacts. I already faxed a batch of concerned letters to GOPers who might do the right thing, if we are very lucky. Hope you don’t mind, Thanks in advance.

  192. 192.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Telling moment from Graham:

    Notes CA & NY are “big blue states”

    “I’m not out to hurt them—but Im trying to, you know, create parity here”

    Achieving parity with South Carolina would involve three quarters of the other states regressing into third world status.

  193. 193.

    jl

    September 19, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    @rikyrah: What a jackass Graham is. They claim Medicaid expansion is a bad deal, But it is a good deal, so then they complain that the (mostly) blue state who got the Medicaid money are getting an unfairly good deal, compared to the toxic dopey red states who didn’t expand.

    Here’s a wild and crazy idea, we could get parity by more of the big red states expanding Medicaid, instead of killing off so many of their poor residents. Well… excuuuuse me!

    It’s cynicism and bad faith all the way down.
    It’s Yertles all the way down.

  194. 194.

    Corner Stone

    September 19, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    @rikyrah: The relatively few R reps in a handful of blue states are going to scream holy hell if this actually makes it to the House. Death on a stick.

  195. 195.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    @TenguPhule: what you call ‘good’ and ‘evil’ are both fabrications, tools that the carceral state uses to keep us all addicted to pharmaceuticals and hide the benefits of 420. GMO Monsanto!

    Stein/Johnson 2020!

  196. 196.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Stein/Johnson 2020!

    Well played.

  197. 197.

    Alain the site fixer

    September 19, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: they look back as far as they have tidbits of evidence. Some time I’ll share some of my experiences growing up in DC. You hear and see lots of questionable things in some circles, so I expect he’s been on the radar of FBI counter-espionage folks since college. Off and on, I’m sure, like many other people who’ve been stupid enough to voice their questionable ethics and values amongst folks who truly take heed of their charge to protect and defend. Or for selfish powerful-would-be’s, guard the path to achieving their “legacy”.

  198. 198.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    @debbie: @Baud: FWIW

    Sahil Kapur‏Verified account sahilkapur
    10 governors ask McConnell not to bring up Graham-Cassidy.
    Notables: Walker (I-Alaska), Brian Sandoval (R-Nevada), Kasich (R-Ohio).

    Also signing: Govs of CO, LA, MT, VA, MA, PA and VT. If you live in one of those states and want to thank them, or troll your R by asking if they agree with your (R) governor

  199. 199.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Death on a stick.

    A pale white horse, rear end pointed at all of us.

  200. 200.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Kasich was all over the TV before.

  201. 201.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    @jl:

    Here’s a wild and crazy idea, we could get parity by more of the big red states expanding Medicaid, instead of killing off so many of their poor residents.

    But that would mean more poor people get to live free from medical bankruptcy.

    And we can’t have that.

  202. 202.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    @Baud:

    Cowering in his private chapel, no doubt.

    His lieutenant governor, Mary Taylor, is running for governor, and she has already announced she’ll stop Medicare expansion.

  203. 203.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 19, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    I feel a little guilty during these phone-a-thons to keep the Republican Congress from killing us all, because my two senators are Democrats and have firmly opposed the Republican cruelty. So today I called both Senators’ offices to thank them. I also retweet (selectively) their tweets on the subject.

  204. 204.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2017 at 8:21 pm

    @Corner Stone: Two NY state Rs, King and I think Reed, have said they can’t vote for it. I think as a general rule (?) House members feel more vulnerable to constituent pressure. I wonder what dithering Charlie Dent will do on the way out.
    ETA: Could make life difficult for people in a purple state trending blue like VA or CO

  205. 205.

    debbie

    September 19, 2017 at 8:21 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Inadequate. He needs to be very vocal right now if he wants to maintain his credibility.

  206. 206.

    jl

    September 19, 2017 at 8:21 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Hope that does some good. Sadly, the horses asses Heller and Portman told their governors to go to hell the last time. but, OK, I’ll look at that tweet and add those governors to my list.

  207. 207.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    I feel a little guilty during these phone-a-thons to keep the Republican Congress from killing us all,

    I fondly remember the days when this wasn’t actually necessary and vital to the well being of millions of Americans.

  208. 208.

    Humdog

    September 19, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
    How is this not a bribe? WTF!

    ETA, this is to Jim, right above. Sorry.

  209. 209.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    September 19, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I just tweeted @JohnKasich to oppose ACA repeal.

    every bit, helps.

  210. 210.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    @debbie: At least they are honest about it. It’s why I can’t get too upset when the GOP cuts taxes on the rich. They don’t hide that agenda.

  211. 211.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    @TenguPhule: No you don’t. Dems were just as bad. They sold us out.

  212. 212.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    @Baud:

    It’s why I can’t get too upset when the GOP cuts taxes on the rich. They don’t hide that agenda.

    I don’t care if they told us they were scorpions, they still need to drown.

  213. 213.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    @TenguPhule: You and I aren’t the problem.

  214. 214.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    September 19, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: good point. I will send Heller social media telling him to stand with Sandoval against repeal.

  215. 215.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    @jl: true, but at least in Heller’s case, don’t they say he’s scared shitless of Sandoval? Portman was just reelected and feels like a lifer to me.

    As with McCain, to the extent we can hope for anything from kasich is that a combination of ego, hatred (of trump– and maybe Ryan, just a hunch) and 2020 ambition may get him on TeeVee again next week. Not placing any bets, but I still think Katich wants to primary trump

    ETA: also, people are saying, you know “they” that the Indie AK gov’s endorsement matters a lot to Murkowski, who ran as an indie last time, and who needed support from loose Dem leaners, especially the Native community, to do that. Then again, other Dems are hearing her say her vote’s up for grabs if McC gives her enough money for AK.

  216. 216.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    @Baud:

    Baud 2020!: I’m not the Problem*!!

    *Probably

  217. 217.

    MomSense

    September 19, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Congratulations on your milestone today.

  218. 218.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    @TenguPhule: I could be his running mate, I’m probably not a robot!

  219. 219.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Whatever happened to roboBaud?

  220. 220.

    MomSense

    September 19, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    @jl:

    I’m posting one every day to give people ideas so feel free to use whatever you like. Tomorrow will be about the loss of essential health benefits. Yesterday was about Medicaid cuts.

  221. 221.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    For the love of all that’s unholy, Alain, please do something about the auto-play ads.

  222. 222.

    TenguPhule

    September 19, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I could be his running mate, I’m probably not a robot!

    I thought we confirmed you are most definitely a sea monster.

  223. 223.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: (Putting on Kevlar suit and helmet…)

    If you don’t have time to camp out on a thread with hundreds of comments during the day, Disqus works pretty well. (As you know) you get a little indicator for responses to your comments and even a submenu where you can see just those comments. It’s really handy if you comment on multiple sites, also too, of course.

    This place is great, but it really works best for real-time comments and continuous reading. If you want to comment on something 2-3 hours after the thread starts, there’s no way to know if someone already said what you’re thinking about saying (probably multiple times) without reading the whole thing. Threading can give you a very quick way to scan the threads and subthreads.

    With all that said, Disqus does have issues. Their choice for white space to text ratios and spacing seems broken to me. Their widgets for “sharing” are annoying (they get activated simply by accidentally getting the mouse pointer near them, they take too long to load, etc.). The “comment counter” seems to update inconsistently. And it does take too long to load more comments.

    Note, I’m not advocating any changes here. (At least, not in this comment. ;-)

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    (“Hey, you asked!”)

  224. 224.

    Baud

    September 19, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    @Another Scott:

    If you don’t have time to camp out on a thread with hundreds of comments during the day,

    you don’t deserve BJ.

  225. 225.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    September 19, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    @rikyrah: what an asshole. Cassidy represents Louisiana which saw 433,412¹ residents covered by the medicare expansion in the past 12 months

  226. 226.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 19, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    @TenguPhule: well those online quizzes aren’t definitive.

    @Baud: I got busy.

    @Another Scott: thanks.

  227. 227.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    @chris: It’s not a birthday, just an anniversary. If you have any questions about triple boot, ask away.

  228. 228.

    NotMax

    September 19, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    @Alain the site fixer

    Had a stray idea which wanted to toss out to you and M⁴ for the site.

    A calendar type listing or page to which those who care to could submit their birth date (sans year, of course), for reference by the rest of us. Might even be a way to tie it in to the front page to flash a b’day greeting on the appropriate date on the sidebar?

  229. 229.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 19, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Why?

  230. 230.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    @MomSense: Thanks.

  231. 231.

    jl

    September 19, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    @MomSense: Thanks, I’ll search for your comments, then.

  232. 232.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2017 at 8:44 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Why, what?

  233. 233.

    NotMax

    September 19, 2017 at 8:45 pm

    @Major Major Major Major

    he turned it off and then on again and they work now

    The IT Crowd lives!

  234. 234.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    Alt-SeanSpicer’sMic‏ @Alt_Spicerlies

    Re-read the timeline Manafort’s phone WAS wiretapped during this meeting and now puts @JeffSession in BIGLY trouble. And now we groot dance

  235. 235.

    rikyrah

    September 19, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    Alex Ruoff‏Verified account @Alexruoff

    Dems were willing to give on copper plans and waiver authority for bipartisan ACA fixes, Schumer spox says.

  236. 236.

    chris

    September 19, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Ah, different strokes or perhaps we got to the same place by different routes. Whatever works! Here we call them birthdays and the cake happens on the last Wednesday of the month.

    Think I’ll keep my dual boot system the way it is. I could add Mac apparently but I can’t think of a reason, thanks anyway. As it is I only boot Windows now and then to update it, poke around a bit and say, Gah!

  237. 237.

    FlyingToaster

    September 19, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    @mai naem mobile: It would be a miracle if she checks in before next Monday.

  238. 238.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    @chris: There’s a star stacking program that’s only for the mac so hence the mac. I’m use Windows as my primary machine, the Insider test lets me look at the latest and buggiest, and Linux is just for fun. Of the three, the latest Windows built loads the fastest.

  239. 239.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    @Baud: Do any of us? Except maybe Lily?

    :-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  240. 240.

    But her emails!!

    September 19, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    @rikyrah:

    “I’m not out to hurt them—but Im trying to, you know, create parity here”

    Sound goods. When is South Carolina going to cut New York and California checks? Graham knows that they’re net federal contributors, while his state is a net federal recipient, right?

  241. 241.

    Alain the site fixer

    September 19, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    @NotMax: great idea, we’ll see what we can do! I’d also like to see some anonymized map or something….

  242. 242.

    Yutsano

    September 19, 2017 at 9:08 pm

    Update from my friends in Monterrey:

    They’re okay.

    And better yet…

    THEY’RE HAVING A BABY!!!

  243. 243.

    jl

    September 19, 2017 at 9:08 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: As for Heller, my recollection is that Sandoval ‘begged’ (word I remember in the news) Heller to oppose the BCRA and related repeal/replace BS, but Heller voted for it anyway. I’ve also read that Heller periodically has ass-kissing appearances before various reactionary Vegas multi mill- and billionaires to reassure himself that they are well pleased, and that their money will keep flowing his way.

    So, very little to hope for with Heller in terms of conscientious hard work and principle. I’ve faxed the guy, and will do so again, in case a miracle happens.

  244. 244.

    chris

    September 19, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Astrophotography, now I understand. Was wondering if you were one of those haxxors undermining democracy.//

    Wishing you dark skies.

  245. 245.

    trollhattan

    September 19, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @Yutsano:
    In that order? Good to hear, regardless.

  246. 246.

    SgrAstar

    September 19, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @trollhattan: Westlands=a bunch of crooks. I understand that almonds bring in $10m an acre. Yep…and guess who is subsidizing that water infrastructure? GRRR.

  247. 247.

    Ajabu

    September 19, 2017 at 10:15 pm

    @Tenar Arha:
    I’m OK. I’m currently in Atlanta. But, most of the people I care about are in the Caribbean – the USVI – particularly St. Croix.
    Keep your fingers crossed.

  248. 248.

    jl

    September 19, 2017 at 10:33 pm

    @trollhattan: In the past, these mega rich welfare loafers running the Westlands haven’t paid their assessments for the very cheap water they get now. I wonder if they have ever been current on them. Not the last I read about it. I’m not surprised that they would veto any project, as long as they think they can lift some water off some poor dupe for cheaper and any sketchy means necessary.

  249. 249.

    jl

    September 19, 2017 at 10:43 pm

    @SgrAstar: ” almonds bring in $10m an acre ”

    Woah… you sure? I think about $3K capital costs, including land, and $2K annual growing costs per acre, gross crop revenue $3K to $5K an acre in an average year. So you clear $1K to $3K per acre per year. Capital costs would not include farm machinery.and general farm overhead.
    Almonds, tomatoes and grain can be biggest acreage depending on particular year. I don’t think almonds more than 15 percent a acreage overall. Westlands grows about anything you want to grow in California.

  250. 250.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2017 at 11:29 pm

    @jl: Lots of people use “M” for thousands. I guess it’s the Roman numeral legacy. Maybe SA is using that here?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  251. 251.

    jl

    September 20, 2017 at 12:32 am

    @Another Scott: I didn’t know that. I thought K was the way to go. But even $10,000 per acre gross would be amazing. Twice what would be considered a very good yield sold at a high price. My family put in crops like peaches and almonds for years, back when family farms did it. So I know the typical range of numbers. Numbers I gave were from around five, six years ago.

  252. 252.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 20, 2017 at 9:50 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Why 3 operating systems?

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